No Cops Allowed
At least that's the message we're getting at the Valadez Trial:
- At today's Trial which sarted at 11am in room 606. There was a Cook County Sgt telling everyone they had to cover up and could not show their blue shirts because the judge ordered it. There were many who despite what she had to say entered the court room and sat with blue shirts showing anyway..Ans the ones who had covered up, immediately took off their covers to show their Blues. Good for you guys!!
We're pretty sure officers are still citizens, afforded the Rights enshrined in the Constitution to observe legal proceedings in an open and free judicial system. But we suppose that dozens of gang bangers hanging out in the courtroom and intimidating jurors is more acceptable to Cook County judges as was evidenced last month where the result at a sparsely attended trial ended up acquitting a scumbag of attempting to murder two Chicago Police Officers - a trial marked by dozens of gang bangers sitting in the audience.
Judges have quite a bit of leeway in running their courtrooms, setting the rules of decorum and such, but we're pretty sure they don't get to pick their audience.
Judges have quite a bit of leeway in running their courtrooms, setting the rules of decorum and such, but we're pretty sure they don't get to pick their audience.
Labels: officer down
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
117 Comments:
OT- Why couldn't the FOP make it on WTTW Chicago Tonight Show????
The host said they asked the FOP and they told WTTW no one was available. The show was about shutting down police stations and the police department cuts. The FOP needs to step up and be a voice whenever possible. That's why they get paid the big bucks. That's why we pay our dues. Not a good move for our FOP. Instead they had a couple aldermen and a retired cop that is a professor at Northwestren. They all didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Bull Shit on the FOP's part.
vote no for all judges during election time
I betcha that the judge can order that the spectators have to dress or cannot dress in certain fashions
I understand the feelings here But Id be careful defying a judge in open court
"We're pretty sure officers are still citizens..."
Uh, no. We're not. Look at the way we're treated by the city.
Only 8 more years of living in this shit-hole city/county/state!
I can kind of see the point. Why risk giving the defense any grounds of appeal when the defense claims it was a predjudiced jury due to all the police in the audience. I dont agree. But makes a little sense.
Can someone please update the trial proceedings regularly? I would love to attend the closing arguements on my own time in full uniform if anybody knows when that might be? Also, I attended a couple days and hope everybody noticed the gentleman that has attended every day, Thomas Wortham IV's father has been there every day. GOD bless you sir, you truely are a class act...
Just to comment on the cabdrivers getting off from tickets. The cabbies all use the same attorney. And he is very successful at pleading them out to lessor charges or just getting the tickets dismissed (for no apparent reason). Even with the cops in court. If you remember the scene from Goodfellas when Henry gets pinched and his attorney smiles at the judge. Well thats exactly how this attorney is treated at traffic court. And when you question the state they just say sorry thats what the judge wanted to do. Very shady.
Alot of these judges are fucking nuts. They give probation to people with 50 arrests , and they give time to first time offenders. Thats why I never vote to keep a judge in.
What is the judge a "gang banger" also! WTF! Many of these so called corrupt judges are nothing more than punks in "crook county!"
remember her name, put an effort out , election time. VOTE NO.. pass the word.judge , YOU are out of order, impartiale?
Judge Alonso is a pretty fair judge from my experience in his courtroom. He's a former public defender who defended most of the garbage he was assigned knowing full well what they were.
More often than not he's pro police.
I don't know--they've banned pins that have pictures of victims--I would think it IS possible for a judge to ban uniforms...anybody know for sure?
Kudos to those who refused to cover up.
And what is Anita's response?
Remember that the only thing lower then whale shit in Rahm's corporate Chicago is you...the police officer.
Confirm, verify and identify the Judge for the next election.
SCC, who is the judge in this case? It would be nice to keep a running list of the cop hating judges that the supporters of CPD can use while voting. Keeping the names of these judges out there for all to see and a brief description of the reasons they are on the list just might be enough pressure to get these judges to change their ways.
I find it repulsive that the Cook County Sheriff's would order sworn Chicago Police officers to cover their uniforms while in attendance at a trial. I don't see how it is legal or enforceable. I understand, as you suggest SCC, that judges have considerable lattitude in controling their courtrooms. But, provided that members of the audience are not creating a disturbance or otherwise intimidating others in the courtroom, how can they regulate or determine how people dress - especially other members of the Executive Branch of Government. As you also point out - there was no hasseling of the gangbangers at the aforementioned trial in which those scumbags were acquitted. So why restrict the actions of law abiding coppers exercising their Constitutional Rights?
Why would this surprise anyone who knows Cook county? The lawyers and judges have turned the court system here into a circus. There is no justice in cook county.
If the feds had taken away every crooked judge and lawyer during Operation Greylord it would have completely shut down the court system.
Now do you understand? It's a fixed game and you have no chance unless you're a thug.
Who is the judge? And has the fop benn made aware?
The officers denied entry based on their blue shirts should sue.
I guess the judge doesn't want to face the pressure when she tries to let the killer off, scott free.
Judges dont seem to mind when the courtoom is full of piece of shit gangsters. What the fuck?
So gang bangers can come in the court room with their colors. But us police officers who follow the law, earn a paycheck and work can't? Who the fuck is this judge? To the officers who are showing up with your uniform good for you! What is this judge going to do.
In traffic court the first two rows are for us. For police officers. But regular citizens sit there too. If we as the police tell them about this rule, they don't care. The thus especially will say "man you can't make me move".
Judge Alonzo is spineless! He's So scared the appellate court is going to overturn him he allows everything the defense wants into a trial. If you sat in the courtroom on day 2 you heard the state object 20 different times and Each time the overruled the objection.
As any detective that has had a murder case in his court. The good news is it'll be a guilty at the end of the day, but this guy gives into anything the defense asks for...
Off Topic... The Supe started yesterday's Compstat meeting with a knowing smirk, asking those in attendance if they had heard "any rumors". After a minute or so of nervous laughter by the suckass bosses, McInfidelity says "it'll take more than that to get rid of me"...or something to that affect.
No justice, no peace!!
Anonymous said...
OT: Why did McCarthy feel the need to address his personal life at the Comcast meeting today?
I prefer wow or direct tv... comcast is getting way too expensive.
For those of us who weren't there, what exactly did he say?
This is "Crook County, Il" home of the best judges money can buy !
It is Judges rulings like this idiot that proves that Judges and Anita Alverez are on the side of the gang members!
Another bozo judge is that goof in Br 29, giving continuances to scumbag offenders, while victims feel like the are being robbed again in court!
Da Pelon
post judges name , my family and friends always ask for names of bad judges
Im calling bullshit. The judge is pretty level headed, and I dont think he'd say some shit like that...
But then again, this IS cook co.
Judges have quite a bit of leeway in running their courtrooms, setting the rules of decorum and such, but we're pretty sure they don't get to pick their audience.
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Among other things, they can set the dress code though. The judge did not ban cops from the room, just uniforms.
I don't know how it is in Chicago, but many court rooms no longer have uniformed bailiffs. Some have no bailiffs at all.
It is not unusual for judges not to allow a defendant's shackles be visible to the jury, thinking it is prejudicial (which it probably is).
Another common thing is not to allow the defendant to appear in prison garb.
It is best not to do anything that a higher court might deem prejudicial. You don't want this guy having a re-trial because there were a bunch of cops in the room "intimidating" the witnesses.
WTF
Who is the judge? Time to hit the eject button on this toad.
This just right out pisses me off, it only makes me work harder and search/hunt harder for these piece of shit gang banging assholes. This whole country has been all F__K'd up by these stupid ass liberals.
Did the judge also require that the gang bangers cover up their colors?
Off-Topic: Doty watch
Lots of rumors about how the UCPD is going to change its operations shortly. The current rumor is that our patrol boundaries are going to be moved even further west, all the way to King Drive, and soon. Our north patrol boundary is going to be moved further north also. Why they wish to do this with our reduced patrol strength
as it stands now is anyone's guess. We've lost a lot of personnel over the past two years under
the reign of Doty, many of them were our best.
Now we are hearing rumors that our Sgts. are
about to get a big increase in pay (not really
a surprise, as it seems the UCPD has a very
hard time keeping supervisors before Doty can
find a reason to fire them), and that all of the
police officers here are going to get better
pension benefits "after all the old timers are
gone." Imagine that. So we assume that is
the reason why Doty has sent all the experienced
supervisors packing. Run them off, and then
offer the remaining people here an increased
benefits package. As underhanded as some of
the things Doty has done here, even we didn't
see this coming. What a way to treat the people
who have been here all their adult lives, given
so much to this Dept. Even for Lynch and Doty,
it's just a new low. Bring in new benefits that
the leaders won't even be around to benefit
from. We're all waiting for Lynch and Doty's
new book to be published too...hear it's got
a catchy title: "How to Dismantle and Destroy
a Functional Police Dept.-For Dummies." All
it would need to become a best seller is a
forward by Jody P. Weis.
I was at court on Monday, just prior to the jury selections starting. I was told at that time officers would be required to cover their police shirts. At first I was upset, but then it was explained to me that the judge ordered this because there was worry that if the verdict is "guilty" the defense would claim a mistrial due to jury intimidation. It actually made sense to me. We, as officers, do have our rights, but we don't want to give this crackpot ex-cop lawyer any ammunition to win an acquital or a mistrial for that matter. My suggestion would be this, if you are in the hallway where all the thugs and villians are, show your blue and have your weapon exposed. When you enter the courtroom, put on an over shirt but leave it open and unbottoned, exposing the blue or white shirt front. They will still know who we are, while respecting the orders of the judge. Kind of a compromise, for the sake of Alex, his family and justice.
Just my thoughts.
Billy Schield
Mr Wortham and his daughter. Honestly, I thought id see more bosses n fop reps. I know leo was there one day late in the afternoon dressed in uniform.
Judge Jorge Alonso is solid. I doubt he is even aware of what the courtroom deputies are doing this.
By the way, I have been in the courtroom for 2 days and have not seen a deputy do this. Officers were in blue and everything seemed fine.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT- Why couldn't the FOP make it on WTTW Chicago Tonight Show????
The host said they asked the FOP and they told WTTW no one was available. The show was about shutting down police stations and the police department cuts. The FOP needs to step up and be a voice whenever possible. That's why they get paid the big bucks. That's why we pay our dues. Not a good move for our FOP. Instead they had a couple aldermen and a retired cop that is a professor at Northwestren. They all didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Bull Shit on the FOP's part.
9/23/2011 12:19:00 AM
Bottom line fop president is "scared like." Watch him do any interview he does not look into camera but away like a scared little boy. This is the same guy like the rest of the fop "leaders" LOL! who never respond to emails! Why not save bucks and shut down the email we pay for them? Why doers shields need to be driving around in a new Lincoln that fop (us) bought for him? Why not drive a small Chevy Cruze?
The State will probably rest at end of day on Monday. Defense will call their witnesses starting Tuesday. Will update here when closing arguments start.
To all the people that keep calling the judge a she wake your ass up and spend an hour or two in the court room before commenting. Judge alonso is a man. also I was wondering who that older black man was sitting up by alex's family. If indeed that that is po wothams father you sir are a class act, and don't worry will be there for you as well.
Remember ladies and gentlemen the courthouse is run by a Chief Judge, a lot of times the trial judge has already been given his or her orders on how to handle the proceedings form this person. Judge Alonso is a stand up guy, former P.D. yes, but a very fair and equal guy. Trust me when I tell you he will do the right thing. And also, the court house is public, but the county-Sheriff's Dept- has the right to require that anyone entering a courtroom has to follow the decorum or edicts set by the pre-trial motions. Wear your covers, be present, show your support... From a Deputy Sheriff, with numerous friends and family on CPD, stay safe and godspeed to you to make it home from every tour-of-duty.
The judge never verbally ordered it to any one in open court and the judge seemed fair. the Cook County Female Sgt said that the Judge ordered police to wear covers. She was the one telling police that they had to wear covers. wether the judge ordered the court officials to enforce or not, we will never know.
OT- Why couldn't the FOP make it on WTTW Chicago Tonight Show????
The host said they asked the FOP and they told WTTW no one was available. The show was about shutting down police stations and the police department cuts. The FOP needs to step up and be a voice whenever possible. That's why they get paid the big bucks. That's why we pay our dues. Not a good move for our FOP. Instead they had a couple aldermen and a retired cop that is a professor at Northwestren. They all didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Bull Shit on the FOP's part.
9/23/2011 12:19:00 AM
When the Mayor decides to come WTTW Chicago Tonight to discuss police issues, so will the FOP.
29 and a day said...
I betcha that the judge can order that the spectators have to dress or cannot dress in certain fashions
I understand the feelings here But Id be careful defying a judge in open court
9/23/2011 12:50:00 AM
I seem to recall that a cop killer won a new trial because, in part, of all the uniformed officers in court. Defense claimed that prejudiced their shitbag murderous client.
Gaston's family showed up at 1100 hours, smelling like shit, and were pissed that they couldn't get a seat.
Hey "judge" Alonso. It's pretty clear who the officers were in the court room and why they were there.
Did anyone ask the scumbags that were there for Gaston how they were family and afforded reserved seating.
I live on the block and he had sex with half my family should not qualify you as a family member.
I sat in there for the morning session yesterday in full uniform as did many others. So either a lot of people didn't hear this order or choose not to follow. If the POS defendant's people can wear their best hoodies, I can wear my uniform. Miss you Alex.
As long as the officers weren't causing a disturbance in the courtroom (yelling, and the like) then anyone can dress in any way to attend a court proceeding. If people can wear t-shirts that request specific individuals be freed on charges or the like, then why can't uniformed LEO's wear their uniforms. If I were a uniformed LEO, I would have complied with the request of the Cook County LEO (he was only following orders - which he probably didn't agree with anyway), and as soon as court proceedings started I would have removed the cover-up and displayed my uniform. If the judge has an issue, then they can explain in open court what that issue is. And not hide behind the bench and make a sweeping decision without explaining the reasoning behind it.
I'm surprised the city would let you wear the uniform off duty. Very big no-no in departments where I have worked.
The judge is the ultimate power in the courtroom, end of story.
this is liberal fucking CRook County run by the biggest crooks ever known to man. Not surprising
I know for a fact that the judge ordered her to tell us to cover-up. She told me that i had to wear my cover if i had one so next time dont bring it in with you, have a coat check at the door. He doesnt want a chance of a mistrial. Its not the Sheriff's, they have actually been great to me and the guys ive came with since tuesday. Thank you Sheriffs.
"A lot of these judges are fucking nuts. They give probation to people with 50 arrests , and they give time to first-time offenders. That's why I never vote to keep a judge in."
--9/23/2011 02:38:00 AM
Amen.
You can often look up there and see that you're dealing with someone who has a severe, inborn animus. It seems to be sheer contrariness more than anything else.
Who was the famous old British slaughterer? "Bloody Jeffries, The Hanging Chancellor." Guy was in agony from gallstones, so anaesthetized himself on the bench "with great draughts of brandy" -- which, needless to say, did not help matters.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
A lot of pharmacists seem to have the same problem. They'll be intensely suspicious and obstructive of a quiet, older person trying to fill one prescription -- maybe it's the heating pad you buy at the same time that sets them off, huh? -- but welcoming and endlessly accomodating to what some states call a "MICA," Mentally Ill Chemical Abuser -- an obvious wild-ass, barefoot, whiskey-stinking street crazy with a scalp full of surgical staples and her hair caked with dried blood, who trots away with literally a dozen paper sacks rattling with free narcotics, antidepressants, antipsychotics, you name it -- all to be idly sampled as the mood dictates, or sold or traded on the street for crack.
"Arbitrary and capricious" is the phrase that fits. It sure doesn't make a bit of sense.
Like the senile old Wackenhut guard down at the Social Security office shouting and demanding that I literally toe the yellow line on the carpeting -- when I was the only person waiting in the office at the time -- many people handle the slightest bit of power over others very badly indeed.
I remember when a CHGO Firefighter was shot on duty in 005 in the early 90's and the gangbanger was charged w/ agg Batt. The courtroom was filled with CFD in dress blues the whole trial and asswipe got 60yrs- Judge Karnezis. It pays to be in uniform!
Anonymous said...
OT- Why couldn't the FOP make it on WTTW Chicago Tonight Show????
The host said they asked the FOP and they told WTTW no one was available. The show was about shutting down police stations and the police department cuts. The FOP needs to step up and be a voice whenever possible. That's why they get paid the big bucks. That's why we pay our dues. Not a good move for our FOP. Instead they had a couple aldermen and a retired cop that is a professor at Northwestren. They all didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Bull Shit on the FOP's part.
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Mike Shields is a horrible public speaker and has no balls. Like you said, we pay a lot in dues. They should have sent Camden.
1219am, with all due respect to the FOP, I have seen shields on the news more in 5 months than i saw any of his predecessors in their entire time as president
Anonymous said...
OT- Why couldn't the FOP make it on WTTW Chicago Tonight Show????
The host said they asked the FOP and they told WTTW no one was available. The show was about shutting down police stations and the police department cuts. The FOP needs to step up and be a voice whenever possible. That's why they get paid the big bucks. That's why we pay our dues. Not a good move for our FOP. Instead they had a couple aldermen and a retired cop that is a professor at Northwestren. They all didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Bull Shit on the FOP's par
9/23/2011 12:19:00 AM
I agree! Why type of new Leadership did I elect?
My take on the up coming contract talks is if We, as CPD officers do not lose anything we have in our current contract is a win for us. It is a sad outlook but it is the truth. If the new FOP leadership does not give anything up then it is a win. In my honest opinion I think we are doomed. Shields is going to get punished by our new Mayor.
OT:
Check out www.41stwardcitizens.blogspot.com and look at public safety post.
I betcha that the judge can order that the spectators have to dress or cannot dress in certain fashions
I understand the feelings here But Id be careful defying a judge in open court
9/23/2011 12:50:00 AM
Yeah like when dude walks into court in a tank top and shorts. Judges are weak ass. They are afraid of these mutts playing the race card on them.
Anonymous said...
I guess the judge doesn't want to face the pressure when she tries to let the killer off, scott free.
9/23/2011 06:51:00 AM
Not SCOTT free.....He will have to pay the bribe
""What is the judge a "gang banger" also! WTF! Many of these so called corrupt judges are nothing more than punks in "crook county!"
9/23/2011 03:58:00 AM
Anonymous said...
remember her name, put an effort out , election time. VOTE NO.. pass the word.judge , YOU are out of order, impartiale?""
Did anyone hear actually HEAR THE JUDGE order this? Judge Alonso is a fair judge who I have gone to for search warrants and COHs on many occasions. He is not anti-police, and I doubt he would arbitrarily make such a ruling. If he did, the explanation is likely to avoid a future defense appeal issue claiming the jury was intimidated into a guilty verdict by such an obvious police presence.
As a law-abiding ex-soldier, I'm more afraid of cops in my neighbourhood than of criminals - which is bloody messed up. It feels as if political pressure is pushing cops towards treating Criminals with kid gloves, while coming down hard against the honest Citizen.
Two hypothetical scenarios, to demonstrate where the administrative and political pressure lies:
1. Cop arrests a drug dealer who just stabbed a guy - did he read him his miranda rights? Were the handcuffs put on too tight? Does this cop have a history of targetting ethnics for arrests (regardless of the fact that most drug dealers have an excess of melanin)? Better let this scum bag out on bail, for the sake of 'fairness'.
2. A Citizen with a CCW flushes a pair of human turds down the toilet, who were threatening him and his girlfriend late one Friday night - we'd better throw the book at this guy! Seize his weapons, don't let him out on bail, might even want to investigate him for domestic violence, since he's clearly a violent psychopath.
We've twisted things up so that the good guys are labelled as evil racists, and the bad guys are victims of circumstance.
Cops have a lot more common sense, I think, than they're allowed to excercise - we all suffer under the weight of Policies and Procedures written anonymously by egghead academians, who've never thrown a punch in their life.
Who is the judge? And has the fop benn made aware?
9/23/2011 06:29:00 AM
Anonymous said...
The officers denied entry based on their blue shirts should sue.
9/23/2011 06:44:00 AM
Anonymous said...
I guess the judge doesn't want to face the pressure when she tries to let the killer off, scott free.
9/23/2011 06:51:00 AM ""
Obviously you goofs have never been in a felony courtroom.
Go away and shut up. You three have no clue what you are talking about. The purpose of such an order is to protect a conviction by not giving the defense the opportunity to claim the jury was unduly influenced into a conviction by an overwhelming police presence in the gallery.
I WAS WATCHN THAT CHICAGO TONIGHT ABOUT THE CLOSING OF POLICE STATION AND ALSO WONDERED WHY NOBODY SHOWED UP FROM THE FOP.
I THOUGH IT SAD THAT ARE BOARD LOVES RECEIVING OVER A 120K A YEAR BUT WHEN PUSH COME TO SHOVE THEY WANT TO ACT LIKE PATROLMAN AND MAKE NO COMMENT.
PLUS WE HAVE A SPOKESPERSON IS HE TO BUSY TOO?
WE HAVE TO VICE PRESIDENTS AND NOTHING!
I FEAR FOR R FUTURE BECAUSE IF THE FOP BOARD CANT HANDLE 10 MINUTE INTERVIEWS WITH SOFTBALL REPORTER WHAT WILL THEY DO AGAINST
THE FORCE OF THE RAHM-ULINS...
TIP OF THE DAY:
MR. MIKE SHIELDS DONT SOUND ANGRY EVERY TIME U SPEAK IT KILLS THE AFFECT.(INTERROGATION 101).
detnick36 said...
I find it repulsive that the Cook County Sheriff's would order sworn Chicago Police officers to cover their uniforms while in attendance at a trial.
Why? He is not the police. He is a clout hack. It was either that or a garbage man. His is an imposter.
Supt. McCarthy sitting in on the trial this morning. Lots of blue shirts in the audience.
No deputies by the door. I think the issue about the deputies was bulls**t.
"We're pretty sure officers are still citizens..."
Really? Tell me what other citizens can be held accountable w/ their employer for having an argument with their neighbor& can be forced to take a breathalyzer based on mere allegations?
Citizens? 2nd class ones that is.
No issues today as far as us covering up our uniforms. And McCarthy attended for a couple hours too.
"The officers denied entry based on their blue shirts should sue.
9/23/2011 06:44:00 AM"
Yeah hire one of them scum bag lawyers.Hear that knock on the door? That's Loevy& Loevy just itching to represent you. Get a grip on reality Goof!
I'm sure the sergeant wasn't kelping CPD out, i bet he was just trying to WARN coppers before entering. I'm going to guess that he was told to keep CPD out, but just told everyone to cover up to get in.
Stop jumping his shit, he's the police too, probably just looking out for all of us.
If one of the piece of shit bangers started to act up or attack him, he'd sure want uniforms in his courtroom then!
Remember him and work to vote him out! It may be like emptying the lakefron with a thimble, but let's hold onto the little power we still have -- the ballot!
I believe he is an Associate Judge, not an elected judge. If your not aware of the process, Cook County Judges are elected by the voters, associate judges are elected by their peers with no expiration on their term. The only way to remove an associate judge is by having his peers vote to have him removed. Associate judges make a little less each year in salary but don't need to run for office. It wouldn't surprise me that the chief judge would make sure all big cases get assigned to associate judges, this way their decisions won't having any affect on getting elected again. It's sad!
Judges think thy sit at the right hand of God. They are just lawyers wearing black robes.
There are more shitbag gangbangers in Crook County than Police Officers ,so the Judges pander to the people who elect them. You should never vote to retain a Judge unless you have seen them operate in a Court of Law and are satisfied with their
knowledge and and their acumen as to how they control their Courtrooms.
Billy Sheild: Why would that CAUSE A RETRIAL, BUT GANGBANGERS intimidatig witness's and Jurors would not?
In the future, as the price comes down, UAVs may be the way to go to have eyes on from above.
Equip them with a parachute system in the event of a malfunction and loss of control, and you're good to go.
"Anonymous said...
OT: Why did McCarthy feel the need to address his personal life at the Comcast meeting today?"
Why does he meet with Comcast?
"I was at court on Monday, just prior to the jury selections starting. I was told at that time officers would be required to cover their police shirts. At first I was upset, but then . . . Kind of a compromise, for the sake of Alex, his family and justice.
Just my thoughts.
Billy Schield"
You are correct.
Well said, sir.
I seem to recall that a cop killer won a new trial because, in part, of all the uniformed officers in court. Defense claimed that prejudiced their shitbag murderous client.
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Defense might have been right. It certainly sounds plausible.
Better off not to take any chances.
"as was evidenced last month where the result at a sparsely attended trial ended up acquitting a scumbag of attempting to murder two Chicago Police Officers - a trial marked by dozens of gang bangers sitting in the audience.""
I attended a couple days of the previous Att. Murder trial in Judge Howard--the NG. There were not "dozens of Gangbangers" on either day. There were 4 or 5 people who appeared to be there for the defendant, and when I was there, 7 or 8 Police and ASAs. I guess the story gets more comments when the numbers are exaggerated.
If you're asked to put on a cover garment, just do it. Everyone in the courtroom knows you are the police with a cover garment on or not. The judge can decide anything he wants in his courtroom. It's the closest thing to a dictator we have in the US.
If the judge looked out his window & saw all those thugs in his backyard....I'd bet he'd want all those Blueshirts showing up in his backyard!!!
No issues today as far as us covering up our uniforms. And McCarthy attended for a couple hours too.
9/23/2011 02:43:00 PM
Wow. And he sat among the police peasants?
Billy Sheild: Why would that CAUSE A RETRIAL, BUT GANGBANGERS intimidatig witness's and Jurors would not?
9/23/2011 04:06:00 PM
Because the libtards care more about gangbangers than they do about police. Sheesh. Try to keep up.
OT- Why couldn't the FOP make it on WTTW Chicago Tonight Show????
The host said they asked the FOP and they told WTTW no one was available...
Because for several decades they all have been owned by da mayor! They have cherries for balls. The FOP would never do anyting to upset the mayor be it mummbly fucks or Rahmbo.
Leave that city authorized costume at home.
Just wear shorts with ankle rigs, an M4 AND A BAYONET?
A "git- er-done" custom blue shirt ( no patches ) would be nice with sap gloves.
IN the old days hardly anyone wore their uniform to a trial like this. Usually only guys who couldn't change for whatever reason. No reason to give anyone your name and badge number.
If you don't understand this, you lack imagination. The mass of blue shirts is more understandable in the days of cameras and mobile phones I guess though.
How many trials have weve scene where the assholes are representing in some way....
Of course, no mention in the press...
Anonymous said...
"Anonymous said...
OT: Why did McCarthy feel the need to address his personal life at the Comcast meeting today?"
Why does he meet with Comcast?
9/23/2011 04:10:00 PM
I pay my Comcast bill electronically, leave me alone.
OT in regards PO Kevin Robinson's accidental early death RIP.
By now all that Department should have done it is done.Children are receiving pension,benefits And medical.It would be nice for the children if it would be classified In performance of duty.....Ex wife can shop for a lawyer.
In the meantime Memorial Fumdation issued a check to the family immediately after funeral /in thousands/ and it was delivered in person.Foundation also pays all or substantial education bills.You just have to provide a necessary bills, paperwork and or prove hardship.
Officer was so well liked.....10 -1 Benefit for his children would be very appropriate .There ate many layers in the ranks....get organized,set up a trust funds for them.Take time....it can be done.
Brothers and Sisters in Blue always raise to the occasion. Spread the word to every district, ,every blog, SCc with their links,Facebook.........nothing beats face to face contact with a friend you used to work.etc....Adopt the kids by Monroe district.....every Christmas,Toy Drive pick up collection and make a deposit
Little bit is more than nothing.You will honor memory of their father too.
EXwife or better trusted father's relative will have power of attorney.
GOOD LUCK MONROE! !
FYI, if a sheriffs deputy is given a order by a judge on the bench the deputy must follow the order or be held in contempt of court and Face possible discipline from their department. Bill schield is 100 % correct. It's not about you and it's not about the police department, it's about justice for Alex! I am a 16 year vet of CPD and I have to say it sickens me to see how officers act now a days. There is some sense of entitlement. For example officers getting angry when they don't get their police discount or something free, parking illegally in their personal car, disobeying traffic laws off duty. Officers that pull over motorists and yell at them and then let them go. The officer says it's about respect, do you really think that they respect you now that you yelled at them, write them or don't pull them over. Talking to all citizens in a disrespectful manner for no reason.
When we stop thinking we are better than anyone else and start being more humble and professional the more respect we will get. You can't expect to be held in a higher regard but then cry foul when you mess up and the court gives you a stiffer penalty because you are a police officer.
So the next time you are given a police discount be grateful - don't demand it because nobody owes us anything, not even respect! Remember respect is earned not assumed. Treat every citizen as if your dealing with God until the situation dictates otherwise. I don't know maybe I'm wrong and you will probably criticize my spelling and grammar ,but I know this department and it's officers are alot different than when I first came on. No I'm not a suck ass or a clout hack or a house mouse. I would like to think that I would be labeled by my peers as being the working police during my career. I've even been screwed by the department(callback). I think it's important that officers who have time on and know better to start speaking up before it's to late. I would say if you disagree with me I would say you have a personality flaw of insecurity and it's only a matter of time before you get caught on camera doing something wrong. Remember there is nothing wrong with being proud to be a police officer but there is something wrong when you expect stuff because you are a police officer! Any way thats my 2 cents, everyone look out for each other and be safe. Officer Greg Insley
P.S. If you are gonna leave a smart ass comment atleast have the guts to say it to my face or sign your name to your post!
FYI, if a sheriffs deputy is given a order by a judge on the bench the deputy must follow the order or be held in contempt of court and Face possible discipline from their department. Bill schield is 100 % correct. It's not about you and it's not about the police department, it's about justice for Alex! I am a 16 year vet of CPD and I have to say it sickens me to see how officers act now a days. There is some sense of entitlement. For example officers getting angry when they don't get their police discount or something free, parking
Tough guy why didn't you leave your name?
I am a 16 year vet of CPD and I have to say it sickens me to see how officers act now a days.
I am also a 16 year veteran, have worked in several districts and a unit. I have to say that your comments were spot on. I have trained many officers and have always advocated the things you talk about, the golden rule is still the foundation of civilized society... I am never "entitled" to a discount, free passes or a break when stopped for a traffic violation either by CPD or other municipalities... but I am humbled and appreciate it when those courtesies are extended to me...
God Speed officers,
F.R.
Anonymous said...
Billy Sheild: Why would that CAUSE A RETRIAL, BUT GANGBANGERS intimidatig witness's and Jurors would not?
9/23/2011 04:06:00 PM
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I am not Billy Schield, b t allow me to provide an answer. If the defendant is acquitted there is no provision for an appeal by the State since he has already been tried and acquitted. To try him again would be double jeopardy. So unless the intimidation is bad enough for the judge to declare a mis-trial before a verdict, it is a done deal.
I have been in attendance everyday in my blue shirt nothing was said to me about covering it up. Mr. Wortham (older black gentleman) has been in court everyday all day. Thank you Sir!
1119am, hey dumbass many are ON DUTY. If we go to court we r getting paid, just because we stop in to watch some of the court proceedings doesnt mean were missing OUR court date in another room possibly. Worry about YOUR department and we'll handle ours
Really? Tell me what other citizens can be held accountable w/ their employer for having an argument with their neighbor& can be forced to take a breathalyzer based on mere allegations?
Citizens? 2nd class ones that is.
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Not a cop.
Perhaps because of the claim that cops are on duty 24/7 regardless of whether they are wearing a uniform or not.
It is pretty hard to make the 24/7 argument without accepting the idea that the employer's rules need to also be followed 24/7.
How would you feel if the department said you were on your own if you were involved in an "off duty" shooting?
Some things just are the way they are.
Court resumes Monday at 11:00 in room 400...(previously room 606)
Amen Greg. Well put
"Gaston's family showed up at 1100 hours, smelling like shit, and were pissed that they couldn't get a seat."
--9/23/2011 10:51:00 AM
That's funny. Did they have those horrible leather coats they sell from vacant lots on Stony along with the huge tiger-stripe rugs -- those jackets seemingly made from diseased goats and the leather was only half-cured in some mud puddle and is actually slowly decomposing? Front of the jacket covered with giant photo buttons, of course.
9/24/2011 02:10:00 AM
Good for you Greg. I agree 100% with your post. Like it or not we ARE held to a higher standard. Something you didnt mention that drives me nuts is I see P.O.'s on this job that look like thugs, or something out of Sons of Anarchy. If you want to look or act like an outlaw biker or a gangbanger, then quit and adopt that lifestyle. You do not look cool or tough, you look like a Police Officer that is a wannabee biker or thug. Pick a side people.. you either are or your not!
Where the fuck u work????????? you must not be one of us u libtard asshole
detnick36 said...
I find it repulsive that the Cook County Sheriff's would order sworn Chicago Police officers to cover their uniforms while in attendance at a trial.
Why? He is not the police. He is a clout hack. It was either that or a garbage man. His is an imposter.
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Another comment that shows ignorance. I got news for you..CPD is not the only Police dept in the world..as if all others were beneath you. Be proud to be on this job, but dont for a second think you are better than any other LE agency. That clout hack imposter may just one day be driving off duty and see you in trouble. And one last note..there are ALOT of clout hack imposters who should not be wearing the uniform on THIS job as well.
Detectives taking the stand late Monday early Tuesday.
Hey stupid ass that says the sheriff isnt the police ur a fuckn idiot the sheriff saves our asses alot. They have assholes just like us ( cpd ). I am Cpd but by no means would i ever disrespect another LE dept because they will be there off duty driving by and they will help as well as CPD will do for them.. I apoligize that some idiot would say some dumb shit like that on behalf of every other CPD member we appreciate u just like u appreciate us.
Tough guy why didn't you leave your name?
9/24/2011 04:35:00 AM
I believe I did, but since you can't read I'll do it again! Officer Greg Insley
Why not call the Sheriff's Chief of Court Services at 773-869-3082 and complain about the "gangsta-pants" or other obvious or not so obvious gang flags being waved in that court room.
Stay Safe and let justice be done.
SUGGESTION: How about the 10th District and the Gang Unit methodically check all the plates on all the cars parked in the garage and around the court building. Probably would come up with a few BFW, narco and child support warrants. You might even catch a lawyer.
That might thin the gangster herd.
The trial moves from room 606 to room 400 on Monday and will remain in 400 for the rest of the trial.
Why not call the Sheriff's Chief of Court Services at 773-869-3082 and complain about the "gangsta-pants" or other obvious or not so obvious gang flags being waved in that court room.
I find it repulsive that the Cook County Sheriff's would order sworn Chicago Police officers to cover their uniforms while in attendance at a trial
you are both full of shite! i am a Deputy and i have been working the trial since it started. The first day our SGT told officers to cover up, thats cause the Judge told her to say that. She didnt care if you actually did, but as long as she said it, she was doing what she was told. Judge Alonso is very pro-police and a stand up guy, he is worried about Carroll filing an appeal. If we wanted to enforce something we would. Doesnt matter who you are. Anyone standing in that courtroom has been told by myself to sit down, its just plain old respect for the court. I even told McCarthy to sit down, he said "sorry officer" and sat down. On Wednesday it was so packed that it was one out and one in. Gastons brother came up to the door with about 5 shitheads smelling like booze, I did not let them in. They are not wearing gang colors or flags or whatever the hell you said, You must not have been in that courtroom. Ive been watching them ever second of that trial. Do you really think we are on the side of this piece of shite Gaston or Carroll? You got to be kidding me. I have spoken to A CPD SGT and LT about the covers, after i explained it, they were in disbelief of the rumors spreading and said sorry if anyone was giving us a hard time, which no one was, everyone i have dealt with from CPD has been very respectful and kind so far in this trial. I would and have at anytime, anywhere and under any circumstance help out a CPD officer no matter what the situation, cause we are family. Its good guys vs bad guys. i hope you guys think the same. Be safe.
I had the honor to work with Officer Insley at 376...he was jammed by the department but was always a Class Act!!! I agree with him 100%.
First of all, SCC, thank you for all of your posts regarding the trial and for keeping everyone up to date. Secondly, I did hear from an officer that a Sgt informed him that he had to cover up before walking into the court room. That was the first I heard of it and I never heard it come directly from the judge and nobody from the states attorney's office that is working with my family ever mentioned anything like that to us. So I honestly do not know where it came from. After seeing the "tactics" of the defense attorney, I am just going to assume that the reason is so that in the future, this defense attorney doesn't play dirty and want a mistrial stating that the jury were "intimidated" by the officers (as ridiculous as that may sound to us). Even my family and I have to be careful while we are in there. Of course, nobody can tell us NOT to cry or have any emotion, but if we feel that we are going to break down, we are asked to leave the court room and that is also so that the defense doesn't say that we "tainted" the jury or distracted the jury, etc. At this time, we just want everthing to go smoothly and not give the defense any opportunity to declare a mistrial or use anything against us. I do feel horrible because I was the one that asked if all officers could please show up in their uniforms! I hope you now understand! And I don't believe that any officer was not allowed inside the court room. On the first day, once all the benches were taken up, people were allowed to stand against the wall. That was the only day people were allowed to stand. If an officer or any person is not allowed in it's because there are no seats available. As soon as somebody walks out, the next person waiting in the hallway is allowed to come into the court room. Sorry for any incovenience this may have caused but I am grateful for all who wait patiently in the hallway. Last but certaintly not least, I want to thank everyone who has been attending. I know that with work, school, children, etc it is difficult but thanks to the ones that show up, even if for a couple of minutes. Mr Wortham has attended every single day and he is there first thing in the morning and walks out in the evening with us! It truly means the world to us considering we know what this man has gone through! Mrs. Flisk and her daughter have also attended. Unfortunately, I cannot mention every single name as there have been so many people there from the Superintendent, FOP members and countless officers, but please know that we are so greatful for each and every one of you and your support. YOU truly give us the strenght to walk into that court room every day and be in the same room as the defendant! And for those who cannot attend, please do not worry about it, as all we ask for are prayers! THANK YOU!!
Brenda Valadez-
Please note that there has been a court room change. Beginning tomorrow we will be in court room 400. We were asked to be there at 1030 so I'd say it will start at 1100. If all goes as planned, the state will rest on Tuesday.
"...I would and have at anytime, anywhere and under any circumstance help out a CPD officer no matter what the situation, cause we are family. Its good guys vs bad guys. i hope you guys think the same. Be safe.
9/25/2011 10:07:00 AM"
OK Thanks, rumors are rumors and one said "gasta-pants" were being worn in court. If you stopped that we owe you a beer, one for each ass covered.
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