Here Come Some Feds
- About 20 additional agents from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are headed to Chicago, less than two weeks after President Donald Trump threatened to “send in the Feds,” sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.
David Coulson, a spokesman for the Chicago field office of the ATF, said: “We are always seeking to enhance the enforcement efforts of ATF … in conjunction with CPD.”
[...] Sources said about 20 agents will join the Chicago field office, which has a total staff of about 120 and covers the city, the suburbs and northwest Indiana.
There should be a serious federal effort to take gun crimes federal...you know, the way that Obama's Department of Justice completely neglected to do. Serious sentences will put a certain dent in crime, giving lie to the oft repeated refrain of, "We can't arrest our way out of this situation."
Bullshit. You arrest the right people and send em away, you'll sentence your way out of 800 dead this year for starters.
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Is it true, Rahm was heard to say that he was not consulted on which feds could come to town?
Let's hope that the deployment is more successful than the anti-straw purchaser campaign that became only a billboard on Metra and CTA stations 6 years ago - a barak strategy in answer to the fallout from Fast and Furious.
I call bs , I'll take a wager 20 atf agents won't do jack shit
The feds aren't subject to the "review " that we are . Hell , it's a felony to lie to them .
I tell people that I get lied to for a living .
These savages dont care if they get caught with a gun. If you give them real jail time, in a real prison, far away, not in crook county, they will think twice about carrying illegal guns. Call our bluff and see what happens. I hope they start locking up these guys and they do serious time!!!
Simple.
Felon with a gun? He or she has earned a ten year sentence to a Federal Prison.
How many thugs will he kill in Chicago for the next few years? ZERO! NIL! NADA! NONE!
And he is very likely to end his sentence alive and unperforated.
Lock them up! They are safer in prison!!!
And the Neighborhoods are safer too!!!
Project Exile.
Read up. It worked. Trump has tarlked about it.
But Donald Trump is the dummy?
He might save Chicago, despite the efforts of Rahm Emmanuel and the fifty Alderthieves.
If a federal agent is coming after you--- he is coming with a charge that will stick, and they have a one catch all one that tags and bags you--- conspiracy charge. That shit carries more time than the crime itself---ask blago
Charge anyone committing a crime furthered by firearm under State and Federal statutes that apply.
State: Lack of FOID, Possession of firearm w/o FOID, Possession of Ammo w/o FOID, Aggravated this or that with a firearm, possession of firearm by felon... Every time they shoot at someone different - make it a separate charge. Figure 10 years per charge and that's 50 years. No plea bargain, no parole, no early release, no home monitoring, no bond, no "time served", no day for day... no bullshit. Make all the sentences serve consecutively to each other.
Federal: Possession of firearm by felon, Lying on the 4473, Selling to a prohibited person, crossing State lines w/the firearm to sell to a prohibited person, Using interstate transport (Expressway) to commit felonious acts, whatever they can come up with. False ID, etc... 10 years each there too - same sentencing. Make it happen AFTER the State charges are completed - so there's another 30 years...
Put Pookie & Co. in jail for 80 years for what they call 'clownin' and make sure everyone in the Community knows about it. Put up billboards, and handbills all over with Pookie's Mug shot, Prison #, Sentence, and his location so his Crew can get in touch to say "Happy Birthday" for the next 80 years. Wanna bet even the most thick headed M'fer says "Hell, it ain't worth it... Might as well start selling black market untaxed loosie Sodas on the corner..."
Back in the day in the mid to late 90s when the fed had a gun task force in conjunction with the CPD, a lot of prosecutions were brought in federal court. CPD officers were detailed to work with the US Attorney's office to make gun cases. One of the USAs was Ginny Cowhey who was a tough federal prosecutor. If a defendant is convicted in federal court they must do 85% of their sentence before being eligible for parole. A lot of bad guys were sentenced under the federal statutes and some are still in the federal penitentiaries. Ginny Cowhey is now US District Court Judge Virginia Kendall. She is an excellent federal judge. Under Obama the US Attorney's office was not directed to team up with CPD to roll up the gun sellers and offenders. If that would start again, it would get guns off the street and put some sellers away for a long time.
Ah com'on let's not get Supa Dupa, kidney beans special, can't get right Eddie Johnson all worked up over this, he needs his rest...
Rahm only wants the federal money.
He wants to use it to coddle illegal aliens.
Don't get too excited! they're really only bringing in about six new people because the rest are replacing retirees, and they don't initiate any investigations on their own anyway ask anyone on their task force they just jump on our paper. their numbers have always been our numbers they just piggyback, and each tose that are coming to Chicago have been offered $20,000 extra.Ughhhhhh what for?
Here is a very simple way to "Enhance" the ATF/CPD relationship and reduce Gun Violence: PROSECUTE FELONS WITH FIREARMS FEDERALLY! Make them serve the Federal 80% of the sentence and house them as far away from Chicago as possible!It was tried here and elsewhere in the 90's and it worked. But never forget Two Components involved in anything related to Chicago or Cook County Government: RACE and POLITICS! Nobody from the Mayor, Superintendent of Police, Aldermen and or the State's Attorney is going to do anything without considering the Racial and Political Impact of that action. Preckwinkle is the heart of the Black Political Machine, and she feels that CPD and "Da System" is putting too many people of color in jail and prison. The Chief Judge is Black. Judges in this System have credibility issues with cops as do Prosecutors; so people who should be in the Ill. Dept. of Correction System serving their sentences, are on the street. Start sending them away for 80% of their sentences and there will be Less Shooters=Less Violence. Remember the old Crime Triangle: Victim, Location, Offender. If you removed any of those from the triangle; the circuit is broken! Locking shooters up for extended periods of time will reduce crime, but Politically and Race conscious Cook County judges are Reluctant to do that! Politics = Chicago Values! Do as Little as Possible, at some point it will have to change. Baby"G"
Implement Project Exile
Yep. If there were some actual jail time associated with some of these gun crimes they would go away. As it is now, it's a slap on the wrist and a walk. Thank you Crook County.
I honestly do not believe this will help. I think this shit hole of a city is beyond repair at this point. We are headed down the toilet and Tiny Dancer is the Tide Bowl Man leading the way. Of course when everything is said and done Tiny Dancer will take his multi millions and leave the sinking ship to live happily ever after.
ATF agents were always the easiest to work with.
Sending in the Feds to starting enforcing Federal gun laws is certainly a good idea, especially since Rahm talks a good game but Rahm and Kimmy and Toni don't deliver results.
And it is interesting to watch Donald Trump (who is not from Chicago), do more in 8 days than Barack Obama (who is from Chicago) do in 8 years. But I digress.
But how much difference will it really make? Oh, you might shave 20 basis points off the murder rate. And that would certainly be a good thing.
But the gun problem in Chicago is driven by gangs. And the lifeblood of the gangs is drug sales. You can throw as many people in jail as you want to, but when it comes to drug sales, there will always be newcomers eager to step in and fill that void. Ain't no shortage of laborers for that job. The profits are just too high, and too enticing.
And the sales of drugs is not just a highly paid entreprenurial activity, it is also a lifestyle. Complete with bling and a rap music sound track. It is so engrained in the culture, it can never be eliminated. N-e-v-e-r.
After decades of the War on Drugs, I don't know if it has gotten any worse but it certainly does not seem to have gotten any better.
The only way the problem will ever be solved is to put the gangs out of the drug business. And the only way to do that is to go nuclear. Legalize drugs.
Puts them out of business. Overnight.
A perfect solution? Probably not. The re-legalization of alcohol was certainly not without its drawbacks. But on balance, it was much better than continuing the policy of Prohibition.
And if legalizing drugs doesn't prove to be a net-net positive for society, we can always go back to the failed policies of Rahm Emanuel that haven't produced any results.
You may agree with me. You may not. But if you don't agree with me, what's your solution?
Call the next case. Not a cop.
Maybe just coincidence but there wasn't one major federal prosecution of any gangs from Chicago during Obamas 2 terms. Then at the end of his term he pardons one of the highest ranking GD's in the city. You would have figured he would have wanted to clean up where he came from. But maybe that would have pissed off who helped put you there in the first place.
When J-Fed was in charge a meeting was held with then US Attorney Fitzgerald to have the Feds prosecute gun and high level narcotic cases that CPD had initiated and were willing to bring Federal Agencies to work jointly. The response from "The US Attorney for Chicago" not interested.
Remember this next time you watch Senator Durbin screaming for tougher gun laws. There are 94 Federal Judicial Districts, the Northern District of Illinois which Chicago is part of ranked 93 in prosecuting gun cases under the Democratic President from Chicago
This is all smoke & mirrors. Similar to how we get detailed, the Feds can get sent or volunteer to go to Chicago or wherever with the reward bring that they get to leave and assigned to somewhere they're trying to get to. Spend 6 months or so there and then you can leave, no one will remember by then.
The feds have ZERO street experience. They cant stop cars or people on the street. Basically they will be a bunch of ride alongs.
Not enough. This city needs an invasion of Feds on all levels. Let's hope the pace picks up.
Heard that weasel mayor saw his shadow last week and predicted at least 6 more weeks of corruption and carnage!
Or.... we could just " throw more $$ and programs" at the problem? How s that working out? How do you help urban terrorists that have no desire to be reformed?
The cynical part of me thinks that the first big raid these ATF guys pull will be some white guy named Myron from Stickney who posted a picture of his .300 Blackout pistol with a carbine stock on Facebook.
A lot safer, taking down Myron, that mixing it with 20 hood mopes raiding a boxcar full of M-4's around 2 am in freakin' Chicago Riverdale.
Then again, the possibility that the head agent would now get a call from President Trump asking him exactly what he was hoping to accomplish busting poor Myron gives me...hope!
I want to say something regarding poster 2/5/17-330AM. You are so right regarding the Federal Gun Task Force with Officers from the CPD. There are two issue that always stood out in these Federal Task Force is that they have all the time in the world to build a case. The second issue is money. If they need money they go to the justice department and obtain it. There is no hurry up and lets make a pinch so we can have numbers. If Trumps does this, then this is a great start. I hope this is what they do. As one can see with Emmanuel, everything is optics. Make several arrests and he has cameras all over it. I hope whoever is in charge will start up this fine program, give them the resources to make it successful, and hopefully get the "RIGHT" Officers (Workers, no hacks) for this detail. This could be the start of Making America Great Again.
Strange that former president Obama never sent law enforcement personnel to Chicago, his home town. I took Trump less than 3 weeks to do it. Obama's legacy as it pertains to Chicago is an absolute disgrace.
Some years ago we worked with the ATF and it was a pleasure. We also workd on cases with the FBI and it was constantly looking over my shoulder. You can't trust the FBI, but with the ATF people THEN you were able to be yourself and do the job. To all the new police, don't ever trust a FBI agent on an investigation and that goes with merit bosses.
What a great job to be an ATF agent in Chicago. CPD does the real police work, makes the arrest, then some ATF agent slaps a cover report with a criminal history on the existing CPD reports, then "presents" the case to the USAO. The felon in possession of a firearm (bad guy) gets charged with federal crimes and does a longer sentence than if convicted of the equivalent ILCS charge.
Now for the reminder: if you haven't gotten the memo yet, you are expected to write detailed, accurate and true reports. This is the way it should be. So if you're used to embellishing a little on reports to make them sound better, or to make your case better, DON'T even think about it. YOU WILL be a defendant in Federal Court if you get caught. Do your job the way you know you are supposed to do it. If a case is weak, so what! Play it straight (like you are supposed to) and all will be well.
Just because assholes lie on the street all the time, does not justify us doing it.
hey,from experience working with FEDS.make sure they go into a hot spot with you.seen them hold back and pushed the copper in front of them and this was apprehension of a military deserter also they never for the most part never did real day to day police work,they were college educated lawyers or CPAs picked for white collar crimes and never fought a mook on the back porch at 3'00 in the morning.best we ever worked with were Secret Service.a lot are former city coppers and will jump right in a kick ass if need be and have a great disparing sense of humournot so the FBI,big egos and will hang you out to dry in a heart beat,so be warned
They'll be harassing gun dealers, reviewing lawful transactions, and giving CPD illegally kept records. They can't change the street. How many times do you think an ATF agent put cuffs on someone
What if the Feds find that CPD officers violated the civil rights of offenders during an arrest?? Will the Feds then pursue charges against the officers??
And how many were released by Obama?
Every Fed agent I ever worked with was nothing but respectful towards the CPD. Of course, they had absolutely no street knowledge. One even admitted that she never really worked in the ghetto & was intimidated strolling down Cicero.
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Let's hope that the deployment is more successful than the anti-straw purchaser campaign that became only a billboard on Metra and CTA stations 6 years ago - a barak strategy in answer to the fallout from Fast and Furious.
2/05/2017 12:09:00 AM
I remember the video when fast and furious ended great video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFQ9xbGuLc
OT.....URGENT!!!!! People of the 45th and 41st ward better be all over Alderman John Arena and Say HELL NO to the building of a 7 story low income/CHA housing on NW HWY. call him, email him, whatever, or attend the meeting Thursday at 7:00pm at Branch community church at 6126 Foster. This is deadly for our community! Spread the word.
Deploy them as a saturation team to cover the occupant of the 5th floor at city hall. You'll need 350 more to cover the aldercreatures.
Arresting the right people. Indeed.
However, it doesn't take the feds to do that...
Those arguing for "the feds" to come in and do it, well, they are slapping every good upstanding grade A CPD officer in the face, with a glove and a shoe, not to mention advocating central planning and enforcement at and from the national level. Aaahhhh, that is communism by definition, people.
Not in Rahm's Town. Not in PrickCankers County, they'll demand sending those violent criminal thugs to Rock Island, Sangamon or Cole counties if they can.
And they'll keep the Media from reporting that there are even any violent criminal thugs in Chicago too.
If there's to be any successes to reducing crime, Kidney Beans and Rahm will tout ShotSpots, CAPS, Diversity Supervision, Summer Jibs Programs and Sanctuary as the reason.
Stay Fetal, chase nobody, stop even less.
It's not the coppers, its the prosecutor, courts, and corrections who don't do their jobs. Aggressive prosecution and truth in sentencing would be a good start.
Bring in the Feds!! If that's what will bring on the charges that'll stick!
Serious sentences will put a certain dent in crime, giving lie to the oft repeated refrain of, "We can't arrest our way out of this situation."
Bullshit. You arrest the right people and send em away, you'll sentence your way out of 800 dead this year for starters.
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You are 100% right on the money SCC, but that's not politically correct in this liberal cesspool!!
Bourbon Street adding onto the dining room for the 20 ATF agents.
Yeah 20 agents 5 years to prosecute.
Don't hold your breath. No offense
against the agents. They are are
very thorough and investigations take a long time.
I worked on a state-local-federal drug task force in southern Illinois several years ago- DEA, IRS, state police and local cops. We took down a lot of hoodlums who had laughed at the state court system. Many got 10-20 or more years. Many are still doing time (in spite of Obama). It might work in Chicago, too. But you need a U.S. Attorney who wants to prosecute people. Jeff Sessions will emphasize this.
Come on Man.
Locking up the right people may only keep the homicide rate under say 600 a year.
VICTORY!
It's better to look good than do good. It's all about the PR
Is the Department of Just Us or the ACLU going to tell them HOW to do things?
One way to tell Prickwrinkle and Dart to go pound sand will be charging gun offenders in Federal court & sending them to a federal prison miles away from their homies. Dart will lie and say his deputies were on the task force of while he and Prickwrinkle tear down another division of CC DOC.
Retired.38 spl +P
."OT.....URGENT!!!!! People of the 45th and 41st ward better be all over Alderman John Arena and Say HELL NO to the building of a 7 story low income/CHA housing on NW HWY...."
– If they say it's Condo Only, could be bull, they can sneak in rentals with a Section 8 Affordable Housing clause in that new building that allows a percentage of units to be set aside.
Ask the AlderThief that question and hope the doesn't bs you.
Arena was a bad pick by the 45th Ward. NW Hwy/ Elston is beginning to reshape into a slum strip and new housing isn't the answer.
We dodged the bullet by not getting Hillary's poss.VP pick & now former HUD Secretary Castro, but Rahm is a nasty MF looking to stick it to 016 for a long time now.
Let them kill each other thats better than supporting them in jail for X number of years. Collateral damage happens in war and war is whats going on. Step back and enjoy the show, don't put your life on the line for the merit hacks you are forced to work for.
You could have a thousand agents of all kinds. If the US attorney refuses to take the gun cases then they are useless.
ATF agents were always the easiest to work with.
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That's nice. They're still the Feds. Don't trust them.
"What if the Feds find that CPD officers violated the civil rights of offenders during an arrest?? Will the Feds then pursue charges against the officers??'
Feds don't make charging decisions, AUSAs do. But to answer your question, yes. If ATF observes or finds evidence of criminal violations by CPD, they will present the evidence to the USAO. If it's civil rights-related, they will turn it over to, or at least work it with the FBI. Most won't want to chase after the police, but if a copper puts them between a rock and a hard place, the copper will be on the losing end. No fed will risk being charged with obstruction of justice to cover for unlawful activity. This is the same concept the Department wants you to adopt.
That being said, why the fuck would you intentionally act like a cowboy and put yourself at risk? Those days are long over. Law enforcement is a profession (it always was, but some acted like no real rules applied.) Who cares if dude has an attitude? Who cares if dude (with an IQ of 38) tells you to fuck your mother? Who cares if dude runs away from a crime? None of that means you get to use unreasonable force.
Use your brains and catch dude, handcuff him/her, write real, factual reports, and go home to your family. Or, don't catch dude. Don't lift a finger to do anything. Make a choice and do it without jamming yourself or your parter.
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