Another Rumor!
We started this site over twenty years ago to (A) inform readers, (B) amuse readers, and (C) keep readers abreast of rumors and gossip (see Item B). The fun thing about rumors is they trigger all sorts of other rumors....like this:
- There are rumors going around that the city is not going
to fund the OT budget at all. No OT for the police. No special, no
targeted enforcement of any kind. They can project increases all they
want for next year, but they don't have to fund it. Furthermore, they
are looking into putting house mice on a firm salary for inside work.
They will have to agree to this condition or get launched into patrol.
Even when they work mandatory OT they will not get compensated
monetarily and will get C/U hours. This may also be a big ask for the
next contract. Get all current CPD officers on a firm salary.
Paying officers to appear in court is going to be interesting. Can they dip into the regular police budget?
The trouble with this one is, it sounds all too possible, especially when you see the financial cliff Conehead is driving the city toward and the financial iceberg Fata$$ is steering the entire Ship-of-Illinois into.
Part of this rumor is something many have advocated for decades - gut the inside spots and deny house-mice the Duty Availability checks that street coppers actually earn, perhaps even institute a real Shift Differential for First and Third Watches.
Another part of this rumor is pure fantasy, seeing as how there are actual legal decisions and such regarding paying Officers for off-duty appearances in Court. Like the "mandatory CU" instead of pay - FLSA would gut that in a heartbeat.
But every good rumor has a ring of truth in it somewhere.
Labels: department issues, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
160 Comments:
Not a chance. The contract would pretty much have to be ripped up and rewritten. You could never deploy those officers to events then if you are going to take away duty Availibility. This one is a nothing. OT will be cut badly but it’s not gone.
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I can remember when if we worked o.t. we were given comp. time only and at hour for hour, no time and a half. Also, after the 1st of the year all unused overtime hours were wiped off the books. A lot of guys lost a lot of time.
Officers are already on a firm salary. They can’t make you take cu in lieu of ot.
They are definitely gutting ot so only expect it for the holiday deployments and special events that reimburse the city for all ot costs, ie lalla, marathon etc. it’s going to go back to tac teams doing all the details all summer.
You will be paid for ot in court but you won’t get notified to appear unless your definitely needed.
People in units on REIM for ot will get it and that’s it.
The ot game in the D unit is done.
I’d take a 20% paycut to worm inside. No bullshit.
Keep your eyes on GID ( Gang Investigations ) Rumor of a OT scandal on a new team that was made a few months back . What a waste of a skeleton unit , glorified tac team
https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/20/johnson-vows-crack-down-police-overtime-spending-2026-cpd-budget-swells-21b
Did the writer of the comment put down his crack pipe before writing this comment
Sound likes Mayor Voices in his
skull is off his medication again
or still on them. Either way he
still a mush. PS Thank you once
again Chicago Teacher Union.
How’s that working for you folks?
and if Kevin GRAHAM or Pay MURRAY get elected, you will be sure to see this happen- just watch them sell us out.
Read the contract that our fathers fought for
Full time inside sworn bid/voluntary positions should get a 25-40% pay decrease from their field counterparts.
The biggest misuse of overtime is happening at TRED. Half shifts for full days of OT, ghost patrolling. It starts at the very top there. The bosses are aware of it.
I rarely took money. For a time I took time for SDI until they said we “had” to take money. My comp time was worth more when I retired, than it was from 29 years prior than when I started.
Everyone at callback is on salary, no overtime whatsoever. No canceled days off, no kissing up to anybody for special favors. It's been like that for years. Put everyone on salary.
VSWO for Mag Mile Lights already says Comp Time Only!!!…
Duty availability was originally meant for 1st and 3rd watches to entice people to stay on those watches. Then we had all the 2nd watch crybabies complaining and it lost its true meaning.
I can remember when RMD paid workers with time off. And after so much time accumulated, you then got paid. It was a very demoralizing time.
Why should the house mice get a duty availability? Check? Secretaries with guns don’t need it. And an incentive to work an undesirable watch. They’ve been doing that in industry for a long time. Why not pay more if you have to work a crappy Shift/watch??
Think about your future after retirement. I for one took all my years of overtime and cashed out 2,800 hours over three years.
For me, my plan worked financially very well.
No chance any of this is true.
Fuck You, Pay Me!!
Less pay for house mice.
I heard at yesterday's FOP hearing, JRat admitted to using union dues to pay for expensive trips to places like Jamaica and Croatia. Jesus Christ, can an adult in the room please take the credit card away. Oh that's right, John got rid of the only adult on the board.
Jeez, what will the detectives that live in court do if true. Or should I say detectives that SAY they are in court.
Lots of rumors. So what. Not a damn thing is being done about all the overtime. It’s still there. Fear mongering
You go to the CPD academy, get a badge and gun. As soon as you get to the district, the first priority is to get the hell out of patrol.
This is about the 50 th cut overtime rumor that I have heard. But it’s business as usual especially in my district. We still do traffic missions, work days off, special events, CAPS stuff. Got more overtime now then ever before
and to handle that new system the department will make a new spot for a chief of overtime deferral, who will have a deputy chief, a commander, a captain, 3 lieutenants, 4 sgt's, 3 house mice (female of course) to handle all the cost cutting rules
Great timing!!
Love when retards who don't read anything make shit up.
https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/20/johnson-vows-crack-down-police-overtime-spending-2026-cpd-budget-swells-21b
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Chiraqis won’t notice the decline in service. In fact, they’ll appreciate it. Spend the money on the pension.
Wtf? Wiped comp, every year? Sounds like a retard negotiated on fop’s behalf. I’d be medical for 365. Every three years.
The African American community is passe in today's climate, it's all about the illegal. Explain that to them at your next town hall when their children are dying in the street.
Meh. The only ring of truth is the cutting of discretionary overtime. No more BS like desk people working their RDO on the desk or secretary spot instead of the street. I'm old enough to remember being told to pass of late jobs/arrests to the oncoming watch and officers being "requested" by the WC to take CU instead of money. In fact, cancelled RDOs that fall on a holiday require the officer to take CU for the first 20 hrs., so there is precedence. CHA and CTA are federally funded, so they're not affected. I believe Parks comes from the Park District budget. If true, that's not going anywhere for now. Duty availability probably won't be taken from house mice because our contract protects "department members", not just officers who work the streets. Officers assigned to 35th have been used to man the street for various events (remember, many were changed to the 4th watch) and the department can change, and has changed, their starting times using the management rights clause, just like tact. If they are put on a "firm salary" (no duty availability) would mean losing a chunk of manpower for things like those "pre-planned events" like Memorial Day, 4th of July, etc. But, at the end of the day, this is all my opinion.
This was a long, long time ago. In fact, there was a time that coppers did not get any compensation from going to court while OD.
they're at call-back for a reason
2.8k hours at retirement?! Com on’ you were also the police who never needed to submit CU slips for days off. Similar to area and district Admin office chosen few phone calls.
Hopefully they offer part time PO positions.
Drop residency and those who live outside Chicago can only take comp time where as those who live in Chicago have the option of cu / pay and if you live in Chicago your property tax is cut 50% ...but what do I know about negotiations.
OT was wiped out the 1st of the year, Pre FOP.
What’s the Skinny on these two? They running next election?
Is that Praz’s team?
Any Old Salts know who holds the most hours cashed out upon retirement?
A Star
Is that the undercover unit? With take home coverts?
So what.
Wrong. The raises you received never came close to beating the inflation rate over those 29 years and thus you actually lost purchasing power-by a lot.
See above post regarding inflation.
Don't forget to pay your water bill Mayor Conehead.
Someone who works at HQ should not be paid as much as an officer who is on the streets every day. Picking up dry cleaning and lunches for the boss holes and working a six hour day doesn't even compare. You can choose to work inside 5 days a week but you should also lose some benefits like pay equity.
Fucking moron. It's money only. Not comp time. Read.
It's upsetting I work with people like you.
What contract are you referrring to? The one that runs out and three years later the FOP starts to negotiate for crumbs left over from CTU?
Im retired and I knew guys who worked under those conditions. I came on over 30 years ago. But if you are still OTJ, I doubt "you can remember this happening "we worked o.t. we were given comp. time only and at hour for hour, no time and a half"...It didnt happen to you sir. Stop saying that.
This was when it was COP, which really was not a union. But then again, neither is FOP. It is a fraternal organization that represents the rank and file, but has no strike capability.
Waaaay before your time.
Mass transit sucks up a ton of OT working their days off for 5 hours.
Learn your history Dodo. We had no union contract until Mayor Jane Byrne gave us one. The bosses did whatever they wanted..to us.
Sure pal
They want to save money hire and allow senior officers an opportunity to leave
Rumor Central says all overtime initiatives and monies will be allocated to " Violence Interruptors " and Chicago Public School teachers to respond to "gang disturbance" calls during the First Watch hours. They will be assigned unmarked, unused tactical unit cars to transport themselves to assignments and will be issued radios per assignment from radio room personnel. They will be paid in time and a half increments according to their union contracts. Their will be no more monies allocated to Chicago Police personnel for any overtime initiatives. Per General Order 666. Addendum G.O.F.U.C.K.Y.O.U.R.S.E.L.F
Why the FUCK are some people on here allowing them to divide us and making suggestions on how to save money for the dept by taking it away from our brothren ?!
The city had plenty of money to waste on illegals, so I say FUCK NO to any trimming of the cpd budget with the exception of coneheads detail (since we’re a sickness anyway) and the ridiculously fat heavy hq.
We shouldn’t be suggesting ideas to cut any officers pay or removing benefits like duty availability from anyone. DON’T PLAY INTO THEIR HANDS ! UNITE AGAINST THEM !!!
Oh my, what will the light duty Sgt in unit 177 do if this happens?!?!? I guess he’ll have to start juggling bigger balls to double his salary!!!! Lol.
And then you saw how much was taxed and possibly realized man I could've spent XX amount of time with kids, family, friends whoever.....and lastly remember on your death bed you'll never wish you worked more...spend some time away from the job..when you retire they'll tax your comp time at 30-40% so those hours don't add up to as much as you think. They are worth more so you can spend some days away from this chaos.
-Retired in FL
That’s the way it was before we had a union and a contract. Thank you Jane Byrne.
Why do boomers feel the incessant need to let everyone, even total strangers on an anonymous internet blog, know how well they did?
Hey genuis, what would have happened if you stepped in a political landmine and the department fired you prior to you cashing out your comp time?
Looking at the amc as I'm posting this. It says "compensation for this initiative is monetary only, compensatory time option is not permitted"
Is this real. The three witches need to confirm this. If true, there is a big problem. If not true, the above poster needs to apologize.
Can you read? It says money only asshat I assume your a deputy…
Cleaning the card was way before fop.
How am I supposed to pay for my 1500 dollar car note lifted wrangler now!?
Jealous?
That time policy was in effect prior to the FOP. Changing day off groups every period so you would never see weekends (unless you were the chosen one) bouncing between 1st and 3rd watch? But at least you could smoke at roll call and in the cars. The "good" old days.
Probably, it makes sense to me.
Look at the TRED ot. Millions of dollars to watch two minute videos?? Most are at home while on the clock. Something must be done
Better learn to read before writing. Says monetary no compensatory time.
The Cone on his head must be made of reinforced titanium, especially thick and dense.
He’s right about wiped out every year and then when when baby fuel is started also wiped out after baby furlo. Jan 1st no one had time on the books. Election Day no OT. straight 8 hrs and if judges were being elected you had to stay until all the paper ballots were counted and then hand carry them to the station
Easy way for them to get out of court overtime is have the state attorney office or courts to pay for the officers appearance. We have all been subpoenaed for no reason like transporting the prisoner, Asa subpoena everyone on any report just in case they need them and because they are not paying the OT
Do any of them actually do anything. Never have seen a large or newsworthy gang arrest made by them
They take part in it
What about light duty. They don’t go to the setails
Well said my friend well said.
All that training to sit behind a desk. What’s wrong with this picture.
People really need to learn how to read. Johnson just proposed his 2026 budget a couple days ago, which can he googled and read. And He actually upped the Police Overtime, “ . Given we always blow by it, but the article alone dispels the rumor.
Johnson’s proposed spending plan would double CPD’s overtime budget from $100 million to $200 million, the first increase since 2020, when the budget for police overtime went from $95 million to $100 million, records show”. https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/20/johnson-vows-crack-down-police-overtime-spending-2026-cpd-budget-swells-21b
Hope you enjoyed that 37.5% tax bill. You would have come out farther ahead if you took the money and invested it.
Don’t think that “firm salary” as you call it is something that can be done- at least yet anyways.
Overtime is always the villain, just not when it comes to covering for their hiring shortfalls. Something has to give.
And forcing officers to work extra hours for less money will only make the situation worse.
Even if they *could* theoretically make you take CU instead of money- unless they wiped it every year again, they’d still have to pay it out when you leave.
And if that’s the case, I have around 2,000 hours on the books, I’ll be dropping slips for the next year. See you guys around 2027.
I don’t think a lot of younger coppers realize how far we’ve come in that regard.
Those days were a little before my time, but I remember hearing about the comp time getting wiped away every year, rotating watches, and the fact that whenever your weekends rolled around they just changed your DOG to take your weekends away from you.
While the FOP is pretty shitty in a lot of regards, they’ve done a lot to organize us forward away from those terrible practices.
I understand your sentiment, but you sound like someone who’s never actually worked real cases in the D unit.
OT is a necessity a lot of the time. Closing cases isn’t always a 9-5 job, you should know that Sherlock Holmes.
That’s the system us dinosaurs worked under. Hour for hour except court when you got 3hrs no matter how long you were in court. Hours wiped off at the end of the year and you were only supposed to accumulate 40 hrs which was used for a baby furlough. Lots of things changed about OT when Jane Byrne came in to office.
193 has been a joke since they folded a bunch of Gang Enforcement rejects into it several years ago.
Suddenly all of the “school teams” (aka guys nobody wanted on actual gang teams) were magically turned into Gang Investigations.
393 instantly became 193, and that was the beginning of the end for that unit.
Glorified tac team is right, with exception to the wire teams there is no “investigating” being done in the gang investigation division.
Agreed.
Policemen should get policemen’s pay.
Secretaries should get secretaries pay.
Two different jobs.
I see where you’re going with this!
Let’s just “strip” every PO, and handle crime via telephone.
I’m sure Brandon Johnson would love that.
In that case, hard pass.
The lights can police themselves.
“Shift differential” and “duty availability” are two different things.
Plenty of other departments have a true shift differential.
If you studied as hard as you hate, you might be able to pass the test. Just sayin’
Bingo
Can we, please, NEVER Stop talking about our PENSION…. It seems like we are in a toxic relationship… the issue arises and everyone gets rumbling.. then, ((((( crickets ))))
There is no fucking way our pension is sustainable…. … it’s like weekend at Bernie’s, walking around and being portrayed as alive but It’s dead ☠️!!!
Compensation for this initiative is MONETARY ONLY, Comp Time is not permitted. Stop spreading lies, dumb f—k!
Esy before the fop ever happened. My dad came on in the 50's and that in fact is true. Lost all comp time and when your weekends came up they changed your DOG so you lost your weekend.
I can't argue that the house mouse crew is pathetic. There was a time
when those officers were top notch & saved many from their own stupidity.
They were a wealth of knowledge & had no problem helping
out the new kid. I'm long gone, the current dollies cannot compare
to yester year.
Sgt's should not get the extra .5 hrs of OT everyday either when they work inside.
Been a reader for that 20 years but sometimes the shit you post makes you sound like a Democrat. Fake News.
This mouse was field deployed for DNC. To quote whoever "fuck you pay me!"
A few are worth our weight in time, knowledgeable & experience *mush*
Can't speak for da rest
Really? I call bs but If so uh doesn't that meN something like embezzlement a.k.a criminal activity
Very true, but you have to remember back then, there was no FOP and no contract. That all changed with Mayor Jane Byrne, God rest her soul.
The FOP fought hard to get duty availability pay for all three watches, claiming that all watches are subject to emergency start time changes, deployments and mandatory OT. The FOP, being politically savvy, knows that the majority of the Department works on 2nd Watch and so they got them the availability pay. The FOP did not want to piss off most of their members.
The city cannot force an officer to take elective time only, especially when you are restricted to take that time off. What about detectives, evidence technicians, officers with late arrests, and SWAT incidents that go for 12+ hours? The OT will happen. If anything the department may jump to 12 hour shifts.
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If the City really wanted to cut the CPD OT all they have to do is end the cancelled RDO's and mandatory OT that occurs all summer long. This would also increase moral measurably. Remember Tiered Deployment? What a waste of money that was and a moral killer. Leave my fucking RDO's alone so I can spend time with my family.
Now Hein‘s own people are starting to talk about him at headquarters. They’re embarrassed. Jon, you sadly have few followers, only a couple suck asses that tolerate you You’re incompetence has tarnished the brand as you like to say. You’re a joke.
No OT to find out who gunned down "lil Dave" in Garfield Park in broad daylight? So it ain't so bro....
Take the test douchebag
When CTU starts paying what we pay into the pension, that is when I will worry. Have a beer this weekend Shaky.
It’s 2025 and talking about a mayor from the 80’s. Close the yearbook.
This is what happens when you lower the education requirement. Moron!!
Reading is a fundamental skill.......use it.
We actually do live in court loser.
Dipshits mock people withh time on that have not donee shit in 5, 10, or even 15 years. The deparment went to shit in 2008 when Obama became president and Phil Cline left. Around 2017 or so body cameras turned the job to garbage. Add goofy bosses with 10-15 years on that never really worked the streets and you have a joke department.
In 008, we still have unlimited overtime.
my Dad came on in the elate 50s too. He said there was no OT for going to court when OD. The poster who said the young coppers don't know how much has changed is correct. I think the first contract CPD received was in 1981
Since most of the people on here have no idea what defines a union here it is. To be a union means you bargain collectively. It has nothing to do with being able to strike. There are other unions that arent allowed to strike and they are still a union.
I went to the bank to bank on it. It’s not gonna happen. I think President Trump is a great president, but he really doesn’t care what happens here. He’s gonna let us keep swinging in the wind.
and it is federally funded OT
I worked in 011 when Cmdr Hackett was the boss and the bail bondsman was across from the station. Talk about the wild west.
I could, but you wouldn't believe me anyway.
Not a chance. Don’t hold your breath dork.
Yeah, we're much better off with John stealing from us, and his shady board covering for him. But I agree, Pat Murray is a disaster.
No wonder the FBI served subpoenas to the FOP for financial records.
That's a really good idea!
Tolanda Yalley will be hired as the new First Deputy and Have Darris will be the new Chief or Patrol
Nah to Praz. I bet it’s Vivanco.
its actually .75.hr
cry more lil bitty baby
If you work 10 holidays per year and bank just those hours that's 120 per Year. Do the math for 29 years, not to shabby. Seen many officer with 4000+ hours at retirement.
RF is still at it
No chance cause of flsa they make u take money after so many ot hrs each period
Well stop cancelling my days off for holidays I didn’t sign up for this, I have a life outside this department, wife, kids, 3 dogs, 2 cats, a lizard and a side piece..
How about the goofy bosses with 6 years on. Do you like them better. U clown, Pass a test
Stfu
I worked in the D and know the game very well. I’m aware cases don’t get closed in a 9-5 fashion, I also know they never got worked much until 5 rolled around. Everyone knows what the game is.
This incompetence has been on display since he became a Sgt..
They don’t do anything besides eating all over the city you can find them eating on Taylor Street or up in 016 , mostly straight days also .
Narcissist prick
This is something I can totally believe. The biggest change I've seen since I started in the 90's is all the inside Monday morning QB spots. U have two year wonders who have never stopped anyone telling actual working police officers that ISRs are wrong. You have Force review who don't know what a proactive arrest entails jamming up street officers. These spots have unlimited OT. They have laptops and are reviewing videos at home. These spots should be 8 and half for 8 with no OT and a 20% cut in pay as they don't work the street.
0812 am obviously knows very little about call back. Half the officers are career cowards and medical abusers. You have people at call back on light or limited duty who refuse to be house mouses at HQ. They workout at call back and leave early. They are the dregs of the dregs. They wouldn't work OT if their life depended upon it. Yes some stripped officers are people who don't belong on the job. A good chunk of them are political prisoners who should have been suspended and put back on the street. Get a clue!!
They'll still pay. Tried that a few times. They're either going to pay in the front end (scene, investigation), or , as they tried to hand off active scenes, etc when your shift was done, to next watch, they'll pay in the end (when 12 dics get subpoenaed to court for a trial.
Both of you are wrong. I came on and amassed 2000+ hours as a PO making $14-16 an hour. Retired as a LT making $80 an hour. Rolled the cu time into deferred comp TAX FREE. Bought a retirement condo with a mortgage which I pay with deferred comp. This offsets the tax liability. Get a better investment advisor
If you live in court YOU are the loser. Sorry
Speak for yourself, asshole.
You can feel the “fraternity” in these comments.
Let’s not start with less pay for certain spots\positions. I see plenty of det po sgt lt k9 fto that I routinely ponder how they even made it to this job. How they got promoted? I have No idea… after all the bs and at the end of the day who cares. I never wanted a promotion that requires kissing ass, playing up to race,
…because their children have been taught the only respected solution to any problem is violence?
…with Punisher sticker on the back window & rubber duckies across the dashboard.
Work OT
You need help if you believe that
Jane Byrne gave all the other depts a contract too. Life under the politicians was pretty awful. Not surprised the Netflix police don't wanna hear about it,history began when they came on the job. Ignorant children.
conegead ,crap head is sooo dumb . Poleece OT is up because he keeps cancelling the days off.
Stop it
Think before you post——you missed every holiday with your family. You would be a moron and divorced with 2 kids that are transgender because they hate you.
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