Monday, September 19, 2005

Ok, somebody please tell us

... what the hell happened in 005? Who's the dead guy? Why are the goofs trying to get into the wagon? Was there a 10-1? Why didn't anyone get arrested? Post it here people.

41 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was there, here is some stuff I saw:

Yes there were over 100 people there and many were yelling, but 005 district officers were not directed by 599, 590 or either of the two 005 sergeants to move the people down the block as requested by the dics and Crime Lab.

The dead guy's brother ran after the wagon for a half block as it drove off to the morgue.Yes, he made a grab for the side door handle, but it was a complete miss.

The same guy crossed the red and yellow police tapes numerous times, was stopped, but put on one of the best stomping, crying and yelling show I've seen in years. When he crossed the line one time he was stopped by a 005 sergeant, he shoved the sergeant back and pushed against the sergeant's facial area. I didn't see this next part but supposedly the W/C directed he not be arrested, that part I didn't see.

The same guy also attempted to enter his brother's vehicle.

The W/C DID order the sheets to be placed over the side windows.People were standing less than 10 feet away and were NOT moved away!

An area 2 guy DID want to take an arrestee into custody but was told not to by 005 supervisor.

The Crime Lab guys could not properly process the scene, that I did see and heard them say so.

I did see at least two supervisors smoking on the street, as this thing unfolded, but that's one of the least of the problems

To the person in the other post who said it was not a 10-1 situation, well, if it wasn't, then it was pretty close. You mean I have to wait until my ass is being kicked to call for outside backup from another district?

Were any objects thrown? I'm not sure, but then again, the people were spread out from 10400 to 10500 south. If something was thrown there is a good chance I'd not see it.

Why didn't I arrest anyone? I was directed not to. Okay, not a direct order, but was "told" do.

All in all, it is a surprise no officers were injured. It was a disgrace and the supervisors there should be ashamed of themselves.

9/19/2005 02:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was there, as a detective assigned to assist the the first watch detectives who had the homicide.

It was bedlam.

We were ordered by the Dick watch commander to stop processing the scene and conducting the canvass, until order was restored. There was the site of the original shooting,(10345) and the site were the victim crashed into three parked cars.(10447/53)

The uniformed police set up a perimter at 10443 to 10500 Wenthworth. They allowed every one to walk down the west side of the street. Every one was claiming to be a relative. Unknown to us the victims mother lived at 10442, and there had been a previous shooting in the home earlier in the day.

They all started to run under the tape, or break the tape.

My problem was with the Sgts. from five who stood by smoking by the red crime scene tape. The female sgt. probably smoked a carton of smokes, she never moved, and then sat in her squad car as it got worse. The tac sgt. attempted to asisst with crowd control and was slapped by the victims brother. I learned that the captain ordered the sergeant not to arrest the offender.(I did not see this) I know that a coworker called a 10/1, along with a beat car. We were out numbered and their were about forty really hostile people. In my experience at similar homicide scenes, the police take control and start locking up the aggresors. This ussually restores peace, every one is charged with obstructing a peace officer.

The crime lab guys said they never saw the police loose a crime scene in this city like this.

Disturbances were breaking out all over the place.

Do not blame the patrol people from five the sgts. and captain should be held accountable. My only regret is that the street deputy did not arrive, to discipline the police captain and his cowardly sergeants.

9/19/2005 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys are forgetting about who the watch commander was.

He lets his son go to an all black public school and ride his bike through a dangerous neighborhood.

Remember last September when his child was beaten unconscience, robbed and hospitalized for two weeks in critical condition.

The man doesnt care about his family you think he cares about his police officers?

I wish Captain Roberts never retired, we had the best watch and good guys. Now every one is leaving because of this idiot captain. Look at all the good cops who have left since this J/O took over.

9/19/2005 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous 005 W/C 1st Watch said...

I had everything in complete control until that short old detective took the sheets down. I bet he'll never solve the case anyway. Wait til he needs me to sign an arrest report for him.

9/19/2005 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is this Captain? First and last name please

9/19/2005 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like a job for Capt. Cynthia White.

9/19/2005 04:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was a crazy scene...one of the craziest I've scene in nearly twenty years on.

It started out with a high-ranking 4CH getting shot at 104 & Wentworth and driving about a block and crashing at 10447. After the first police arrived, family and gang members started arriving, alerted by cell phone. Several assist cars showed up on the original scene. At the time of the shooting, the WC, field lt, tact team, wagon and several other cars were on a mission at 118 & Princeton where the previous night some GD's claimed it was their block, and were going to be shown otherwise. Once the call for assist went out, the mission was scrapped, and all responded to the shooting.

The scene continued to grow, and it was one of the SUPERVISORS that requested first a couple of more cars, and 590 who called a 10-1, calling for help from 022 and any of the Department's ELITE units (SOS, TRU, etc) that happened to be in the area. 022 showed up in force, but nobody else.

It is true that no arrests were made. Manpower in 005 was such that a beat car was driving the wagon. There were two other shootings in 005 within a 45 minute stretch around this one. Nobody was ordered, or even told, not to make an arrest. The tact guys and one holdover from 3rd Watch knew some of the family and others out there and did a great job of calming people down. There were occasional outbursts, people ran past the tape to put on some drama, but nobody made it to the crime scene, and they were removed back past the tape.

If one person had been arrested, we would have probably needed to arrest 50. I would rather stand there and listen to people scream and make fools of themselves then have to fight with 100 idiots. What good would it have done? Get half of the watch injured and the rest tied up on disorderly conducts that would get thrown out anyway. The "officers" out there that most wanted people locked up were the detectives. Do you think they would have made the arrests? No they huddled near the crime scene (smoking) while the beat guys kept order.

I never saw or heard anything thrown, and nobody else mentioned it the timw we were out there. Some drama-loving family members punched cars parked on the street and rolled on the ground. The best was the sister who was rolling around, crying and screaming hysterically, pounding on the ground...until her cell phone rang. She calmly answers, says "I can't talk now, I'm busy" and returns to her theatrics.

The tact sergeant did get into a tussle with someone, but it was HIS decision not to arrest at this time. But, trust me, justice will be handled in that case.

That same sergeant had the good idea of getting some sheets from Roseland Hospital to shield the body from view until the Crime Lab arrived (nearly 1 1/2 hours later). However one of the know-it-all Dicks decided that holding sheets up to block the line of sight would somehow mess with DNA evidence, and threw them away. This same dick had been instructed by the WC to check the crime scene at the original shooting location, but was too busy trying to look important (it wasn't even his job) that it wasn't until nearly 45 minutes later that a Det. supervisor went down there that evidence was found on the street that might be linked to the offender. Then later that dick goes down there and makes a show of recovering it.

Overall, the officers from 005 and 022 did an awesome job with the resources available. The crime scene was NOT compromised (unless you count the Detective waiting so long to check out the original scene) and nobody was hurt, except maybe the egos of some self-important detectives.

9/19/2005 04:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats up with the Sgt's they just stand there and smoke and do nothing ?

9/19/2005 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>It was a crazy scene...one of the craziest I've scene in nearly twenty years on.<<

>>Do you think they would have made the arrests? No they huddled near the crime scene (smoking) while the beat guys kept order.<<

OK, which was it? Crazy, or orderly? Your comments were well written, but I disagree with the substance of what you wrote. The point of arresting 50, once twice or twenty times it that eventually it sinks in at these scenes.

But you let it go once, and its somebody else's lesson to teach the next 20 times. Thanks??

On another note, I swear the only place anybody knows to do this is in 018, but if you truly need a quick mobilization from more than the available resources on the zone, the supervisors should call a plan. As in, "simulcast this incident as a 10-1 and a plan implementation, and get me 4 wagons, 75-100 officers and whatever canine units are available". Haven't heard anybody do this since 1995 at the Comfort Zone, but its the best way to get the needed resources late at night, especially in a lonely, unloved and forgotten corner of the city. The only downside is the paper... and the guarantee that the street deputy will show up (sounds like this would have been a downside for the captain).

9/19/2005 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

005 W/C 1st Watch said...
I had everything in complete control until that short old detective took the sheets down. I bet he'll never solve the case anyway. Wait til he needs me to sign an arrest report for him.

9/19/2005 04:01:40 PM

Hey why is it captain that you can never get an over ride from the street deputy when you cry Wolf as always. The deputy always comes up stairs to the vc office and mutters your name with the Fkin word. How come your guys tell the states attorney at Br 38, that the captain made me call the dicks to make it a battery, when the guy closed the door accidnently on the p/os foot?

I have nothing but respect for the guys who work for you, they work as hard as anybody in Area 2, but you are an idiot, why dont you go on a ride along in 003,004, or 006 and learn to be a watch commander from one of the field Lts. You are ballless to blame the dicks, we would never leave your guys hanging especially the workers because of your incompetence you patronage hack. What kind of gang crime specialist were you? Merit specialist, merit sgt, merit Lt, merit Captain. I cant wait to see you to your face you spineless coward. Go back to 35th Street, and believe me I fear no man especially a patronage hack who would sell the young coppers out in a minute for a gold star.
You have good men and a couple of real sergeants, I cant wait to throw an arrest slip in your puss.
Since when does a captain of police control a crime scene. You should apply for a job at Moe @ Oink as a security gaurd. Did you shit your diaper. Believe me down town knows of your incompetence, when the case goes to trial lets have you testify for the defence,
every thing was digitally recorded.

005 is the only district with three female captains. U, White and Elephant ass on the third watch.

9/19/2005 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An honest opinion of what I observed on scene.

When I arrived on scene, 599, 590, a Beat Sgt, and a few other Beat cars were on scene. The scene was well protected. There was a witness in the back of the paper car. Nobody from the crowd was yelling at him. The fire department was just leaving and left the dead dude behind in the driver's seat of his truck.

599 and an Officer were just about to walk down to the original scene to look for additional evidence when dude's family showed up and acted out. A 10-1 was called by a Beat cop and a Detective. Dude's brother tried to rush past the crime scene tape numerous times. The tact Sgt pushed brother away from the crime scene. He chose not to arrest him. I doubt if 599 told him or any Officers not to make an arrest. Although all hell would have broken out if the Sgt tried to handcuff him. And then a REAL 10-1 would have occurred. Paper car left to the Area with witness.

The crime lab took forever to get there. More people gathered and started screaming. As more Officers arrived on scene, the original crime scene was located and secured.

Dude was taken away in wagon, which dude's brother did chase after and almost did grab onto. Tow truck came for dude's truck. From start to finish the scene took about 2 hours.

I didn't see any bottles thrown. I didn't see the whole sheet covering the truck scenario. I didn't see any Detectives or Sgts smoking near the crime scene. (Although a few may have been drinking from a flask)

Under the circumstances, I think the 005th District and responding units did a good job. Yes, there could have been a little bit better direction by the Supervisors.

Just your typical "homicide in the ghetto" crime scene. One detective there did seem to have a hard on for 599 for some reason.

The main thing is that no Officer got hurt. Next time maybe we all can work together a little better.

9/19/2005 06:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats why 005 is complete crap

9/19/2005 06:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 4:25 poster:

The wallet at the original scene was not recovered 45 minutes after detectives got there. One of the two A/2 sergeants was down there, with another dick, about 5 minutes after told about it. In fact, and this I am not sure, the dick sergeant may have first found it. Anyway, a car from 22 guarded it until Crime Lab arrived.

It is not the Crime Lab guys fault it took so long to arrive. Those two guys are good workers. It is not their fault (or ours) the department lacks the desire to have another Crime Lab up on each shift.

Secondly, I only saw two beat sergeants and a Mission team guy smoking, but that is a minor point.

I was there and yes, some officers from 022 and 005 did do a great job, and attempted to calm the situation, but alot did nothing. I saw a couple of dicks stopping people from entering the scene and I know they are non-smokers.

It could best be described as utter bedlam. If the crowd had been moved down to the end of each block, or on their porches, there would have been no drama like rolling on the street and pounding on vans. The W/C lost control and then let it get out of control.

Like I said there were good guys out there but there was a definite lack of supervision. No way it should have gotten that far.

9/19/2005 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger SweetBabyRay said...

As Leftisthebest would suggest, "Now all ranks, "merit" and legit, let's join hands and sing "Kumbaya".

That mob scene is lucky Lefty, myself and even Adolph weren't there. We would've showed them a thing or two.

I have a suggestion for future homicides in 005. Perhaps Rev. Meeks could be on stand-by to come to the scene for moral support for the family of deceased. Just make sure his driver stops at all stop signs. Better yet, Cline could deputize him and give him a little siren to put on the dashboard.

9/19/2005 07:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong. "Kumbaya" was me, not "Lefty".

9/19/2005 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee--could that have been Captain Tom McMahon?

9/19/2005 09:32:00 PM  
Anonymous 005 w/c 1st watch said...

Believe me everyone when I say that this incident has been greatly exaggerated. Everything was going fine until the second A/2 dick arrived on scene and opened his mouth. Yes he's the same dick that took down my sheets. That dick needs to be sent back to patrol to find out what it's like to be a working copper. I run the investigation, not him!! That's why Cline wants me here. And to that dick's previous posts, you know where my office is. I hope to see you tonight.

9/19/2005 10:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Review the tapes.

590 called for the 10-1, called for a Plan, called for SOS or any other outside units, and none of "The Elite" showed up.

9/19/2005 11:02:00 PM  
Anonymous d`versity said...

great thread/thanks/stay safe/fix what was wrong/kudos to those who held up their end/f-u to the jerks

9/20/2005 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is an interesting question, why did you let the body lay there for 2 hours , why wasnt the body removed by the ambulance? No homicide has been solved because the body stayed on scene. Former Chief of Dets, now D/S Molloy has also said as much; let them take the body and end the ghetto drama, secure some good witnesses(as good as can be expected) and let the dets and crime lab do there thing, and yes, it is the W/C's scene, teh det may have the investigation, but the boss runs it......

9/20/2005 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

If one person had been arrested, we would have probably needed to arrest 50. I would rather stand there and listen to people scream and make fools of themselves then have to fight with 100 idiots. What good would it have done? Get half of the watch injured and the rest tied up on disorderly conducts that would get thrown out anyway.


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Way too many warm and fuzzy police on the job now a days. The scene was out of control because it was decided that police work should not be done. Do your job, grab a night stick, make the arrets, and let the lawyers worry about what gets thrown out. The posts leaning towards mayhem are correct, the ones saying that overall it was a good job done..... get real. And if its the W/C scene he should of handled it better. Any smart W/C turns the scene over to the people who handle the investigation. Thats only common sense.

9/20/2005 03:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The police responsibility was to ensure that the crime scene (the truck) was preserved. It was. If you are so unsure of your manliness that you need to prove it by getting in a fight with a mob of people, go ahead. But NO POLICE OFFICERS GOT HURT (other than a minor skin scrape on the tact sergeant's hand, which will be dealt with when the time is right). If your ego is so important that you don't care for the safety of other officers...God help your partner.

9/20/2005 03:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sweet Boy Ray or whatever you call yourself, why did you jump into the conversation and start writing about yourself and your two boyfriends? No one cares about your little homo admiration society. You don't need to cyber-jerk one another. Just get together and have a good old fashioned boystown romp. Go do some work attention whore.

9/20/2005 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you arrest 1 you would've had to arrest 50?" Arrest 50 then....grab a sse of balls and be a policeMAN.When you back down one time and show fear or weakness you only empower the people to "test" the police the next time around. The sarcastic "Elite didn't show up." Was SOS or TRU working? Shift ends @ 0300/0400 or were they heading home? When we show up people get locked up ask 10th district during mexican independence parade. Thanks to the lack of manpower they were outnumbered all weekend, but they handle it best they could. All it takes is one spineless boss to empower a crowd. Any Sgt's dot the crowd with a taser, past experience shows that it usually makes 'em scatter like roaches when the lights come on. What was the name of the Captain?

9/20/2005 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats the story with the femal Sgt., is she another useless female supervisor

9/20/2005 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CFD no longer removes obviously DOA victims. They leave them on the scene.

9/20/2005 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Resurrect the late (and great) Herb "Shotgun" Murphy. I've seen him pull up to a scene as desribed above, lights and sirens, burn rubber (really gets their attention), jump out, literally, open the trunk, grab his shotgun and jack one in - they really do scatter like roaches. And the stragglers would get a crack in the head!!!

9/20/2005 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous NorthSide said...

While I never had the pleasure of meeting him, I would like to nominate Sgt. John Clifford for a new position as the official 5th District "outdoor homicide scene coordinator."

As I have posted before, I take vigorous exception to this "gender thang". I have encountered some outstanding lady CPD officers and supervisors.

9/20/2005 12:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the lockup 50 then, comment. There is no reason to sit there and compromise the crime scene or the police in the future by sitting on your hands and getting abused. Respect the uniform many have died for!!!

9/20/2005 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correction....

7th District Murphy......

He carried a carbine not a shotgun.

9/20/2005 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I stand corrected, however, it sure did break up the crowd/mob.

9/20/2005 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck it those PEOPLE dont deserve police service, they should have just left guy rot the savage would just walk over him anyways like they give a shit.....Coppers saftey should come first and since bosses have no balls just get up and leave scene.....

9/20/2005 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats the common factor of such
hooliganisms. Example:
Friday night: Br. Rice/Carmel
football game @ Rice 5,000 people, not one arrest or problem. Gatley stadium same night. two public school teams, 1,500 people 10-1's
fights, arrests, mass cahos, Cta
refusing gang banger passengers etc..........

9/20/2005 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey McMahon @ Renyolds:
Commander Kelly
The writing is on the wall, Tom back stabber Mc Mahon and the retard are going to make you loose your Command. How many people have bailed out since Capt. Roberts retired?

I trust the dicks, before you spineless Mc Mahon, calling guys on their furlough stopping the extensions. With a civil service Captain {Roberts} we were allowed furloughs and extensions. Why does Kelly support you penis boy. My kids and wife were better off with out you, you bastard. My child will only play little league or cheer leading at my parish for how long.

The little fat dick you critise had the balls to get the tape of your son getting beaten sensless and went to the mutts in racine courts asking for help to find the offenders.

We need a midnight watch party were one of the dicks with twenty years + on can kick your ass you Royal Pussy. You should be reported to the Dept of Children and Family services, but they wound turn you over to the youth divsision, and say the beating of your child was an accident.

Hey ball less maybe Cline should tranfer ure sgt. on 501 and 520 and you will not have nobody with balls.(Slayton/Callahan real police)

I called for a Sgt. and waited 22 minutes when the M/1 Sgt.to wake up. Thanks you bastard for ruining the moral, we should go to the news media patronage prick.

Everyone save ure reports, we will go to the media, F/U Mc Mahon

I work on your watch m/f, and I hate you.

9/20/2005 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 5:28,
Bid out guy, life is too short to let someone get under your skin like that. 005 will survive without you and you can live a few years more before the grabber.

P.S. prozac aint so bad either

9/20/2005 08:15:00 PM  
Anonymous bureau of operational services said...

Order 05-69

Due to the ongoing pussification of the Department, free Prozac dispensers will be installed in the squad rooms of all district patrol units effective 22 Sep 05 at 0001 hrs.

Complimentary Xanax and/or thorazine will only be dispensed with the approval of a sergeant or above.

"Da Job is Legit" bumper stickers will also be affixed to the rear bumpers of all marked district vehicles.

It is hereby ordered that upon publication, all 005 roll calls will include all sworn personnel, without regard to rank, joining hands in a circle around a bonfire in the parking lot to sing "Kumbaya". In addition, there will be a benediction by a local clergyman, the Rev. James T. Meeks, to commence all first watch roll calls unless and until directed otherwise.

Medication refills, bumper stickers, kindling and firewood may be ordered through the Equipment % Supply Unit (172), PAX 4051.

"MERIT" RULES!

Dana "MoFo" Starks
First Deputy Supt.

9/20/2005 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous previous posts re: 005 4CH`86'd" said...

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Anonymous said...
Any one has info on the 10/1 on 104th and Wenthworth Sunday morning. Murder scene, a police sgt. punched in face, watch commander told him he could not lock up offender because he was dead guys brother.

McMahon was the captain, more Pussification of the CPD.

9/19/2005 11:13:41 AM

Anonymous said...
Persons there said there was more than 100 persons on the street hooping and hollering. When the Area 2 guys arrived they asked the captain to push the crowd back. They didn't. Brother of the dead continously ran across the red tape and had to be pushed back.

Finally a dick from Area 2 called a 10-1 and P/O's from 022, of all places, showed up. He said at least they did something.

The captain wanted no one arrested and did not have the street cleared. The crime lab guys had to cut short the processing of the body and vehicle he was shot in because of the unruliness. This guy, on the job for many years, told me it was the saddest crime scene/crowd scene he ever saw.

The W/C (McMahon) refused to stand up and when an outside guy tried to lock someone up the W/C said no.

9/19/2005 11:24:17 AM

Protect your own said...
Well than A2, the Cime Lab, and all the PO's should have packed up and left. They want to act like animals they should be treated as such. As far as the W/C he is the new trend in the CPD, a pussy that doesnt care what the troops want or need but he is there to bend over backwards for the animal to keep the peace. CPD what a joke.

9/19/2005 11:51:20 AM

Anonymous said...
I was there from the all call 10/1.
006 and 22nd District secured 104th Street, at Wenthworth, they stopped throwing bottles. 005 five took the scene and 105th Street.

The 005th District was a disgrace, the Captain started yelling for the zone to send SOS. Not one of his Sgts. or Lt(1). took charge. All the Sgts. one f/2/@2m/4s stood in between the Red crime scene tape smoking leaving the troops to fend for themselves.

The crime lab asked the sgts. to move out of the inner perimeter and to pick up the cigareete butts before the lab took photos.

no one had a night stick, the Capt. grabbed a detective as he tried to mace a dog who tore down the yellow tape. The capt. then contaminated the crime scene by covering the car with white non sterile sheets. When the lab began filming the scene the dicks moved the sheets and the Capt. m/fxxx two detectives at the vehicle.

The dick watch commander called and asked for the street deputy to respond. The sad thing was the capt. stopped the first beat car who arrived and found the only witness. They wanted to tour the area with the witness and look for offender, but the Capt ordered them to stay at the scene. Guess what; the crowd surrounded the blue and white and saw the witness, screaming at him not to cooperate. The dicks asked for the witness to be immediately moved. Capt refused. The witness then refused to view a photo array of possible offender and asked for a lawyer at dick area.

The first cars from 005 did a good job. I was told a tac sgt. was hit in the face, and the capt. demanded he release the offender because he was afraid of the crowd. The capt. has shit in his blood, dicks requested two squadrols, one for the body, one to make arrests.

The dicks told me this morning they processed the body at the morgue, and the crime lab people were livid. I dont know if this is true, but the dicks said as the wagon tried to drive away a dude tried to enter the doors as the truck went northbound on Wenthworth. The dude was dragged along the street and the wagon strarted swerving to throw the mope of the door handles. I wish he would have struck his head on the pavement. This was the mope who punched the sgt. This sounds like a comedy, but I believe the facts I have just written, I was there, but couldnt see everthing that occurred because I believe there must have been two hundred police haters on the street. I will tell my grandchildren this story one day, I thought I was in Iraq. I wish I had a video camera.

9/19/2005 11:59:27 AM

Anonymous said...
God damn is this infuriating. I can't even imagine how far a number would go on the captain. The dumb motherfucker should be persona non grata for life from here on out. What an absolute disgrace.

Backing-down from mobs will only lead to more mobs and more injuries in the future.

9/19/2005 12:07:36 PM

Anonymous said...
shakman should look into how this guy got to be captain

9/19/2005 12:18:09 PM

Anonymous said...
Wow 11:59, you have a wild imagination.

First off, the scene never got to a 10-1 status. Even though an A/2 dick called one. A 10-1 is when a copper is getting his ass kicked.

Second, no bottles were being thrown.

Thirdly, no Sgt was punched in the face.

Fourth, no Sgts were smoking in the crime scene.

Fifth, the crowd was not screaming at the witness not to cooperate.

Sixth, the witness cooperated fully with the detectives.

Seventh, dude did run after the wagon as it drove away with dead guy. And although i like the part where he hung on and was being dragged, it never happened.

Yes, there were about 150 people out there. Maybe ten were unruly.
Yes, the 005th district could have done a better job of crowd control and getting the crowd off the sidewalk.
Yes, some loudmouths should have been placed into the back of a wagon.
Yes, the captain did try to cover the dead guy's truck with two unsterile sheets.

9/19/2005 12:31:45 PM

Anonymous said...
Move along people. Nothin' to see here, Captain says so.

9/19/2005 12:46:02 PM

Anonymous said...
Beat 523 called the 10/1.

Witness would not identify guy in photo array, it was learned both knew each other.

A sgt. was punched or slapped.
No injury.

9/19/2005 12:54:41 PM

Anonymous said...
Average H.S. Football game at Gately= 10-1. Unless its a Catholic League game. Anyone know why?

9/19/2005 12:57:29 PM

Anonymous said...
Cronin to be released, right ear was reattached, striking driver had some sort of seizure?

No one should make fun of the mans disability. Some of you people are spineless.

9/19/2005 01:01:10 PM

Anonymous said...
was the crowd trying to get into the dead guys vehicle?

105ht street was covered with empty bottles, broken glass everywhere.

some one put a rip empty bottle of cognac at scene.

another night in the jungle. I heard guy ran after the wagon trying to get to the dead victim.

it was mayhem according to p/os I
talked too, who relieved me on afternoons.

9/19/2005 01:07:32 PM

9/21/2005 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only a handful of bosses have balls, the rest are all pussies!

9/22/2005 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got news for all of you... who gives a rats ass about the crime scene...the victim... his family... some mutt gang banger gets offed!!!! GREAT!!!!!!!!! Family wants to act the fool!!!! Even better!!! All that should matter is protecting our own. Let em burn the crime scene for all I care...less for the dicks to work work on. Do we really care about solving this murder! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! It doesn't matter. The victim is a piece of shit and finally got what has been coming for too long. We'll save our time and effort for the innocent victims and there families.

9/22/2005 07:03:00 AM  
Anonymous NorthSide said...

A humble and general suggestion.

Outdoor gangbanger (fatal)shootings in Fillmo' (011) circa riotous late '60's.

In the extremely rare instances where unavailability of sufficient police manpower can NOT adequately control a mob scene at an otherwise garden-variety outdoor homicide scene, immediately transport body by squadrol to nearest ER. Invariably pronounced DOA.

However, you can further justify immediate removal as a possible life-saving tactic (even if the vic's head was blown off-toss remains of decapitated head in wagon also).

With today's technology, personal digital cameras with cellular phones, etc., take a few photos of vic for homicide dicks and Mobile Crime Lab prior to swift transport.

The prompt removal of body from scene usually suppresses crowd "rage". Fuck TV, CSI, etc. This is REAL life and DEATH.

Process remaining scene, cartridge casings, etc. minus vic. If vic down on pavement, you can even use the TV "chalk outline" bullshit.

In essence, use not-so-common "common sense".

9/22/2005 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger Fenian28 said...

Too funny Bureau of Operational Services!

9/23/2005 02:06:00 AM  

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