Guns
We've been noticing a bit of static in the comments of one of our previous posts concerning the gun "seizure" on the northwest side. Some people are saying they agree with us. Some are taking the Gun Team to task for their actions. Some are saying that these are the rules and we enforce them regardless. Here's a little thought on the subject:
How many of these guns (and we can go back to the other Area gun team seizures of recent months) were ever used in a crime? How many were used in drive-bys? How many killed 13 year old girls or 15 year old boys? Probably none.
And don't try the tired old arguments that each of these guns represented a "potential" shooting or mass murder. Every automobile out there represents a potential hit and run and we aren't confiscating every single car off the street.
Last time we checked, the 011th District was leading the City in homicides and 51st Street had the Area title well in hand. Wouldn't that lead one to believe that there are TONS of unregistered guns somewhere nearby? Maybe resources ought to be directed that way? Misdemeanor "Failure to Register" arrests do nothing to alleviate the homicide rate.
Just our opinion.
How many of these guns (and we can go back to the other Area gun team seizures of recent months) were ever used in a crime? How many were used in drive-bys? How many killed 13 year old girls or 15 year old boys? Probably none.
And don't try the tired old arguments that each of these guns represented a "potential" shooting or mass murder. Every automobile out there represents a potential hit and run and we aren't confiscating every single car off the street.
Last time we checked, the 011th District was leading the City in homicides and 51st Street had the Area title well in hand. Wouldn't that lead one to believe that there are TONS of unregistered guns somewhere nearby? Maybe resources ought to be directed that way? Misdemeanor "Failure to Register" arrests do nothing to alleviate the homicide rate.
Just our opinion.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
86 Comments:
TO ANY VISITING ATTORNEYS,
I BELIEVE THAT A SECURITY OFFICER FILED SUIT AGAINST THE CITY OF CHICAGO AND WON SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THIS WAS IN RELATION TO THE HANDGUN REGISTRATION MUNICPAL ORDINANCE.
HE HAD A VALID FOID CARD, TAN CARD AND PERC CARD BUT NO CITY REGISTRATION.
SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO IN RELATION TO THE RESTORATION OF THE CITIZENS OF CHICAGO'S 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL GUN CLUBS, THE NRA AND THE ILLINOIS STATE RIFLE ASSOCIATION. NEVER SURRENDER YOUR RIGHTS AND NEVER BE USED AS A PAWN OF THE OPPRESSOR.
POLITICIANS FEAR ARMED CITIZENS!!!
UNARMED CITIZENS ARE SUBJECTS!!!
AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY.
GOD,GUNS AND GUTS MADE AMERICA...
AMERICA IS STILL SPELLED AMERICA NOT AMERIKA...
FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!!!
IF YOU ENJOY YOUR FREEDOM THANK A VET...
For those of you who have gun safes. In 025 last year or so they hit a home where the guy had an expired F.F.L. He had numerous guns in a safe. A call was made to the manufacturer of the safe for the combo (since the owner refused) And it was given to them over the phone. So if you have one of these safes, please remove the manufacturers name and serial# from it or face the same fate.......
It's all about heads& seizures Amigo. Isn't that right all District gang& tactical teams with your pimpy 1 bag weed arrests "Gots to keep my spot". Pathetic.
Every hear about self-worth& integrity?
Or does the spine no longer exist?
Failure to register. Do not kid yourself- these gun teams have hit retired firemen, retired cops, & just plain old everyday working men & women who do not sell guns to gangbangers- but do not agree with the NEO NAZI gun registration laws in this city -which are agains FEDERAL LAW. But its DALEYs world and he does what he wants. THIS SHIT SHOULD STOP! So getting some scared white guy to turn in his guns is easier then going after the west side murdering thug......FUCK this city & this Dept. Where are the bosses ? They should of never let this happen.
how did they get a warrant/ any informant see them at that location?
Modern Day CPD:
Hair Gel CAGE PO; is this IAD while on the PAX.
IAD; Yes sir, how may I help you?
Hair Gel CAGE PO; Comrade have information from top secret CI about huge arsenal of 10 unregistered guns at 11th District coppers house.
IAD; Excellent Comrade,City Council (Politburo) will be thrilled. This will move you into great favor with the party and you shall receive promotion for such great merit. I notify Comrade Chief Phat Man about such good intelligence work. We must let Pravda (Chicago Tribune)know.
Hair Gel CAGE PO; Please dispatch KGB (IAD/OPS)
IAD; This new philosophy of glasnot (CAPS) is so brilliant
Hair Gel CAGE PO; I do anything for the party, we must learn to spell AmeriKa correctly comrade
IAD; if only Stalin could "SNUFF OUT" all the dissidents (SCC & SCC readers/contributors)
I feel so powerful and exhilirated when I kick open the door on a law abiding citizens house and trample their civil liberties while seizing their firearms
Its better than sex and the admiration I get from the brass makes me feel so important.
Knowing that I am making a quasi-criminal,PETTY ARREST is cool.
I just don't get why my coworkers and citizens make fun of me. I really do feel powerful, CAGE is so fucking badass, almost like being a SEAL.
"SANDBAGGING" is one thing. It's just wrong.
But any so-called police who would arrest an otherwise law-abiding citizen with a valid or recently expired FOID card for just "failing to register" should be laughed off the job.
And to execute a search warrant for same is just plain shameless stupidity.
For shame, you big pussies!
Gun debate aside, MY guns are registered. So is my car and my dog. No doubt in my mind this guy knew the law, and he's not getting any sympathy from me. Please don't say that we should now let people with no license plates drive with impunity through the city.
King Ritchie, Jesse Jetstream, "Father" Pfleger and all those mailorder Revs can bitch & moan & point the finger of blame at the 2nd Amend all they want.
What you will NOT see them doing: talking openly about the 80% illigitimate birthrate in many areas of Chi, or the 70% high school dropout rate. Sperm-donor "fathers" who have no hand in raising their kids. Rampant drug and alcohol abuse, fueling a gigantic underground economy of criminal activity. Street gangs whose members number in the TENS of THOUSANDS, along with whole areas and neighborhoods of trash-littered & vandalized property.
The freaking guns are not the cause of what goes down in these areas, only a symptom of the much larger disease...the mindset & attitudes of the PEOPLE living in these trashed sh*tholes.
A large gun number of guns seized is news. News is what the politicians thrive on. With the news reporting raid on teachers home recovers 26 guns, WOW those coppers are doing their job, and that mayor is really on the ball. Once again boys and girls, smoke and mirrors. If the puplic knew (or belived)the truth this city would have had a different mayor 16 yrs ago. Bull Shit bull shit, nothing else comes out of city hall. Advice to you young coppers, try glomming onto a gun thats attached to a felon seconds after he's stuck someone up. It's a bigger hardon than a raid on some working man's home and taking his civil war collection.
There is a ban on high-cap mags and the weapons that use them in Cook County. This means that cops can't have these either if not duty related. So go cry elsewhere about your guns, cops.
you might be over reaching on the subject.
NOT THAT YOU ARE WRONG BUT, OFFICERS ARE NOT KNOWN FOR THEIR ADVANCE LOGIC THINKING. THE PROOF OF THIS IS THAT PSCH. TEST THEY GIVE CANIDATES FOR THE DEPARTMENT. REMEBER THIS QUESTION "IF YOUR ORDERED TO DO SOMETHING YOU BELIEVE IS WRONG WHAT WOULD YOU DO." THE RIGHT ANSWER IS DO WHAT I AM ORDERED TO DO.
MOST OFFICERS HAVE NO CLUE WHAT AN UNLAWFUL ORDER IS AND ALWAYS LOVE TO BLAME THEIR SUPERVISOR FOR THOSE ORDERS...
THE STORY I HEARD WAS A GUN BOX WITH A SERIAL NUMBER COMING BACK TO THIS NW SIDE GUY TURNED UP ON AN AREA 4 SEARCH WARRANT.
THE GANG BANGER ARRESTED IN THAT WARRANT INDICATED THEY BUY GUNS FROM THIS GUY AND AFTER THEY USE THEM, THEY SELL THEM BACK TO HIM AND HE SELLS THEM TO VARIOUS GUN SHOPS.
THEY ARE STILL WORKING THE INVESTIGATION AND HOPE TO TURN UP WITH A GUN THAT WAS USED IN A SHOOTING OR HOMICIDE.
THAT'S THE STORY I HEARD; NO IDEA IF IT'S TRUE.
This is the same nonsense that you get when someone wants to strut around at a DOC meeting trying to impress the Bosses ( and it works). Area 4 Gun Team- get on the intranet and look at their seizures in 010 and 011 where there is a slight problem with people killing each other. ( usually gang members). Go ahead and take a look at what they do in 010 and 011.
Once again SCC, your giving a forum for these nazi and otherwise racist coppers to show thier true colors.....If this raid had taken place in 007 or 011 districts, the gun team coppers would have been applauded for the fine work but since it happened in 016 (Oh No, not 016) all of a sudden, this old man's rights were violated. SCC, you are a asshole. Since when is it ok NOT to enforce the laws. I guess it will be ok until the old man's house gets burglarized and those guns end up in englewood. As long as the animals are killing each other, it's quite alright with you.....What an chicken shit post for a chicken shit blog(ger)
This is how ameriKKKa is really spelled....Just ask SCC
,,,,,,,AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY.........
You need to put more milk in your Froot Loops, we are an armed society, and we don't play well with others.
Please don't say that we should now let people with no license plates drive with impunity through the city.
6/29/2007 06:52:00 AM
Why not? The majority of P.O.'s let these people drive with suspended D/L's and no insurance anyway. Sorry, we're in a backlog no time for a TVB. We'll ticket(punish) the guy with the license because the boss wants numbers. So why not lock the guy up with the valid FOID card who doesn't believe in Daley World because the bosses want numbers. Besides it's easier to do that than have to chase then fight with the real criminals.
"We've been noticing a bit of static"; and keep up the heat SCC!
Nobody respects/loves Coppers more than me, but facism is facism!
Like the ASSHAT used to say: come to my house for my guns and the first thing out the window will be my badge!!!!
To the Gun Team PO's citywide:
You are wasting your time. For every gun you take off the street, multiple more come in.
Nothing you do can change that! Accept it.
You want to do something worthwhile? Join a robbery or burglary team.
you're comparing guns to cars? Are you kidding me? SCC I usually agree with you. But really, NO ONE needs a gun. I can make a better argument for NEEDING a car opposed to needing a gun. C'mon. You're logic is usually better than that.
And I believe 006 leads the city in homicides. Or they're tied with 011.
;)
S.C.C.,
A GUY I WAS IN THE ACADAMY WITH IS IN THAT GUN TEAM. I CAN HONESTLY SAY THE MEN ON THAT GUN TEAM HAVE NO CLOUT, AND MADE IT THERE FROM HARD WORK, I'M ON A BEAT AND HAVE WATCHED THE SAME OLD BULLSHIT, CLOUT HEAVY, ASSHOLES CLIMB THE RANKS. I SAW MY BUDDY IN 11 IN THE PARKING LOT AND TOLD HIM THAT HE MADE THE BLOG. "ITS ABOUT TIME.", HE SAID AND THEN TOLD ME THE STORY OF HOW THEY ENDED UP THERE.
THEY WERE EXECUTING A SEARCH WARRANT OF MULTIPLE SAFE HOUSES ON A COMPLETE GANGBANGIN' PIECE OF TRASH THEY RECOVERED 6 GUNS, MONEY, AND SOME ROCK(HE'S NOW BEING TRIED BY THE FED'S). 1 OF THE GUNS HOWEVER CAME BACK TO THIS DIPSHIT ON THE NORTHSIDE. MORE RESEARCH IS DONE, AND SOMETHING DOSEN'T SEEM RIGHT ABOUT THIS GUY. HE WILL REGULARLY BUY GUNS AND THEN RETURN THEM 1 WEEK OR 2 WEEKS LATER. MORE RESEARCH IS DONE. 2 YEARS AGO THIS SAME ASSHOLES GUN IS USED IN A HOMICIDE. HE CAN'T SHOW THE RECORDS FOR THE GUN AND HE CAN'T PRODUCE THE WEAPON. THESE ARE ALL THE INSTANCES THAT THE POLICE KNOW ABOUT. THIS GUYS A TRADESMAN, AND ANYONE WHO EVER WORK IN THE TRADES KNOWS IT STUFT TO THE GILLS WITH FELONS AND GANGBANGERS. SO THEY GO CHECK IT OUT. AND COME OUT WITH 26 GUNS. THIS ISNT A SECOND ADMENTMENT ISSUE. THIS IS A ISSUE OF A GUY MAKING AVAILIBLE GUNS THAT ENDED UP IN THE HANDS OF FELONS. IF THATS THE CASE, HE SHOULD GO TO JAIL. BEING A WHITE YUPPIE ON THE NORTH SIDE ISN'T A PASS TO SHIP GUNS TO THE WEST SIDE.
with all the gangs, murders and what not ,it is always good to pick on the average law abiding citizen, he is to afraid to say anything when he gets fucked over.... he will remember the police till he dies, that they suck and are afriad of the real criminals... lets see if he had any stolen guns.. not... so sad..
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights(not bill of collective rights,priveleges)
Guns are evil just ask our great leader DA MAYOR, who has armed police officers getting sergeants pay picking up his dry cleaning and wiping his ass. When the great riots begin like in L.A. post Rodney King and you are left with nothing remember your great gun teams,cage teams and mayor that saved your life from being shot. and yes unable to defend your home that is now ash. I recall one block in L.A that was saved by armed citizens when no police could be found. Where will the hero gun grabbers be then, most likely in a corner somewhere holding their balls and sobbing like little babies.
Just like Fois gras, the city should not be in the business of banning legal products. I this case handguns, which are perfectly legal to purchase in Illinois if you have a valid FOID card. The city will not allow regular citizens to register a handgun, so how can a citizen be charged with failure to register if the city wont let him? Just how is this firearm law valid? I know "Home rule". Well I think home rule is garbage and unconstitutional. I want the Area gun teams to go after criminals, not collectors.This was a waste of time and really an embarassment. I feel good when I disarm a gangmember or even just finding a gun on a dope spot, but to take away the firearms of an otherwise lawabiding citizen is embarassing. If this guy is a drug dealer or a gang member or a felon then I have no problem with it. But if this guy is just a working man with the lawful hobby of collecting and shooting,then I have a big problem with it and so should any judge worth his cloak. We have to go after the real criminals who run the streets shooting at each other and killing innocent bystanders but not invade regular citizens homes just to hold a press conference and show off a table full of guns and claim you really did something.
SCC said ...11th District leading the City in homicides 51st Street had the Area title well in hand. Maybe resources ought to be directed that way?
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This may be true and they should definitely direct resources that way, but what was wrong with having directed resources over on the northwest side to hit that asshole's house and take his weapons. Once again, f*ck him! Nothing is wrong with this. Too many assholes here ragging on other cops doing their job.
(OT)http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6252276.stm This will make you think about all the sancturay shit! The arabs are at it again in london are we next? The better question do we have a bomb squad big enough and with TRAINED experst or is it mostly full of clout babies that have no clue?
Anonymous said...
Failure to register. Do not kid yourself- these gun teams have hit retired firemen, retired cops, & just plain old everyday working men & women who do not sell guns to gangbangers- but do not agree with the NEO NAZI gun registration laws in this city -which are agains FEDERAL LAW. But its DALEYs world and he does what he wants. THIS SHIT SHOULD STOP! So getting some scared white guy to turn in his guns is easier then going after the west side murdering thug......FUCK this city & this Dept. Where are the bosses ? They should of never let this happen.
6/29/2007 12:40:00 AM
THE PRESSURE IS ON NOW THEY THE POWERS THAT BE DEMASCULATED SOS AND OTHER UNITS! TIME FOR THE PIMP ARRESTS WHICH ARE NOTHING BUT MEANING LESS BULLSHIT WITH CLOUT BABIES CARRYING THE WATER! GREAT JOB CAGE WHAT A BUNCH OF JAGOFFS!
While I agree with the theory,that this was a pimpy arrest that isn't likely to reduce violent crime at all,it doesn't really matter.Look at all the bullshit,harmless crimes that people get locked up for everyday.Most PCS cases are a joke,the residue ones are an unfunny joke.DOPW??I can't have a fucking beer in my hand in front of my house.Going to visit a relative in the projects?Automatic trespassing arrest in the hands of some pathetic tac jags.Playing dominos for a buck a game?I've seen tac assholes bring this shit in and get charges of gambling.Buying or selling pussy?How harmful is that?Plenty of chumps get locked up and get the ride impounded.So yeah,the gun collector was pimped.Its the Chicago way!!
I read the paper on this last night. It appears that the gun owner had a gun, that was registered to himself, turn up in a warrant in the 15th district about 2 months ago. It wasn't a matter of looking up unregistered firearms in some data base (I'm not sure if that's even possible.).I'll admit that I'm not a big fan of everyone having a gun, but if this "collector's" guns are turning up in the hands of violent felons how do you not follow the investigation back to the source of the gun. I do think that the gun laws are a bit nuts, however, you should be held responible if you're arming criminals. I think it was good police work and not a which hunt.
The law is the law. we al should be robocops. lock up the next alderman you see!
Why is the "offender" living in Chicago???????? You can have all the guns you want almost anywhere else!
Speaking of guns, when was the last time the Area three gun team recovered a gun with a head(arrest)? The king of police must not be that great of a motivator!!!
Just a question here. What are we supposed to do with our guns when we retire? They're already registered. If they're hitting retired coppers houses, then we all know this is about the bucks to City Hall every year. But since we can carry during retirement this changes the equation.
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Your guns are registered for free and don't have to be re-registered every year. Wait until you retire then your time will come.Then you might forget to re-register or just not have the money after you pay to get qualified to carry thanks to the Mayor and Fat Phil. Now explain how you compare quasi criminal gun registration and dog licenses to having plates on your car? Read the comments on this blog and you will find some P.O.'s defending the action of search warrants for failure to register.Makes it easy to understand how Hitler got police officers and soldiers to slaughter millions of innocents. Regardless of what you think about"I have to register so does he" you better start asking yourselves how is a judge and an ASA signing a search warrant for quasi criminal violations? Want to bet these warrants are not for that? Want to bet these warrants are based on bullshit false info that after the fact the gun unit can not prove? The average citizen can not afford to fight the drawn out court battle so gives up the guns on failure to register. If those of you who support this kind of bullshit want to call yourselves the police go right ahead but when this same mentality comes after you for some "trumped up" charges and department bullshit you will finally know how the average citizen feels. You know what,you will not have the money to fight the bullshit charges either and it will be you and yours slandered and wrongfully accused.
more stupid talk from a bunch of you who don't know the true story behind the seizure and sadly are willing to assume the very worst about your fellow officers. in response I have a few points:
1) these guys on this gun team are not "pussies" as one poster insists but good police officers
2) The person from whom the guns were seized is not just a "collecter". Ask around about what some the guns registered to him have been linked to and where they have been turning up.
I can assure you.....the Area One gun team isn't on that kind of bullshit.
A shout out to all the 8th. Dist coppers in the 10 sector who tried to avoid assisting a P.O.s wife, until called out by a Sergeant in 007! One was two blocks away on a stolen bike caper, another went down on a hand waver and a third on a children's fight. Nice work you fucking dogs!
I agree with you 100% SCC. As I have said before, why does a gun team from Area 2 or the other areas have to sandbag firemen and other people who live in areas 1 & 5? Guess it is easier to hit some guy in 016 or the west end of 008 than find any illegal weapons or crime in Areas 2 or 4. And before the gun team defenders critize me and or call me out, I have worked in so called "agressive" units. I would be ashamed and embarrased to do what they do.
www.nevergetbusted.com = traitor
guns don't kill people, people kill people. it's the reckless savage pulling the trigger you should be mad at or blaming.
cook county courts and jails are a big part of the problem. probation, super duper probation, down grading, reducing sentences, dropping the intent or 1000 ft rule, etc...
if you want to bring the hammer down. make the laws regarding uuw by convicted felon or when a gun is used in a crime more strict. don't punish the 100 of thousands of good citizens that live here in this shit hole city.
:NOW FOR THIS STATEMENT: >
Failure to register. Do not kid yourself- these gun teams have hit retired firemen, retired cops, & just plain old everyday working men & women who do not sell guns to gangbangers- but do not agree with the NEO NAZI gun registration laws in this city -which are agains FEDERAL LAW. But its DALEYs world and he does what he wants. THIS SHIT SHOULD STOP! So getting some scared white guy to turn in his guns is easier then going after the west side murdering thug......FUCK this city & this Dept. Where are the bosses ? They should of never let this happen.
6/29/2007 12:40:00 AM
Hey man, don't include everybody and every gun team. We aint all like that, trust me. Be more specific please if you're going to bad mouth gun teams.
God Bless The Workn' Police. Stay Safe!
Contract Expired Yet Again... I have to go and lube my ass hole up so daley can fuck me again. Bye!
In the UK thier are no privately held handguns, they were banned after Dunblane. Can you guess who handed in thier firearms and who didn't.
There is no need for a citizen in Chicago to have tham many weapons period. A 'collector' argument is valid if they fall under as a collectible gun- which many of these were not. Many were low cost, poorly manufactured pistols-- and are ILLEGAL in the city of Chicago. If you don't have to live in the city and want guns? MOVE! its that simple. Pimpy warrant? meaybe-- but fuck him and his gun collection- it doesn't serve a purpose. And dont start the "Well-- he is a collector-- he likes guns! let him collect them. its just a collection.!" Hey-- I collect things too, but nothing I collect can be stoled from my house, sold to a thug and used to kill somebody. Not all of those guns were safely stored away from a home invasion. MINE ARE.
HEY THE GUN TEAM IS GREAT! we get early ducks, work in c/d and most of the time they hold our slips. we used to trade dope for guns but seince that became a big NO-NO we work with ATFE's data base and hit the homes of taxpayers. it's safer, easier and although ineffective against real crime, keeps the gun team gravy train going.
later dude.
SCC--Amen! You wrote exactly what I was thinking. You must be psychic!!!!!!
If what I heard is right, six guys got dumped from SOS for getting a gun off the street, but they did not follow procedure???? I heard the gun was a recovery from some information they received from some bangers in a stolen car. I am not sure of all the facts. Maybe someone can enlighten all of us so we don't get caught in a trick bag. Thanks and go home safe.
typicsl of the left - wing agenda of the perpetrator cops, and the Nazi agenda of City Hall beaurocrats. Why aren't the gun teams out in the gang and drug infested neighborhoods of our city 100%? There's the problem.. Because it's easier to sand-bag some citizen on a bullshit ordinance than to deal with the REAL problem. Just like our so called Reverends, and corrupt politicians, City, County, and State, once again, taking the easy way out, to show the phoney recovered guns numbers to the lemming public, not showing how many B.S. anti-2nd Amendment seizures they have pulled off. Hope they're all proud of themselves for those great arrests of law-abiding citizens, and the confiscation of their legal firearms. Zig Heil to them all, it's one of the most unAmerican things ever, going on right in our own city, compliments of the City Hall Fuhrer & Co..
someone should bef to the Feds as to how can a crap City ordinance have presidence over the U.S. Constitution. Then someone should sue the livin shit out of this liberal suckhole city, and the Mayor also, for punative damages and violation of Civil Rights guarenteed under the 2nd Amendment. Fuck these panderin fuck bean-counters at City Hall Gestapo H.Q.
I'm calling Fox News about this. Hopefully a story coming up on Chicago and its Nazi tactics on gun confiscation, running over national news, real soon, including interviews with some of the law-abiding victims. .
6/29/2007 07:45:00 AM
OK, Mr. Lawyer. You are right that there is a county ban on high capacity magazines and certain firearms. But, Mr. Lawyer, didn't you learn about a thing called jurisdiction in law school?
Cook County ordinances are only enforceable in UN-INCORPORATED areas of Cook County. Last time I checked Chicago was incorporated almost 150 years ago. So, you are either incredibly old and forgetful, or just stupid.
The book, More Guns, Less Crime by professor John Lott should be manditory reading for every police officer in the US.
This guy really gets it right.
Maybe someone could read it to lil mayor Daffy.
Nothing confuses and confounds liberals more than facts!
A question: Just what is the purpose of gun registration? (A) Is it to aid law enforcement in some fashion? (B)Is it to ensure only law abiding people possess firearms? (C) Is it a system to return to the lawful owner, any firearm lost or stolen? Or is it (D) just a nuisance that if not followed, allows the city to seize firearms?
Answer boys and girls: D.
To purchase and possess a firearm in this state, the individual must have a valid F.O.I.D. card issued by the Illinois State Police. Which is nothing more than a license to own a firearm. This is in contrast to the 2nd amendment, but most people don't complain. After all, the fee is $5 for five years, and it's not a hard item to receive...provided you're a law abiding citizen. Once obtained, you can own and purchase firearms.
Gun registration is unnecessary, unless you want to chip away at an individual's right to own a firearm. The gungrabbers talk about sensible gun control, but try to pin them down and define what sensible gun control is. Most have no idea, or will be up front and admit they just want to ban all guns.
Banning all guns would work well if there were no people in the world. But unfortunately, people are just no damn good. Throughout the history of man, bad people take whatever they want and do whatever they will against the good. Those good people who have no means to defend themselves are at the mercy of the bad.
But here is the great equalizer, the firearm. In the hands of a good person, it protects the innocent. It ensures freedom. If not for firearms, this country would never have gotten off the ground.
But then you have the bleeding hearts, the pacifists who believe that mankind is good at heart. Well, man does have a good streak, but there are still those who will do what they want to whomever they wish. You cannot reason with them, or legislate correct thinking. You can only protect yourself.
Gangbangers shoot with impunity, not even having enough good sense to keep from being caught. That my friends is the problem. And it will continue to be the problem, no matter what gun laws are enacted or how many weapons are taken away from law abiding citizens. The willingness to kill another is the problem. Removing the gun won't stop that willingness.
And that's for real.
When all the "heroes" are through home invading taxpayers and shitting on their constitutional rights than bragging about taking guns off the street they can start waiting outside businesses and jack up the owner when he is leaving for the day. Oh yeah, Tac teams already have the market on that. They could take some man power and work on burglary's. No they might have to confront a bad guy.
What radicals did Cline agree with recently? May be when he retires he can demonstrate with them against the owner of gun shops outside of Chicago. He has lost my admiration. There was no need for him giving them his support.
While I agree with the theory,that this was a pimpy arrest that isn't likely to reduce violent crime at all,it doesn't really matter.Look at all the bullshit,harmless crimes that people get locked up for everyday.Most PCS cases are a joke,the residue ones are an unfunny joke.DOPW??I can't have a fucking beer in my hand in front of my house.Going to visit a relative in the projects?Automatic trespassing arrest in the hands of some pathetic tac jags.Playing dominos for a buck a game?I've seen tac assholes bring this shit in and get charges of gambling.Buying or selling pussy?How harmful is that?Plenty of chumps get locked up and get the ride impounded.So yeah,the gun collector was pimped.Its the Chicago way!!
6/29/2007 11:09:00 AM
So basically, your a fan of smoking/selling rocks, drinking in the streets, buying pussy, and gambling all in your neighborhood.
In essence you would like the ghetto to remain as such. Anarchy is what every shit bag in every ghetto wants, and you too. Do you work in the lockup?
Let's see. Some claim it was a gun box found on a warrant and gangbangers buy then use the gun then sell back to this guy. Others claim guns bought then sold then bought and then sold again. Nice being a former tradesman and knowing many,I now know thanks to this guy (10:16am)that tradesmen are scumbags. Hey genius in all your bullshit story from your academy buddy tell us where there is grounds for a search warrant? Hey 11:13am where is the good police work and the probable cause for the warrant in that bullshit story? Hey 2;06pm you must be a gun appraiser on the side seems you know collectibles so well. You must be a real good copper thinking that anything that can be stolen and fall into bad guys hands is illegal. Not to mention you seem to know how this guy stored his guns I personally know a "victim" of a gun team search warrant and know for a fact the gun team obtained the warrant based on totally false information. They have cost this person untold amounts of legal fees. He also faces the loss of his personal property legally owned in the State of Illinois but because of lapsed registration quasi criminally owned in the City of Chicago.Hopefully when his case is dismissed he will find lawyers to handle the civil rights suit. Now spare us all from your defense of these search warrants done by these gun teams. A firearm you once owned turning up in a felon's possession or used in a crime does not make you a criminal who is subject to a search warrant. You need to explain why and how this happened but it sure is not grounds for a search warrant. Knowing the lies told to obtain search warrants by these units and knowing the get heads mentality of the bosses makes it hard to believe any of these warrants done by gun teams are even remotely legit. Just hope that they are stopped soon before an innocent person gets shot on one of their warrants, remember the 92 year old lady in Atlanta killed by the police? Sure does make one proud to be a member of this department, YEAH RIGHT!
6/29
8:47am
Talk about chicken shit. You might be as dumb as chicken shit the guy was in his 40's not some old man.Can you comprehend anything you hear or read????? Chicken shit is guys like you thinking people can't have guns because they "might" get burglarized and the guns "might" end up in Englewood. As far as SCC and your fellow po's being nazi and racist coppers just who are you referring to when you say'"As long as the animals are killing each other, it's quite alright with you....." Who is the racist asshole??????
anyone know the tally for each district in homicides?
SCC & fellow bloggers;
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You will need a big box of tissues
Oh Yes THE AREA 3 GUN TEAM is the king of all kings on the early duck. Just sit in 019 parking lot and see for yourself. Not just the P.O.s either. When your a P.O. in 019 its a slap in our face. The saturation team is no better.
Look- This GUY is LEGIT. I know- I work with these guys that hit the house. The problem is that they have a ATF agent assigned to them & when someone in Chicago buys a gun & the FTIP is called in -the ATF's friend in the Il State Police gives him a call and they check the purchasers background to see how many purchases he or she has made. They then check to see if any of the purchases that have been made have been registered. The gun team then does a consent to search & WALA"! One arrest for failing to register! Every Area gun team has a ATF THUG working in conjubction with them. These gun teams have NO training like the "CAGE" team does! NO TRAINING! They are just another Tact/Gang team!
To: 6/29/2007 07:45:00 AM
You are dead wrong.
A Cook County ordinance is enforceable anywhere in the county, whether incorporated or not.
The Cook County Sheriff's jurisdiction is not eliminated through incorporation of a municapility. While the Sheriff may choose not to enforce the ordinance, nothing under the statutes prevents him from doing so.
- A different lawyer
The new Prime Minister of England has already been tested by terrorists, after 2 car bombs were discovered in downtown London.
Luckily both were disarmed before they could be detonated, where they surely could have killed HUNDREDS of citizens.
England is now on HIGH alert.
New York city is on HIGH alert. In fact, downtown their officers look like soldiers. They are wearing flack jackets, riot gear, and are sporting what looked like MP-5 machine guns.In essence, they are trying to be somewhat prepared for anything! At least they spent their "homeland security funds" wisely.
Chicago NO ALERT. Caps police downtown on segways. Taste of chicago operating as usual (all extra officers trying to reunite lost children with their irresponsible, inattentive PARENT) while Akmed and the "sleeper cell" plan.
The Mayor and Cline reassure the public that all is well and that we aren't a target. How do they know? Oh, that's right, Byrnes' "clout baby" daughter said so!
WE ARE SO FUCKED!
But the city follows county bans on weapons. So this means no high cap mags or the weapons that use them in Chicago too! So go stick that m-4 (car-15) style rifle where the sun don't shine.
6/29
9:37pm
Where does the search warrant come in? Just because the firearm was bought does not mean the city resident keeps the firearm in the city. Pretty thin grounds for a search warrant. If this is true then ATF and ISP are doing some serious violating of law abiding citizens civil rights. Someday soon the truth to all this will come out and some dumb ass coppers are gonna cost us and the city lots of money and hopefully they will get fired and get indicted for this bullshit. Reminds me of some years back the "crack" "elite" gun team, the one with O'Grady on it, would sit at gun ranges outside the city and run license plates. Then when city residents left the gun range they would follow them into the city and put a stop on them. Lot's of really good failure to register arrests made by those "heroes" Thanks you Fat Fuck Phil for more bullshit clout baby units and teams that will never make a real arrest.
Does anyone recall the case of Vernon Jarett?
Vernon was a nationally syndicated African American, liberal columnist that was published in the Chicago Sun Times. Vernon Jarett resided in a high crime city that had a total ban on handgun ownership, Washington D.C. Sound familiar?
Vernon Jarett was RABIDLY ANTI-GUN and utilized his media position to espouse the evils of gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment. Vernon hated the NRA and was held to high stature by Handgun Control Inc.
Well one day a teenager trespassed onto Vernon's property and went for a swim in his swimming pool. Vernon decided to confront this felonious criminal and in the process grabbed his unregistered handgun. Vernon shot the trespasser in the arm without justification. If I recall correctly a teenage boy going pool hopping.
Bottomline is Mr. Anti-Gun possessed an unregistered illegal handgun and shot an innocent teenager. This outrage received received almost NO MEDIA attention.
One more case of DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO.
This also points out the fact that he was a total hypocrit with no knowledge of the law or familiarization with firearms. What a perfect spokesperson to promote outlawing guns. NOT
The liberals and their cohorts are subverting the USA.
Please do not aid them by depriving law abiding citizens of their constitutional rights.
Join the NRA today, one of the greatest friends of law enforcement nationally.
Anonymous said...
SCC said ...11th District leading the City in homicides 51st Street had the Area title well in hand. Maybe resources ought to be directed that way?
I would be willing to bet not only is 51rst St leading the city in murders but unsolved murders as well.
I will bet that these condescending mother fucking detectives have the lowest computer golfs scores.
Fuck the murders and the shooting until this fucking city hires some detectives
Anonymous said...
A shout out to all the 8th. Dist coppers in the 10 sector who tried to avoid assisting a P.O.s wife, until called out by a Sergeant in 007! One was two blocks away on a stolen bike caper, another went down on a hand waver and a third on a children's fight. Nice work you fucking dogs!
6/29/2007 12:06:00 PM
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fuck u u lil cry baby i was the first car on scene and the po's wife wasnt even where she said she was. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
6/29/2007 11:15:00 PM
You are an idiot. You must have purchased your (supposed) J.D. online.
Come lock us up. Please try!
signed
-a working P.O.
with a J.D. from N.U. willing to back every non-ignorant member up.
No one has hit a retired copper, you are spreading bs because you know no better.
Anonymous said...
HEY THE GUN TEAM IS GREAT! we get early ducks, work in c/d and most of the time they hold our slips. we used to trade dope for guns but seince that became a big NO-NO we work with ATFE's data base and hit the homes of taxpayers. it's safer, easier and although ineffective against real crime, keeps the gun team gravy train going.
later dude.
6/29/2007 02:13:00 PM
I'M SORRY BUT WHAT THE FLYING FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHICH GUN TEAM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S DEFINATELY NOT THE ONE I WORK ON. AGAIN, ANOTHER DUMMY INCLUDING EVERYBODY AS A WHOLE. BE MORE SPECIFIC MAN! WE WORK FULL TOURS, NEVER HAD A FUCKING SLIP HELD "EVER", YEAH WE WORK IN C/D CORN HOLE. OUR STATS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. AND FOR YOUR FUCKING INFORMATION, WE DON'T HIT FAIL TO REGISTER TAX PAYERS HOMES OR GUN DEALERS OR COLLECTORS SO AGAIN BE MORE SPECIFIC WHICH GUN TEAM YOUR SPEAKING OF. JEALOUSY AND ONE BEING UNINFORMED OFTEN LEADS ONE TO SAY THINGS ONE DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TRUE FACTS ON.
anyone know the tally for each district in homicides?
6/29/2007 09:21:00 PM
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002 - 9
003 - 13
004 - 11
005 - 16
006 - 23
007 - 22
008 - 9
010 - 11
011 - 22
012 - unk
013 - 2
014 - 4
015 - 11
016 - unk
017 - unk
018 - 1
019 - 1
020 - unk
021 - unk
022 - unk
023 - unk
024 - unk
025 - unk
sorry i forgot all the 20 districts homicides. i'll look it up tomorrow
So basically, your a fan of smoking/selling rocks, drinking in the streets, buying pussy, and gambling all in your neighborhood.
In essence you would like the ghetto to remain as such. Anarchy is what every shit bag in every ghetto wants, and you too. Do you work in the lockup?
6/29/2007 08:42:00 PM
Are you schizophrenic?Where in my post did you see me advocating any of this behavior?Anarchy??I really don't think you understand that term or concept either.Listen up ,little sparky,and I'll try to teach you something.Something simple,hope you get it.In the "ghetto" drinking,getting high,gambling and fucking are the least of the neighborhoods problems.The law abiding shmuck who happens to keep weapons in the house for defense,isn't really a problem.In "ghettos"people get shot,killed,robbed,raped.......theres things called violent crimes and property crimes.....are you starting to catch on now?And no Princess,I don't work the lock up,but if you're the one that always brings in six broken down,smelly,diseased bums all drinking one bottle of beer,mangy crackheads for possesion of crack pipe,or kids pitching quarters for gambling,your lock up owes you one hell os a beating.
Why not? The majority of P.O.'s let these people drive with suspended D/L's and no insurance anyway. Sorry, we're in a backlog no time for a TVB. We'll ticket(punish) the guy with the license because the boss wants numbers. So why not lock the guy up with the valid FOID card who doesn't believe in Daley World because the bosses want numbers. Besides it's easier to do that than have to chase then fight with the real criminals.
.........Can't agree with you there. We ticket violators and tow cars their cars by the hundreds every day. I would like to think we do that not because we're afraid the boss will say something, but because we don't want some uninsured, unlicensed jagbag to t-bone one of our loved ones with his unregistered car. As for the valid FOID card, what does that have to do with anything? Handguns have been illegal for 25 years in this town. This guy knew that, too bad for him. If you're in love with the guy that much, find out who he is, and take up a collection for him.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
A shout out to all the 8th. Dist coppers in the 10 sector who tried to avoid assisting a P.O.s wife, until called out by a Sergeant in 007! One was two blocks away on a stolen bike caper, another went down on a hand waver and a third on a children's fight. Nice work you fucking dogs!
6/29/2007 12:06:00 PM
WHAT HAPPENED? TELL US SOME FACTS!
Be an NRA member if for no other reason than Daley absolutely hates that organization.
If Daleys against it you know it must be a good group.
You can join on line!
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fuck u u lil cry baby i was the first car on scene and the po's wife wasnt even where she said she was. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
6/30/2007 02:10:00 AM
Well then, you are completely justified in being a dog ass! The ren sector of 8 Is notorious for doing nothing. You are still a huge fucking jagoff for trying to blow off a cops family, even if the incident ended up being bullshit.
I HAVE NO FRIENDS, NO LIFE AND I'M TO SCARED TO WORK THE STREET SO I WORK INSIDE (PROBABLY ON A RANGE) AND COLLECT GUNS. IT'S REALLY A GREAT PAST TIME FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN GO TO GUN SHOWS AND GUN SHOPS AND TALK A BIG GAME. I MAKE THE PEOPLE AT THESE PLACES A LOT OF MONEY, SO THEY ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LISTEN TO ALL MY B.S. IT SOUNDS FUNNY TO SAY, BUT I FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT SOME OF MY LARGER GUNS THAT I THINK OF THEM AS PART OF MY "ANATOMY". NOW I HERE THAT THESE EVIL GUN TEAMS ARE GOING OUT AND STRIPPPING OTHER COLLECTORS OF THEIR BEAUTIFUL GUNS. SINCE THERE IS NO WAY THAT I CAN TALK POLICE WORK WITH REAL COPPERS, I COME TO THIS BLOG, AS DO MANY OTHER COWARDS, AND TALK TRASH ABOUT THEIR WORK. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO DO AN INVESTIGATIOIN SO THE FACT THAT THIS "COLLECTOR" HAD TWO OF HIS GUNS SHOW UP ON THE WEST SIDE(WHERE I WILL NOT TREAD) IN SEPERATE INCIDENTS MUST BE A LIE. AND SINCE THIS "COLLECTOR" LIVES ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE, WHERE I OVERPAID FOR MY SHOEBOX OF A HOUSE & AND SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY TO HAVE IT LOOK LIKE MY RETARDED NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, I MUST CONTINUE TO STATE THAT THEY ARE TOO SCARED TO ARREST GANGBANGERS. I MUST GO NOW AS MY GUNS NEED A LUBIN'
To the person who likes to spout off that "Nobody Needs....." Look genious, This is still the United States of America. Citizens of this country have Rights.The Rights are self evident and not granted by any govornment, not even this mayor.Nowhere in our Constitution does it state that a citizen must show a "need" for anything, that would be found in the communist manifesto. You have no right to tell anyone what they need or do not need. This doesn't just apply to the gun issue either,you also don't have any right to tell citizens what car they can buy, where or who to worship,what to say or think,or even what clothes to wear. Some day you may see the light, untill then, shove your socialist views up your ass.
As of Saturday Morning, 006 was leading the city in Homicides. Way to go Gresham Rangers! We B # 1
To the person who likes to spout off that "Nobody Needs....." Look genious, This is still the United States of America. Citizens of this country have Rights.The Rights are self evident and not granted by any govornment, not even this mayor.Nowhere in our Constitution does it state that a citizen must show a "need" for anything, that would be found in the communist manifesto. You have no right to tell anyone what they need or do not need. This doesn't just apply to the gun issue either,you also don't have any right to tell citizens what car they can buy, where or who to worship,what to say or think,or even what clothes to wear. Some day you may see the light, untill then, shove your socialist views up your ass.
6/30/2007 02:56:00 PM
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Glad someone paid attention to what I said. However, didn't understand a single word I said. Now, reread what I said. Comprehend it for a minute. Then respond to me without telling me to "shove it up my ass." And talk to me like you would want another PO to talk to you.
Anonymous said...
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fuck u u lil cry baby i was the first car on scene and the po's wife wasnt even where she said she was. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
6/30/2007 02:10:00 AM
Well then, you are completely justified in being a dog ass! The ren sector of 8 Is notorious for doing nothing. You are still a huge fucking jagoff for trying to blow off a cops family, even if the incident ended up being bullshit.
6/30/2007 11:38:00 AM
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no one blew off a cops wife we were there w/i minutes and she wasnt there-u all forget bts 811 and 812 are bigger than the whole 007th dist so fuck u
OK, I reread your post."There is no NEED for a citizen of chicago, blah blah,blah,if it falls under collectable,blah,don't like it move,blah,blah,ETC."I stand on my original point as I fully understood your arguemnt. You sir, are a socialist.You know where to deposit your views.
since when can a search warrant be issued for violation of a City Ordinance? Only in Crook County, if that's what's going on.
While I agree with the theory,that this was a pimpy arrest that isn't likely to reduce violent crime at all,it doesn't really matter.Look at all the bullshit,HARMLES crimes that people get locked up for everyday.Most PCS cases are a joke,the residue ones are an unfunny joke.DOPW??I can't have a fucking beer in my hand in front of my house.Going to visit a relative in the projects?Automatic trespassing arrest in the hands of some pathetic tac jags.Playing dominos for a buck a game?I've seen tac assholes bring this shit in and get charges of gambling.Buying or selling pussy?How harmful is that?Plenty of chumps get locked up and get the ride impounded.So yeah,the gun collector was pimped.Its the Chicago way!!
6/29/2007 11:09:00 AM
Are you schizophrenic?Where in my post did you see me advocating any of this behavior?Anarchy??I really don't think you understand that term or concept either.Listen up ,little sparky,and I'll try to teach you something.Something simple,hope you get it.In the "ghetto" drinking,getting high,gambling and fucking are the least of the neighborhoods problems.The law abiding shmuck who happens to keep weapons in the house for defense,isn't really a problem.In "ghettos"people get shot,killed,robbed,raped.......theres things called violent crimes and property crimes.....are you starting to catch on now?And no Princess,I don't work the lock up,but if you're the one that always brings in six broken down,smelly,diseased bums all drinking one bottle of beer,mangy crackheads for possesion of crack pipe,or kids pitching quarters for gambling,your lock up owes you one hell os a beating.
6/30/2007 08:56:00
For what? Oh yeah, doing my job. Making the lockup do their job, how dare I do such a thing. Yeah Guy, your a fucking superstar. You should have your own task force to drive down violent/property crimes. If you have ever thought about the cycle of crime it all leads back to the shit that you ADVOCATED letting slide in the GHETTO. Learn how to comprehend what you write. I hate seeing this motherfucker walk around the hood acting like the police ain't shit. It because of strokes like you. You'll see a gangster front you off, and then let it slide. Not me son, I going to stop that motherfucker and take him to jail. And if for drinking or a bag of weed, even better. But not you, your to much of a pussy to act like a man.
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