OPS Revamp Delayed
- Mayor Daley's plan to reform an Office of Professional Standards perceived as too cozy with the Chicago Police Department and too protective of rogue officers hit a roadblock today.
Four aldermen -- Bob Fioretti (2nd), Pat Dowell (3rd), Howard Brookins (21st) and Joe Moore (49th) -- used a parliamentary maneuver to delay consideration of the ordinance even after Daley bent over backward to appease his critics.
- They argued that the mayor's ordinance ignores the problem of police coercion of defendants and witnesses, and is undermined by a police contract tailor-made to shield abusive officers.
Ah, thank goodness for labor contracts that can delay and maybe derail entire swaths of this "rush to reform" without any real debate or input from the rank and file.
Here's the BIG stumbling block:
Here's the BIG stumbling block:
- But activists have complained the ordinance does not go far enough, saying it favors officers who are accused of misconduct. At a hearing Monday, Locke Bowman, legal director of the MacArthur Justice Center, said unfounded allegations against officers cannot be used in subsequent proceedings -- a provision he said that ignores an officer's history, including that he or she might have been the subject of dozens of prior complaints.
Read that bolded sentence again. Then wonder why everyone from the mayor on down wants you, us and every copper in Chicago to have fewer rights that the scumbags we arrest. When was the last time you ever heard of Defendant ABC having all his previous arrests, convictions or run ins with the police plastered all over his trial?
You haven't, because its prejudicial to the defendant's right to a fair trail. Yet, the "activists" and other liberal asses expect to deny the police that exact same right to a fair and unbiased trial, hearing or whatever. This OPS revamp had better be run through the legal wringer before the City and the "reverends" attempt to circumvent the labor agreement.
NOTE: Yes, we discovered that the bottom paragraphs of this post had somehow been cut off - that has been corrected.
You haven't, because its prejudicial to the defendant's right to a fair trail. Yet, the "activists" and other liberal asses expect to deny the police that exact same right to a fair and unbiased trial, hearing or whatever. This OPS revamp had better be run through the legal wringer before the City and the "reverends" attempt to circumvent the labor agreement.
NOTE: Yes, we discovered that the bottom paragraphs of this post had somehow been cut off - that has been corrected.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
33 Comments:
Lets be honest people, we arent perfect.......neither is the mayor or these so called activists or reverends and especially our goddam alderman so why is it that they wanna hang every goddam copper on an allegation???? IF THE CR# COMES BACK UNFOUNDED THEN IT MEANS IT HAS NO GROUND, NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH! Im sick and tired of being a dam punching bag for these dam political hacks, reverends and citizens who want nothing more than to completely fuck you, your life and your family over time and time and time and time again!!!!! But these pukes fall into a pile of shit day after day and come out smelling like roses, but when the shits hits the fan..."where are the police? why werent they here to stop this? I havent seen a squad car on my block since I dont remember when!? Everytime I see a policeman he always looks angry. Why cant I get a break officer"?
You can ask all of the people mentioned above because THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE!!! It is because of THEM that they took the greatest job in the world and completely blew it to Shit!!!! You have bad people in every fuckin profession.......from a dam sandwich maker at jimmy johns to the dam white house and even in our lovely mayors office. Sure there have been some real winners making headlines lately but they have due process! You know innocent until proven guilty in a court of law! Not the clout of law..I mean court of da mayor or father phleger or the public! They do not represent the department as a whole! But they have their day in court! Day after day there are police doin the right thing and some pretty extraordinary things too. What do they get for it? A lawsuit, a CR#, spit in the face, middle finger, a city that will sell you out so fast it it make your head spin. So why is it they are focusing and shit that happened 15, 20, 25yrs ago? Or things that once again DO NOT represent us as a whole ? I cant answer that question. Maybe its to take the heat off of them for their nonsense, actually I think thats the reason why. I really do hope our FOP does stand up for us...I honestly hope they do. Enough is enough already with this shit! Bosses want numbers? too bad! alderman wants more police presence at parks? too bad! movers? parkers? heads? too bad! too bad! too fuckin bad!!!
They want change then put some people in there with some common sense and balls! 99.9% of CR#'s are absolutely bullshit! You wanna concentrate on the .1% that isnt then fine, but get some fucking people in there that know the difference between a horseshit beef and a legit one! Not some puke ass liberal who thinks he or she is gonna change the world. Let them do some legit time in districts like 11, 7, 10, 6, 5 , 3 25 and so on and so on so they can see whats really happens in living color and in real life! not this black and white shit on paper. I can only shake my head in disgust day after day each and every time I see that police star in the background on the news and wonder.....how much more as officers and people can we take? Cause Im at my wits end! I'll still patrol where I live for the people it counts the most but man its really getting hard. Reeeally hard. My apologies for the long rant but I gotta vent. Please everyone be safe out there! Go home to your family. God bless
I always wonder why the alderman is so against due process for police officers.
nice huh! daley really wants to fuck us bad! Why doesn't he get rid of his detail his guys say what a prick him and his wife are, but then only stay due to the higher pay rate! How many guys have left his detail and why? why does he need his own fleet of taxes paid for vehicles? he is a millionaire many times over like burke who wants to tax every driver who drives downtown saying the city has "no Money"! Why gas is high so they reap huge profits our pension is woefully underfunded no money going there where does all the $$$ go? into daleys olympic hopeful fund? daleys pockets? maybe to give all the ILLEGALS FREE SCHOOL,HEALTH CARE,LINK,HOUSING YES I WILL WORK HARDER TO GIVE MORE AWAY TO THIS SHIT! AS AN AMERICAN I AM TIRED OF THIS SHIT DALEY AND HIS CRONIES NEED TO GO AND MAYBE MOVE TO MEXICO OR ANYWHERE BUT HERE!
They can make meeks, jakes, jackson, mitchell, phlager and whoever they want to be on this board. If you dont do anything, you wont get in trouble.
I could care less. All I do is answer my calls. Thats it!
WAKE UP BOYS & GIRLS!
The Lodge and the contract will continue to protect us.
The City's proposed ordinance will not override what has been "past practices" that the City has acknowledged are part of the contract.
When the City has tried in the past arbitrators have overriden these sad attempts.
We have nothing to worry about.
THE MAYORS IS GOIN TO GET THIS THROUGH.
OFFICERS WANT TO VOTE REPUBLICAN EVEN THOU THEIR NEVER WAS A VIABLE CANIDATE FOR MAYOR.
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THOSE ALDERMAN THAT WERE ENDORSED BY THE FOP. I HAVE BEEN ASKING AROUND, AND THE WORD THAT GOT BACK TO ME WAS FOP IS NOT EVEN REACHING OUT TO ANY ALDERMAN TO SWAY VOTE OR GIVE INPUT.
THE CITY IS GOING TO GIVE US LOT OF UNIFORM MONEY SO IT CAN SHIT CAN US A.S.A.P.
THE FOP NEEDS PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO GET THINGS DONE. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A BUNCH OF GUY WHO WANT TO HAVE A CARNIVAL IN A PARK.
PLEASE GUYS RUN FOR FOP OFFICE IF YOU HAVE SOME BUSINESS SENSE OR KNOW HOW TO DEAL IN POLITICS.
Okay,
The ACLU and the McArthur Justice Center are very adept at perserving the civil liberties and rights of criminals but these very same individuals wish for the enforcers of the law to relinquish their rights to due process?
Criminals are judged on the basis of their past MISCONDUCT/ criminal activity during sentencing and charging. Here lies the double standard that the LEFTISTS seek to impose upon the CPD. In order for a criminal's past crimes to be used in sentencing or for charging consideration they must have been CONVICTED.
How can these very same individuals demand that officers of the CPD be held to a different standard? Their incessant demands of using past CR# histories on UNFOUNDED or NONSUSTAINED CR#'s violates due process and infringes upon the rights of officers.
One would think that these "DEFENDERS of CIVIL LIBERTIES, RIGHTS AND DUE PROCESS" would be keenly aware of said and apply their standards justly and equally upon all citizens of this great nation.
Maybe I am ignorant!!! Are law enforcement officers in a special category without civil liberties,rights and due process?
CR#'S ARE SUSTAINED AT THE SLIGHTEST PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE...EXONERATED FINDINGS DON'T EXIST OR ARE AN ABSOLUTE RARITY. NONSUSTAINED FINDINGS INDICATE THAT FINDINGS ARE INCONCLUSIVE BY THE SCALES OF PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE. A GREAT MAJORITY OF NONSUSTAINED FINDINGS SHOULD CLASSIFIED AS UNFOUNDED/NO MERIT/TOTAL BS.
OPS = OFFICE OF POLITICAL STANDARDS
Always has, always will be.
Once again, the Emperor Without Clothes has the audacity to tell the press that he wants "a more open, transparent, accountable and credible" process.
Well, local media, why won't that unindicted crook say the same thing about his rigged, police promotional "process"?
All of us know that Chicago's travesty called "merit" is nothing more than a euphemism for CLOUT!
May Chicago get the police force it truly deserves.
OPS budget comes out of the police dept., money is tight with the olympic b.s.I'm sure thats the underlying reason
HAPPY BIRTHDAY U.S.ARMY! TO ALL WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE ARMY WHETHER STATESIDE OR OVERSEAS...GOD BLESS THE SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN ON THIS SPECIAL DAY. THIS IS YOUR SPECIAL DAY OF ACHIEVEMENT...HONOR IT WELL.
i think its chapter 5 ilcs that covers po's that are not under collective bargaining....it is ILLEGAL for our previous allegations to be considered. Hopefully, our illustrious union will take this little doozey to arbitration. If not, I cannot wait to sue BOTH the union and the city once I get a cr...which really won't take too long.
What is the difference? They can't get ANYONE, IAD or OPS to do a thorough investigation of any of these cases, as long as that is the case, the situation will remain the same, mostly not sustained cases - rather than exoneratate or unfounded - which is what most of them should be, and the same ratio of sustained cases. Nothing will be different, believe me. The worst part about this insanity is that it is only bieng done for political purposes, in the totally vain hope that more coppers would have sustained beefs against them. Believe me, it will never happen......
To.......6/14/2007 12:59:00 AM
Well said, brother/sister.
We all know the truth and the way things work on the CPD.
YOU were able to sum it up. Thanks for the reminder. Well stated.
Ol' vet*
*1 year and counting till 60.
6:14 Amen to that brother. I couldnt have said it better myself.
Sure there have been some real winners making headlines lately but they have due process!
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How many of the latest have been convicted in a court of law of anything?
ZERO.
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THOSE ALDERMAN THAT WERE ENDORSED BY THE FOP. I HAVE BEEN ASKING AROUND, AND THE WORD THAT GOT BACK TO ME WAS FOP IS NOT EVEN REACHING OUT TO ANY ALDERMAN TO SWAY VOTE OR GIVE INPUT.
ofcourse they wont. their wives got nice jobs and their kids got into nice schools.
whatever happened to all the money fop gives these aderthieves and the springfield assholes? STOP GIVING THEM MONEY FOR CAMPAIGNS LETS START CARRYING VIDEO RECORDERS AND RECORD EVEYTHING WE CAN ON THESE GOOFS AND USE IT! WHY IS IT THAT NO ONE INVESTIGATES THEM EXCEPT THE FBI AND PATRICK FITZGERALD WHO IS SO BOGGED DOWN IN ALL THE DALEY-BLAGO-STROGER CORRUPTION! THEN NEED AN ARMY OF "G: MEN TO GET ALL THE CRIMINALS AT THE TOP LEVELS HERE! WHY IS GEORGIE BOY RYAN STILL NOT IN JAIL? AT LEAST THE ASSHOLE LOST HIS PENSION HA!HA! WHY IS FINNEGAN AGAIN IN THE PAPERS TODAY? NOW HE IS ACCUSED OF TAKING $450,000 FROM SOME SCUMBAG WHO HAD BAGS OF CASH IN HIS HOME BUT PROVIDED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE NOTARIZED SHOWING THE MONEY WAS LEGIT! NOTARIZED BY WHOM ALDERTHUG MUNOZ'S CRIMINAL FATHER! WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT TRIAL BY MEDIA WHO KEEPS LEAKING ALL THIE BULLSHIT OUT? DEVINE AND THE ASA! GREAT GOING GUYS! NEXT THEY WILL TELL US FINNEGAN KILLED KENNEDY! THIS IS UNREAL! IF THE 450K STORY IS TRUE MR. STATES ATTORNEY ARE SO INSANE TO BELIEVE THE MONEY WAS LEGIT? LET A DOG SNIFF FOR DRUG RESIDUE! WHO IS GOING TO GIVE THE GUY BACK HIS 450k YES YOU GUESSED IT US BY DUTIFULLY PAYING OUR TAXES! THIS IS FUCKING INCREDIBLE!
THE FOP NEEDS PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO GET THINGS DONE. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A BUNCH OF GUY WHO WANT TO HAVE A CARNIVAL IN A PARK.
PLEASE GUYS RUN FOR FOP OFFICE IF YOU HAVE SOME BUSINESS SENSE OR KNOW HOW TO DEAL IN POLITICS.
6/14/2007 08:41:00 AM
Wrong dunderhead. The rank and file need an brand new union- and now is the time to push FOP- f@#k our police- under the bus. Since FOP has been our alleged union we have done nothing but lost- lost free medical/dental benefits, lost pay compared to others over the years, lost 21 million dollars that the city owed our pension, and lost many of our rights.
What does it take, a bullet in the head for you guys to see that FOP has done absolutely nothing for us in the twenty five years that they have stolen our dues?
maybe it's time for another GUN TURN-IN
Not some puke ass liberal who thinks he or she is gonna change the world. Let them do some legit time in districts like 11, 7, 10, 6, 5 , 3 25 and so on and so on so they can see whats really happens in living color and in real life! not this black and white shit on paper.
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Oh, I wish.
What will happen when Daley leaves?
What if Jessie Jr runs this town?
Give me a break. Look @ the number of deadbeats in this city.
These people block the doors to the EL so you can't even get off the train. When I bicycled downtown on the bikepath, some fat asses wearing size 52 Apple Bottom pants walking all the way across, blocking everyone's way. These people are fvcking ignorant.
I'm not even a cop, and have had kids that used to visit one of my deadbeat neighbors in my building saying "kill the damn pigs" (they know I run a police memorial), or when I wear a Chicago Police Memorial t-shirt, the looks people give me on the EL; like they want to slit my throat.
This crap would never go on in the burbs. But that's because this city doesn't allow you to be a cop.
You guys are short handed out here and dealing with the animal, the city itself puts you under much stress...
"If you don't do anything you won't get in trouble."
Bull shit. How do you fight false allegations? They punch themselves in the face and then cry police brutality. And you have it on your record. And who has to prove it didn't happpen?????
Like anything is going to change. We will still get the b.s. cr's like always. Just make sure you always check request for counsel. Never, absolutely never waive your right to representation. My dealing with the F.O.P. have been very positive with the C.R.'s I have gotten and I haven't taken a day for anything.
"If you don't do anything you won't get in trouble."
Bull shit. How do you fight false allegations? They punch themselves in the face and then cry police brutality. And you have it on your record. And who has to prove it didn't happpen?????
Easy....I have made maybe 1 arrest this year. You have made more in 1 tour probably. I wont stick my neck out for nothing except a cop in need. If they run I call it in. But I dont chase. If you dont bother with anything nothing will bother you. I havent had a CR in almost 4 years. Yea I know your all calling me a dog ass. Far from it. I just put my efforts else where now! I am by no means lazy. Just smarter than I was a few years ago. be safe do nothing but answer your callS!
Actually the burbs too are getting killed with bogus beefs...EVERYONE'S complaining about EVERYTHING...it's out of control all over the place...WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???
Why can't we all bond together? Are we afraid? Afraid to unite? Why can traffic management aids protest but we cannot? It's time now to start making a statement in this city, that says we will no longer tolerate bullshit!!!
Also, get off your teams now. Stay out of the ghetto. Let them kill each other off and you won't get any CRs.
whatever happened to all the money fop gives these aderthieves and the springfield assholes? STOP GIVING THEM MONEY FOR CAMPAIGNS LETS START CARRYING VIDEO RECORDERS AND RECORD EVEYTHING WE CAN ON THESE GOOFS AND USE IT! WHY IS IT THAT NO ONE INVESTIGATES THEM EXCEPT THE FBI AND PATRICK FITZGERALD WHO IS SO BOGGED DOWN IN ALL THE DALEY-BLAGO-STROGER CORRUPTION! THEN NEED AN ARMY OF "G: MEN TO GET ALL THE CRIMINALS AT THE TOP
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I thought the same thing the other day.We all have seen/know something that has gone on and didnt say anything.We might have first hand knowledge of some type of corruption,backdoor deal,foulplay perpetrated by an alderbastard or other dickhead. Normally im easy going, i just kind of expect these things to happen...after all it is CHICAGO!Like ive told too many of our customers...I CAN BE A MUFUCKA ONLY SO MANY TIMES!!! Well im tired of being told to eat shit and like it. We have to eat shit ALL the time and they just rape our city at will, raise our taxes at will,give themselves a raise because ...its..idk..TUESDAY?!?!?! F&@*K THEM WHO THE F&$k DO THEY THINK THEY ARE????? Being an elected official, its NOT your god given right to STEAL.All these smug pricks with the entitlement attitudes, driving around in cars paid for by US, getting into shit because they are bored...WTF!! And i still dont get how and why they can carry a pistol? I would rather see....HELL the lockup keepers!! They see more shit in 1 day than the alderthieves see all year{except when they are in city coucil meetings, then they see more criminals,thugs,} Let l.u. personel carry off duty if they want to, for their own and family protection.
Before you start to beat me up,think about this. Its us against them, as stated time and time again we need to stick together and not be so divided{thats how Daley keeps ending up as duuhh mayor...DIVIDE AND CONCUR...split the vote, sound familiar??} Police,civilian,fire,s&san.ect.WHO CARES WHAT JOB WE DO, thats a lot of people and a lot of VOTES.....maybe WE as a united city workers unit should try to back and run OUR OWN candidate for alderman or mayor, some right thinking person that we can trust....just a thought, probably really a pipe dream.OH and to those of you who might call me a rat/snitch for wanting to whistleblow on the corruption....FUCK YOU!!!!!!!! You like the taste of shit??? then you eat it, dont get any on your nice,new white shirt,BOSS!!! I'de rather die on my feat than live on my knees....literally!!!!
Anonymous said...
nice huh! daley really wants to fuck us bad! Why doesn't he get rid of his detail his guys say what a prick him and his wife are, but then only stay due to the higher pay rate! How many guys have left his detail and why? why does he need his own fleet of taxes paid for vehicles? he is a millionaire many times over like burke who wants to tax every driver who drives downtown saying the city has "no Money"!
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A little F.Y.I. on Burke and the com. on finance. I was told by a person who works for a doctor, who stated to me that it was common practice to deny claims of workers comp./I.O.D. for police/city workers. This person stated that while dealing with 2 C.P.D. officers that had been t-boned while "on patrol".They denied them I.O.D., The com. on finances stance was that they were not on a call,chase{right like that would be allowed},that them getting t-boned in a squad car WAS NOT WORK RELATED!! Both the officers were hurt badly, 1 needed surgery.The com. on finance put them on the medical and told the officers they needed to use blue cross for the bills.They had to get the union and lawyers involved before it was reversed, Nice huh? This was the story i was told.......Maybe one of those dragracers will t-bone the highly optioned car he drives....i bet HIS workers comp. and bills wont get denied!!!!! Maybe we should have Carol Marin do a story called "THE NON CLOUT LIST" and all the horror stories that will go along with it...........
A little F.Y.I. on Burke and the com. on finance. I was told by a person who works for a doctor, who stated to me that it was common practice to deny claims of workers comp./I.O.D. for police/city workers. This person stated that while dealing with 2 C.P.D. officers that had been t-boned while "on patrol".They denied them I.O.D., The com. on finances stance was that they were not on a call,chase{right like that would be allowed},that them getting t-boned in a squad car WAS NOT WORK RELATED!! Both the officers were hurt badly, 1 needed surgery.The com. on finance put them on the medical and told the officers they needed to use blue cross for the bills.They had to get the union and lawyers involved before it was reversed, Nice huh? This was the story i was told.......Maybe one of those dragracers will t-bone the highly optioned car he drives....i bet HIS workers comp. and bills wont get denied!!!!! Maybe we should have Carol Marin do a story called "THE NON CLOUT LIST" and all the horror stories that will go along with it...........
6/15/2007 03:33:00 AM
Had the same bullshit had to use union lawyers and waste their time to straighten it out! Burke a fan of police! give it a rest he is no fan except for his crew of drivers and I am not to sure he is happy with them! How about the time the goof went crazy because he went into a dinner and the guys went to use the bathroom and he screamed like an emperor at them and threatened to get rid of them! he is just like daley millionaires while we keep paying all the bills for his fancy car and drivers!
The problem is if you decertify the FOP as our collective bargainig agent, the city can null and void their agreements with us. That is my understanding of the issue. But again I'm usually wrong, and ill informed.
Imagine, we decertify. Then the City say's okay, you now only make $28,000 a year to be the police. If you don't like it quit!
It may take a few contracts to recover the lost ground just to get back to where we currently are.
Any labor lawyers out there wish to comment?
6/15/2007 02:55:00 AM
True they piss in you face and tell you it's raining! they will throw us under the bus everytime but they think they are so powerful and can do anything they want whenever they want to! FUCK ALL OF THESE IDIOTS! GAME ON!!
A little F.Y.I. on Burke and the com. on finance. I was told by a person who works for a doctor, who stated to me that it was common practice to deny claims of workers comp./I.O.D. for police/city workers. This person stated that while dealing with 2 C.P.D. officers that had been t-boned while "on patrol".They denied them I.O.D., The com. on finances stance was that they were not on a call,chase{right like that would be allowed},that them getting t-boned in a squad car WAS NOT WORK RELATED!! Both the officers were hurt badly, 1 needed surgery.The com. on finance put them on the medical and told the officers they needed to use blue cross for the bills.They had to get the union and lawyers involved before it was reversed, Nice huh? This was the story i was told.......Maybe one of those dragracers will t-bone the highly optioned car he drives....i bet HIS workers comp. and bills wont get denied!!!!! Maybe we should have Carol Marin do a story called "THE NON CLOUT LIST" and all the horror stories that will go along with it...........
This is true The same thing happened to me. and I had to fight it all the way, took me Two years. If you got juice its all good if not you might have to fight. This type of treatment for injured officers is sickening. thanks Burke Oh I mean Daley.
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