Fox32 Blows Another One
Ridiculous that they even give this woman the time of day:
First of all, what is this woman's background in State Law, Chicago Police procedures and the application of Use of Force under both of these criteria? Larry Yellen doesn't even ask these questions to establish this woman as anything but a low-credibility witness. She has just paid a toll, was two lanes over and even admits in the story that it happened so fast that she "could be mistaken" in what she may have observed. So why even give her air time?
Oh yeah, Yellen is a police hater.
More problems with her story:
First of all, what is this woman's background in State Law, Chicago Police procedures and the application of Use of Force under both of these criteria? Larry Yellen doesn't even ask these questions to establish this woman as anything but a low-credibility witness. She has just paid a toll, was two lanes over and even admits in the story that it happened so fast that she "could be mistaken" in what she may have observed. So why even give her air time?
Oh yeah, Yellen is a police hater.
More problems with her story:
- Tollway Plaza's are loud and busy places. She claims she didn't hear anyone announce their office or tell the offender to stop the car. We understood the car was partially disabled following a crash (that she doesn't mention hearing). Any announcing of "Police!" could easily have been drowned out in the hustle and bustle of the toll plaza, sirens, traffic noise, and it was directed at the offending vehicle, not toward a woman two lanes over looking at officers' backs. And after 30 miles of blue lights chasing him to Elgin, we're pretty sure the offender knew it wasn't Santa Claus chasing him with a missing present.
- She says the police walked up and shot the offender once - yet the offender had at least two holes in him from separate shots. And windshield holes.
- Unless she has x-ray vision, she cannot see the hands or legs of the offender. If the offender was putting the car into gear in a continuing effort to escape, then the offender needed to be shot, probably many more times than twice. He had already attempted to run over a CPD officer in Chicago - it's completely believable he would do so again. Use of a vehicle as a deadly weapon?
In any case, this is just another piece of garbage reporting from a bottom feeding "reporter" with an anti-police agenda who puts a completely unreliable "witness" on TV to trash cops. No different from other local hacks who grab the first baby-momma-cousin who knew "Boo" was just about to turn it all around and he "never did have no gun no way no how" and the police planted that pistol after they shot "Boo" in the back. Never you mind about "Boo's" three other gun arrests, all resulting in probation, his long rap sheet of dope arrests and the tendency for him to beat the crap out of four different baby mommas cause they're always after him for child support.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
138 Comments:
first off, this woman claims that the passenger officer just walked up to the mans car and shot him through the passenger window. now lets think about this statement. she is two lanes over. the driver side of the bad guys car is facing her. the bad guys car is an suv. how could this woman have seen the officer on the opposite side of the vehicle when the suv is tall and would have shielded the officer from the "witnesses" view. second, there were no shots through the passenger side window. the shots were through the windshield and struck the bad guy in the front of the chest. she what she claims the passenger officer did could not have been seen... unless she has some type of super x ray vision that she could have seen through this guys suv...doubt that. she claims he shot through the passenger side window. well, all rounds were through the windshield. the passenger side window which had a rolled up window was not damaged by gunfire...unless the magic bullet turned in mid air and went through the windshield on its own.. your honor, i move to find this witness not credible and have the testimony stricken from proceedings... people just need to think about it before beliving the bullshit.
You dont get an answer lady nor do you ever get a reason for what had just happened. You should be ashamed of yourself! Hope your real proud.....putting your ignorant comments and face on tv cause you "think" you saw what happened. What an absolute piece of garbage reporting by a lame investigative reporter and what a sorry excuse of a human. You, Fox 32 and Larry Yellen are all jokes and should really be ashamed of yourselves.
Everybody wants to be important. She got her 15 seconds at the detriment of the police. She can now go back to living her clueless, priviledged life in suburbia where she watches far too many "evil corrupt police" movies.
Tell her to pull her head out of her A$$ once in a while!!! NITWIT.
If Larry Yellen was any good at what he did, he wouldn't be on Fox 32.
Well Said SCC As Always......
Few More Pts:
- First the fact that she states she saw an officer walk on the passenger side of the vehicle from the rear and shoot.
That is amazing!!! A bullet that can go thru the front windshield come back thru the same hole and strike offender sitting in the driver seat right in the chest!!! Those bullets must cost a fortune.
- Then she says she saw the black and whites instead of the usual gold cars?
Wtf are black and whites? Not only were all cars on scene unmarked but we are blue and whites sweetheart.
- Witness also states her first reaction was what was the CPD doing all the way out there.
Hmmm, well since the officers were in those unmarked black and whites as you say how exactly did you know it was Chicago Police out there?
Answer: You didnt!!! Just like you didnt see anything close to that ridiculous reenactment you performed for that porn stached reporter of the supposed "hit" the CPD put on that poor drug slinging loser who had total disregard for the lives of the many officers and civilians he put in harms way that night in his attempt to run from the law. Unfortunately for him these officers decided that was something that was not gonna happen on their watch and with less and less officers willing to go that extra mile (or 30 in this case) they should be celebrated not judged by you or some pencil pushing idiot sitting behind a desk dreaming of the days he played cops and robbers. You are a nutjob lady in every sense of the term and lucky for you there was a nutjob reporter willing to put a microphone in front of your non medication taking liberal ass.
By the way how long has your daughter been dating the offender?
Like I said before...fuck the media whenever we can....just like they fuck us!
She said she saw Black and whites????
We don't have Black and whites.
She saw blue lights and heard sirens.
She was 2 lanes over,did she have a clear and unobstructed view of the WHOLE INCIDENT?????? Hey FLOP instead of partying in LongBeach at the convention, maybe you guys should on the news backing the officers involved. Looks like this broad has some money, if I where one of the officers involved I'd sue the shit out of her. Stay safe
OT from IN and AROUND 60655---Saturday, August 15, 2009
Update - Injured Police Officer Densey Cole
Status Update on Chicago P.D. Officer Densey Cole
I got word this morning that Densey is NOT doing well, that he remains in ICU, and that he may NOT have visitors other than "family and clergy." He has asked to see me and I've been granted access to visit and pray with him possibly this afternoon and tomorrow AM. PLEASE, PLEASE lift our brother in prayer. Pray also for Densey's wife during this exceedingly difficult time.Please pass on...
Posted by Detective/Chaplain MC Williams
Please everyone, even if you don't pray, please say a prayer for Officer Cole and his family.
Posted by inandaround60655
Don't you just love these people who pop up & know everything about a situation, not sure about "this" but sure about "that." She better hope & pray that her or any of her family members are never a victim of a crime where it turns out another onlooker views "this or that" & makes the offender a good citizen. What a joke that the news would even waste air time with this "I want to be on camera" individual. Fox 32 I like, but every time this guy does a story, its a mess. Get rid of him!
Just another fine upstanding eastern european immigrant that is a boon to society. You gotta luv the slo-mo camera shot of Johnny G walking up on the scene.
A mere coincidence perhaps?
What did she mean when she said you never see black/whites on the tollways, just gold? Troopers cars are gold, what city drives black and whites????
SCC, let me help you out if I may:
1. This woman, whoever she is, based on the interview obviously has no knowledge of State Law, CPD procedure or what Use of Force even is. If she did, she would have been smart enough to not do the interview in the first place seeing as how even she admits she "could be mistaken" and the fact that the investigation is still not complete.
2. Larry Yellen is a sack of shit who is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and as we all know.....cops get ratings. Face it Larry is getting desperate.
I would be curious to know just how much editing was done on this story and what Larry said before the camera guy pushed the "record" button. Any media folks care to chime in??
It's easy to slip into John Wayne mode and have the attitude of fuck this punk, he got what he deserved. I agree whole heartedly and have no smpathy for this piece of shit that endangered the lives of civilians and my fellow officers. Guess what though? The city, most of its citizens, the Mayor, our Superintendent, and the media don't share this point of view, and haven't for a long time. Wake the fuck up people! Don't go out of your way to do anything. How many more firings, benefit partys, and trips to prison is it going to take? Truthfully, a work stoppage should have started back when the T.R.R.'s came out. Remember then what the brass told us? "um, yeah, if you so much as thumb wrestle an offender, do a T.R.R. It won't affect your disciplinary record or anything like that." They lied to us then, and they have been lying to us ever since! Not only that, but the workload that's been tacked on has gotten ridiculous. Contact cards for everything, curfews that require the parents blood type, notifications to everyone including your parents, the cook county inventorys that we shouldn't have to do. Despite all this, it's still a great job, but learn to play the game for christs sake. Answer your 911 calls, clear in an orderly fashion, if you need arrests that bad, get drinkers, whores, and other easy pinches. Pimpy? You bet. But at least you can go to sleep at night. Some of you guys would still go out there balls out if they made a general order that said you had to lick Jesse Jackson's feet before the start of the tour. Look at the big picture. Stand back a bit and be happy to be making the amount of money we do without really having to do that much work. Don't believe me? Look at the muggings on the Northside. Wait until an Alder-creature or the Mayors releatives get robbed, assaulted, raped, battered, etc. The leash will be off then. But it won't happen unless the this shit that was played on the media today is stopped. There is no reason this chase shouldn't be a dead issue. This just goes to show how much the media hates us that, over a month later, they have to parade this civilian idiot around, to pump up viewer ratings. Yeah, sorry about the rant. To all you guys that want to say "fuck you." That's right. Fuck me and fuck you too. Cuz we're all fucked.
P.S. J.G. is an ash$%e and should get dumped out of all of this
They will tear her a new ass in court. She'll rue the day she wanted to be on the news!
There you go Chicago. The very reason we don't do shit anymore and never will. Arm yourselves if you need protection because I'm sure we'll run into a lot of traffic coming to "help" you.
She reminds me of my stupid neighbor, who still to this day, thinks Blago walks on water. My advie to, you dumbass, liber pucke...STAY OUT OF IT!
OT....These corrupt politicians just made another "big tax" blunder by installing parking meters on the lake front in the next 6 weeks. God forbid they let the tax payer park for free when enjoy our parks and lake. They keep trying to tax the city into prosparity, but they don't know the first thing about economics. They cry that revenue is down, but never consider the fact that people will leave and purchase products where they can get the best deal. DUMMIES!!!!!
Aren't there loads of cameras in and around those toll plazas?
Sounds like a job for the screaming skull!!!!
Lets pull the tape from the POD
Well I guess there goes a certain candidate's chance at Cook County Board president since he was clearly shown not once but twice in this video.
I also think that anybody who sees "black and white" Chicago Police cars where there were none and hears only one of two gunshots cannot be trusted about anything else that she sees or hears. Plus, if she failed to hear the second (or maybe it was the first) gunshot then how could she possibly hear what was being said by the officers??
In the last 15 seconds of her bullshit, her the great crime scene investigator detail how she would LOVE to hear the reasonable explanation of why this happened, like "if this guy was some big time drug dealer and he sold to kids".
So in this fucking liberal idiot's opinion, it would have been hunky dorey to just blow away a drug dealer without justification, but a white DP who tried to run over police? Not good enough.
Fuck you skank.
if only everyone was allowed to carry a gun everything would have been ok... thats solves every problem everytime !
Our guy Densey is back at Craig, pulled through another crisis. Colorado says he still needs prayers & cards from everybody. Phone calls to on Sat. & Sun. 303-789-8000 2east. God love our brother!
She did indeed see "Black and whites." Those are the cars in "Adam-12." I loved that show, too, when I was a kid. Is TVLand showing reruns these days for that idiot to watch?
The most amazing part of this story is not the level of stupidity of this woman, but the 1 million dollar bond that kane county gave the sh*thead for agg batt to PO. Sheeeet, if this bond was given in this half ass county, dude would have been given an I-bond.
THEY PUT HER ON BECAUSE SHE IS A TYPICAL WHITE SOCCER MOM WHO LOOKS CREDIBLE.
DO U ALL 4 GET EVERYTIME POOKIE IS SHOT IN ENGLEHOOD SOMEONE COMES OUT AND SEZZZ " HE HAD NO GUN AND DA POLICE SHOT HIM IN THE BACK"
LARRY IS A STROKE! HE HASNT HAD A GREAT STORY 4 SOMETIME AND HIS TV TIME HAS BEEN CUTDOWN.
I THINK OF IT AS FREE PRESS THESE FRICKING DOPE BOYS WANNA RUN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING OUT 4 BULLETS.
EITHER WAY ITS A LAWSUIT AND EITHER WAY ITS AN INVESTIGATION...
GIVE THAT OFFICER A PAID DAY OFF AND ONE OF THOSE GREAT HONORABLE MENTIONS EVERY LOVES!
I've been around a few years, so I'll tell you what I see:
She is a pear shaped, bleach blonde who is desperate for a little attention. None of her "observations" are close to the physical evidence. She is a sad case, but a product of our "15 minutes of fame" culture.
Fox News and Yellen have really gone off the deep end airing this nonsense. Your credibility is in the toilet with this crap. Yellen, your career has ended as a "reporter". The facts aren't even close to this nutjob's account, but I'll air it anyway.
"Unfortunately for him these officers decided that was something that was not gonna happen on their watch and with less and less officers willing to go that extra mile (or 30 in this case) they should be celebrated not judged by you or some pencil pushing idiot sitting behind a desk dreaming of the days he played cops and robbers. You are a nutjob lady in every sense of the term and lucky for you there was a nutjob reporter willing to put a microphone in front of your non medication taking liberal ass."
And this is exactly the reason less and less officers are willing to do jack shit. You are pointing out the exact problem that faces all police departments today. You have some misinformed delusional "witness" giving her story on the news, you have a liberal, anti-police hating reporter pushing his anti-police agenda. Where is the FOP, Jody Weis, Mayor Shortshanks, Dugan, etc.? Why are they not on the news telling the real story and backing up the officers? Why are they not calling this reporter and "witness" on their bullshit and setting the record straight with the public? We're all sick of this shit and this is why less and less officers want to do any fucking thing because we know this is what we are going to get. I've never known any police officer that just walks up to fucking cars for no reason and executes innocent people "hit" style. The sad thing is, millions of people are going to view this garbage and believe it and nobody will come to the defense of these officers that I'm sure did a hell of a good job. It's just disgusting. I'm completely disgusted by this shit at this point. Anyone thinking of a career in law enforcement in this day and age must be absolutely fucking insane.
She also says she saw "black and whites, which you never see. You see gold and whites the State Police." She needs to get her fifteen minutes of fame.
She also says that she needed some justification; like the guy was a drug dealer who sold to kids. Well, lady, he is a drug dealer. Now shut up and go away.
But before you do, go get your fucking shine box.
Lady, I can tell that you're a Police hater and you should never have gotten your 5 mins of fame. Just like living in the Suburbs, you obviously have no fucking clue on what's going on here in the City, what, and who we deal with every fucking day. You've been watching too much news which 95 % of it is fucking garbage.
And Larry Yellen, shave your fucking moustache and stop pretending you're a tough guy, take a fucking shower because it looks like you haven't had one in weeks.. And please, tell that Fat traffic lady (S.S.) to hit the treadmill because she won't even fit in the helicopter anymore.
so she saw 1/4 of this shit and than gets to give her expert opinion, nice
What did she mean when she said you never see black/whites on the tollways, just gold? Troopers cars are gold, what city drives black and whites????
8/19/2009 01:36:00 AM
Highland Park is the only local (Chicagoland) agency I have seen driving the Adam 12 black & white patrol car. Any others ?
justified or not....some CPD are going to be in trouble. I highly doubt that a "chase" or "pursuit" should have been authorized for 30 miles and out of chicago for a simple PCS!!!! After 2 miles they call off chases for PSMV, Agg Batt, Robbery, even a possible murder suspect.
NOT GOOD. -and in todays day and age of policing in Chicago WTF are you officer's thinking??
My favorite part of this 'story' was when this so-called witness said:
"I really hope this guy turns out to be a high-level drug dealer so I can at least feel that the police were justified in shooting him"
Huh??
That statement illustrates her true ignorance of the law. What does the offender's criminal history have anything to do with the split-second decision that a police officer has to make in a shoot/don't shoot situation??
Why this woman was even given the time of day by WFLD is beyond me.
I'm a big fan of the FOX News Network, but Yellen is giving FOX a bad name by running garbage like this.
O.T. When are they gonna get rid of that useless Sgt Mazur in 014 tact???? We are all tired about hearing her bitch and complain back there.....and take your 2 idiots R.G. and J.A. with you.
civilian post---I see police with guns out, I get the hell out of wherever I am, (its happened growing up on the west-side) I don't gawk, I don't wait to be caught in the cross-fire.
Its never nice to see something bad happen; watching real police in a real situation ain't the freakin movies you pie-headed gasbag.
She is more of an idiot than she looks, a big bubbleheaded idiot whose story doesn't stand up to scrutiny. She's bored. If she wasn't sitting in her ugly ranch house on her boring cul-de-sac thinking about plooking her neighbor whose unemployed and cutting his grass 3 times a week, maybe she'd get her sheltered butt off the couch and see what happens in the real world more often.
she must be waiting for some lawyer to get her on the lawsuit bandwagon!
This just goes to show how much the media hates us that, over a month later
I must agree on this comment. When I logged onto SCC today my first thought was "what the hell did I miss?", then I realized this was the tollway chase from last month.
I loved the part of the interview when the "eye witness" put bith hands up, index fingers pointing out, like a gun and made the statement," it looked like a hit to me."
All I can say is that IPRA does a thorough job on this witness and when their finding clears the officers they should turn around and sue both FOX 32, Yellen and the "eye witness" for a shit load of money.
This woman should be investigated...
1) "Chicago police" in "black & whites"...how about plain clothes officers all in unmarked vehicles.
2) Fact, the bullet hole is in front windshield with NO bullet holes in passenger side window!
3)The shooting officer didn't approach from the rear of the vehicle, he came from the front! Oh, comes from the front and shoots thru the front window - exactly what the evidence depicts!!!
Good job officer - and rest assured she knows this kid somehow???
I will put 1 millions dollars she is a flamming liberal Nobama lover!!
I love it how at the end, she states it would be a justified shooting if she knew he was selling drugs to kids...So running over a cop is not justified in her mind? Whatta croc, someone needs to tell her to stick to her dayjob and not go giving testimony to something she knows nothing about.
I truly thought this was bullshit. This woman was WAY off in her account of things that happened. What she heard, what she saw ... even referred to the CPD vehicle as a BLACK & White.
But of course at the end she basically said she would be blown off by IPRA.
It was Lee Harvey Oswald's twin brother Bobby, shooting from the grassy knoll!
But but but she swears fo god and sh!t.
There's really no point in picking apart her story, because we all know it isn't true anyway. Yellen found the fist police hater to get on camera and tell a story that contradicts what really happened... you know, because that's the real news in this town.
Fuck you libtards. Enjoy being victims.
Liberal pos.
Wow. could we hire her? we need a detective that can see through concrete walls AND an suv while driving....
ps
mike masters
Typical liberal bullshit.
Someone should collect donations so when the real scumbags get bonded out of jail the donation money can ship them to her fornt steps and her expert wisdom on law and procedures can deal with them. Then maybe she would think twice of spewing her garbage mouth all over national t.v.!! The CPD should demand an apology from this lady, fox, and balless Yellen!!!!
i hope the coppers sue the shit out of this wack job.hope she signed a sworn affidavit.it appears during the interview she has a home worth a significant amount of money(great asset).just plain lied,slandered,defamed on a network television newscast.
"Guess what... The city, most (Americans), the Mayor, our Superintendent, and the media don't share this point of view... Wake the fuck up people! Don't go out of your way to do anything." AMEN! I couldn't agree with you more.I can't for the life of me understand why there are still guys out there 'going above and beyond'. It gets you no where, except for Federal Court, days off, possibly Jail time. This is 2009 folks! Times have changed. 19 years on and I still enjoy the job, but I'll be damned if I put everything I have on line for some 'good pinch'. P.S. Lori Borsma(sp?) got her time on camera...now she can go back to "curves" and tell her fat ass girlfriends about her big brush with death. I'm sure she "wow'd" her suburbian friends as she recounted this story a million times over a glass of wine at a strip mall restraunt.
OT: Re: pension funds
Some politicians are backing and
trying to sell taxpayers a bill of goods. These individuals have claimed that public employee pension plans are an unfair and unaffordable drain on taxpayers.
They propose to replace the security of a promised retirement benefit, known as a defined
benefit pension, with a risky defined contribution plan.
What they don’t say is that this massive change will cost taxpayers millions of dollars in administrative fees alone. And these administrative expenses will line the pockets of Wall Street brokers and other special interests as thousands of individual accounts are created to replace the larger pooled investment account in the current system.Everyone deserves a basic level of retirement security after a lifetime of work. The current
pension system delivers on that promise in a way that is fair to both taxpayers and employees.
Can we realistically recover the lost funds for our pensions which is why the defined contribution plan will BLAME the employee like the deferred comp plan losses.
This moron will be sorry she ever opened her mouth when she gets subpoenaed for the trial and lawyers turn her into a blubbering idiot on the witness stand!
I'm sure her daughter will love it as well. MOM! WTF DID YOU DO THAT FOR?
SCC: I don't want to be another cheerleader but your point-by-point rebuttal of this witness's story is excellent. Keep speaking truth to (media) power.
oh ya this stay home mom knows whats best.she knows what it like to have a person try to run you down.she watches tv all the time.she the next JFED,known as housewife fed.good thing she called iad,and put those bad police in their place.wow what a loser.
Just a few things: CPD does not have "black and whites". What does the sound of a person getting run over sound like to this idiot? In this woman's eyes it's ok to kill drug dealers who sell to children.
The CR# on Ruthie has been sustained!
Damn, I really wishes that in the near future that somebody sell some dope to her daughter and see how she feels by then . . . . . sympathetic to the drugs dealers and pushers . . . for a few seconds of fame . . . . why not, make a fool of herself . . . . . with her x-ray vision and magic bullet (I need to get some of those). . . . . very good enactment(walks like a zombie) . . . . Not worth to give this job a priority . . . better be a dog and safe than be a hero and you get fuck by everybody. Be careful my fellow brothers in blue's.
I hope whatever suburban force that protects this piece of shit remembers her the next time she calls 911.
Someone leave her name and address with the arrestee...She can invite him to stay with her because we all know those terrible policemen being the vindictive "pigs" that they are will try to finish their "hit".....Please someone do this in the name of poetic justice. A person like her needs to wake up in the middle of the night and have someone like this angel hovering over her bed and then her perception of police officers might change just a smidgen....Retirement cant come soon enough.
Just another reason why I don't do traffic stops anymore. Or street stops for that matter. F these people who think they know it all. The 1st and the 16th, and maybe a pension if the city hall criminal hasn't stole it all by then.
In the upcoming, um, election for Cook County President, you, uh, should vote for me.....um, because I make good command decisions, um, uh, under tough conditions....yeah...that's it, and I, um.....Oh, hello SuperNintendo, I mean Superintendent Weiss! I...you see......the chase was......um......Mommy! Help!
Can you imagine her going in front of a judge and saying I clearly saw black and white police cars?
Whats a black and white?
Just saw the news on Tv and it sure sounds like a cover-up by police.
Bottom line:
The officers chased a car out of the city for a possible narcotics violation.
One officer was at the front of the vehicle during the stop and fired into the vehicle when the offender tried to run him down.
TWO completely impartial witnesses say the offender's car never moved.
This is not good.
And all I ask is Why Why Why Why Why do some officers continue to do aggressive policework when they know that this department and this city will never, never back them up.
She even stated the wrong color for CPD vehicle. A black & white ??? What a great witness she would be !!!
Most toll plaza's have camera all over, so lets see what the camera's have saved. And Then lets see that lady in civil court and pay damages for her statements on FOX.
what city drives black and whites????
ELGIN
Listen to her words, "in her opinion" "what she believes she saw" none of this matters, she doesnt even have the facts correct. She didnt see anything as she was driving by. Its all her own feelings which have nothing to do with facts. Unfortunately many judges go on feelings as well.
The best was she calls our vehicles
"black and whites" that tells you something about her observation abilitites! How many tickets or arrests are in her family background?
ANONYMOUS SAID -
First the fact that she states she saw an officer walk on the passenger side of the vehicle from the rear and shoot.
That is amazing!!! A bullet that can go thru the front windshield come back thru the same hole and strike offender sitting in the driver seat right in the chest!!! Those bullets must cost a fortune.
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Come on. Didn't you ever see WANTED with Angelina Jolie & Morgan Freeman?
If you flick your wrist right you can shoot a bullet on an eliptical pass. In simple terms - a curved trajectory.
How do they teach you to shoot at the Academy?? You should be able to shoot around obstacles - just like in the movie.
This can be done both with pistols and rifles. (curved bullet trajectory skills) so that would include the M4.
At this point I bet I have all the "Journalists" writing this down.
There is no such thing. DUHHHH!
Chicago Media (on MANY subjects) are clueless and to give yourselves "Emmies" like you do a great job on stories is the biggest joke.
As for the "real" CPD: go out and clean up Lincoln Park. You can do it.
Just like body language you can tell alot about a persons face. Observe her looks and eyes and her demo re. holding a gun. Ive seen more normal in homeless.
They will tear her a new ass in court. She'll rue the day she wanted to be on the news!
8/19/2009 02:13:00 AM
Excuse me, who is "they?" The only "they" that matters is a jury and "they" will believe her, not the police.
P.S. We look like a bunch of assholes attacking this woman on this blog. If we're all so sure it went down THE RIGHT WAY, why not say it. Where are the officers that were there? Why are they hiding as we attack what appears to be a decent lady? Does noone from OUR SIDE want to say what happened?
Journalism went out the window long ago, these whores are now into sensationalism. I only know of one news outlet that at least challenges credibility on wack-jobs.
Then I just dial into SCC to see if it was bullshit or not.
This also smells like a sewer rat attorney setting the stage for a typical bullshit shakedown....
The real problem is that a great majority of viewers will take that women's version as truth (what reason does she have to lie? right?). We can blog and bitch all we want about how wrong this is but the real question here is what is our department doing about this? What is our Union doing about this.
I truly understand the need to play your cards close to the vest in an on-going investigation, BUT, how about some sort of statement,a response, anything that will make the general public see that there is possibly another side to this story.
The NYPD has been very aggressive on this level. After every "controversial" event (and by controversial I mean a good police shooting) and after the subsequent jumping up and down by the reverends and hatred spewed from the media, normally, after a few days later to get the facts correct, they come up with a statement telling the policeman's side of the story. These statements go beyond the Pat Camden templated "officer feared for his life and shot" response and gives every major news outlet another side of the story to print or report which in most cases they do because it sells (not as much as anti-police rhetoric but it does sell). More importantly it give the average citizen that "ooooh, that makes sense now" moment (or "so there WAS a gun in his hand" or "so that guy was lying!).
Next, that woman, and every other "I seen that boy had no gun, had his arms up and police just shot him" witness needs to be served to testify in front of the Grand Jury. And then the witness should be reminded that you are to testify under penalty of perjury if you lie. After that witness has been torn to shreds it is up to us (once again b/c you know the State's Attorney's office doesn't give a shit) to make that witness statement public.
Our Union is swamped, our Department has been castrated and we just can't count on the blog (sincere apologies to SCC) to fight our battles.
"The black and white which you never see in the tollway, you always see the gold, state police". Are you fuckin' color blind you yuppie bitch?!
Elgin PD assisted on the scene...They drive black & whites
Sgt Don Jerome said the shooting was justified! Don Jerome is the best tactical sgt the 025 district has!
Keep writing their vans tickets. Over and Over and Over.
The CR# on Ruthie has been sustained!
Ill believe it when I see it!!!
I think as a citizen troller, its time you guys (and gals) start ignoring these kinds of stories and the press altogether. You can not make a silk purse out of a Larry Yellin sows ass. I hear him on Don & Roma. He is a typical know it all lawyer. My suggestion is be more judicial on media coverage postings to reduce collective blood pressure. Start ignoring the media more. We citizens are and frankly, our attitudes have been improving slightly. And above all, do not watch the 10:00 news. Try it for a week. Go to bed without that garbage being the last thing you hear and you will sleep better.
First off, I dislike Larry Yellin and his liberal "all cops are bad" mentality. What I do find disturbing though, is that police officers are risking their lives and careers dealing with victimless crimes like drug possession or sales. The war on drugs is lost. If the government has fought a war for over three decades and haven't won yet, it is over. Don't get caught up in the bullcrap and possibly get hurt in the process. CPD officers do not have the backing of their own department, the mayor, the alderpeople or the media. Don't stick your neck out for anything unless it is to protect another copper or a tax paying citizen. Be safe.
Anonymous said...
Everybody wants to be important. She got her 15 seconds at the detriment of the police. She can now go back to living her clueless, priviledged life in suburbia where she watches far too many "evil corrupt police" movies.
8/19/2009 12:24:00 AM
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Amen, Brother. Now you know why defense attorneys always try to pick the suburban clueless ones for jury duty. They can be bullshitted. TV cops are real to them.
love the last comments "I would love to hear there was an explanation for it um..that he is a big time drug dealer and he sells to little kids so I can justify all this" Please tell me how that would justify it? I guess trying to run over a police officer earlier doesnt make that "so I can justify it" list!!
POS
So easy to dismiss her as credible witness sounds like she was standing next to the offenders vehicle taking notes! Not!
Naperville PD drive black and whites.
Lets be honest, this is coming from someone who can't figure out how to use I-Pass.
Instead of running for GOP Cook County Prez, maybe you should concentrate on staying out of Fed prison Johnny Boy.
(OT) any info on IAD sergeant coming into 051 (midway) name of barnes? Is he investigating (JJ)?
This woman claimed that the police car that she observed was a "black and white", I am pretty sure that is wrong, among other things this do-gooder thinks she saw. FN B
Wow!!! I can not believe the comments. There are some real problems about what happened how many of you woke up the next day hearing what happened ,and said "Damn" the chase went all the way to Elgin? For what maybe drugs? What boss allows a chase to go on that long and not expect the Officers to make the News or have their asses handed to them. The Citizens just have one more reason to distrust the police.
Ruth Wedster for mayor.
Don't suppose this has anything to do with a certain Lt.'s run for Cook County office, as a Republican no less!!!! Smear campaign maybe???????? Fucking bullshit, dumbass bitch.
Why do you people even watch Fox TV or that shit bag Larry Smellen? That porno stache wearing shithouse failed lawyer has a looong history of misrepresenting stories involving chicago police as well as outwardly attacking chicago police officers during Smellen's smelecasts.
To Fox TV, Larry Smellen and your sponsors
I, or my families, have not patronized any sponsor that advertises on Fox news, especially during Smellen's smearcasts since 2006. I encourage all police officers and their families to do the same.
As a journalists, Smellen, you make a hell of a failed lawyer. F--k you now and forever. May you burn in hell with the rest of the failed lawyers.
P.S. We look like a bunch of assholes attacking this woman on this blog. If we're all so sure it went down THE RIGHT WAY, why not say it. Where are the officers that were there? Why are they hiding as we attack what appears to be a decent lady? Does noone from OUR SIDE want to say what happened?
YOU are not one of US...nice try though. If you're so interested in the actual story attend the court proceedings. The officers that were there aren't going to discuss the case on an open forum such as this. If YOU were one of US you would know that.
Larry Yellen is nothing more than a big pussy. He's a shit investigative Reporter for obvious reasons. I'd bet that he couldn't find his ass with both hands if he had to. It's amazing the shit yellow journalism they will put on the lib-comm mainstream news that passes as "Investigative reporting". what a joke that whole station [Fox 32]is...
"TWO completely impartial witnesses say the offender's car never moved.
8/19/2009 01:33:00 PM"
There is no such thing as an impartial witness.
Unless you're referring to a sharply focused video camera.
The women isn't even smart enough to have an I-Pass ......she was probably looking down for change heard a couple gun shots and thought to her self "this never happens in my neighborhood" and decided to look over and come up with a good story to have post tramatic stress syndrome from so she like everyone else can sue Chicago.
Hmm. The facts? Let's add them up:
1. A nonviolent, unarmed offender.
2. A 30-plus mile highway chase involving 27 CPD vehicles.
3. A whole bunch of lying about who really went out there.
4. No injured CPD officers.
5. A seemingly credible soccer mom witness.
6. A missing video of the incident.
By my count, add this all up and the verdict ought to be about $15,000,000. Keep it up, SCC. Your epidermis is showing.
Black and Whites? Good witness. How come he did not talk with the daughter?
She is a bleeding heart, liberal puke with no idea of what really went on. I hope her 15 minutes of fame will be worth the 200 HRS of civil court and testimony is worth it, when the Jag-off offender is tried and convicted and he gets no payday!!
guess what... the tollway has it all on tape!
lady, shut up, you are making your self look stupid!
Highland Park is the only local (Chicagoland) agency I have seen driving the Adam 12 black & white patrol car. Any others ?
8/19/2009 08:46:00 AM
Evergree Park has Black and Whites as patrol cars. Don't look to bad either
I'm an old lawyer. I have never defended criminals. (I guess I mean accused criminals.) Ever. And I never will. But, I have defended the good guys in federal court (that is to say, coppers). I have cross-examined many a witness, and I would love to have the chance to ask that sack of potatoes a few questions about her "spot on" observations. Any lawyer with 1/2 a brain should be able to dispose of her as a credible witness in 10 minutes or less. Pay no mind to her. And as for the ASAs which are so frequently complained about on this site (with good reason) . . . remember, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. God bless ALL coppers.
Did you just see channel 32 10pm news had an expose on Cmdr Ruth W. under investigation for possibly violating dept rules by using her position to get on the tarmack to meet piano man and rocket man? HEHEHEHEHE...I bet they got that from scc's site, and I love it!
Everyone knows we have cruisers, not black and whites.
Hmm. The facts? Let's add them up:
1. A nonviolent, unarmed offender.
2. A 30-plus mile highway chase involving 27 CPD vehicles.
3. A whole bunch of lying about who really went out there.
4. No injured CPD officers.
5. A seemingly credible soccer mom witness.
6. A missing video of the incident.
By my count, add this all up and the verdict ought to be about $15,000,000. Keep it up, SCC. Your epidermis is showing.
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1 - except for the part where he tried to run down an undercover officer in Chicago with a 3,000 pound vehicle, he was just a little kitty car;
2 - 27 cars would empty out a district. But if he tried to run over a cop, we'd better send 47 cars to catch him;
3 - GPS and cameras and people are going to lie? We hope they wouldn't be that stupid, but if so, then it's on them.
4 - Then why did paramedics treat two officers?
5 - Credible how? We destroyed her interview in under 10 minutes of writing. She admits to the reporter it may have happened too fast for her to remember everything as it happened. She has no credibility.
6 - What missing video? Just because the Tollway Authority hasn't released it to the media doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Believe us, the first thing they fix when it breaks on the Tollway is the video feeds - government gots to get paid fool!
And the $1 million bond on the jagoff kind of hints the judge thought there was enough evidence to hold him for the time being on a number of Class-X felonies.
Your $15 million just became a directed verdict. And not in your favor.
"Wow!!! I can not believe the comments. There are some real problems about what happened how many of you woke up the next day hearing what happened ,and said "Damn" the chase went all the way to Elgin? For what maybe drugs? What boss allows a chase to go on that long and not expect the Officers to make the News or have their asses handed to them. The Citizens just have one more reason to distrust the police.
8/19/2009 06:27:00 PM"
So don't call the cops.
Ever.
To whomever posted at 2:48pm- Yeah, Im sure the coppers involved are "hiding" as you put it. So you think they should come out here and post something on this blog while this whole incident is still under investigation!? And you call the woman on Fox "decent." Well you are an idiot...Why am I even giving time to type a response to your post???!!! I guess I should go back and hide with the other officers
Highland Park is the only local (Chicagoland) agency I have seen driving the Adam 12 black & white patrol car. Any others ?
Park Ridge also has black and white cars.
Hmm. The facts? Let's add them up:
1. A nonviolent, unarmed offender.
2. A 30-plus mile highway chase involving 27 CPD vehicles.
3. A whole bunch of lying about who really went out there.
4. No injured CPD officers.
5. A seemingly credible soccer mom witness.
6. A missing video of the incident.
By my count, add this all up and the verdict ought to be about $15,000,000. Keep it up, SCC. Your epidermis is showing.
8/19/2009 08:41:00 PM
1. Monday morning quarterback all you want, but armed and violent is how I treat everyone whose hands (and feet) I cannot see. Failing to comply with an officer's direct order (blue lights) makes you at best a passive resister, and at worst (I'll get to that) an assailant. As for unarmed, how would we know that? They could have a WMD in the car. We face that every day. The unknown.
2. I've been on 10-1's where there were blue lights for miles and dozens upon dozens of cars on scene. So now there is a limit to how many cars can ASSIST A PO?
3. Prove it. Or just accuse blindly and anonymously, hence not subjecting yourself to libel.
4. I guess agg batt/att murder of a P.O. leaves everyone uninjured.
5. Everyone is not what they seem. If you were a first reponder, you would know that. Everyone puts on a show to make him/herself more likable/tolerable to the world. Probably you too.
6. It was was tollboth. I assure you, there is video.
Unfortunately for you, our whole lives are not (yet) videotaped, but someday they will be. I know, as you're following this story with baited breath, video will emerge.
Bottom line, someone ran from the police. Someone who was dirty. Someone with a criminal record and tried to RUN OVER A POLICEMAN (assailant). Who is anyone to determine when or if deadly force is necessary? If I or one of my brethren feel in fear of their life, we are able to take action and prevent that from happening.
Was this thing a clusterfuck? Yes. was it handled appropriately? From your spot on the recliner with the remote in your hand? No.
From my perspective as someone whose every decision is made on their toes 8 hours a day? Everyone involved was right on.
And as for SCC's epidermis? It's bluer than any show you could catch in Vegas.
P.S. We look like a bunch of assholes attacking this woman on this blog. If we're all so sure it went down THE RIGHT WAY, why not say it. Where are the officers that were there? Why are they hiding as we attack what appears to be a decent lady? Does noone from OUR SIDE want to say what happened?
8/19/2009 02:48:00 PM
The only people from "OUR SIDE" that can comment is an authorized Department spokesperson, ie news affairs, which did comment, which is how you know what happened.
Yes it is a written rule. We are adults and have to follow the rules. What kind of retard are you to expect people to comment on pending cases that will likely bring a civil suit?
Yeah I'd like to make a comment to appease some yuppie fuck who has had his head stuck up his ass since he fell out of his mom's snatch. Hey go fuck yourself. It's like talking to a child. Two coppers went to the hospital, did you not read that? I know it blows a giant hole in your stupid thoughtless theory.
Eat a dick.
Most suburbs have now gone to black and whites. Along I-90 you have Harwood Hts, Park Ridge, Des Plaines, Mt Prospect, Palatine, Elgin, Barringtons(all), Huntley just to mention a few who have B&W's and may have joined in.
Another point, if this woman claims to have seen it all and she has I-Pass the exact time she went thru the toll gate would be recorded...and subject to subpoena, wonder if she was really there or drove by 20 minutes later????? Course, if she was traveling 50 mph what did she see hear? Fake!
I know EXACTLY who Fox got the story from. Hehehehehe. Have your fun now Mr. Frillypants cause nobody likes a snitch. Are you really that stupid to think in a city this size that more than a few coppers don't have family members with real jobs? The identity of the informer will be "leaked" I'm sure. Here tell you're a regular news tipper and exempts aren't the only one's you spill on. I won't rat you out because I'm not a fucking rat but these things have a way of getting around when a few start whispering.
she is an idiot...but remember one thing...this is a large portion of our jury pool
shiller and slim coleman met in an empty refridgerator box under a bridge.
Why waste your breath and get your blood pressure up. These are the kind of people that the MEDIA cater to. The subrbanites who say justification is "if he was a drug dealer selling to kids." These people are ignorant to the streets and especially when it come down to Police work. By the way IPRA will find her as a "CREDIBLE" witness because they believe all Police Officers are liars.
guess what... the tollway has it all on tape!
lady, shut up, you are making your self look stupid!
8/19/2009 09:33:00 PM
No, no, no. You guess what! The "TAPE" is missing. Now who's gonna look stupid?
U COPPERS CAN'T WIN! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK-A TAXPAYER
SCC, a question:
1. Will you apologize if the video is miraculously "found" and backs up the Soccer Mom?
She was tryng to find a son-in-law...
A juicy settlement and she won't have to work for the rest of her life, the wedding will be paid for, and his high-risk life style means he won't be around long.
From my perspective as someone whose every decision is made on their toes 8 hours a day? Everyone involved was right on.
And as for SCC's epidermis? It's bluer than any show you could catch in Vegas.
8/20/2009 02:47:00 AM
Then where is the video? You and SCC both insist that there must be one. Why haven't we seen it?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Naperville PD drive black and whites.
8/19/2009 05:59:00 PM
And Naperville is oh-so-close to Elgin, dontcha know!
Yeah I'd like to make a comment to appease some yuppie fuck who has had his head stuck up his ass since he fell out of his mom's snatch. Hey go fuck yourself. It's like talking to a child. Two coppers went to the hospital, did you not read that? I know it blows a giant hole in your stupid thoughtless theory.
Eat a dick.
8/20/2009 02:51:00 AM
Really? Two went to the hospital? So I guess the tire tread marks on the officer's pants in that TRU shooting prove conclusively that he was run over. It'll be a directed verdict in favor of the TRU officers at the civil trial....just like this one. Amirite? Dream on.
Grow a dick.
I know EXACTLY who Fox got the story from. Hehehehehe. Have your fun now Mr. Frillypants cause nobody likes a snitch. Are you really that stupid to think in a city this size that more than a few coppers don't have family members with real jobs? The identity of the informer will be "leaked" I'm sure. Here tell you're a regular news tipper and exempts aren't the only one's you spill on. I won't rat you out because I'm not a fucking rat but these things have a way of getting around when a few start whispering.
8/20/2009 07:36:00 AM
Why are you calling former Superintendent Brezak "Frillypants?" He represents the "victim," you know.
I would like to know why are you chasing a suburbanite buying drugs? Let him go so he can overdose who fucking cares. It's not worth it! This City will hang you. Of course no white shirt will suffer.
If there is a video of the incident the media should submit a FOIA request an air it, so that the citizens can see the real truth of what occurred. End of story.
"Then where is the video? You and SCC both insist that there must be one. Why haven't we seen it?
8/20/2009 06:39:00 PM"
Because you've got your head stuck waaaaay up into your ass.
"1. Will you apologize if the video is miraculously "found" and backs up the Soccer Mom?
8/20/2009 10:51:00 AM"
Ah, the old 'if' trick.
How often did your momma use that one on you?
Excuse me, who is "they?" The only "they" that matters is a jury and "they" will believe her, not the police.
P.S. We look like a bunch of assholes attacking this woman on this blog. If we're all so sure it went down THE RIGHT WAY, why not say it. Where are the officers that were there? Why are they hiding as we attack what appears to be a decent lady? Does noone from OUR SIDE want to say what happened?
when in doubt refere to the very first post on this topic.. that is a true account and proves she has a skewed version of what happened... i should know, i was there. hopefully she doesnt plan to testify to that... she may end up embarrassed which will open her up to some civil action.... signed, e.r. 025
"Then where is the video? You and SCC both insist that there must be one. Why haven't we seen it?
8/20/2009 06:39:00 PM"
**NEWSFLASH**
Maybe it hasn't been handed over to the media?
Perhaps it has to be subpoenaed and no trial has started?
Maybe not every agency/branch of government has something to gain by leaking it to the media?
Sit tight, it'll all play out.
In the meantime, feel free to sit, judge, and fuel fires from the comfort and anonymity of your computer.
hey, she was there, you wern't.
Elgin pd has black and whites.
The address of occurance,location of incident is within the jurisdiction of the city of elgin, county of kane, and illinois toll authority ie. ISP.
wtf were we handling this mess unless it was to protect the illustrious career of lt. JG
no video. NBC has leased cameras from i-dot. NBC controls the cameras for traffic and other misc reports. they did not have them positioned to capture this footage.
Two questions. What it Lt. J.G.'s clout? Thought it was Avila but he got dumped. Second, is no camera footage gonna be good for the upcoming trial?
Sooner or later this (fill in the blank) woman will be involved in a lot of time consuming bullshit that she helped start. I hope that her frustration level is extreme and becomes constant.
I hope that she becomes worried that the offender and his fellow gangbangers will know all about her. Her name, her address and that of her daughter.
She will then live in constant fear of those gangbangers, she choose which side to be on.
Recently, there was a case in the
9th district, when a woman, a business owner, someone who has some money, causes an accident with a young off duty police officer. She gets all outraged and claimed the O.D.P.O. was drunk. The officer calls for a supervisor, they call I.A.D. and observe that he is in no way drunk, but the woman insists and SHE SIGNS THE AFFIDAVIT. I.A.D. administers the breath test an the officer BLOWS ALL ZEROS.
I hope that this officer sues the shit out of this woman for this outrage. He should sue not only for himself but for the rest of us.
Maybe the woman who caused his accident will sue the Department. She could claim she was never warned she could be sued and could loose her business for false accusation of a police officer.
That may lead to some kind of Miranda like warnings that will have to be given to potential beefers that they could loose what they own for their lies.
I am not a police officer, but I am tired of the media always starting the news story making the police officers the bad guys. This woman could never of seen what happened, because it went down so fast, if not in an I-pass lane there is a large booth blocking her vision. If the man was so innocent why the chase. Most of us pull over when we see flashing lights behind us. How can police officers serve and protect, when everytime their envolved in something its there fault. not the crimminal who ends up suing and collecting their settlement while serving time in prison for the crime. The woman said it happened so fast she could be wrong, if your not sure what happened then why say anything at all. There are alwway those people that have to start trouble even when they don't know what their talking about. I hope the police that were involved in this are doing fine and for a change the city is on their side.
Recently, there was a case in the
9th district, when a woman, a business owner, someone who has some money, causes an accident with a young off duty police officer. She gets all outraged and claimed the O.D.P.O. was drunk. The officer calls for a supervisor, they call I.A.D. and observe that he is in no way drunk, but the woman insists and SHE SIGNS THE AFFIDAVIT. I.A.D. administers the breath test an the officer BLOWS ALL ZEROS.
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How did she find out the other party was an off-duty PO?
i want to thank all the police officers in the city that serve and protect us each and every day. I can not even imagine having to deal with the scum that they deal with each day. The little children they see injured, the people that are hurt. They try to protect but who protects them. We have citizens out there that put them down. God forbid that they need them in a pinch when they are being attacked or their loved ones killed. Start helping them by sticking up for them. It's their job to protect us start praising them, for a job well done. They deserve every penny they make.
You're my hero CPD!!!
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