Good Point About the Medical
Someone who's paying attention:
- Let’s just say they do take away our medical and give us 24 days a year. These medical days would trump all other comp time and they would have to give the person taking the day off because of medical reasons. Sooo take a wild guess what would happen on Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years eve, Bud Billiken, Gay Pride, Rican Fest and all the other f*cked up festivals that no one wants to go to and holidays that everyone wants to spend with their families? IM SICK.
Also, what happens to my 24 sick days after the year is over? You say I’m going to lose them huh? Well I’m going to start to get sick each December because I’m not giving anything back to the city after they took the medical away from me.
This would happen citywide in every district with disastrous results. The city has more to lose if the medical is taken away and they know it.
They should concentrate on the 1% of the dogs abusing it and leave it alone.
Well said.
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posted by SCC at 5:31 AM
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I do agree the medical abusers should be investigated and prosecuted if they are abusing it period ! .
They should also go after the light duty abuser also oh my back ,my crack , my stomach etc all these bull shit lies and the department provides these so call officers accommodation., let put these light lazy duties so call officers in busy district so they can work the phones get them out of these slow districts and placed them were they can be used .send them to 311 they can answers phones. So just don't make the medical abusers the issue there are light duty officers who are liars and abusing the system if anyone has stories let hear them .
it would not be 24 days a year, it would be 12 days. and your right, there would be way more medical roll abuse then there is now.
What does T Lardner's medical integrity team do...nothing. What a joke, they target the poor broken down officer, but not the sweet young thang.
Could someone please "fix" this medical mess...27 years later it is still the same.
Scc, this is is the best and most truthful thread you have ever had. I have several friends from college who work for suburban departments. The officers who only get a specific number of medical days each year and can't carry them over use all sick days every year. I know I would do the same. The Sgt, Lts, Etc would be right along with us.
The current system has it abusers but, look at how many officers rarely or never hit the medical. Taking away the current medical would make the guys with 10 plus years on the job and can count the days spent on the medical in their hands very bitter. Chicago has always been penny wise. This would be the situation here.
It will never happen it is politically incorrect. As some of our merit supervisors have stated "I'm not a medical abuser, I just know how to use the system."
Wow medical abusing has been going on forever and now it's an issue . Let talk about districts abuse. in ** district for example: there squadrol is the station security it's set up camp inside the station and everytime dispatcher needs a wagon it's always coming from the west oops the station . And what does the command staff do nothing ,how bout ** district that has traffic cars that only job is parkers amazing a traffic car which doesn't have to do traffic accidents . In the **district there traffic cars are always on station assignments getting food for desk or hold them down getting supplies or they go down on mission street cleaning the last there 8hour tour lol. How bout the district which has a burglary car that starts at 5:30 am in morning yes 5:30 am in the morning and there assignment is to do nothing just come to work and go home . Let get serious there more abuse out here than medical abuse !!! Wake up !!!.
SCC,
Just wanted to let everyone know that Capt TJL had to use the Medical this morning. I work the desk in 023, 1st watch. Apparently the good captian has a case of Balanitis. For those who are unaware Balanitis is an inflammation of the foreskin in uncircumcised men—a condition often caused by poor hygiene, infection, or irritation—may also be associated with sexually transmitted disease. Furthermore, test reveal that he has active case of Syphilis. This might explain his irrational thought process...haha. Hey, Captian pretty embarassing? I guess if it good for the goose it's good for the gander? Enjoy your three days off, but don't expect to return as 2399. I will be reassigning you to 2311 (as punishment for using the Medical.)
This is a joke. Meant to illustrate a point.
Speaking of Bud Billiken....isn't that coming up? lol
Why not just give the medical integrity unit some teeth and let them snare some of these chronic abusers?
In my district we've got a handful of abusers that a blind man could see. Why not fuck with these people?
The only way Rahmbo can take away/change our medical is to negotiate it out of our contract. FOP would never allow that right? Right?
They tried doing this in the late 90's. You had three occurences a year for up to three days and you could clear yourself in the station without havingto go to the medical section. Guess what, people used those three occurences. That program was dumped within a year.
Only solution is to set the dog catchers loose. Start doing surveilance on people suspected of abuse. Once you catch a couple of these abusers and you publicise it, I guarantee you medical use would start to decrease.
What would likely happen is that they anyone with a brain would use two a month. You'd also have everyone who sprains there ankle "Ballin'" hobbling it into work and finding a footchase to....well
Good post.
The biggest PLUS to the 24 days is that it is Medical time and the Deptarment CANNOT deny someone going on the Medical roll.
So yes, the Department would be in quite a pickle should 9.5 decide to necogiate something like this into the next contract.
And, why would we have to "give up" any days? The civilians do not. They carry over unused Medical days. I beleive ( I could be wrong) that they can accumlate up to 500 days before they start to lose them.
Civilians can also use their sick days for sick family members and doctors appointments. They can also take half sick days (3.5 hrs. - they only work a 7 hour day with an hour unpaid = 8)
Check out the civilian AFSCME contract.
Years ago I had a friend on a Texas police department who put in 20 years and retired and never took a sick day. He was able to cash in all those sick days.
Let's see: 13,000 police officers, take each one X (Number of Years served) X (24 Medical Days) (- number of days used) X (pay rate at the end) = A lot more money than what is spent on those who abuse the medical.
Leave it alone and go after the abusers.
1% is being kind...I am so sick of the medical abusers.
Heard years back when I was a unit rep,that the F.O.P wanted the city to release a racial breakdown of P.Os with a pattern of medical roll reoccurences.The city put a quick kabash on that idea.Hmmmmmmm
Speaking of abuses, whatever happened to the idiot in 017 that was caught playing hockey while he was on the medical. He claimed his doctor said it was good thereapy for his "injured" hand....WTF??!!
Heard this guy is on "IOD" now because he did not want to work the watch after being dumped from tac.
This is the shit that jeopardizes our medical
i couldnt agree more...years ago they did a study, and found that most officers dont abuse the medical...a very small percentage does abuse medical and re accurring i.o.d....i say...get rid of them all....and our union should not fight to keep these mutts....we all know who they are...and so does the city.
Very very well said.....must have been written by someone who knows the medical very very well and has given it alot of thought? HMMMMMM......
Here, Here!
All that could be done now but it isnt. Yes some would abuse it but it would not be worse than it is already.
Just because an idiot captain thinks the medical is full of abusers, doesnt mean it needs revamping. He thinks that about everything he cant control. The dept has proper controls in place, for this type of thing.This captain is a tool who thinks he is better than any of us.
Concentrate on the abusers !!!!!!! Same people all the time. Some with years on the medical. Not fit for duty, goodbye !!!
Medical Integrity Unit needs to be privatized and operated by the insurance companies paying the 1% medical abusers bills.
Follow around the slugs and get rid of the fakers.
Give the remaining "light duty" slugs an option to heal or go on a prorated disability.
Better yet, eliminate (suspend) Duty Availibity and Uniform Allowances for long term Medical and Light Duty status. Then watch a miraculous event as hundreds begin to 'walk again'.
There are some truly sick and injured officers within our ranks and the scoundrels are ruining our benefits by committing fraud every day in every district and unit.
For the rest of us who have managed to somewhat stay healthy and uninjured, we'll soon suffer the consequences of abuses of so few.
It was never an intention to get hurt fighting with some nut, getting shot or stabbed, flying to a 10-1 and getting broadsided, but walking stairs, dropping a book on your toe or pulling a door handle doesn't qualify for a year on the medical.
What's the rule on stitches? Heard you can't work with them, yet some of the doctors out there want you back at work in an office unarmed? Answer the phone? If that's the case then everyone should work in the office. Just plop folks in chairs with their broken bones and various other health problems too, right? Do we have all this office space?
Heard about 4 medical check event numbers pulled ar different addresses in 008 yesterday Found it strange
This a very nice theory, but unworkable and will never happen. Private industry has been using sick days for some time now and know how to control the abusers. You , for the most part, cannot use sick days as just another day off.I retired from the job and went into private industry. The attitude of way too many Chicago police officers would never work either in the outside world or in other police departments. In the real world, people do what theier boss tells them to do or they risk losing their job. The same goes for suburban police departments. I think a reality check is in order.
The probably would give 12 days a year, and not 24.
They should concentrate on the 1% of the dogs abusing it and leave it alone.
I second that.
Though I agree with your assertion, I think the 18 to 24 day per year medical policy would be cumulative. You would have to be an idiot to blow those days in the event of a real injury such as an off-duty broken leg, car accident or worse yet, any type of cancer that would cause you to lose work. Off course thats not to say that there aren't alot of idiots on this job
Well, I have not hit the medical in years. Say they take away the medical as it now stands and give me 24 days a year. Sounds like 2 extra days a month to take off. Don't want to see it go to that, but sure as hell I will use the 24 days as I see fit. They want to take away our most important benefit and reduce it to 24 days? I will start using it then. Screw them. If it goes to 24 days, I would bet money the city will have more people going on the medical than ever before. I hope it bites them in the ass if they change it.
Not only that, more people will feel that they have to use these sick days otherwise they would be a fool to let them go unused So the end result would be MORE people using the medical. The only thing I could see rahm trying is to give a min. amount of days. Like 5 a year, but the result would be the same. I'll take my five on prime days.
Enough about the medical already - repeated studies both by the department and an outside consultant show that medical roll days per officer would increase if we went to a "sick day" policy. It's not going to change, except to increase pressure on the abusers (as it should).
This is such a good point. A few years ago I saw the Statistical report that broke down the Medical Roll. That Report boiled down usage by Sex, Race, Average time on Medical and "Chronic Abusers" time on medical.
Lets just say OH MY GOODNESS- Im suprised that the Medical Intregrity Unit isnt expanded and abusers are slapped extrememly hard, and long-term investigations arent a thing that occur on a regular basis.
Not counting IOD, Ive been on medical twice in 20years. Each time Ive had to pull the medical order. Ya Im lucky, Ive been healty, but the abuse is gonna screw things up for those truely in need.
Actually, the city doesn't know or care. You give management way too much credit, sir.
keep dreaming , we'll be lucky to get 12 days a year like civilians
rumor is civilians will lose 4 medical days a year
Use them or lose them. Just like the private sector workers.
How much longer can Carothers last?
7/20/2011 08:22:00 AM
I would say today's' Comstat meeting should just about do it. People being shot, jobs waiting, no backup but we can put a whole bunch of people and a Sergeant on the buses with Saturday/Sunday off. Thanks for the help.
..watch bully punk mayor Rahm jump all over reporter Mary Ann Ahern of NBC. She exposed the king buffoon as a hypocrite, and he gets hot.
I don't use the medical, so give me my 24 "sick" days. I feel something coming on already.......
That's exactly what happens in all the other departments that have sick days...
I can't have the day off? I'm sick
Work a holiday? I'm sick
The only reason that the days are not burned is because they carry over. The original author is absolutely correct.
Exactly what I was thinking! I couldn’t have said it better myself. And believe me, after 23 years on the job and only using 6 non-IOD medical days, there is no way I would lose my medical days. Are ya listening Rahm?
It is the same 700 people that account for 80% of all medical abuse. The study was completed years ago and the medical section increased the staff to address this abuse. The staff is now depleted to less than 5 total.
i worked the suburbs as a copper before coming to chicago and they had they same thing.......and yes everyone was sick due to holidays, which meant alot of ordered double shifts.... Oh and after 3 days on the medical when u came back to work you HAD to have a medical clearence even though you HAD to take your medical days.......Medical might be getting a bit busier
Ballpark figures... 20 medical days a year x 20 yrs = 400 days x 8 hrs = 3200 hrs. x 50 bucks an hr.=160,000 - 40% taxes = 96,000. JACK!
There is always a loop hole to scam!
One sick day a month. Note from Dr. Required if used on a Holiday. Only 1 year, (12 days can be kept, must be used by end of year, and Manpower must be adequate to use accumulated days as a baby furlo. DC's will review and advise Med. Section in abuse of sick days is suspected. Run ou of Medical Days, time due, BF's, PD's, V-days must be used. Just a rumor milling around.
Yep this us true! You use'em or lose'em
bosses should stop rewarding the abusers...
Dam right Id take em all. I'd be sure to add them to my weekend & furlo. Esp in December when i would lose them. i'd be off from Dec 9ish til after the new year.
As with the County, if they give you fixed sick days, They cannot make you go to the medical section, cannot do a home check or question the reason. Fine by me. I don't use or abuse it anyway. If they drop it to 24, I have 24 extra days to take off when I don't feel like going to work. Don't use them now because it's such a hassle, but they want to change it, I will.
Plus people could stock-pile comp time. Burn a sick day instead of taking cu. After 20 years that's 4000 hrs of cu saved to cash out!!
THEY KNOW THIS.
AND WHEN YOUR ARMS R BROKE OR U HAVE STITCHES?
WORKSMANS COMP? PAID LEAVE.
THEY ARE BLOWING SMOKE AGAIN TRYING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.
AND THEY STILL WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR UR UNUSED MEDICAL FOR FEAR THAT EVERYONE WOULD USE THEM.
Print that up and read it at roll call - each roll call- for the next 30 days. Ha, ha, ha.
1%??????????? Thats just on the desk. Every district I have been in it has been well over 1%. You never see these people so you forget.
If you look at things in the terms of man-days lost when someone is on sick time just look at the number of man-days wasted on body guards for ex-mayors that are not city employees anymore -- that contribute nothing for the tax dollars spent protecting them!
How much longer do we keep paying and paying and paying for that?
Then add the man-days lost for the alderman's bodyguards and drivers.
That wasted manpower, and I don't care if they have been cut and are now using retirees to fill the bill, it's STILL money wasted and could be better used elsewhere. Why are we doing it at all!
How about a ZERO tolerance policy.
Political officials often like ZERO tolerance policies so let's have one on that!
Hey!
If the aldermen and the ex-mayor don't feel safe put a curfew on them like they are pushing for the children of the city.
Make the aldermen be at home and in bed by the time the street lights come on.
They have no business being out on the streets with 24 hour protection.
Lock them in their mansions in the slums.
Hell, don't worry boys..We can put up a pod cam in front of your house if you don't already have one and should something happen to you like happens to the citizens of your communities every single day...don't worry...we'll have a video tape to "bring the perps to justice". You have 911 just like us, call it and wait your turn.
Isn't that good enough for you?
You seem to think that it's good enough for everyone else!
Furthermore what happened to cutting the total number of aldermen?
Did you get all the mileage out of that for an election campaign and now you're done Mr. Mayor? I call bullshit!
In recent publications it has been stated that Chicago's 2011 population has dropped to the same level it was way back in 1910.
How many wards and aldermen did Chicago have back then in 1910 guys? Was it 35?
Why do we need so many more today especially since we have all these modern 21st century technological advancements that enables us to do so much more with less?
We cannot afford 50 aldermen.
Close the ward offices consolidate the staff and redraw the maps.
Double up baby. Share your staff and office space, the glory days are over.
Id take the sickdays over the Medical. I never get to use/abuse the Medical anyway. It is a great benefit that is abused by a few that should be fired. I would like to have the 3 days off option before needing to visit the Medical Section again. I would rather not be burning Comp. Time just to shake a cold...... The current set up is made for the dogs.
So true, so true. That would be my plan of action.
Sounds about right...now you would get two 24day furlough..that 7a or 13b u could never get looks good now..
Probably many of those "dogs" who abuse it are probably connected and can call their Chinaman for help. We have the greatest medical in the country. For those of us who area really sick or injured the medical as we have it is a Godsend. Leave it to coppers to fuck it up like every thing else.
There is a Clause in the Personal rules that state the City can terminate for Abuse of Paid Time off.
The City can Demand DOctors notes or Refuse to approve SP days (Sick/Paid) and turn them into SN days (Sick/No Pay).
Shift Supervisors have to approve the SP and can Report to their Bosses employees that start to show a pattern of missing time at specific times of the year.
SP is denied during Holidays without doctors notes in Other City Departments.
You don't want to lose your Medical.
Not to mention the injury issue. Broken bones take 6-8 weeks to heal, how would that work? IOD? Surgeries? We don't have an office job where we can go to work on crutches or an arm in a sling. I agree. Do something about the list of abusers.
I would rather take my own time when I'm sick. The medical section makes it such a pain in the ass, especially if you're going to be off more than 3 days.
I don't think people realize not many people are abusers. They think we are free to take as many days as we want, etc.
They don't realize we have to call in every day and visit the medical section routinely if you have an extended illness.
Plus once you use up your time, it takes another year to get any back. Or is it 2 years? I can't remember.
Not to mention being off more than 3 days means you have to have a doctor's note to return.
haha 24 days a year medical
we'll be lucky to get 12
that's the only way to stop the medical abuse on cpd
There is nothing wrong with the medical the way it is now. What they need to do is go after the abusers in a very vigorous way! They need to look at the abusers history of countless silly injuries all over their bodies. I'm not talking about the people that are on the med. for a few days with a cold or flu cause we all would rather they stay home anyway. I'm talking about the ones that just don't want to come to work and make the shit up. These are the same ones that live a normal life doing all kinds activities just like if they were healthy. Which most are. Once again a few ruin it for the rest.
24 more days off a year!
No more 13B furlo, just hit the medical.
Bring it U stoopid phukked up city
Anonymous said...
They should concentrate on the 1% of the dogs abusing it and leave it alone.
7/18/2011 11:44:00 AM
Many years ago, the union sincerely offered to support the City's intent to fire CPD medical abusers. The City was confused at this action but the union correctly reasoned that the medical was for use by members who were ill, and that there was no reason to jeapardize this right, that had been bargained into our contract, because of a handfull of abusers who did not care about their fellow officers.
As the City revved up to go after the abusers, they discovered something that set them back on their heels and ended their attempt to fire people.
Turns out the City had spent years in court battles with the DOJ fighting affirmative action in hiring and promotions. A Federal judge (Prentiss Marshall) was assigned as a sort of overseer on all hiring and promotional lists in order to guarantee that the "right number" of minorities were being hired and promoted. Without being politically correct here, suffice to say that if the medical abusers were fired, the delicate balance of racial quotas that were being forced on the CPD by Judge Marshall would be severely altered and that is why there has never been any more than talk when it comes to firing medical abusers. I am only speaking about back then. I can't honestly say that this is still currently the case.
Civilians are given one medical day a month. They can be rolled over from year to year up to a certain amount.
Better yet, if I do not get sick or use any of my 24 days, pay me for them at the end of every year, kinda like a Christmas Bonus Check.
That way, everyone will keep working if they want the dough.
Anonymous said...
it would not be 24 days a year, it would be 12 days. and your right, there would be way more medical roll abuse then there is now.
What does T Lardner's medical integrity team do...nothing. What a joke, they target the poor broken down officer, but not the sweet young thang.
Could someone please "fix" this medical mess...27 years later it is still the same.
7/21/2011 06:16:00 AM
There's always IOD...
I would have a scheduled sickness every year so that I don't lose it.
FUCK YOU RAHM!
Da Pelon :P
thank you
Everyone keep bitching about the medical, thats what they want. don't question our fucked up promotional exams, our fine states attorney's that just luv us, the discrepancy in handing out punishment blue shirt vs. white, the lack of compitant supervisors as Captain (cowboy Boots) Lemmer has so graciously pointed out, and oh ya that little thing called a pension, how about we focus our energy on this, before it is to late.
Speaking of Bud Billiken....isn't that coming up? lol
7/21/2011 07:09:00 AM
Cancelled due to excessive heat !
Speaking of abuses, whatever happened to the idiot in 017 that was caught playing hockey while he was on the medical. He claimed his doctor said it was good thereapy for his "injured" hand....WTF??!!
Elementary my dear Watson!
There are so many officers on duty disability who have been on for over ten years and will milk the system for another 20 years. Time to change who qualifies for 75% and who stays on disability until retirement. Friends of FOP and Pension board members have drained our pensions with their bullshit IOD's. If these guys can work TSA, security jobs, have a business aond work other jobs they can sit at a desk.
All you guys bitch and moan about medical abusers. You should worry about yourself before throwing other people under the bus. In 18yrs on the the job I've never been on the medical but it's not my business why someone else uses it. One day I might need it also and you guys want the people fired. Remember we are all supposed to be the cops and have each others back because the city and public won't.
Tuffy
Use them or lose them. Just like the private sector workers.
7/21/2011 10:14:00 AM
We're not private sector dumb ass! They can go to work with a broken leg. We can't. They can go to work with the flu. We can't.
OT.... Capt. of police given 30 pending along with his lakey SGT. Word is they took down two P.O.'s with them. Why.... Cause they stuffed their arrogant faces at a downtown restaurant, demanded a discount, were rebuffed, and then maced the place on thier way out.Causing the place to be evacuated an a hazmat called. Jody the coward kept it under his large hat because he did not need a scandal and was scheming to bilk chicago taxpayers out of more money at the time. Now all three P.O.S. white shirts (the 3 amigos from Blagos camp from 014 who went to 025 a few years back have all been fucked). Good for them . Word is they told the P.O's that were with them that they were heavy and to just tell IAD they they were not there. Ha ha, There was a video and rule 14 got them too. This has been confirmed. So now, since Frank Main is a pussy and was Jody's #1 pantyless cheerleader, we can only hope that FRAN or someone will balls can bring this to light so we disgruntled pension hounds that get shot at all day in one man cars, can all track the 2 tiered system of discipline of the bullshit CPD handpicked police board that rules as the winds of daleys farts blow. Yeah I said it.
No clout equals a hearty, "fuck you."
Denial
anger
bargaining
depression
acceptance
Revolution
can i get paid like weis....
ok who cares about the medical abusers go after the millions of welfare abusers..
And, why would we have to "give up" any days? The civilians do not. They carry over unused Medical days. I beleive ( I could be wrong) that they can accumlate up to 500 days before they start to lose them.
Civilians can also use their sick days for sick family members and doctors appointments. They can also take half sick days (3.5 hrs. - they only work a 7 hour day with an hour unpaid = 8)
Check out the civilian AFSCME contract.
7/21/2011 07:24:00 AM
Civilians earn half the pay of sworn and learned to save their medical days. A major illness could wipe out those medical days then the pay stops. I take one day for a cold or flu while watching aworn take a week off for the same illness. Of course civilians do not work in a beat car. Learn to appreciate the generous benefits you receive.
Speaking of abuses, whatever happened to the idiot in 017 that was caught playing hockey while he was on the medical. He claimed his doctor said it was good thereapy for his "injured" hand....WTF??!!
Heard this guy is on "IOD" now because he did not want to work the watch after being dumped from tac.
This is the shit that jeopardizes our medical
who is the person ?
ASFME city workers are given 7 hours medical per month and are allowed to carry 1400 hours max which equals 200 days. They have a 35 hour work schedule. I'm pretty sure they are unable to cash this in upon retirement. They simply need to hammer/fire about 50 people who are abusing the medical and I believe things would fall into line.
We need to hold the line to keep the medical as is because you never know when you will be sticken with some sort of disease, one that is hopefully cureable.
As long as Rahm is doing a thorough cleaning he should start where the most obvious abuses are and that certainly is not at the CPD as far as medical abuse goes. Working police do get hurt. Chasing, running, tackling, tripping and falling take a toll especially when you're not twenty one anymore. It's a dangerous job becoming more so every day. Almost all of us have friends or family that work in other city depts and we hear the nonsensical stories of being "hurt on the job" by falling boxes, tripping over open desk drawers, falling on wet floors and down freshly washed staircases. Clean off your own porch over there at City Hall before you come looking to tell us to clean up ours.
i can guarantee that all of you idiots bitching about medical roll abusing are very healthy and young. but if you ever get hurt outside IOD or just rather get older from all that runnin and gunnin you tough guys are doing and your body starts to hurt remember what you said on this blog. when they cut you down to twelve days a year and you got a broken leg; your out six months and a family to feed and bills are piling up then what??? you'll be the same dumbass that will be bitching on this blog about how the medical is unfair and doesnt give you enough time to heal. so stfu let the dogs be thats for the W/C to deal with. and mind your own biz.
Every employer has the same problem with people abusing sick days of whatever type.
Some places have a pretty liberal policy in regards to what constitutes a sick day, some even pay employees for unused sick time at the end of the year.
It is probably harder to make a sick day benefit work when you need 24/7 coverage. people are naturally going to cheat on weekends and holidays.
Other 24/7 type organizations have sick days and make it work.
when they cut you down to twelve days a year and you got a broken leg; your out six months
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This kind of thing should be handled by disability insurance.
If they go to days then they also wont be able to drop by to check on you. Its your sick day. So no need for the medical integrity unit then. ha.
There is a certain medical abusing officer in 25 that knows about the medical integrity unit. She just got off an IOD ( ya sure, more bs) but will now be taking 30 days for getting caught on her last bs medical stint. About time they start trying to stop abusers like her. And if she thinks there will be a benifit for her, think again. We are all sick of her bullshit. Enjoy your $6500 loss.
Hey 08:42....if you are on extended medical (heart attack, surgery, whatever) they do stop your duty availability pay.
According to a conversation I had with an Inspector, about 3% of the manpower is responsible for about 50% of the medical man-days.
Most people are pretty legit. When someone is tagged for a Medical Roll procedure violation, it is usually a rare user who didn't cross his "T's" and dot his "I's". The experienced MR abuser doesn't get caught because he knows the G.O. backwards and forwards.
Why is anyone even talking about 24sick days? Can anyone name even one place that gives 24 sick days?
12 days, people, and the city in the past has allowed civilians to accumulate up to 200 days. That would be almost 17 years of not using sick days. 17x12 = 204 days.
So there would be no such thing as "use them or lose them" for 17 years. Then cash these days at retirement, how about rewarding those that show up to work with some money when they retire?
Anonymous said...
It is the same 700 people that account for 80% of all medical abuse. The study was completed years ago and the medical section increased the staff to address this abuse. The staff is now depleted to less than 5 total.
7/21/2011 10:51:00 AM
If the study was done years ago then I applaud them depleting the unit. If they couldn't get the abusers in a couple years they are just milking the system themselves. How much time do you need to clear this crap up if you already had the report of the abusers??? Crazy.
They also need to start with people on light and convalescent duty. People have been in either status forever and are fine! Too afraid to go out and be the police! Give up those spots for old timers and for real injured people!
The attitude of way too many Chicago police officers would never work either in the outside world or in other police departments. In the real world, people do what theier boss tells them to do or they risk losing their job. The same goes for suburban police departments. I think a reality check is in order.
7/21/2011 08:52:00 AM
Hey asshole,most suburban police depts handle one job a day if that and don t have to deal with the REV PEople. I have handled jobs where i fought with these asshole and came out with some bruises yet didn t hit the medical or did paper. After a while it adds up on the body(back,shoulders,hands). I don t know how much i saved the city by not hitting the medical or bullshit I.O.D. Now times this by 1000 s of hard working coppers.So don t try to compare apples to oranges.Big city police work is a unique job.So don t say a reality check is needed.They (private) dont have to deal with our bullshit or HAVE to live surrounded by Demokrats.
Go ahead please give us 12 days a year BUT can i have credit for the last twenty years of NEVER once taking a medical day?
All you guys bitch and moan about medical abusers. You should worry about yourself before throwing other people under the bus. In 18yrs on the the job I've never been on the medical but it's not my business why someone else uses it. One day I might need it also and you guys want the people fired. Remember we are all supposed to be the cops and have each others back because the city and public won't.
Exactly, if you think Rahm doesn't have people reading this blog in an attempt to measure our resolve then you aren't very smart. No one should be suggesting giving up any of our rights. I have no problem with investigating abusers, that's fine but you show absolute weakness when you suggest our benefits be reduced. The old timers know we already had those benefits reduced, now it's 364 days every two years. Let the contract negotiations take place, and stop showing your hand, indicating that some of you are willing to accept less. Some of the people on this blog are just foolish, you better start thinking about the future. Statistically, a good percentage of you are going to need extended medical, IOD, or Limited Duty and it will be for legitimate reasons. You better hope it's still available when you need it.
Just some food for thought, sworn employees of the sheriff's office (DOC,Courts,CCSPD) all accrue one medical day a month/twelve within a year. This time has been determined by multiple arbitrators and several judges to not be the "officer's" time but to be time the employer sets aside for employees to use for legitimate medical purposes. The employer has terminated employees for improper use of their medical time, taking medical when no time is accrued, and employees have been disciplined for setting "patterns" for their use of that time, for example taking thanksgiving,xmas/eve,new years/eve,day before/after a holiday,day before, of, or after a payday, and day before or after an employee's rdo. So while people may feel that this may give them more freedom, it will but only until CPD implements a similar set of rules and regulations.
I haven't hit the medical in years, I have the ribbon to prove it..bwahahahaha.. Seriously, go after the abusers. We all know who they are in any district. Don't take away a good benefit because of the dogs-asses
i can guarantee that all of you idiots bitching about medical roll abusing are very healthy and young. but if you ever get hurt outside IOD or just........
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We're NOT talking about limiting the days, dumbass. We're talking about going after the abusers and NOT punishing those of us who don't abuse. If your legit or IOD, I'm all for it, but I'm tired of being threatened with losing this benefit because dog-asses don't wanna come to work. Instead of punishing the rest of us, punish them. It's one thing to say 'let the wc get them", but I have YET to see it happen, have you?
Anonymous said...
And, why would we have to "give up" any days? The civilians do not. They carry over unused Medical days. I beleive ( I could be wrong) that they can accumlate up to 500 days before they start to lose them.
Civilians can also use their sick days for sick family members and doctors appointments. They can also take half sick days (3.5 hrs. - they only work a 7 hour day with an hour unpaid = 8)
Check out the civilian AFSCME contract.
7/21/2011 07:24:00 AM
Civilians earn half the pay of sworn and learned to save their medical days. A major illness could wipe out those medical days then the pay stops. I take one day for a cold or flu while watching aworn take a week off for the same illness. Of course civilians do not work in a beat car. Learn to appreciate the generous benefits you receive.
7/21/2011 04:42:00 PM
My friends this is why our benefits are always tampered with. Civilians cannot compare themselves to our job. Hey Civie... do you come to work each day and work on a new desk and computer and new chair that someone else used earlier, sneezed on farted on and had who knows what on their hands?
I bet your exposure to germs on your cpd job is more controlled than ours.
Do you get slapped, shot at, spit on, pushed down, choked, punched, etc. while you are at your little desk? I didn't think so. So you see the sworn guy take a week off and you don't take a week. Boo hoo. Look its high time civilians who really cannot stand the police and are jealous of our benefits AS IF WE WORK IN THE SAME TYPE OF JOB do us a favor and go find a job in the private sector. This includes all those civilian bosses who think they know what is best for a sworn officer. Yeah you know who you are.
From a timekeeper civilians lose their medical time when they retire. Only bought out for comp time no more than 240hrs. Read the contact carefully
For the guy with 18yrs on and never used the midical, we bitch about the abuser because with man power down and pos on furlo somethimes i cant take a day off because they cant fill the sheets..thats why we bitch,it F* it up for you too.
I havent gone on medical for over 8 plus years and then they gave us a medal for the uniform.
When I got it I felt like an idiot, sad and sorry to say.
Because now I started to think of all the time others that I have known or suspected to have known that were abusing the medical.
I also thought of what I never GOT:
-Any extra consideration for desiring to take time due over others but then still denied due to W/C reasons or whatever story of manpower they gave me.
-a CAR or beat or even watch or plain clothes consideration, 06 or tact or gangs.
-an opportunity to go to a UNIT
-promoted (at least this lack of abuse should be considered somewhere as "points" on a test. I knew people that hit medical to STUDY before exams)all along I showed up and had court etc.
- a chance to ever sell back any medical time unused nor gain any extra furlo days since I "always showed up to work unless I dropped a slip" ( POSSIBLY this issue is something to be negotiated in future contractual bartering)
-Lastly, peace of mind (I always feel like I am damned if I do and damned if I don't)
3 bars
I agree, what they really need to do is give the medical integrity unit some teeth, and get after the light duty abusers. Do you have any idea how many of those "oh my back" abusers are hiding in the court section??!! They're dumping people from every where but there. You get rid of the true medical abusers, force all these non-IOD light duty scammers off the job and you don't have a problem. The city saves millions. But too many of these scammers are connected so they won't go after them. What are you waiting for GMac??? Clear out the court section! By the way, why do these light duty people get to collect the quarterly duty availability check?? They aren't available for anything. Hey look, another $600,000 a year saved!!!
Don't just love going to a district/watch party and you see the same medical abuser(s) bellied up to the bar drinking. Telling everyone who will listen how they are the "real" police. GFY!
So just don't make the medical abusers the issue there are light duty officers who are liars and abusing the system if anyone has stories let hear them .
Narcotics has a "light duty" po who's been there, COUNT'EM, over 12 YEARS! How do I know this? Because she was light duty when I got here. And I've been here just over 12 years. There's also male who has to be in at least his 5th "light duty" year. Both paper-shufflers and desk jockies.
don't be surprised if Rahm throws the "12 sick day" thing on the table during next round of negotiations, then....offer to pull it, in exchange for little or no raise, maybe even a giveback of some p-days or bfd days....the next round of contract talks may last past his first term....
Sorry, champ. But nobody gives a shit what happens in 001. Don't like it there? I think you know the rest.
Anonymous said...
i can guarantee that all of you idiots bitching about medical roll abusing are very healthy and young. but if you ever get hurt outside IOD or just rather get older from all that runnin and gunnin you tough guys are doing and your body starts to hurt remember what you said on this blog. when they cut you down to twelve days a year and you got a broken leg; your out six months and a family to feed and bills are piling up then what??? you'll be the same dumbass that will be bitching on this blog about how the medical is unfair and doesnt give you enough time to heal. so stfu let the dogs be thats for the W/C to deal with. and mind your own biz.
I believe we are discussing two different programs. The 12 Sick days would be just for sick days-the flu, a pulled tooth etc... In addition there would be some type of long term insurance to cover things like a broken leg, cancer etc...
Do you realize how stupid so many of you sound? We are going to lose the best medical leave in the nation. It will be replaced with cumulative sick days; you would be an idiot not to save your time. One catastrophic illness will wipe you out of sick time, and you will be unemployed. Try and take a fake sick day for a holiday and you
will end up with a suspension. Shields & Co. will NEVER be able to keep this medical as we know it.
All you guys bitch and moan about medical abusers. You should worry about yourself before throwing other people under the bus. In 18yrs on the the job I've never been on the medical but it's not my business why someone else uses it. One day I might need it also and you guys want the people fired. Remember we are all supposed to be the cops and have each others back because the city and public won't.
Tuffy
What?
(A) You sound like a complete tool.
and
(B) Fuck YOU!
So, lemme try to understand this;
It's your position that we should support (not worry about) dogass medical abusers? Even though they don't give a fuck about leaving their fellow officers short handed on the street?
And your line for such reasoning is that though you've never used the medical, you may want to some day?
Sounds more like "I've never abused the medical". "But I may want to some day".
I reiterate Fuck YOU, Tuffy!
I have hit the medical twice in 17 years for a total of 10 days. If they go 24,14, or whatever amount of sick days per year, I will use all of those days every year from here on out until I retire and save my comp time. They are going to create more medical abuse if they change things. Go after the slugs who linger on it for bullshit.
i can guarantee that all of you idiots bitching about medical roll abusing are very healthy and young. but if you ever get hurt outside IOD or just rather get older from all that runnin and gunnin you tough guys are doing and your body starts to hurt remember what you said on this blog. when they cut you down to twelve days a year and you got a broken leg; your out six months and a family to feed and bills are piling up then what??? you'll be the same dumbass that will be bitching on this blog about how the medical is unfair and doesnt give you enough time to heal. so stfu let the dogs be thats for the W/C to deal with. and mind your own biz.
So then, you support medical role abuse?
Speaking of abuses, whatever happened to the idiot in 017 that was caught playing hockey while he was on the medical. He claimed his doctor said it was good thereapy for his "injured" hand....WTF??!!
Elementary my dear Watson!
No shit Sherlock!!!
2 tiered system of discipline of the bullshit CPD handpicked police board that rules as the winds of daleys farts blow.
Your'e saying the Capt. and Sgt. are getting 30 pending, then where is the 2 tiered system doofus?
Anonymous said...
i can guarantee that all of you idiots bitching about medical roll abusing are very healthy and young. but if you ever get hurt outside IOD or just rather get older from all that runnin and gunnin you tough guys are doing and your body starts to hurt remember what you said on this blog. when they cut you down to twelve days a year and you got a broken leg; your out six months and a family to feed and bills are piling up then what??? you'll be the same dumbass that will be bitching on this blog about how the medical is unfair and doesnt give you enough time to heal. so stfu let the dogs be thats for the W/C to deal with. and mind your own biz.
7/21/2011 04:53:00 PM
Come down with cancer and see how much you like 12 medical days a year.
Anonymous said...
Use them or lose them. Just like the private sector workers.
7/21/2011 10:14:00 AM
What private sector workers do what we do? I can't carry over any medical days either. If sick I must provide documentation, sign a paper giving authorization for my doctor to send my medical file to the CPD and submit to examination by a doctor of CPD's choosing.
Where is the abuse? If Chicago, City of, does not enforce their own rules then shame on them.
Besides, by time they manage to change the medical roll I will be retired and moved away.
Whoever wrote that the majority of medical abusers belonged to one racial group was correct. That is when the city backed off last time they wanted to change the medical. It would look like they were profiling and you know all about profiling, not in this city, not on this department. Thanks to TH.
I worked the burbs before coming here. We had twelve days a year. I got hurt off duty and was out for four months with no pay.
The pension has to kick in at that point, as you are considered disabled. It takes time and your bills pile up. Not a good thing if you have a family to feed and no outside insurance to cover this type of situation.
Don't fuck up a good thing here? They won't because it would cost more in the long run than what we have now. Go after the abusers.
How is this different than any other district? 007 is the only place with people being shot and there being a backlog?
How much longer can Carothers last?
7/20/2011 08:22:00 AM
I would say today's' Comstat meeting should just about do it. People being shot, jobs waiting, no backup but we can put a whole bunch of people and a Sergeant on the buses with Saturday/Sunday off. Thanks for the help.
Females on maternity leave don't have that time counted against them as "medical" days used. That's six paid weeks off. That's a federal law i believe, but to not have that time off counted as "medical days used" is bullshit.
Forget medical roll abuse, just go after all the supervisors that have a screw loose & create a hostile work envoirment (district station, etc..).
The "medical problem" is such a smaller part of the problem. How about a guy that goes 20 years doing nothing but show up to work and talk on the phone or text, oblivious to everything around him/her checking off with nothing but Zeros each and every night. Fire the medical abusers AND fire the "veterans" with a history of Zero . Time on the job means nothing if you've done nothing but show up to ride in circles with the windows up or sleep.
Why are all of you people screaming to get the medical roll abusers back on the street? Were they "hard chargers" to begin with? Probably not. They are the same dog asses that ride jobs, hide out and don't do shit to back anyone up. Let them abuse the medical, get caught and be dealt with accordingly. (This rant is NOT intended to target those who are legitimately on medical/iod)
A police officers place is on the street. Period. That's what we are trained for. A civilians place is sitting behind a desk anywhere the city has to offer, OEC, callback, etc. That's what they are trained for.
Rumor is McCotter has left IDOC and is returning in a civilian capacity.
Females on maternity leave don't have that time counted against them as "medical" days used. That's six paid weeks off. That's a federal law i believe, but to not have that time off counted as "medical days used" is bullshit.
This is not true-it does count against your medical time..If you take a leave or FMLA leave it does not count and u don't get paid..FMLA just states that they company must hold your job for you
"Everyone keep bitching about the medical, thats what they want. don't question our fucked up promotional exams, our fine states attorney's that just luv us, the discrepancy in handing out punishment blue shirt vs. white, the lack of compitant supervisors as Captain (cowboy Boots) Lemmer has so graciously pointed out, and oh ya that little thing called a pension, how about we focus our energy on this, before it is to late."
That is the best post here yet. For those who don't use the medical even when sick, bless you. Those on the medical for a condition that's requiring you to be off, take your time and get better. The negative parts of these comments don't apply to you. For those who abuse one of the best benefits
offered to us upon being employed by CPD, it will come back on you one way or another.
The City is looking to divide and cheat us at every turn. We know this.
To all the idiots that say "mind your own business" regarding the light duty and medical abusers, up yours! It is by business when MY medical benefits are jeopardized by these slackers! If you can read, note that I said "abusers"! Yes, morons, we all know there are officers that are legitimately injured or ill we are not talking about those officers.
What the he'll is wrong with some of you. Never rat on each other. Some day you might need the medical. This job takes a toll on you body. You have to be new on the job to be making asshat comments.
WOW! You guys are quick to turn on each other. If you know someone on light duty who shouldn't be there confront them to their face. Don't just rant here. You want the Dept. to crack down on medical abusers? Maybe you'll call off one day then have to pick your kid up at school - guess who gets caught. Just do your job and be true to yourself. Stop worrying about the other guy. When you have your first heart attack you'll be sorry you gave up the big medical. You're not doctors, don't judge others illness or injuries. There are enough bosses, media and politicians after us - lets not throw each other under the bus.
Someone made a comment about duty disability. Really? You're jealous of guys on duty disability? Pathetic. You got a couple of facts wrong: there are not that many POs on duty disability - the number is actually very small. If you know someone who got there corruptly then step up, don't be a coward; duty disability POs are NOT paid with money from the pension fund. They are paid by the City - the pension fund merely does the paperwork similar to how our medical insurance is handled; do you think that duty disabled POs should just sit at home? What do you care if they go out and get a job to supplement their income? Before the law was changed to allow them to work there were duty disabled POs on food stamps. I gotta say, you sound like a do-nothing loser.
Get those light duty abusers out of those "sweet spots" they're in, and quit taking care of them! They're no different than welfare recipients that stay on public aid their whole lives. I know of an officer that went from being on the medical for a boob job, to medical for carpul tunnel, to extended medical then maternity leave to extended medical again due to pregnancy, then IOD because of a supposed fall, and now light duty. She has proclaimed she never plans to work the streets again! WTF? Get her of the payroll! Oh and by the way shouldn't a boob job be done on your furlough time?
There are so many officers on duty disability who have been on for over ten years and will milk the system for another 20 years. Time to change who qualifies for 75% and who stays on disability until retirement. Friends of FOP and Pension board members have drained our pensions with their bullshit IOD's. If these guys can work TSA, security jobs, have a business aond work other jobs they can sit at a desk.
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Hope you never get injured and try to get a desk job for awhile - that duty disabled guy you wanted to teach a lesson will have it, forever.
Iod is a scam too...
7/21/2011 05:16:00 PM
Nailed it on the head right there.
I rolled 155 sick hours last year thanks to no issues ...but I've used over half that Roll over since Jan 1 this year thanks to being hit by a car from behind.
Shame thing about it is the PO that responded to the call didn't do anything to the driver of the vehicle.
I can't believe you people are complaining about unlimited medical/disability leave simply because you are envious of those who have to use it. Are you willing to give it all up just to keep others from using it? You better stay healthy.
some jag said...
Your'e saying the Capt. and Sgt. are getting 30 pending, then where is the 2 tiered system doofus?
someone that is not high on crack said... "
If you don't think there is one rule for the clouted white shirts and others for the lowly blue shirts, then you need a psych eval. Case inpoint the cowardly criminal thief of taxpayers money who changed the rules so him and masters could get paid has not been charged and henny penny is still on the job, and Downtown Ernie taking pictures with known felons, I could go on all day idiot.
Hire retired coppers to work the medical integrity unit, they would not owe anyone anything, I'm totally embarrassed as to what we go on the medical for, who goes on the medical and how long folks stay on it. There is no secret that certain people abuse it, but for political correctness the city doesn't have the balls to go after people on the medical because when the true numbers get out, OH MY, certain groups feelings would get hurt. Too bad, clean this crap up, if you are sick or hurt, this is what the generous program is for, not because you could not get off for your cousin pookies birfday bash. Hey, just telling it like it is folks.
no i do not. but think about this. if an officer constantly abuses the medical, is he showing up to back u up when he's working? prob not. he is driving the other way. he will dog it
at work just like he is off. the city should fire them but wont. my point is this: they wont discipline him because the city never does anything right. what the city will do is state that in the name of medical roll abuse we are closing off the existing plan for everybody, and trust me the next plan will not be good for those few who really need it.
So then, you support medical role abuse?
7/21/2011 07:02:00 PM
you can always tell a rahmster hamster by the aroma of their bullshit.
retarded 2 year old 'logic'.
Silly city workers...
I believe we are discussing two different programs. The 12 Sick days would be just for sick days-the flu, a pulled tooth etc... In addition there would be some type of long term insurance to cover things like a broken leg, cancer etc...
7/21/2011 06:34:00 PM
always watch the hands.
By the way, why do these light duty people get to collect the quarterly duty availability check?? They aren't available for anything. Hey look, another $600,000 a year saved!!!
7/21/2011 06:11:00 PM
why did banjo boy and his masters-bating buddy collect unearned 'vacation' pay?
if you think Rahm doesn't have people reading this blog in an attempt to measure our resolve then you aren't very smart.
7/21/2011 05:40:00 PM
they're not just reading the blog, they're posting all the time, whenever they think that they can slip in anything and everything they think will serve to divide what they accurately fear is unity amongst the rank and file.
they are the sneakiest of sneaky bastards, as pathologically devious as any crack head jonesing for a taste and as two faced as a double headed coin.
and they think they're so clever.
good thing is, they emit an odor so powerful, even the strongest, most pungent cigar can't conceal.
The city knows what would happen, they are trying to use this as a contract negotiating tool.
Let them take it a way and see how out of control it becomes.
Not to mention if they get rid of this they will be bringing more money hungry lying lawyers into the mix. The city would open up a huge can of worms and they know it. Workman comp would cost a hell of alot more money then our current system.
It will never actually happen, this is all a ploy by the tiny dancer so he can scare the FOP into bending over.
If it does happen we all know the tiny dancer is just business as usual. If he opens the gates and lets the scum of the earth lawyers into the work comp of the police department it will be obvious he is not serious about saving the tax payers money. All he wants to do is spread the wealth to the connected people only. Business as usual in chicago. The rich connected people get richer and the non connected people get screwed. We have seen Daley do it for over 20 years.
Can they not look up the number of attendance ribbons awarded and compare that to the medical roll? I should think that a comparison of the two numbers will either support or disprove a theory of abuse.
....So just don't make the medical abusers the issue there are light duty officers who are liars and abusing the system if anyone has stories let hear them .
sounds like a plan.
then, once the list is posted, we can make honest men and women out of them, by knee capping them all.
would that resolve this issue?
RedWine/BlackPowder said...
Hey 08:42....if you are on extended medical (heart attack, surgery, whatever) they do stop your duty availability pay.
7/21/2011 05:14:00 PM
Not true. I was off for reconstructive knee surgery and was on the medical for about 5 months. Received every check. Keep the medical as it is but crack down on abusers. They know whom they are. This is not a benefit you want to give up. We all get old one day and trust me, odds are you will do an extended medical run at least once in your career.
Please be safe out there!
I can't say I have never used the medical. But I can say that I have gone 5 or six years at a time with out using a medical day. When I have used the medical it was for surgeries. Not to mention the surgeries I did have probably was caused from a work related incident. But I can tell you if they change the system, I will be sure to use all 12 of my days each and every year. I am pretty sure that each and every officer on this job feels the same way. So instead investigating the few abusers they will punish the entire department. That is the way this city has always operated and you see the dire straits the city is in today.
Just an example: 9000 police officers times 12 days a year = 108,000 sick days a year for the department to handle. Lets say we have 100 medical abusers now and these 100 medical abusers are using 364 days a year, that only comes out to 36,400 sick days. Not to mention does not cause the man power trouble the 12 days a year will cause.
Lets be generous and say we have 300 medical abusers and they take 364 days a year of sick time. This will be 109,200 sick days. The 300 medical abusers are much easier to handle then it would be to force every officer to be given only 12 days a year because the man power problem will not be fixed by putting 300 medical abuser back onto the street. Everyone knows that the medical abusers do not want to be the police any way so what type of productivity do you think the department will get from forcing these dogs to go back to the street. We all know the answer is zero. So do not fix something that is not broken. The city should be careful for what they ask for. These pos politicians have already ruined this police department, lets not let a carpet bagger come in an destroy it even more.
"Most people are pretty legit. When someone is tagged for a Medical Roll procedure violation, it is usually a rare user who didn't cross his "T's" and dot his "I's". The experienced MR abuser doesn't get caught because he knows the G.O. backwards and forwards."
You just summed up the whole job.
This a very nice theory, but unworkable and will never happen. Private industry has been using sick days for some time now and know how to control the abusers. You , for the most part, cannot use sick days as just another day off.I retired from the job and went into private industry. The attitude of way too many Chicago police officers would never work either in the outside world or in other police departments. In the real world, people do what theier boss tells them to do or they risk losing their job. The same goes for suburban police departments. I think a reality check is in order.
Worked in the private industry for 14 years prior to getting on the cpd. Got 12 sick days a year. Guess what, I took 12 sick days every year. All the other workers in my department also took 12 sick days per year. Also, guess what , never did I hear of or know any one who was fired for using their sick days. Sure I know people who had been fired but it wasn't for using their sick days. So the private industry doesn't consider some one using 12 sick days a year an abuser. The private industry can fire a person if they constantly use more then 12 a year. So as long as every cop uses 12 a year there is nothing the department can do about it.
civilians replaced sworn officers at OEMC as dispatchers and in loop traffic as traffic control aides.
civilians could replace lock up keepers , review officers and as many have pointed out officers that do nothing but sleep and write reports . Hire men and women that want to do police work , not the ones that are here for great pay and benefits and do no police work . There should not be one police officer doing administrative work for a full tour , like news affairs , review, citation clerk , caps office etc
The old timers know we already had those benefits reduced, now it's 364 days every two years.
Not really.
I retired with over 25 years and that's the way it was from my day one.
What changed is the the City got a whole lot better at tracking it and counting the days. In the early days there was some slipping and sliding. Last few years with everything becoming more automated, it was now being caught.
The MR is there to be used, IF NEEDED. Just because you are healthy now and don't need the MR, count yourself lucky. Tomorrow you could be on the outside of the fence looking in. Don't abuse it.
I was out three months for holder surgery. I am thankful we had the current medical benefit we have. That was first time on medical and haven't hit it again thank god. It's good to know we have it if needed.
Anonymous said...
Concentrate on the abusers !!!!!!! Same people all the time. Some with years on the medical. Not fit for duty, goodbye !!!
7/21/2011 08:37:00 AM
They also need to go after the light duty abusers. Some of them are inside for years for bs. And the doctors that certify these medical abusers should be prosecuted for fraud.
Anonymous said...
All you guys bitch and moan about medical abusers. You should worry about yourself before throwing other people under the bus. In 18yrs on the the job I've never been on the medical but it's not my business why someone else uses it. One day I might need it also and you guys want the people fired. Remember we are all supposed to be the cops and have each others back because the city and public won't.
Tuffy
7/21/2011 04:15:00 PM
You totally missed the point. People are screaming about those who aren't really ill and go on the medical. Most of us don't care if it's used legitimately. Eighteen years on the job? You need to bone up on your reading comprehension skills.
Sounds like the original poster is part of the bigger problem...
The original post is so true. I spent 3 months on IOD last year after my physician told me I was going to be out for 6 months at the least. My physical therapist gave me every opportunity to stay out of work for that full 6 months. I had to fight like hell and do everything within my power to get back on the street. The injury still hurts sometimes, not enough to keep me off the street but it will probably never be right again. Ever.
All that being said. If you limited me to 24 medical days a year I would make sure I used every single one of them. I would never again miss a family event or social gathering. And I would never have to burn time for anything. I would just call in, no cough, no whiny voice, i would just tell the desk that i am burning a sick day and if they have a problem they can pound sand.
City better think of a better plan. The best option would be to do something with the current system and not mess with a system that is allowing the district level command staff to keep a somewhat dependable work force.
How about 6 months off for “stress related diarrhea”? That’s right “The Shits”! and you get 6 months off.
One would think that if you had the shits for 6 months, that one would possibly loose a little weight. Nope, not this officer, this officer came back fatter than before.
I’m sick of the same people abusing the system, and fucking it up for the rest of us. That goddammned medical abuse unit better do something.
don't be surprised if Rahm throws the "12 sick day" thing on the table during next round of negotiations, then....offer to pull it, in exchange for little or no raise, maybe even a giveback of some p-days or bfd days....the next round of contract talks may last past his first term....
Rahm won't get this from an arbitrator. You don't have a clue about negotiations. Rahm would have no leverage. But keep posting the comic relief is great.
The "medical problem" is such a smaller part of the problem. How about a guy that goes 20 years doing nothing but show up to work and talk on the phone or text, oblivious to everything around him/her checking off with nothing but Zeros each and every night. Fire the medical abusers AND fire the "veterans" with a history of Zero . Time on the job means nothing if you've done nothing but show up to ride in circles with the windows up or sleep.
Hey clown you gave away your short timer hand very quickly in your rant. Cell phones were not around 20 years ago DH. Actually most people didn't even have cell phones 10 years ago. Get some time on the street before your know it all ass begins complaining about a copper with 20 years on the street.b That is what is wrong with this department to many young bucks who think they know every thing.
Sure, I agree a few old timers have really hurt this department. But actually it was the short timers who put this department in the condition it is in today.
Thiel and Camitto had less then 10 years on the job when they did the stupid shit they did. Herrera had less then 10 years on the job when he went crying like a baby and sang like a canary about how bad the more veteran coppers were, and how they made him do it. Abbatte had less then 15 years on when he went on his wild drunken baby rant because he couldnt get another drink. The list goes on and on. So get some time on the job before you begin crying about a veteran with over 20 years on the job.
RedWine/BlackPowder said...
Hey 08:42....if you are on extended medical (heart attack, surgery, whatever) they do stop your duty availability pay.
7/21/2011 05:14:00 PM
I don't see how they can do this since Duty Availability is NOT a bonus that the city gives us people. It was negotiated as part of our contract in lieu of a raise when it began. Taking it away is tantamount to reducing your actual salary. I really wish people would STOP speaking of it as if it were some sort of bonus. If you get the Mayor to thinking that, then it will become a reduction in your pay if they eliminate it. Learn a little history of this dept's negotiation on our contracts or call FOP.
the medical is overly abused. they should keep it the way it is, but cut the persons pay by ten percent while they are on the medical.
Off Topic but the other day in 015 some dog ass braud recently shipped over allowed a "fine citizen" to use her personal cellphone to call IPRA and make a complaint after the desk said they would not call for her. WTF a cop(use that term loosely) pulls out her own phone and dials IPRA for this POS, the city needs to up their standards
In the past 7 years out of 20 I have been on the medical for one day and thats because the good old sergeant wouldnt carry me excused sick sick for that day(Thanks again Sgt. G). I old school and the mind frame never give up a benefit fought and won by our previous union members. But if they ever do go to that 24 or 12 days sick days, bet your ass Im going to use them and not lose them!
We're not private sector dumb ass! They can go to work with a broken leg. We can't. They can go to work with the flu. We can't.
7/21/2011 04:19:00 PM
Why can't we go to work with the flu? Is this a new general order that passed while I've been on furlo?
I am over 20 yrs on. In the 20 yrs I have spent a large portion rolling around, bent over, or wrestling with wild 2 legged animals. My body although not 50, has started to break down on me. It happens, and when it hurts beyond belief, I use those days provided me to attempt to heal. Not to mention the hideous diseases and germs we are exposed to. I would like to see a TV news crew swab out a squad car, like they do to hotel rooms and see what unscene crap we inhale all day.
Hey 08:42....if you are on extended medical (heart attack, surgery, whatever) they do stop your duty availability pay.
7/21/2011 05:14:00 PM
Oh really. Since when? I was off for several months after surgery and still got a duty availability check. Do I need to return it? lol
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However way you look at it, the medical is long overdue for a complete overhaul of serious proportions. Far too many people have milked it, made a career of milking it. And from what's been written in the NYC newspapers, some members of the NYPD have taken milking the medical to a whole new level, managing to even obtain social security benefits on top of their disability pensions, even keeping their pistol permits so they can manage security jobs WHILE soaking up a pension and SS. Un-fucking-believable.
How is this different than any other district? 007 is the only place with people being shot and there being a backlog?
How much longer can Carothers last?
7/20/2011 08:22:00 AM
I would say today's' Comstat meeting should just about do it. People being shot, jobs waiting, no backup but we can put a whole bunch of people and a Sergeant on the buses with Saturday/Sunday off. Thanks for the help.
Nothing will change in 007, regardless of who wears the title of 'Commander' there. Far too many socio-economic factor going on over there that the police cannot and will not ever control, like parents who won't raise their kids, kids that have no respect for education, young adults with no job skills. And as long as that cycle of neglect from the cradle to the grave exists, nothing there will ever change.
To the poster who said fuck tuffy. why dont you let me now where you work and you can tell me face to face hard guy.
tuffy
Someone mentioned pregnancies and federal. The FMLA Family Medical Leave Act states that workers can take time off for up to 16 weeks---unpaid--- and not be terminated or discriminated against because of illness or medical condition for themselves or immediate family. Unpaid. If the city goes to a 12/24 day policy but pregnancy time doesn't count. Then they better damn well give me the same amount of time for me and my civilian wife too.
over 15 years here. no medical days used yet. but if i get 12 you better believe i will use 12 . and i will buy supplemental issurance to cover any bigger oopsies. not to mention i think the city would have to pay into workers comp..
8:09 pm... Why is it bullshit that females on maternity leave do not have their leave count toward their medical use?
Are you keeping score??
Oh, wait. You probably haven't found an employed female to mate with you.
The "medical problem" is such a smaller part of the problem. How about a guy that goes 20 years doing nothing but show up to work and talk on the phone or text, oblivious to everything around him/her checking off with nothing but Zeros each and every night. Fire the medical abusers AND fire the "veterans" with a history of Zero . Time on the job means nothing if you've done nothing but show up to ride in circles with the windows up or sleep.
Hey Chump...You show how young and stupid you really are. You don't think taking away the medical is a problem and you want to fire "veterans" for talking on the phone and texting.
Well you show your age and short time on the job because, we didn't have "texting or cell phones" 20 years ago. We were policing, probably when you were in diapers. And thats kick ass policing. Now you want to do a report on Aira or automated arrest for bullshit and think you are the real police. GFY!
Anonymous said...
The "medical problem" is such a smaller part of the problem. How about a guy that goes 20 years doing nothing but show up to work and talk on the phone or text, oblivious to everything around him/her checking off with nothing but Zeros each and every night. Fire the medical abusers AND fire the "veterans" with a history of Zero . Time on the job means nothing if you've done nothing but show up to ride in circles with the windows up or sleep.
7/21/2011 08:23:00 PM
I love all the critics with 15 minutes on the job passing judgement. If you feel so strongly simply volunteer to only take 12 days medical a year, max, and point out to the medical section who needs to be fired. Instead of accusing anonymously on a blog, make your accusations on paper, signed, and testify and bear witness.
"Anonymous said...
when they cut you down to twelve days a year and you got a broken leg; your out six months
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This kind of thing should be handled by disability insurance.
7/21/2011 05:08:00 PM"
Hey, are you a troll or Gilbert Gottfried still pushing Aflac or something.
The Medical Roll IS our part of our hard fought for and won compensation package. The average street cop gives up a lot to work this job and pays for it in bumps, bruises, hazardous exposures, stress related illnesses, joint disorders and other thing that just do not heal as you get older. If you were a cop you would know and understand this.
The Medical Roll IS in a way our disability insurance. Everyone pays into it, some people use it, some people do not and a very few try to defraud it.
Maybe Rahm is having people read this blog for intel; maybe planting posts as well. So go after abusers and leave what we EARNED alone.
One sick day a month. Note from Dr. Required if used on a Holiday. Only 1 year, (12 days can be kept, must be used by end of year, and Manpower must be adequate to use accumulated days as a baby furlo. DC's will review and advise Med. Section in abuse of sick days is suspected. Run ou of Medical Days, time due, BF's, PD's, V-days must be used. Just a rumor milling around.
7/21/2011 11:10:00 AM
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Note from doc? LOL- so if Friday is holiday and I hit Med, I wouldn't be allowed back till I see my Doc- who won't be in till mon and prolly won't see me till wed? BRILLIANT! you are boss material lol
The hateful comments and posts are truly awful. First of all, when it comes to contractual benefits, NEVER give anything back; fight like hell to keep everything you have. Second, this precious job of ours exposes many of us on a daily basis to horrific smells, vermin, bacteria,(and that's just the locker rooms and the cars)not to mention blood, diseases, burning plastics and refuse...this exposure can and will sicken most people at some point. It's not possible to make an IOD report for every tiny bit of possible harm that comes to us, but this repeated exposure over the years, along with stress, and working in extreme weather, will take its toll in the form of any number of diseases. Not to mention just falling or hurting yourself making an arrest, or a car accident. Why would you want to take away such an important safety net for yourselves?
Third, there are some other rocket scientists making comments such as,
"while you're at it, let's go after this" and other similar remarks.
We are not short cars on the street because of light duty, or disabled, or medical roll abusers. Fucking Daley depleted the department and Rham is continuing the BS. Despite an extremely hostile work environment, we are also burdened with idiot bosses and useless clout heavy policemen and women from Supt. on down. But this is Chicago, and most of us knew this or expected this going in.
Stop the crybaby, Boy Scout bullshit. Work while you are sick or don't, stay safe, and look out for one another. But stop giving away our benefits.
"Females on maternity leave don't have that time counted against them as "medical" days used. That's six paid weeks off. That's a federal law i believe, but to not have that time off counted as "medical days used" is bullshit."
You are an idiot.... The CPD does not have 'maternity leave' they have medical... the six weeks are counted as medical time used and you need a DR note to get it. Federal law allows for up to 12 weeks unpaid. So STFU .
Females on maternity leave don't have that time counted against them as "medical" days used. That's six paid weeks off. That's a federal law i believe, but to not have that time off counted as "medical days used" is bullshit.
7/21/2011 08:09:00 PM
Shut the fuck up, asshat. If you ever have kids, you'll realize that it's necessary for a mother to be there. A shithead like you breeding and passing on that dumb gene wouldn't be a good thing for the rest of us.
Has everyone forgotten? If the CPD takes away what you now have,They would have to carry "workmens comp" I am not sure how much that is now. I do know back in the 90's it was about 14% of your earned wages,per man/woman.
If you get what they have always called "IOD" it would mean you get paid while you sit home,Plus it would be 'nontaxable" money to you. Oh and lets not forget the Atty's They will get you a nice settlement..So in the long run I just bet the city will leave the medical alone. At least for another 20 years or so.
I only have one question; why is FOP endearing themselves to these dog asses? Help the department shit can the medical abusers and protect it for the hard working PO? I hit the medical for an appendectomy and some thing just as serious my whole career otherwise I work giving the department my honest days work my whole career.
Iod is a scam too...
Anyone in a district could probably name 2 or 3 "serial IOD" or "seasonal IOD" members...The Medical Section practices piss-poor oversight of ALL MR uses--if run correctly they would meet the same documentation requirements as an insurance company or private entity; as is- its a joke- it should be professionally staffed and given a higher priority- MR mis-users are money out the door
DH in 016 has 80% of her career on the medical. For the Bulls riots, she slams her own hand in a car door to avoid going to the riots. She's the perfect example of medical abuse.
I do agree the medical abusers should be investigated and prosecuted if they are abusing it period ! .
Be careful what you wish for. I've been on this job for over 20 years and have seen many of my fellow officers use the medical like baby furlo days. I have also seen those with clout get choice spots, do jack shit and still come up smelling like a rose while the workers get constantly screamed at to produce more.
Is that fair?
As far as the medical goes, the city will do whatever they see fit and by that I mean whatever benefits them.
And remember, the city (or the department) never follows the logical path. What looks like a bad situation with all these medical abusers could pale in comparison to what some of these brainiacs down at 35th or City Hall could come up with.
what happened to the medical integrity unit??? oh yea... they were all sent back to the districts. i guess the city and the department didn't want it publicized that one race AND sex are the #1 medical abusers
An observation from 001, received a prisoner from 023 yesterday and the two PO's were female and not 5 feet tall. One couldnt be more than 100 pounds. That captain in 023 "must be out of his mind" to put two tiny PO's on the wagon. Its only a matter of time.
RedWine/BlackPowder said...
Hey 08:42....if you are on extended medical (heart attack, surgery, whatever) they do stop your duty availability pay.
7/21/2011 05:14:00 PM
I don't see how they can do this since Duty Availability is NOT a bonus that the city gives us people. It was negotiated as part of our contract in lieu of a raise when it began. Taking it away is tantamount to reducing your actual salary. I really wish people would STOP speaking of it as if it were some sort of bonus. If you get the Mayor to thinking that, then it will become a reduction in your pay if they eliminate it. Learn a little history of this dept's negotiation on our contracts or call FOP.
Why call FOP when you can make stuff up on the blog?
I rolled 155 sick hours last year thanks to no issues ...but I've used over half that Roll over since Jan 1 this year thanks to being hit by a car from behind.
Shame thing about it is the PO that responded to the call didn't do anything to the driver of the vehicle.
7/21/2011 09:06:00 PM
What did you want the cop to do, beat the other drivers ass for you. If the officer doesn't witness the accident, then it is left up to the judge or insurance company to decide.
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Anonymous said...
The "medical problem" is such a smaller part of the problem. How about a guy that goes 20 years doing nothing but show up to work and talk on the phone or text, oblivious to everything around him/her checking off with nothing but Zeros each and every night. Fire the medical abusers AND fire the "veterans" with a history of Zero . Time on the job means nothing if you've done nothing but show up to ride in circles with the windows up or sleep.
7/21/2011 08:23:00 PM
Your turn to fight crime hairgel. After 20 years I am not the hard charger. Let the new breed take over. But I am experienced enough to handle my jobs and not cause problems. I back up other cars and avoid the medical. If my "zeros" bother you then you can make up the difference with more arrests. Now GFU
Wow! I was looking forward to all those extra days off!!! Way to screw that one up scc!!!
"Off Topic but the other day in 015 some dog ass braud recently shipped over allowed a "fine citizen" to use her personal cellphone to call IPRA and make a complaint after the desk said they would not call for her. WTF a cop(use that term loosely) pulls out her own phone and dials IPRA for this POS, the city needs to up their standards"
and maybe she found out what the hell was going on before the shit hit the fan and let someone know about,,,wht the fuck am I thinking ? what an asshole. but I think I'll put IPRA on my cell, have it go to an answering machine that's tells the person to fuck of, that would be funny.
I'm in my late forties, hate working out, and hate turning down the foods I love to eat even more. But guess what, when I became the Police I knew I had to at least try to keep my health together. I know it sucks getting older, my body aches just as much as the next persons', but I have a work ethic instilled in me by my parents and a little pride in myself. I would never ever think of abusing the medical. I wouldn't be able to hold my head up if I was abusing the light duty system. So many people on this job lack integrity. If you are offended by my post, take a second and ask yorself why. Change your eating habits and work out for your health.
What about the medical abuses on the Enforcers who comes off the medical on a Friday to play a game Sunday only to hit the medical again Monday after the game. Made me sick has hell when i heard him call in Monday morning. I wish they never answered the phone at the desk! Guys like this will ruin it for us!
Anonymous said...
Has everyone forgotten? If the CPD takes away what you now have,They would have to carry "workmens comp" I am not sure how much that is now. I do know back in the 90's it was about 14% of your earned wages,per man/woman.
If you get what they have always called "IOD" it would mean you get paid while you sit home,Plus it would be 'nontaxable" money to you. Oh and lets not forget the Atty's They will get you a nice settlement..So in the long run I just bet the city will leave the medical alone. At least for another 20 years or so.
7/22/2011 04:04:00 AM
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You actually make a good point, but there is nothing that would prevent the city from continuing IOD in the same or similar form as it isnow. This would not preclude a change to the Medical.
Everybody here is saying that if the Medical becomes 12 or 24 days a year, that they would take all those days each year as additional time off. Don't be too quick with that though, for the following reasons: First it would probably be 12 days, which is pretty much standard instead of 24. Second, if it is cumulative, anyone with any brains would see that as you get older you are more likely to need medical days off, and that it would then be in your best interest to save them until needed. Otherwise you would have to go into a no pay status. As far as maternity is concerned, all the employer is required to do is to treat it as any other illness is treted. That would mean that in the early, child bearing years maternity would probably require that the P.O. go into a non pay status for at least several weeks. Cumulative accrual of sick time wuld also probably mean that at retirement one would be paid for the unused time. That would probably be a matter of negotiation.
For the person that believes that city pays duty disability, guess again. Check the pension annual report, you can find in there what the fund pays for duty disability.
Wow medical abusing has been going on forever and now it's an issue . Let talk about districts abuse. in ** district for example: there squadrol is the station security it's set up camp inside the station and everytime dispatcher needs a wagon it's always coming from the west oops the station . And what does the command staff do nothing ,how bout ** district that has traffic cars that only job is parkers amazing a traffic car which doesn't have to do traffic accidents . In the **district there traffic cars are always on station assignments getting food for desk or hold them down getting supplies or they go down on mission street cleaning the last there 8hour tour lol. How bout the district which has a burglary car that starts at 5:30 am in morning yes 5:30 am in the morning and there assignment is to do nothing just come to work and go home . Let get serious there more abuse out here than medical abuse !!! Wake up !!!.
Please have someone proof read anything you post. Your grammar is terrible and is an embarrassment to the Department.
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