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- Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Friday dropped another financial bombshell on Chicago’s 25,000 retired city workers and their dependents: their monthly health insurance premiums will be going up by a whopping 40 percent — in spite of a pending lawsuit and a precedent-setting Illinois Supreme Court ruling.
Last year, Emanuel announced plans to save $108.7 million a year by phasing out the city’s 55 percent subsidy for retiree health care and forcing retirees to make the switch to Obamacare.
For the city, the Year One savings was $25 million. For retirees, that translated into an increase in monthly health insurance premiums in the 20 percent and 30 percent-range.
On Friday, city retirees and their dependents got hit again — only this time, even harder. The city notified them of a 30-percent to 40-percent increase that will cost most of the retirees between another $300 to $400 a month.
At this rate, no one will ever be able to afford to retire - except politicians....you know. like Rahm.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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And out come the knives.
Of course!!
Imagine what's coming AFTER the election.
Same shit with Obama. He's decided to wait to grant amnesty to all the illegal immigrants here until after elections -- because people have short memories.
The social contract is broken and I'm afraid we ain't see nothing yet.
Some $7,500.00 per year for health insurance from a retiree and spouse, both on medicare and city health care for over 25 years of service. That's a lot of money out of a pensioner's yearly salary. Idea: Millionaire politicians should recuse or be excused from city, state or county pensions.
108 million. He pays more than that out to law suites with criminals who sue the city.
And everyone stands for this. Vote all 50 Aldermen out and the Mayor.
Contracts with this city arn't worth shit. They going to fuck over whoever they want when they want. Get what you can, CYA, and head for the hills.
I always have to smirk when I see all of the "Union Home" signs sitting on the lawns of homes here on the Southwest side. The unions that support these Democrat politicians are the same ones destroying our health care. They are also the same Democrats who have almost destroyed our pensions. Don't forget these politicians in November. Give them their pink slips.
Another of the many blessings of Obamacare. Our president just keeps on giving and giving.
You wait. Wait until the divide and conquer bullshit comes down.
Wait as they sell it as: these benefit/wage changes are only for the new guys. Nothing is gonna change for the old guy. Um-hm, yeah.
Then if y'all buy that and believe them after the history of all the other lies. You can watch your dreams of working until age "x" to retire go **POOF** up in smoke.
Because once there is two classes of benefits the new guy and the old guy with the alleged better deal, the cuts will come.
Thought that you were gonna work to age "X" and retire OH-NO.
Here's your buyout or your new shit job to make you quite. Why? because they now have a financial incentive to dump the old guys with the so-called better deal.
It's an illusion my friends and it's been pulled many times all across corporate America over the last few decade's
It's an illusion like the cost of living increases tied to BLS ADJUSTED FORMULAS that are suppose to represent the cost of living but don't even come close.
If contract voted down do we start over on terms in arbitration?
Cause I think we getting fucked.
Ask for 3% per year for 5 years and give up the first year retro and don't give up anything. And for gods sake keep car buying out of the talks. Not our problem.
If the city giving and agreeing to stuff, I'm suspect.
Why the City of Chicago is even involved in our medical benefits? We have 12,000 active members, 5,000 retires and how many dependents? Why can’t the FOP handle our medical benefits? The plus side would be the City can no longer use medical benefits as a contract negation point tied to any other parts of the contract, also we could no longer use the City of Chicago Benefits Management Division and deal directly with a real company and or a health insurance broker. Why do I have to call the City if I have problem with Blue Cross and not call Blue Cross directly? I would pay more for insurance if retires had free health care, because we are all going to be there someday. It’s a benefit for members that should be controlled by members not the City.
The outrageous teacher's pensions are bankrupting everyone, not just the police:
"more than 100,000 retired Illinois educators had been paid back what they invested into the system just 20 months after leaving work, a financial burden linked to union collective bargaining, which can cost taxpayers $2 million or more per teacher over the course of retirement."
Looking forward to federal bankruptcy court where the state constitution means nothing (as shown in the Detroit bankruptcy).
Rahm may be an a-hole, but I don't think he should be blamed for 50 years of Democrat corruption in Chicago and Illinois. Payoffs were may to the unions with taxpayer dollars in order to get the Democrats elected. Time to pay the piper.
Government "workers" should be on social security and private savings like working America. If people don't like it, they are free to look for work elsewhere.
Now I know why the few old timers that are left , are telling me to vote NO on the contract .
Cute...
We like that no dissenting opinions are now available in either online version of the scum-times or the fibune...
No dissent, no voices of protest, no differing opinions.
Just how Rahm wants it so he can run the table on muni employees and their families without provoking public outrage.
What were the words of the German Catholic priest who talked about all the people rolled up by the Nazis? Then when the Naziz came for him, there was no one left to witness and cry out about what was being done to him...
Happening here kids...
Still think our contract is a good one... vote no! This mayor hates fire and police with a passion. I'll take my chances with the arbitrator...
evil
retired 8 years Because Im born in 1955 I get no cola til 2015 and then its 1.5% not 3%. Im single and my insurance is 11% of the gross amount of my pension. $489/mo Now this ass hole is going to to raise it another $195.
In time all city workers current and retired will be on Obamacare. And all of us will have to get in line behind the illegal aliens who will get first crack at any medical care. We ain't seen nothing yet.
All you nincompoops that can't see past the retro check in this pissant of a contract proposal had better figure it out before your ballot arrives.
THIS is exactly what the old timers mean when they warn about "opening the door" with various concessions. If this is happening to guys that gave decades of their lives to the city, what do think awaits all of us?
"Effective for retirements after June 1, 2017, officers retiring after age 55 and before age 60 must contribute 2% of their annuity." Guess what? When some of you are ready to pull that pin, it'll probably be close to 10%.
They're proposing a 25% tuition reimbursement haircut for graduate studies. Next it'll be 50% and include both graduate and undergraduate courses.
They want to keep Duty Availability Pay from the new hires until they hit Step 5? Are you fucking kidding me? They're doing the same job as (just about) every other officer, yet FOP wants to allow them to - in essence - be treated and compensated differently? Talk about creating division amongst the troops!
And what's with still quantifying furloughs by DAYS? Kinda misleading since we now get furlo HOURS. I DON'T get 25 furlo "days"....I now actually get 200 HOURS of furlo which equals 23.5 days. A "day" should be a day, whether P-Day, V-Day, BFD, etc. Proposing getting your furlo steps (more "days") a year earlier is smoke & mirrors to distract you from the fact that you're still not getting that many "days" of vacation each year. And you'll STILL be dropping an additional slip for 1/2 hour for that BFD...that's if you can even get the day off.
You DON'T give up things without getting something really, really good in return. Instead, the clowns at FOP are trading & bartering based upon the City's "intentions" of buying new squad cars and the promise that elective time off won't be "unreasonably" denied. WTF kind of negotiating tactic is THAT? I'd like to know what wasn't tabled or what we lost during talks with the City in exchange for them "intending" to supply us with the most basic and mandatory item necessary to do the job of police officer. What's next? FOP'll bargain for narcotics and inventory bags? Toner cartridges and copy paper? Absolutely ludicrous.
AND THE WORST PROPOSAL BY FAR?...
FOP wants to be able to "renegotiate" with the City for additional wages, duty availability pay, etc. should (actually, WHEN...it's just a matter of time) State law is amended requiring us put additional money towards our Annuity & Benefit Fund (PENSION). The way I interpret that is that such language would preclude us from suing to make sure our pension promises are fully honored. Gee, we'd be able to ask the City to be nice about it and give us more money to offset the increase. The City would have 90 days to reach an agreement with the FOP or have it go to interest arbitration. Yeah, ok. You see where this is going? AND THE FOP WANTS TO AGREE TO THIS?! Whose side are they really on?
While I like a few of the things I see proposed (stopping the clock for IODs/recurrence, witness POs get same rights as accused POs) the majority of what they're trying to sell us sucks the fat one. The more I read the proposals, the more I see how lopsided it really is.
I vote NO.
Attention anybody with less then 10yrs in this rats nest they call a police dept. Start looking else where for employment. Alot of these suburbs in the area blow away this shithole in benefits and pay. Leave while you can, you have been warned....
Guess I'll vote NO.
29 and a day said...
retired 8 years Because Im born in 1955 I get no cola til 2015 and then its 1.5% not 3%. Im single and my insurance is 11% of the gross amount of my pension. $489/mo Now this ass hole is going to to raise it another $195.
9/14/2014 02:44:00 AM
Tsk, tsk. I'm 58 and came on late, a victim of affirmative action. I'll miss "29 and a day" by about four months and would work until I drop if given an opportunity to do so, as my parents did. But I married rich and can switch to the wife's health coverage!
Dick Durban and his lobbyist wife are both collecting 25,000 each for Social Security while still getting his senate paycheck and her 130,000 lobbyist pay.
How much are you getting retired?
Given the timing, the City's action is in essence using retirees to help pay for the new contract.
Without explicitly linking the two, retiree benefits are set to go down while active benefits will go up.
He wants everyone pushed into Obama care. ....
Karen Lewis would not even bring this bullshit contract back to her representatives for a vote.
This contract is all for the City's benefit. VOTE NO.
It looks like Disability Dean, is throwing the retirees under the same bus as the new guys.
Even so, I am still voting for Rahm and Quinn because those Republicans are going to "really" destroy my pension and benefits
bankruptcy is in our future, prepare now we will be the next detroit!
The City of Chicago and Rahm have demonstrated once again that they do not give two shits about you or your family. Now it's time for you and your family to step up at the polls and remove him.
One retirement benefit from the city should be a lifetime supply of soap-on-a-rope. Mao Rahm is doing everything in his power to force all of us into obamacare. Ut's retirees for now and active members later.
How about all the F.O.P. Members nationwide make a single group insurance plan for the members and their dependents? It could work like AARP. Or other big unions that have theirs. Instead of being controlled by the city and their patronage filled benefits and insurance management. With us paying for our own insurance it would lead to bigger wage increases. And savings for our premiums!
I know! I can dream can't I?
Maybe just our state or county F.O.P.?
divide and conquer.
Agreement over new cars but no agreement about healthcare or the pension. Makes sense to me.
More than once I heard that the city will not be in the insurance business by 2016! He will put everyone active and retired, (except elected people), into obama care and have them pay a percentage of their salaries/pensions to pay the cities portions! Doesn't anyone pay attention to their common enemy? These people are just no fucking good!
Vote Republican, for God's sake, and hope and pray for the best. Just think about whats coming next for active City Workers if he gets away with this.
And guess what. He will be elected again.
What abou retired City Teachers? What are they pAying? Were they cut too ?
Do you get it yet? ...... Stand Down!!!!
In this case, tough.
Unions supported Odumbo and ObamaCrapCare. They shoved it down our throats, now they can eat it too.
You don't want this? Stop supporting DemocRATs....
Dicky Durbin
Madigan and Daddy's Girl
Patsy Quinn
Tiny Dancer
President Mom Jeans
When you support @ssholes, don't be surprised when you get $hit on.
Maybe somebody else can explain what my monthly premium will be. I received the package a day or two ago and it has charts of premiums but it doesn't address my situation. I retired after 1989 and before 2005. We are both on Medicare and have the supplement from the city. Right now it is $282 per month for both. The package states that benefits remain the same, but nowhere does it list the cost. The envelope shows that I am in Group E-02. I even checked the website and going to Group E-02 again only states no change in benefits. Anyone know?
I agree with a previous poster, time for our unions to get involved in providing some type of health care. For those non police posters on her saying all Government workers should be on social security, well good but I haven't payed into it for 25 years. Tell you what give me all my pension money back, give me free social security like the thousands of mutts out here on SSI, give me a link card, free medical, free cell phone and internet, and you got a deal.
Blah, blah, blah, blah. Your vote, or lack of, will keep these FUCKS in office and you coppers will keep bending over and taking in the ass from YOUR city. Dumb.
40% ? Mine went up 64%. Which totally eats up the 3% COLA we receive, which, contrary to the politicians and medias lies, is NOT COMPOUNDED!!!
Pissant???
Will this effect VRI?
Are the 50 alderthieves taking a 40% increase in their health premiums?
Of course not, but every one of those democrats will f**k you in a second so they can keep feeding at the public trough.
Why should those under 60 get any kind of health deal? They are still of working age. In the regular (real) work world you'll never get these.
Did you vote for Obama? Twice?!
Unhappy about that vote about now, huh?
Anyone who votes yes to the contract is a moron. Vote yes = sell out to those who served the city.
AND THE WORST PROPOSAL BY FAR?...
FOP wants to be able to "renegotiate" with the City for additional wages, duty availability pay, etc. should (actually, WHEN...it's just a matter of time) State law is amended requiring us put additional money towards our Annuity & Benefit Fund (PENSION). The way I interpret that is that such language would preclude us from suing to make sure our pension promises are fully honored. Gee, we'd be able to ask the City to be nice about it and give us more money to offset the increase. The City would have 90 days to reach an agreement with the FOP or have it go to interest arbitration. Yeah, ok. You see where this is going? AND THE FOP WANTS TO AGREE TO THIS?! Whose side are they really on?
Keep voting for Rahm, Quinn and Madigan. Everyone is saying "Oh, Rauner is going to go after our pensions." The reason our pensions are so bad is because of these guys. They screwed it up and now they are blaming us. Wait till after the election, then they are coming after police and fire. Better vote for Lewis or Fiorretti and Rauner, or don't complain.
Rahm's pulling the trigger, but daley loaded and cocked the gun. That prick daley should be rotting in a cell.
If health insurance is going up, then what does free health insurance mean in our pending contract for the 55-59 yoa retirees? Are these increases for the non-police and fire city unions only?
Rahm may be an a-hole, but I don't think he should be blamed for 50 years of Democrat corruption in Chicago and Illinois. Payoffs were may to the unions with taxpayer dollars in order to get the Democrats elected. Time to pay the piper.
9/14/2014 01:07:00 AM
Rahm, and people like him are part of this process. You d o get that don't you? The man walked into this position on a whim and the current BOSS, Daley was told to exit stage left.
These Progressive Democrats, this criminal enterprise, has been running this berg since the 50's and they should be in jail. Unless you are into the inner circle, you have no idea how much they steal every day. Ghost pay rollers, skimming contracts and outright theft is so common place they are open and notorious about it. Why not. The voters keep their masters in place.
The Attorney Generals and Inspector what evers don't do the job they are paid to do. Why are we the people so powerless? Vote every sitting thief out of office, all of them. Our elected officials need to be purged.
Rahm is out of his mind, or is he. He has no love for the police. Never did, never will. Di you hear about the message he sent to streets and sans. Do not fix any of the pot holes in any of the police lot, DO NOT under any circumstances. Wow, that's how you feel dude. Make us wait over 2 yrs for a contract. Now you're going to screw with the retirees that are living on fixed incomes.
Anonymous said...
I always have to smirk when I see all of the "Union Home" signs sitting on the lawns of homes here on the Southwest side. The unions that support these Democrat politicians are the same ones destroying our health care. They are also the same Democrats who have almost destroyed our pensions. Don't forget these politicians in November. Give them their pink slips.
9/14/2014 12:37:00 AM
I agree with you, but unfortunately the polls indicate a big democratic win in Illinois, again.
Government "workers" should be on social security and private savings like working America. If people don't like it, they are free to look for work elsewhere.
9/14/2014 01:09:00 AM
Get off this site you libertarian troll.
Anonymous said...
Government "workers" should be on social security and private savings like working America. If people don't like it, they are free to look for work elsewhere.
9/14/2014 01:09:00 AM
I don't have a problem with that, But when you take a job you have to abide by the rules and regulations. I wish I could have saved my own money. But when you have families that have been on welfare their whole life and then come off it to take a city job and they still cant save money.
Plus the city loves the pension fund so they can STEAL from it and then not fund it.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1027696.html
Why the City of Chicago is even involved in our medical benefits? We have 12,000 active members, 5,000 retires and how many dependents? Why can’t the FOP handle our medical benefits? The plus side would be the City can no longer use medical benefits as a contract negation point tied to any other parts of the contract, also we could no longer use the City of Chicago Benefits Management Division and deal directly with a real company and or a health insurance broker. Why do I have to call the City if I have problem with Blue Cross and not call Blue Cross directly? I would pay more for insurance if retires had free health care, because we are all going to be there someday. It’s a benefit for members that should be controlled by members not the City.
I'm glad you brought this up. I have been working on an alternative insurance plan for our retirees anticipating something like this would happen. Hope to have something soon. Stay tuned.
Kevin Kilmer
Financial Secrerary
Fraternal Order of Police.
What a piece of shit. Not that I'd vote for him anyways. When are we going to learn to stand as one. New, recruit,active retired. When I hear the tough guys say, fuck the dinosaurs... I wanna bitch slap them snot nosed lil educated assholes. Blue if blue!
Anonymous said...
Government "workers" should be on social security and private savings like working America. If people don't like it, they are free to look for work elsewhere.
9/14/2014 01:09:00 AM
Social Security should be terminated for the private sector. OOOPS did I just say that. I know you paid into it for all these years and it is not sustainable. Kind of sucks...right. Oh well too bad so sad. If you don't like it find another country to work in.
Don't like the rules changed while still playing the game, neither do I. You paid into social security with certain promises, so did I except I don't get a social security benefit. I paid into my pension with certain expectations. Don't change the rules when I am ready to retire...blow me!
Keep voting Democrat and this is what you get.We can expect this and worse from the Republicans!
I vote independent. Imagine if more people broke with tradition and started to vote for independents, more independents would be in office.
Exciting times!
What will some of the retirees do? Nothing!!!!
Some of you retirees complain, complain, but in the end you will not do anything. Many of you are a generation of takers and do nothings. You lived through a time when unions were strong, you did not attend meetings because you were watching football or some other mindless activity. Or you were too lazy and are a free rider, let someone else do the work and reap the benefits.
The future will difficult for the lazy.
I hope that you morons that voted for Dean Angelo realize that he is enthusiastically helping Rahm Emanuel to destroy our Union. This is biggest dog shit of a Contract I have ever seen in 22 years on this job. Who knows what Rahm has got on Dean Angelo? His bullshit 10 year disability scam?
I retired 5 years ago and have been on Medicare for the past 2 years. My supplemental medical policy which I get from the City is going up almost 59 percent. Any recommendations for a good supplemental plan (+ prescriptions) that's a little more cost effective?
Years ago police paid zero for health insurance , free for retired officers and family . How's that working out for us?
That 2% cost will rise to 10-15% .
A retired copper making $60k a year that retired at age 50 is paying almost 20% of annuity and he didn't have any control over it.
Vote no , new cars is not our worry , if car is unsafe put it out of service .
What about real seniority , all inside jobs , 90% for watch selection , no merit promotions , no more one man cars .
We have officers with 20+ years in a beat car and females with under 10 years in caps or commanders office , not right .boys and girls in blue need a real union . Vote No .
I sent Krislov the guy handling the healthcare lawsuit $300 so far. I will send him another $100. He is trying to get an injunction on this healthcare raise while the previous raise is still tied up in court.
have a cousin who retired from the city ( water dept) saw him last night at a family gathering and he was telling me how he just received a letter from the city to inform him how his insurance for he and his wife will be going up to 1300 beginning Jan 2015. The sad part is that he retired just before 2014 and his insurance was 700 something and less than 1 month after retiring he received a letter informing him that his insurance was going to go from 700 something to 1100 in Jan 2014 and now 1300. wtf? sadly he told me that he had to go back into the work force because how could he possibly live on his pension when 1300 of that is going towards health insurance.. CHICAGO SUCKS!!! can't wait to leave this shithole... oh wait i'll be stuck here until they carry my ass out!!
Democratic, Communist, Rat,Fucks.
They have taken this Great Republic to the brink! They'll break it off in your ass with your contract, and pensions. I see some guys saying they can't touch the pensions they are protected. Bullshit these conniving, rotten fucks make the laws then tell everyone ,"It's in everyone's Best Interest". What they really want to say is Fuck You take and like it and keep your mouth shut!
Anonymous said...
Rahm may be an a-hole, but I don't think he should be blamed for 50 years of Democrat corruption in Chicago and Illinois. Payoffs were may to the unions with taxpayer dollars in order to get the Democrats elected. Time to pay the piper.
As though he was neither a democrat nor a congressman during that time
rahmissatanisrahn
I always have to smirk when I see all of the "Union Home" signs sitting on the lawns of homes here on the Southwest side. The unions that support these Democrat politicians are the same ones destroying our health care. They are also the same Democrats who have almost destroyed our pensions. Don't forget these politicians in November. Give them their pink slips.
"Proud Union Homes"
Same as "Proud Communist Homes"
who says the city owes the retirees everything? people should have woken up in the 80s when companies were cutting pension plans and benefits, if you are stupid enough to think you can retire on the pension plan and benefits you are a fool, you HAVE TO SAVE SOME OF YOUR OWN MONEY!!!
Vote NO on this contract!!!! Or forever hold your peace.
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This was not written by me. It was written on another LEO site but I did find it important to share on this site as well.
For officers getting ready to vote on the new contract, please be aware of the 2-tier provision RE hospitals. Certain hospitals are listed as tier 1 hospitals. Costs for treatment at these hospitals will be paid at 90/10%. Hospitals NOT on the list will be considered tier 2 hospitals. Costs for treatment at these hospitals will be paid at 75/25%. I am told there are NO Advocate hospitals on the tier 1 list. That means Christ, Illinois Masonic, Lutheran General and Trinity (among others) will cost you 25% of the bill instead of 10%. This means that any hospital services incurred while traveling will cost you 25% of the bill instead of 10%. I am not asking anyone to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the contract. I just want everyone to be aware of one of the lesser talked about provisions of the new contract.
This may seem like a radical idea -- Libtard's heads will explode if they read this -- but when there's a money crunch for a gubmint's budget, why don't they cut spending on non-essential office staff first, like those bureaucrats hiding down in the Basement for twenty years.
Or even better, eliminate programs and even whole departments that duplicate services of other programs and/or departments. Just go to the State of IL website for an example. There's so many fucking gubmint agencies shown to 'help you', that the shear volume of them make it so confusing they wind up helping almost no one (expect for the 'professional welfare recipient').
But no, DemoncRATS refuse to do this sensible cost saver. First they look at raising taxes and if they can't do that they go after Police, Fire, and now like Tiny Dancer's doing, go after Retirees. What the f--k is wrong with them?
The Fed Gov is prime example of the spending insanity: ...........
>>> '$2.66 Trillion: Tax Revenues Hit Record Through August...Run $589 Billion Deficit' <<<
F--king assholes!
ps: Happy Birthday Star Spangled Banner, 200 Years Young Today.
[If you want to make a Libtard go apoplectic, sing the 4th Verse :-)]
I think it was a mistake to vote Disability Dean as FOP president. He doesn't have to pay health insurance until mandatory retirement and pays no taxes either. Not to shabby for getting a shit contract!
Well boys and girls as someone that went through O'Brien street in 1967 you may think am part of the living dead. I may be one of the few people that have read the AC Act and this is all part of the over all plan to get all of us in a single payer plan.
Your Doctor..."Forget about em"
The "bullshit is just getting started"
Think about it when you vote.
Some $5,000--$7,000 a year of health care insurance payments for retirees...that's some hefty freight...that would buy lots of chicken and beans for a year. They'll drown in debt before they die.
Really? Lodge 7 finds organizing the picnic challenging.
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Why the City of Chicago is even involved in our medical benefits? We have 12,000 active members, 5,000 retires and how many dependents? Why can’t the FOP handle our medical benefits? The plus side would be the City can no longer use medical benefits as a contract negation point tied to any other parts of the contract, also we could no longer use the City of Chicago Benefits Management Division and deal directly with a real company and or a health insurance broker. Why do I have to call the City if I have problem with Blue Cross and not call Blue Cross directly? I would pay more for insurance if retires had free health care, because we are all going to be there someday. It’s a benefit for members that should be controlled by members not the City.
Government "workers" should be on social security and private savings like working America. If people don't like it, they are free to look for work elsewhere.
9/14/2014 01:09:00 AM
Most idiotic thing I read all day.
Just vote No on the contract. These are the games Rahm plays.
What does the MLAS commander say?
Can I ask what do the elected Pension Board Trustees say and do about this? Time to vote them all out. Election coming up.
VOTE NO ON THE CONTRACT. ALSO GET RID OF THE SAME OLD POLITICIANS THAT GET THEIR RAISES AND PENSIONS. VOTE ALL NEW PEOPLE IN.
The city and union came up with a 11% increase over 5 years. This will be about $25 per pay. As long as I could remember, we seem to always get a $20 - $30 increase after each contract. They aren't doing you any favors. The benefits are always going down. This contract will be up again before the next mayoral election. We will probably have to kiss Rahms ass. People on public aid make more for doing less with medical, food stamps, free phone, scholarships, and free give-outs every time you turn your back. We will soon have thousands of illegals to support with OUR TAX MONEY. Change the politicians and if they don't do better in the next 4 years, vote them out, too.
I am retired and my health insurance went up from $217 to $421 a month. My cost of living increase will go up $126.87, if they don't take it away. That makes a net DECREASE IN MY PENSION by $77.13 per month.
I don't want to have a governor that can't hire someone to cut his grass, but one thats smart in investments. You don't need to be paid $ 15 for flipping burgers. When I was young, I delivered newspapers for about $15 a week. Prices for things we need will go up to offset the $15 hr wages. Our economy is already deep in the hole!!!!!
This and rahm laying off 480 cps janitors
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cps-janitors-layoffs-20140914-story.html
Sorry boys and girls voting yes on contract got to get what we can while we can, and arbitrator will be bought and paid off, what did you think happened in last 2 arbitrations? "We lost big time bro" take the 55 and out if eligible if you have the age you have to be totally insane not to go, because if this contract fails, (won't be counted until oct 16, passed the current oct 01 deadline)'the city may just pull it off the table completely. To the detractors that say "take a chance with the arbitrator we will get the same as firemen and sergeants" yep maybe but what if we don't ?
The ballots were mailed Friday as soon as many of us get it watch how many yes votes are in place!
What's the odds in it passing my bet 75% yes any other predictions?
Coming here to gripe is easy.Put your money where your moths are.Monday morning I'm sending another check to Clint Krislov,the attorney fighting the city on this.
Lewis would throw this contract into the mayors face.
FOP wants to be able to "renegotiate" with the City for additional wages, duty availability pay, etc. should (actually, WHEN...it's just a matter of time) State law is amended requiring us put additional money towards our Annuity & Benefit Fund (PENSION). The way I interpret that is that such language would preclude us from suing to make sure our pension promises are fully honored.
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Another CPS grad bound to be a merit promotion.
The Sgt.'s just went to arbitration how did the do? We went to arbitration before how did we do?
I don't like everything in this contract but if we go to arbitration we lose!
NO raise for the first year.
In the city's punitive wellness program. 4-5 months in that is more than the retro on the overtime.
In the LLC medical plan.
We lost the free health care after 55 thanks to the Sgt.'s and then the firemen. Go to arbitration and we lose the 2.5 year stay.
This is payback for not supporting him in his election run for mayor.
These health care premiums are all going up because soooooooooooo many people get free health care! This is crazy! We would have been better off not working our entire life and living off the government!
No offense but if you didn't see this coming years ago you are a idiot.
Just because Dean says the contract is the best we can get doesn't make it so. For as long as I've known Dean he's had his hands in everything and has used this once great job as part time to carry a gun. Maybe Dean is the only person that can see "eye to eye" with the tiny dancer. Vote this contract down and show them we deserve more RESPECT.
No offense but if you didn't see this coming years ago you are a idiot. I told all those guys retiring they would be in Obama care by 2017, and they all said can't do it we have a contract I never seen so many naive people. Laws and contracts mean nothing in Chcago and Illinois, and now that Chicago is running this country anything can happen. All you guys with a lot of hrs on the books be careful.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Rahm may be an a-hole, but I don't think he should be blamed for 50 years of Democrat corruption in Chicago and Illinois. Payoffs were may to the unions with taxpayer dollars in order to get the Democrats elected. Time to pay the piper.
9/14/2014 01:07:00 AM
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should he pay attention to the Illinois Supreme Court saying medical is a pension benefit? Nod your head yes ... dummie
To all the police haters
Try working weekends. Nights. Holidays , years ago for straight time Days off cancelled , missing loved ones birthdays , weddings etc. you get the picture .
Oh you say , we knew that when we signed up to be police officers , Yrs we did , we also knew that after 30+ years we would receive a good pension , with free health insurance for the rest of our life .
They screwed us and continue to screw us , time for some strict traffic enforcement .
"Some of you retirees complain, complain, but in the end you will not do anything. Many of you are a generation of takers and do nothings. You lived through a time when unions were strong, you did not attend meetings because you were watching football or some other mindless activity. Or you were too lazy and are a free rider, let someone else do the work and reap the benefits."
I can prove I attended more Union meetings during my career than 95% of the current membership. So maybe you should check yourself before you shoot off your Bazoo,D-Bag
Anonymous said...
Can I ask what do the elected Pension Board Trustees say and do about this? Time to vote them all out. Election coming up.
9/14/2014 02:25:00 PM
What they did do was vote to keep the pension paying into the retired officers healthcare. I believe the pension pays 13%, city had been paying 55% and us the rest. Now with Rahm dropping the second raise on us at least the pension is paying the 13%,money we would have had to pay.
Most all CPD retirees will not qualify for any obamoCare® subsidy because annuities are over $40k. The City made knows this - did you? Furthermore, obamoCare® deductibles and out-of-pocket* costs are higher than the current City offer.
A crappy situation for us, probably worse as time goes by. Democrats have to ousted and the Un-Affordable Care Act repealed.
* ("Those most negatively affected by the high cost of Obamacare are Americans** who have incomes in the $34,000 to $40,000 for an individual - 400 percent above the poverty line..."
** (American defined as one who works and pays taxes)
I'm now paying $ 1360 per month for my health insurance, plus an additional $ 83 per month for my dental. This is for two non medicare people. This is insane. Why isn't the FOP trying to help the retirees ? Dean made a lot of promises to get our votes. Now, crickets.
This contract will NOT pass , rank and file are fed up .
Increase in retiree health insurance , no cola increase until 60 , flop gave back $23,000,000 loan to shortshanks,clouted get cushy do nothing office jobs , short hour vice , narcotic assignments .
This contract passes , you might as we'll raise the white flag , it can be negotiated in the media , about citizens safety , one man cars means one thing less police work . Kids are gunned down , sex assaults ,robberies , machetes attacks on our CTA . Stick the cameras and the sweet heart deals with camera installation companies where the sun don't shine.
Vote no , did you ever see a fire truck with 3 men instead of 5 , he'll no . They got some big balls , went on strike , they and cps teachers union will strike , both unions pimp slapped rahmmie .. Fop afraid to take any job action at all , afraid t do their job .
Grow a set and vote no .
"[Retiree] had to go back into the work force because how could he possibly live on his pension when 1300 of that is going towards health insurance.. CHICAGO SUCKS!!!"
9/14/2014 11:21:00 AM
This proves that huge "health management organizations" are the way to go. More and more shiny glass office towers that produce nothing but garbage, carbon dioxide, and numbers.
Placing layer after layer of people sitting at desks and shuffling forms between you and the doctor -- think of millions of baby birds, each with its mouth open waiting to be fed -- was indeed the surest way to "control health care costs," right?
How could anyone ever have believed this?
The other day, I had to tell the teenage checkout girl at the drugstore, "Walgreens is not my doctor and you are not my doctor. You have no place making comments about what I am purchasing."
Wasn't the first time, either. The people stacking cases of dry-roasted peanuts and bug spray, taking out the trash, and retrieving shopping carts from the parking lot all have T-shirts insisting that "We help people get, stay, and live well"
They consider themselves to be "Health Care Providers" now because they give flu shots. Seen their new "Good Faith Dispensing" policy on prescriptions? Everything you do is suspicious, a "red flag," and any nasty thing behind that counter who's having a mood swing can jam you up and stop you from filling your prescription not just there, but at ALL 9,000 WALGREENS.
Keep going to different doctors? Walgreens "Red flag!" Keep going to the same doctor? DEA "Red flag!" You figure that one out.
Here it is -- look at this.
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wthr/PDF/WalgreensGFDdocuments.pdf
Doctors are getting sick of them phoning constantly to second-guess your care, and some have signs in their waiting rooms, "Please do not ask us to send prescriptions to Walgreens."
"At The Corner Of Crazy And Crazier..."
Over 180 million spent on bike lanes. I guess that is more important.
07:32......you are a real fucking asshole! I think that covers it!
If I retire and leave country and become a citizen of Canada and come back as an illegal, do I get free healthcare?
Why the City of Chicago is even involved in our medical benefits? We have 12,000 active members, 5,000 retires and how many dependents? Why can’t the FOP handle our medical benefits? The plus side would be the City can no longer use medical benefits as a contract negation point tied to any other parts of the contract, also we could no longer use the City of Chicago Benefits Management Division and deal directly with a real company and or a health insurance broker. Why do I have to call the City if I have problem with Blue Cross and not call Blue Cross directly? I would pay more for insurance if retires had free health care, because we are all going to be there someday. It’s a benefit for members that should be controlled by members not the City.
9/14/2014 12:58:00 AM
First off I don't want FOP administering anything for me. They are not a union but a bargaining agent. They have a poor track record and have not looked put for the best interest of officers benefits. Ex. Vacation earned days now hours, forgiving pension payments, losing insurance at 55, etc. Second, the City administers the insurance policies and that's fine. It's their company coverage and it's good coverage. You do not have to deal with the benefits office for your claims. Go online to BCBS.
I gave them 37 years and I'm about to turn 65 and don't qualify for Medicare. I called the pension board and was told the insurance would cost $1000 a month for me and my wife!! Now there's a nice thanks for your service.
How about all the F.O.P. Members nationwide make a single group insurance plan for the members and their dependents? It could work like AARP. Or other big unions that have theirs. Instead of being controlled by the city and their patronage filled benefits and insurance management. With us paying for our own insurance it would lead to bigger wage increases. And savings for our premiums!
I know! I can dream can't I?
Maybe just our state or county F.O.P.?
9/14/2014 07:53:00 AM
Don't be naive. It's not just the city. Anywhere there are millions of dollars coming in, there is patronage, graft, and bull crap. Union leaders are not necessarily on the up and up. Look at the graft and blowing away of millions of fop dues in our own union. Do you think they give a crap about you or your experience? New cars. Fancy dinners, three Vice Presidents...come on. Wake up.
To all the police haters
Try working weekends. Nights. Holidays , years ago for straight time Days off cancelled , missing loved ones birthdays , weddings etc. you get the picture .
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Concur young man. You active copper' can wriye a book about getting the shaft everyday at work. Glad to have pulled the pin but still miss the clowns OTJ. You guys take care of your health and try an stay away from the jiller called stress. Not easy guys.
Question, do us retired people vote on the contract ? I feel I have no right to vote for something that has to do with active coppers.
I would vote NO cause you guys deserve much better. But then again, if the send me a ballot I will discard cause I am no longer the police.
Please stay well and safe. The job and the streets has turned to shit.
I don't blame copper' having blinders on at work in the hood. They hate the police anyway. Let them call operation PUSH and that phony priest !
These health care premiums are all going up because soooooooooooo many people get free health care! This is crazy! We would have been better off not working our entire life and living off the government!
9/14/2014 04:55:00 PM
Maybe they wan to stem the draining of the pension fund? Aren't the retired health premiums paid out of the pension fund?
Anonymous said...
Government "workers" should be on social security and private savings like working America. If people don't like it, they are free to look for work elsewhere.
9/14/2014 01:09:00 AM
Sir / Madam (Or moron)
You have paid into a system, which is guaranteed by law. You, now, put in 6.2% into FICA and about 1.5% into Medicare. This wasn't the case for several years, when it was 4.2% and 1.5%, to stimulate the economy. You also don't pay FICA after approximately $106,000 of yearly earnings. Private savings? Is that like 401K? You put money into 401K, and most employers match up to a percentage, usually 5%.
We, as a collective unit, pay approximately 9.1% per paycheck toward our pension obligation, plus Medicare. It has never lowered, to stimulate the economy. We also continue to pay to our pension, no matter what dollar amount we make for our yearly earnings. And a very large percentage of us have more than 40 quarters in Social Security, which we don't get to collect. We have differed comp. Employer match = Wait for it....0%.
So the next time you want to open your yap, DON'T. Become a little educated in an argument before uttering one single word.
Anonymous said...
Can I ask what do the elected Pension Board Trustees say and do about this? Time to vote them all out. Election coming up.
9/14/2014 02:25:00 PM
What they did do was vote to keep the pension paying into the retired officers healthcare. I believe the pension pays 13%, city had been paying 55% and us the rest. Now with Rahm dropping the second raise on us at least the pension is paying the 13%,money we would have had to pay.
9/14/2014 06:16:00 PM
It's our pension money. We are still paying it. Duh.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm now paying $ 1360 per month for my health insurance, plus an additional $ 83 per month for my dental. This is for two non medicare people. This is insane. Why isn't the FOP trying to help the retirees ? Dean made a lot of promises to get our votes. Now, crickets.
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Are you in the Underwood law suit? Did you pony up anything? FOP put in 50k. Did you read Ill State Supreme ruling on health care? Follow the subsequent rulings from the Sangamon County Judge? Read how Federal Judge Holderman ruled against us but painted himself in a corner with the State S.C. ruling?
Rahm is raising stuff now so when the court overrules this if he has to raise property taxes he can tell the public I tried but the courts stopped me.
I just wonder how many of these no vote posts are coming from the losers in the recent election?
Aguliar, Dougherty, Davis, about 14 of their trustee candidates?
FOP is going to have some town hall meetings. Go yourself and get informed. After the presentation is finished asked good questions. Don't let a malcontent decide your vote.
Remember you are voting on the whole contract not just on one or two items that help or hurt you.
Remember if we go to arbitration he will only have a say in less than 6 issues.
The city takes the raise off the table for the first year. We lost in court.
Many of the other issues the Sgt's and the firemen either lost at arbitration or just gave in on.
WE HAVE to be the first union at the table not the last one. We can blame Shields but Dougherty and Aguliar also let the letter thing happen!!
Off-Topic: So, American citizen Matthew Miller tears up his visa and demands asylum in North Korea and they try him for committing 'hostile acts' (presumably against North Korea?) and now he's sentenced to 6 yrs of hard labor there.
Be careful what you wish for, Matthew Miller. You get to stay in North Korea, just like you wanted!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If I retire and leave country and become a citizen of Canada and come back as an illegal, do I get free healthcare?
9/14/2014 08:04:00 PM
Yes. And anything else you could ever dream of.
All you people who voted for Mr. Disability are getting exactly what you deserve. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
these piece of shit politicians along with our useless union should all be hanging from trees.
dean angelo, you fucked us like everone in the past has....thanks jagbag..
First off I don't want FOP administering anything for me. They are not a union but a bargaining agent. They have a poor track record and have not looked put for the best interest of officers benefits. Ex. Vacation earned days now hours, forgiving pension payments, losing insurance at 55, etc. Second, the City administers the insurance policies and that's fine. It's their company coverage and it's good coverage. You do not have to deal with the benefits office for your claims. Go online to BCBS.
they SHOULD have the name changed to FLOP....perfect.
Why should those under 60 get any kind of health deal? They are still of working age. In the regular (real) work world you'll never get these.
Thank you for your appreciation for our years of hard work and sacrifice on your behalf. I'm inspired.
No elected official, no matter how long in office, should receive anything after they are out of office. No pension, no security, no anything. Hell, all these turds are volunteers, they probably shouldn't even be paid; maybe room and board at a local military base.
So now we know what happens when the citizens vote in a wealthy candidate,even if the same would apply to Rham regarding health care and he would have to pay more he is a millionare and he just don't care,so let that be a lesson to you all!
No pension for Rham,no health care,no social security,no thanks or good luck,just bad rubbish,he will get what he deserves and we will say,now u know how it feels!
Anonymous said...
who says the city owes the retirees everything? people should have woken up in the 80s when companies were cutting pension plans and benefits, if you are stupid enough to think you can retire on the pension plan and benefits you are a fool, you HAVE TO SAVE SOME OF YOUR OWN MONEY!!!
9/14/2014 11:48:00 AM
Im not a cop...but it is clear that you are a fucking moron.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
These health care premiums are all going up because soooooooooooo many people get free health care! This is crazy! We would have been better off not working our entire life and living off the government!
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brought my infant son to Lutheran for what amounted to a couple of blisters. The hosp. was great and they did all kinds of stuff to prevent what might have been more serious. Stayed n the hosp. for 2 days. Bill was $15K. Insurance paid for it, that's not the beef. But $15K?
Do you really think we would be better off with the FOP doing our medical? Think again. At least the city has the money and we can also go to court and have a chance. When the FOP has no more money that's it. You can't get blood out of a turnip.
He just thinks rules don't apply to him....Would love to see someone call him out on it....but yet he still won't address welfare reform/fraud/abuse....that would save millions...
Why should those under 60 get any kind of health deal? They are still of working age. In the regular (real) work world you'll never get these.
Because that's what we were promised when we took the job Asshole! Maybe you should strap on a gun and do it yourself....
Anonymous said...
Government "workers" should be on social security and private savings like working America. If people don't like it, they are free to look for work elsewhere.
9/14/2014 01:09:00 AM
I paid into FICA for 10 years before coming on the police department. I had my 40 quarters and qualified for social security and Medicare and a City pension upon retirement. Rostenkowski screwed me, when I retired they chopped 60% off my social security, calling it "The Windfall Elimination Provision."
The US Government considered the pension I earned and paid into for 29 years a "Windfall." And my Social Security? I collect $295 a month instead of the full amount of $700 and some change I qualified for.
Good thing your crackpot ideas aren't law. The City of Chicago would be even more broke having to pay billions into the Social Security system.
But you must live with the system as it is in Chicago. If you don't like it you are free to look for residence and work elsewhere also.
Anonymous said...
If I retire and leave country and become a citizen of Canada and come back as an illegal, do I get free healthcare?
9/14/2014 08:04:00 PM
Yes. And anything else you could ever dream of.
9/14/2014 10:17:00 PM
You get healthcare paid for by Canada, and if whatever you need is not available in Canada, the Canadian Government has flights into the US all the time sending plane loads of Canadians to major medical centers in the US for treatment.
Plus the fishing and hunting is better up there and much fewer homicides and other crime. And way less corrupt politicians. You could tape a picture of Rahm Emanuel to the side of your car and people would ask, "Who is that?" Now is that a great country or what?
Anonymous said...
I think it was a mistake to vote Disability Dean as FOP president. He doesn't have to pay health insurance until mandatory retirement and pays no taxes either. Not to shabby for getting a shit contract!
9/14/2014 12:10:00 PM
He doesn't pay taxes on his disability pay. He does pay taxes on his FOP pay. Since when is performance on the job in Chicago tied to compensation?
Anonymous said...
I gave them 37 years and I'm about to turn 65 and don't qualify for Medicare. I called the pension board and was told the insurance would cost $1000 a month for me and my wife!! Now there's a nice thanks for your service.
9/14/2014 08:32:00 PM
You got mailings over the years and had plenty of time to work CTA Special Employment to qualify for Medicare. Plenty of older cops did it. CTA is the only Special Employment that takes out Medicare tax. You were supposed to pay attention, figure out how many days a year of Medicare qualified pay you needed and for how many years and work the required days plus a couple to make sure you qualified for Medicare.
Don't say now that nobody ever told you. I am sure you most likely ignored all reminders. You needed to manage your own retirement plans. Remember all those years of paychecks with no Medicare tax taken out? You were hired before it became mandatory.
Maybe there is something the ACA can do for you. (Obama-care)
Call 1-800-MEDICARE (1-800-633-4227)
and talk to someone to get the straight info.
Yes, I am a participant in the lawsuit, and have contributed $ 500.
Mr. Krislov, in his latest email, mentioned that certain commitments were made,by organizations that weren't kept. Could this mean the
FOP ? It is my belief, that more than 50K, was promised, but never paid.
Anonymous said...
I'm now paying $ 1360 per month for my health insurance, plus an additional $ 83 per month for my dental. This is for two non medicare people. This is insane. Why isn't the FOP trying to help the retirees ? Dean made a lot of promises to get our votes. Now, crickets.
9/14/2014 06:21:00 PM
I just called Medicare, the $1,000 or $1,300 a month figure sounds way high.
call 1-800-MEDICARE (1-800-633-4227)
Get the correct info from them.
This lousy fuck Rahm Emanuel HAS GOT TO GO!
Anonymous said...
So now we know what happens when the citizens vote in a wealthy candidate,even if the same would apply to Rham regarding health care and he would have to pay more he is a millionare and he just don't care,so let that be a lesson to you all!
9/15/2014 12:21:00 AM
Wake up. Theres not too many politicians anywhere including Washington and the city of Chicago.
Don't think we have to run a bingo for any of them.
What they did do was vote to keep the pension paying into the retired officers healthcare. I believe the pension pays 13%, city had been paying 55% and us the rest. Now with Rahm dropping the second raise on us at least the pension is paying the 13%,money we would have had to pay.
9/14/2014 06:16:00 PM
It's our pension money. We are still paying it. Duh.
9/14/2014 09:51:00 PM
DUH If the pension board voted to stop their 13% subsidy for retiree healthcare we would still be paying 9% into the pension, but we would have to pay that additional 13% from our paychecks DUH
These health care premiums are all going up because soooooooooooo many people get free health care! This is crazy! We would have been better off not working our entire life and living off the government!
9/14/2014 04:55:00 PM
Maybe they wan to stem the draining of the pension fund? Aren't the retired health premiums paid out of the pension fund?
No and yes. The pension pays 13% of the retiree healthcare cost, the city had been paying 55% and the retirees the rest.
Concur young man. You active copper' can wriye a book about getting the shaft everyday at work. Glad to have pulled the pin but still miss the clowns OTJ. You guys take care of your health and try an stay away from the jiller called stress. Not easy guys.
Question, do us retired people vote on the contract ? I feel I have no right to vote for something that has to do with active coppers.
I would vote NO cause you guys deserve much better. But then again, if the send me a ballot I will discard cause I am no longer the police.
Please stay well and safe. The job and the streets has turned to shit.
I don't blame copper' having blinders on at work in the hood. They hate the police anyway. Let them call operation PUSH and that phony priest !
Retirees don't vote on the contract
Anonymous said...
All you people who voted for Mr. Disability are getting exactly what you deserve. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
9/14/2014 10:39:00 PM
I now "Agree"
I wish I was on one of those several hundred buses filled with non U.S. Citizens so I can receive free health care.
What does the MLAS commander say?
9/14/2014 02:18:00 PM
Whatever he says..... he's wrong.
O'neil is a huge stroke!
All the more reason to either sit on your Parker and ANOV book Or write every politician you can
Anonymous said...
I'm now paying $ 1360 per month for my health insurance, plus an additional $ 83 per month for my dental. This is for two non medicare people. This is insane. Why isn't the FOP trying to help the retirees ? Dean made a lot of promises to get our votes. Now, crickets.
9/14/2014 06:21:00 PM
I just called Medicare, the $1,000 or $1,300 a month figure sounds way high.
call 1-800-MEDICARE (1-800-633-4227
You have misread the comment. The poster said he paid $1360 a month for his healthcare , not medicare. He went on to say this was for 2 NON MEDICARE people.
For most people medicare is $109.40 a month, a few bucks higher for higher income people.
brought my infant son to Lutheran for what amounted to a couple of blisters. The hosp. was great and they did all kinds of stuff to prevent what might have been more serious. Stayed n the hosp. for 2 days. Bill was $15K. Insurance paid for it, that's not the beef. But $15K?
Did you see all those ghetto apartment complexes across the street full of half the 3rd world? Guess who has to cover all their costs when they use the LG ER as their doctor? EMTALA is the law that ruined this nation's medical system.
You have misread the comment. The poster said he paid $1360 a month for his healthcare , not medicare. He went on to say this was for 2 NON MEDICARE people.
For most people medicare is $109.40 a month, a few bucks higher for higher income people.
9/15/2014 09:15:00 PM
Actually it's $104.90 a month.
call 1-800-MEDICARE (1-800-633-4227
You have misread the comment. The poster said he paid $1360 a month for his healthcare , not medicare. He went on to say this was for 2 NON MEDICARE people.
For most people medicare is $109.40 a month, a few bucks higher for higher income people.
9/15/2014 09:15:00 PM
He said he is non-Medicare. You won't get Medicare if you never paid into it, you need 40 quarters of paying into it just like social security. In 2014 you need to earn $4800 of Medicare.social security wages to get the 4 quarters for the year. Newer employees have Medicare taken out.
Older employees do not and have to work side jobs or CTA Special Employment to make sure they get the required 40 quarters. Call Medicare and they can tell you the straight stuff, if you qualify, how much etc.
You have misread the comment. The poster said he paid $1360 a month for his healthcare , not medicare. He went on to say this was for 2 NON MEDICARE people.
For most people medicare is $109.40 a month, a few bucks higher for higher income people.
9/15/2014 09:15:00 PM
Actually it's $104.90 a month.
9/16/2014 08:56:00 AM
Actually your right. I'm retired, must have transposed the numbers
To the writer who writes: try working nights weekewnds, missing parties etc. Just 1 big questionto you: Were you forced to become the police ? NO would be the correct answer. You took this job because maybe you thought it was an adventure, or maybe followed in daddys' footstep, all the other reasons. My point is that you knew all of these things might have been lost when you became a copper. So, please, stop crying, you made the choice. This mayor is no friend of ours. he is a rich little north shore guy who cares nothing about us. SO FUCK HIM!!!!
Policeman please get behind a new mayor please.
No CR# for officers having sex in conference room at police headquarters . Both officers were down on a personal with 13 minutes left when they were interrupted .
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