Contract Videos
FOP Prez Angelo explains certain aspects of the proposed Contract in a number of short videos available over at the FOP site (link on the right hand side).
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Discuss here. Hopefully, it dispels a lot of rumors - and undoubtedly, will provoke a few others.
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Discuss here. Hopefully, it dispels a lot of rumors - and undoubtedly, will provoke a few others.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
219 Comments:
Based on what our FOP Rep. spoke of at roll call, The FOP bargained for 500 new vehicles. Why would that be a part of bargaining anyway?? Lets say they don't purchase them? Who's gonna hold Rahm to it? He does not care about contracts or judges orders! If this is part of the contract it was not spelled out in anyone of the 6 videos I viewed...
Prescriptions double in price after 3 retail purchases. Now we have to do everything thru the mail. I have 2 long term prescriptions I need. More B.S. and paperwork to fill out. Thanks Mr. Disability
Im glad he provided explaination. Kinda skeptical why the union jumped into the agreement before the Mayoral campaign. Im also happy he gave up the duty availability for new guys to keep what we have. A rep came to rollcall and explained what the new guys dont have cant hurt em.
I think the videos are good and informative. I am voting yes. It is a good contract.
Question is how does Jin Ade get re elected or even consider running. The sergeants overwhelmingly rejected the contract he proposed and the videos showcase how the sergeants got screwed. Why did they negotiate first - everyone told Ade to let FOO, the larger union, go first. But Ade wanted to show how smart he is ha, ha,ha, ha.
We get better raises, we do not need to do wellness and the potential $50 per month and we do not pay 2% until 2017 for healthcare when we retire.
Play them all simultaneously, and backwards and you get an alternative ending to "The Wizard of Oz"...
Just kidding. They have been up for about a week, and they were pretty informative.
Voting no!
As usual they dangle the retro to get us to give up retro pension and seniority
FUNNY the Time due portion has no percentages or numbers listed. How can we vote when we don't know the percentage the City wants.
Also why the F' do they need to track my time off and denials. Here we go with Big Brother Monitoring us
THESE ARE BOT VERY VERY VERY BAD THINGS TO HAVE IN A CONTRACT VERY BAD
Anybody who votes yes for this contract is a stooge and completely blind. Look at the details Attaching vehicles and time due percentages to a contract is a bad presidence.
What are the finer details on what determines time due? What's the percentage , how do we determine staffing levels for each district and give them a percentage? We are going to get f'd.
Don't just vote on the money
Vote no
If these videos don't show you what a rat Dean is I don't know what will. He is no friend of the working coppur. Strike the contract down and send it to arb
Horse poop
Retirees just got whacked with a 40% increase in medical premiums while Tiny Dancer is welcoming, with open arms, hundreds of 'unaccompanied minors', each of which will be receive the finest health care upon their arrival and for the duration of their stay.
Fuck Rahm.
Fuck the bought and paid for FOP.
Fuck this contract.
VOTE NO
If they would have given you your contract in good faith when it expired!!!
The Shields incident wouldn't have even been a factor.
You would already received your raise and could have been drawing interest on it!
All your overtime would have been in this raise!!
We wouldn't have to give up anything for what we rightly deserved, and should have already had in our pockets!!
But now that is their carrot, to give us part of what we deserved, and done without for all this time.
The teachers did better than us!
No way they will give us less than the firefighters, only equal, and that's what we will get!
But to deny us anything that we would have gotten if they agreed to our contract, ON TIME... like it should have been is a disgrace!!!
You will not get my vote, or anyone I talk to RAHM1
Make our contract fair.
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
Emanuel Socks City Retirees With 40 Percent Health Insurance Hike
FRI, 09/12/2014 - 7:00PM
FRAN SPIELMAN
@FSPIELMAN | EMAIL
Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Friday dropped another financial bombshell on Chicago’s 25,000 retired city workers and their dependents: their monthly health insurance premiums will be going up by a whopping 40 percent — in spite of a pending lawsuit and a precedent-setting Illinois Supreme Court ruling.
http://politics.suntimes.com/article/chicago/emanuel-socks-city-retirees-40-percent-health-insurance-hike/fri-09122014-700pm#bmb=1
A rep came to rollcall and explained what the new guys dont have cant hurt em.
9/13/2014 01:22:00 AM
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Are you serious?
It ultimately hurts everyone.
This contract is not good.
did fire give up duty for new hires not hating just wondering why we would?
He said the furloughs incorrectly. It 4 yrs on to get 24 working days. Not 9.
Im glad he provided explaination. Kinda skeptical why the union jumped into the agreement before the Mayoral campaign. Im also happy he gave up the duty availability for new guys to keep what we have. A rep came to rollcall and explained what the new guys dont have cant hurt em.
9/13/2014 01:22:00 AM
I agree, shitcan all their benefits as long as they keep contributing financially. I got mine, to hell with you. I guess you went native working in the ghetto.
Eventually you will still get your precious retro, anyway, even if you vote NO. If you care about yourself and your family's future, vote NO. The proposed new contract is a slap in the face. Don't be lured into Rahm's trap. It will cost you later. Vote NO
Agree or disagree, Angelo did the right thing with the videos.
Meanwhile Rahm acting as if he still worked for Clinton, did a Friday afternoon Info Dump and stated that he will increase healthcare costs for retirees, 30-40%! Thank You Rahm, may you rot in hell you little chunk of shit.
If the vehicles are part of the Contract, shouldn't the membership be allowed to vote on type and kind of vehicles chosen?
Give Retirees families the same package Rahm is giving to "Undocumented/Illegal" Alien kids. Rahm, may you rot in hell you piece of Northshore discharge.
Shiny new cars!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
9/13/2014 03:35:00 AM
And, despite your ten anonymous posts on the subject, scc still isn't going to make it a topic.
Let it go. If there's video, it's over, so just knock it off now.
Here is the link to the contract video if anyone is interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMjqlVcLCmg
Why isn't the whole contract printed on the FOP website? We gave up some positions. What was deleted and what was added are important. Let us see it all before the vote.
The 75/25 for a tier 3 hospital under the PPO plan is why I'm voting NO!
The videos were informative,granted not great but informative none the less! Look at what arbitrator gave sergeants it is less than we have on this contract proposal!
Here is the lieutenants:
http://www.cpdlts.com/tentatively_agreed_provisions_web_version.DOCX
Look at the raise!
Just an example.
I'm voting yes have 28 years on, last 2 arbitration were not good for police, no way will we get better only worse! Going to retire next year many of the dinosaurs are leaving at least the smart ones are if your 55 and able to retire, the best thing you can do is put your papers in. Now before October 1st. The problem could be we won't know if this contract passes or not until after the retirement deadline, and what if yes it's possible it goes to arbitration and the arbitrator does not "have to" give us the same as firemen and they pull the 55 and out off table completely and then you think "wow I could of retired and got it" but I did not!
Thanks also SCC for making this a thread as this is very important topic!!
Anonymous said...
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
9/13/2014 03:35:00 AM
Whoever you are you keep putting this up on many different places tell us the story! Was it your bike? Who is the copper? You obviously want to out him/her! Kind of a punk way to keep do this don't you think?
Who cares about new cars. Everyone knows the bosses take all the new cars and we get their old ones. Oh I forgot CAPS in 012 has to get a new one because they cried when the watch took theirs away.
The use of the internet what an age we live in!
I still don't know why we have 3 vice presidents at the FOP if that can't even do flunky work like cut a video.
Hey 1:29am.....you are sooo smart, we get what you get stupid! Eve here of me too.
I'm voting no.
Why are cars even on the table? Put pressure on the fleet comissioner about the cars. What are they gonna do to you if there's no car? Play angry birds till one shows up. F em
Anonymous said...
Prescriptions double in price after 3 retail purchases. Now we have to do everything thru the mail. I have 2 long term prescriptions I need. More B.S. and paperwork to fill out. Thanks Mr. Disability
9/13/2014 12:14:00 AM
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Most people with a brain order long term meds thru the mail now. Why pay 20 for 30 day supply when you can order 90 days for same price. First order takes less time than a contact card. Future orders are just a few mouse clicks away.
f they would have given you your contract in good faith when it expired!!!
You must be new. None of our contacts have ever been on time. Last fair contract was under Jane Byrne
Why the hell are we bargaining for fucken vehicles. bunch of idiots. Vehicles should have NOTHING to do with our contract. what do I get to keep it. Idiots
Hell. No. Any amount of pension going to healthcare is unacceptable. Slippery slope.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
VOTE NO
If they would have given you your contract in good faith when it expired!!!
The Shields incident wouldn't have even been a factor.
No way they will give us less than the firefighters, only equal, and that's what we will get!
But to deny us anything that we would have gotten if they agreed to our contract, ON TIME... like it should have been is a disgrace!!!
9/13/2014 03:24:00 AM
1. the 2012/2013 raise is gone if you go to arbitration. He may give you money back loaded on the contract so after it expires we are on par with the firemen. The court rule against fop and so did the labor board. Thank Shields but don't let Dougherty and Aguliar of the hook either. DiMaria still says he knows nothing.
2. we will be the only union in the city NOT in the city's wellness program. That alone will save you more in the first year of the contract than the lost OT on overtime.
3. All of our supervisory unions and the firemen gave away 2% on the retire health care. The city got the weakest union - the Sgt.'s - to fold first. When their membership had the brains to vote it down it went to arbitration. And they lost. Why? Maybe they - those who run the Sgt.'s union - wanted the shit contract.
Vote yes we lose little. Vote no and we lose a lot more. Sorry but that is reality. All of the bitching and moaning will not change the above facts.
Anonymous said...
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
9/13/2014 03:35:00 AM
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That is why at the academy we teach everyone to behave as if you are being recorded. We teach ethics and we teach everyone to do the right thing.
Question.....What was wrong with putting the 2% from 2012 which we were fucked out of by shields into retro for 2013 making our 2013 raise 4%, 2014 2%, 2015 then would be 2% 2016 2% and put that BS 1% raise into 2017? It still equals 11%. So our 2013 retro up to date would have been based on 4%.
Im not voting for this contract. Putting pension language in it along with contributions for retiree's healthcare is a dangerous precedent for future contracts. Furlough by watch is bullshit also. Now your/my seniority means jack shit in a district.
So you say a arbiter wouldn't give us anything based on 2012? Fine, squeeze the 11% into the formula based above. By the way I didn't see a video talking about pension or retiree healthcare contributions. Why or did I just miss it?
And conveniently left out of his bullshit videos?
THE FATAL FACT OF GIVING UP OUR ABILITY TO SUE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS OF OUR PENSIONS!!!
How convenient it is that putting pension bullshit into our contract under the guise of making it look like it's for "our" benefit somehow doesn't make the cut in video?
The FOP and all other unions have acted in concert to fuck over all their members and are now forming a "coalition" on the subject after knowingly giving away your right to sue the city for violating the pension clause.
Use your fucking heads people:
Your union representatives just signed a contract that clearly states if the city (through legislation passed by the state) violates the pension clause by changing the calculation of your benefits by forcing you to pay more for the same benefit, YOU have agreed that you will BARGAIN as reparation for this illegal act.
This means when or even IF your unions attempt to sue on the subject of pension clause violations the city's defense is that YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED YOU WOULD BARGAIN OR SEEK MEDIATION AS YOUR REMEDY!!
Therefore the courts will summarily throw out every case involving the unilateral increase of your pension contributions because you've already agreed to settle the problem OUT OF COURT.
And WHEN that happens the precedent is set that the pension protection clause can be violated "as long as the parties agree it's OK"
What this means legally is:
The pension clause can be violated.
There IS no provision stating "so long as it's agreed" in the constitution. So when the city's argument switches to "who says the parties have to agree" the case will be over. There IS no protection for "if both parties agree to a violation of the constitution:"
When this is ratified, legislation will be sent to the state to increase your contributions to 11% immediately. This will be passed immediately. Your respective reps will then "reopen" the contract as they have agreed to. They will then get fucked by an arbiter.
And the instance of fucking the pension clause and not getting relief will have been established and within the same year you will see pension cuts to current retirees and the loophole created by YOUR unions will be the out they need along with the precedent case law created by it to forever destroy your pensions via constitutional violations of the pension clause.
Congratulate yourselves and your unions. THIS was the only goal of this contract. All else contained within it means nothing.
40% increase to city retiree health care but this is a good contract. Screw that. If Rahm is going to continue to screw over city workers to save the tax payers of Chicago money. The city workers should have the right to choose to live out of the city and not be a city tax payer. Remove the residency rule. City employees are silly puppets to the Chicago Machine. Sickening!
Anonymous said...
Prescriptions double in price after 3 retail purchases. Now we have to do everything thru the mail. I have 2 long term prescriptions I need. More B.S. and paperwork to fill out. Thanks Mr. Disability
I also have 2 long term prescriptions. My doctor goes on line, orders 2 90 day refills. The $40.00 is charged to my credit card and I pay the credit card on line. Absolutely no paper involved. No reason to even walk into a retail store. Sorry, but your arguement holds no water.
Shields fucked up big time and I for one don't want to lose 4% worth of raises compounded over the life of the remainder of my career. Take the fucking deal and quit whining about bullshit like furlough selection by watch and a lousy 2% payment for health insurance at age 55. The private sector would kill for that deal.
F this contract
40% increase in retiree health insurance , we will all be retired one day , 500 new squad cars , unless they are take home cars for beat officers , stick it ,
What about staffing , beat cars , wagons down , one man cars on patrol . Unacceptable to have a one man car .
Officers in court on second watch , grease and oil , station assignment and you have 4 one man cars patrolling an entire district .. Commander has more man power in caps office , commanders office doing very little . Not only review , every phony inside job should be by Seniority , not clout . Seniority, we have the 5 year wonders that are working inside , afraid of stret and 25 year senior officers in a beat car .
End the inside office dollies or have inside clerical be by seniority only . Vote No , vote No .
Retirees just got whacked with a 40% increase in medical premiums while Tiny Dancer is welcoming, with open arms, hundreds of 'unaccompanied minors', each of which will be receive the finest health care upon their arrival and for the duration of their stay.
Fuck Rahm.
Fuck the bought and paid for FOP.
Fuck this contract.
9/13/2014 03:20:00 AM
Doesn't apply to retired police.
Vote no my friends , it's an election year . Every district ,Homan square , area d units academy , headquarters have 100's of office police , if they want armed office police officers , demand seniority .
How about a real shift differential that is pensionable 5% for afternoons , 6% for mid nights , nothing for day shift.
Fop is a joke new cars ? F u , how about seniority , how about NO MErit promotions , every copper has two years of college , can't pass a test , you work a beat car . All administrative assignments should be by seniority .
Vote No , forget retro , we will still get a pay raise , let's not beg for crumbs . How about officer safety , two man cars , document down cars , one man cars , hidden caps officers , expose it to the news media .
Vote NO .
The FOP bargained for 500 new vehicles.
fucking ridiculous...
OT:
Two Pennsylvania State Police troopers shot late Friday night, one fatally, were ambushed just outside the police barracks in Blooming Grove, Pennsylvania, Commissioner Frank Noonan told reporters.
The shooter or shooters have not been found, he said. "I know a lot of people are wondering if the threat is resolved. It is not," he said.
"This attack seems to be directed particularly at the Pennsylvania State Police," Noonan said.
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Police officers are being deliberately targeted all over the country. Be careful out there!
garbage deal
This contract will pass, if only because of the lack of foresight that the uniformed have in this department. I've been on this job for 15 yrs and my standard of living has gone down because of the lack of descent raises. Yet the only thing I hear from fellow officer's retro, retro, retro, or the other excuse we get about the unacceptable contract offers is thats the best we're gonna get. Pathetic!!! you have to negotiate for equipment? How sad is it when you have to negotiate for something that should be allocated in the budget....But you get what you deserve. You get to work twice as hard to have the extra money you need. What a bunch of SUCKERS we all are. 5 and done.
D2 for helicopter pilot , that helps who ?
Look at water Bill , telephone ,gas,electric and gasoline taxes , all way up there .
Suburbs owe 23,000,000 , poor city management .
Money for safe passage , school security , look at the people hired .
$5.00 an hour raise in minimum wage and police gat 11% over 5 years ,vote No.
Still haven't changed my mind, voting NO ! In the words of Nolan "Enjoy your retro check"
I just watched the FOP tapes. Marilyn Chambers had less shoved down her throat.
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Anonymous said...
Based on what our FOP Rep. spoke of at roll call, The FOP bargained for 500 new vehicles. Why would that be a part of bargaining anyway?? Lets say they don't purchase them? Who's gonna hold Rahm to it? He does not care about contracts or judges orders! If this is part of the contract it was not spelled out in anyone of the 6 videos I viewed...
9/13/2014 12:12:00 AM
Better read it again. City only needs to intend to buy cars. Not actually buy them. If someone complained to the union they should have learned and been advised about safety complaints and filed one. They can't make you drive an unsafe vehicle or illegal vehicle. They would buy new cars or fix it on their own.
Vote no! Or u will never get a day off. If they couldn't figure out staffing levels in the past 2 1/2 years they never will. Or it won't be in our favor. The levels will also need to address all the coppers (specifically in 010/and probably elsewhere) who are hidden on 3rd watch and 1st watch and used as admin on days by the DC. Until they spell it all out vote no! Our raise will never be less then fire by an arbitrator. Also the time due was supposed to be figured out last contract and lawsuit. See how well that worked out.
Anonymous said...
Anybody who votes yes for this contract is a stooge and completely blind. Look at the details Attaching vehicles and time due percentages to a contract is a bad presidence.
What are the finer details on what determines time due? What's the percentage , how do we determine staffing levels for each district and give them a percentage? We are going to get f'd.
Don't just vote on the money
Vote no
9/13/2014 02:30:00 AM
I work for money. I don't work for Rahm. I don't work to screw Rahm. Personally, I don't ever think about Rahm and I could care less if Rahm is mayor forever or if he dies tomorrow.
Pension is state law, not part of our contract.
Vote yes or get less.
Vote no! Remove the intend to buy a car! Add intend to do police work and get big raises and pension.
VOTE 'NO ON THE CONTRACRG said...
Retirees just got whacked with a 40% increase in medical premiums while Tiny Dancer is welcoming, with open arms, hundreds of 'unaccompanied minors', each of which will be receive the finest health care upon their arrival and for the duration of their stay.
Fuck Rahm.
Fuck the bought and paid for FOP.
Fuck this contract.
In 2017 we get hit with a 40000% raise in health care if u retire.
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station
I'm sure he was going to bring it back.
Anonymous said...
Based on what our FOP Rep. spoke of at roll call, The FOP bargained for 500 new vehicles. Why would that be a part of bargaining anyway?? Lets say they don't purchase them? Who's gonna hold Rahm to it? He does not care about contracts or judges orders! If this is part of the contract it was not spelled out in anyone of the 6 videos I viewed...
9/13/2014 12:12:00 AM
Might sound silly, but it's part of the safety of the officers.
This contract is bullshit.
1) purchasing of vehicles has no place in a labor contract. That is a city issue. We can later lobby the city council to up the number of vehicle purchases as every other day cars are going down with no replacements. If aldermen want calls to be serviced in their wards, they'll make the move.
2) the 2% on healthcare for retirees has no place in this contract either. That is a slippery slope right there that will only increase as time goes on. Pretty soon that 2% will turn into 100%.
3) same thing with duty availability. 4 years? That's fucking bullshit when you are required to take some sort of police action when you see something. That's another slippery slope too. Where did 4 years come from? The 1 year makes sense or 18 months.
Those are some of the more egregious examples I saw. Biggest reasons I'm voting no. At arbitration we will get to keep all the benefits we have now and still get AT LEAST 11% raise. The city cried poor at the last to contract negotiations and the arbitrator even said they can't come into every contract talk like that, especially after giving DePaul and Maggie Daley park so much.
Vote no. We can't do worse but we can't certainly do better in arbitration.
What the "New Guys Dont Have Cant Hurt Em", guess you wanna divide the job even further. They put on a uniform just like you and answer the same calls or maybe they shouldn't have to cause they arent treated the same by the contract.
I have read the arbitrators decision from the last contract. One question I don't understand is that an arbitrator is to decide on issues that FOP and the city are at an impasse on......if both parties have agreed on the 11% with retro pay, why would this issue even go before the arbitrator? Is FOP telling us that if the membership votes this down they are no longer in agreement on the 11%? Last contract we asked for almost 20%.....we never agreed to the 16% once offered.....that's why it was decided in arbitration. Letter or no letter an arbitrator is going to see that both parties agreed on 11%.
VOTE NO
If they would have given you your contract in good faith when it expired!!!
The Shields incident wouldn't have even been a factor.
You would already received your raise and could have been drawing interest on it!
All your overtime would have been in this raise!!
We wouldn't have to give up anything for what we rightly deserved, and should have already had in our pockets!!
But now that is their carrot, to give us part of what we deserved, and done without for all this time.
The teachers did better than us!
No way they will give us less than the firefighters, only equal, and that's what we will get!
But to deny us anything that we would have gotten if they agreed to our contract, ON TIME... like it should have been is a disgrace!!!
You will not get my vote, or anyone I talk to RAHM1
Make our contract fair.
9/13/2014 03:24:00 AM
Would have, should have, could have... Shields fucked up and if we go to arbitration we lose both 2% hikes for for the 1st year. Take the deal.
First off any mention of vehicles should be at most a safety committee issue not a contract issue. Hey Rahm if you don't want to purchase vehicles for the dept. Fine with me I get paid anyways. Second you do. to want to be in the wellness program, it's punitive, and designed to take money from you. Basically all an arbitrator is gonna give you is what the CFD got and that is what this contract is. Dont risk wellness program inclusion, cause you miss your points it's $100.00 a month for the yr, so bye bye raise.
i will definitely vote no. where is that weasel shields these days after fucking us all over? everyone should vote no on this contract and let it go to arbitration. we would be giving up way too much to this shady mayor who gives us a crap deal/equipment already. why should we negotiate getting squad cars? that is a necessity to get to emergencies in a timely manner. the murder mayor is still trying to screw us on our pension lets not forget so lets not negotiate with such a corrupt, shady, twinkle toe, ass weasel like rahmie the commie. for gods sake he is raising health insurance on our retirees again so what makes you think he is looking out for us. forget the retro for a minute and lets do whats right here and let it go to arbitration. VOTE NO!!!
I'm voting yes. I think the contract is fair. I bigger raise would be better but the arbitrator will not give us more than CFD. I was impressed with the informational videom. the part about time due is silly. We all know that will never happen.
Anonymous said...
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
9/13/2014 03:35:00 AM
Greetings to you, you pencil-necked, weak-kneed coward. Frankly, in my many decades on this Earth, having seen so much, I still find it amazing that there are so many clammy-faced, pinheaded, malignant cancers like you.
What have you gained by posting this pointless rumor?
On a subject about contracts? Are you stupid or just a low-life scumbag?
You are not the police. You are either one of Rahm's foot-licking stooges or a member of the whiny, clueless media.
If God forbid you have a star and blue uniform, be advised that you are not the police. You are a petty, spineless impostor unworthy of notice, even from the rats gnawing at the garbage cans in the alley.
There is a legless, wormlike lizard with tiny eyes that is almost completely blind - called a Blindworm. Whoever you are, where ever you go, that is what people see when they look at you.
Slime on, Blindworm.
hey ssc i cant rahm but im voting for the contract very bad economy i seRved in iraq, bo is GIVING our GREAT military a 1 percent raise, and he tryed to cut mililtary educational benefits too, just keep the welfare and section 8 fully funded , also north riverside fire dept is GOING to BE privitazed , do what you want but i suggest vote yes and try to do better next time PS 45 MILLION AMERICANS OUT OF WORK
How we are deceived by cost of living wage and pension benefit increases.
Hint: The words "Cost Of Living" don't mean what you think they do.
How the Government Deceives us on Inflation, as Rents and Housing Costs Soar
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Housing accounts for 30% of CPI, and understating inflation in housing will cut overall CPI by a big chunk. Actual inflation in housing costs is still there, but you can’t see it in the official numbers, on the government principle that hidden inflation is the best inflation.
It eats up your bank deposits and your wages and the value of your Treasuries and everything else you own. It pushes you into higher tax brackets though tax brackets are indexed to CPI – the hidden bracket creep.
Any government or corporate programs, pensions, and benefits that are indexed to CPI will gradually become less costly to the government or the corporation, and less valuable to you. The savings to them over time are huge. And best of all, understating inflation overstates “real” economic growth as measured by inflation-adjusted GDP. It’s the perfect solution for economies that are mired down.
Consumers, workers, and taxpayers are getting shafted without knowing about it. And the Fed doesn’t use CPI as inflation gauge for its purposes. It uses PCE, which understates inflation even more (chart). And so it can carry on its scorched-earth monetary policy while loudly proclaiming that inflation is below “target.” Hidden inflation is simply perfect.
The crime is down math used for rent and home prices are shown in the article. Read it. Cost of living raises tied to the BLS indexes are BULLSHIT.
Now scroll down the price list of groceries here in the "city avg." col. and look at the double digit inflation increases and explain how the proposed 'cost of living' increase is gonna enable us to maintain our standard of living
Adios...Illinois tax revenue..
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I'm ok w the 11% but it's the rest of it that I can't stomach and for that reason I vote NO. I will not sacrifice what's been bargained for & in some cases paid for in blood for myself or my future brothers in blue to get what amounts to less than $1200 after taxes in retro for tax year 2012~13. Let it go to arbitration - I'd rather "lose" something than live with giving it away. We complain about what past contracts have "given" away...let's not be the ones who give it away for our future brothers. If we go to an arbitrator we'll get 8-10% but we won't sacrifice the education, duty pay, pension premiums etc. bc those are items that have been bargained for in good faith & can not be changed unless we take Rahms bribes of retro. VOTE NO & let's stand together to tell this Mayor we deserve better.
FOP is going to start taping the general meetings and stream them on line. That's why you see the box on the FOP main page for Login ID and Password. Some idiot copper will give the press or mayors office their login info so they will have to turn the camera off when they start taking about litigation or law suits.
Could you see the Donahue/Dougherty group putting the shit they did at meetings on line or Shields when he looked like a dear in the headlights?
Anonymous said...
Prescriptions double in price after 3 retail purchases. Now we have to do everything thru the mail. I have 2 long term prescriptions I need. More B.S. and paperwork to fill out. Thanks Mr. Disability
9/13/2014 12:14:00 AM
Hate to give up anything,but this doesn't seem to be a big deal. After 3 retail purchases its cheaper to go thru the mail order and even easier. Why go monthly when you get three months of medication for less money. A simple phone call, on line or in the mail gives you a three month refill.
If you have 2 long term prescriptions, mail order is better for the above reasons. Why go to Walgreens every month.
To all you cry babies out there go take a walk. Vote no on this contract and you will get nothing when it goes to arbitration. Then you'll bitch again, why didn't the union do this or that, blah, blah blah. Is this the best contract we could've gotten? NO but we can't get everything in our favor,that's life. When you sit down at the table it's about NEGOTIATION. You give us this, we give you that, you pay for this, we pay for that. It's how it works boys and girls. The mayor got things in this contract that he didn't want I can assure you of that. Educate yourself then VOTE. Vote yes or no but educate yourself first. Don't listen to a bunch of blow hards on a blog.
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
9/13/2014 03:35:00 AM
How many years does this knucklehead have on the job?
I've had multiple batons swiped that I left in the car working midnights. Tired, forgetful, 1st watch is tough no matter how much sleep you get. Somewhat knew the guy on afternoons, would ask the asshole FTO dinosaur on days if he has it. "No, I never saw it." Back then we shared the same car.
Same thing with my raincoat. It would rain right out of roll call and then stop very early on. By the time you checked off at 8 in the morning, it's sunny and crystal blue skies. You forgot it even fucking rained. Check the trunk, gone. Name engraved on the sticks and marker on coat.
I hate thieves.
I still to this day find officers belongings and turn it in. Post a flyer at roll call. Probably because it seems like I'm the only one who cleans the fucking cars out and finds this shit. Newspapers, ketchup packets, dirty napkins, coffee cups, creamers, pringles containers, cell phone charger, handcuff key, you name it, it's in there- somewhere.
When have we ever gone to arbitration and actually won? Get serious people...Shields said it for the wrong reasons but he hit the nail on the head" contracts and arbitration is fixed in the city's favor"...and this time it will be different? Wake up people!
Over 25 years on and voting No.
To all the youngsters , forget the retro , we will all retire one day , this sob just raised health care for retirees, our water bills have doubled in 4 years , more to come , telephone 911 tax now $4.75 per telephone , we are paying and do not use the 911 system , no tax on Obama phone , $$ for safe passage metal detectors , all kind of free $ for baby mama and kids , free lunch ,free wifi , twice as many police on patrol in the ghetto , there is more to come . Working hard to give your kid a good safe education , guess what cps thugs got 5 points and preference like the military , sanctuary city .vote no , our union is not protecting us ,
Keep your retro , give us manpower , safety , increase for working nights and week ends . Seniority should be used for all inside assignments .
Check Out Illinois Fop labor Council website. All of the police arbitrations and contract negotiations are getting at least 2 1/2 to 3% a year and retro. Come together and vote no send Rahm a message an arbitrator will give us the raise we deserve.Vote NO!
I am voting NO on the contract.
Here is why>
1. According to the meetings and the videos posted. The overtime on the first year retro was only One Million dollars. For the City not to include all overtime retro is a slap in the hard working officers in this City. The Mayor had his chance to settle and he decided to say UP YOURS !.
2. Seniority has always been something that officers had to earn , now with this furlough by watch it basically says we know you have seniority but for management purposes we want to control the manpower with what we have , and not worry about having to hire more manpower. Furlough by district effected only the management people who had 2nd watch, but furlough by watch effects a higher amount of officers.
3. The current PPO plan has an officer paying out a maximum of 10% , but with this tier system if a officer does not go to a tier one hospital it can cost up to 40% more out of their pocket. To me this is unexpectable.
4. Duty availability taken away from new hires only opens the doors for the City to take away Duty Availability altogether. This is something that we negotiated for in the past , and probably gave something up to get it back then. Now we are willing to allow the city to take away future bargaining tools like Duty Availability. I SAY NO.
4. New cars in contract is a slap to our face, If the City wants to send us out in old broken down cars, let them give the citizens and out of state travelers a bad impression so be it. But better have your fucking hat on at the shooting. Get real, those cars will come regardless if we sign this contract or if it goes to ARBITRATION.
5.Promise time due -- that's all I will say to you
WE ARE SHORT --DENIED, BUT THE CONTRACT SAYS WE . I SAID DENIED.
6. Tuition reimbursement was another thing we negotiated in , don't let them take it without getting something in return.
7. Working furlough a year earlier is nice , but does not help those who have maxed out already . I rather see instead of year earlier , our vacation hours turned into days not hours. Bfd days without burning .5 hours comp. This would be a benefit for all not just the younger officers.
8. Things that haven't gone up are
bfd days
pd days
uniform allowance
why haven't those gone up over the last 9 years.
Make a wise choice and lets fight this together.
STAY SAFE .
I watched the videos and read the summary.
I am voting YES for the contract.
The bottom line is this:
If you vote YES, then you believe that the proposed contract, overall, is BETTER than anything we could get later from arbitration.
If you vote NO, then you believe that somehow, as if by magic, the arbitrator will favor us over the City, and give us wonderful things that, in their totality, will end up being a much better contract for us than what is currently up for a vote.
Our general history with contracts settled by arbitration is NOT GOOD. In arbitration, that first year is legally "dead," so you can kiss the 4-percent of raises for the first year goodbye, and those raises, permanently lost if we go to arbitration, are pensionable and extremely important to our future.
I am voting YES. If you decide to vote no, then you are hoping that the future agreement decided by the arbitrator will be better for us, in the end. I believe that such thinking is pure folly.
Very helpfull video and very true what he said about what we will lose in arbitration. This has been known to anyone that has been paying attention when Shields screwed us. The first year is dead to the arbitrator and he can not give us anything back. We will get no retro that year. I'm voting yes because I think we will get slammed by the arbitrator. Our history in arbitration is poor. This contract is better than I expected.
Rahm just increased retiree healthcare by FORTY percent. DO NOT ALLOW HIM TO GET HIS FOOT IN THE DOOR WITH A 'measly' 2 percent contribution. PLEASE!!! Several grand in retro is not worth a lifetime of healthcare payment....
Watch the video. What he's saying is real and the truth. We can not go to arbitration. The reason the city doesn't have to pay us OT retro the first year is because they can. It's their right. Our past union fucked up. They have to pay us OT retro after that year because we sent the letter. We are lucky the city is giving us salary retro for the first year. I think the contract is fair. We didn't lose holidays, duty avail, uniform allow, no increase in health, no wellness. Voting yes.
To those complaining about the sgt. Union negotiating before FOP, this had to be done because Shields and his crew were more concerned about helping themselves than they were about membership. Not being first to the table, for the first time in history of FOP, was bigger fuck up than retro fuck up. I am shocked that Shields has not has his ass kicked by anyone yet. The amount of damage he did to all of us in 2-plus years is unbelievable.
The very fact they are including language about vehicles should make everyone think about voting yes to this. New vehicles are not a bargaining chip, it is the city's responsibility, not something we negotiate. Wake up and think long term for once and not about retro. It disgusts me that the 1st item everyone obsesses about is how much retro is included, don't be simple!
Good video. I can say that if we go to arbitration after another year or more when the pro-city arbitrator takes stuff away including a lot of $$$$, there will be a lot of sad faces walking around the districts. I encourage all to watch the video. Voting yes beacause I think we will get hosed big by arbitration.
Still voting NO.
This contract is like a rat trap & retro is the cheese! Take the cheese & get fucked in the end! The discipline provisions are trash, opening the contract to adjust pension requirements trash! Furlough by watch has been tried & failed more fucking trash! I'll take my chances with the arbitrator.
Guys, you all need to watch the video. It's all true and very important to pay attention to. Listen to each part carefully. I wish we could have received a better pay increase, but the fact is we are in step with the other unions mainly the CFD. We are getting a better deal than most others as far as benefits. We will lose in arbitration. I'm a yes vote.
Im glad he provided explaination. Kinda skeptical why the union jumped into the agreement before the Mayoral campaign. Im also happy he gave up the duty availability for new guys to keep what we have. A rep came to rollcall and explained what the new guys dont have cant hurt em.
9/13/2014 01:22:00 AM
You're as stupid as they come. We are all Chicago Police Officers - that includes the past, current and the FUTURE! I don't care about one year of retro. The FOP should pay that difference for THEIR fuck up. How ignorant can you be? So this is negotiating?? Absolutely voting NO!
Anonymous said...
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
9/13/2014 03:35:00 AM
Good glad they aren't covering it up. Well deserved. Scumbag!
I'm voting yes! The arbitrator will not do better and the last one is proof of it. The unfortunate souls stuck on the 1st watch for the first half of their careers because of the lack of clout or seniority will benefit from this contract with respect to furloughs by watches. It's some compensation for the absence of shift differential which hopefully will replace that duty avail one day.
Fat guy on a little bike!
Vote NO boys and girls retired Police
Im glad he provided explaination. Kinda skeptical why the union jumped into the agreement before the Mayoral campaign. Im also happy he gave up the duty availability for new guys to keep what we have. A rep came to rollcall and explained what the new guys dont have cant hurt em.
9/13/2014 01:22:00 AM
You do realize that all that money is pensionable and will no longer be contributing to your retirement? Don't be so willing to accept what someone tells you doesn't affect you will not.
This is a bad deal. 42 months of no duty availability for new guys, 2% health care contribution for retirees, tuition reimbursement decrease! and the absolute low of 11% because that's what the CFD received?!? We should be pushing for more than 11%, closer to the teachers, giving up less, and kissing this one time retro payoff goodbye. It's not a good trade off for us. We are opening the door to giving up benefits left and right for a retro check and a raise that doesn't even keep up with inflation? Please vote no, I know I will.
Funny thing, I don't remember the arbitrator being very kind to us the last to contracts.
Vote no.
Don't help Emanuel get re-elected.
40% increase for retiree health while he welcomes thousands of illegal alien kids to the Sanctuary City for freebies for life.
Do not help Emanuel.
Lets go to arbitration.
Vote no.... its part of NEGOTIATING. Who takes the 1st offer?
VOTE YES because I want some of my retro, now. What is not given to me during this contract I will just have to do without! I'm in retirement mode so VOTE YES!
Big joke! We gave up a lot and got nothing. As far as the money we would have gotten that any way.......
Does anybody know what is meant by advanced degree? This language must be more specific does this mean masters or phd?
Remember a few years ago when the city cried the economy was bad and the could not give us a substantial rasie? Well guess what the economy is better now at least that's what's the media says. So where is our real raise? It should be at least 3% a year for five years. For two years we get a whopping 1% increase each year. Seriously that's pathetic
Take a good look at those PPO insurance plans as well tier 1 and tier two, we will be paying more for health insurance without a doubt
But hey our 1% raise will cover it!
This contract sucks! I will do nothing! KMA!!!!
As usual they dangle the retro to get us to give up retro pension and seniority
What are you talking about? Give up retro? The only retro we lose is in the first year and that is only on O.T.
Tactical unit voting no
This could have been offered two years ago
Keep the retro pay , not selling our souls
Tactical officers make minimum $10,000 a year in overtime .
I am voting YES.
Thank you FOP for all the hard work during the negotiations.
This proposed new contract would lessen our benefits, mostly our medical. It takes away many future benefits without giving anything back to us. I'm voting no! Rham doesn't want arbitration in election season... let's take advantage, let's stick together.
Retirees just got whacked with a 40% increase in medical premiums
That 40% increase is what the city THINKS the increase will be over the next year. If they do not go that high, the retirees are reimbursed the difference by the city. Ask ANY retiree about it.
This contract is not good.
Ya. But arbitration is worse.
All administrative assignments should be by seniority
If you are talking about desk, watch relief or review, they are bid positions by seniority.
Anonymous said...
Vote no my friends , it's an election year . Every district ,Homan square , area d units academy , headquarters have 100's of office police , if they want armed office police officers , demand seniority .
How about a real shift differential that is pensionable 5% for afternoons , 6% for mid nights , nothing for day shift.
Fop is a joke new cars ? F u , how about seniority , how about NO MErit promotions , every copper has two years of college , can't pass a test , you work a beat car . All administrative assignments should be by seniority .
Vote No , forget retro , we will still get a pay raise , let's not beg for crumbs . How about officer safety , two man cars , document down cars , one man cars , hidden caps officers , expose it to the news media .
Vote NO .
9/13/2014 09:01:00 AM
Vote NO because of the reasons you listed? That would be great but an arbitrator will not be ruling on any of that stuff and he will take a lot more away. Silly
I'm Voting "N" "O", NO!
I think the videos are good and informative. I am voting yes. It is a good contract.
Question is how does Jin Ade get re elected or even consider running. The sergeants overwhelmingly rejected the contract he proposed and the videos showcase how the sergeants got screwed. Why did they negotiate first - everyone told Ade to let FOO, the larger union, go first. But Ade wanted to show how smart he is ha, ha,ha, ha.
We get better raises, we do not need to do wellness and the potential $50 per month and we do not pay 2% until 2017 for healthcare when we retire.
9/13/2014 01:29:00 AM
Correction, a select few officers will pay 2% for health insurance before 2017 and no one after that. Great that the contract benefits only you. Wish it were the same for everyone. New hires included.
No sworn officer should be assigned to district caps office , it should be civilianized at 3/4 the salary . The civilians would actually work an 8 hour day .
Total do no police work assignment .
If it is sworn it should be a bid assignment , not for the cowards and suck ass coppers.
P.O. Randy Stevens, 018th District said...
I watched the videos and read the summary.
I am voting YES for the contract.
The bottom line is this:
If you vote YES, then you believe that the proposed contract, overall, is BETTER than anything we could get later from arbitration.
If you vote NO, then you believe that somehow, as if by magic, the arbitrator will favor us over the City, and give us wonderful things that, in their totality, will end up being a much better contract for us than what is currently up for a vote.
Our general history with contracts settled by arbitration is NOT GOOD. In arbitration, that first year is legally "dead," so you can kiss the 4-percent of raises for the first year goodbye, and those raises, permanently lost if we go to arbitration, are pensionable and extremely important to our future.
I am voting YES. If you decide to vote no, then you are hoping that the future agreement decided by the arbitrator will be better for us, in the end. I believe that such thinking is pure folly.
9/13/2014 12:36:00 PM
What you just said is very true and spot on! There will be no "magic" for us by any arbitrator. We all should know this by now. This is a fair deal and kinda suprising. We will lose our ASS in arbitration. Guaranteed! Watch the video. It's fact.
Anonymous said...
Does anybody know what is meant by advanced degree? This language must be more specific does this mean masters or phd?
9/13/2014 05:03:00 PM
A degree beyond an undergrad degree (bachelors) is an advanced degree. Typically a Masters or PhD; also J.D. (Juris Doctor, law degree), M.D., D.D.S., D.M.D.
Shields fucked up big time and I for one don't want to lose 4% worth of raises compounded over the life of the remainder of my career. Take the fucking deal and quit whining about bullshit like furlough selection by watch and a lousy 2% payment for health insurance at age 55. The private sector would kill for that deal.
9/13/2014 08:49:00 AM
seniority is the only thing left on this job, so let's water that down?! What makes you think it will be 2% by the time you retire? You are naive.
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You do realize that all that money is pensionable and will no longer be contributing to your retirement? Don't be so willing to accept what someone tells you doesn't affect you will not.
9/13/2014 03:10:00 PM
Can anyone decipher what in the world this person is trying to say? Obviously no City funds were expended on tuition reimbursement here. If so, a refund should be sought.
fop what's next , bargaining for replacement flashlight batteries
sergeants voted down contract 900 to 200 and did not get hurt in arbitration
as a 3rd watch officer or first watch officer safety is a concern
cars down , one man units , wagon assigned to beat car and transport , only one supervisor , that means less chance for promotion
end the political merit system
that alone and the safety issue will gain community support
looks like union is in bed with city hall
mickey , yes we miss you , you were set up
Dougherty would have been a better choice , tied election , forced run off election
anyone want to buy the Chicago sky way cheap
Anonymous said...
Big joke! We gave up a lot and got nothing. As far as the money we would have gotten that any way.......
9/13/2014 04:47:00 PM
What did we give up that is so devastating? Holidays, duty availabilty? uniform allowance, increase health premimums? Wellness? No. This is all stuff the city wanted. I think the contract is fair. Could be better, but fair.
To those complaining about the sgt. Union negotiating before FOP, this had to be done because Shields and his crew were more concerned about helping themselves than they were about membership. Not being first to the table, for the first time in history of FOP, was bigger fuck up than retro fuck up. I am shocked that Shields has not has his ass kicked by anyone yet. The amount of damage he did to all of us in 2-plus years is unbelievable.
9/13/2014 01:15:00 PM
Not only has is ass not been kicked yet. Suck holes actually talk to this guy and SHAKE HIS HAND. He walks around the roll call room at 011 VRI like he owns the place. Coppers jumping over each other to partner up with him. This guy has the fucking nerve! to work VRI when all those years he's making tall $$$ with a take home car. There are guys and girls out there who truly need the money. Have some fucking pride for once.
And conveniently left out of his bullshit videos?
THE FATAL FACT OF GIVING UP OUR ABILITY TO SUE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS OF OUR PENSIONS!!!
How convenient it is that putting pension bullshit into our contract under the guise of making it look like it's for "our" benefit somehow doesn't make the cut in video?
The FOP and all other unions have acted in concert to fuck over all their members and are now forming a "coalition" on the subject after knowingly giving away your right to sue the city for violating the pension clause.
Use your fucking heads people:
Your union representatives just signed a contract that clearly states if the city (through legislation passed by the state) violates the pension clause by changing the calculation of your benefits by forcing you to pay more for the same benefit, YOU have agreed that you will BARGAIN as reparation for this illegal act.
This means when or even IF your unions attempt to sue on the subject of pension clause violations the city's defense is that YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED YOU WOULD BARGAIN OR SEEK MEDIATION AS YOUR REMEDY!!
Therefore the courts will summarily throw out every case involving the unilateral increase of your pension contributions because you've already agreed to settle the problem OUT OF COURT.
And WHEN that happens the precedent is set that the pension protection clause can be violated "as long as the parties agree it's OK"
What this means legally is:
The pension clause can be violated.
There IS no provision stating "so long as it's agreed" in the constitution. So when the city's argument switches to "who says the parties have to agree" the case will be over. There IS no protection for "if both parties agree to a violation of the constitution:"
When this is ratified, legislation will be sent to the state to increase your contributions to 11% immediately. This will be passed immediately. Your respective reps will then "reopen" the contract as they have agreed to. They will then get fucked by an arbiter.
And the instance of fucking the pension clause and not getting relief will have been established and within the same year you will see pension cuts to current retirees and the loophole created by YOUR unions will be the out they need along with the precedent case law created by it to forever destroy your pensions via constitutional violations of the pension clause.
Congratulate yourselves and your unions. THIS was the only goal of this contract. All else contained within it means nothing.
9/13/2014 08:33:00 AM
Thank you for breaking this down. Unfortunate this is not a full post rather than a sensible comment. Officers need to understand this.
You do realize that all that money is pensionable and will no longer be contributing to your retirement? Don't be so willing to accept what someone tells you doesn't affect you will not.
9/13/2014 03:10:00 PM
Can anyone decipher what in the world this person is trying to say? Obviously no City funds were expended on tuition reimbursement here. If so, a refund should be sought.
How could we possibly know. I don't think the guy that wrote knows what he wrote.
Wow Does anyone out their no how to be a man anymore. Bunch of sell outs. What do you teach your kids about standing up for what's right. Vote no. Cooter said
A few quick points why I and everyone I know will be voting NO. This is referencing the literature FLOP posted on their website:
Section 2 - Wages, Section D. "Pension Legislation Reopener":
says the Lodge "can" reopen the Agreement and renegotiate salary, percentage increases and duty availability pay. Doesn't say they "WILL" or that they "HAVE TO". If/when we wind up exceeding 9% of our pay for our pension, watch for them (FLOP) to say something along the lines of "the city ain't gonna budge and it ain't worth fighting/going to arbitration".
THE PENSION IS A STATE ISSUE AND SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN ANYTHING RELATED TO THE CITY / OUR CONTRACT.
Section 3 - Duty Availability Allowance
The fact that they want to keep new hires after 01 Jan 15 from duty availability pay for 3 1/2 years is total bullshit. These kids are the first ones to have to be 'available' for the worst of assignments via reverse seniority. They do the same job we all do, they shouldn't have to lose this perk. PLUS THIS IS PENSIONABLE, SO THIS 'TEMPORARY' LOSS ACTUALLY EQUATES TO MUCH MORE THAN APPROX $10K.
Section 10 - Time Due
States in part: "Accordingly, for officers assigned to District Law Enforcement" and "approval of which shall not be unreasonably denied".
A) This language suggests that people in units and detectives won't have any recourse when denied the use of elective time
B) Define "unreasonably" until the "minimum set percentage" of officers allowed off on any given day is established
Section 11 - Police Department Vehicles
Should have NEVER been a contract proposal since the employer has to provide us with the tools necessary to do our jobs. Says city "intends" to purchase 400 cars by years end and an average of 200 for each additional year of contract. Also says how city and FLOP will form a committee regarding repair, maintainance and mandatory retirement of vehicles.
A) Are there repercussions if they DON'T buy those cars? "Intends" is doublespeak for "NOT mandated".
B) How about ensuring any new cars bought first go to PATROL AT THE DISTRICT LEVEL. NO UNITS, HOUSE MICE OR BOSSES GETTING THE NEW CARS WHILE WE GET HAND-ME-DOWNS.
Oh yeah, the 11 percent over 5 years is an insult. Especially since, by Rahm and Garry's own repeated admission, crime is at record lows across the board (sans agg batts with firearms). You can't justify paying teachers, streets and sanitation folks and every city labor union employee from window washer to painter a higher percentage in wage increases than first responders.
Why the hell would anyone vote no to this "decent" contract just to send it to some pro-city arbitrator who will take another 12-18 months just to give us the same deal or worse? One thing forsure will not be on the table is ALL retro for the first year. It's law. They already ruled on it. Vote yes!
Retirees just got whacked with a 40% increase in medical premiums
That 40% increase is what the city THINKS the increase will be over the next year. If they do not go that high, the retirees are reimbursed the difference by the city. Ask ANY retiree about it.
9/13/2014 05:30:00 PM
As a 7 year retiree I can say you are 100% right about how it works.
Every year the city over estimates to protect themselves and each year I have received a refund. I dont see anything wrong with that because if they under estimate the cost at the end of the year you would be owing them money. If they didnt charge you they would add the difference on to your next years premium. And the BS about the interest the earn is BS to the individual. At current rates interest on say 2000 for the year is chump change,you couldnt buy at cup of coffee.
City has to do it this way because they are self insured and have no way of knowing the yearly cost. If they had an insurance company handling the healthcare the monthly or yearly premium rates would be known.
2. we will be the only union in the city NOT in the city's wellness program. That alone will save you more in the first year of the contract than the lost OT on overtime.
Hey no it all, we are not in the same insurance (LMCC) because Dougherty kept us out of it, Almost every meeting he would explain that joining the LMCC would be giving up your bargaining rights. Our last contract that went to arbitration the arbitrator ruled that Fop could join but we couldn't be forced. Read about it, its on the Fop website under arbitrations. Dean is trying to scare us into thinking if we went to arbitration we would be forced into this. Not true, its already gone to arbitration.
Good god, contract after contarct it never fails to amaze me that the most important item for too many officers is the RETRO! are you guys that short sighted and easily bought off with the promise of some new rims for your hoopdie that you would completely gloss over the biggest issue that their trying to slide thru concerns the pension? And it seems too many of us are willing to throw the new guys under the bus with what they will not get. Remember, we all came on with zero in the seniority column. Keep the retro, I dont need it, and if you need it that bad then find someone to better manage your finances. 30 years on and voting NO!
To the ones unhappy about furl by watch, which is myself....do you really think an arbitrator will deny the city that? hell no! he will give them that without a doubt because they will argue "manpower." It's reasonable. I just don't want to throw away everything on one issue that I feel we will lose anyway. Voting yes.
Less than 5 years on the job and I will vote no .
Not worried about retro , worried about being in district patrol my entire career without enough manpower .
No clout so without seniority I will never get an inside office job . Vote No , take a chance with arbitration .
Remember a few years ago when the city cried the economy was bad and the could not give us a substantial rasie? Well guess what the economy is better now at least that's what's the media says. So where is our real raise? It should be at least 3% a year for five years. For two years we get a whopping 1% increase each year. Seriously that's pathetic
Take a good look at those PPO insurance plans as well tier 1 and tier two, we will be paying more for health insurance without a doubt
But hey our 1% raise will cover it!
Did look at difference between current PPO and Tier 1 with subscriber plan
Individual deductible $350 to $300
Individual out of pocket 1500 to 1000
Family deductible 1050 to 900
Family out of pocket $3000 to $2000
Some things did go down
Why not allow police officers to become EMT's and receive a 7% pay raise that is pensionable . We always beat cfd /EMT's to the scene . Five fireman show up , anything more than a band aid and they request an ambulance .
Give a copper an advanced first aid kit , blood pressure tester and we can do the same , we are on the scene anyway doing nada .
I sit and read this blog and I am embarrassed. Embarrassed because as the police we can not stand together. Why is it that we have to worry both about the criminal and the person sitting next to us in a squad car. I have 27 years on this job and have grown to see it's not the politicians or union that fucks us we fuck ourselves. We don't stand united but divided. It's everyone out for themselves hurray for me and fuck you. Disgusting absolutely disgusting. Our union is no different from City hall it's politics at it's best instead of looking out for the members best interest they worry about themselves and how they can make nice with the politicians for their own benefit and the future of their family and friends.
40% increase for retiree health while he welcomes thousands of illegal alien kids to the Sanctuary City for freebies for life.
Do not help Emanuel.
Lets go to arbitration.
40% increase in retiree healthcare has nothing to do with arbitration.
Totally controlled by a court case that dates back to 1987 the Korshak case in which Mayor Harold Washington wanted to totally eliminate retiree healthcare
Below link is an explanation
http://www.krislovlaw.com/new-cases-investigations/city-of-chicago-v-korshak-retiree-healthcare-litigation/
Anonymous said...
P.O. Randy Stevens, 018th District said...
I watched the videos and read the summary.
I am voting YES for the contract.
The bottom line is this:
If you vote YES, then you believe that the proposed contract, overall, is BETTER than anything we could get later from arbitration.
If you vote NO, then you believe that somehow, as if by magic, the arbitrator will favor us over the City, and give us wonderful things that, in their totality, will end up being a much better contract for us than what is currently up for a vote.
Our general history with contracts settled by arbitration is NOT GOOD. In arbitration, that first year is legally "dead," so you can kiss the 4-percent of raises for the first year goodbye, and those raises, permanently lost if we go to arbitration, are pensionable and extremely important to our future.
I am voting YES. If you decide to vote no, then you are hoping that the future agreement decided by the arbitrator will be better for us, in the end. I believe that such thinking is pure folly.
9/13/2014 12:36:00 PM
Agreed! And without a doubt the arbitrator will give the city furl by watch anyway. It's reasonable and the city will argue manpower. We will just waste time and still lose.
Look at that clause regarding the pension reopener "If the state legislature changes the contribution" that is the city's open end to change the whole. Pension in the future. That whole Claus should be stricken from the contract.
Remember just 3.00 a okay check for your health insurance?
I'm voting yes. It's not a bad contract and honestly didn't think we would do this well. If we go to arbitration, we can only do worse.
I have to vote no. The retro does not make up for the giving up of tuition reimbursement benefits, the having to use mail delivery for long term prescriptions and the 2 percent for retiree health care. While it does not affect me I do not like the pushing back of duty availability for new hires. It's wrong to screw new hires to benefit those already on the job. I appreciate the position Dean was put in due to Shields screw up but I will roll the dice with arbitration.
Check Out Illinois Fop labor Council website. All of the police arbitrations and contract negotiations are getting at least 2 1/2 to 3% a year and retro. Come together and vote no send Rahm a message an arbitrator will give us the raise we deserve.Vote NO!
Yup Im voting no just to piss Rahm off. Who the hell can tell me that I cant go to a hospital in my own community??? Fuckin politicians make me sick. Tar and feather each one of those assholes.
This is why I am voting NO
3. The current PPO plan has an officer paying out a maximum of 10% , but with this tier system if a officer does not go to a tier one hospital it can cost up to 40% more out of their pocket. To me this is unexpectable.
I have seen very little video footage or anything else that could/would change my mind about the contract. I have 24+years on the job and what I DON'T understand is WHY are we selling the recruits out for overtime retro?
To all the nitwits that vote no because the city gives free shit away to all the do nothing fucks in this city do you really think the arbitrator will use that as a consideration when he doesn't give us shit. Wake up not of that matters.
Frannnie Spielman had her panties puffed about how this so called contract resolution was a pre-election feather in Rahm's cap.
Now she dutifully bleats about our retirees getting socked with staggering medical insurance increases.
Damn but she should have a sore ass from straddling the fence...
Adios...Illinois tax revenue..
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Heartland, based in Downers Grove, Illinois, owns about 330 Burger King locations in eight Midwestern states. Last month, Carrols Restaurant Group Inc., the largest Burger King franchisee, said it was buying 64 of Heartland’s restaurants in Tennessee, Indiana and Illinois for about $18 million. Heartland has reported annual sales of more than $420 million, according to its website.
9/13/2014 11:22:00 AM
Isn't BK one of the companies doing an inversion?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Anybody who votes yes for this contract is a stooge and completely blind. Look at the details Attaching vehicles and time due percentages to a contract is a bad presidence.
What are the finer details on what determines time due? What's the percentage , how do we determine staffing levels for each district and give them a percentage? We are going to get f'd.
Don't just vote on the money
Vote no
9/13/2014 02:30:00 AM
I work for money. I don't work for Rahm. I don't work to screw Rahm. Personally, I don't ever think about Rahm and I could care less if Rahm is mayor forever or if he dies tomorrow.
Pension is state law, not part of our contract.
Vote yes or get less.
9/13/2014 09:26:00 AM
At some point they have to buy vehicles. If they don't I have no problem sitting in the station all night reading a book. Not worried about that. Vote yes.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
9/13/2014 03:35:00 AM
Greetings to you, you pencil-necked, weak-kneed coward. Frankly, in my many decades on this Earth, having seen so much, I still find it amazing that there are so many clammy-faced, pinheaded, malignant cancers like you.
What have you gained by posting this pointless rumor?
On a subject about contracts? Are you stupid or just a low-life scumbag?
You are not the police. You are either one of Rahm's foot-licking stooges or a member of the whiny, clueless media.
If God forbid you have a star and blue uniform, be advised that you are not the police. You are a petty, spineless impostor unworthy of notice, even from the rats gnawing at the garbage cans in the alley.
There is a legless, wormlike lizard with tiny eyes that is almost completely blind - called a Blindworm. Whoever you are, where ever you go, that is what people see when they look at you.
Slime on, Blindworm.
9/13/2014 11:05:00 AM
rumor true. IAD in 019 copying video. Ask around. It happened.
To all you cry babies out there go take a walk. Vote no on this contract and you will get nothing when it goes to arbitration. Then you'll bitch again, why didn't the union do this or that, blah, blah blah. Is this the best contract we could've gotten? NO but we can't get everything in our favor,that's life. When you sit down at the table it's about NEGOTIATION. You give us this, we give you that, you pay for this, we pay for that. It's how it works boys and girls. The mayor got things in this contract that he didn't want I can assure you of that. Educate yourself then VOTE. Vote yes or no but educate yourself first. Don't listen to a bunch of blow hards on a blog.
9/13/2014 11:55:00 AM
Enlighten this blowhard. What did the City get that they didn't want? What did they give up that was significant? Educate us.
I am voting YES.
Thank you FOP for all the hard work during the negotiations.
Okay Claire.
40% my A$$! I retired out of state. Just got my package from Finance in the mail. My rate for BC/BS is going up over 100%! 40% is the minimum it will go up if you live in state and take the PPO plan with the least amount of coverage and the highest deductable.
If you vote for that contract with a provision that surrenders your Constitutionally protected pension benefits you are all fools.
Retirees like me still have a chance as there are lawsuits in progress which may reverse Rahm's increases. But if you vote to allow the city to circumvent the Constitution of Illinois for your pension rights as it appears in that contract, you will all be screwed forever.
"21. Work Day and Work Week
Amend Section 20.1 to clarify that an officer’s normal work day and work week is no longer 8 hours and 40 hours, respectively."
Does this mean all officers in 018 are now eligible to work the EVT™ 4.5/22.5 schedule?
I'm voting no for the same reason my dog licks his balls.
Shields fucked up big time and I for one don't want to lose 4% worth of raises compounded over the life of the remainder of my career. Take the fucking deal and quit whining about bullshit like furlough selection by watch and a lousy 2% payment for health insurance at age 55. The private sector would kill for that deal.
9/13/2014 08:49:00 AM
seniority is the only thing left on this job, so let's water that down?! What makes you think it will be 2% by the time you retire? You are naive.
9/13/2014 06:26:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I agree but the problem originated with the first union that even put that on the table...fuckin morons. The arbitrator would likely give that to the city if it goes that route
The FOP bargained for 500 new vehicles.
fucking ridiculous...
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Funny thing is the city bought 200 new cars a few months ago. Just waiting to take delivery.
Nice work!
"Your union representatives just signed a contract that clearly states if the city (through legislation passed by the state) violates the pension clause by changing the calculation of your benefits by forcing you to pay more for the same benefit, YOU have agreed that you will BARGAIN as reparation for this illegal act.
This means when or even IF your unions attempt to sue on the subject of pension clause violations the city's defense is that YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED YOU WOULD BARGAIN OR SEEK MEDIATION AS YOUR REMEDY!!"
ABSOLUTELY!! The only reason this language is in the contract is because Rahm knows the city will lose the current lawsuits and the city will not be able to curb pension benefits for current retirees as they are protected by the State Constitution. The city will eventually have to return or credit any increases they are now demanding.
If you vote for this contract you will be surrendering those constitutional protections.
DON'T BE FOOLISH!
Again, I'm posting in defense of the recruits. I have NO ONE coming on the job (CPD)!!!!!
Which one of you would sign up for this job today??
I'm totally ashamed that YOU's are not sticking up for them!!!! Wake up and stop letting THEM control US
If you can bargain for vehicles, you can bargain for the pension.
Teach this little jagoff a lesson and vote NO. I think Rahm can look a little harder for more money and benefits. Look at all the money he just saved by fucking all of the retired guys.
Per usual. It's not going to be those who vote yes or no. Rather those who don't vote. Usually the ones who bitch the most - plus as far as duty av. goes - don't shut out new cops. But definitely pro rate it for those on the street - vs. inside etc. I think mids should get more than days. Inside people get less. Plus if u on medical. - you are not available - less $$.
9/13/2014 12:14:00 AM
Hate to give up anything,but this doesn't seem to be a big deal. After 3 retail purchases its cheaper to go thru the mail order and even easier. Why go monthly when you get three months of medication for less money. A simple phone call, on line or in the mail gives you a three month refill.
If you have 2 long term prescriptions, mail order is better for the above reasons. Why go to Walgreens every month.
9/13/2014 11:41:00 AM
The mail order service is through CVS only and they suck. I used mail order for my 90 day supplies when it was through Walgreens home care, they were fine. Then the city switched to CVS and I had to deal with some cracker in Florida for my prescriptions and they suck.
You have to follow the prescription dispensing rules of Florida. One of my meds is Schedule III Controlled Substance. Florida's rules are different. I can only get one refill per Florida law. Then they demand a new prescription and their fax prescription system is fucked up.
My doctor has to fax the prescription to CVS 4 or 5 times and they claim they didn't get it. I always ended up having to make another appointment, getting a paper prescription and mailing it to Florida. Then they send me letters denying the faxed prescriptions they claim they never received.
It takes at least a month to get a refill with their bullshit system via Florida. CVS sucks, so I go to Walgreens and get it at the prescription window. Fuck CVS.
And conveniently left out of his bullshit videos?
THE FATAL FACT OF GIVING UP OUR ABILITY TO SUE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS OF OUR PENSIONS!!!
How convenient it is that putting pension bullshit into our contract under the guise of making it look like it's for "our" benefit somehow doesn't make the cut in video?
The FOP and all other unions have acted in concert to fuck over all their members and are now forming a "coalition" on the subject after knowingly giving away your right to sue the city for violating the pension clause.
Use your fucking heads people:
Your union representatives just signed a contract that clearly states if the city (through legislation passed by the state) violates the pension clause by changing the calculation of your benefits by forcing you to pay more for the same benefit, YOU have agreed that you will BARGAIN as reparation for this illegal act.
This means when or even IF your unions attempt to sue on the subject of pension clause violations the city's defense is that YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED YOU WOULD BARGAIN OR SEEK MEDIATION AS YOUR REMEDY!!
Therefore the courts will summarily throw out every case involving the unilateral increase of your pension contributions because you've already agreed to settle the problem OUT OF COURT.
And WHEN that happens the precedent is set that the pension protection clause can be violated "as long as the parties agree it's OK"
What this means legally is:
The pension clause can be violated.
There IS no provision stating "so long as it's agreed" in the constitution. So when the city's argument switches to "who says the parties have to agree" the case will be over. There IS no protection for "if both parties agree to a violation of the constitution:"
When this is ratified, legislation will be sent to the state to increase your contributions to 11% immediately. This will be passed immediately. Your respective reps will then "reopen" the contract as they have agreed to. They will then get fucked by an arbiter.
And the instance of fucking the pension clause and not getting relief will have been established and within the same year you will see pension cuts to current retirees and the loophole created by YOUR unions will be the out they need along with the precedent case law created by it to forever destroy your pensions via constitutional violations of the pension clause.
Congratulate yourselves and your unions. THIS was the only goal of this contract. All else contained within it means nothing.
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THIS is 100% spot on. This alone is why the CONTRACT SHOULD BE VOTED DOWN. This man knows the real rub and all you clowns focused soley on a Goddamned retro check need to snap into reality.
You do realize that all that money is pensionable and will no longer be contributing to your retirement? Don't be so willing to accept what someone tells you doesn't affect you will not.
9/13/2014 03:10:00 PM
Can anyone decipher what in the world this person is trying to say? Obviously no City funds were expended on tuition reimbursement here. If so, a refund should be sought.
The comment had nothing to do with tuition reimbursement, it had to do with duty availability. Duty availability is pensionable because we fought for it, now we're giving up duty availability to those with less than four years leaving even less money headed towards the pension find. Try to follow along.
Anonymous said...
did fire give up duty for new hires not hating just wondering why we would?
9/13/2014 05:37:00 AM
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They already gave that away. What we get stuck with is what they already got
seniority is the only thing left on this job, so let's water that down?! What makes you think it will be 2% by the time you retire? You are naive.
9/13/2014 06:26:00 PM
And you're naive if you think an arbitrator is going to give us a better deal.
Thank you to the 19th district police officers for your courtesy tonight from a brother in blue. Looked like you guys were busy with the parking for the concert tonight at Wrigley Field but you squeezed me in. Thanks again from a suburban officer.
Anonymous said...
Check Out Illinois Fop labor Council website. All of the police arbitrations and contract negotiations are getting at least 2 1/2 to 3% a year and retro. Come together and vote no send Rahm a message an arbitrator will give us the raise we deserve. Vote NO!
9/13/2014 12:24:00 PM
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1. What part of the first 4% and retro for that time period are gone if we go to arbitration don't you goofs not understand?
2. If we go to arbitration only about four or five issues will go to him.
I do not like the contract but there is not one issue we will win at arbitration.
A raise in the first year is dead thanks to shields and Dougherty et. al.
B. the 2% for health care is postponed until 6/17. Thank Sgt. Ade and all of the other public safety unions for that. The sergeants lost at arbitration. Find ONE case where the arbitrator over ruled a different decision by another arbitrator.
C. Reopener - first the goofs in Springfield want you to pay 2% each pay day for the pension contribution then we get to reopen the contract and go to arbitration and ask for a 2% raise.
HEY SCC:
Are you going to address the FOI request from the tribune which will name 1300+ coppers that have recieved 11 or more CR#'S since 2006-to 2014??? doesnt our contract say the Nonsustained Unfounded CRs are removed after 7 years???
Show unity! Just the threat of arbitration will show Rham that we are strong and we are many. The sergeants turned their's down and got better. Remember the teachers stood their ground and got a better deal. Vote it down! Stick together!
Anonymous said...
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station.
9/13/2014 03:35:00 AM
I hear it's in the basement of The Alamo!
This contract gives us nothing but takes away much. Can someone explain to me how we will lose more if we go to arbitration?
Retire after 2017 pay 2% but the arbitrator will make us pay more or start earlier like 2015?
Duty availability 4.5 years.... the arbitrator will take it away from everybody?
No retro but the remaining raises will be reduced even more? to what? no raise? or 1% a year?
Furlo's by watch? The arbitrator will take away seniority completely? Management gets to choose everything?
These are just questions. They way things are continuing we will have nothing in a decade or less
I am voting YES. If you decide to vote no, then you are hoping that the future agreement decided by the arbitrator will be better for us, in the end. I believe that such thinking is pure folly.
9/13/2014 12:36:00 PM
What you just said is very true and spot on! There will be no "magic" for us by any arbitrator. We all should know this by now. This is a fair deal and kinda suprising. We will lose our ASS in arbitration. Guaranteed! Watch the video. It's fact.
9/13/2014 06:20:00 PM
I agree. Going to arbitration would mean losing 400 new cars city-wide by the end of this year ALONE. With less than four months until I retire, that's a risk I'm not prepared to take.
Voting 110% yes don't want arbitration and to lose, this is the best we will get,as soon as ballot comes will vote yes get it in to be counted! Anyone have a list of tier1 2 3 hospitals? Btw I'm in an HMO have a good doctor connected with Christ hospital get all the tests I need, will stay with HMO good plan, 20 out of pocket no bills at all,and with HMO you stay with your hospital, yes you need referrals but so does ppo plan! Kids needed shots etc just paid 20 total done!
This contract sucks. And why do people think going to arbitration will be a bad thing? How do we know for certain that it will be bad? Or good? All i know is that i don't like this contract, it's horrific. I will take the chance with an arbitrator who will have rules to abide by in making the decision. The city is low balling us because it is a negotiating process. I believe we can get more.
Anonymous said...
Retirees just got whacked with a 40% increase in medical premiums while Tiny Dancer is welcoming, with open arms, hundreds of 'unaccompanied minors', each of which will be receive the finest health care upon their arrival and for the duration of their stay.
Fuck Rahm.
Fuck the bought and paid for FOP.
Fuck this contract.
9/13/2014 03:20:00 AM
Doesn't apply to retired police.
9/13/2014 08:58:00 AM
Original poster here. My point was that Rahm has money for anything BUT the people that make this city function. Too bad that FOP is in lockstep with 9.5 and selling us all out. Say what you want about Shields, but he tried sounding the alarm of how things really work in this city and he was quickly silenced. Fuck that whole gentlemen's agreement about not negotiating in the press. How hard would it be for Dean and the rest of the worthless hacks on Washington to take out full page ads in the big papers and list the 100s of millions spent or earmarked for pet projects while teachers and first responders continually get shafted contract after contract after contract? It wouldn't be hard at all, but deals have been made no doubt, and those with silver linings sure as hell won't upset the apple cart. Again, not the biggest fan of Shields, but he was right on with taking it to the mayor by having billboards and buses covered with contract/manpower stats. Thats just one of the reasons the old regime got thier marching orders to orchestrate "the letter".
ANyway, NOW"S the time to make a stand and tell that prick Rahm to shove his offering up his ass. We've got a ton more to lose by accepting this contract than by rolling the dice in arbitration.
VOTE NO VOTE NO VOTE NO
Arbitration is worse for us.
Economy sucks. Regular joe doesn't get a fraction of what we have. Bad time to go to arbitration. Really there never is a good time.
Healthcare sucks for everyone except politicians and rich people.
OUTFUCKINGSTANDING:
fop what's next , bargaining for replacement flashlight batteries
sergeants voted down contract 900 to 200 and did not get hurt in arbitration
as a 3rd watch officer or first watch officer safety is a concern
cars down , one man units , wagon assigned to beat car and transport , only one supervisor , that means less chance for promotion
end the political merit system
that alone and the safety issue will gain community support
looks like union is in bed with city hall
mickey , yes we miss you , you were set up
Dougherty would have been a better choice , tied election , forced run off election
anyone want to buy the Chicago sky way cheap
OT to that 018th FTO at lake and western ...your an example of what's wrong with this dept now. The officer is the victim not the offender. Asshole
Anonymous said...
copper in 019 caught on camera stealing bike out of station
I'm sure he was going to bring it back.
9/13/2014 09:29:00 AM
The next contract should require the city to buy 500 bikes for the officers.
I could never look myself in the mirror if I voted anything but NO!
Good job Dad!
D.A. Jr.
at first i thought vote yes. then I read the actual deal. I wanted to fall for some of the selfish incentives like 1st year retro and the furlo thing doesn't kick in till 2016.... I didn't watch the videos. 500 cars? How about 500 officers hired. If the Mayor is on board then it has to be a bad deal. teachers could strike, we cant. we are dangerously short. write no contact cards/anovs/tickets etc .....to hell with your mission teams. I changed my mind. time due should not be denied. hire guys back for district vri if you won't hire the proper force. hold out till mayor doesn't get reelected was my first plan and gut instinct before they came up with this deal. lets hold out and fight. change is near.
Retirees get whacked with 40% raise vote no fuck rham send the little prick a message and where the fuck was our "UNION"??
Vote NO!
Read between the lines.
Are vote should include choices of items to accept and not agree on. And only not agreeable things be arbitrated.
And conveniently left out of his bullshit videos?
THE FATAL FACT OF GIVING UP OUR ABILITY TO SUE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS OF OUR PENSIONS!!!
How convenient it is that putting pension bullshit into our contract under the guise of making it look like it's for "our" benefit somehow doesn't make the cut in video?
The FOP and all other unions have acted in concert to fuck over all their members and are now forming a "coalition" on the subject after knowingly giving away your right to sue the city for violating the pension clause.
Use your fucking heads people:
Your union representatives just signed a contract that clearly states if the city (through legislation passed by the state) violates the pension clause by changing the calculation of your benefits by forcing you to pay more for the same benefit, YOU have agreed that you will BARGAIN as reparation for this illegal act.
This means when or even IF your unions attempt to sue on the subject of pension clause violations the city's defense is that YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED YOU WOULD BARGAIN OR SEEK MEDIATION AS YOUR REMEDY!!
Therefore the courts will summarily throw out every case involving the unilateral increase of your pension contributions because you've already agreed to settle the problem OUT OF COURT.
And WHEN that happens the precedent is set that the pension protection clause can be violated "as long as the parties agree it's OK"
What this means legally is:
The pension clause can be violated.
There IS no provision stating "so long as it's agreed" in the constitution. So when the city's argument switches to "who says the parties have to agree" the case will be over. There IS no protection for "if both parties agree to a violation of the constitution:"
When this is ratified, legislation will be sent to the state to increase your contributions to 11% immediately. This will be passed immediately. Your respective reps will then "reopen" the contract as they have agreed to. They will then get fucked by an arbiter.
And the instance of fucking the pension clause and not getting relief will have been established and within the same year you will see pension cuts to current retirees and the loophole created by YOUR unions will be the out they need along with the precedent case law created by it to forever destroy your pensions via constitutional violations of the pension clause.
Congratulate yourselves and your unions. THIS was the only goal of this contract. All else contained within it means nothing.
This is true. Vote no!
If contract ends in 2017 why is health care beyond then in there.
Furlo extensions need to be addressed. Since the language in contract doesn't jive with our work schedule. Also no where does it say bfds are only 8hrs and vacation days are only 8hrs. When we work an 8.5hr day. Vote NO!
Congratulate yourselves and your unions. THIS [pension clause] was the only goal of this contract. All else contained within it means nothing.
No truer words have been spoken. The rest is all smoke and mirrors, and literal chump change compared to the golden ticket they really want.
"Look over here while we steal over there."
When you max out at 29 years and one day, you should recieve the health care benefit that some of our brothers and sisters recieve after only 20 years, just because they came on the job at a older age. I am voting NO!!!!!
Anonymous said...
And conveniently left out of his bullshit videos?
THE FATAL FACT OF GIVING UP OUR ABILITY TO SUE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS OF OUR PENSIONS!!!
How convenient it is that putting pension bullshit into our contract under the guise of making it look like it's for "our" benefit somehow doesn't make the cut in video?
The FOP and all other unions have acted in concert to fuck over all their members and are now forming a "coalition" on the subject after knowingly giving away your right to sue the city for violating the pension clause.
Use your fucking heads people:
Your union representatives just signed a contract that clearly states if the city (through legislation passed by the state) violates the pension clause by changing the calculation of your benefits by forcing you to pay more for the same benefit, YOU have agreed that you will BARGAIN as reparation for this illegal act.
This means when or even IF your unions attempt to sue on the subject of pension clause violations the city's defense is that YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED YOU WOULD BARGAIN OR SEEK MEDIATION AS YOUR REMEDY!!
Therefore the courts will summarily throw out every case involving the unilateral increase of your pension contributions because you've already agreed to settle the problem OUT OF COURT.
And WHEN that happens the precedent is set that the pension protection clause can be violated "as long as the parties agree it's OK"
What this means legally is:
The pension clause can be violated.
There IS no provision stating "so long as it's agreed" in the constitution. So when the city's argument switches to "who says the parties have to agree" the case will be over. There IS no protection for "if both parties agree to a violation of the constitution:"
When this is ratified, legislation will be sent to the state to increase your contributions to 11% immediately. This will be passed immediately. Your respective reps will then "reopen" the contract as they have agreed to. They will then get fucked by an arbiter.
And the instance of fucking the pension clause and not getting relief will have been established and within the same year you will see pension cuts to current retirees and the loophole created by YOUR unions will be the out they need along with the precedent case law created by it to forever destroy your pensions via constitutional violations of the pension clause.
Congratulate yourselves and your unions. THIS was the only goal of this contract. All else contained within it means nothing.
This is true. Vote no!
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Give that man a cigar!
Right on the money.
Do not approve this contract just to get the paltry retro pay.
Vote NO.
TAXI! said...
I am voting YES. If you decide to vote no, then you are hoping that the future agreement decided by the arbitrator will be better for us, in the end. I believe that such thinking is pure folly.
9/13/2014 12:36:00 PM
What you just said is very true and spot on! There will be no "magic" for us by any arbitrator. We all should know this by now. This is a fair deal and kinda suprising. We will lose our ASS in arbitration. Guaranteed! Watch the video. It's fact.
9/13/2014 06:20:00 PM
I agree. Going to arbitration would mean losing 400 new cars city-wide by the end of this year ALONE. With less than four months until I retire, that's a risk I'm not prepared to take.
9/13/2014 10:46:00 PM
This is the most important issue to you? Not the giving away of your pension rights?
So you think that you'll actually get one of the new cars?
With 4 months to go, you haven't learned much in your time on the job,have you?
If we vote no and loose the first 4% that's nothing compared to what we would loose when Rahm is allowed to get into our pensions. Those who vote yes are just shooting every one in the wallet. I'm voting NO! Rahm can take his 4% (30 pieces of silver) and shove them up his ass.
Anonymous said...
Vote NO!
Read between the lines.
9/14/2014 02:40:00 AM
How about this, since I vote in every union election and have since date of appointment and also vote in every election, municipal, county, state and national and have since 1972 I guess I am intelligent enough to also vote for a contract, this my last.
I will vote any damn way I want to and it is no one's business. You all do the same and we'll be just fine.
he pension clause can be violated.
There IS no provision stating "so long as it's agreed" in the constitution. So when the city's argument switches to "who says the parties have to agree" the case will be over. There IS no protection for "if both parties agree to a violation of the constitution:"
When this is ratified, legislation will be sent to the state to increase your contributions to 11% immediately. This will be passed immediately. Your respective reps will then "reopen" the contract as they have agreed to. They will then get fucked by an arbiter.
And the instance of fucking the pension clause and not getting relief will have been established and within the same year you will see pension cuts to current retirees and the loophole created by YOUR unions will be the out they need along with the precedent case law created by it to forever destroy your pensions via constitutional violations of the pension clause.
Congratulate yourselves and your unions. THIS was the only goal of this contract. All else contained within it means nothing.
Funny...Brock Merck said the exact thing at the unit rep meeting and the labor attorney spent 20 minutes explaining how untrue and dangerous the above statement is. Brock...stop intentionally misleading the membership to further your misguided political agenda. Ask any labor attorney(which I did) and he will tell you the language in the contract does not affect the ability the Pursue legislation or sue in court.
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