Secret Recordings Jeopardize Prosecution
- Attorneys for a man charged with shooting a Chicago police officer in 2012 dropped another potential bombshell Friday: the existence of a recording that could contradict the sworn testimony of a Cook County prosecutor.
The disclosure further raises the chances that the judge hearing the case could throw out the arrest of Paris Sadler, who is charged with the attempted murder of Officer Del Pearson, Sadler's attorneys said.
The defense disclosed at a court hearing Friday that they had just learned that Sadler's mother, using her iPad, had secretly recorded video and audio of an approximately 30-minute interview of her by prosecutors a day after Pearson's shooting.
This would be a complete cluster-fuck of immense proportions.
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
64 Comments:
Okay, what is with all the 'secret' recordings? Why aren't the people who ILLEGALLY record any number of things (including that Paula person involved with Clinton) not prosecuted?
Why do we even have privacy laws or recording laws when no one follows them or prosecutes those who break the laws?
eavesdropping case on Momma?
Honesty is always the best policy.
Perjury, Smergery. The only thing that matters is that the scumbag gets off. If the DA caves, the defense attorney will forget everything, and will not file a bar complaint either.
A little perjury is like a little pregnant. You are FUCKED!
Do not do this!
Assume you are always being recorded, and act accordingly.
But if you secretly recorded someone without their permission you'd be sued.
Hate to tell you but this has happened before. There were two cops from ocd shot in 5 about 3 years ago. The offender was caught and admitted to shooting the cops and still was found not guilty.
Cook County, what can you say?
Del should be grateful he is alive. The only victory that matters.
The department will be changing their performance evaluation system on Jan 1st. The new system will give points for various activity and paperwork completed. The points will be added together at the end of the year and divided by the days worked. This will not be used for discipline or counseling but will give the department a more accurate count of who is staying busy. Example: case reports 1 point, misd arrest 4 points, felony arrest 8 points, contact card 2 points, etc. This will get rid of favoritism during the evaluation process which the brass has seen while reviewing the old system.
Here we go again.
Mom recorded the conversation without the knowledge and consent of all parties?
That's felony eavesdropping.
Another shooting on the Kennedy.
Mom's secret recording is inadmissible as evidence in any kind of hearing or court procedure because it was obtained in violation of the eavesdropping statute.
The eavesdropping law in Illinois is meant to protect the political class. Do you really think that Madigan and his circle would be so willing to cut deals behind closed doors if the potential existed for a hidden recorder? If this official lied then they should play the tape nd give the recorder immunity from the harsh law. All of the bad stories that you read about that were exposed by hidden recorders cannot happen in Illinois.Time to expose the corrupt public officials
An officer took a 1 day suspension for leaving anow empty bag of food in a VRI car.
Good luck to all on part 2 of Lts. Exam today. Hopefully some good new leaders emerge from this group. Lord knows we need them. How about a thread on this SCC????
Excuse me for the dumb blonde question, but isn't that illegal?
--No Cop Here
So what? The recording documents the mother's interview not the killer's statement.
So you have to register with the Chicago tribune to read the stories on their website??? Can't pull the story up without registering. BS
Yea the states gotten into the bad habit of going to witnesses house to conduct interviews. So what is the juice. It can only be a bombshell if the states attorney did some off the wall shit.
Official misconduct?
False prosecution?
Lying under oath?
And Anita Alvarez is in for a big election Too?
Watch out everyone Anita will do whatever to garner vote even throw an attorney under the bus.
The department will be changing their performance evaluation system on Jan 1st. The new system will give points for various activity and paperwork completed. The points will be added together at the end of the year and divided by the days worked. This will not be used for discipline or counseling but will give the department a more accurate count of who is staying busy. Example: case reports 1 point, misd arrest 4 points, felony arrest 8 points, contact card 2 points, etc. This will get rid of favoritism during the evaluation process which the brass has seen while reviewing the old system.
8/29/2015 06:31:00 AM
Quit playin'
"The department will be changing their performance evaluation system on Jan 1st. The new system will give points for various activity and paperwork completed. The points will be added together at the end of the year and divided by the days worked. This will not be used for discipline or counseling but will give the department a more accurate count of who is staying busy. Example: case reports 1 point, misd arrest 4 points, felony arrest 8 points, contact card 2 points, etc. This will get rid of favoritism during the evaluation process which the brass has seen while reviewing the old system."
Total BS. Reminds me of the point system in gangs west years back. The largest arrest point total was 20 for a murder. On one occasion, my partner and I worked 2 days on a murder and nothing else. After 2 days we closed in on the offender and called in the gang specialists on the case to close the back door. Shooter gave up without protest. 20 points split between my partner and I and the two gang specialists, 5 points each. The fact that my partner and I did nothing else for 2 days, an average of 2.5 points a day, less than writing two contact cards in the BS system described above. A great way to evaluate performance! ha Good luck with that unless you want to turn the department into contact card writers. What are parkers , bus checks, and school absentees, a point apiece? If you think this is a great system to identify the working police, I say back to the drawing board.
illegal to "intentionally" record. it's amazing how many folks have problems w technology and end up inadvertently capturing relevant info. sucks when we're not the ones benefiting from an obvious lie involving evidence huh?
this prosecutor f'd up and is known to play fast and loose. shit has to change. everyone has a hidden camera.
Assume you are always being recorded, and act accordingly.
8/29/2015 03:29:00 AM
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All CPD know this.
This interview was conducted by the ASA
Now they can feel the bs
First I remember that day and was there... Way too many guys trying to be choefs and not enough Indians... Including some blue shirts who thought they knew it all. Every white shirt, unit Sgt, district sgt LTs etc were all trying to have the next best idea to find the bad guy and steal the show to take credit that they know what they are doing... Well guys, it's all imploding now. This is what happens when over zealous blue and white shirts do things before the detectives either get there or tell them what to do. Don't do anything till the dics get there... This was not the case on this one. Hope the medals and awards were all worth it guys... At least you guys all looked good on your Facebook posts with the awards... To del, my friend if this gets screwed up I feel terrible for you but always remember, you're still alive and there are many worse things that could happen.. You're alive and move on. This job is not worth what happened too you or to continue to stress out about. Stick around if you can, enjoy yourself and retire happy and healthy one day... Hopefully the real bosses look out for you and make sure you and your families needs are always taken care of and considered
An officer took a 1 day suspension for leaving anow empty bag of food in a VRI car.
8/29/2015 08:24:00 AM
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Good. Pick up you slob
An officer took a 1 day suspension for leaving anow empty bag of food in a VRI car.
8/29/2015 08:24:00 AM
I have no problem with this punishment. I'm tired of having to wipe food off the PDT, and then pick up chicken bones and smelly bags of food that have been sitting for hours. Not only disgusting, but shows a total lack of respect for your coworkers. I'd hate to see what their cars and houses look like.
The person above talking about the new system for activity above,,,,, we have that and in my district you can work your ass off and still get dumped to midnights because favorite short skirts and kiss asses needs spots. Nothing changes.
Anonymous said...
So you have to register with the Chicago tribune to read the stories on their website??? Can't pull the story up without registering. BS
Go to the right where it says to registered and it will read "No thanks" Click on that and you will go to the article.
Illegal recording in a City or County owned building is not admissible. Even if the SAO fucked up. And under no circumstances would I allow an SAO to conduct an Interview at anyones friggin' home.
Get on CTA or call cookie to Uber your ass to Daley Center.
Anonymous said...
Assume you are always being recorded, and act accordingly.
8/29/2015 03:29:00 AM
Post that advice on your bathroom mirror so you see it every day before you go off to work. Use the possibility of being recorded to bolster yourself, not put yourself in a trick bag. There are people in front of you, next to you, behind you, and above you who could be recording....God forbid, even another copper. Think before speaking or acting as to how your actions/speech could play out in front of a jury or police board. Learn the phrases that will protect you and use them--ex: "stop sir, down sir", etc.
Anonymous said...
The department will be changing their performance evaluation system on Jan 1st. The new system will give points for various activity and paperwork completed. The points will be added together at the end of the year and divided by the days worked. This will not be used for discipline or counseling but will give the department a more accurate count of who is staying busy. Example: case reports 1 point, misd arrest 4 points, felony arrest 8 points, contact card 2 points, etc. This will get rid of favoritism during the evaluation process which the brass has seen while reviewing the old system.
8/29/2015 06:31:00 AM
Sounds good and about fucking time. My partner and I bring in three heads per night. We also bring in felonies too. Not just pimpy shit. Reward the workers and punish the lazy.
Channel 7 afraid to say black man executes white police Police Officer as the Officer is gassing up his cruiser , no mention of a Hate Crime or that the criminALS
OF THE LAST 3 MURDERS OF A pOLICE oFFICER , nEWS rEPORTER AND CAMERA MAN WERE dEMOCRATS THAT SUPPORTED OBAMA
Anita has got to go.
It's legal to audio record police officers in performance of duties. Eavesdropping law does not apply.
11:05:00 AM
Copy and paste or type the title of the story you want to read into a google search field, hit enter, locate the title, click on it, then read it.
Anita is a disgrace to the legal system . She is a painted hooker that will do anything for her power , sad existence for any human , lawyers are mostly bottom feeders but lawyers holding onto their power are beyond scum
On the very important cases LISTEN to the Detectives on scene. They may not be smarter than you but they have a lot more experience in handling the case and know what needs to get done the right way.
Illegally obtained evidence (poisonous fruit) CAN be introduced in court, but only to impeach evidence or statements already presented.
Sir Donkey, Esq.
Was in a squad where the previous PO had a full dip cup that I missed cleaning up all the other refuse. I pulled away & the dip cup spilled all over the crotch/lap part of my 3 day old new pants.
Is that gay? I hade no intent on having his saliva all over my junk, but the watch said it was. The Union had no opinion.
Skoal fucked!
Anonymous said...
Yea the states gotten into the bad habit of going to witnesses house to conduct interviews. So what is the juice. It can only be a bombshell if the states attorney did some off the wall shit.
Official misconduct?
False prosecution?
Lying under oath?
And Anita Alvarez is in for a big election Too?
Watch out everyone Anita will do whatever to garner vote even throw an attorney under the bus.
8/29/2015 11:17:00 AM
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sounds like a corrupt states attorney is getting what is due, you violate someones civil rights---- in the end, every human being suffers for that
Anonymous said...
Anita is a disgrace to the legal system . She is a painted hooker that will do anything for her power , sad existence for any human , lawyers are mostly bottom feeders but lawyers holding onto their power are beyond scum
8/29/2015 09:31:00 PM
Wait until you see who the next one will be. Oh baby...
Yes - Anita is a whore. But Cook Co Commisioner John Fritchey and former County Chief of Staff Kimberly Foxx are even skankier whores.
Hope the republicans can find another Jack O'Malley to run against the demorat winner.
To the guy in gangs west- I remember that as well. I also remember a parker being worth one point. So a guy that wrote a book of parkers a day received as many points as a guy who arrested a murderer.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anita is a disgrace to the legal system . She is a painted hooker that will do anything for her power , sad existence for any human , lawyers are mostly bottom feeders but lawyers holding onto their power are beyond scum
8/29/2015 09:31:00 PM
Not to disagree with you but did you hear prickwinkle say that she wants her chief of staff to take over the states attorney office. She wants someone more tolerant etc...
What a crock of shit! So that will mean that we haven't got a chance for truth, justice and the (old) American way!
Too bad this is happening in this case. A lot of prosecutors are scumbags that will lie and cheat to get a conviction. They are not your friend. They will fabricate charges on some and a slap on the wrist for others. It all depends on the polital climate at the time and the persons in involved.
If you are doing any kind of police work, or any work while being paid with tax dollars, you have no right to privacy, and therefore it is okay to record you without your consent. So, while on the clock, always act as if you are being recorded, because. . . . you just might be.
Now if only someone could get secret recordings of Rahm while he is on the clock. . . .
I remember when our tact office had a score card chalk board with a point given for every gun recovered. That did not work well either. Remember that there is no jail time given for doing nothing. Zzzz
Performance evals already rate you by your performance compared to everyone else in your district idiot HaHa and anyone who believes this wont be used to counsel you PUT THE KOOL AID down...
Question, with the over crowding in our jails and the push to lessen punishment for crimes, even felonious crimes. . .8 pts for felony and 4 pts for misdemeanor seems a little made up to me. And i live in a world of make believe :) now wont you be my neighbor. R.I.P. Mr. Rogers
Just learned? 3 fucking yrs later. Really
It's legal to audio record police officers in performance of duties. Eavesdropping law does not apply.
8/29/2015 08:07:00 PM
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Wrong.
1) The law allowing recording of police in performance of duties was not in existence at the time of the recording. Sunday's Libune says she made the recording 3 years ago, when that would have been felony eavesdropping.
2) Today's Libune says she recorded prosecutors. Prosecutors are not police. It is felony eavesdropping to record non-police without their consent.
3) Today's Libune: "It's not clear why Sadler's mother, Talaina Cureton, came forward only recently with the 3-year-old recording."
Well, let me take a guess (because here's where it gets really interesting). The statute for a felony eavesdropping charge against her would've expired 3 years after the recording was made. And lo and behold, after 3 years she comes forward with the recording. Maybe she went to the defense team with her recording a long time ago. Maybe the defense team knew she had committed a felony by making the recording and told her to wait and keep her mouth shut. Maybe they continued the case to make sure they could spring the trap just beyond the statute of limitations.
Now that the defense team is calling for an investigation against the prosecutors, maybe a special prosecutor and should be appointed to look, along with the ARDC, into possible misconduct and possible charges(conspiracy, obstruction, contempt) by the defense team.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Mom recorded the conversation without the knowledge and consent of all parties?
That's felony eavesdropping.
8/29/2015 07:34:00 AM
She was in her own home!!!!! That doesnt apply
Too bad this is happening in this case. A lot of prosecutors are scumbags that will lie and cheat to get a conviction. They are not your friend. They will fabricate charges on some and a slap on the wrist for others. It all depends on the polital climate at the time and the persons in involved.
I love when defense attorneys get on this website and pretend to be the police....
It shouldn't matter where the interview takes place, who conducts the interviews or if it's recorded or not. Stick with the truth, be professional and you will be fine.
Any moron can put a case together with lies. It takes skill, experience, knowledge, integrity and guts to put a case together with just the facts.
Who gives a fuck about the PES especially if officers are being punished for doing their jobs.
Just because a police family members car was impounded for weed, you reassign 2 of your top tactical officers who served in Iraq war and has fried much bigger fish, but you dump them from tact?
Media are you there?
Do you hear this BS?
Two tactical officers in 005th district were dumped by their Commander for doing their job per the general order on vehicle impoundment?
It's bad when the Boss don't have your back
The ARDC does not investigate prosecutors. Only the Attorney Generals office can, and guess what, they won't investigate them either. Everbody is always attacking police credibility but the biggest gang in town are the ASA's.
8/29/15 08:30AM....
Relax guy. I didn't even show up because I was told I'm going to be meritorious. Don't forget to shine your shoes.....
The statute of three years begins at the time of the prosecution becoming AWARE of the crime.
It's amazing how defense attorneys get free passes to lie in court, happens all the time.
Like the defense of a cop killer , he was beaten, absolutely no truth in that defense but still allowed to make anything they want up.
>>>Anonymous said...
If you are doing any kind of police work, or any work while being paid with tax dollars, you have no right to privacy, and therefore it is okay to record you without your consent. So, while on the clock, always act as if you are being recorded, because. . . . you just might be.
Now if only someone could get secret recordings of Rahm while he is on the clock. . . .
8/30/2015 09:14:00 AM<<<
I hope the Feds are doing that already.
Sometimes when I call customer service of some companies, I always ask for American based customer service (not India, Mexico etc.). When I hear the phrase on their greeting, "This call may be recorded for quality control purposes." I sometimes hit the speaker function on my phone and the sound recorder on my laptop. Never had to use it yet, but nice to know I have it if they do not deliver what was promised or what I paid for.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The ARDC does not investigate prosecutors. Only the Attorney Generals office can, and guess what, they won't investigate them either. Everbody is always attacking police credibility but the biggest gang in town are the ASA's.
8/30/2015 05:29:00 PM
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Uh, no.
Prosecutors are attorneys who are subject to licensing rules enforced by the ARDC.
The ARDC can't file criminal charges, but can file and investigate ethics charges.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The statute of three years begins at the time of the prosecution becoming AWARE of the crime.
8/30/2015 08:49:00 PM
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No.
You people are making this stuff up.
She was in her own home!!!!! That doesnt apply
8/30/2015 11:11:00 AM
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Yes, the eavesdropping law does apply to conversations within your own home. There is no home exemption.
Bunch of jailhouse lawyers talking shit about laws and procedures they clearly know nothing about. Clowns, one and all.
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