Sgt Rumor
Remember that supposed class of sergeants before the end of the year?
- Straight outta headquarters. McCarthy is attempting to promote a class of 13 merit sergeants. With no one off the list. McCarthy has been advised not too, but refuses to listen to legal affairs, human resources, inspector general. Why on earth would you promote a class of 13. Waste of a classroom at the academy. Are they going to be in the broom closet. Somebody give him a snickers bar, he gets pissy when hungry.
- Talk about fuzzy math, Best rumor of the week. There will be a class of 13 merit sergeants all by themselves starting next Monday. Don "Elmer Fudd" ONeill and his loyal sidekick Sgt YT the OCD legend in her own mind think they can twist the Shakman language to let them sneak in 13 OCD cronies of the right demographic and no one will complain because they'll just say they were merit from the last class. In there mind 100% and 30% are the same thing if it's their people getting promoted. Just a rumor folks. nothing to see here. I bet the class won't happen next Monday. Bring back Tracey Ladner!
And yet again, another reason for the FOP to negotiate for a change to the "merit" system...something along the lines of "sure, you can have 30% "merit" from the entire total of promoted sergeants, but they're the last class promoted. That way people who actually earned a promotion by studying the material and scoring well get promoted ahead of the hacks."
Anyone have info on this rumor? At least we'd have no problem picking out the clouted and could follow their subsequent career trajectories with ease.
Anyone have info on this rumor? At least we'd have no problem picking out the clouted and could follow their subsequent career trajectories with ease.
Labels: from the comments, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
133 Comments:
Hey boils down Don O'Neil is a licensed attorney in Illinois, file a complaint against his ass with the ARDC, it's like the old catch 22 with us being the police, he makes policy decisions that violate laws whether they labor laws or other laws.
True except now there will be 9 merit and 4 off the list. Almost 18 months after the results of the Sgt test and there will be 35 people promoted off the list. There will be at most 250 Sergeants promoted at this rate.
Another rumor is the head honcho's former driver, who was made merit sgt., but unqualified to do so, is now suing to get that rank back that he should have never been given to in the first place. His old boss is named in the suit? ??? Who allowed this mess to go through???? No vetting or ignored?
I heard the same rumor. It makes me sick to think they would do this. At least we'll all know who they are, although they probably won't be spending much time in Patrol. I guess I'll have to go to the graduation to hackle them.
Any news on next ET class?
This rumor doesn't make sense. Where do they get 13? Last class was 31 off the list, if they're using the merit spots from that class it's only 9. Besides they're short like 60 or 70 sergeants why bother making only 13?
Only in Chicago
In order to renogotiate merit we would have to give up something. Considering how few people are affected by this this is the least of our worries as far as contracts go. In case you haven't noticed every class has been well under the 30% alloted for merit. This is a waste of the unions ime.
that's jacked up ( if true) . Is it 30 percent per class or per the whole list ? And if it's the whole list why not Promote all the rank order people first , THEN the last say 2/3 classes can be all merit . That way the people who studied and did well will have seniority Etc on the merits . If I was anywhere near close on the Sgt list I would be very upset . hopefully it's just a rumor.
They can't promote a class of only merit. The contract is pretty clear on this issue, max of 30% merit. If they make a class of 13 ten must be off the list. If they do this the next 10 people on the list that should have been in that class will undoubtedly file a lawsuit and win back pay, retroactive seniority date, lawyer fees etc.. This decision will end up costing the city money.
Just do away with the entire merit system. This is very disheartening for people who scored between 300 and 400.
Lucky 13 Sergeants.
On the upside, we'll all know who the merit slugs are.
Reading stuff like this makes this job disheartening. The top should lead by example and do what's right. Promote from the list and moral will improve!
Who really cares?? I'll never make sgt. so they get better seniority, boo hoo. 13 ppl out of OCD? I have a better shot of going there than making sgt.
Heard the 13 would be retired coppers from New York .
The class of thirteen merit sergeants will have a combined IQ of approximately the over/under of the Bears game today.
Funny thing is that since only 31 were promoted Than the 30 percent would allow for is 9. (Actually it's 9.3) .
FOP should goto court and state their case. Have a court issue an injunction and STOP the class. Sorry merit people but if you don't study and put in the time.....well too bad for you! Most of you (merit people) don't deserve it anyway. Please don't tell me you received the bump because you "worked" your whole career and are deserving of the sgt. Promotion. What about those that worked, went to court AND put in the time studying? The time away from their family etc while they sat and studied for 3-4 hrs. A night.
Sorry for the rant but people always say the merit people were hard workers, good people etc. I'm sick of the bullshit. Everyone has an excuse why someone should be GIVEN the stripes. My god, put in the time and EARN IT!
Sounds like something a guy on his way out would try to do before the door hits him in the ass.
This would fall on the next people on the sergeant list if they fail to file a lawsuit then OH well.
I know they don't want to stir up anything and NO it would not be the FLOP it would be the Infamous Sergeant unions. You know the union with the president who threw everyone under the bus in contract talks.
And you would be naming very wealthy Garry as the primary person in the suit because he disregarded the rules. Just think all those tasty emails with the inside info!!!
I believe in merit, unfortunately I'm one of those people that do not test well. I have not been promoted but have worked with some very competent , hard working police men that have been made merit. With the right people promoted it can be a good process.
On the bright side we will all forever know how these 13 hacks were promoted. They won't be able to hide amoungest the Sgts who were actually promoted on their qualifications.
I say this should be standard practice. One class for those who made it the correct way and one class for all the political ass kissers who can't make it other then by being connected and kissing ass.
We can then follow the merit hacks careers and see how they progress.
That's fine if they want 13 merit spots....they only made 31 off the list so that 30 percent equates to 9 merit.spots......to make an additional 4 than they need to make 13 more from the LIST.
When this rumor first emerged I posted this:
I'd be pissed off if he did this and I'm retired. This might be from the dictates of that ass chewing he got from the Black Caucus. I know of some good people qualified waiting on the Sergeants list and I'd hate to see them screwed again.
But, it just occurred to me that McIdiot has to make Merit Sergeants who are beholding to him. People who passed tests are likely to be to think too independently and not follow the Compost line. These 13 may be on the fast track for exempt rank.
P.S. is that any dictatorship has to purge the old leadership of the military when it takes over. This goes back to ancient times, to Stalin, Mao right up to Obama who purged our own military of officers who disagreed with his socialist plans. To replace them he wants people who are only beholding to him and don't even remember what it was like to have a Pre-Rahm era CPD.
The only line that stands out, "waste a classroom at the academy."
They do that everyday with most of the bullshit taught down there by people that like the title of police, just don't want the work.
That legitimacy crap is arguably the single worst and most useless continued education class in the history of the department.
They will be the Sups last before the mayor kicks him to the curb
Just a wild guess..... can these 13 anointed ones be the last of Gerry's juice baby promotions before he's launched by months end by His Honor Raccoon Eyes?
Price, Price, Price.... R. P., the only voice of reason (telling McSnickers that he really really really shouldn't do this) in the inner sanctum. When did you think that would be the case?! God help us.
Poor juice babies
This is the way that Rahm and McGoofy operate. They simply do whatever they want to do regardless of what contracts, laws etc. say.
They figure the "wronged" can file grievances and lawsuits and if they win they win but Rahm and McGoofy still were able to do whatever the hell they wanted in the first place.
This department has operated with a do whatever they want attitude for quite awhile now.... under Rahm and McGoofy they've taken it to a whole new level.
I am sure the "13" will make fine sergeants...congrats to them.
What a bunch of bullshit! Never seen so many half-ass incompetent idiots in my life. It's amazing this department gone under years ago. Why can't Cpd just run a legit properly administered test for once? I know I'm dreaming fuck it
If I was put up for merit I sure as hell would not want to be in this class. Your going to be shit on your whole career. Long after Mccarthy leaves town you will still be getting shit on. None of your subordinates will respect you and neither will your peers. Its a bad idea. I know 4 people that were put in for merit. They are all great working coppers. very smart, dedicated, humble individuals. I would hate to see them singled out for being in an all merit class. These guys don't deserve that. Also the people next up on the list don't deserve to be passed up either. Its amazing how the city doesn't have to pay for a federal monitor anymore and all of a sudden they start pulling stunts. Hey administration at headquarters, you are bound by department directives and the contract. Any deviation will lead to litigation. Just because your lying to yourself by thinking a "round" of promotions is the entire promotional process you have a another thing coming. you want 13 merit sergeants make a class of 44 sergeants.
How were these 13 merits suppose to be in the last class in april. Last sergeants class started april 13, 2015. The cpd didn't ask for merit applications for the rank of sergeant until may 2015. So how can these guys supposedly be the merit for the april class when there wasn't any merit pool. Doesn't make sense. The Chicago police department should have asked for merit applications after the results from the latest sergeants exams came in july 2014. The department should have never promoted a class if they didn't have any merit selections to choose from. Although you don't have to use 30% merit Mccarthy never has, during his tenure as supe he has only done 20% merit for sergeants classes. You missed out on the first class, easy fix. Run two classes with a full 30% and go back to your normal 20%. You get an extra 10% for two classes which make up for the 20% merit that wasn't in the first class. I know if it was up to McCarthy there would be no merit at all. Heard he is no fan of it. But he has all these exempts crying to him about their guys. Gmac don't listen to them, get them a box of tissues and tell them to go cry it out in the corner.
Do not count on Inspector Clouseau Joe Ferguson doing anything about it, the current head of City Hall Human Resources is Soo Choi, who reported to Ferguson when she was a Deputy inspector General. Hey Joe, did you ever initiate an investigation into allegations that Choi while working for the Inspector General's office made a campaign contribution and held a campaign event at her home for a failed senatorial candidate bid ? And your office is apolitical, right ? you smug and sanctimonious dork.
Good luck to the over 700 applicants who are taking the FTO test.
The Merit Sysytem has been a major contributing factor in the moral of this Dept.
I wonder if the tail end of the Sgt list is near and this is the last chance for the outgoing brass to get their bootlickers in.
The non challenging Part 1 examinee winds up in the class over someone who actually studied, went on to trudge through Part 2 and is bumped down is unacceptable.
There's no way to explain how somebody with a lower rank score should be placed above a higher scoring candidate.
Nowhere can I find that there's a remedial clause. Unless they're calling it something else.
Where does it say that a COMPLETE LIST of Candidate scores and Rankings shall NOT be posted?
Why doesn't the FOP insist that this is necessary? The Membership should asking for this.
Btw, 2 or so Contracts ago FOP did bargain for 16% Det and it was rejected, the City won the 30% Sgt merits, but I don't recall what we gained with that deal.
Let's stop giving out theses Participation Promotion trophies.
As for (only) 13 Merits, the class should be 45, which was a rumor I heard for October and that would be towards the 26th.
Great idea regarding the last class being the 30%.
This is the exact reason why I refuse to take any more promotional exams. The department is going to promote who they want regardless of your score. Keep in mind boys and girls because of a aldercreature has stated on TV that there are not enough black detectives guarantee that white officers will get passed over for a black officer on this upcoming detectives exam. Seems ethics doesn't apply to certain people.
Who really cares. Its all about who you know if you want to rise up the ladder. If you know nobody, Sgt. is as high as you'll go.
Straight out of headquarters, guess kind of like "straight otta compton" same type of crazy crew, same thinking if true! But then again this cannot be true, another ugly rumor, no way would Gary be in the trick bag for this illegal play! Alice in wonderland had a continuous "Black Hole" that if you fell down into it there was no bottom, lets hope this department has hit bottom and rises like Atlantis! But then again that's a fantasy also correct? You can't make this up, it writes itself!!
The rumor has some truth to it. Supposedly they were going to make a class of 100 Sgts and have at least 40 merits. The 40 was to make up for the last class of zero merit. The FOP supposedly balked at the idea. McCarthy is trying to please the Mayor and minority politicians. I see everyone blaming McCarthy, that is bull. The alder jerks have been frothing at the mouth after the last class had no merit. You have suckholes who have been promised promotion long ago and still don't have it. Tons of favors are trying to be cashed in. The corruption of the CPD must continue no matter how much money of the taxpayers must be paid in lawsuits
The irony is that if the people they promote really had "merit" they wouldn't need a "merit" system to begin with.
Sounds as if he is taking care of people before he leaves...
Why even have a test?
Relax, Relax, Relax.
I say let them do it if they want to. Then file a "lawsuit" once it is done.
Not a grievance with the union. Lawsuits get media attention.
Also ask for damages for the boys and girls that were passed over.
Not just back pay, but damages for the emotional stress that they
went through being passed over.
But I do believe that the FOP needs to change the merit system.
I have friends on the CFD and they have some nice language in
their contract to deal with the merit.
* A list of those nominated is to be given to the union before the test is given.
That prevents someone from finding a chinaman later in life
* They most score a 70 or above in order to be given a merit promotion.
They post a list showing the order of the list plus each persons total grade
to see if someone is taking an out of rank promotion.
Minimum months of time in grade in order to get any promotion and even
more months in grade for a merit promotion.
Plus 16% of the total number of people promoted get promoted in ranked
order if merit is used even if only 1 person is promoted using merit. Before
the old list is taken down.
IS YOUR OFFICER PROPERLY EDUCATED AND QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB?
The City Colleges of Chicago have its own version of “The Walking Dead.” Call it the Graduating Dead.
The seven-campus school system is combing records for dropouts, including deceased ones, who may qualify for two-year diplomas, part of an all-out hunt to boost lagging graduation rates and polish a centerpiece of Mayor Rahm Emanuel's education agenda.
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First, it was the dissected cadavers from Anatomy classes found boxed in closets and storage areas at Malcolm X College, now this!
Being that this is Chicago, maybe the City Colleges can conduct a voter registration campaign to add the dead to the polling lists!
Rahm's unqualified appointee, Cheryl Hyman, who is the Chancellor of the City Colleges without benefit of any higher education related experience just received a $35,000.00 merit bonus without a public hearing or vote on top of her $250,000.00 annual salary.
To the unpublished "nonsense rumor"
You see the title? It says "rumor right in the title.
You see the tags at the bottom of the post? "rumor" right there in print. Next to "from the comments" which is where it started to spread.
You read the post? The word rumor is in there at least two or three times, maybe more.
See the last paragraph? We're asking for information in order to substantiate the rumor, thereby leading to swift and sure action on the part of the FOP (hahahahaha) or to debunk it and kill it. If people want to have some fun with it, and make up all sorts of unbelievable, easily identifiable bullshit, well, shame on you for believing everything you read and not being aware of things the city/department are and aren't allowed to do.
However, something like this where they decide to push the boundaries, well, better to drag it out into the open as soon as possible.
That's fine if they want 13 merit spots....they only made 31 off the list so that 30 percent equates to 9 merit.spots......to make an additional 4 than they need to make 13 more from the LIST.
31 in the April class plus the 13 now would be 44. 30% of 44 is the 13 now. It is indeed "fuzzy math" but that's where the number comes from. Hope this is a ridiculous rumor. What a way to kill morale even further.
The city will now be making merit police officers who could not score high enough on the entrance exam. See how silly the merit process is
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If I was put up for merit I sure as hell would not want to be in this class. Your going to be shit on your whole career. Long after Mccarthy leaves town you will still be getting shit on. None of your subordinates will respect you and neither will your peers. Its a bad idea. I know 4 people that were put in for merit. They are all great working coppers. very smart, dedicated, humble individuals. I would hate to see them singled out for being in an all merit class. These guys don't deserve that. Also the people next up on the list don't deserve to be passed up either. Its amazing how the city doesn't have to pay for a federal monitor anymore and all of a sudden they start pulling stunts. Hey administration at headquarters, you are bound by department directives and the contract. Any deviation will lead to litigation. Just because your lying to yourself by thinking a "round" of promotions is the entire promotional process you have a another thing coming. you want 13 merit sergeants make a class of 44 sergeants.
10/18/2015 10:10:00 AM
As a now-deceased lieutenant told me a long time ago, "I'm still a lieutenant. I get lieutenant pay and I'll get a lieutenant's pension and my rank is the same as every other lieutenant."
Rahm's unqualified appointee, Cheryl Hyman, who is the Chancellor of the City Colleges without benefit of any higher education related experience just received a $35,000.00 merit bonus without a public hearing or vote on top of her $250,000.00 annual salary.
10/18/2015 03:14:00 PM
Uh-oh. Garry won't like it now that she makes more money than he does. He's a very sensitive guy.
You are all so full of shit! The last batch promoted by score only, are some of the worse ever. Don't even know how to approve a pre-execution for a search warrant or approve released holds for an inventory. Fuck merit, Fuck studying. You guys need to spend some time around these fucking morons. This department breeds incompetence no matter which way you promote!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
True except now there will be 9 merit and 4 off the list. Almost 18 months after the results of the Sgt test and there will be 35 people promoted off the list. There will be at most 250 Sergeants promoted at this rate.
10/18/2015 12:58:00 AM
theyll promote way more than that.hundreds of sgts are already maxed out and hundreds will be forced out due to age within 4 years or so. add vacancies as sgts are promoted to lt.so unless the dept decides cuts the number of budgeted sgts expect this list to go well into the 400s.stop drinking the kool aid.
Don O’Neil is a very socially awkward guy, cold. He has no feelings when he harms people’s careers, yet cared enough to set himself up to pull in roughly 225 K pension and salary. He is building himself a 3 story mansion in the Edgebrook Sauganash neighborhood, a house that would stand out- even on the north shore. Still,with all that, I don’t think I could fuck people over like he does and look myself in the mirror every day.
"Any news on next ET class?"
Yes, the dic's are being trained to do the ET's work. ET position is being eliminated. So if you want to be an ET, take the dic's test.
I heard it is a class of 60. 47 list + 13 merit. Also heard that FOP has an old agreement letter stating that if the City doesn't use its merit picks for a class, they lose those picks. There is no making up lost merit the next class.
We had some from my class merit promoted despite the fact that they never would have even graduated from a "real" Police academy.
No shit. The instructors walked out, the recruits with IQs of 70 or above gave them the test answers, and even then a few of them almost failed. Do you know how you almost fail despite being given the answers? By being a total moron and still thinking your smarter then everyone else. Thats how.
White shirt material. No doubt.
OT, Lieutenants test results out sooner than expected followed by a class off the new list of 40 LT's
I'm not sure if I don't care, or if I'm so frustrated that I'm not able to care, but at this point I'm out of here in 4 years at 20. I'd leave now if they let us collect anything at 15 years. It's so hard to watch a once proud department completely, utterly unravel. I still do my job, but sadly I see this as a job. A shitty, shitty job.
Poor Secret Study Group babies can't make sgt right away I feel sooo bad for them
SCC can you post please
Poor CPD showing at Wortham trial. POS has more in room than CPD. Probably going to jury Monday, so if anyone is available Monday, 19 October, please show support in Room 606 if you can.
Are they the same people suing Ram for dumping them off the mayor's detail? A payoff? What unit did those those high speed guys go to?
Good luck to everyone who scored over 300 on this list. They will never get to that number on this Sgt. list. What a joke this department has become. Truly sad.
The number is around 57, with merit including the original 31. That will be around 20 merit and 37 off the list. This is approx but should be within 1 or 2
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why even have a test?
10/18/2015 02:03:00 PM
Not much of a "test" when they hand out the questions to select few racial groups. I could memorize them too.
10/18/2015 10:10:00 AM
Wrong answer! If someone wears a white shirt then you have to follow their orders.
Last call " give me another drink make that 2 1 is for the road! It's either my way or the highway, watch out here! Now give me another drink gone darn it!
To the mathmatically challenged: 31 + 13 = 44. Now what is 30% of 44?
But you still push the same line of bullshit that those that are non-merit are a 100% legit?
The secret squirrel, invitation only study groups, 3-4 members of tact teams, specialized units,and neighborhood relations offices make sgt off the same test? That's mathematically impossible. Enough Already.
"This is the way that Rahm and McGoofy operate. They simply do whatever they want to do regardless of what contracts, laws etc. say."
Who's stopping them? Dildo Dean, the Columbus Day Parade King ?
"If I was put up for merit I sure as hell would not want to be in this class. Your going to be shit on your whole career. Long after Mccarthy leaves town you will still be getting shit on. None of your subordinates will respect you and neither will your peers. Its a bad idea."
You keep telling yourself that clown. We have convicted felons running around in white shirts hasn't hurt them any.
name a firm that would stand up to the city, and that have the balls to sue this dept.
Use Eddie Welch's career path as the poster child for a failed merit system. Whoever his sponsor is needs his or her ass kicked for subjecting this department to his utter idiocy. Merit and affirmative action at its worst.
Hey SCC who would be a lawyer to contact for this matter. Could you bring suit to our great union!
Most cops don't get it ! Sorry guys the train has left the station and your still standing there w your bags . Dean dimed us a long time ago . The contract has been cut and most guys don't realize it . The average cop in his lifetime will never attend an FOP meeting . The ones currently in power don't want you to . Those guys never vote so all we have to do is make the " RETIREES happy !" Dean has his crew ; Greg " consigliore " Bella even though he looks like Clemenza , Ray " Luca Brassi " maybe not as bright though , Tommy Mac " the Irish step brother , Kevin Kilmer " Fredo " can't be trusted ," and finally Caps " Dom Barzini ! " the backstabbing and side deals that go on are amazing ! Money is flying out of our union into the lawyers hands . We have an attorney who was fired by a previous president who is now getting all if our defense money. Dean will say nothing to rock the boat . Time to vote all these clowns out ! Et Tu Deano !!!!
Anonymous said...
True except now there will be 9 merit and 4 off the list. Almost 18 months after the results of the Sgt test and there will be 35 people promoted off the list. There will be at most 250 Sergeants promoted at this rate.
10/18/2015 12:58:00 AM
So what's your point? It's been 15 months since the rankings were released and the way things look don't expect another test for another 6 or 7 years so expect the city to go deep in the list. The city doesn't care and especially doesn't want to spend money on police promotional exams. Good example is the current detective's list - over 10 years old and already well into the 500's and likely to make more as the city hasn't even selected a vendor to develop the new test. We're lucky the city gave us this recent Sgt exam, because they could care less and would have still been promoting off the old list.
Back in the day we were the Real Police! Our guns didn't have safety latches on them....they were 'six shooters.' Our pants were wool and our 'sticks' were made of hard shiny cherry wood! Merit sergeants...Hah!
Will the South African EVT Hero get a second bite at the NY merit apple or another suspension?
Deano won't do shit about this or anything else Rahm wants.
He practically has the key to the Executive Men's Room at O'Hare in his pocket.
Notice we haven't had any more Retiree Luncheons with the Clint Krislov Law Firm. Deano did a J-Fled at the last one he appeared and people wanted to ask questions, so no more places he can't control.
>>>Uh-oh. Garry won't like it now that she makes more money than he does. He's a very sensitive guy.
10/18/2015 04:33:00 PM<<<
Garry is collecting his NYPD pension, Newark N.J.(?) and who knows what under the table in perks so he's laughing all the way to the bank.
I'd pay him to leave town, I hear Bagdad Iraq need a police chief.
As a now-deceased lieutenant told me a long time ago, "I'm still a lieutenant. I get lieutenant pay and I'll get a lieutenant's pension and my rank is the same as every other lieutenant."
10/18/2015 04:29:00 PM
HaHaHa. Screw your dead lieutenant and the six assholes who carried him out. I had two promotions deferred due to incompetent merit promotees, but enough crying over spilled milk. I'm alive and kicking after my rank order promotions and The 'Ol Man has gotten the captains pension-from a rank order promotion-for over 23 years!!! Stick that in your burial urn you cheat.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who really cares. Its all about who you know if you want to rise up the ladder. If you know nobody, Sgt. is as high as you'll go.
10/18/2015 01:14:00 PM
I would argue that if one "does not know anybody," one could go as high as lieutenant. Lt is a testable rank, just like Sgt.
With the new 1st dep.supt, shit will change, He will call McCarthy out on everything he see' fit to question. The new # 2 will get things moving at headquarters, you just watch. He did not get the job for being a fool.
Anonymous said...
The city will now be making merit police officers who could not score high enough on the entrance exam. See how silly the merit process is
Too late....
That was done in 1991 exam when Mayor Daley announced that he would be accepting Highly Qualified, over Qualified exam takers.
And excluding those who scored less than Qualified.
Not enough monorities in the Highly Qualified.....so.....
Put everyone in the bucket and pull them randomly.
Hahaha
First class was loaded with Qualified...Not Highly Qualified.
I see those pukes often......
Most are still PO's.
They couldn't make rank on their own....
Not even the First Deputy nephew who made Merit Sgt.
Fabulous, 13 new lawsuits and Rahm can refer the cases out to connected law firms. Garry sic, who is advising you on this hot mess ?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If I was put up for merit I sure as hell would not want to be in this class. Your going to be shit on your whole career. Long after Mccarthy leaves town you will still be getting shit on. None of your subordinates will respect you and neither will your peers. Its a bad idea. I know 4 people that were put in for merit. They are all great working coppers. very smart, dedicated, humble individuals. I would hate to see them singled out for being in an all merit class. These guys don't deserve that. Also the people next up on the list don't deserve to be passed up either. Its amazing how the city doesn't have to pay for a federal monitor anymore and all of a sudden they start pulling stunts. Hey administration at headquarters, you are bound by department directives and the contract. Any deviation will lead to litigation. Just because your lying to yourself by thinking a "round" of promotions is the entire promotional process you have a another thing coming. you want 13 merit sergeants make a class of 44 sergeants.
10/18/2015 10:10:00 AM
As a now-deceased lieutenant told me a long time ago, "I'm still a lieutenant. I get lieutenant pay and I'll get a lieutenant's pension and my rank is the same as every other lieutenant."
10/18/2015 04:29:00 PM
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Yeah, and you still are dishonorable. A non-deserving merit hack is as bad as a gas chamber guarding Nazi or a ISIS Christian raping camel but rider. There I said it. That's what we think of you.
Does this surprise anyone? This has been going on for years, if you expect fair chance you joined the wrong department!
"""" Anonymous said...
I believe in merit, unfortunately I'm one of those people that do not test well. I have not been promoted but have worked with some very competent , hard working police men that have been made merit. With the right people promoted it can be a good process.""""
People that dont "test well" are generally one of two things. 1, to lazy to study. 2, Stupid. Which are you? I suspect the 2nd cause the work is like 8th grade level.
And honestly how can you be competent if you dont even know the fucking procedures of what your doing? Merit is all about race and clout, not competency. Almost every merit promotion Ive seen is a moron.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's fine if they want 13 merit spots....they only made 31 off the list so that 30 percent equates to 9 merit.spots......to make an additional 4 than they need to make 13 more from the LIST.
31 in the April class plus the 13 now would be 44. 30% of 44 is the 13 now. It is indeed "fuzzy math" but that's where the number comes from. Hope this is a ridiculous rumor. What a way to kill morale even further.
10/18/2015 04:13:00 PM
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B.S. If you promote a class, you have to have merit. That's what the "Blue Ribbon Panel" came up with in 1994? WHen the first merit pukes tagged onto the Sgt. promotions. If they did not have merit in the last class of Sgt. promotees, then they were wrong, and this class of merit hacks will sue, successfully, for back pay.
It's not complicated. It's unfair and it's silly, but it's not complicated.
I believe in merit, unfortunately I'm one of those people that do not test well.
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You don't test well because you don't know the material. Wow.
4:29 PM , true and that is the reason a merit promotion should retire at the salary of rank before receiving a Merit Promotion .
Maybe Pontecore can put in his merit Detective for Sgt.. What a joke she is. Bitches how she hates being a Det. Please stay out of 12 you don't work here anymore.
Go bitch at the FOP meeting Tuesday night but none of you will. I'll see the same old faces.
Don't you mean "Straight outta CompStat"?
The last class was 31, all from the test. If you make 13 merit, that equals 44 promoted for the year. 44 - 30% = 13.2. So the 30% for the year would be realized. Just a thought.
If you studied 3-4 hours per night for the SGT's test and still didn't score high enough to lock in a promotion, then your a fucking idiot and don't deserve the spot anyway. Maybe you'll do better as a FTO.
No longer taking promotional exams because you can't score well enough? Then good riddance to you, enjoy the beat car and stop whining.
There a plenty of people that do score great on the test that do not deserve to be SGT. Ie. myself.
Merit has a place but has been abused.
From someone on the outside looking in, this appears to be a case AA. "Giving" promotions to the unqualified only leads to chaos.
Just look at America today. Our President is unqualified. Police, more than anyone else, see the results of this national disgrace.
We have to respect the office of President, but we don't have to respect the man.
Will be the same with unqualified Sergeants.
Like I said, I'm from the outside looking in, if I am totally out of line, accept my apologies.
J.J.
Why the fuck are we so preoccupied hiring more sgt. when we cant even man a watch. The ranks are short handing beyond belief and now we need more useless supervisors who couldn't figure out how to wipe his own ass.
retired last month, took some promotional tests, did not make rank no clout, scored well, not crying getting pension checks, worked special whenever I wanted, made enough to support family put in deferred compensation have health thus far! If you expected to be promoted fairly sorry you joined wrong department, still a decent job,steady, great coppers to work with, bosses mediocre at best best advice put as much as you can in comp it adds up, quite a tidy sum!!
Like I said, I'm from the outside looking in, if I am totally out of line, accept my apologies.
J.J.
10/19/2015 10:22:00 AM
For fake bipolar sonny boy's sake, lay off the blog babble until the daughter-in-law adjusts to club fed. Be PUSH! strong and remember what scripture tells us: never apologize, it's a sign of weakness.
You are all so full of shit! The last batch promoted by score only, are some of the worse ever. Don't even know how to approve a pre-execution for a search warrant or approve released holds for an inventory. Fuck merit, Fuck studying. You guys need to spend some time around these fucking morons. This department breeds incompetence no matter which way you promote.
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Uh, your the douchebag. Sergeants can't approve anything for search warrants. That is a job strictly for a lieutenant. U are definitely a person who scores poorly on every test and doesn't know the basics of the job.
who is the P.O. in R & D that puts out the uniform reminders? Idiot probably thinks he's a boss already. That's all we need is another idiot in the field who thinks he's going to change the world if he does make sergeant. That should be coming from a sergeant or above..... not a P.O.
A perfect illustration of the high quality edumacation that Rahm and his cronies provide at the Shitty Colleges of Chicago:
http://www.cdobs.com/archive/featured/once-limited-to-voting-chicagos-deceased-residents-now-graduating-from-city-colleges/
Anonymous said...
Most cops don't get it ! Sorry guys the train has left the station and your still standing there w your bags . Dean dimed us a long time ago . The contract has been cut and most guys don't realize it . The average cop in his lifetime will never attend an FOP meeting . The ones currently in power don't want you to . Those guys never vote so all we have to do is make the " RETIREES happy !" Dean has his crew ; Greg " consigliore " Bella even though he looks like Clemenza , Ray " Luca Brassi " maybe not as bright though , Tommy Mac " the Irish step brother , Kevin Kilmer " Fredo " can't be trusted ," and finally Caps " Dom Barzini ! " the backstabbing and side deals that go on are amazing ! Money is flying out of our union into the lawyers hands . We have an attorney who was fired by a previous president who is now getting all if our defense money. Dean will say nothing to rock the boat . Time to vote all these clowns out ! Et Tu Deano !!!!
10/18/2015 09:54:00 PM
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You know almost no one is reading your stuff and maybe 20% have any idea what your talking about.
Officers don't get your info from an anonymous poster. Go to meetings and get informed. Don't read bullshit and take as gospel. If you do your a lemming.
Why the fuck are we so preoccupied hiring more sgt. when we cant even man a watch. The ranks are short handing beyond belief and now we need more useless supervisors who couldn't figure out how to wipe his own ass.
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LOTS of sergeants and lieutenant's will be retiring by 31 December.
On Friday the arbitrator settled the "Age 55 free insurance deal".
Sergeant's and above will now get FREE insurance at 55 instead of paying 2% of their annuity towards insurance like FOP has until 1 June 2017.
"If I was put up for merit I sure as hell would not want to be in this class. Your going to be shit on your whole career. Long after Mccarthy leaves town you will still be getting shit on. None of your subordinates will respect you and neither will your peers. Its a bad idea
White guys on Fire Dept. won't take the merit promotion cause they put an ** Next to each merit promotee. Guys would rather wait or not take it - then to be labeled a merit. True. Ask the Firemen. Different mind set there.
As a now-deceased lieutenant told me a long time ago, "I'm still a lieutenant. I get lieutenant pay and I'll get a lieutenant's pension and my rank is the same as every other lieutenant."
10/18/2015 04:29:00 PM
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Yeah, and you still are dishonorable. A non-deserving merit hack is as bad as a gas chamber guarding Nazi or a ISIS Christian raping camel but rider. There I said it. That's what we think of you.
10/19/2015 06:36:00 AM
That's what you think of ME? Uh, I'm not the now-deceased lieutenant. Reading comprehension; try it sometime.
Hmmmm......so dic's are going/being trained to do e.t. duties on top of g.s.r's, buccal swabs, photo line ups and everything else that they already do?????? In your dreams Pedro- Big Al (Blood in Blood Out) p.s. stay off the blog Garry
The whole system is flawed and has been for a long time. When Cline wanted to promote his son, along with cronies' sons, he just threw out the old test @ like 362, when they normally take it to 500. & whola, Cline's son makes it from score. Do you think some people are privy to "command channel review" or the infamous "you'll see this again"? There is a certain way and particular things to study & those in the know, know this. They prep and prime their kids, friends and prepare them, 'cause God forbid the kid should have to push a beat car his entire career. Let's face it, there is not a lot of mobility in this dept; so I give McG credit for trying to make it so, but the truth is politics, croynism, nepotism, and down right corruption all play its part in Chicago Govt. Yet even at that McG has sold us short because now the pension system suffers. Stop the Gold Braided Pension & Double Dippers. Although nice guys, guys like disabled Joe McCarthy running forensics, a unit in charge of guns, when he can't even shoot, should be given the same chance the lowy po is given...disability. Such a sad state of affairs...& the rich get richer at the pos' expense. SAD SAD SAD!
Will the South African EVT Hero get a second bite at the NY merit apple or another suspension?
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It's bad enough that he's a terrible human being let alone someone feels strongly enough about him to think that he'd make a quality supervisor. This department is a farce.
why is everybody bailing out of 5th District
Hmmmmmmmmmm
who is the P.O. in R & D that puts out the uniform reminders? Idiot probably thinks he's a boss already. That's all we need is another idiot in the field who thinks he's going to change the world if he does make sergeant. That should be coming from a sergeant or above..... not a P.O.
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Looks like you're a merit supervisor or just a total dipshit. The reminders are put out on behalf of the Director of R and D by the PO. The PO's are told to put out those reminders by a supervisor, not the PO themselves and are reviewed first by guess who? A supervisor the rank of sergeant or above.
Sergeant's and above will now get FREE insurance at 55 instead of paying 2% of their annuity towards insurance like FOP has until 1 June 2017....
The Sgt and Lt unions demonstrated their lack of negotiating experience and the self-serving willingness to sell out of the Pres/vice pres by giving up the free at 55 ....these unions are tiny compared to FOP- and the 2% was expected to be the foot in the door to get FOP to agree and then the shoulder to the door to raise the percentage going forward
Many thanks to FOP for holding the line---and may many many 55 and over folks FLEE this sinking ship and enjoy life
The city won't promote many off this list. If you haven't noticed the city is downsizing ALL ranks. Currently short 1000 officers, 200 Lieutenants and 90 Sergeants. Anyone who scored over 200 on Sgts test is now on the bubble. The city is simply reducing the size of the department through attrition. So promotional opportunities will decrease going forward.
White guys on Fire Dept. won't take the merit promotion cause they put an ** Next to each merit promotee. Guys would rather wait or not take it - then to be labeled a merit. True. Ask the Firemen. Different mind set there.
BULLSHIT!! Everybody is looking to get promoted any which they can. Being the boss means more power and more money$$$.
Another rumor is the head honcho's former driver, who was made merit sgt., but unqualified to do so, is now suing to get that rank back that he should have never been given to in the first place. His old boss is named in the suit? ??? Who allowed this mess to go through???? No vetting or ignored?
Your qualities of being a jealous cry baby make you the punk that you are. Mind your own business and focus on yourself for once. So, it's alright to be an Indian giver and take something back someone even though they attended the academy and started their position. If this department made an error in promoting him they must live up to it and see that it won't happen in the future. It's cops like you who laugh at others misfortunes.
More Stooges....Great!
20 and out...
The city won't promote many off this list. If you haven't noticed the city is downsizing ALL ranks. Currently short 1000 officers, 200 Lieutenants and 90 Sergeants. Anyone who scored over 200 on Sgts test is now on the bubble. The city is simply reducing the size of the department through attrition. So promotional opportunities will decrease going forward.
10/20/2015 11:25:00 AM
Calm it down goofy.....nothing is going to change...they will continue to promote off the list as it will be up for around 7-8 yrs. Alot of supervisors are going to be leaving in the next 3-5 yrs because of age, lack of promotion (lt. Test done as well) and the recently announced addition to the free health care for those 55 yrs and older. Relax, everyone hovering around 400 and under should be relatively safe.
Anonymous said...
The city won't promote many off this list. If you haven't noticed the city is downsizing ALL ranks. Currently short 1000 officers, 200 Lieutenants and 90 Sergeants. Anyone who scored over 200 on Sgts test is now on the bubble. The city is simply reducing the size of the department through attrition. So promotional opportunities will decrease going forward.
10/20/2015 11:25:00 AM
From a reliable source:
There are currently 201 active Lieutenants (budgeted for 221)
(Obviously the city has eliminated Lieutenant's positions and shifted leadership responsibilities to lower ranks without compensation. This has diminished the need for promotion, pay and pension increases.)
--As of 08/15 there were 12,000 sworn of all ranks & 344 sworn had retired already in 2015
The whole system is flawed and has been for a long time. When Cline wanted to promote his son, along with cronies' sons, he just threw out the old test @ like 362, when they normally take it to 500. & whola, Cline's son makes it from score. Do you think some people are privy to "command channel review" or the infamous "you'll see this again"? There is a certain way and particular things to study & those in the know, know this. They prep and prime their kids, friends and prepare them, 'cause God forbid the kid should have to push a beat car his entire career. Let's face it, there is not a lot of mobility in this dept; so I give McG credit for trying to make it so, but the truth is politics, croynism, nepotism, and down right corruption all play its part in Chicago Govt. Yet even at that McG has sold us short because now the pension system suffers. Stop the Gold Braided Pension & Double Dippers. Although nice guys, guys like disabled Joe McCarthy running forensics, a unit in charge of guns, when he can't even shoot, should be given the same chance the lowy po is given...disability. Such a sad state of affairs...& the rich get richer at the pos' expense. SAD SAD SAD!
10/19/2015 08:44:00 PM SI TRUE THANKS FOR TELLING IT LIKE IT IS!
At least Jodi demoted a whole bunch of deserving people.
Yawn.......seriously...since the 1970 ' s the city has always messed with the promotions....everyone relax. The city will bark and attempt to circumvent the contract. The FOP should goto court and file an injunction. That will stop the all merit class.
They will promote as usual with merit being around 30 percent per CLASS with the rest off the list. The list will be around for around 7-8 yrs so expect around 350 - 400 promotions off the current list. Everyone will go on with their lives. Be safe everyone!!!!
Another rumor is the head honcho's former driver, who was made merit sgt., but unqualified to do so, is now suing to get that rank back that he should have never been given to in the first place. His old boss is named in the suit? ??? Who allowed this mess to go through???? No vetting or ignored?
Your qualities of being a jealous cry baby make you the punk that you are. Mind your own business and focus on yourself for once. So, it's alright to be an Indian giver and take something back someone even though they attended the academy and started their position. If this department made an error in promoting him they must live up to it and see that it won't happen in the future. It's cops like you who laugh at others misfortunes.
Seriously.......we have RULES and REQUIREMENTS for promotions, hiring, etc... for a reason dipshit. Someone was GIVEN some promotion because of who he KNEW.....not what he accomplished....unless of course driving a person around in a 2015 TAHOE without crashing is an accomplishment. The dept Errored in GIVING this goof a promotion he DIDN'T DESERVE or EARN. He didn't have the requirements needed to Receive a promotion....boo fucking hoo.....if he wants to be a sgt then maybe study and prepare like others and try EARNING IT
Your qualities of being a jealous cry baby make you the punk that you are. Mind your own business and focus on yourself for once. So, it's alright to be an Indian giver and take something back someone even though they attended the academy and started their position. If this department made an error in promoting him they must live up to it and see that it won't happen in the future. It's cops like you who laugh at others misfortunes.
10/20/2015 05:19:00 PM
I have no stake in this, but your argument stinks. I would guess you are the thief who stole the rank.
The Worst Superintendent in the history of the Department thumbed his nose at the laws and promoted a guy that couldn't and shouldn't be promoted. He stole a promotion form someone else plain and simple. The fact that he is suing now proves what a lowlife he/you are.
I am all for minding my own business, but this is all of our business and the Union should be fighting this and the Superintendent should be whacked with the bill. It is disgraceful.
Yawn.......seriously...since the 1970 ' s the city has always messed with the promotions....everyone relax.
Who's there, youngster. There are copies of newspaper articles in our 3rd generation police family scrapbook which over the years announced both my father and my uncles sergeants and lieutenants promotions lists. The Civil Service Commission actually posted the list downtown on the wall outside it's office and years ago, when we still lived in a society, all the major Chicago newspapers published the promotion lists for all the world to see, Well, my uncle is to be promoted to sergeant in the mid-1950's and his name appears on the list both at the Commission and in the newspapers. He celebrates and goes to Lake Chetac near Hayward, WI with a few other coppers when he gets the news that a revised list was was posted at the Civil Service Commission at the direction of Old Man Daley, the white gang banger from Bridgeport. he is now moved back about twenty names and will not be promoted in this group. He hauls it back to Chicago and consorts with others so wronged and retain a retired judge to file suit against the City. The officers prevail in court, the original list is restored and he is promoted. It was also the last time anyone in our family ever voted for a Daley. And for many years after that my uncle was the only lieutenant with a Polish surname on the Department while my father would become one of only two sergeants in the city with a Polish surname. And to this day we will never vote for a Daley.
In 2000, there were 13500 officers, 400 Lieutenants, 1200 Sergeants and 1200 Detectives. Today there are a lot less in all of these positions. Detective is the worst hit and has less than 900 positions. 25% reduction. Lieutenant rank down almost 50% since 2000. Wake up people. The city is downsizing the department and wants to get below 10000. This has been going on for the past 6-7 years. Good luck getting promoted.
why is everybody bailing out of 5th District
Hmmmmmmmmmm
10/20/2015 01:08:00 AM
5 has always sucked.
I have no stake in this, but your argument stinks. I would guess you are the thief who stole the rank.
The Worst Superintendent in the history of the Department thumbed his nose at the laws and promoted a guy that couldn't and shouldn't be promoted. He stole a promotion form someone else plain and simple. The fact that he is suing now proves what a lowlife he/you are.
I am all for minding my own business, but this is all of our business and the Union should be fighting this and the Superintendent should be whacked with the bill. It is disgraceful.
Yes, you don't have any stake in this but you did stick your big nose in it. Nothing was ever stolen. He simply accepted a promotion that was offered to him by the superintendent. There is no evidence which shows that he would have been a bad boss. I don't fault him for taking this promotion. There are a lot of people who would do the same thing. If you think that something was stolen, I want to know the name of the person that he took it from.
You mean the driver had no f$ckin idea that he was intelligible to be promoted? It's called accountability, honesty and integrity. People in this dept are so tired of the bullshit that goes on with this so-called merit process.
The Sups driver.......
He is incompetent if he did not know he was not qualified for the position.
He knew he need a certain amount of college credit hours documented with the city to be promoted.
The city intentionally left candidates who scored well enough to get promoted, out of classes until they could prove they had the education.
Clearly.....yes clearly, the Superitendant and the driver were ttying to squeak this by hoping nobody would discover it.
He doesn't deserve to be a sergeant. He does t deserve to prevail on a lawsuit.
He has been taken care of for over 20 years. He has already abused the system.
If you think that something was stolen, I want to know the name of the person that he took it from.
10/21/2015 04:05:00 PM
The next person on the list. The person that did not get their promotion because the Superintendent "gave" it to the thief. If you can't get that, you are hopeless.
You mean the driver had no f$ckin idea that he was intelligible to be promoted? It's called accountability, honesty and integrity. People in this dept are so tired of the bullshit that goes on with this so-called merit process.
10/21/2015 09:35:00 PM
ACCOUNTABILITY ..... The number 1 thing lacking on this job from top to bottom. We bitch and moan about the people on the street that nobody ever wants to be accountable when we ourselves just play the blame game. Honesty and integrity are two words you won't find practiced in the CPD!!!
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