Use of "Feathers" Training
With "Non-Use of Force" training underway, we'd like to hear everyone's thoughts - Officers of course, but also the supervisors who have taken the class already.
Apparently, there was quite a bit of controversy at the white shirt training and the Department had to have an exempt member (captain, commander, inspector, etc) on hand to keep everyone in line. No SPARs were issued, but a number of people had to be told to sit down and shut up....exactly the message you want to be sending to the troops.
So post away. We're attending soon, so we'll be interested to see how it all stacks up.
Apparently, there was quite a bit of controversy at the white shirt training and the Department had to have an exempt member (captain, commander, inspector, etc) on hand to keep everyone in line. No SPARs were issued, but a number of people had to be told to sit down and shut up....exactly the message you want to be sending to the troops.
So post away. We're attending soon, so we'll be interested to see how it all stacks up.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
139 Comments:
When somebody gets hurt because per department policy an officer wasn't allowed to use force to subdue the offender there should be a lawsuit filed. Changing this policy and endangering the cops and the public has been way too easy for the politicians and ACLU. Sue them. Start pushing back at these people. Show them you will no longer be fucked with. If the ACLU can become powerful and organizations like BLM can become powerful then so can the police if you know what you're doing. You should be suing for everything. That's how the other groups got power. Cops are being persecuted but they think you're pushovers because you never counter with anything. Fight back! People will then be afraid to mess with you and you'll get more respect than you've ever had.
Not a cop
This place is a joke glad I retired. If you can retire now do it you won't regret it.
When it got to the part where you have to rat out your partner, they had some older blue shirt wearing his ribbons deliver the bad news.....otherwise it was sgts and above. Anything for an inside spot close to home.
as a p.o. I took the class recently. it was nothing of value. no new info, but the instructors all acted as if the info was new. dept needs to teach what is acceptable levels of reasonable articulated suspicion and p/c. this class should be for retreads or fuckups who can't negotiate the law properly.
the once proud CPD is melting into a blob of wax. Im sooooo glad Im retired and I feel sorry for those whore on the job.
You just cant win.
The "new" Use of Force paradigm
has been intentionally crafted
to be dangerous to Policemen.
Let the supervisors lead the rebellion
against Rahm, the aclu and #blm.
Let the taxpaying citizens know that
Rahm is intentionally imperiling THEM
by intentionally imperiling The Police
by pandering to the non-contributory
classes of this city.
ANYTHING.
To avoid the overdue conversation on
the suppression of the JVD/LMcD video
for over a year instead of releasing it
in a timely fashion.
Which was smack in the middle of a
run-off election that Rahm desperately
wanted to win.
Rahm suppressed that video because he
very rightfully feared the wrath of
the usually reliable catered-to
constituency vote from the Chicago
Democratic Slave Plantation.
The truth is mean and nasty stuff
isn't it?
All I can say is avoid force! Stay fetal till you retire!
If you touch someone that force. I don't plan on doing anything where I have to use force. I plan on doing lots of paper jobs.
Please. Tell me all about the Nerf Swords,
the My Pillows, and the Evian Bottled Spring
Water to hydrate Hispanic street people on the
verge of heat stroke. Snack rescue kits for
diabetics or to deescalate tensions. A collection
of stuffed animals to pacify the kids while you
administer Narcan to the parents.
Looks like I'll have to get shot in the leginstead of faceing a lawsuit
Haven't been to the class yet. But from what I've heard, a lot of police officers are going to get hurt or killed from the idiots that wrote this.
It wasn't as bad as was expected. Nothing much has changed. Be the police, but have keeping your own ass safe in mind. Don't do stupid shit and all should be OK. Better yet, don't do anything.
This is designed to catch you in a Rule 14 because they will demand detailed statements from all on scene. Everyone sees the same incident a bit differently from different angles, and they know that.
The entire process will result in you being charged criminally with conspiracy.
The only safe officers are those who are not on scene.........
Complete joke... all this is is a trick bag to throw all of us under a bus.
1st thing is this 'sanctity of life ' when a certain population doesn't care and have no morales of this idealology, that in itself is a failure...
we cant make them care about their own culture, let alone listen to BS
de-escaltion to show we actually do care, easy lesson, don't point that gun at us, and you wont have lead poisoning.
2nd thing... all you officers who are lemart trained.... this department took a great idea, and with this new policy, put all you in the trick bag... this went from priority and means to save you, your partner or a innocent citizen to rendering aid to the pos who just tried to kill you... your trained now, if you don't use that and just call for ems... (regardless if you bought the equipment or not) 219 s Dearborn,here you come, that's after you beat the case Foxx brings onto you.
All this policy is, is that it gives the city a way to wipe their hands clean when the shit goes down. All the loop holes and this BS of 20/20 hindsite ... yea ok.
There was nothing wrong, no civil rights violations, and the most important... much safer using the use of force paradigm used for years.
Big boss Eddie used his hands to sign off on the Mcdonald case in which every person involved felt the wrath except him. now hes using the same hands to take away coppers own rite to sanctity off life and give it all to the criminals who abide by nothing our society abides by. No thank you. KMA
They served up a shit soufflé covered in fresh cream and sugar. Spent the whole time pointing out the fresh cream and tasty organic sugar. The four supervisors teaching at my session were the standard gender of inside personnel. All of them had a meritorious promotion in their past. That's a fact, not speculation. All four of them have lost their clout (I.e. McCarthy, ex-husband, etc) and have been in districts for a while. The most insulting was the one who stated that she was only there because she thought the training was important and she cared. Getting off midnights in a fast district had nothing to do with it. They kept telling you "I'm from 011" or "I'm from 015". Of course...they're not, they're from the Use of Force unit because that unit is NEVER going away. We all have to go back every year for eight hours of training and lucky for us we have these experts to teach us. They were very well rehearsed and you could tell they had spent a lot of time practicing the shell game. At one point we were sold the "duty to intervene" B.S. with the statement "we're a family and this is how families take care of one another". I don't understand how a few hours in class are supposed to undo 6 months of academy training and 25 years of street reinforcement. It would take a lot more to make this policy instinctive. It's just a knee jerk reaction to Van Dyke, which makes no sense because they charged him with a crime for his actions. How does a policy change stop you from violating the policy? You could ban all force, then what are you going to do if we have another incident? The training was pretty useless and I learned more from the online video. It's basically a spot for failed house mice.
Non-use of force is a theory whose time has come. It is the right way to practice policing. For one,it will cool down tensions in the communities. Two it will lower the death rate. As the old saying goes, softee soartee catches the camel.
What happened at my class was that I could tell that there were "more questions than answers" but perhaps in the interest of powering through the some "serious bullshit" many just grunted, put their head down and scribbled some b.s. answers.
We are now the bug, bad, soft police.
The worse thing is that it's emphasized so much.
"THE 'SANCTITY' OF LIFE"
When the truth is that the "SANCTITY OF THE OFFENDERS" life is what is really focused on.
Forget this dude just tried to kill you or your partner. Now it seems like you have to hug the m.f. before he meets satin and you have to ask, what he wants on his tombstone.
Until more legitimate victims step up and demand justice, all the new SDSC centers will only serve to further erode everyone's 4th amendment and continue to enrich the crooked connected contractors and politicians.
Every man, woman and child for themselves.
Sorry. Not what what I signed up for but, this is what the sheeple voted for.
Lay in your bed.
DBEL
1st Video is about Jerry, a 65 year old white guy that move like a slow motion zombie. They gushed over what a great job the officers did stating the community was behind the officers, they received praise and an award. Believe me if Jerry were black the entire traveling circus of racial social injustice warriors would have been there to burn down the town demanding the cops be winning from the gallows. I say place JVD video next to it and play it side side. I won't argue the time distance and shielding portion of the training between the two or the 10 shots past the first 6. But the precious poster child was a much bigger threat closing the distance moving like a boxer in a ring bouncing on his heals displaying his knife that he already used to attack an occupied squad car. So it seems a little weird to shoot poor jerry, who while still dangerous, had much less ability then offender of pulaski ave.
The class for supervisors was as decent as could be.
The order and the changes coming down the line.......forget it. Police work is officially done . Any TRR instance will pretty much down a car for the tour. The fact you as an officer need to justify ever swing , kick, and punch you throw in a violent altercation in a completely different narrative othjer than the arrest and case is even more absurd . Now a lot has to conduct an investigation and interview witnesses and take statements as well. So while he's out of the station completing his tasks who handles the stacks of inventories and arrests pilling up? God forbid you are in a busy district on a weekend , you're screwed .
One last token of advice. DO NOT LET YOUR SUPERVISOR ATTACH YOUR IOD UNLESS THEY BLACK OUT EVERY PIECE OF YOU PERSONAL INFO AND JUST LEAVE THE IOD NUMBER AND YOUR NAME. that will be forwarded to everyone you don't want k owing your personal and private info. It shouldn't even be allowed legally to be attached under HIPPA laws.
the Department had to have an exempt member (captain, commander, inspector, etc) on hand to keep everyone in line.
Exempt member = a clout heavy, slow witted, above the law, never criminally prosecuted political hack...
One of the instructors who works on the west side mentioned a situation where someone was shot and officers used their tourniquet on the person shot and held their hand. The usual crowd that ensues after a shooting saw that the officers were being compassionate so instead of the usual ghetto crowd that always happens, they quietly went back inside.
LOL alright.
Just took the use of farce training and here is a training video that pretty much sums it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWTJ8iZr7ro
OT but worth talking about: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874207/ Baltimore police accused of faking evidence
BLAH BLAH BLAH...This again???
Police work is officially done
next up: Monty Python "Comfy Chair" sketch!
First of all, the department once again showed me why they are full of shit. Uniform, uniform, uniform...unless you want to wear shorts and a t-shirt. Half my supervisor group did not have uniforms. Not that I give a shit about wearing the uniform off duty and I fact I think it was stupid to decide that uniforms were "mandatory" since the training would be off site but if you say uniform and warn everybody for weeks to wear one then fucking mean it. The captain at my class made a point to tell everyone he had been an inspector and didn't say shit about the fact that half the people were not in uniform.
Secondly, I agree about the Charlie scenario. Old timer walking slowly towards officers who back up a little then blast him in the chest with multiple rounds. If Charlie were and elderly black man here in Chicago this would be a bad shoot. Period. Let's not bullshit each other. We've know each other too long for that, merit lieutenant.
And lastly, why are we using some outside groups' bullshit presentation? Were the amazing instructors at our academy and our own crack legal affairs not able to come up with a crappy PowerPoint themselves? Since the department is saying that JVD acted improperly and since we already paid out millions why doesnt the CPD just use the JVD video and show us exactly how it should have been done. Cut the bullshit and show us exactly how L McD should have been handled.
There was a Big Flashing Sign behind the Instructors Head on the black board saying
STAY FETAL AND YOU WONT HAVE ANY OF THIS BULLSHIT TO DEAL WITH !!!!
Were back to descalante. Dont use force unless used upon. Talk talk talk. And the p.o. instructor was apparently a wonder woman on the street. Everyone taleked to her and she was good in her beat. Hell she even solved homicides. Maybe thats why she was reawarded with an inside spot. Wouldnt want a p.o. to solve more cases than detectives. What a shame she should out there doing the fine police work shes known for.
The new trr is dwfinitwly a joke. Its will be a lethal use of force scenario everytime you do a trr. And dont forget to protect the lives of others. FUCK OUR LIVES. render aid and give him a cookie after.
New Lt coming to Mass Trans, the current Lt who hides in office than goes home after 3 hrs is going to 02, 02 Lt coming in his spot
Rahm just signed large contract for NERF police gear.
When it got to the part where you have to rat out your partner, they had some older blue shirt wearing his ribbons deliver the bad news.....otherwise it was sgts and above. Anything for an inside spot close to home.
After working shithole districts all your career, your absolutely right. The academy was begging for people to signup as presenters. I'm sorry you weren't more proactive, or just plain too stupid to sign up present yourself.
OT - This is a stitch. You know who is putting money up to fund McCarthy's alleged mayoral run? Walsh Construction. Maybe that'll guarantee that his campaign will be as uneven as the floors in HQ!
Fuck em. For every TRR fill out an IOD and chill at home.
Let them kill each other, who cares.
Jerry used to hang out at Beatrice's.
I took it and I thought it was a good class.
Knee jerk reaction to soon to be acquitted JVD
It's only going to get worse. It's true about the IOD, but I'll take it a little further, if someone orders you to put personal info in the report, stating its incomplete, then ask he/she to put it in writing. It's come to this, you almost have to have an attorney on retainer. I'm 29yrs. into it and have just yesterday, told a couple of relatives not to come on this job.
Fuck it, I'm so glad I'm off that job. Now if I can only dump this house.
"Non-use of force is a theory whose time has come. It is the right way to practice policing. For one,it will cool down tensions in the communities. Two it will lower the death rate. As the old saying goes, softee soartee catches the camel."
Thanks for the laugh You meant this as a joke RIGHT
This is a great refresher on use off force. I bothered to read the order. It appears to be allot like the old orders. Nothing really NEW. My instructors seemed legit.
If this isn't the final nail in the cofin of police work in Chicago. If you cannot realize this you will never get it until You go to jail and lose all you assets simply for doing the right thing. The Politicians hate us, and the citizens just keep voting for them, so we have to survive by staying FETAL. They have forced this on us. F--k them, this is what they demand.
#FightLikeJohnWick
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/massive-st-louis-prison-protests-no-air-conditioning-prisoners-now-complain-damn-cold/
Our society is so effed
After MASSIVE St. Louis Prison Protests Over No Air Conditioning — Prisoners Now Complain It’s Too Damn Cold!
Jeff Bettag Aug 2nd, 2017 5:54 pm 63 Comments
In late July a massive protest broke out at the Workhouse (prison) in North St. Louis.
Being sued, fired, or becoming a political prisoner of the left will haunt every decision. P.O.s will inappropriately resort to the lowest use of force option in an attempt to resolve deadly confrontations. Half the working department will perpetually be I.O.D. and the city's insurance premiums will skyrocket like Obama care on heroin.
Why, whenever the Dept needs a "new" block of training, does the dept. scrape the bottom of the barrel and bring these self righteous tools of CPD to teach upon the subject? They DO go on about their "experience" on the street all while they are avoiding the street by teaching at the police academy. What is the selection process for these minions of drones? M-F and Holidays off are only a start. Perhaps a 6 hour day is promised as well.
This smells like a bag of bad onions already. I wonder how the Supervisor who was selected to stand by and issue orders to stand down was selected. Future merit promotee? Watch the promo list for his name.
Something smells here, and it is not unusual to us.
Lesson 1:
KUMBIAH!
KUM BI AH!
Say it with me: KUMBIAH!
Now hug that poor misunderstood yuth that had such a bad childhood, and help him turn his life around won't ya?
Lesson 2:
You get more with honey than vinegar.... "please Mr. J/O, won't you please drop the knife? Pretty please? I really would like you to drop the knife. Everyone here is your friend? Come on, drop the knife."
Offer to give him a hug too...
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And so on, into the depths of Libtard Insanity.
This whole thing is going to get someone killed - likely a cop, maybe some bystanders too. In the face of this idiocy, it's best to remember:
F E T A L
"Forever Energized, Talking and Living" - yep, you don't get tired, and you go on talking and living with your loved ones because you don't engage savages, lunatics, the coddled and entitled masses when they engage in what they consider "normal" behavior.
Wait until it's all over, take the report of what they claim happened. Leave. Let "The Community" handle it.
I am willing to bet my pension that...none of these people have went " hands on" with a person high on PCP. It's a nightmare and usually a life or death struggle. Look at that incident in 015? Ask these sanctity of life people how to deal with this situation. Bottom line🤔You are expendable to the politicians more than violent dude is.
This is designed to catch you in a Rule 14 because they will demand detailed statements from all on scene. Everyone sees the same incident a bit differently from different angles, and they know that.
The entire process will result in you being charged criminally with conspiracy.
The only safe officers are those who are not on scene.........
- Correct, and since you are now required to make an official statement on your TRR report, immediately following the incident, and.... Arrest Reports, ISR Reports, Case Reports, It seems as though they are staging this intentionally to require several reports for the same incident, to try and catch some small variance to latch on too...
Anything from a trr and up call for a union rep lawyer to advise on the case report. Articulate exactly as advised by your legal rep according to the policy. Then when the mayor cowards to the balm and public ssshole you sue him for attacking you when you followed the policy he authorized. Just like suing the city and the police for violating the oolicy in place. As long as there is a policy you can sue against it. Don't say anything to a detective or any supervisor and don't write any paper until you have legal representation. Keep your mouth shut and lawyer up. And if/when they deny you that, document that as well. Follow the orders and the trading they give. Then articulate why you did what you did accordingly with your lawyer and sue for any backlash. Have to get with the times.
I'm so glad I retired. Still feels a bit weird getting a full 8 hrs. of sleep each day. My wife ( who still works) has stopped asking me what I have planned for the day because I'd say the same thing over and over.......WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT TO DO! Before, the 2 most important days of each month were the 1st and the 16th. Now it's the last business day of the month!!
Soon, we'll be heading south to a warmer climate and sub-tropical breezes.
Yes. Retirement is good.
I like how the instructors say don't worry nothings really changed much except the wording. Ya ok and crime is down
suggestions: a) anyone thinking about coming on the CPD.....don't, look elsewhere; b) anyone with less than 10 years on, get out, go elsewhere....c) anyone who can retire, do it; anyone close to retiring, stay fetal, make it the rest of the way toward retirement
If you do anything on this job you are a moron. Call me a dogass but I like my freedom and I like getting my paychecks 1st and 16th
In 2003,I responded to a Man with a knife chasing people he walked into the Liquor store at Argyle and Kenmore 20th Distrct,He stabbed a guy in line to Death,We got there after the guy was Dead,Can you shoot a Man with a Knife?
Stay fetal...trr and use of force was changed for your failure.
So, it's focus is 'Sanctity of Life' and the class pushes that it also means officer's lives. They can say what they want, but this is all about us not pulling the trigger on the bad guy. They (those who demanded our policy be changed, not the instructors) don't give a shit about officers.
This is really great roll with it! As a veteran copper this has made my life less stressful,and more carefree! I get in my explorer put my home depot sensitive carbon monoxide detector on dash test the batteries (very loud), take my rolling office to get washed and fueled, get something to read, get a hot coffee, set up dvd player find a nice quiet spot to park, monitor radio respond to calls as needed, rolling slowly obeying every law as required, do the paper advise warrants back to rinse and repeat philosophy!The only call I will ever go balls out is assist police,police family calling,or 10-1 otherwise it is all good! Sorry want to stay out of the 24/7 dishonest media cycle,and don't want to be the defendant in crook county court corrupt system!
Then over here we have the liberal snowflakes who have hurt feelings from Trump speaking truth:Trump argues he won New Hampshire because it is a 'drug-infested den'
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/trump-new-hampshire-drugs/index.html
Excerpt:
Trump's comments about New Hampshire drew a quick rebuke from the state's two Democratic senators.
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen tweeted that Trump needed to apologize to the state of New Hampshire and "then should follow through on his promise to Granite Staters to help end this crisis."
Wow just like rahm and the 50 plus tammy and dick all crying but doing nothing!We are definitely the "forgotten men and women" here in chiraq! With rahm taking "juice loans" for the pathetic cps,and refusing to enforce federal immigration laws costing us 01SEP17 hundreds of millions of dollars that was to be used for CPD vests,cameras,vehicles and other equipment where will these millions come from magic rahm?
New day, people. Adjust, or perish. Lots of other agencies are going through the same stuff, some have already been through 'the change' years ago now.
The first post at 12:27am hit the nail on the head - litigation is key to surviving and eventually nullifying this policy. And where is our new FOP administration throughout this saga? At this point, FOP should be vetting qualified attorneys who should be available to active members from the moment the Cabrini Kimesha shooting team arrives with the dancers from COPA. The policy of not being able to review any body or car video is designed to trick bag involved officers on the scene by collecting statements and searching for discrepancies. SAY NOTHING UNTIL A QUALIFIED ATTORNEY IS AT YOUR SIDE! FOP - get off your asses and prepare to properly defend your active members involved in an OIS.
Retired .38 spl +P
The instructors are worthless spewing this nonsense . They should be ashamed of themselves for wanting to teach it. Oh you worked in 11 or 15? But guess what you don't anymore and back then you were afraid of your own shadow gfy
Just an average citizen here who has been prevented from carrying arms of any kind for self-defense.... I'm guessing that Rahm's bodyguards do not have to undergo this kind of training and can blend a handsy assailant right into the pavement if they want, no justification needed, right?
I'm offended that Rahm et al think their lives are more valuable than those of the LEOs who really do go out every day to help even the worst people in society. Chicago and other blue cities are going to hell, and it is the voters' fault. I am frankly surprised that anyone still wants to be a cop these days. It's like being told to go fight ISIS and "here's your rolled-up newspaper; don't hit them too hard and hurt their feelings."
My prayers sure are with you (and the rest of the sane people).
If you get into any major incident. Go to the hospital. Tell Doctor you dont want anyone but family and lawyer. Say nothing else period. Everything is on camera, so shut up. Make no statements until released by Dr.
I think there should be mandatory training for the public on how to act when a police officer(s), doing their job, finds it necessary to interact with person(s), and what that person(s) is expected to do: Namely obey commands and act as if your life depends on it as it does! Officer(s) want to be safe themselves and go home at shift end, ALIVE! Also try not to do anything that might appear threatening toward the officer(s). A good idea might be don't move unless told to move. Boy now wasn't that easy?
Anybody go through the airport lately. No one questions TSA and they are violating a whole lot more than constitutional rights. Hell I got felt up for free the last time I flew!
I'm a Supervisor. Ive had the training. My point was plain and simple. Why does there need to be so much detail in the TRR?????????????? The videos spoke for themselves. The TRR should state SEE VIDEO!!!!!!! The officers in the first 3 videos acted within the law for the State of Illinois. The last vidoeo the officer is a fool and got what he deserved. The new use of force is set up to jam you on a Rule 14 violation. You make one misstep and The PO, Sgt, and LT are finished!!!!!!!!!!
The whole premise doesn't take into account that some sub-human, sociopathic individuals need to be put down for the safety and well being of all society. The policy fails in that we are living in a war zone and enemy combatants should not be shown mercy.
It's all over folks. Chicago is toast. In a short period of years all of the Liberal politicians will have left town with all of the loot they stole over the years. Detroit will look good next to wasteland Chicago.
This is what is being taught now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPELc1wEvk
Anonymous said...
When somebody gets hurt because per department policy an officer wasn't allowed to use force to subdue the offender there should be a lawsuit filed. Changing this policy and endangering the cops and the public has been way too easy for the politicians and ACLU. Sue them. Start pushing back at these people. Show them you will no longer be fucked with. If the ACLU can become powerful and organizations like BLM can become powerful then so can the police if you know what you're doing. You should be suing for everything. That's how the other groups got power. Cops are being persecuted but they think you're pushovers because you never counter with anything. Fight back! People will then be afraid to mess with you and you'll get more respect than you've ever had.
Not a cop
8/03/2017 12:27:00 AM
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Do yourself a favor and move out of Cook County. And if you have to come to the city for any reason then buy a gun. Trust me, you'll be safer and Kimisha Foxxx and her cracker jack team or the offender's family won't do a thing to you because you're not a cop.
This should help these numbers. Just read an article on the high crime in Cancun with its impact on tourism:
Quintana Roo state, where Cancun is located, recorded 133 murders in the first six months of 2017, more than double the total for all of last year.
In comparison, Chicago. which has the highest murder rate among big cities in the United States, recorded more than 400 homicides through July.
Did the NAACP issue a travel warning to Chicago?
Off topic, but how is it that Cook County can make up there own rules about enforcing drivers with a suspended/revoked drivers license.its absolutely apalling that this is being done. Its a mockery of our state and shows that county is screwed up.
Thanks
Angered citizen
ssc please print for all of our cpd vets
Since Gary Sinise brought Lt. Dan Taylor to life in Forrest Gump 20 years ago, he has committed his time and effort to honor our defenders, veterans, and first responders.
The annual Downers Grove Run Forrest Run 5K kicks off August 13 in Downers Grove. This event will support the Gary Sinise Foundation’s R.I.S.E. program on behalf of our country’s most severely wounded heroes.
hey cpd if your ablwe to attend and support our troops
gary sinise for mayor 2019
I have no using force again training next week. First thing that I am going to do is write the names and star #'s of all the instructors. All civilian trainers or whatever you want to call them, will also be documented.
Should the situation arise where I need to use force but the above instructors told me not to. I will present their names to my attorney for civil action against them and the department/city of Chiraq.
Document, document, document
I can not feel sorry for any officer that takes pro active police action. You know the cards are stacked against you. Stay fetal, respond to your calls and make the report. Anything else is stupidity.
The tough guys from the range and academy teach this shit just to keep their spot.
nonymous said...
The whole premise doesn't take into account that some sub-human, sociopathic individuals need to be put down for the safety and well being of all society. The policy fails in that we are living in a war zone and enemy combatants should not be shown mercy.
8/03/2017 01:04:00 PM
I guarantee you this guy wears a molly vest.
Crystal Meth Smith made an appearance and told us that she and gold stars have our backs so there was some humor in our class. Like force mitigation, the instructors push how if you have to use lethal force, as long as it's in the guidelines taught, you will be ok. Yet case after case is being reopened and broken down literally trigger pull by trigger pull. The department teaches one thing but you're still not covered if you act within guidelines. And once again the car is not a deadly weapon upon itself is pushed. So I asked after does that mean if I see someone getting shot, I can run the shooter over with my car? Per department statement, a vehicle is not in itself a deadly weapon. Therefore if I use it to run over a man shooting a gun (deadly force), did I not just use less than lethal force to stop an assailant? Just more of the same do your job, we back you crap.
Stay fetal. Less is more.
Retired guy comment. Rockford, Illinois police officer justified in shooting of woman who attempted to run him over with a non weapon automobile. SA office stated that the shooting was justified because "the officers life was in danger". Different county, different city, same state, different rules.
To Tracy Calder, your wrong it is the voters fault. They voted these morons in and now have to live with the fall out. Vote the idiots out or move or get a CCW. The life you save may be your own.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you get into any major incident. Go to the hospital. Tell Doctor you dont want anyone but family and lawyer. Say nothing else period. Everything is on camera, so shut up. Make no statements until released by Dr.
8/03/2017 11:59:00 AM
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Best advise I've seen yet. Don't tell on yourself! Use Hippa and a doctor's treatment to your advantage. Will you eventually have to speak to them- yes, but I'd rather have a few weeks to prepare with a lawyer before I fuck myself.
hey ssc for those of us near retirement a friend of mine not the police but from ill. retired and told me this place
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Board meeting at FOP yesterday. I was told that Dean Angelo asked to be paid $1500 for testifying at a hearing (for four hours)after he lost the election. Being given a $20,000 car for free wasn't enough. This guy is a tool. Does anyone know do past presidents get paid to sit on the board?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm so glad I retired. Still feels a bit weird getting a full 8 hrs. of sleep each day. My wife ( who still works) has stopped asking me what I have planned for the day because I'd say the same thing over and over.......WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT TO DO! Before, the 2 most important days of each month were the 1st and the 16th. Now it's the last business day of the month!!
Soon, we'll be heading south to a warmer climate and sub-tropical breezes.
Yes. Retirement is good.
Congratulations , enjoy your retirement. Just don't understand why you couldn't get 8 hours sleep a night when you were on the job
Anonymous Anonymous said...
suggestions: a) anyone thinking about coming on the CPD.....don't, look elsewhere; b) anyone with less than 10 years on, get out, go elsewhere....c) anyone who can retire, do it; anyone close to retiring, stay fetal, make it the rest of the way toward retirement
Suggestion. Let everyone make up there own mind. They are all adults
Came on in 1965 they suggested the same to me and all the other guys coming on. Said kid you won't make it 10 years. City and pension will be gone and C5 will put you in jail. Push forward 52 years later. I have raised a great family, probably stayed on the job longer than I should , am enjoying my pension and am in good health and financially secure because of deferred comp. enjoyed the job and it was good to me
8/03/2017 08:58:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why, whenever the Dept needs a "new" block of training, does the dept. scrape the bottom of the barrel and bring these self righteous tools of CPD to teach upon the subject? They DO go on about their "experience" on the street all while they are avoiding the street by teaching at the police academy. What is the selection process for these minions of drones? M-F and Holidays off are only a start. Perhaps a 6 hour day is promised as well.
This smells like a bag of bad onions already. I wonder how the Supervisor who was selected to stand by and issue orders to stand down was selected. Future merit promotee? Watch the promo list for his name.
If they love the street all you have to do is ask and fill out a par form, but you will probably get the same story they gave in my day. I didn't want this, they drafted me but I never asked for this and they won't let me go. Some things will never change on CPD
Oh, the best one is still around. No one was more surprised than me when the order came out and I was going to the academy. They actually say it with a straight face
"...the Department had to have an exempt member (captain, commander, inspector, etc) on hand to keep everyone in line."
– every MERIT EXEMPT that is. Toe that Company line, these morons sucking up to RahmFraud's Community Pander and Side Show or they'll lose that spot.
Feather pillows or Peace Circles.
Give them NOTHING more.
Stay Fetal.
One of the instructors who works on the west side mentioned a situation where someone was shot and officers used their tourniquet on the person shot and held their hand. The usual crowd that ensues after a shooting saw that the officers were being compassionate so instead of the usual ghetto crowd that always happens, they quietly went back inside...
I call 110 % bull sh-t on that story. !!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT but worth talking about: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874207/ Baltimore police accused of faking evidence
If this is the one where the idiot plants the drugs then turns on his body camera to record the find, and walks down the gangway to show that the camera will show how he legitimately found the drugs there is nothing to talk about.
Don't think he realized the body camera us like the squad car cameras that record 30 seconds to a minute before you turn on the canera
(OT) another liberal county kill a family and they throw out charges:
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/271758795-story
Hmm was offender another illegal invader?
I took the class last week... to be honest there wasn't any new info it's basically the same as it's always been. people just complain too much. The part about snitching was talked about for less than 5 min.. I think if you saw the 4th video most ppl would notify a sgt in this day and age especially with BWC.
""Cops are being persecuted but they think you're pushovers because you never counter with anything. Fight back! People will then be afraid to mess with you and you'll get more respect than you've ever had. ""
Yeah as if we all have $15k cash in our back pockets to roll on a law suite that will take 7 years to produce and will probably have a jury full of cop haters on it.
And dont even suggest our Union. LMAO, as if the Union gives a fuck if we catch one in the ass. Some people have this mistaken impression Police Unions have power for their officers. Well they might have power elsewhere but here they wont do shit for you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Non-use of force is a theory whose time has come. It is the right way to practice policing. For one,it will cool down tensions in the communities. Two it will lower the death rate. As the old saying goes, softee soartee catches the camel.
8/03/2017 03:33:00 AM
Um no. You go ahead and catch camels. The rest of us would like to get back to doing police work...you know, the stuff where bad guys went to jail and the homicide rate wasn't astronomical.
Anonymous said...
Fuck it, I'm so glad I'm off that job. Now if I can only dump this house.
8/03/2017 08:06:00 AM
Glad to help you with that. And 10% off our regular commission rate for all first responders.
www.BruceTheobald.com
Anonymous @ 8/03/2017 01:31:00 PM said...
"It's all over folks. Chicago is toast. In a short period of years all of the Liberal politicians will have left town with all of the loot they stole over the years. Detroit will look good next to wasteland Chicago."
Who is John Galt?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One of the instructors who works on the west side mentioned a situation where someone was shot and officers used their tourniquet on the person shot and held their hand. The usual crowd that ensues after a shooting saw that the officers were being compassionate so instead of the usual ghetto crowd that always happens, they quietly went back inside...
So do I no way that happened. I hoped everyone in class laughed at that instructor
Tell FOP to quit sending the pizza and donut guys to the station after a shooting incident. Start demanding a lawyer and not the goofs who show up.I was involved to two shooting and they sent out beer belly bella.Totally useless information. Now they have Farrell and another det from area 4 they send out. They can't make a bad shoot right. Wait until these two get caught up in several lawsuits. The back pedaling will begin. Lawyer up
(OT) more and more anti-police hate "I don't serve cops"
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/08/03/dunkin-donuts-employee-accused-refusing-service-to-nypd-officers.html
Another reason i always bring my lunch and coffee in thermos from home!
board meeting at FOP yesterday. I was told that Dean Angelo asked to be paid $1500 for testifying at a hearing (for four hours)after he lost the election. Being given a $20,000 car for free wasn't enough. This guy is a tool. Does anyone know do past presidents get paid to sit on the board?
8/03/2017 06:15:00 PM
i heard there was a roll call vote on it. next general meeting maybe someone should inquire.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have no using force again training next week. First thing that I am going to do is write the names and star #'s of all the instructors. All civilian trainers or whatever you want to call them, will also be documented.
Should the situation arise where I need to use force but the above instructors told me not to. I will present their names to my attorney for civil action against them and the department/city of Chiraq.
You sound like an idiot. Taking the names of the instructors. Their names are probably on a handout. And you think that is going to change anything. You think because of what an instructor said at the academy has any affect on an individual deadly force situation on the street. No instructor tells you not to use deadly force in a situation that has not yet occurred
I hope the city and CPD doesn't see your post. They will be shaking in their. Lots and will probably shut the program down
Since all this BS training is in response to JVD, which you are ordered not to discuss during your reprogramming session, use your noodle and learn from the out come of JVD. The courts threw out parts of Garrity and now your statements unless ordered by a supervisor, not a detective, can be used against you. No one can explain how IPRA or anyone else can now question you? Smartest course now is to have your heart checked out due to the large amounts of stress in use of force incident case, especially deadly force incidents. Allow reports to be generated second hand and all documentation has the Garrity warning with a caveat statement that the reports are being made by an officer, not on scene, and simply regurgitate information provided by supervisors or citizen and none of what is being reported is an original idea by the reporting officer. Take no responsibility for the information and identify ALL source because your opinions and investigations are all assumed to be criminal cover-ups in nature. Remember no conversations are protected with anyone, not even FOP rep (tell em the fu*king leave and bring your lawyer), if you are not talking to your lawyer, it is a criminal investigation into you. When the cop next to you fucks up, he will blame you to keep his own ass out of jail, believe me, I've been there a few times as gutless a$$holes with throw you under a bus to avoid a suspension day let alone being fired or worse. Just remember, If the rumor is true, one who ties their shoe while an offender is running around trying to stab officers will be hailed by the department as the only honest person on the scene. WTF. Do a book of parkers and screw the people of this city. Did you see anyone marching against BLM around city hall? NO. How did the people of this city and county vote? They voted in Rham, Lightfoot, and Foxx. You are fodder for the mobs to be lynched cause your life don't matter to them.
Shame on you all talking about those officers teaching.You talk about Protecting Our own but first opportunity you get you talk about officers teaching class and trying to be little them..We are own worst enemy and shows your character..Talk about having J.V.D back I doubt that you don't even have the back of an officer teaching. Besides that who do you want teaching us private citizens or to be outsourced to highest bidding..you make no sense.. Smh
Like we need this now, expect an indictment soon in Dupage County on a marked CPD vehicle with multiple Go Pro camera angles from a meaningless motorcyclist chase that ended up in Dupage County. The Dupage County States Atty is working with Cook County in tandem to ID the Officer and determine the exact locations of the incident. The victim/ offenders Defense Attorney is going to make an example in the media no matter what. This one is ugly and once again unnecessary and caught on cameras. Why?
Anonymous said...
""Cops are being persecuted but they think you're pushovers because you never counter with anything. Fight back! People will then be afraid to mess with you and you'll get more respect than you've ever had. ""
Yeah as if we all have $15k cash in our back pockets to roll on a law suite that will take 7 years to produce and will probably have a jury full of cop haters on it.
And dont even suggest our Union. LMAO, as if the Union gives a fuck if we catch one in the ass. Some people have this mistaken impression Police Unions have power for their officers. Well they might have power elsewhere but here they wont do shit for you.
8/03/2017 08:23:00 PM
I would NEVER suggest the union as they're in bed with the city and they look at the membership as a pain in the ass. They don't want to take your phone calls or deal with you unless you have an in there and if you do talk to someone they're condescending. On the other hand, have you ever consulted a private attorney? You don't know how much it will cost. You don't know how it will pan out. Start doing things differently. Break new ground. Change the world. Keep doing the same old shit you'll keep getting the same results.
Not a cop talking about suing:
This is a great idea and I'm not being fecesious. I've had a lot of minor injuries over the years that I never sought medical attention for or, when I did, doctors didn't do full work ups like they do when I bring CRIMINALS to them for bogus allegations. Some injuries have turned to chronic problems, mainly joints and some scars. In court the charges go nowhere or I settle for a plea because I'd rather be off the hook for a lawsuit than go to trial. Judges are indifferent because it's not their bodies being destroyed and, hey, it's "part of the job" to get banged up. I never really lost a fight or used force without just cause either and I'm in shape so it's not that I'm a complainer.
If I do get injured badly I would consider that option. The problem, however, is that we are held to a different standard under the law. For example, van dyke is being charged with 16 seperate counts of aggbat with a handgun. That is unheard of in court. A court is supposed to be fair and impartial. Even if he is guilty of murder, those charges signify an unfair and fully unprecedented series of charges, which alone signals a witch hunt. In our civil lawsuits federal judges are ignoring our fourth amendment rights by allowing invasive searches of all media and electronic devices without reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe evidence exists (ordering officers to turn over personal electronic devices, such as cell phones, personal social media account names and passwords). Imagine a civil lawsuit whereby a person was forced to do the same, without any compelling evidence. That's insane. Or if we arrested someone and ordered them to provide their social media accounts and passwords without any evidence of them utilizing it for a crime and, when they refuse, we charge them with crushing legal ramifications. That's insane.
Anyways, thanks for your input but we'd be fighting a losing battle I think.
Looks like I'll have to get shot in the leginstead of faceing a lawsuit
+++++
If it were that easy and not a lethal headshot I would say "it's worth it." My luck would be the leg shot would be the femoral artery. Better yet, I won't do shit per my new norm and not have to worry about lawsuits OR getting killed or maimed.
Anonymous lil george said...
Crystal Meth Smith made an appearance...
8/03/2017 04:47:00 PM
Crystal Meth Smith. Now THAT'S funny!
To anonymous who said he's in good shape because of his deferred comp, my cat can do better at investments than the brainless morons at nationwide. Take your money to a real professional and earn real returns. You will end up after tax with more money. TIAA would be a better deferred comp company, but they probably don't pay the organized criminal enterprise at 35th street the payoffs like nationwide does, so you are stuck with morons to handle your deferred comp. not all investment firms are created equal just like not all cars are equal. All investment advisors may wear suits, all cars have four wheels, but that's all they have in common. Good luck investing and earn real returns on your money, not nationwide returns
Anonymous said...
board meeting at FOP yesterday. I was told that Dean Angelo asked to be paid $1500 for testifying at a hearing (for four hours)after he lost the election. Being given a $20,000 car for free wasn't enough. This guy is a tool. Does anyone know do past presidents get paid to sit on the board?
8/03/2017 06:15:00 PM
i heard there was a roll call vote on it. next general meeting maybe someone should inquire.
8/03/2017 10:00:00 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dean Angelo = the man that can't manage money.
Don't you all remember when he had a go fund me set up to pay for vet expenses for his dog.
He couldn't come up with the $800.00 he needed to pay the vet!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Tell FOP to quit sending the pizza and donut guys to the station after a shooting incident. Start demanding a lawyer and not the goofs who show up.I was involved to two shooting and they sent out beer belly bella.Totally useless information. Now they have Farrell and another det from area 4 they send out. They can't make a bad shoot right. Wait until these two get caught up in several lawsuits. The back pedaling will begin. Lawyer up
8/03/2017 09:50:00 PM
Ahh Bella the guy who with his buddy FOP rep pushed cr number on another copper, copper took 2 days suspension on bullshit that Bella! How about loooking into Bella's background? Lots to see!!
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shame on you all talking about those officers teaching.You talk about Protecting Our own but first opportunity you get you talk about officers teaching class and trying to be little them..We are own worst enemy and shows your character..Talk about having J.V.D back I doubt that you don't even have the back of an officer teaching. Besides that who do you want teaching us private citizens or to be outsourced to highest bidding..you make no sense.. Smh"
Says a Chicago Public School Valedictorian.
Was that English you were trying to communicate in?
>>>Anonymous Anonymous said...
board meeting at FOP yesterday. I was told that Dean Angelo asked to be paid $1500 for testifying at a hearing (for four hours)after he lost the election. Being given a $20,000 car for free wasn't enough. This guy is a tool. Does anyone know do past presidents get paid to sit on the board?
8/03/2017 06:15:00 PM
i heard there was a roll call vote on it. next general meeting maybe someone should inquire.
8/03/2017 10:00:00 PM<<<
What cushy six-figure second pension job did/will Deano get now?
Thanks Tracy Calder
It was not bad. It just teaches coppers to be better writers and stresses that the old days of policing(which had miscreants in place) are over. Don't get your self in a bind. Do things the right way.
It's true! I went to a class and an Exempt came in, made someone get out of his chair and had them stand the whole class next to him while he sat and played YouTube videos of old episodes of Hunter. In Spanish! The nerve.
At one point when they came to the 'snitching' part, the Exempt took out a picture of the mayor, made each PO swear loyalty to the mayor and spit on a picture of their kids they were made to produce. Just as an example, the Exempt made one person admit to cheating on their taxes and ordered everyone in the room to report her. The Sgt had to pull the number and attach 30 to-froms It was horrible! I hope someone stops this.
Exempts were there to endorse the program. Some POs complained, but those are the same a holes that complain they can't get three free meals in a tour, stay down on a Parker all day and screw the rest of the watch. Same ones that are posting made up shit here, haven't attended the class and talk shit about felllow cops behind their backs every day. Probably never had to take risks and don't know how to write paper in the first place. Cowards.
Not much has changed apart from naming things we already do with new terms, and a much more detailed TRR. Probably too much detail. But that was done because POs asked for it over and over in focus groups.
One person posted about classes on reasonable suspicion and probable cause: very true, we should. More importantly, we need some basic writing skills classes now. Most cops don't know how to tell the story and include all of the facts. That's what kills us, over and over.
remember to indicate your training in every report. What training did you have when it comes to firing your weapon. Shooting at a piece of paper that has no threat to you or anyone else. No stress in that. They didnt teach you how a real scenario that justifies deadly force in every situation. So they never trained you properly to use your weapon.
They have not trained you how to deal with white, black, mexican, asian, polish, russian, indian, etc... either. each culture is different and there are a billion scenarios that an officer is faced with every day without the proper training.
If they fail to train, then sue the fuck out of the dept., the city, and all the other individual individually.
I have no using force again training next week. First thing that I am going to do is write the names and star #'s of all the instructors. All civilian trainers or whatever you want to call them, will also be documented.
Should the situation arise where I need to use force but the above instructors told me not to. I will present their names to my attorney for civil action against them and the department/city of Chiraq.
First things first. You are a idiot. Did you even read the order yet. The answer is probably NO. Read it idiot! It doesn't say you can't use force. It says be able to articulate your use of force.
I'm a Supervisor. Ive had the training. My point was plain and simple. Why does there need to be so much detail in the TRR?????????????? The videos spoke for themselves. The TRR should state SEE VIDEO!!!!!!! The officers in the first 3 videos acted within the law for the State of Illinois. The last vidoeo the officer is a fool and got what he deserved. The new use of force is set up to jam you on a Rule 14 violation. You make one misstep and The PO, Sgt, and LT are finished!!!!!!!!!!
8/03/2017 12:31:00 PM
Excellent point boss.
Non-use of force is a theory whose time has come. It is the right way to practice policing. For one,it will cool down tensions in the communities. Two it will lower the death rate. As the old saying goes, softee soartee catches the camel.
8/03/2017 03:33:00 AM
Um no. You go ahead and catch camels. The rest of us would like to get back to doing police work...you know, the stuff where bad guys went to jail and the homicide rate wasn't astronomical.
You and rest have a good time in jail. No sympathy for you. You have been told time and again police work as we knew it is over. Do you think I care about the homicide rate. If the people in their own communities don't care neither do I. As for putting bad guys in jail, half are out by checkoff. I think I'll go catch a camel with that other guy, sounds like fun.
If they love the street all you have to do is ask and fill out a par form, but you will probably get the same story they gave in my day. I didn't want this, they drafted me but I never asked for this and they won't let me go. Some things will never change on CPD
Oh, the best one is still around. No one was more surprised than me when the order came out and I was going to the academy. They actually say it with a straight face
That's your delusion pal. Some of us have done nothing BUT the street for18,19,20 years and are sick of it. I did put in a application. I did have a interview. I have nobody on this stinking job. No daddy, no honey, NO ONE. Looking at the contempt in the eyes of my so called fellow p.o.'s is no different than looking at any of the pieces of shit I've locked up, working the street every fucking day these past 20 years. I'm sorry you've done nothing with your career except for complain, mock and envy others. If looking at your ugly mug keeps me off the street, great. I don't owe anyone of you a explanation why I'm here except to explain a order we all have to learn. Listen if you want, don't listen, I don't care your a lost cause. My advice to anyone without clout. It's a harder route for you. You have to be twice as smart, work twice as hard and get it on your own and owe no one. The guy above is a sour pill and I am a street cop grateful to be off the street for as long as I can.
board meeting at FOP yesterday. I was told that Dean Angelo asked to be paid $1500 for testifying at a hearing (for four hours)after he lost the election. Being given a $20,000 car for free wasn't enough. This guy is a tool. Does anyone know do past presidents get paid to sit on the board?
8/03/2017 06:15:00 PM
i heard there was a roll call vote on it. next general meeting maybe someone should inquire.
You are writing about it. Why don't you inquire about at the next general meeting?
Drop a ticket, do a case, respond to jobs, and back up fellow officers. Can't get hurt or sued if you don't engage.
It's evident that the powers that be don't want people in jail or hurt or dies at the hands of the police whether justified or not, so we have this Order.
Crime will be getting worse because of this Order. We are sure to hit 1,000 homicides. And who will be the recipient of this Order? The good people of Chicago. But keep voting these demorats.
In ten years Chicago will mark a milestone. One hundred years of demorat rule. How's that working out?
Anonymous Phil the Thrill said...
To anonymous who said he's in good shape because of his deferred comp, my cat can do better at investments than the brainless morons at nationwide. Take your money to a real professional and earn real returns. You will end up after tax with more money. TIAA would be a better deferred comp company, but they probably don't pay the organized criminal enterprise at 35th street the payoffs like nationwide does, so you are stuck with morons to handle your deferred comp. not all investment firms are created equal just like not all cars are equal. All investment advisors may wear suits, all cars have four wheels, but that's all they have in common. Good luck investing and earn real returns on your money, not nationwide returns
Here's the article about Warren Buffets bet and might be of interest to deferred comp investors. A simple fund with low fees may outdo all the investment genius when all is said an done
http://www.businessinsider.com/vanguard-shines-in-protgs-1-million-bet-with-warren-buffett-2017-2
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have no using force again training next week. First thing that I am going to do is write the names and star #'s of all the instructors. All civilian trainers or whatever you want to call them, will also be documented.
Should the situation arise where I need to use force but the above instructors told me not to. I will present their names to my attorney for civil action against them and the department/city of Chiraq.
You sound like an idiot. Taking the names of the instructors. Their names are probably on a handout. And you think that is going to change anything. You think because of what an instructor said at the academy has any affect on an individual deadly force situation on the street. No instructor tells you not to use deadly force in a situation that has not yet occurred
I hope the city and CPD doesn't see your post. They will be shaking in their. Lots and will probably shut the program down
8/03/2017 10:06:00 PM
The instructors have a preapproved script to use in the class. The material has been reviewed by every civil rights group. They are mandated to stick with the script, nothing more. Most do not agree with the material but follow the program. Instructors are sued every week, so add your suit to the list.
f this is the one where the idiot plants the drugs then turns on his body camera to record the find, and walks down the gangway to show that the camera will show how he legitimately found the drugs there is nothing to talk about.
Don't think he realized the body camera us like the squad car cameras that record 30 seconds to a minute before you turn on the canera
8/03/2017 06:41:00 PM
Just FYI, not sure about the BWC, but I can tell you with certainty, the in car cameras are ALWAYS on. That is why for certain incidents, the Hard Drives are pulled. All turning it on and off does is put digital markers on the recording.
I also think our Dept needs serious improvements in Leadership and Training however, a lot of Coppers just like to bitch and moan about everything. It was said, multiple time, Sanctity of life refers to Coppers, Regular Joes and the Offender. Stop acting like they are teaching the only life to save is the bad guy.
Also, most of the NEW policies aren't new at all. They existed in Rules/Regs and other Orders. This change is smoke and mirrors for the angry mob, nothing more.
Calm down ladies and Gents, we will be ok.
Anonymous said...
I also think our Dept needs serious improvements in Leadership and Training however, a lot of Coppers just like to bitch and moan about everything. It was said, multiple time, Sanctity of life refers to Coppers, Regular Joes and the Offender. Stop acting like they are teaching the only life to save is the bad guy.
Also, most of the NEW policies aren't new at all. They existed in Rules/Regs and other Orders. This change is smoke and mirrors for the angry mob, nothing more.
Calm down ladies and Gents, we will be ok.
8/04/2017 02:54:00 PM
You're full of shit.
"Sanctity of Life" has been slid in place to protect
the catered-to mutts of this city from being rightfully
and lawfully dealt with by The Police in Use of Force encounters.
Sell your crazy elsewhere, child.
If this "Sanctity of Life" policy weren't such utter
pandering political bullshit, why is it only being
aimed at The Police instead of these m/fers literally
overtaking and cannibalizing the shit out of each
other on the streets of the South and West sides
in full view of all who have a functioning set of eyes?
>Crickets<
Go away...
The adults in the room are busy
fine tuning self protection and
survival counter measures against
you and yours...
Police Like You Have No Friends.
f this is the one where the idiot plants the drugs then turns on his body camera to record the find, and walks down the gangway to show that the camera will show how he legitimately found the drugs there is nothing to talk about.
Don't think he realized the body camera us like the squad car cameras that record 30 seconds to a minute before you turn on the canera
8/03/2017 06:41:00 PM
Just FYI, not sure about the BWC, but I can tell you with certainty, the in car cameras are ALWAYS on. That is why for certain incidents, the Hard Drives are pulled. All turning it on and off does is put digital markers on the recording.
You are 100% correct about the car cameras. Just finished a court case where the video from the car was put into evidence. To prove your point for the first minute you can see the camera working, cars and people are walking and driving by. At the one minute mark, think we were told the camera only goes back 30 seconds it's really one minute. Anyway at the one minute you can see the lights start flashing and the siren starts working and squad starts moving
If they love the street all you have to do is ask and fill out a par form, but you will probably get the same story they gave in my day. I didn't want this, they drafted me but I never asked for this and they won't let me go. Some things will never change on CPD
Oh, the best one is still around. No one was more surprised than me when the order came out and I was going to the academy. They actually say it with a straight face
That's your delusion pal. Some of us have done nothing BUT the street for18,19,20 years and are sick of it. I did put in a application. I did have a interview. I have nobody on this stinking job. No daddy, no honey, NO ONE. Looking at the contempt in the eyes of my so called fellow p.o.'s is no different than looking at any of the pieces of shit I've locked up, working the street every fucking day these past 20 years. I'm sorry you've done nothing with your career except for complain, mock and envy others. If looking at your ugly mug keeps me off the street, great. I don't owe anyone of you a explanation why I'm here except to explain a order we all have to learn. Listen if you want, don't listen, I don't care your a lost cause. My advice to anyone without clout. It's a harder route for you. You have to be twice as smart, work twice as hard and get it on your own and owe no one. The guy above is a sour pill and I am a street cop grateful to be off the street for as long as I can.
You got it all wrong. Wasn't directed to you or guys like you
I too spent almost 40 years on the job , most of it on the west side. I too the last few years found an inside job and I and everyone else knew why I took. I was responding to the instructors who won't say that but put on the show about how they were drafted and never wanted the job, which is bs
Damn I'm glad I had spinal surgery now, Hurry please 2019 so I can retire!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a Supervisor. Ive had the training. My point was plain and simple. Why does there need to be so much detail in the TRR?????????????? The videos spoke for themselves. The TRR should state SEE VIDEO!!!!!!! The officers in the first 3 videos acted within the law for the State of Illinois. The last vidoeo the officer is a fool and got what he deserved. The new use of force is set up to jam you on a Rule 14 violation. You make one misstep and The PO, Sgt, and LT are finished!!!!!!!!!!
8/03/2017 12:31:00 PM
Excellent point boss.
8/04/2017 09:00:00 AM
I am also a supervisor. "See video" is the easy way out. By writing out the PERSPECTIVE of the officer and PERSPECTIVE of the supervisor, we may actually have less lawsuits. I know its a little more work, but isn't our job to protect the people who work for us? By spending a little more time explaining the situation, may actually help our men and women. Remember,........ it is all about documentation now.
'm a Supervisor. Ive had the training. My point was plain and simple. Why does there need to be so much detail in the TRR?????????????? The videos spoke for themselves. The TRR should state SEE VIDEO!!!!!!! The officers in the first 3 videos acted within the law for the State of Illinois. The last vidoeo the officer is a fool and got what he deserved. The new use of force is set up to jam you on a Rule 14 violation. You make one misstep and The PO, Sgt, and LT are finished!!!!!!!!!!
The TRR is necessary for bond court and in other scheduled court dates where the officer(s) may not appear. Bond court is usually the following day after the arrest is made. In most cases officers are not present for bond court the very next day and the video may not be uploaded to commander the very next day. Besides the ASA has to subpoena the video from the Records Department and that takes time. The TRR speaks of the offender's actions and the officer's response. You couldn't figure that out Sup?
If you're not doing dumb sh-t you have nothing to worry about. If your partner does dumb sh-t then continue to worry. One of the objectives of the class is to teach you how to articulate your actions. If you are doing things that you can't articulate then I understand your tears. You've survived this long, and now you're crying about an order that's been in place; the only difference is you have to be accountable. BE READY TO JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS.... if that phrase scares you then continue to worry.
The TRR is necessary for bond court and in other scheduled court dates where the officer(s) may not appear. Bond court is usually the following day after the arrest is made. In most cases officers are not present for bond court the very next day and the video may not be uploaded to commander the very next day. Besides the ASA has to subpoena the video from the Records Department and that takes time. The TRR speaks of the offender's actions and the officer's response. You couldn't figure that out Sup?
8/06/2017 11:43:00 PM
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The TRR is not included in the court packet.
The TRR is necessary for bond court and in other scheduled court dates where the officer(s) may not appear. Bond court is usually the following day after the arrest is made. In most cases officers are not present for bond court the very next day and the video may not be uploaded to commander the very next day. Besides the ASA has to subpoena the video from the Records Department and that takes time. The TRR speaks of the offender's actions and the officer's response. You couldn't figure that out Sup?
8/06/2017 11:43:00 PM
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The TRR is not included in the court packet.
Nor should it be included. All you need is an arrest report and possibly a case report. It's a bond hearing, not even a probable cause hearing, let alone a trial. Any information a ASA needs for trial he gets a subpoena for
For self protection...all officers are required to use tiddly wings against violent offenders...and while on patrol you all must be aware of not hurting anyone's feelings. If any officer hurts feelings...retraining will be necessary.
OT - This is a stitch. You know who is putting money up to fund McCarthy's alleged mayoral run? Walsh Construction. Maybe that'll guarantee that his campaign will be as uneven as the floors in HQ!
8/03/2017 07:15:00 AM
Jesus could put up the money and support for Gary and he still wouldn't win.
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