Who is Lying Here?
From today's sun times article by our two favorite city hall water carriers - Fran "Hi Mayor!" Spielman and Frank "crime reporter" Main:
- "The Chicago Police Department leads the country in technology (sarcastic laughter added - SCC). We're looking for people who are computer literate. It would only make sense that one of the ways to reach them is through the Internet," police Supt. Phil Cline said. ("Ooo, they have the Internet on computers now" - Homer Simpson)
- The department is not experiencing a manpower shortage, [Personnel Cmdr. Brad] Woods said (emphasis and laughter added - SCC). Still, after going all of 2005 without entrance exams, the department will hold tests in February, May, August and November (can you say "hiring freeze?" -SCC).
- Ald. Anthony Beale (9th) is demanding on the spot scoring (emphasis added - SCC) of exams. Acting Personnel Commissioner Jacqueline King says city hall is looking at such a system, but it won't be available because of issues regarding "reliability."
We assume this means "reliability" as in "how many votes can this officer deliver?" reliable or "do we know this guy's daddy? is he reliable?" kind of way, because we've been taking scantron tests since the 70's and they just MIGHT have worked out the bugs by now. Does anyone else feel that Fank, Fran and Ms. King might just be colluding in a tiny little bit of prevarication? Reliable? Bwahahahaha.
And why are they letting coppers work for TIME AND A HALF on days off if they aren't short manpower in the precious DOC areas? Has anyone in Personnel tried to get time off in a district lately? We'd guess not, but we can remember a time not to long ago when a district could have every car manned (2 man rapids included), two wagons and two traffic cars up and STILL give 10 guys time for the night. Nowadays, they're lucky if a beat car doesn't have to take out the wagon and you can even field a traffic car. Not short manpower?
IF ANYONE KNOWS THE EXACT DATE AND TIME A BEAT CAR IS SENT OUT OF IT'S DISTRICT, CALL THE F.O.P. Show them how "not short manpower" they are.
And why are they letting coppers work for TIME AND A HALF on days off if they aren't short manpower in the precious DOC areas? Has anyone in Personnel tried to get time off in a district lately? We'd guess not, but we can remember a time not to long ago when a district could have every car manned (2 man rapids included), two wagons and two traffic cars up and STILL give 10 guys time for the night. Nowadays, they're lucky if a beat car doesn't have to take out the wagon and you can even field a traffic car. Not short manpower?
IF ANYONE KNOWS THE EXACT DATE AND TIME A BEAT CAR IS SENT OUT OF IT'S DISTRICT, CALL THE F.O.P. Show them how "not short manpower" they are.
posted by SCC at 6:00 AM
57 Comments:
And what will FOP do? Nothing. I called and was told there was nothing they could do.
We have to vote out of our modern day Capone known as our MAYOR!
QUEST #1: HOW DO WE GET TO WORK FOR TIME AND HALF ON RDO? DO WE SIGN UP SOMEWHERE OR CALL?
STUMPED P.O.
QUIT BITCHING ABOUT THE FOP....DINEEN, NOLAN, WHO CARES JUST KEEP CALLING..YOIU'LL GET MORE OUTTA THE FOP OFFICE BY CALLING AND COMPLAINING THAN U WILL CALLING YOUR ALDERMAN'S OFFICE
call the news. let them know about the false numbers and last minute roll call changes.
OKAY boys and girls.....The only thing that the FOP can do......is to make sure that the Officers who are send to the 011th dst. are DETAILED to that location via SENORITY. The FOP can not determine manpower deployment...This right or wrong is a command decision. So as long as 35th St wants this to go on "IT WILL"
Nice to know the suntimes has working computers beat cars don't
In 022 on midnights the wagon is 2212, we have atleast 4 10-99 units a nite, we almost never have a traffic car, and we haven't had a 2206 in over 8 months. And all summer they were sending 2211 and 2212 to 011 for for traffic detail. But again there is no manpower issues.
A better way to use computers to solve crimes.
I’m long gone from the CPD. I opened a detective agency in Arizona doing criminal defense on murder cases along with investigative work for TV news organizations.
I came in and took a short course through the IRE at Northwestern some ten years ago on computer assisted reporting. I learned how to grab government databases and abuse them with database management software called MS Visual Foxpro.
I took the entire databases of the AZ Department of Motor Vehicles, Voters roles, court records, assessors records, occupational licensing records, Hunting-fishing and boat records. No, I never got Arrest report data.
My first huge breakthrough came when I needed to find a suspect witness in a murder case the Scottsdale police claims did not exist. I had only the following information:
“Randy”
Male/White
30-35, 6’ 160lbs.
Dark hair
Unknown eyes
Probable Scottsdale resident.
He got a divorce two years before.
I took my databases and made the following query:
All males named Randall’s, Randy’s, Randi’s that were between age height, weight, parameters described that lived in Scottsdale and nearby zipcodes to Scottsdale.
I got a list of nearly 40 possibles. Next I used the Court database for divorce cases and after less than two days I had the correct suspect. My client was freed and spared a continuing nightmare.
This technique would help the dicks in any police agency.
Shortly after 9-11 happened I was asked to track down Hani Hanjour. He was the “pilot” hijacker of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. The FBI could not get his picture or figure out where he lived. KTVK-TV in Phoenix and ABC News asked me to find out about this guy. I ran Hani the normal way and could not find a driver’s license. Then I ran just the name Hanjour and nobody with that name ever had a license in AZ. Next I ran just Hani and got three hits. One was Hani Hanjoor. That was the correct guy. Hani had a brother and the FBI was all over him like a cheap suit.
When will the CPD start doing this stuff?
This is the Era of the Techno POlice. If you are real good on computers you are going to go along way on this job if you got clout. However I never seen a computer stop a bad guy and cuff him. Wait, thats what us assholes who do police work the REAL way are for. After you lock up the bad guy, the Gold Star clowns get on TV and thank CAPS and their innovative inside computer cops for gettin the info out on the streets. How far down the toilet can this Dept, leadership go?
Flash ! - Manpower being detailed to other districts story just hit WGN news at noon. Julian Crews was at a news conference given by various aldercreatures.
11/16/2005 11:49:06 AM
How is life on the darkside traitor?
Yeah, but it really was a nothing report. Nothing about cars being detailed to other areas of the City, nothing about paying coppers time and a half to patrol certain areas, nothing about certain areas (like ours) being left un protected at night. Just a bunch of aldermen with the usual beefs about the Police not being seen. If only they knew the whole story.
011, 014 and 025 have them...
Good. Now how about the other 21 districts and units.
BOMBARD the media likes of Fran Spielman and Frank Main with letters and e-mail. (REAL LETTERS are better) Show them printouts with the various cars that are detailed out to 011. It wouldn't hurt to aslo bug the crap out of our adlermen also.
To: 11/16/2005 12:12:49 PM
Before the REAL POlice can bitch-slap, cuff and toss the bad guy into the wagon he must forst find him! Thats were the Techno POlice come in. You need the Techno POlice too!
I guess I need to proof read before I publish!
It's first not forst!
Where, not were!
That's not thats!
man power shortage just showcased on CLTV, couple alderbeasts complaining.
025 dont have shit
Keep wasting your time on this blog. Me, I have two years on and a computer technology degree. I figure to be ordering your sorry asses around in the next few years. It is stuip shits like you that make it easy for me to move up the ranks.
Yes we have computer issues- as in not enough of them and not enough work. But CLEAR is one of the best police computer systems around. Over two hundred agencies now use it in some capacity, from the ISP, to the State, to the feds.
...and what the former copper said about linking databases...we've been doing that here for a looooonnnggggg time...
the bottom line is, just as with cars and other equipment- we're fricking huge. The suburbs can give each and every officer a shiny new glock and a new toughbook...we, unfortunately, aren't always able to keep everything up to date. That being said we are advanced enough that outside agencies routinely visit CPD for technology pointers and many have outright adopted our system or one like it...
...and agree with the comment that computers don't put the cuffs on people-there is no substitute for good policework, but they do sometimes make it much easier to find them...another tool in our toolbox
Can you believe this????? Recruits payroll was screwed up and the recruits who have families and had to shell out $2500.00 of their own money to get on this job wont get paid til 1DEC. The city that works!!!!!
Oh Shit!!
The fucking recruits are not bitching on this blog!!! You peices of shit have not even worked the streets for one day and the city is fucking you?
Cant wait to hear how badly the bosses, fop and mayor are screwing you when you have two years on.
If the budget from hizzoners office is the reason for the man power shortage, I have idea that might just work. We need more police on the street let alone in the districts. The idea is simple. It will work in every step of the officer's promotions, too. We have a lot of talented officers on the job and there are a lot of talented civilians out there in the world. Ready... here it is. Ease the education requirements. Or at least grandfather it in. The pay grade would be slightly less than what is in place now. The officers and potential officers would be paid at least 3500 to 4000 less (can be worked out later, more or less. probably a lot less in the view of the city) than what the CURRENTLY paid officer and recruits are paid at an "AS OF SUCH AND SUCH DATE" with out the college. Those with college, the pay stays the same as current. Once on the job, the officer's can get there pay up to grade with the completion of the college requirement currently in play. This can work in every step or promotion. Grandfathered Sgt's can get promoted at less pay. More police and easier on the budget.
The point of the educational requirment is to keep dumb shits off the job in the first place
Sir . Do you really think it keeps dumb shits off the job. The only difference is we get educated dumb shits who have no street common sense. They should promote on work performance and accomplishments. There are alot of talented hard working great coppers whos talents are being wasted because they dont have a piece of paper. Are you going to tell me Huberman would be a great boss because he is a smart man. Please, do you want a copper who has years of experience on the job, been thru the shit and is the real police to be the SGT handling your shooting or do you want the highly educated looks great on paper SGT who has not been involved in shit. I think we know the answer to that dont we.
If they want to have the educational req thats fine but I agree with the other poster, grandfather the older guys in who have paid the dues and know what being the police is about.
Good to see the media finally putting something on tv worth watching and the alderman making some noise. Funny thing was i didnt see any alderman in the areas where we all live making any noise. where was daugherty, banks. Go figure huh
There are a lot more dumb, scared shits with that met the educational requirements on the job. A piece of paper doesn't make you smart. It means your better at wasting time. This job doesn't need college to put dude in jail.
That has lawsuit written all over it! Once you start adding in conditional pay scales you start making everybody pissy. The argument could be made that the guy with a phd should be paid more than the guy with a masters so on and so forth. Next thing you know Mr. GED get a bug up his ass and sues everybody! Just drop the educational requirement to where they were before and be done with it. Less head aches and more applicants.
Has anyone else been having problems with the department not payong for college classes taken? I have been hearing rumors of people being denied their reimbursement for classes taken and receiving the passing grades of A's and B's.
Once on the job, the officer's can get there pay up to grade with the completion of the college requirement currently in play. This can work in every step or promotion. Grandfathered Sgt's can get promoted at less pay. More police and easier on the budget.
11/16/2005 04:11:48 PM
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Obviously written by a single guy. Sure pal. when are you going to school when your kids are going too? Who's going to pay for all that? Cause the Shity isn't quick on it's toes to give you the money for your classes.
Nope, married with kids and a mortgage and outstanding credit bills, just like everyone else.
4:05 Not a recruit asshole....you would be crying like a bitch if you didnt get paid for a month you stroke....get off the blog if you want to defend those pricks.....
While I earned a baccalaureate degree before my appointment to the CPD, I'll be the first to say that some of the sharpest police officers that I've known never advanced beyond a high school education.
I feel for the recruits if theyre not getting paid, assuming its true.
BUT why did they "shell out $2500 of their own money?"
$2500 for what? a bribe to the alderman?
You need to spend some of that uniform money once in awhile Officer 29years.$2,500 is what it costs now when you come on. That 6 shot Colt you paid 50 bucks for when you signed up is now about 6-700 dollars. The holster for your gun is about 125 or so. Stop in a uniform store some time. You will be shocked.
You want to move ahead in this department then go back to school!! You think that just because you pushed a beat car your whole career you are entitled to something more?!!! Just like saying I am entitled to more points on my exam because I am black. You were hired to be a POLICE OFFICER not a sergeant. You knew what you were getting into when you decided to work for the City. The City is your boss and can impose standards for those they want to promote. We all have to achieve those same standards.
The same guy who bitches about the black guy who got promoted because of his race is the same one who says he is being punished because he is not getting extra credit for working a beat car. If you cant follow that logic you are too stupid to be my boss.
alderman Burnett says people moving out of CHA are not criminals and he grew up in CHA and is bothered by people saying this . He would have a lot more credibility if he wasnt a convicted armed robber
You would have a lot more credibility if you posted under your real name.
04:11, I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure that this is what Boston does. Maybe New York too.
Paying differential for what you want of employees is fine under the U.S. constitution, as long as its not related to immutable characteristics (i.e., those you were born with).
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a $1,000.00 annual bonus for veterans... and I'm not one.
But anything you'd pay more for should also be given some bit of consideration in "merit" promotions. Fat chance in this city.
do you need to come to the Academy the first day with a weapon and a holster?
I wont elaborate on how many times I damaged or soiled my uniform/ equipment
So I know about the uniform store I was just curious as to why they needed money up front
As I said i feel for someone who is paid late ( a month or more seems a bit ridiculous but I cant refute that)
As an aside we started on the 3rd of the month and got paid on the 14th But that was before the new payroll company got in here
By the way The Smith and Wesson I paid $189 for was bought with a $300 annual uniform allowence.
And a $13,200 starting salary.
And no duty availability check, no BFD/PD sell back , take the money on a holiday check or time and a half for overtime check either.
Not complaining just explainining
Hey! Don't knock my alderman Walter Burnett! He's helps Hizoner feel tall. Never figured out how he's my alderman when his office is almost 5 miles away.
You need your weapon now un the 2nd week.
3:50 has a computer degree and can't spell, lol.
The high ranking offier here again. Just wanted to let you know what I think of all of you: BLOW ME!!!
O.K., boss. Does that mean I'll be an exempt?
Hey, I'm an exempt the outfit and politician made me (one in the same) and you'd better behave or else. Your union is useless and me and my fellow exempts are next to god.
4:11
hey I got an idea.
$2500 to buy that turtle gear (riot stuff), helmet and I forget what else...I have family that works there...It's BS that the department isn't buying the stuff, or at least give them time to get it... What the hell do they need riot stuff for right now
In the first month on the job a recruit needs to have his/her entire uniform! It costs way more that $2500.00! Try double that! They can borrow $2500.00 from the Credit Union though!
But the point of the post is that they were hired last Monday in OCT. and they are being told that they may/may not get a check on Dec 1.
Now keep in mind that some of these recruits have families to support/food/utilities/mortages/carpymts., etc.
They have no insurance for the first 30 days/no dental coverage/no vision coverage.
Some F*UCK UP in Finance did not do their job and now 100 people have to WAIT for pay! That is nothing more than BS!
If it was any of you - what would you do?
Hey inside housemouse yellow bellied coward. The computer doesn't tell u where the bad guy is. I bet you never heard a shot fired at you, you inside useless bitch. Yea computers are only one of many tools we use but there is no substitute for good police knowledge that comes from working the street and looking for and locking up bad guys. Now go run arrest stats for Nov. you inside suck ass coward.
Why should a Sgt. without the credit hours make less that a Sgt. With them?
Why should they get paid less for doing the same job as some jagoff that has a piece of paper stating he/she studied basket weaving for four yeras?
Women have been making this argument since the sixties.
10:42,
You're such a shining example of "The Real Police" When I grow up I want to be just like you. Buy a clue would you!
Let me know how that first "Civil Rights violation" lawsuit feels when you're deposed at 30 N. LaSalle. Let me know what you're drinking too, because I'll buy that first whiskey for you. Been there, done that, got the ulcer and puked it out.
Go ahead, have fun runnin' and gunnin' for the Part 1. My fat silly ass will be sitting there running the November numbers that fools like you keep generating!
Big Phil ought to offer prizes for the most contact cards written. Maybe a free toaster after every 1 thousand cards submitted
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Wow! That was so intelligent you almost made sense. I bet you have a pretty hard time working with anybody the way your attitude shows.
Only sued twice? I'm a little concerned because usually after the first lawsuit most intelligent coppers realize that this b.s. isn't worth it. How many more lawsuits can you get before you realize that?
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