Sergeants to Join FOP?
Could this be a good thing?
SecondCitySarge is covering the angles.
Join in here or there - good idea or bad? Since a large number of Sergeants are members of both lodges, there would seem to be quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the PBPA union. Thoughts?
SecondCitySarge is covering the angles.
Join in here or there - good idea or bad? Since a large number of Sergeants are members of both lodges, there would seem to be quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the PBPA union. Thoughts?
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
60 Comments:
A bit O' History
Back when the Sergeants, absent of any type of Union [That includes the Lt's & Capt's too] finally after decades of trying to change the law that allowed them to [finally] unionize were polled....
FOP was the choice by 98%+ of those polled. It was FOP, under Nolan, that screwed with the white shirts that left them with the choice of......get screwed by Nolan, pick an alternative or LOSE the opportunity to unionize.[There was a deadline]
The Bosses chose PBPA, while NOT a bad union, out of desperation, as anything was better than NO union or FOP [again stressed under NOLAN rule] PBPA won out.
Now, with an opportunity to rejoin their original option under a seperate chapter [in unity there is strength] some people still hold the NOLAN grudge vs. FOP in general.
Associate this with the conflict in the Fire Dept. after the strike.
Every person had their own reason/justification as it affected them, thus their individual opinion.
I only relate the history here in an attempt to put some backround to the reason why the bosses and FOP seperated.
[Keep in mind that 'prior' to the state law ultimatim {unionize by given date or lose it} WE as a group only knew and therefore wanted FOP] It was politics as usual and the city loved the 'Divide and Conquer' vote that resulted.
Instead of the usual....blue vs. white shirt BS often posted here, I hope WE as a TEAM do what is best for the POLICE(.)
Let's wait and see and reserve the 'unnecessary' blanket divisive postings until we revue and hopefully do 'the right thing!'
REMEMBER THAT THIN BLUE LINE!
the ol' vet
P.S. Happy and Healthy New Year to All!!!!
THE STATE POLICE TROOPERS AND SGT'S ARE BOTH IN THE SAME FOP LODGE( #41). SEEMS TO WORK OUT OK. I'VE BEEN READING THE BLOG ABOUT THE MANPOWER SHORTAGE FOR CPD. ON I-55 AND I-290 THERE ARE USUALLY 2 TROOPERS ON PATROL ON EACH E-WAY FROM LAKE SHORE DRIVE TO THE COUNTY LINE (WEST OF I-294). 17-19 TROOPERS PATROL ALL THE E-WAYS ON 3RD WATCH FOR COOK COUNTY (DISTRICT CHICAGO). WHEN ONE IS TIED UP ON A CRASH OR ARREST THERE MAY BE ONLY ONE GUY OUT THERE PER E-WAY. ISP DISTRICT CHICAGO IS DOWN ABOUT 100 TROOPERS. THANK YOU TO ALL THE CPD GUYS WHO BACK US UP.
It has to happen..if not FOP then I'm sure...other venues will win out for them.
The grass is always greener on the other side. The FOP sucks too. The FOP boys are all about "Show me the money."
The Sgt's should not be a part of the FOP. Donahue and the boys are way to self-seving to represent more people than they already do. Please explain why Donahue makes D-8 pay and the boys make D-5 and get paid for attending meetings. If the Sgt's join would Donahue and the boys take even more money? Remember when Donahue endorsed Lisa Madigan over Joe Birkett even though the members of the union political action committee voted 5-3 to support Birkett. Why should people be paid to be members of committees if they have no power to make decisions.
Residency cannot be negotiated by state law. However, an exemption to taxes that result from residency are not. Demand a waiver from all taxes associated with residency(property, city sticker, utility taxes, cable, cell phone, etc...) The city would be hard pressed to make the case in front of an arbitrator that the average property tax rising by 41% is offset by a three percent raise.
All unions should immediately inform the city that they will request arbitration upon expiration of the contract. It is a direct benefit to the city to take years of negotiating the contracts with interest accruing for the city. Take a hard line, Asking for what is fair is a sure way to get less than what is fair. EX: 4% is average ask for 5 because the city will not offer 4 they'll offer 2.5 and come up to 3 and say they are trying. Maybe we should start at 6. The arbitrator has one job and that is to stay employed as an arbitrator. They almost always split the difference on the big issues so neither side can say that they were harmed too much. Thus neither side says that the arbitrator was too bad for them.
People please stop bashing each other. Politics is and has been part of the department forever and it won't go away because we call each other names. Sure are some people denied opportunities while other less qualified people get them...of course. But that does not make the recipient of the perk a mope. The system is. If you are in a unit regardless of which one there is a very good chance that someone a little more experienced may not have been able to get there. Being there does not make you better, just more fortunate.
It's time to stick together. The last eletion showed that the FOP carries the weight of a flea with its support or lack of for candidates and they all know it. This is likely from not sticking together. It's time to make it better for all os us.
The FOP can't do anything for patrolmen, why would Sgt's want to be part of our Friends of Phil!
No way(conflict). white shirts we po's got enough on our plates. Are you kidding these people obtain cr's on us over and over again I have been fuckd over by a sgt/company man. don't do it white shirts are management thats why the dept puts them in a white shirt.
What does it say to the membership when the sergeants purchase FOP books because their union is so screwed up?
I say strength in numbers. Now all we have to do is get some people in fop that wont kiss daleys ass!
Back the 1980's when the Sergeant's Association was forming plans to unionize the idea was always to be Lodge 7A of F.O.P.
The President of the lodge, John Deneen queered the whole deal by making the package of benefits for Sergeants worthless. No representation on the board, no this, no that, we would have been paying the dues for nothing.
Why, because the city and Deneen and the rest of the board did not want to let in a voting group that had it's own agenda. Possibly ousting one or more of them from those prime positions. It was very bitter for the Sergeants and raised a lot of anger. John Deneen lost the next election, he was hooted out of the Sergeant's Association meeting where he came to ask for the vote of those who were still F.O.P. members.
Where is Deneen now?
Fuck that!! The FOP doesn't do shit for the PO's why would I want to join that??
Hell yea I think the sergeants should join the FOP. MISERY LIKES COMPANY. WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK? FOP DOES NOTHING FOR US, MIGHT AS WELL INCLUDE THE SERGEANTS. WAIT, NEXT YEAR I GOT A LOT TO SAY HOW THE FOP SPENDS OUR MONEY ON THOSE OUT OF TOWN TRIPS. I WOULD SPELL IT OUT RIGHT NOW BUT SOME PEOPLE GOT TO WORK FOR A LIVING AND I START WORK PRETTY SOON IN THE 24TH DISTRICT. FOP STANDS FOR F*CK OVER POLICE.
(SCC;
Please reprint the below posting so we can show our view on this particular 'rant'. Thanks )
At the local level in regards to contract negotiations and filing grievances; there is not much difference between the PBPA and the FOP.
HOWEVER, many of us feel the FOP is the “organization” that should be leading the Chicago Police Sergeant’s Association. The FOP is the largest nationwide organization with the biggest voice in Washington D.C. and in Springfield when it comes to IMPORTANT issues such as pension and police officers rights. WE NEED TO BE PART OF THE FOP. Do not get confused with the current Chicago Lodge #7 which represents all D-1, D-2 and D-2A members. We do not want to be part of Lodge 7 and it’s members do not want us in #7 understandably. We need to form our own Lodge. With 1300 sergeants we would be the 2nd largest lodge in Illinois.
On a few occasions PBPA state lodge representatives have come to sergeant’s meetings and to put it mildly, these guys are in a cloud when it comes it any issues that they should be working on downstate. They have admitted that they are just fraternal representatives and they have great looking golf shirts with neat PBPA logos on ‘em.
Our 1st issue as of 2007 should be to go FOP – our own lodge.
Next, through changing the bylaws, strengthen the position of president and pay him more money – this will attract a few more competent, smart sergeants willing to run for president and travel to 39th and Ashland everyday to do a good job for all the members.
The FOP represents about 10,500 full working members. President Donahue of Lodge 7 makes ADS/D-7 pay, $140,000+ a year. 5 other FOP elected police officers are allowed by the department to work FULL time at Lodge 7 and they make Captain/D-5 pay, $100,000+ a year. The Sergeant’s Association which represents 1200 members should be allowed by the city to have at least 2 more full time sergeant’s working. (This should be addressed at contract negotiations) Once the mortgage is paid off on the sergeant’s building at 39th and Ashland, the 2 additional sergeants could be paid more money.
With 3 FULL TIME MEMBERS .. they can spend their time fighting and fucking with the city like their supposed to. Give the pricks at headquarters and city hall chest pains etc. so they can die early. I know it sounds cruel, but that’s want GOOD, COMPETENT union officials are supposed to do. After all, the “city” wants to fuck us first ! ! !
The sergeants should NEVER join the FOP.. remember how Nolan and the current crew screwed to P.O.s so many times?
And we should have to pay the President More money. Sgt’s pay is enough.
well i welcome the sgts its not like their management anyway.
SGT CAN'T
GIVE RAISES
FIRE YOU
CHANGE YOUR WATCH
CHANGE YOUR DISTRICT
PROMOTE YOU
HELL WHAT DO THEY DO? LOG YOU IN, THAT SO 1950'S.
HONORABLE MENTION OH I FORGOT THEIR 2 BUSY 4 THAT UNLESS THEY ARE PUT ON THE PAPER ALSO.
I NOTICE ALOT OF DISTRICTS HAVE REGULAR OFFICER WORKING THE DESK AS SGTS. AND THE WORLD HAS NOT FELL APART. HMMM OUT DATED PERHAPS?
Should we join FOP(F@#$ Our Police). Deceased Lts. O'Neil and Nolan would roll over in their graves if FOP became the bargaining units for Supvs. Please respect their memories! Bill Nolan attempted to screw us Supvs. Put an end to this. Mark Donahue worked for Bill Nolan. Where was he then. MARK DONAHUE STOOD SLIENT!
The only way sgts will join is if they have a seperate lodge.
Lodge #7 would be smart to allow this. Now instead of having 11000 FOP members from Chicago there would be over 12000. This would be a much stronger voice.
To bad egos get in the way.
Off the topic...
Does anyone know what was going on at 52nd and Moody this morning? I saw the 008th District tact team with their raid vests and battering ram. It's good to see you guys knocking in doors in the hood! Keep it up!
Anonymous said...
well i welcome the sgts its not like their management anyway.
SGT CAN'T
GIVE RAISES
FIRE YOU
CHANGE YOUR WATCH
CHANGE YOUR DISTRICT
PROMOTE YOU
HELL WHAT DO THEY DO? LOG YOU IN, THAT SO 1950'S.
HONORABLE MENTION OH I FORGOT THEIR 2 BUSY 4 THAT UNLESS THEY ARE PUT ON THE PAPER ALSO.
I NOTICE ALOT OF DISTRICTS HAVE REGULAR OFFICER WORKING THE DESK AS SGTS. AND THE WORLD HAS NOT FELL APART. HMMM OUT DATED PERHAPS?
LOL, sounds like someone is a little bitter that they didn't make Sgt. so now it's a wasted position....
Join FOP but be a different lodge, not affiliated with Lodge 7.
The Firefighters union includes all ranks below exempt. That is up to and including Battalion Chief.
The firemen are all in local 2 up to the rank of Bat Chief, I believe
FUCK THE SERGEANTS-THEY SHOULD GET THEIR OWN UNION! ITS BAD ENOUGH TO BE SCREWED OVER BY THE FOP BUT TO HAVE THEM & THE SGTS AGAINST US?!
What the hell is wrong with you people. Sgts are white shirts. (management) the powers to be don't need any more rats. Allow them to join fop ,then we are really fucked another system to treat them different,If you get into some shit with a sgt and you are both fop members. GUESS WHO WINS. think about it Management white shirts treated as such by this dept.
In reference to 52nd and Moody it was the Area One Gun Team executing a search warrant on a Ambrose. Recovered some crack cocaine It was nice to have the neighbors come out and thank us for taking care of the problem
Ambrose at 52nd and Moody? if that is the case, the party is over in that hood....
It's my understanding that if the Sgts join FOP they are seperate from lodge 7 they would have their own prez and board, constitution, by-laws etc...
They would just be FOP as opposed to PBPA. They would contribute to the state and national lodges and it would give us more voice as a single organization.
Mark $'s donahue don't need more money!
You ever seen him in a district?
At a Shooting?
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The sergeants should NEVER join the FOP.. remember how Nolan and the current crew screwed to P.O.s so many times?
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NO, NO.. you don't understand.. of course LODGE 7 is crap.. We know, We know.
We would have OUR OWN LODGE.. NOTHING TO DO WITH #7 and company. ANY LOCAL UNION has the potential to become corrupt, PBPA, FOP AAOP, whatever. At that time it’s necessary to vote out the excess baggage of that local lodge. I am saying having the "FOP" in name is better for representing us in Springfield and Washington D.C. As for those who run our local shop, it’s up to us to vote in someone competent. Don't think the national or state FOP, Teamsters, or PBPA will make a great difference in contract, grievance, or arbitration issues.. it’s UP TO OUR LOCAL LODGE whether it’s FOP, ABC, PBPA whatever.
You really have to look at the whole picture.. Pension issues, Police Officers rights etc, the name itself "FOP" is the only one recognized by these politicians.
And by the way, don't ever think having the Teamsters would help us.. it would be a disaster. The oldest, largest union known for its corruption and getting in bed with city would never help us.
It would be to great advantage if Lodge 7 wakes up and allows the 1300 sergeants form their own separate union. In time both SEPARATE lodges can work together as a LARGER representation of Chicago Police FOP members that can go downstate and Washington and be recognized as the second largest police department in the country.
AND STOP GETTING CONFUSED WITH FOP LODGE 7 ANF OUR OWN POTENTIAL FOP LODGE! ! ! The sins (or alleged sins) of LODGE 7 have nothing to do with the our own FOP.
. . . And we should NOT have to pay the Sgts President More money. Sgt’s pay is enough. . . .
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The reason you have to pay the President more money is HOW you hold someone more accountable. I make sergeants pay and work in a ghetto district. I’ll be honest, I don’t do much. I get to work in ½ an hour, have my coffee, go to a 10-1 when someone needs help and get the hell out when I’m done. SO WHY, WHY would I ever what to travel to 39th and Ashland and deal with 1300 crying adults and the jag-off city for the same pay when I can be sitting in the hole watching 2 DVDs a day? ?
Remember the Stone Park Police a few years ago? They made $13,000 a year back in 1997. Just about all of them were corrupt! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!
If you offer more money there may be some intelligent, competent sergeant out there who would be more willing to run for President if the money was there.
We have to stop thinking like cheap-ass coppers and wake up ! !
Forget FOP #7 for all---Lets get the Teamsters and get some real results.
Anonymous said...
What the hell is wrong with you people. Sgts are white shirts. (management) the powers to be don't need any more rats. Allow them to join fop ,then we are really fucked another system to treat them different,If you get into some shit with a sgt and you are both fop members. GUESS WHO WINS. think about it Management white shirts treated as such by this dept.
12/30/2006 11:23:44 PM
Troopers Lodge #41, patrolment- captain and Firefighters local#2 firemen - battalion chief both have rank and file and management Not a problem for them....So relax Francis, nobody hates you.
I hear a lot about an us against them attitude here. Stated is that Sgt.'s get CR's on P.O.'s. Truth be told, the P.O. is the one that got the C.R. on themselves and the Sgt. is only doing the paperwork as he is required to do as per G.O. You fuck up (not make an honest mistake) and it's the Sgt's fault. Kinda sounds like the animal, don't it?
That said, if you only had any brains at all, you'd realize that Sgt.'s cut off and smooth out over 90% of all beefs by cajoling and getting letters of declinations signed. This is done, sometimes, at the risk of being beefed themselves.
Sgt's are out there with the P.O.'s. If you really believe that Sgt's (I'm talking about the majority as assholes are everywhere, even in blue shirts)are only out there to fuck with you, you are the most paranoid asshat in the world and shouldn't even be out here.
So, if you really believe what you are saying over reason, nothing anybody can say that even approaches reason will matter so you can go fuck yourself.
FYI, I am a Sergeant and have gotten CR's for trying to shield my guys, and have kept them out of the CR. Know what? I'd do it again in a New York second. I come in to act as a pulling guard and you guys are the ball carriers. I try to open a hole for you to go through by advising you and reigning you in when you get a little out of shape. I act as the voice of reason and sometimes, I get out of shape like you and a LT comes in to save my ass. We are all in this together. A ball carrier that constantly runs out of the hole gets creamed a lot, has low yardage and a short career.
Memo to 12/30/2006 12:40:47 PM
I hear that Dineen is working for the FOP as some sort of consultant on pension issues. Always was a piece of dung who never did anything for us but sure did well for himself. My favorite memory of him when a Loop Traffic guy walked up to him in front of the Hilton when we were on a Presidential visit detail and called him every ^&@%$$ in the book. This was right after he was voted out of office and got assinged to the Intelligence Division. We all know what it takes to get assigned there. This Traffic man told him if he was any kind of union president he would be assigned to 011 after his loss because he should have pissed off so many bosses in doing his job and fighting for the membership. The big Irishman got red in the face and the Traffic man told him flat out "go for it if you got the nerve." He whimped like he did in his union presidency. Dineen, Nolan, Donahue all share the same Irish bullshit creed, screw the membership and take care of the "Old Sod" boys. Kick em out and get some guy in there who's not afraid to confront Little Rich or Phat Phil.
10:58:42 staes some very good points.....Are you reading this Mr. DonaGoof?
To 12/31/2006 02:31:03 AM,
Fuck you greaseball. Unlike the truck drivers even the softest copper knows better than to allow the outfit to control and pillage our pension fund and deminish our health benefits. Hey Guido, go back to Joe the Tailors with your five foot tall stacked heel mudball sellout friends. I'll kick your ass if I find out who you are!
I say we all at once, elect to leave the fop. Start as much nonsense as we can. The more you bitch the more you get. Oh I forgot, we are a bunch a goofs that dont stand up for ourselves...never mind then.
The FOP does not do ANYTHING for us now, why would we want to give them more strength, when WE are thinking about switching UNIONS. They are HORRIBLE, every one at once should cancel their DUES< and then see where that leaves them. They are too busy setting up their spots for when they retire, and DONAHOE is the worst of them.
let them fend for themselves we are just fine.
What does it take to get you silly boys to understand we are not the fire department. I for one happen to be sick and tired of this dept and others making comparisons. A police officers job is unique. ( firearm, pubic disorder, keep the peace, someone out their trying to kick your ass or kill you, 52 hrs work week 6 days, I can go on and on. systematically violent. stop it we are not the fire dept or any other job. JUST THE POLICE
Thank you for confirming . . Coppers are some of the dumbest people around.
DOES ANYONE UNDERSTANDING THE FOLLOWING ?????????
If Sergeants go FOP they would be a separate lodge?? I.e.; Lodge #65? The patrolmen are Lodge #7.
DO YOU ALL FUC%ING UNDERSTAND? They would have nothing to do with Lodge 7 and company?
You guys who badmouth us lowly sergeants are TRUE IDIOTS.
How many sergeants go out of their way to screw with you? Sure, there are always a few goofs out there. However, to be honest I see an awful lot more moronic P.O.s. (Just check out the few dozen that get fired every year for doing ludicrous things like passing phony million dollar checks.)
If you are jealous, study harder to try and make the 70% “semi-legitimate” sergeants who got promoted. Or find some clout, kiss ass, and make the 30% “B.S. merit” group of pretend sergeants.
Either way, don’t fu%k with me and I won’t fu%k with you. Also, don’t call for me cause sleeping in the hole.
Keep your friend close. Keep your enemy closer. don't sleep with the enemy
Originally the supervisors wanted to be FOP. A seperate lodge from Lodge 7. However lodge 7 blocked that because they wanted the supervisors as part of lodge 7. Since Lodge 7 is the largest FOP lodge in the country they were able to block the white shirts from getting their own lodge. Lodge 7 wanted the white shirts for the power and the additional dues. Instead the white shirts elected to go with the PB&PA. So far that has worked out pretty well for them. Some Sgts were upset that they lost in the D2A pay separation increase and because it took so long for them to settle with the arbitration. Well the Sgts took so long because that is what sergeants who were surveyed wanted. Lt.s and Capt.s didnt expect to win this so they didnt hold out for it. Don't be upset with your union for doing what you wanted it to do.
Don't sit there and bitch if you havent been to a meeting or even know that the Sgts president ran unapposed because to one ran against him. The recent Lt/s had only one office up because only one challenger came forward to try.
FOP had a chance but got greedy What have they done lately that has been that good. Remember that FOP is the largest labor union that the city negotiates with. They pretty much determine how the city will go on health insurance. We are all in a bind now because of FOP
The problem isnt what to put on your golf shirt, FOP PBPA AFLCIO it is putting the right people in the office. If you dont go to meetings or vote or run for office well you get what you deserve.
Really ?sgt's are here to help me What an insult. Thus far in the 22 years I have on this job I can think of only 5 sgts I have respect for.Let us not talk about how smart you are and how I need to take the test. Which we all know is a smoke screen. The sgts on this job as a rule have no training as far as management skills. Sgts training is a joke just like the rest of this so called training we receive.I have had sgts tell me to do something dumb, when I tell them ok but I'm going to put your name in the report then they burst into tears no don't do that. Hey sgt your full of shit most of all you want to help yourself get the spot.
52 hrs work week 6 days
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What fucking school did you go to?
1) Look at a calendar
2) Pick any week of the year, Sunday to Saturday.
3) Now count the number of days that you worked, again, Sunday to Saturday.
4) You'll come up with five days of each week worked. That's 40 hours a week.
I must be a genius, huh?
I don't know where you work, however I Put in 8 1/2 for 6 days My week starts my first day that number would be 51 1/2hrs. You my man can pull the dept bull shit, the sunday to sunday line of you really work 40Hrs cause you get 1/2 hour for lunch.I'm in uniform 6 days non stop until I get two off. your the problem with this job believe any thing this dept will feed you. Suck ass
. . Hey sgt your full of shit most of all you want to help yourself get the spot . .
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Awwwwwww Jealous
What fucking school did you go to?
1) Look at a calendar
2) Pick any week of the year, Sunday to Saturday.
3) Now count the number of days that you worked, again, Sunday to Saturday.
4) You'll come up with five days of each week worked. That's 40 hours a week.
I must be a genius, huh?
No, definitely not a genius, we work a six day on 2 off schedule, thats 48 hrs a week Einstein.
. . Really? Sgt's are here to help me? What an insult. . .
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NO, sergeants are here to write YOU up and give YOU time when YOU Fuc% UP. SO.. If you're over 21 years old you should know how NOT to Fuc% up. If you take time on this job for doing something STUPID then you deserve it.
As for a 30 year old man constantly asking sergeants for these ridiculous Honorable Mentions, all I have to say is DO YOUR JOB. What’s the problem with these goofs? Did mommy never say she loved you? The old man never patted you on the head after you struck out in little league? If you have a substantial arrest I can see, but for a 1/2 rock dope pinch?????
It’s like the fuc$king Boy Scouts all over again - - grow up. There are no merit badges in the real world. Just Merit Sgts and Lts. And many of them have to suck dick to get promoted. The next 5 foot, 6 inch P.O. that comes into my office asking for an honorable mention for a recovered auto is gonna get BITCH SLAPPED.
Anonymous said...
. . Really? Sgt's are here to help me? What an insult. . .
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NO, sergeants are here to write YOU up and give YOU time when YOU Fuc% UP. SO.. If you're over 21 years old you should know how NOT to Fuc% up. If you take time on this job for doing something STUPID then you deserve it.
As for a 30 year old man constantly asking sergeants for these ridiculous Honorable Mentions, all I have to say is DO YOUR JOB. What’s the problem with these goofs? Did mommy never say she loved you? The old man never patted you on the head after you struck out in little league? If you have a substantial arrest I can see, but for a 1/2 rock dope pinch?????
It’s like the fuc$king Boy Scouts all over again - - grow up. There are no merit badges in the real world. Just Merit Sgts and Lts. And many of them have to suck dick to get promoted. The next 5 foot, 6 inch P.O. that comes into my office asking for an honorable mention for a recovered auto is gonna get BITCH SLAPPED.
1/01/2007 07:03:48 PM
Sarge, I'm a P.O. and I completely agree with you! Thanks for setting the pretend police straight. Even for setting the "working police" straight...the ones that take it personally when you serve them with beefs or tell them they're WRONG.
You have a shit job and I've seriously asked myself if I would want to do it.
"The next 5 foot, 6 inch P.O. . . "
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HEY! That's all their are hiring now!
He's right! Possibly the have some complex where they constantly have to be reminded their needed. Many of these dwarfs come on the job in the first place because of this.
If you're working 48 hrs a week, eight of it's overtime. Idiot.
If you're working 48 hrs a week, eight of it's overtime. Idiot
No it's not, we work 6 straight 8 hour days, do the math, 6 x 8 : 48
no ot, genius.
I am sure the FOP is behind this rumor so that they can get more money and power. Look at their officers and tell me I am wrong
If you're working 48 hrs a week, eight of it's overtime. Idiot
No it's not, we work 6 straight 8 hour days, do the math, 6 x 8 : 48
no ot, genius.
1/02/2007 01:48:53 PM
God damn, you're stupid! Sunday to Saturday (what part of that are you not getting???), look at a calendar and count how many days you work. No matter which week you pick, you're going to come up with 5 days worked. 40 hours a week. It must be magic. Idiot!
Anyway you slice it you are there six days for 8 hours, its 48 hrs worked not forty, if you want to give them a day be my guest.
Anyway you slice it you are there six days for 8 hours, its 48 hrs worked not forty, if you want to give them a day be my guest.
1/03/2007 09:59:13 AM
You're not working six days in the SAME WEEK! Sunday to Saturday = one week. Math problem or reading comprehension problem?
Anonymous said...
Really ?sgt's are here to help me What an insult. Thus far in the 22 years I have on this job I can think of only 5 sgts I have respect for.Let us not talk about how smart you are and how I need to take the test. Which we all know is a smoke screen. The sgts on this job as a rule have no training as far as management skills. Sgts training is a joke just like the rest of this so called training we receive.I have had sgts tell me to do something dumb, when I tell them ok but I'm going to put your name in the report then they burst into tears no don't do that. Hey sgt your full of shit most of all you want to help yourself get the spot.
1/01/2007 12:50:21 AM
So I guess that you are the only swingin' dick on this fucking job that has any clue as to what should be done....... BTW, which SGT's test did you take and what was your standing?
ASSHAT!!!!
i think second city sarge is one of the boys on the fop board, if he had time as a sgt he would realize that when nolan decided to screw the sgt's the sgt's went to both the state and national lodges for relief they were told by both F@#$ off so it wasn't just a local screwing.
if PBPA was that bad then i think you would have seen more than 1 person run for president in the last election hence scs is trying to stir the pot for his own reasons.Could it be that as an FOP board member he makes alot more than his salary? The presidents of the sgt's capt's lt's unions only make their dept salary. the fop should try this maybe it would do away with the bloated ineffective board.
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