TRR's to OPS?
Um, FOP? Should this be looked at? Why would there be a notice in CO Books citywide that all TRR's are not to pass Go; are not to collect $200 dollars; are to be sent DIRECTLY and ONLY to OPS.
What happened to the R&D copy? The Deputy Chief Copy? Does the District even keep a copy anymore?
Can someone explain this witch hunt going on?
UPDATE: We're reading the comments section and hearing that this is a paper saving move. And that OPS was always on the distribution list anyway. And som people really don't believe any of that. We're looking into it some more - but ONLY sending something to OPS doesn't seem to bode well for anyone involved in any Use of Force issues.
What happened to the R&D copy? The Deputy Chief Copy? Does the District even keep a copy anymore?
Can someone explain this witch hunt going on?
UPDATE: We're reading the comments section and hearing that this is a paper saving move. And that OPS was always on the distribution list anyway. And som people really don't believe any of that. We're looking into it some more - but ONLY sending something to OPS doesn't seem to bode well for anyone involved in any Use of Force issues.
posted by SCC at 5:46 PM
49 Comments:
Thats it, i've had it with this liberal city, its clout heavy politcian police bosses who kiss the mayors and these fuckin mutts ass's. FOP useless as tits on a bull. According to headquarters there are only 38 PO's on B.I.S. First they said it was one hundred and something, now after everybody's clout got them out of it, its now down to 38. Now TRR's have to be sent directly to OPS, why does OPS investigators have any police experience(besides taking this BS CR#'s seriously), like i've said before every working copper should go police where they live and help keep their own neighborhood safe instead of the ghetto. Ops, the mayor, these ghetto chickens, fop and the brass can all go get fucked.
The TRR as we all know, is available on-line to view, that is where R&D, the Deputy Chief's office etc. are now looking at them if they need to. For the most part they don't. Only a full package, including any reports generated is still sent to OPS, AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN, of course they go over all of them with a fine tooth comb, they always have. No need to read into this, it's actually due to feedback from Watch Commanders, about the huge waste of paper and time in making endless copies to send out, that the Bureau of Patrol initiated this.
Signed W/C
Of course a copy is kept in the W/C's office on the board and a copy is sent to your District Commander.
As a field Lt and acting W/C I can tell you that I am glad that they stopped sending copies to everyone and their brother. OPS was one of the people who used to get a copy anyway. Then they recinded the distribution to everyone and only sent a copy to the District Commander who sent it up thru the chain of command. If anyone else needed to see it it was on the computer they just needed to pull it up. I think they reinstated a copy to OPS as a way of proving that "a copy of all use of force is reviewed by The Office of Professional Standards" which we know is B.S. (I'm sure its a litigation thing) I personally don't think sending them a copy means anything so don't read into it too much.
The original TRR's still go with the case report, A copy of the TRR's and all documentation goes to the commander and a copy coes to OPS for their files.
This is simple...workers to get f*cked. Me, I aint doin shit (Dogass) and proud of it. Over $100,000.00 last year for scratching my ear with my leg and licking my balls. Woof woof !
Weren't TRR's established with a rider that they would be for documentation of the use of force in response to an offender's resistance ONLY? Did not the department specifically say that these would not be used as a disciplinary tool?
X years later there's a maximum number of TRR's you can receive in a year and they're sent to a civilian office who's sole purpose is to investigate wrongdoings (or as they put it, "the lack of official conduct").
One word - WOW!!!
When is the pendulum going to come back the other way?
They finally realized after doing TRR's for four years now, that having to make 6 or 7 packages was a total waste of time and paper. Nobody read that shit anyway--and if somebody wanted to--it has always been there on the CPD Intranet to read. I stopped making all those extra copies long ago and never heard a word from anybody. We are led by bufoons.
What's the big deal SCC? They ALWAYS went to OPS anyways. This only means that they only go there and nowhere else. Right?
This is ridiculous! If OPS needs a TRR to investigate an allegation all they have to do is call the unit of occurance. ALL TRR's have a retention of 5 years.
UM, SCC,
UM, FOP does not care about us.
TRR's are tree killers. Six or more copies of each one for each memeber involved. Plus copies of case report, arrest reports, supp. reports and on and on.
Why send these by snail mail when they all could be had off department internet and save the expense of all that paper.
I'd like the contract to provide the department with paper. I'd retire and everynight I would thank God for the Amazon Rain Forest for as long as it lasts.
give us information. cooperate with us. we are your friends and want to help you. you know that we would never use this to hurt you....why it is only for statistical purposes. after all we are your govenment and mean you no harm.
yeah, o.k. king richard, prince stroger, princess madigan, lady tillman, and sir rod.....i think not !
HMMM IF OPS IS RECIEVING THESE REPORTS WOULDNT THAT FALL UNDER THE RULES OF "I NEED TO SPEAK TO MY LAWYER I HAVE 72 HRS. TO FILL OUT THIS REPORT." SIDNEY I KNOW YOU READ THE BLOG DAILY IF YOU EVER WANT TO BE THE PREZ YOU MIGHT WANT TO START CARING A BIGGER LOAD. OPS IS NOT THE RESEARCH DEPARTMENT AND HAVE NO OTHER FUNCTION THAN DISCIPLINE IF THE FOP CAN'T SEE THAT THEN I GUESS WE ARE ALL SCREWED.
SCC you are really hard up for material. This is a move to save paper and time, not a witch hunt. The other recipients are intelligent enough to access the computerized TRR and print out their own copy as needed. OPS on the other hand still wants a hrad copy because they are morons.
They can simply be accessed on I-Clear rather than sending a hard copy. OPS always was always sent a copy. Better adjust your tinfoil hat
New SOS rumor more charges within a week after the new year for previously charged officers. WTF ?
Could someone translate that into civilian, please? :)
Goodbye Saddam...
As far as the TRR's. May beof concern, but doubtful. They are no longer in their infancy and the only people who will be keeping track of them (other than the number crunchers on the computers) is OPS. There was never any need for the Deputies, and the Academy to get them...Just a waste of paper. For once I think it is what it is, just a way to eliminate overtime and paper. No more making 7 copies of 20 pages.
To all members. As we know, we have to sign and insert the small "if I dont sign this im fucked" statement, so as far as I see it, Im sending my copies myself to all that have required one in the past. The CO book order can kiss my ass. FOP, you better jump on this ASAP!! Do what we pay you for!
I agree with 9:31:03,
I these reports were distributed to several different places and OPS got a copy as a side bar, so what.
I OPS gets the whole report meaning there are the only ones concerned (by report) with your action, then a lawyer should be involved.
Of Course FOP will slide out from under as they usually do with their bullshit.
THIS IS FUNNY IF THE BIS AND THE DEPARTMENT FOR THAT MATTER IS SO SHORT MAN POWER, WHY IS OPS AND IAD HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE.
Everyone relax for a second...the TRR basically says....dude did this, which is why i did this....big deal. Bad guy took a swing, I beat him down with my stick. Use of force as trained in academy. ...when you are right, you are right. At least the TRR is something in your file to document your side of what happened...they will at least have a TRR to compare to the impending bullcrap CR#. When JoJo files a cr saying that po smith whacked him with a stick, the trr will say that po smith wacked him with a stick after or as a response to JoJo failing to comply with verbal direction, stiffened, pulled away, then struck po with a closed fist. Big whup.
004th. district coppers all such
that includes the supervision also
all pussys
IM ALL FOR SAVING THE REDUNDANT EFFORT OF MAKING ENDLESS COPIES OF TRR'S FOR EVERYONE. I THINK IT'S GOOD, B U T, WHY SEND A COPY TO OPS? THEY SHOUILD ACCESS IT ON LINE ONLY IF THEY ARE HANDLING A BEEF. THE ONLY HARD COPY SHOULD GO TO THE COMMANDER AND THE W/C.
OPS couldn't investigate their way out of a paper bag. They're stupid and useless, which makes them dangerous.
IAD is the treacherous one. Cops fucking each other. They are even more dangerous.
Fellow Officers....
Simmer down now, ya' hear!!
No need to stress out about this one - it is not a Daley thing, a "G" thing, or an ANYthing...
TRR's always went to OPS - so this is nothing more than the Department actually trying to save some paperwork.
Everyone else can view the TRR's, (if they need to - or want to) off the computer.
IF you are working on New Years Eve, PLEASE BE SAFE!!! If you want to run and gun - remember a lot of coppers are TOLD to hide between 2345 and 0015 hours. So, do not get in over your heads - it just is not worth it for ANY of us to get hurt.
BE SAFE & MAKE IT HOME.
WHEN IS THE FOP ELECTIONS? IT'S TIME TO VOTE THESE LAZY, DALEY LOVING ASSES OUT OF OFFICE......
We pay FOP for nothing!
Have you ever seen Mark donahue in your district?
Even on a shooting scene they are incapable of standing up for your rights, and unable to give you legal advice because they are NOT lawyers!
When is the pendulum going to come back the other way?
12/29/2006 07:50:54 PM
That's simple enough... When most officers are close to being put on this intervention bullshit, and all REAL policework stops. There will be an upswing in crime, and the paperpushers will be shitting their pants, wondering where they went wrong... Then some genius will realize that we need the (insert decade here) method of policing back.
nobody reads them! scc ever do a trr? does not sound like it
Anonymous said...
This is simple...workers to get f*cked. Me, I aint doin shit (Dogass) and proud of it. Over $100,000.00 last year for scratching my ear with my leg and licking my balls. Woof woof !
12/29/2006 07:35:07 PM
Wow, what an ignorant jerkoff!
Relax. TRRs (and before them, the W/C Battery or Resisting packages) were ALWAYS sent to OPS. They are retained there. This was in response to W/Cs requesting a reduction in photocopies. There's lots to panic about, this isn't one of those.
...THEY SHOUILD ACCESS IT ON LINE ONLY IF THEY ARE HANDLING A BEEF...
I don't think their location affords the access to the clear system.
Woof woof ! This ignorant jagoff will probably end up buying a benefit ticket for you someday...PS I still ain't doin' shit ! Go get them Gel Hair Boy !!
this department won't back you up so why should we do what they want. i hope the murder rate goes up . let the boses answer for that. how about less planters and parks and maybe a few more police , but who would want this job anymore a collage grad?
This is simple...workers to get f*cked. Me, I aint doin shit (Dogass) and proud of it. Over $100,000.00 last year for scratching my ear with my leg and licking my balls. Woof woof !
12/29/2006 07:35:07 PM
Boy for not doing shit you sure made a decent buck, let all of us know how you broke a 100k for not doing shit, or as you put it being a dogass. You my friend are full of shit and are probably still on probation.
SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE SOME HARD CHARGING TRU OFFICERS ARE UPSET W/004TH DISTRICT PO'S. PROBABLY BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO GIVE UP OUR TACT OFFICE FOR THAT BIG D.O.P.W PINCH YOU BROUGHT IN.WHAT A JOKE.
Who gets what and why?
TRR's are a routine documentation of applied force, given or received. Remember, the Officer Battery Report (OBR) is part of a TRR.
Watch Commanders were bitching for a long time that all those copies were a waste. Who reads them anyway?
If there is a "heater" TRR, the Unit Commander will get some sort of heads up to read that TRR. Otherwise I would bet they are given the once over (if that) before being filed away in the circular.
OPS is getting a hard copy because they actually READ all the TRR's prepared. No one else rountinely reads all TRR's. Relax, they have been doing this all along... nothing new now.
R&D... They keep the stats on the Officer Battery Report (OBR), part of a TRR. They could give two hoots on the TRR itself.
The OBR stats are reported to two places. First, they compile the internal stats for CPD on how many officers are getting assaulted and battered each month and how the 25 Districts rank in PO battery incidents.
Second (and more importantly), they report the numbers to the FBI as part of the Uniform Crime Reporting statistics. Why more importantly? All of the questions on the who what where in an OBR are used by the FBI to report potential profiles of incidents that result in officers getting assaulted, battered, and killed in the performance of duty.
I have yet to see any CPD reports that lends any color to the who what where from OBR's to show or teach us anything to be safer on the streets. Like I said, they just count beans. How many beans per month total and how many beans per District. IF there are any more colorful CPD reports, they are not getting pushed down to the levels that could benefit most from the data.
D/S Williams said if anyone else want to know what's on a TRR, they can go online to read it (interpreted: stop wasting time and paper... no one reads them).
TRR to OPS = NOT A PROBLEM!
Our Use of force model tells us exactly when were allowed to beat the living shit out of someone! yell or shoot!
USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE!
USE IT TO JUSTIFY WHY YOU KICKED JAGOFF IN THE HEAD OR PUNCHED HIM IN THE NOSE! IT IS WHAT IT IS!
Nobody said you can't hit people, you can hit people all you want, but if you do it for no reason then it's on you. NOW if there is a reason according to the use of force, well you figure it out!
Granted the whole sale ass kicking of the past is gone! I haven't seen a good feeding frenzy in years!
Don't be afraid to do your job!
I'm talking about before your in it up to your ear now!
If asshole wants to fight, MAINTAIN DISTANCE then spray the fuck outa him, if that don't work call a sgt w/a tazer or use our new retractable batons (I love these things) just snapping them out makes jag off think twice It works better if you and your partner can do it simultaneously! Otherwise call in the troops and contain jag off till you have the manpower u need.
Be safe and happy new year!
No I'm not a boss, just gotta keep the job to take care of the family!
WORK SMART!~
FYI, OPS has always gotten a copy of the packet of Battery to P.O. and Resisting Arrest. It has also gotten copies of all weapons discharges prior to TRR's. Your lack of knowledge about this stems from being Joe The Fucking New Guy on the job.
To hell with telescoping batons. Bring back the good oid fashioned cocobolo nightstick!
Senority translates into $100,000.00. I grab everything I can, show up, do nothing except a few contact cards. Woof Woof !
Dear Dumb*sses, get some real time on the job. They can't deny you any of the special employment. A couple of contact cards usually of safe senior citizens jaywalking, then a little nap. Over $100,000.00 hahaha. Gee I'm really hurt by the insults (NOT) !! Thanks for answering all the calls and drivcing to the 1000 mph with gel in your hair. I think I'll just code this one out 19-Paul !
Some districts are more active than others. So that means more TRR's & OBR's. Some bosses don't understand that coppers are going to get scraped up at times. Even our own GO's says that we not cease or retreat but I guess the rank & file that made up this number system on TRR's never read the orders. The TRR was supposed to help the copper, but for what we hear now, it will hurt. Not only will it hurt the copper, but also the sgt that has to tazer the shithead that fighting with the copper. There are fellow working POs & supervisors that have at least 20 TRR's just for aiding the working copper.
Senority is nice. I'm off tonight and want to personally thank all of the young college educated, gel in the hair, leather glove wearing officers working tonight. Back in the day we were under a viaduct at midnight. So when you all go charging into the sound of gunshots, please don't activate your sirens. I'll be sleeping. Happy New Year !!
Just opened my first beer, thinking of all the young officers with gel in their hair, answering calls, making out case reports, looking at their partner at midnight with wanting groping eyes. Happy New Year !! Hic Cup !!
Senority translates into $100,000.00. I grab everything I can, show up, do nothing except a few contact cards. Woof Woof !
12/31/2006 11:37:02 AM
Another guy that can't count. If you're a P.O. making $100,000 a year, you're doing something other than contact cards.
Senority translates into $100,000.00. I grab everything I can, show up, do nothing except a few contact cards. Woof Woof !
12/31/2006 11:37:02 AM
Another guy that can't count. If you're a P.O. making $100,000 a year, you're doing something other than contact cards.
1/01/2007 02:17:10 AM
If you make 70g and are iod for a year, tax return is really nice! Add that to aflaaaack and you can make 100g. for not working. a day. Good for him.
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