Parking Opinion
From the Chicago Police Lieutenant's Association:
- We at the Chicago Police Lieutenants Association would like to point out that there is no part of our contract that allows for the City of Chicago or Chicago Police Department to levy cash penalties against a Lieutenant. In addition no where in the General Orders is there mention of cash penalties for discipline. If the City of Chicago wishes to tow vehicles it owns that is fine with us and if they wish to levy a cash penalty perhaps they will need to go after the registered owner of the vehicle.
We suspect this isn't unique to the Lieutenant's contract either. Someone who has read the labor agreements can tell everyone better than we can, but we don't recall any such provision in our contract either. You can be SPARred; you can have a CR number registered against you; you can use Comp Time or take the day when you are found guilty via Administrative processes. But we can't recall anyone ever being fined for infractions.
Grievances anyone?
Grievances anyone?
posted by SCC at 12:40 AM
40 Comments:
I can see the lawsuits getting filed already with the DEFENDANTS being Dana Starks and the Chicago Police Department and the City of Chicago et al.
The whole damn thing will end up making us the taxpayer pay the price yet again for City of Chicago's dumb ass moves.
Is there a precedent, i.e. has any judge levied a fine against an officer for a traffic offence while driving a CPD car?
Did any officer, or for that matter any city employee have to cough up from one of those Big Brother Cameras at red lights?
We should march on City Hall, maybe on a day when the Olympic Committee is due to be there. The Sergeant's Association did this in the 1990's when the city said they could not have a union.
Why doesn’t this fucking “union” make a comment on the squad cars that have been regularly being seen getting towed by Streets and Sanitation???
Are we the POLICE or what?? Sure, it’s not right to park in a handicapped space. However units in places like 001, 018 and 023.. if you want to park for lunch where are you going to put the car? In a parking garage for 8 bucks out of your pocket? Get real! You pretty much put it on a meter without paying.. Even though you’re “just on lunch” you have to be within a block or 2 of the squad AKA “emergency vehicle” so you can get to the damn “10-1” or “man with a gun” call.
The bosses downtown have no guts to stand up to the city.. The FOP has been invisible on the issue. We (the Chicago Police) are like a fucking laughing stock.
For those interested go to the LTs Union site [ www.cpdlts.com ] at least they have the guts to say: DON”T YOU DARE PAY $200.00 out of your pocket to get that squad car out of the pound – It’s the CITYS car. There is such thing as “due process” in setting discipline.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOP ??????
This parking and towing insanity shows just how dysfunctional the City of Chicago really is these days. I suspect that tow truck drivers towing police vehicles may be subject to prosecution for obstructing police. The city corporation counsel would have a conflict of interest if they were involved in these cases. Complaints can be made to the Sate Bar if they don’t step aside.
Are some City officials at war with cops in Chicago? I predict that the fallout from this will be much more than these fools have anticipated.
Somehow I expect a rash of calls by officers for tow trucks because of vehicle breakdowns when parking gets too tough. I predict lots of flat tires and keys broken off in locks. Why drive when you can walk?
The city has disarmed the law-abiding citizens and now response times to calls for police service may soon be off the charts.
Truth said...
Hot off the press.....
Memorandum RE: Towing City Vehicles
When patrolling assighned areas and an unmaked vehicle displaying M plates is found Streets & Sanitation have been INSTRUCTED to..
1. Contact T2
2. Inform T2 of vehicle information
3. MOVE ONTO NEXT ASSIGNMENT
T2 is then responsible for contacting CPD operations Command on the pax 0301 or 0302 and provide this information. Should they request that this vehicle be towed they are to record name of CPD person requesting the tow and contact streets and sanitation supervisor with CPD decision.
This is from a memo at OEMC ask if you don't believe me.
There is no WAR Streets Dont & Wont tow your vehicle unless your own boss wants it done .
Stop the madness already!!!!!!!!!1
1/29/2007 06:17:07 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny?
Why doesn’t this fucking “union” make a comment on the squad cars that have been regularly being seen getting towed by Streets and Sanitation?
Because FOP is not a union. They are nothing. They are a bunch of yes boys to da mayor. The only time FOp will do or say anything is when we as Police Officers stand up together and make them.
Just for the record, its inaccurately posted in the original post that you can take comp time in spar, your request to use comp. time in a Spar can be denied by the Deputy Chief of your Area or Bureau. Dugan denied it to me in a court deviation a few years ago. I had to take the unpaid day off.
Anonymous said...
Are we the POLICE or what?? Sure, it’s not right to park in a handicapped space. However units in places like 001, 018 and 023.. if you want to park for lunch where are you going to put the car?
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New ordinance: One sqaud car sized police parking only spot on every block for 1,18,19,23, 12,&20. You can't tell the police you can't park there anymore without providing them with some measure of relief.
Otherwise it's a cheap political move meant to rouse anit-police feelings. Which is not healthy for our society.
1/28/2007 05:58:04 PM
SCC-
According to YOUR post the S & S worker is the one calling with the informattion aboud the unmarked M plate. Yes it is someone at Operations Command ordering the tow, but it ultimately comes back to the S & S worker calling in the information.
If a car gets towed it is thje fault of S & S for calling the info
Sec. 31‑1. Resisting or obstructing a peace officer or correctional institution employee.
(a) A person who knowingly resists or obstructs the performance by one known to the person to be a peace officer or correctional institution employee of any authorized act within his official capacity commits a Class A misdemeanor.
So if a S&S/TMA Tow driver grabs your police vehicle, could we possibly arrest them under the "obstructs the performance" portion of the law? I'm not talking about parking at lunch time, but on a job.
Hey SSC -
Can you help me out here...?
What, or who, is T2?? How does one contact T2?
In all my time on the job I never heard of T2.
Can you help me out???
To 1/29/2007 06:17:07 AM...
It really doesn't matter either way. If the city wants police cars towed for what it deems as "illegal parking" then all other city agencies who commit traffic and parking violations are fair game.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If the city doesn't like it they should back off on this nonsense of towing squad cars because of the Slum Times and political correctness. A simple CR number would suffice against officers parking in handicap spots while not on an assigned job. Taking a police car out of service to "teach a lesson" shortchanges the citizens of police protection and compromises the safety of police officers by having one less car for back-up.
Your damn right. Can you say LAWSUIT!!! Try making me pay the ticket and tow fee...
If I'm doing any form of police work whatsoever and they tow my car; they can keep it. In fact I'd love to write paper on it and show the idiots that ordered the tow, just how stupid they really are and how what they did makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
You guys are right there is an employee/employer relationship.
Calm down guys. The person you should be directing your wrath at is Ron Huberman, boy wonder. In yet another stunning example of merit clout gone amok, a man with 20 minutes in patrol is making command decisions in typical micro-mangement style. While our usual idiots will continue to flaunt their ability to park where-ever and when-ever they want, irregardless of law, the majority of us do not abuse the priviledge. Any boss with any experience would have realized the fall-out from such an poorly thought through, lame-ass order. Streets and San. does not want to get involved in a war with us. Their deputy has tried to weasel out of towing squads by pushing the decision-making back to our command staff and his reward for trying to look out for us was a royal ass chewing at the civilian "DOC" meeting by Mr. Huberman. If you are responding to an assignment, park accordingly. If you are down on lunch, attempt to park as legally as you are able. Just don't be jerks about it and double park while shopping.
SCC-
According to YOUR post the S & S worker is the one calling with the informattion aboud the unmarked M plate.
It's not OUR post. We are reposting from a previous thread by a reader named "truth." We're just soliciting info.
To whomever is asking about T2, we are assuming that it's a Streets and San radio frequency along the lines of CW1. Any former S&S people wantto enlighten the masses?
SCC-
According to YOUR post the S & S worker is the one calling with the informattion aboud the unmarked M plate. Yes it is someone at Operations Command ordering the tow, but it ultimately comes back to the S & S worker calling in the information.
If a car gets towed it is thje fault of S & S for calling the info
1/29/2007 11:56:32 AM
Here we go again.....
1. T-2 is office at OEMC where all police related tows are handled usually stings,arrest and so on.
2. M plates are not only used by the police other city workers/vehicles also use them. The police are not being singled out here.Just like S&S the police are innocent VICTIMS of POOR MANAGEMENT!!!
You are saying ..if I'm understanding this right that the S&S guy should look the other way.
How about the S&S guy does his job like he/she is paid to do and Operations Command turns the other way when he gets the call? It's ultimitly Operations Command CALL!
STOP THE MADNESS
how about towing or ticketing the consulates vechiles,what would Da mayor do ,i understand they have numerous tickets and unpaid fines,something to think about.
Even though you’re “just on lunch” you have to be within a block or 2 of the squad AKA “emergency vehicle” so you can get to the damn “10-1” or “man with a gun” call.
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The individuals responsible for the order need to keep in mind that we are never really "down on lunch". While dispatchers cannot give us a call while on lunch we are still the police (24/7) and are expected to act on any crimes. If I am on lunch and there is a robbery in progress or a 10-1 near me I will (and have) leave to check it out. This means that I also have to have immediate access to my vehicle. "Squad, I will be enroute after I get my car from the 6th floor of the pay lot 2 blocks away".....NOT. Now nobody should take a hadicapped spot unless it is an emergency, but the spots on corners etc. should be fair game for us.
If it is S&S's who are calling the vehicles in originally, how about just not doing it. It is funny how city workers love to pull out that city I.D. when they get stopped in their personal cars and expect us to look the other way, but now suddenly when they have an opportunity to do the same they dont. As I dont have first hand knowledge of tows happening and I dont believe everything I read in anonymous posts, I am not going to change the way I treat certain city employees when I stop them. However, if and when I find this to be a reality, be forewarned, you are better off not identifying yourself as a city worker if you have a S&S city I.D. if your stopped. We have been scratching city workers backs for years, and now ours is getting a little itchy, better step up with the nails, or get nailed.
The only time FOp will do or say anything is when we as Police Officers stand up together and make them. ______________________________
TRY GOING TO A MEETING AND VOICING YOUR OPINION, THERE ARE COPPERS OUT THERE WITH 10 + YEARS AND BEYOND WHO HAVE STATED THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A MEETING..... IAM AT THESE MEETINGS AND THE USUAL REPS, AND A FEW STARGLERS SHOW UP EVERY MONTH, THERE'S STRENGTH IN NUMBERS....DEMAND ACTION TOGETHER..
D. Starks?
He still doesn't get it!
You know? The "Rumor" as to why he was stripped by the "Soup" of most if not all of the decision making/think tanking duties.
Just so you all know - he drummed this Towing of Dept. Vehicles Idea all by himself while the "Soup" was out of town.
Anonymous said...
Calm down guys. The person you should be directing your wrath at is Ron Huberman, boy wonder. In yet another stunning example of merit clout gone amok, a man with 20 minutes in patrol is making command decisions in typical micro-mangement style. While our usual idiots will continue to flaunt their ability to park where-ever and when-ever they want, irregardless of law, the majority of us do not abuse the priviledge. Any boss with any experience would have realized the fall-out from such an poorly thought through, lame-ass order. Streets and San. does not want to get involved in a war with us. Their deputy has tried to weasel out of towing squads by pushing the decision-making back to our command staff and his reward for trying to look out for us was a royal ass chewing at the civilian "DOC" meeting by Mr. Huberman. If you are responding to an assignment, park accordingly. If you are down on lunch, attempt to park as legally as you are able. Just don't be jerks about it and double park while shopping.
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Hey Dumb Ass, this was not a Ron Huberman Decision or idea!
This is our First Deputy's Idea and PD that was sent out to all Police Districts and units!!!! ( City Wide)
If Huberman had anything to do with this, there would've been an additional memo sent to all the Clout Fucks at City Hall including S & S.
So, Quit your hating, and don't use this site for your personal bashing.
Re: Ron Huberman - we already know he has moved up through / and skipped ranks like any clout baby should; Nothing new here!
So quit your nonsense and move On Piss-ant!
Like it or not, this could be our New Superintendent!
Why doesn’t this fucking “union” make a comment on the squad cars that have been regularly being seen getting towed by Streets and Sanitation???
Are we the POLICE or what?? Sure, it’s not right to park in a handicapped space. However units in places like 001, 018 and 023.. if you want to park for lunch where are you going to put the car? In a parking garage for 8 bucks out of your pocket? Get real! You pretty much put it on a meter without paying.. Even though you’re “just on lunch” you have to be within a block or 2 of the squad AKA “emergency vehicle” so you can get to the damn “10-1” or “man with a gun” call.
The bosses downtown have no guts to stand up to the city.. The FOP has been invisible on the issue. We (the Chicago Police) are like a fucking laughing stock.
For those interested go to the LTs Union site [ www.cpdlts.com ] at least they have the guts to say: DON”T YOU DARE PAY $200.00 out of your pocket to get that squad car out of the pound – It’s the CITYS car. There is such thing as “due process” in setting discipline.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOP ??????
1/29/2007 04:25:16 AM
WELL SAID!!
You guys are so fucken dumb. Again, see the real picture here. Streets and Sanitation's is not in the business of towing Police Vehicles. Do your homework before you before you post more bullshit. You dumb asses have nothing better to do than cause havoc between yourselves and other agencies. The few dick heads can't break the true partnership of Police and Streets and Sanitation. We serve and protect as do the Police.
FOP says "lets go fishing and golfing", and don't forget the picnic that we did not have, cannot find a park to play in!
Hey S & S. If you call in an unmarked car you "think" is a squad car, you are part of the problem. Don't call it in like you don't call in your buddies cars around the pound. That's it. It is your fault if you follow a stupid directive that is discretionary. End of story.
Next, a bosses or political hack's car will never be towed. That is the reason S & S has to check with operations command. To figure out what UNIT and WHO is driving the car. Thats it. No gimmicks, no bullshit. Slam the S & S driver's that tow the or the ones that call them in. We are getting slammed and once again the bosses and the clout heavy bigwigs of any city department or any political figure will not get towed ven if parked in a handicapped spot while banging the underage hooker behind the bushes... The city that works...
Anonymous said...
Even though you’re “just on lunch” you have to be within a block or 2 of the squad AKA “emergency vehicle” so you can get to the damn “10-1” or “man with a gun” call.
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The individuals responsible for the order need to keep in mind that we are never really "down on lunch". While dispatchers cannot give us a call while on lunch we are still the police (24/7) and are expected to act on any crimes. If I am on lunch and there is a robbery in progress or a 10-1 near me I will (and have) leave to check it out. This means that I also have to have immediate access to my vehicle. "Squad, I will be enroute after I get my car from the 6th floor of the pay lot 2 blocks away".....NOT. Now nobody should take a hadicapped spot unless it is an emergency, but the spots on corners etc. should be fair game for us.
If it is S&S's who are calling the vehicles in originally, how about just not doing it. It is funny how city workers love to pull out that city I.D. when they get stopped in their personal cars and expect us to look the other way, but now suddenly when they have an opportunity to do the same they dont. As I dont have first hand knowledge of tows happening and I dont believe everything I read in anonymous posts, I am not going to change the way I treat certain city employees when I stop them. However, if and when I find this to be a reality, be forewarned, you are better off not identifying yourself as a city worker if you have a S&S city I.D. if your stopped. We have been scratching city workers backs for years, and now ours is getting a little itchy, better step up with the nails, or get nailed.
1/29/2007 05:51:17 PM
I can tell you from first hand knowledge of tows that S&S does not tow police vehicles unless they are ordered to tow by the Police higher ups.
Unlike the police S&S have no x3270 to run vehicle plates like the police have...so they have no idea if the M plate vehicle is a police,alderman,ward superintendent,water dept sup, electrical dept sup ..and so on ..there are too many departments to list here that use M plates.
As I stated before M plates are not used strictly on police vehicles.
How many of you guys (HONESTLY NOW) have pulled over a po that may have had a little bit too much to drink and looked the other way when the po used the I.D...
Oh and I'm 100% sure that if you show your I.D and asked a tow driver to help you out or your friendly garbage truck driver to get rid of that construction material you have stored up in your yard he would gladly do it (scratch-scratch)!
So please lets not start a new issue on the use of city I.D because like S&S MANY police officers love those freebies they get when they use there I.D ...
A good solution might be for the city to change the M plate to something else when it concerns a police vehicle but I don't see that happening.
Im recently retired from this department. 30 years on this job and i was "fortunate" to become a boss. i like to say i was very well liked and that those that did this job the way they were supposed to do it were rewarded in the way that they should have been. The cpd has a great history and has been very good to me and im sure good to many of you. To hear how this department has gone down the tubes in the past year or two is extremly upsetting. I cant belive the things that they are pulling. Not to sound like the "old salt" but i cant belive what politics has done to this job and the morale of the p.os. I was able to get to an exempt rank and had many experiences in my time with the department. through my experience I always knew one thing, you never fu@k with the Chicago police. If anyone tried to pull any sh*t with us, they would be "taught" not to do it again. It is a real shame that a department once known and feared throughout the country and the world has just become an ordinary political department that lets liberal ass#s and punk suburbanites, and gang banging sh*theads walk all over them. First, the parking issue, there is no issue....You are the police, you park where you want to park end of story. If some driver wants to tow your car, you lock him up. If streets and sans said that it is coming from downtown and they have no power over the issue and they are only doing there job, well, too bad they still go to jail because you are doing your job. to the people reading this...please, love this job. I know its the "cool" thing to do now, complain and say how much this job sucks. why stress?? go out there, lock up these sh*thead gangbangers, have a great time and most importantly stick together and back eachother up and go home safe. By just driving by these dogs and not givin them a hard time or to just keep driving by when they stare you down weakens the department and the entire history of the CPD. Morale is down only because the P.Os themselves bring it down. Pay no mind to the bosses and the rules. That has been going on since the beggining of time. These political moves and rules have always been going on. I think that is just a differant breed of officer out on the streets today..and that is with no disrespect to anyone. You need to Go out there and do your thing. Those streets and corners are not the bosses, they are not the aldermans, they are not the mayors and they are not the gangbangers streets...those streets belong the the men and women wearing blue shirts! You own those streets! Nobody fu*ks up on your street. if they do hopefully you still have the sense and drive to let them know about it....if not, then please get off the street and work an inside job. Keep the tradition of the cpd alive. Dont be afraid to get a beef, or have people complain or that you might get sued. Its all part of the job, you just have to be smart about it and out think these jagof$s. Be aggressive, have fun, dont take no sh*t of nobody and be safe!
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To Anonymous 1/30/2007 01:41:53 AM:
Great Post. Drives the point home. Too bad you retired.
Well said Boss, well said!
To Anonymous 1/30/2007 01:41:53 AM:
Amen,,,,
I wish that you never left the job!!!
we need more bosses that know how the regular guy feels...
and it's nice to get a pep talk like yours every once in while...
it gets hard to get up every day and do the same bullshit, I see the same bangers every day and I go through them every day, just to keep them in check..
I've been working with the new breeds and they dont even know what a street stop is
it's too cold to keep getting out of the car or what ever...
it seems the new breed office
are tought to just answer your radio calls and go home..
and it's not their fault.
it's just how this f--ing city treats us...
every day there is more bullshit that seems like another way to fuck the P.O,s
our job is hard enough
all I can say is
I miss Chief Mauer !
and all the old school bosses
happy retirement boss
With a few spelling corrections, I want to frame what that boss posted! He truly said it from the heart, and his words are my words!
That's about the best post you will ever print here, SCC. For once, I am impressed with this place.
Your right, chief mauer was a good guy, but it was a different person who wrote the above 142am post. I will stay anonymous with my posting and im glad that my posting could get some good reviews and that people on this job still feel that way. If the new guys dont know how to be the police...teach them how. your right, its not there fault, but you guys should charge hard when you get the chance to ride with a new guy. Get them involved and teach them how to be tough and most importantly how to be the real working police...its the only thing that can save this department.. and a little clue...i was only a commander never got to chief..be safe and back eachother up!
7:42 Amen again!
More people need to mentor newer officers. It is that simple.
On a related note, part of the mentoring from the academy onward should be that on day zero you say zero, and the newbies only get to say one more word each day for each day they are on the street. Something like that, and its not related to today's newbies.
Teaching the younger crowd to keep their mouths shut and their eyes and ears open has always been and will always be a good starting point. Ensuring that the experienced crowd passes the lessons from their experience onto the younger crowd is a good ending point.
You start with one and end with the other, the future of the department would be much brighter. Unfortunately, the way things are now its the young and inexperienced teaching the young and inexperienced in too many places.
The retired "Boss" was right. And it's been said here by other posters about the new breeds......tooooooo much college, not enough high school!
The only way to prevent Ron Hubberman from becoming the next Superintendent of the Chicago Police Department is to vote Daley out.
Great Post Boss
Kudos to the retired commander. It could not be said any better. The perks (including self fullfillment of doing God's work) still out weigh the bad moments. Like all things, this parking saga with S&S will also pass.
If you follow your instincts and do what you know is right on this job, you will be alright. Remember they build up heros just to tear them down.
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