It's the Manpower, Stupid
Will someone PLEASE address the massive shortage of personnel on the watches?
- The commander of the 8th District promised to get to the bottom of the incident, which many believe would have never happened had 9-1-1 operators dispatched police.
The first call came into the 9-1-1 center at 10:19 Saturday night. The caller reported an assault in progress but an officer did not respond until 10:45 � 26 minutes later.
For the millionth time - WE HAVE NO PERSONNEL AVAILABLE!!! People are writing to us about no rapids up on 3rd watch in half a dozen districts every single night, about two and three midnight beat cars down daily in assorted other places. We've already written numerous posts on all the teams being detailed out of their districts, resulting in even more manpower shortages that completely negate the dispatching priority matrix (beat car, rapid, tact/gang car, beat supervisor, tact/gang supervisor, field lieutenant.)
The Department is going to end up shouldering the brunt of the public perception of blame here, despite the fact that OEMC (or OEC, OEM or whatever they're calling themselves this week) didn't get the call out for 20+ minutes and is suspending people tonight, but the citizens think call takers have direct access to squad cars:
The Department is going to end up shouldering the brunt of the public perception of blame here, despite the fact that OEMC (or OEC, OEM or whatever they're calling themselves this week) didn't get the call out for 20+ minutes and is suspending people tonight, but the citizens think call takers have direct access to squad cars:
At least 1,000 parents and neighborhood residents packed the crowded church hall Wednesday night demanding answers from police and the head of the 9-1-1 center. It took police 26 minutes to respond Saturday night and two dispatchers have now been placed on administrative leave. Two 9-1-1 supervisors are also under investigation.
"I'm very unhappy with the way the dispatchers handled the situation," said Tony Ruiz, acting director, OEMC.
So is everyone else Tony.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
235 Comments:
SCC,
How about a post dedicated to Manpower Shortages,Administrative and Operational Shortcomings to fall under the Problems facing the Chicago Police Department?
But, as usual, we'll get blamed for it taking 26 minutes.........
So what was said at this meeting? What bosses were there? How did they respond? Inquiring minds want to know.
The issue of there being Manpower Shortages in every district is a MUCH bigger issue. Yes, it NEEDS to be addressed.
But in this particular case... 805 was up and clear, and just never given the job!!!
I feel sorry for those dispatchers. It wasn't the fucking dispatchers fault Tony and the rest of you f*cking idiots (Yes, Tony is one), it's because manpower is down!!!Manpower is DOWN!!! How many people remember when all the beat cars were filled and there were TWO wagons up. We're lucky if we get one up now.
The head of OEMC says about the incident that "as far as the police getting to the scene it should be right away, 2-3 minutes top". Way to blame us ass wipe. If it wasn't for that TRU guy the district probably would not even have showed up cause they wouldn't have been dispatched.
how about the B-team in 009. We still have almost no 3rd watch rapids thanks to this crap. What is it going to take to get rid of this... an incident like the one in 008? Man the damn beat and rapid cars then maybe put up an incident car. we need help out there.
you guys have had a shortage for years then. because response time for years has been a joke. citizens constantley told cpd how we need help around 8 and no person cared to fix it until people being mauled down makes you look and say, mmmmm maybe we need to do something; look to your shirts, luckily no one is dead.
Big shout out to Tony for backing up his people. 2 months in office and shoved down the river without a paddle. Real nice putting all the blame on those dispatchers who work that horrible zone on 1st watch. They're going to make an example out of them, that's cheaper than hiring more police.
Our neighborhoods wouldn't be so out of control if for the last 10 yrs we had adequate manpower patrolling them. Gangbangers and every other criminal know there is a police shortage. What happened in 008 the other night is a common experience on zone8 006/004 when it goes up for grabs. What's the difference? This one made news, that's all.
Was this battery in progress the only job going on that night? Far from it! Were there jobs pending with the same 1a priority that came in before the battery inprogress. Yes. Per CAPS the oldest and highest priority job has to go out first. End of story. Gee Tony thanks for telling the people the truth about CAPS dispatching. But what would you know, you're an electrician. Ps Tony, your bosses on the ops floor should be put on leave too, since the office secretary who made boss and couldn't dispatch out of a paper bag was working that night along with her old man the Watch Commander. Where were the floor shirts when they saw the million calls coming in for the same location, what are those big buck banner boards on the wall for? Look at the pretty lights twinkle. Disgusting.
Thanks scc for the post.
Peace.
OK, someone tell me whats the difference between a RAPID and regular car. Does it mean they only respond to hot calls and not available for regular calls?
Been away for awhile,sounds confusing,just another layer of policing borrowed from some other department that sounds like its not working.
The citizens have been lead to believe that we can solve all their problems, and as soon as they call 911 a car is dispatched automatically. They don't realize, the manpower just isn't there period.
If we had a lower crime rate, we could justify having healthy officers working inside. But seeing how short we are as far as officers being available to answer calls,this is what I'd suggest:
1)CAPS used to be run by maybe 3 officers in a district. Look how many are there now. Cut all CAPS personnel in the district level by half. We don't need officers baby sitting kids, or taking seniors on field trips. Let another city agency do this.
2)The specialized units have drained the patrol division. This is a no brainer. We need officers to do basic police work, that is, to answer calls period. Where would one look for all these additional officers? TRU, SOS, etc. all these "elite" units need to be reduced. There are to many specialized units, and we all know it. Look at HQ's, look at officers who could be answering a phone who are sitting at home on the medical. If you're legit, great you deserve to be off,but I see to many, sitting at home, or on the deck, for extended periods when they could just as well be at their district of residence, answering a phone. Look at officers currently working in the front offices. Heck years ago, one person worked the front office, and another one filled in when that person went to lunch. Now front offices are filled with enough officers to qualify as a platoon.
Put officers back on the street to answer calls and out of the offices.
I hope FOP finally steps up to the plate and gives some kind of response to the manning question. Get off your asses boys. We would like to see you guys out in 008. Oh - that's right you don't go to roll calls anymore. I can't wait til you tell us that!
Thats just shocking!! Tony Ruiz is disappointed in the way that job was handled at Durkin park. Answer: Let him bring his monkey ass over to 008 and work one of the cars that constantly has a forty to 100 job backlog, or better yet just to keep him safe, lets let him work as a dispatcher on zone six and see how a professional can juggle all those jobs. Lets go back to three tact teams to a district (days nights and relief), dump all these bullshit units and stop seatbelt missions and the numerous other useless crap missions. Need an extra unit, bring back the detail unit. Let them handle all those bullshit details and leave the district cars in the district that they are assigned to. Go back to basic police work. This isn't rocket science. If the bosses and politicians can't figure it out, ask a patrolman what is needed.
They ought to issue those not-available signs to the 6 squad cars
actually out there,like the taxis
have.....
I have written to the press and expressed the fact that there's a backlog in every district, every day on every watch. I have expressed the fact that the "low crime" areas have nobody patrolling their area because they are sent to other beats and that manpower is not up to par.
They Dept. will put you on the hot seat in a minute, so I have no problem doing my best to put them on the hot seat.
The commander of the 8th District promised to get to the bottom of the incident, which many believe would have never happened had 9-1-1 operators dispatched police.
It's not his problem. Just another clout spot.
slightly off topic-The Today show did a segment this morning on the most dangerous jobs in America-and after mentioning police officers as a dangerous did aspecial-short-but dedicated piece on the rise in shootings of the police-citing an increase of fatalities (of police as victims) to a 30 year high. They even interviewed a representative from the National Law Enforcement Memorial. Short but bringing awareness to a trend. Now if we could only get Washington to reinsate the funding we have for more police...
I can hear the real estate prices dropping in Scottsdale!
Anonymous said...
OK, someone tell me whats the difference between a RAPID and regular car. Does it mean they only respond to hot calls and not available for regular calls?
Been away for awhile,sounds confusing,just another layer of policing borrowed from some other department that sounds like its not working.
7/19/2007 05:35:00 AM
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try reading a G.O. and you'll know.
I guess folks in Chicago should arm themselfs, if the police cannot do their job.
Lies! Lies! Lies! There is no manpower shortage. Only PO's which hide and stay down on bogus street stops or asst. jobs. Too many PO's checking the pending jobs on their computers so as to avoid them.
Every time this happens, it will flow back to district patrol. They will blame the sgt,s for not over seeing the lazy P.O.'s in the those beat cars! You can excpect to being seeing in the c.o. book restricted time due and notes to the sgts to make sure that jobs are hamdled a quickly as possible. The 35th street bosses will not change. man power won't change and the those damn units will still keep growing! I say , do the best you can and be safe.
Put officers back on the street to answer calls and out of the offices.
7/19/2007 06:04:00 AM
Just silly, silly, silly.
Hey Eric Zorn at the Tribune is trying to stick it to you guys in today's column...better get over there and set him straight.
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/07/fine-time-to-fi.html#comments
26 minutes, isn't bad, much better time then the previous cmdr. would have got.
Its all smoke and mirrors.CPD claims to have 13K+ officers.Its more like 9-10K.
If the CPD Helicopter would have responded to this incident and the door gunners opened up on the unruly teens, the violence would have ended very quickly.
How about the 009th District car that is assigned to Ald. Burke's office on 51st St. for extra protection. He already has at least 4 coppers making seargents pay at his disposal.
Hey there's 13,900 Police Officers on The CPD. There is no shortage of personnel. Repeat after me!!!
Maybe if some of these super secret
elite units are disbanned and their personnel are returned to the districts, this wouldn't be an ever growing problem. The City of chicago is cut up like some South American banana republic, everywhere you look there's a small little army with specialized duties and hours
Big shout out to Tony for backing up his people. 2 months in office and shoved down the river without a paddle. Real nice putting all the blame on those dispatchers who work that horrible zone on 1st watch.
You most be in la-la land to think that jag-off tony was going to back his people up. He is a "political hack". Its just like all these other dispatchers that play games and think all these bosses are your friends and ask them to do things by sending them messages on the PDT or calling their zones. "code all the disturbance jobs" "narco jobs" you get what im saying. Just get us out of R A P. You dispatchers know who you are STOP LETTING THE SGT'S LT'S AND CAPT/WC'S PUTTING YOU IN THE TRICK BAG. If they want you to do something that is wrong let them come on the air and "ORDER" you to do these wrongs. THEY WILL LEAVE YOU HIGH AND DRY. We don't need to lose these great dispatchers. And I would hate to see you ladies sitting on your couch or someone else's saying why did i do that..
Cover Your Ass's Ladies
Anonymous said...
The commander of the 8th District promised to get to the bottom of the incident, which many believe would have never happened had 9-1-1 operators dispatched police.
What is he waiting for ? its been like a week
You made it in the Daily southtown SCC. The article cites a "local Police Blog" indicating the first officer on scene was called by a family member.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/news/475140,191NWS3.article
Here is the link, Im sorry I dont know how to do a hyperlink
Also this paper has been following this story for the last three days. And it sounds like the department is stonewalliing the obvious: No manpower
The reporter following the story is a Stephanie Gehring. Im sure she would love to hear from people in the know.
Many of our commanders are as big as 3 men. Just imagine them working a Bt. car 1 nite a week. Leave your rank behind nite work a car and show us how it's done. For almost 30 years (working a Bt car) I have never seen a exempt rank demonstrate their police skills. All salty talk with nothing to back it up. Lets make this an official challenge to all the bosses thru out the department, one nite a week in a bt car, 99, in a blue shirt and covered by the same rules of engagement you placed upon the patrolmen. Notice I said nites not 2nd watch. Almost forgot no body guards. To those of you who take the challenge I salute, those who don't are just a bunch of phoney assholes, who couldn't work a loss prevention job at Target.
Plain and Simple
This is what happens when you have a MAYOR running your Police Dept. It should be a seperate entity. Everyone is afraid to say or do anything because of the mayor. He is to blame for not letting the dept. hire more police "to save money". and playing all these games and then saying "i dont know what goes on there".
Residents also want justice and closure. When you have an offender inside the park mowing down people with his car, CHARGE HIM ACCORDINGLY!
You give a guy tickets after he almost killed 8 people?
OK it took the CPD long to get there, what did CPD do next to the maniac afterwards?
Meaningless tickets!
It was not a crash, It was AGG BATT with a deadly weapon.
People are pissed about the 26 minutes, but they are even more pissed that offender got off with bullshit tickets!
The media ignored the hate crime and went after the police, again. I love this cess pool city and all it offers
Anonymous said...
I feel sorry for those dispatchers. It wasn't the fucking dispatchers fault Tony and the rest of you f*cking idiots (Yes, Tony is one), it's because manpower is down!!!Manpower is DOWN!!! How many people remember when all the beat cars were filled and there were TWO wagons up. We're lucky if we get one up now.
7/19/2007 12:49:00 AM
Memories yes I remember we had in 008 3 wagons up. all beat cars manned 2 traffic cars on afternoons, 1 car beleve was 806D on westend garfield ridge area, we had a park car, then we had a tact team, another team forgot the name worked t-s 6 P to 2 A., alfter the beat cars we had respnse cars 816,817,826,827,836,837, also we had 3 airport area cars 808,808a,808b, plus a special car dedicated to only ford city for thefts etc... That was when 008 was definitely not as busy! Just read mitchells column in the times she is pointing out that a man named Flavin wants to take matters by Durkin park into his own hands and she says no. Look at todays front page daily southtown which is really doing a great job covering this story great reporting! By the way isn't the head of oemc ruiz a left over hack from hdo friend of victor reyes? By the way why is reyes daleys former point man not indicted yet? maybe waiting for family secrets trial of daley to start?
They spend all there resources to prevent one gangbanger from killing the other. Mean while the rest of the neighborhoods go un protected. Quality of life crimes will continue to go up until the People revolt.
This is all over the homicide rate. I say who gives a shit about gangbangers killing eachother. Thats who we are preventing from getting killed, but at the expense of the tax paying citizens.
How many cars were down on assignments that could have been clear ? Sure sounds like a lack of supervision.
There is no manpower shortage. The academy graduates 100 recruits/month.
The fact is nobody wants to work patrol. There's more than enough police to go around. Those that do work patrol usually want to sit on their asses for 8 hours. How hard is it to respond to a couple calls, do a little paper, and make the occasional traffic stop?
This city is cheap, spend the money where it is needed. Not 40 million on water meters. There is an old saying. " if there were three people left on the planet, one of them would be a police officer" It's that simple we need police , and more of them. We have a more demanding public, and a smaller Police department.
Human resources are not bieng properly utilized. The hybrid system is failing. And more importantly, it is failing in the eys of the public. Public perception will win out.
now I need a beer!!!!!
Burp
You newsies that monitor this site... utilize your freedom of information powers, and get the actual numbers of the Uniform Allowance Checks issued February of 2007, or better yet, those to be issued on August 1, 2007. The number of checks issued IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER of police officers and supervisors employed by the Chicago Police Department. I think that you'll find that rather than 13,500 active Police Officers as advertised, there are more like 9200. No wonder there's a backlog every night, and no cars available... Oh by the way, what happens to all the salaries for the 4300 ghosts? Something around half a billion dollars when you consider benefits, pension, etc. Where is this money going?
How about the idiot woman who said in the sun-times this morning, " you have to say that someone has a gun just to get the police to come". Tell the people the truth there are no police.
Leo's got some explaining to do!
Step up to the plate tough guy and tell the truth...your district still contains some taxpayers and their taxes are not being used to man the district!
The same goes for you Commanders of 16 and 22!
I love living in a decent neighborhood where I get NO police service/protection because all the coppers are sent to this SHIT part of my district to police the animals.
After all, they work hard and pay taxes and deserve ALL of the police.
Just wondering......was EMS dispatched from the intial 911 call.
CLTV.com
has a brief about the incident. You will need to scroll down a bit to find it. Watch it before they get rid of it. They showed Dana Starks and Mike Shields at the meeting in the church.
SCC----possible new topic
This is a link to a survey being conducted by the University of Illinois. Anyway, the survey anonymously questions your satisfaction with the Chicago Police Department in YOUR community. Most of the people I have sent this to live in communities similar to mine and are similarly affected by the poor police service , higher crime rate, increased gang presence, increased presence of "bustouts" thieves and thugs, un/underreported crime, poor police staffing in the community, police ineffectiveness in the community, tolerance of unacceptable behavior by community residents AND police officers, etc...etc...etc... I'd go on but neither of us have the time for the total truth.
This survey is one that is going to be reported to the Police Department and most likely the gurus on LaSalle St. I honestly think that we need to send our own message that we are sick and tired of most of the police service being provided to areas of urban blight, when we, the taxpaying citizens of the City, the majority base of the City's revenue are being neglected in service and left subject to the predators, thugs, gangbangers and delinquents. We need to defend our communities before they get overrun and are the next segment in the continuing saga of urban gentrification.
The survey only takes about 15 minutes. Think before you answer and read it thoroughly. They have worded some of it in college testing and City promotional examination language, like "I trust the leaders of the Chicago Police Department to make decisions that are good for everyone in the city Agree, disagree etc... "
Just go take they survey and VOICE YOUR DISSATISFACTION through your answers. Here's the link http://survey.cc.uic.edu/community.htm
Skirting the manpower issue and blameing the dispatchers,this department will never change! Why hasn't the kid in the car been charged? All sort of non traffic charges come to mind... including hate crime.
CAPS does not work, never will, lets use that manpower(at least 15 in 008 alone) and put them back on the streets.
Leo Schmitz is way over his head. When you cannot pass tests concerning general orders and rules and regs, what makes anyone think that this bozo will know what to do in a crisis.
It's open season on white people in this city.
Darren O'Brien from the states attorney office, who is now handling the entire investigation, is attempting to make the victims who were beat up and run over by a car the offenders to a hate crime with an unknown victim. AN UNKNOWN VICTIM ? They even did a case report listing the victim as unknown. Then this political hack starts taking poloroid pictures of the victims so they can do photo spreads with this unknown victim. This was done to intimidate the victims and make people believe that it is not a hate crime by the black offenders. Everyone knows this was a hate crime but it is going to be swept undrer the rug. Equal protection under the law is for everyone except if you're white.
008 is too big and too busy. I really think re-mapping the district would help
Automated arrests, automated inventories, supervisor approval electronically. This all takes way to long to process an arrestee, so cars are down for 2-3 hours on an arrest. When we did arrest reports and inventories by hand it was much quicker. We also send cars to way to many jobs. Grandma calls because the 13 year old grandaughter won't listen to her. An eight year old hit by a nine year old. An 82 year old having trouble breathing with CFD responding, Mom calling because her son and daughter are fighting.
calling all cars
make copy of work sheets on all watches in every district
highlight down cars and one man units
write in officers names that are assigned to inside spots
send a copy to newspapers and mayors office
The last two nights, I have found victims of Robberies just occurred in 019 have been directed to call back. One victim was unable to get into her house and was waiting in a pizza joint as a copper came in to eat and ran into her after her 20 minute wait. He was available, just OEMC mis-directed her.
Lets go to the root of the problem. Who the F*&^ wants this job? What if we didnt have a manpower shortage? Lets look whats going on. They dont want us to do our job. More manpower means more coppers out there that nobody stands behind!!!! and that dont want to put there ass on the line. I feel real sorry for the citizens of Chicago. I would be terrified if there was a police department with such low morale, and full of coppers that just dont have the motivation anymore. (i dont) People do the minimum. These animals have more rights than us! Stay safe and stick by one another. You get a victim of a robbery, drive around the block once....cant locate him oh well....why would you stop a potential suspect? he can beef. Then your name goes on a list! Who cares if its exhonerated.
Thats just shocking!! Tony Ruiz is disappointed in the way that job was handled at Durkin park. Answer: Let him bring his monkey ass over to 008 and work one of the cars that constantly has a forty to 100 job backlog, or better yet just to keep him safe, lets let him work as a dispatcher on zone six and see how a professional can juggle all those jobs. Lets go back to three tact teams to a district (days nights and relief), dump all these bullshit units and stop seatbelt missions and the numerous other useless crap missions. Need an extra unit, bring back the detail unit. Let them handle all those bullshit details and leave the district cars in the district that they are assigned to. Go back to basic police work. This isn't rocket science. If the bosses and politicians can't figure it out, ask a patrolman what is needed.
..........................................................................He identified himself as the police then went on to complain about the police asking answers from those in attendance? Some kind of rule violation, but oh well dude you got some Cojones,.............Also that states attorney ran away my god, How about the 13 year old asking starks "if this were a white kid running over black kids whould he just get tickets"? and what if he "goes back to Mississippi" I think the boy was primed. but he did speak what many thought................overall this was the wrong forum for this problem. The public is trying a criminal case by mob rule
The city/dept continually states during interviews and written articles that we have 13,500 officers. I think not!! Way off I'm sure.
Maybe we're budgeted for 13,500 officers but we don't have that many.
I know last year somebody checked into it, knowing somebody down at personell and the number was more like 9,874 officers.
Anybody know the real/true number?
And does that number count everybody or just the rank of patrolman not counting supervisors?
ERPs and Equipment and supply are the heavy places to be. I have some friends there and they work for a different department. On days at least. Their Sgt. cuts them early and takes care of his and Starks friends. OT every Saturday.
They should make that unit biddable. No manpower shortage there!!!!
OK, someone tell me whats the difference between a RAPID and regular car. Does it mean they only respond to hot calls and not available for regular calls?
Been away for awhile,sounds confusing,just another layer of policing borrowed from some other department that sounds like its not working.
7/19/2007 05:35:00 AM
RAPIDS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 10 YEARS. THEY ARE FINE IN THEORY DUMBASS
Will someone PLEASE address the massive shortage of personnel on the watches?
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sorry to inturde, but i am a dispatcher and i think that the ones involved in this incident are being curcified. the fact of the matter is that so many people could have done so much more and there shouldn't be 2 people blamed for the entire situation. not enough police on the street, that by far is an understatement..... even when we do have a full lineup in 008 on 3rd watch most of the 30 sector (which is the worst part) is being held down on somekind of bullshit. And now that this is all going on, we have 834 who can only take jobs on his beat , 859 rapid who is detailed to durkin park and all the gang and tact with him along with 805. Guess what, you aren't solving the problem of manpower shortage but now just making it worse, for now we have to send the 10 and 20 sector to jobs in the 30. Shame on Ruiz for blatantly backstabbing the dispatchers that he is supposed to be reprtesenting. A simple we are investigating and getting down to what the problem is would have been sufficient. But to imply to the already irate citizens that the dispatchers weren't doing their jobs and making it seem like they were sleeping or intentionally not sending police is just damn stupid. Point blank, batip, pershot, pergun, and every other 1a priority job is not out of the ordinary on the zone. And the white shirts at the 911 center and out in the field should be hung out to dry along with these two dispatchers. Hello!!!! the marquee in the 911 center is showing there are 10, 20 , 30 , even 40 calls for one specific location....when do you as a supervisor decide to get off your ass and see what's going on and maybe offer a little guidance. But of course if they need you to work you lunch and you have to be mandated to work 4 extra hours after your regular tour, they are right behind you with a cr number waiting for you to say you can't do it. I feel bad for the 2 taking most of the blame and i hope that their co workers (including the police on the street) will be there to back them up in their time of need. And as far as 805 being available....maybe he or she should have come up and volunteered for a priority job, if he was sitting there up and available !!!!
We got rid of our civilian clerks and other help and replaced them with young police officers that should be in beat cars.
Even our I.T. people are cops!
How is our Homeland Security funds being spent?
We will be getting a new $47.2 million Homeland Security grant. How will that be spent, by having hired trucks dig security flower gardens around proposed Olympic venues.
Please, will the Feds come in and audit how this money is being spent. Will investigative reporters blow the cover off these expensive and dangerous scandals.
Another no brainer: reduce the Academy back to 4 months. The PPOs learn more on the street in a month, than 6months at the academy. No better training, than on the job training.
everyone blames the police for taking 26mins to get there. people are blaming the dispatchers for not dispatching the calls promply. the police dont know about a call if they're not dispatched. dispatchers cant dispatch a call if there are no cars to dispatch that call to. hellooooooooooooo manpower. bts 811 812 813 834 (durkin park) get little or no police service and this is where most of the taxpayers in 008 live. taxpayers in 008 022 and 016 having been screaming for more police service for yrs. its takes an incident like durkin park or beverly park to get peoples attention.. beverly park is back to business as usual----no police service. charlie wms would rather spend money on gps to keep tabs on officer (not officer safety) than to hire more police or redeploy house mouses or unnecessary units.
question---- what would have happened if a white kid drove his car into a group of black kids at durkin park????
answer---white kid would have been charged with multiple counts of att murder. jesse and meeks would have been protesting/marching. the 008th dist would actually do something about durkin park (cameras dont count). rioting and more attacks on white kids-not hate crime-whites cant be victims of hate crime.
Two suits againts the city have been filed.
Everyone is bitching (in the media) that the citizens are al pissed because of the reponse time. NOT. THEY ARE PISSED BECAUSE THE RACE RIOT STARTED BY THE BLACKS WAS NOT CHARGED. The Cook County State's Attorneys once again refused to file charges because in cook county you can not have a black on white hate crime. Instead, give the little fucker who mowed down 7 people in a car traffic tickets. Good job you fucking liberal pieces of shit. I understand the original beating victim cannot be found....Did it even happen or was it just the GD's decided to beat the shit out of a white/hispanic kid. Numerous stories of this nature. But leonard Clark was the story for 3 months and everybody got charged....If you're white in this city you are a second class citizen. If your the police in this city you are a peasant. Fuck OFF JAGOFFS!!!! Charge the crime, not the political response...You should al be burned at the stake....
Here's one for the media: Use the
freedom of information act to get this info:
Everytime there is an aggravated battery or homicide the watch commander must freeze the screen on the computer to check the status of all cars at the time of the shooting: Check to see how many are on seatbelt missions when the shootings occurred. May find it interesting...Thought seat belt missions were supposed to prevent violent acts....
Even if there is no car available the dispatchers need to start giving out in progress jobs over the air. A citywide unit,dick,or someone staying down on another job would probably go to the job.
as an fto in 007 on the third watch we get to hear how the boys & girls in 008 run thier asses off & need a sgt's permission to take lunch. the only real answer is to cut the 008 district up you can't blame the dispatchers either they have to take and give out every bullshit job that comes in.the 008 district is constantly in a backlog because the people that pay no taxes get the service the working people pay for. the bosses have no balls and can't speak out if they like thier spot or want to get promoted. good luck to you poor souls in 008 and those of you that think you can do a better job remember the grass is never as green as it looks on the other side of the fence
I think that everyone here will agree that the answer is to end the specialized units.
Start with the 500 man TRU!
If you don't believe how many people are assigned to TRU, run unit 253 for seniority =
you will see.
500 ~ 25 = 20
20 ~ 3 (watches) = 6.66 per watch.
Unfortunately, we lack proper leadership. Williams and the other idiots will address the manpower shortages by limiting, refusing time off more so than what they do now. Incredibly limiting and refusing time off only reduces the morale of this Department, which the Bass-asses do not realize influences the way Officers perform their job. When an Officer gets denied off for a wedding, which he is standing up in, will negatively influence his work performance that day. And, I do not blame some Officers. Other than hiring more Officers (which either the city apparently will not do or nobody wants this job), is to allow Officers to work their days off, like Tara. But remember Tara only replaces Officers detailed out for the week. We need more Officers. It’s a simple solution to fix the problem – ALLOW OFFICERS TO WORK THEIR DAY OFF. People on this page rips TRU, SOS, Tact and other Units and believes that these units are the cause of the manpower shortages, which is not true. I do not know what to tell you, but I work Tact and we respond to calls like anyone else, and must still make an arrest in the DOC, get a narcotic dispersal and have 5 contract cards.
This city is unreal!!! They can put on the cover of the papers how many CR's are out there. Demand for reform of OPS and tell us it's not police bashing. Try to supersede our union with civilian review of CR's. BUT never once tell the truth about this 008 park incident. All coppers know that 008 is undermaned and overworked. Everyone is getting screwed but the city billing. Citzens get slow police service, P.O.'s are taking jobs when back up is far away, and the city is getting a cheap bill for how many P.O.'s they have to pay for how much land is patroled. The district has been the same size since the beginning of time. While crime continues to spread from the center of the city to the west and south since they have torn down the jets for the yuppies. How coppers at that meeting could sit and ask questions at that meeting and not say what we all know is blasphemous!! Its bad enough the city sells us out but to have our own do it......We all know the answer is spliting that district in two. Its has been ever since project problems have been thrown into the blocks of this city.
The answer isn't disbanding, TRU or SOS.
Part of the answer is,
no more squad cars to
just make a report.
The department is taking heat for response times for in-progress calls so, take the heat for not sending report writers out. Once the public becomes accustom to this
the whining will level off. If not, oh well.
Next, trim the house servants. I was in the station the other day and
there were six p.o.'s and
one sgt. working the cRaps office. I can't
begin to imagine how many
mice are at 35th street.
Each with a piece of paper in their hands
looking busy.
Finally, cut some of the specialized units.
Put the police back in the districts. Create
additional tact teams.
Then have each tact team
have a specialty. ie. drugs, guns, burglary etc. Go for quality,
not quantity.
The first responsibility
is to protect life and
property. Not, writing
reports or getting a cat
out of grandmas room because she has asthma.
(The latter was a real call today in 011)
The side of the car states, serve and protect not, nurse maid and raise your kids.
That is my humble opinion.
As I read your comments its almost like a flashback. I came on the job in 67 and retired 5 yrs ago. I can tell you this, when it comes to the patrol div. your at the bottom of the barrel, always were and I fear always will be. We fought for two person cars and a contract against the whole machine and what we have today, many from the past paid for. Until the day the Dept. is able to put a carrot in front of the beat cop it will never change. What ever anyone may think the rubber meets the road of the police dept. with the beat cop. I always marvelled at those deticated beat cop who did thier 30 plus in a beat car. I saw many a young officers lights go out after a few years. The realization that without any help they weren t going nowhere no matter how hard they worked. Even the bosses in the patrol div. are there cause the can t get out. But God bless those few who never looked to the dept for thier inspiration to do the job. They did to honor those who went before them, some of which paid the ultimate sacrifice. The nature and calling of police work is bigger than the police dept. or any of us. I can only pray that those brothere and sisters of mine who come behind me will not be discouraged to the greater call of thier proffession.
5:35-
A rapid is just another name for what used to be called "power car, sector car, or crime car". In reality they are just another beat car.
why hasn't the media been cross referencing the Ryan Rusch beating with this incident(this was the 13year old white kid that was beat into a coma 2 yrs ago by 3 m/1's at beverly park) I see a pattern, both incidences at a chicago park, both involving a black on white crime and both victims beaten into a coma! lets here the media report this: don't count on it, it's easier to blame the police, it sells!
the true answer to manpower shortage is to downsize all units. This includes 2 tac teams,1 gang team per district, gang intelligence needs to be down sized to 5 teams of 10 po's,1 team per area, narcotics needs to be downsized, fusion unit, cage unit, doc unit, Jttf unit,sos, tru,fugitive apprehension, area mission,gun and saturation teams.this has become the department of units, we need to go back to district policing. we don't need all these units. don't get me wrong there are some hard workers in each one of these units but alot of dead weight too!!!!
Here is your new head of OPS:
Ilana B.R. Rosenzweig, Esq.
Ms. Rosenzweig is an attorney with the Office of Independent Review (OIR). OIR attorneys contract with the County of Los Angeles to provide oversight and legal advice regarding the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. OIR’s mission is to ensure that allegations of misconduct by members of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department (LASD) are investigated and reviewed in a fair, thorough, and impartial manner. As an attorney at OIR, Ms. Rosenzweig provides oversight of internal investigations of allegations of misconduct and internal reviews of uses of force, including shootings. She makes recommendations regarding the outcome of investigations, and also appropriate discipline for any founded allegations. In addition, Ms. Rosenzweig and OIR study LASD policies, procedures, and training to identify any needing improvement. Ms. Rosenzweig has worked with LASD on changes to training and policy in various areas, including shooting at cars, investigating civil tort claims filed in preparation for litigation, surveillance policies and training for COPS deputies, and force reporting procedures in crowd control operations.
Prior to joining OIR, Ms. Rosenzweig practiced law at Munger, Tolles & Olson, LLP, where her practice focused on complex commercial litigation. She also served, pro bono, on the staff of Merrick J. Bobb, Special Counsel to the County of Los Angeles, contributing to semiannual reports regarding LASD. She received her B.A. from the College of William and Mary and her J.D. from the University of Michigan Law School.
What was said at that meeting? Lots of lies and promisses that they (bosses) aren't going to keep. No one is suspended no one is going to get fired. They are going to give beat 834 a little more "police' presence and then when the nieghbors feel a false sense of security, it's going to go back to the same old thing....no manpower...no service. Give it a couple of weeks and this will blow over.
WTF:
“Jon Burge is a perfect example of why we don’t believe we’re getting the right kind of response from politicians in this city. We can trust the mayor to do a lot of things, but I don’t think oversight over the Office of Professional Standards — or whatever name it takes on — is the right thing to have him do,” said former 22-year veteran Chicago Police Officer Matt Brandon.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/475894,071907ops.article
I was not there (only because I was working) but I am a resident. I heard from people that attended that the meeting went well. The Police / OEMC heads / and others tried to quell the situation with pre-thought responses but were then overwhelmed by the community outrage. The residents were then allowed to speak their minds. There were white, black, and hispanic residents in attendance, all of whom (except for a couple of people who apparantly wanted to make it a racial issue)were in favor of 008 keeping it's cars on beat 834. I heard a woman demanded that Burke's around the clock police protection be removed. I also heard a black woman stating that she moved to the area to get AWAY from this type of uncivil nonsense. Oh yeah, people also promised to write numerous letters to the Olympic Committee encouraging them NOT to come to Chicago because there is no Police manpower and Chicago is not safe. Kudos to all that attended. I wish I could have been there.
008th District resident and CPD
What's the deal with the homicide at 4600 N. Milwaukee Ave? Is this just some Polish Mob stuff or something more sinister? Way too close to the Motherland.
Corporation Counsel Mara Georges has argued that coercion is difficult to define and typically boils down to a “he-said-she-said” situation. She said the mayor’s negotiating team will seek to lengthen the seven-year rule for non-sustained complaints registered involving excessive force or allegations of criminal conduct. But, she said there is no way to write into the ordinance provisions that undermine the police contract.
I hope that the FOP is guaranteeing the preservation of what limited contractual rights exist during contract negotiations. Extending the 7 year window on NONSUSTAINED CR's is plain insanity!!!
People, please voice your opinions to the FOP, flood them with phone calls or it will get MUCH WORSE.
What exactly does this mean?
At the last minute, the mayor agreed to allow the new OPS to investigate coercion of defendants and witnesses.
Does anyone have any insight on who the new director of OPS,Ilana B.R. Rosenzweig, is?
What aldermen abstained form the vote? Two did not vote,would be nice to know who they are.
Minutes after the 48-0 vote, Daley appointed Los Angeles attorney Ilana B.R. Rosenzweig to be the chief administrator of the new OPS
This should be interesting to see:
“We need to determine if there have been meritorious promotions of any of these 662 police officers on that list. We cannot backhandedly support this type of behavior…
Alderman Brookins states,"Our residents are clamoring and crying for aggressive policing. But, that does not mean crossing the line,”
Does he really believe that this new policies and lynchings are motivating officers to become more aggressive?
Does the media know something that we don't know in relation to the SOS deal???
OPS Director Tisa Morris was forced out last fall in the wake of the cops-as-burglars scandal in the elite Special Operations Sections that’s about to get even bigger.
I remember the days when every car was manned 10-4 unit, 1-2 park cars up, 1-2 wagons up, mall car up, 1-3 traffic cars up, 1-3 incident cars up, foot posts and you still had all the specialized units going.
Thats manpower. Response time was great, back-up was great, you could get anytime off you wanted, no problem with furlough extensions, no problem calling in last minute for day off, no lunches refused and everybody did their share of jobs so each car wasnt bombarded with 30 jobs a night, it was more like 4-8 jobs a night which left ample time to go out and Hunt for badguys. Ahhh, those were the days.
No one at OEMC is watching their borads because of the 24 hour buffet.
Off Topic, Scc can you start a post on a B.S. Cr# that is on a P.O.'s record that is totally unfounded or exonerated, a post on how certain p.o.'s can tell how their current star is falling apart, and finally a story how p.o.'s have been bricked because of something they did or didnt do and is there any way to prove you have been pricked by a particular boss.
what we're short on manpower couldnt tell in 011 1st watch, most nights all beat cars filled, 2 or 3 incident cars, and 2 traffic cars, haha sux for you short districts
2 LAWSUITS FILED INT THE DURKIN PARK MELEE:
CHICAGO -- A Cook County judge has ordered the City of Chicago to preserve all 911 tapes and other records relating to a brawl in a Southwest Side park on Saturday night after the father of two teens hurt in the incident filed a lawsuit.
http://www.nbc5.com/news/13715862/detail.html?dl=mainclick
was this call read out at least once as a 1A? was 805 up and available? should they have responded/taken the call as it involved a park? i don't know but is it safe to assume the park officer is a dog ass?
This is interesting:
CPD Sworn 13,619
City pop. 2,833,321
LAPD Sworn
Sworn 9,500 Non-sworn 3,000
City pop. 3,849,378
http://www.economist.com/
background/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9302881
So... how many CPD are actually OUT on the streets, and how many behind desks, etc.??????
Sounds like we need more non-sworn to handle admin. ?? Can anyone confirm?
As a dispatcher, I feel compelled to respond here. Some of you are more understanding than others.
This whole incident is a shame. I am glad no one got killed. What is not being said, this is the 3rd incident in the same park that day. Why, was it not duly noted and pre-cautions taken at the district level?
This should not turn into a dispatcher vs the police issue. It should be a dispatcher and police vs this dept/city issue. We as dispatchers are the 2nd to know that there are too many calls and no one to respond to them...You officers are the 1st to know.
As dispatchers we have the job of telling you all where to go ....when know that most of these places are ratholes, most of the jobs that we give out we shouldn't be going on, and you all are tired of dealing with the nonsense. We have written, talked to , debated with management about the lack of manpower to respond and the unrealistic times that are put on us to dispatch these jobs also about the jobs that we receive. Even the calltakers are getting frustrated because they have to send these jobs over and they know they are b/s.
It has been stated that 26 mins is just too long of a time....well, what about the stuff that sits for 4 and 5 hrs?
It is easy to monday morning quarterback on what happened. I won't though. These dispatchers are experienced and work that zone on a regular basis. It could have been me or anyone of my co-workers that this happened too. No one knows if anyone had been sent, could those 2 officers been injured at the time? There are a whole lot of what if's. The only thing that is for certain is this:
1) There had been multiple incidents already at this park and the supv's, w/c's , d/c should have taken the extra pre-caution.
2) Lack of man power.
I am willing to wager that,Los Angeles attorney Ilana B.R. Rosenzweig OPS's new chief administrator will last less than one year in the position.
Da Mayor made a brilliant strategic move by bringing in an outsider to clean up the mess. With all the upcoming scandals about to surface "the outsider" will delegate discipline, insulating Da Mayor from the fallout.
OPS will now be tasked with many of the "dirty jobs" removing the Superintendent from the fallout too.
After the mess is sorted through and the house is considered clean she will leave Chicago with a major resume enhancement and the title of "Reformer of the CPD"
This little arrangement also appeases the community groups and the leftist anti-police crowd. They now have an "independent outsider" metting out discipline.
Expect an announcement of the new Superintendent shortly. A further deluge of exempt retirements and an entire restructuring of the CPD.
It is definitely a transitional time to be a Chicago copper.
Cummulatively totalled, this could be as big as Mayor Richard J. Daley's O.W. Wilson.
To 05:35:
Rapids are what we oldtimers used to call sector cars, and what dinosaurs called umbrella cars.
Let all cars pull up the jobs pending. TRU and SOS and any car up could have pulled up the pending assignments and headed over to the scene. I am a Sgt. and code plenty of B.S. jobs as well as hot calls. I'll get on the air and say give me that person with a gun at ... and other cars and units always fly to the scene too. There are more good workers that will use this than there are dogs that will abuse it.
Until all beat and rapids are fully staffed and there are enough POs left over to let Patrol Officers take off whenever they need to, the Department should get rid of ALL of the alphabet units and bullshit assignments. These Units include, but are not limited to:
1. All of OCD
2. All CAPS Officers
3. The entire DOC
4. All of SOS, including SWAT (put those heavy weapons in the Districts)
You get the idea.
Now, the way to tell if the special unit should go back to Patrol is to ask a patrol officer in a busy district if they can remember anytime that the special unit helped him or her do their job better. If the answer is no, the unit goes back to patrol. Period.
Does anyone see a massive restructuring of the CPD and a back to the basics syle of policing coming?
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The rate of pay is $125 for 8 hours and time and a half after that. A nice lunch is provided. The real officers that have already been cast have been having a blast! There are other scenes available aside from the above dates.
If you are interested, please call the hotline at 312-924-1805 and leave your name and phone number and let them know you are calling about the marching scene.
Our motto used to be, "We serve and Protect."
Now it's, "Special interests first. Neighborhoods last."
Could you do a post on contract proposals?
http://www.chicagofop.org/Contract/Proposals/2007/2007_Proposal_Summary.pdf
I heard Dana Starks put his papers in today effective Aug. 16, 2007. Good luck Dana.
The dispatcher did sit on the calls that were coming in until some cop got on and asked for a 10-1 just to get their attention. She said "I have no one to send"....You could try to give it out and see who can get over there you moron! It wasnt the beat cars in 008's fault, the "OEMC" sucks. Put the cops back on the radio, they have a clue what needs to get done.
And it was a hate crime and the little scumbag drove his car into the crowd on purpose. Doesnt anyone have balls enough to just do what has to be done. What a sad situation. You police are in a no-win situation.
This is had to be hard to miss,
Police found a hit-and-run victim underneath the car that apparently struck him on the city's northwest side on Wednesday night.
Police said they believe the man was dragged for MORE THAN A MILE.
The owner of the car is being questioned
FEEL BAD FOR THE DISPATCHERS ....DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW LONG THEY ARE BEING SUSPENDED FOR ? OR ARE THEY GETTING FIRED? THE SUPERVISORS AT 911 SHOULD ALSO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE .THEY'RE SUPPOSE TO BE MONITORING THE SCREENS ...DIDNT THEY SEE THE 50+ CALLS ON THE BOARD ??? WHY DIDNT THEY WALK OVER TO ZONE 6 AND ASK WHAT WAS GOING ON ????
We are NOT short manpower. It's redeployed to TRU. Over 300 officers in that unit alone and another 200 or so in 153. That's alot of officers not handling radio assignments, simply driving around looking for the one bagger.
Also, there is anywhere from 300 to 600 officers on the medical daily. Sorry boys, we are at almost full strengh.
SCC, I got an idea. Put your pen down, get from behind your desk job, and hit the streets with the working cops to reduce crime. Now pat yourself on your back (again) for knowing everything.
When OPS is headed by people who will fire cops as a "revolving door" soon as possible because they bruised someone, for example, fighting them with a pipe.
Watch Chicago's crime skyrocket. Good news for these alderman looking for votes. Crime as Detriot, but worse.
Wait, the new OPS will fire a cop for drawing a gun upon an armed assailant. Criminals start your engines. Yuppies move out you've lost your protection and people in high crime areas buy an illegal gun because Chicago coppers will soon be disarmed.
Good Luck.
OPS needs teeth because 20 bad cops make the news a year.
The criminals have teeth.
Now the police have nothing to prevent, deter, or protect themselves from criminals and attackers.
Get a CR become stripped and thanks for playing you are now fired. Daley, created a way in order to never to pay a pension.
To all the anti sos yappers out there: these new officers coming in are a pretty good bunch. I've worked here long enough to see quality when I see it. I've also seen the bottom of the barrel, but JF and his crew are gone and these new coppers coming in are making sos proud once again.
Oh come on now. We all see those late rapids in 025 all go down on one arrest. 10 PO's on "1" head???? Maybe when their Sgt. is forced off the job next year things will change? HARDLY!
7/19/2007 0604 hrs hit it right on the head. Get the phony medical abusers back to work. I'm sure they can answer the phone at home. They can answer the phone at work and allow the able-bodied to get back in the game.
Same goes for the phony disability pension roll people. They're draining our pension. They never get reevaluated and never get sent back to work. They're laughing and we're paying.
Note that this is directed only at the phonies. My comments are not intended to refer to people with legit illnesses, injuries, or disabilities.
8 is just to damn big! there would be more cars available if the size of the district was reduced at least by half.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19853442/
Read this story and see how manpower has an effect nation wide on safety!!
Dont worry 43B and B.T. will handle everything! They work well together.
Volunteer its only one hour a month, wait a minute I'm not talking about being a police officer. Oh, the one hour a month is for cubscouts. You never heard of 32 cubscouts getting shot in Chicago only honor students!
the city likes the "specialized units" they are not covered by senority related contract issues among other things!!!
wake up, why do you think they have so many....
lets bring in the guardian angels to solve the problem in 008. i have more faith in them restoring the peace then the dogs that work in 008....or lets bring back the civillian night hawks that patroled the st bede parish with access to police radios.they made more arrests then the beat car....
Officers only take one job, DO NOT let the dispatcher STACK jobs. For those inquiring minds this is a STACK job; being dispatched to one call and the dispatcher assigns three other jobs for a total of four while you are still handling your primary call. Officers can only handle one job at a time. Officers you do know that not every call is routine and there are different variables. At times you may have an involved call and the three other jobs in your STACK just sit there on you PDT (Personal Data Terminal); its the computer in the squad car. Keep in mind that others that have called 911 for police service hours ago wait until the Beat or Rapid car gets to the STACK job based on priority. In essence its looked at that the dispatcher assigned all jobs (events) because the dispatcher cleared their dispatch screen. No wonder why people say "I called the Police and noone came" Go figure waiting an hour or more, let alone 20 minutes for an assault.
Hey Chicagoans we are short handed on the street. Years ago Beats should have been redrawn, but politians and police management don't want to touch a political HOT potatoe. I came on the job back in the mid 90's. Generally, on third watch and midnights there would be 2 person vehicles for both Beat and Rapid Response cars. Now in mid 2000's
hardly any Rapid Response cars, and alot of singe person units.
Oh I failed to mention at the end that I have police dispatcher experience compliments of OEMC. Yeap been there done that too.
I'm retired now, but I'm told by relatives on the Dept. that there are NO POLICE. This is dangerous. Why all the press on "bad cops" and none on "bad city government". Where's Carol Marin when you need her? HIRE SOME COPS!!!!!!!
To all you non-police monitoring this site: Police and dispatchers did there jobs. You cannot send what you don't have. Police bosses making inuendos of above are talking heads.
Anonymous said...
Lies! Lies! Lies! There is no manpower shortage. Only PO's which hide and stay down on bogus street stops or asst. jobs. Too many PO's checking the pending jobs on their computers so as to avoid them.
7/19/2007 08:26:00 AM
Hey Smart Guy, Most Districts use the new PDT's and only SGT's can check pending jobs on them. and 008 District has the new PDT's. So your theory holds no water in this incident. JACK-ASS!
With out hiring any extra bodies, they have created units (TRU) and additional mission teams to police the ghetto. They have pulled these bodies from the places where normal, law abiding taxpayers live. Dear citizens of 008,022, 016 you are getting fucked so that Comrade Daley can appease the reverends and keep the worthless gang bangers from hurting each other. As usual, the tail wags the dog in this Chocolate City.
Lies! Lies! Lies! There is no manpower shortage....
OK, brainwashed 35 Michigan troll, Come over to 008, 3rd watch for a week and you will see the light.
Years ago when I worked in 008, before CAPS and cameras ,every beat was manned with not one but 2 Po's, three wagons one for each sector plus we had park cars for each park, a Ford City car to cover the shoplifers and incident cars.We had foot officers to walk the businesses. Officers to handled strictly traffic accidents. 008 was a nice place not only to live but to work AND we still had *inside people*.
Glad Im retired now...stay safe
People are pissed about the 26 minutes, but they are even more pissed that offender got off with bullshit tickets!
7/19/2007 09:42:00 AM
Can You say "insult to injury"? It is MANPOWER! If you had enough people to man the cars on a daily basis there would be no need to break up the district in something smaller. The city is micro-managing and trying to do more with less! Its never worked in the past why would it work now. The Police & Fire Dept's should be the #1 Priority and sadly its not.
I hate to say it but, Scottsdale has been turning into a ghetto for a while now. Any copper with kids that lives in Scottsdale, in their right mind would get the HELL out of there, and FAST. It’s going to get worse in Scottsdale, not better, it’s just Englewood moving farther west.
I say we make a unit to specialize in solving the manpower shortage. Pull 10 bodies from each district and I'm sure they will find an answer for us. It isn't rocket science people. Fat Phil created all these specialized units and pulled the bodies from patrol. He never worked patrol and thought patrol was useless. Well now he is starting to realize that the Patrol Division is the backbone of this department. He did the same thing to the detective division. These divisions need to be fully manned. He has ruined this whole department. It is much much worse than when he got it. Thank God he's Gone!! The only one's who will miss him are the 3,000 P.O.'s over at Homan Square.
To: 7/19/2007 02:46:00 PM
>>Everyone is bitching (in the media) that the citizens are al pissed because of the reponse time. NOT. THEY ARE PISSED BECAUSE THE RACE RIOT STARTED BY THE BLACKS WAS NOT CHARGED. The Cook County State's Attorneys once again refused to file charges because in cook county you can not have a black on white hate crime. Instead, give the little fucker who mowed down 7 people in a car traffic tickets. Good job you fucking liberal pieces of shit. I understand the original beating victim cannot be found....Did it even happen or was it just the GD's decided to beat the shit out of a white/hispanic kid. Numerous stories of this nature. But leonard Clark was the story for 3 months and everybody got charged....If you're white in this city you are a second class citizen. If your the police in this city you are a peasant. Fuck OFF JAGOFFS!!!! Charge the crime, not the political response...You should al be burned at the stake....<<
Just for your information, this crap was started when a group of white teenagers who were drinking in the park, decided to chase a black teenager but was unable to catch him. Then the mob turned their sight on another black teenager who was walking with a girl, they chased, caught and beat him until that resident came to his aid. So for you stupid uninformed idiots, it wasn't the blacks who started it.
And the original victim was found.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here's a little perspective.
We hire and train 50 officers a month on average.
We have over 700 officers on non-IOD medical, or light duty on any given day. Those officers alone collectively represent the third largest police department in Illinois, behind the CPD and State Police. How many of those officers are abusing the system? If you didn't answer most, then you are lying to yourself or you have no idea of the reality on the ground.
LAPD polices a greater geographic area and population with 20% fewer police.
We need to crack down hard on the medical abusers. This alone would greatly reduce our manpower shortage.
Anonymous said...
How about the 009th District car that is assigned to Ald. Burke's office on 51st St. for extra protection. He already has at least 4 coppers making seargents pay at his disposal.
7/19/2007 09:14:00 AM
----DoN'T FORGET ABOUT THE ONE SITTING AT HIS HOUSE TOO !!!!
Stop caring. Answer your calls and thats it. You let this department string you around like a bunch a puppets.
Stop. Give them nothing to complain or write about and this will all go away.
Why on earth would you want to go out there and make an arrest when you will only get grief for it?
Just stop. Answer your calls and write a ton of reports for whatever you can.
If you dont fuel the fire it wont burn...wake up!
Renee, for the last time SHUT UP! You have never been the Police and have only lived in Chicago for what a year now?
What makes you think you have the right to tell us what needs to be done to correct the Problems of the Chicago Police Department.
Please go take care of your little LEOmemorial site and leave us alone.
Is it true that the 008th district commander went to rollcall and told everyone that they are NOT to talk to anyone about the police department being short on people? They are instead to tell them to direct their questions to the district. PITIFUL
Yes dork, you can check pending jobs on the computer. Ask 2513 on afternoons.
Anonymous said...
calling all cars
make copy of work sheets on all watches in every district
highlight down cars and one man units
write in officers names that are assigned to inside spots
send a copy to newspapers and mayors office
7/19/2007 12:47:00 PM
* Don't forget to include the beat cars that are actually WAGONS, so most of the time they are down doing transports and can't actually be used to take calls on that particular beat.
* AND Don't forget the cars that can't be used to take ANY calls because they are DETAILED to something!!
--- Alderman's offices
--- Alderman's homes
--- the Mayor's home
--- the DOC
--- Basketball tournaments at the park districts
--- the "B TEam" in 009 as someone mentioned before
It's ALL B.S. and takes away from people with real emergencies getting any help from the police in a TIMELY MANNER !!!!!
I think it's only a matter of time something like this is gonna happen in the 10 sector in 009. The 10 sector in 009 is pne of the busoest sectors in the city. that sector has just about every gang you can think of, who are always shooting and killing each other. And guess what? There is not one...ONE rapid car on the 10 sector. The beat cars on that sector take a brutal beating, every single day.
I don't thnk the issue here is manpower. It's the useless units that have hundreds of p/o's, and district desks have like 5 p/o's working it every day. Just imagine the manpower if they disbanned the useless units and stopped putting 5 p/o's on a desk.
Anonymous said...
OK, someone tell me whats the difference between a RAPID and regular car. Does it mean they only respond to hot calls and not available for regular calls?
Been away for awhile,sounds confusing,just another layer of policing borrowed from some other department that sounds like its not working.
ANSWER>>>> A "regular car" or better known as a Beat Car, is assigned to a particular beat such as 811, 812, 813, 814, or 815. A Rapid is a car that would cover ALL of those beats, better known as the 10 sector. A rapid could take a job on any of those beats, or in a pinch even be pulled to another sector where they might be short on cars.
When it comes down to it, and the zone is in a backlog, all that CAPS dispatching policy crap goes out the window, and the dispatchers do the best they can keeping beat cars and rapids in their "assigned area" but it cant always be done. And the original intended purpose of rapids i think was supposed to be for hot calls. but when you have serious manpower shortages, rapids get sent on anything.
Anonymous said...
Yes dork, you can check pending jobs on the computer. Ask 2513 on afternoons.
7/19/2007 11:32:00 PM
Not on the NEW PDT's, not unless your a white shirt, You can't do it. Unless you know of some way to access it on the new PDT's? Please fill us in on how to do it?
Oh come on now. We all see those late rapids in 025 all go down on one arrest. 10 PO's on "1" head???? Maybe when their Sgt. is forced off the job next year things will change? HARDLY!
7/19/2007 08:50:00 PM
Amen-- their Sgt. calls them before seat belt missions and tell them to go down on something-- so they can be free and clear to DOG IT UP. Or-- he just lets them all go in on an 'investigation', when all they have is one dime bag. DOGS!! But look on the WHITESIDE-- Oops,, I mean BRIGHTSIDE.
downsize all units...we don't need all these units...don't get me wrong there are some hard workers in each one of these units but alot of dead weight too!!!!
7/19/2007 04:15:00 PM
So you're advocating the return of dead weight to patrol? Maybe you'll get K-9 pay when that dog is sitting next to you.
To those asking what rpaid response cars are, they are exactly the same thing as the sector cars of years ago.
Rapid response cars function within a sector primarily responding to in progress jobs and are supposed to stay within that sector.
With things the way they are,(manpower),they are being used all over the district as beat cars. That is when they are even manned,in some districts you are lucky if all the beat cars are manned.
7/19/2007 09:40:00 PM
former dispatcher, uhh hello--- we can figure out who you are with all the info you provided!!
and how are officers going to NOT LET the dispatcher stack jobs?? Unless it's a 1A, the dispatcher IS allowed to stack priority 2 and priority 3 jobs. Refusing to take them isnt going to solve any problems!
From a managerial standpoint, the current manpower shortage int he district is a nightmare. Try telling PO's,Sgts and Lts that there compensatory time can not be allocated.
Po's think things are bad with time due,try getting it in a white shirt at the district level.
This situation is not helping morale,response times or facilitating officer/citizen relations.
Now that the initial lawsuits have been filed in the Durkin Park racial attacks this district manpower crisis problem will finally some much needed attention.
Thank God that no policeman have been killed yet as a result of the lack of police officers in Chicago.
I sincerely pray that is not what it will take to hire more officers.
There are sergeants logging entire districts now,they complain about no supervision but won't promote or hire enough officers.
MEDIA FLASH
What is the attrition rate of the CPD annually?
When calcualting the annual CPD attrition rate factor in the number of;
retirements,
terminations,
resignations,
deaths,
permanent disabilities,
probationary police officer dismisals,
etcetra
How many police officers is the CPD hiring annually?
What is the actual number of police officers on the payroll receiving a biweekly check?
What is the number of police officers,meaning patrolman not inclusive of any other rank?
How many patrolmen are assigned to the districts?
Please look at these numbers analytically, use a FOIA request to obtain them and conduct a true investigation.
The taxpayers deserve to know and the officers deserve the truth before someone is killed.
A comparative analysis of the City of Chicago budget and assigned police personnel would be very interesting indeed.
Officers please advise your loved ones of your concerns on the lack of manpower available on the street.
Advise them that you fear for your safety and that in the event that any misfortune befalls you;IE. death,serious injury,etc. that you wish them to address this as a root cause and contributing factor via a competent and aggressive law firm. The city only understands lawsuits.
OFFICER SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT
DO NOT BE A SUPERHERO,RESPONDING TO 1A JOBS AS A 10-99 UNIT.
REQUEST AN ASSIST AND WAIT UNTIL YOUR ASSIST IS PRESENT.
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE BEING SHOT,KILLED & BATTERED AT A LEVEL THAT HAS NOT BEEN SEEN IN OVER 30 YEARS.
BE SMART,BE SAFE
DEMAND THAT FOP/PBPA ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AS A SAFETY CONCERN
YOUR PRIMARY JOB IS TO RETURN HOME TO YOUR LOVED ONES IN ONE PIECE AT THE END OF YOUR TOUR OF DUTY.
CHICAGO HAS NOTHING TO FEAR ABOUT THE ESCALATION OF HOMICIDE RATES ADVERSELY AFFECTING CHICAGO'S CHANCE AT THE 2016 OLYMPICS.
THE PRIMARY COMPETITOR IS RIO DE JANIERO. IN 2006 RIO HAD OVER 6,000 HOMICIDES.
THE FOCUS ON THE REDUCTION OF THE HOMICIDE RATE WITHIN CHICAGO IS TWOFOLD.
1. 2016 OLYMPICS
2. CHICAGO'S BOND RATING
VIOLENT CRIME RATES ARE UP NATIONALLY, PRIMARILY IN THE MIDWEST.
STANDARD & POORS,MOODY INVESTOR SERVICES AND FITCH ALL REALIZE THAT CRIME IS UP AND WILL TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN ISSUING THE CITY'S BOND RATING. VIOLENT CRIME IS CYCLICAL AND HAS A MULTITUDE OF VARYING FACTORS,MANY OF WHICH ARE UNCONTROLLABLE.
We also notice that the powers that be are loathe to mention the fact that 008 is so damned geographically big that it could be its own suburb of Chicago. And that it's so damned big that 008 sergeants won't allow cross-sector dispatching, they'll have a 10-sector car take a vice/disturbance call in the sector instead of a domestic/in-progress in the 30.
The poster before about the medical abuse is 100% correct.
I remember about 5 years ago they were going to make another unit. The Medical Integrity Unit. It was supposed to manned with officers/detectives that investigated the officers with histories of medical usage/abuse to make sure that these officers were really medically unable to work.
It was shitcanned once they realized they would pay more on lawsuits to minorities and females for the lawsuits than they do in lost time wages. TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. A political hot potato for da mayor and his then Sup Hilliard...
Leo Memorial, who the FUCK do you think you are posting a picture of our fallen brother as your fucking avitar? Change it.
I couldn't agree more about the 10 sect in 009. The sheer volume of calls is out of control. And now i can't believe that this new w/c isn't putting up any rapids. Or even better, he's using/disguising the 10 sect rapids as "b team" cars. So it shows them up on the sheets but they take no calls. I feel for the beat guys/gals over there. It isn't fair.
And still you idiots will go out there and write parkers, movers for these bosses. Tools.
Every victim from Durkin Park should immediately file suit and demand that the proper charges are enacted by the States Attorneys Office. (HATE CRIME,AGGRAVATED BATTERY,FELONY MOB ACTION)
This is as close to lighting the fuse that the City of Chicago has come to a major race riot since Marquette/Gage Park exploded.
Race relations are extremely strained in certain neighborhoods at the moment. The politicians and the media knoW this and are attemtpting to keep a tight lid on it.
I think it's only a matter of time something like this is gonna happen in the 10 sector in 009. The 10 sector in 009 is pne of the busoest sectors in the city. that sector has just about every gang you can think of, who are always shooting and killing each other. And guess what? There is not one...ONE rapid car on the 10 sector. The beat cars on that sector take a brutal beating, every single day.
I don't thnk the issue here is manpower. It's the useless units that have hundreds of p/o's, and district desks have like 5 p/o's working it every day. Just imagine the manpower if they disbanned the useless units and stopped putting 5 p/o's on a desk.
How about 51 when not on the b team. and 52 is up everyday. and most of the other rapids ride on 13, 14, and 15's beats, so that leaves what 11 and 12. gimmme a break.
7/20/2007 12:01:00 AM
"The 10 sector in 009 is pne of the busoest sectors in the city."
When you get off of probation kid, their is alot you haven't seen yet. Try not to sound to ignorant.
"that sector has just about every gang you can think of"
try working in 025
"The beat cars on that sector take a brutal beating, every single day."
yeah......ok , if this is what the academy is producing, we as a department are in bad shape.
Ha ha ha!!! Just as I predicted. This city is going up in flames! It's just the beginning. Morale at an all time low, former working coppers now just collecting a check, nothing but incompetance and "yes men" at the supervisory level.... I'm looking out for my family, friends and brothers in blue. The rest of you liberals and ungrateful assholes... Good Luck!! You liberal jack asses and political hacks have finally got what you want... a bunch of paper pushing donothings collecting a check. Enjoy the carnage!!!!!
LOOK LOOK LOOK.......................................At the City Map the great neighbprhods were on the edges far north west south west east west Soputh west in 008 Garfield/ridge Durkin park/Scotsdalle ashbiurn 022 Mt Grnwood Beverly and southeast 0055 northwest 016,.... All under seige now or soon will be . Others gone already...................Answer Move to the City Center and let the dirt bags take te outskirts of town,,,,,,,,,Master Plan of King Richard Daley
7/19/2007 11:14:00 PM
Absolute Bullshit correlation between the demographics of Chicago/LA and CPD/LAPD.
NYC Population-8,008,278
NYPD-41,584 sworn officers
Chicago Population-2,896,000
CPD Strength-Allegedly 13,200,more like 9,874 sworn officers.
Los Angeles Population-3,844,829
LAPD Strength-9,500
Total number of civilian employees:3,000
LA Sheriff's Dept.-Total number of sworn officers: 8,553
Total number of civilian employees: 5,815
Los Angeles is supplemented by the LASD and the CHP. LASD also entirely patrols LA'S Mass Transit.
The Sheriff of Los Angeles County oversees the largest Sheriff's Department in the world, providing police services to all unincorporated county areas as well as to 41 of the 88 municipalities with police service contracts. If all of this were not enough, the Sheriff also provides police services for all 349 miles of Metrolink train routes and the entire bus and light rail system of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA). Although the Sheriff's Department has often been portrayed in television shows and motion pictures like the LAPD, it has not achieved the same level of international acclaim and recognition. Litigation is forth coming in relation to this crisis and the tragedy it has already caused.
Please,before you make completely misleading and untruthful statements take a few minutes to conduct some thorough research.
I am assuming that you are an apologist from City Hall or Police Headquarters trying to minimize the severity of the lack of sworn police officers on the Chicago Police Department. It has become readily apparent and quite pronounced that there is a serious operational crisis within the CPD. Please initiate steps to rectify the problems by hiring an additional 3,300 officers and bring the CPD back to budgeted strength.
Instructing police officers not to comment on the situation or to defer to management, about this most serious situation, is not working.
7/19/2007 05:55:00 PM
Leomemorial,
You are extremely misinformed about the demographical comparisons between Chicago and LA. Please read the above post, I know you are well intentioned but you are spreading bad information.
Even if the CPD hired more civilians you would still need to know someone to get hired, this is afterall Chicago.
Maybe you should test for the CPD and try it out, it appears you are quite infatuated by Policemen.
Seiser must have been off that day.....
Anonymous said...
Lies! Lies! Lies! There is no manpower shortage. Only PO's which hide and stay down on bogus street stops or asst. jobs. Too many PO's checking the pending jobs on their computers so as to avoid them.
7/19/2007 08:26:00 AM
THE NEW PDT'S DON'T ALLOW US TO DO THIS NICE TRY THOUGH SERG.
Anonymous said...
How about the 009th District car that is assigned to Ald. Burke's office on 51st St. for extra protection. He already has at least 4 coppers making seargents pay at his disposal.
7/19/2007 09:14:00 AM
THERE IS ALSO A CAR SITIING AT BURKE'S HOUSE IN 008. MANPOWER WHAT? YEAH SQUAD I'LL GO TO THAT 10-1 OR CLEAN UP YOUR BOARD OR LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO ARREST BUT I CAN'T LEAVE THIS POST. 832 OR 855 WE WOULD GO TOO BUT WE ARE DETAILED TO THE C.R.O.E(COALITION FOR THE REMEMBERANCE OF ELIJAH MUHAMMAD /www.croe.org)SORRY.
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY SOMEONE THAT MAKES A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY HAS POLICE OFFICERS ACTING AS HIS PERSONAL SECURITY(MAYOR'S DETAIL) AND WATCHING HIS HOUSE/ OFFICE. SHOULD THIS NOT COME OUT OF HIS OWN VERY LARGE POCKET???
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND A MAYOR'S DETAIL. BUT WHEN DID THEY BECOME THE ALDERMAN'S DETAIL? DO ALL OF THE ALDERCREAPS HAVE 2 P.O'S DRIVING THEM AROUND IN UNMARKED POLICE CARS PROTECTING THEM? IF SO WHY? ARE THEY NOT VOTED IN BY THE PEOPLE? AND IF THEY ARE WHY WOULD THEIR PEOPLE WANT TO HARM THEM?
AND AS FAR AS THE C.R.O.E. GOES DO ALL OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCHS IN THE CITY GET THE SAME POLICE SERVICE.
DIDN'T THINK SO.
(p.s. sorry about the caps lock just realized it was on.)
DANA STARKS used to answer calls when he was Commander of 011, and he drove around 10-99 all of he time. I've seen several other commanders do this as well, in a few other South and West Side Districts. While I will admit it is not a common occurrence, there are a few commanders out there who have never forgotten how to Police the streets.
why is it that the 009th district always have to interject with there bullshit about stuff that doesnt have to do with the topic posted.no one cares about your manpower shortage or your 10 sector or that stupid b-team. scc please ban the 009th district babies from posting there nonsense. these guys are complete losers
Did the dispathers that night ever go over the air with that job saying "cars in 088 and citywide there is a ......)? or did they wait for an unit to come clear?
Anonymous said...
Leo Memorial, who the FUCK do you think you are posting a picture of our fallen brother as your fucking avitar? Change it.
7/20/2007 01:45:00 AM
I was thinking the same thing!!!!!!!!
are whites ever the vitims of a hate crime?????i dont think so. its really fucking sad how any time a black or hispanic is involved in an altercation with a white the race card is always brought up and usually the white is charged with the felony. of course the cry from politcal leaders such as jackson, meeks, goofball pleger, gutierrez,munoz, acevado always seek an outcry from the public and demand answers.the incident is on the news for months and marches/protests always begin. look at the gregory becker case ex cpd who shot the homeless man....of course they wanted a hate crime because the victim was black.look at the sting on 26th street with the illegal making of fraudulent ids....of course all the political hispanic politicians had a large televised meeting about discrimination.or how about the incident with the black stripper and the college boys who claimed she was raped.....i could go on and on but it really goes to show just how biased the criminal justice system is. leonard clark.....perfect example....the la riots with rodney king...perfect example.....the recent la incident involving the two white officers with the piece of shit latino gang memeber....people of different races must feel very inferior that an incident involving a white is always motivated because of hate. or how about the incident involving the college professor who used the n-word as part of class material....of course it was a hate related incident..i give up
C.R.O.E? Please,please, please tell us more about this!
Anonymous said...
Yes dork, you can check pending jobs on the computer. Ask 2513 on afternoons.
7/19/2007 11:32:00 PM
Not on the new pdt's douche-bag
Everybody is bashing TRU and SOS as being useless units but how about Mass Transit?? How many times have you been given a call in the subway, or given a call for a robbery report on a train, or my personal favorite, a suicide by train? Why are beat cars handling these jobs, why isn't mass transit doing them? Keep special employment for riding the trains/ buses and get rid of the rest. How many more would that put back in the districts?
How about 51 when not on the b team. and 52 is up everyday. and most of the other rapids ride on 13, 14, and 15's beats, so that leaves what 11 and 12. gimmme a break.
7/20/2007 02:49:00 AM
What about 51 and 52? 51 is mainly b team amd does not take jobs...52 up every day? When? The 20 and 30 sector have early and late rapids every day.
And 025 district ranger, who's sounding ignorant? Unless you recently worked the 10 sector in 009, don't comment. There was a time the busiest sector in 009 was the 30 sector but now those cars sometimes stay available for hours. Just about every homicide in 009 or agg batt happens in the 10 sector, the most populated sector, 10 also has the most businesses, which leaves more robberies and so on. "try working in 025" Please brother.. If you are so naive to the fact that the 10 sector cars in 009 are getting hammered with no rapids, then we really are looking bad as a department when idiots like you make uneducated comments like that.
Alderman Brookins states,"Our residents are clamoring and crying for aggressive policing. But, that does not mean crossing the line,”
The "residents " can not have it both ways..........Thanks to our civilized society "residents" are above the law.........they beef about everything.........run a red light...get a ticket....they beef about the jag off copper ....get arrested....they beef about the jag off copper....."residents" are going to get the type of police service that they deserve.........none............aggressive patrol....you must be kidding me......Why?? If I stop some kid in Durkin park and he complains to Mama.....I get a CR..........the "residents " have rendered the police department impotent.........they hide the criminals and encourage a anti-police mentality......egged on by the "reverands" and politicians who have their own agendas......they are lawless....afloat and unwilling to bear any responsibility........the "residents" continual harassment of the police department has led to de-policing of neighborhoods.........
"Law without Force is Impotent." Pascal
I don't thnk the issue here is manpower. It's the useless units that have hundreds of p/o's, and district desks have like 5 p/o's working it every day. Just imagine the manpower if they disbanned the useless units and stopped putting 5 p/o's on a desk.
7/20/2007 12:01:00 AM
WHAT, ARE YOU AN IDIOT. OF COURSE IT'S MANPOWER! WE'RE SHORT SOMETHING LIKE 3,000 OFFICERS OUT THERE. HEY STUPID, SOME DISTRICTS LIKE THE HELL WHOLES I WORKED IN MY CARREER, NEED 5 COPPERS WORKING THE DESK TO HANDLE ALL THE NON STOP WALKIN'S, PHONE CALLS AND ALL THAT PAPERWORK. ALL THOSE UNITS YOU'RE DISSING ON ACTUALLY SERVE A PURPOSE DUMMY. I KNOW ALL THE COPPERS THAT I'M TIGHT WITH IN UNITS, GO OUT THERE AND BUST ASS EVERYDAY. GOOD SHIT, NOT 1 BAGGERS SO DON'T EVEN GO THERE.
We are NOT short manpower. It's redeployed to TRU. Over 300 officers in that unit alone and another 200 or so in 153. That's alot of officers not handling radio assignments, simply driving around looking for the one bagger.
Also, there is anywhere from 300 to 600 officers on the medical daily. Sorry boys, we are at almost full strengh.
7/19/2007 08:12:00 PM
IF WE'RE NOT SHORT MANPOWER, WHAT'S OUR CURRENT NUMBER. IT'S REALL EASY FOR AN UNIFORMED PERSON TO SAY THE PHRASE "1 BAGGER". YOU HAVE NO CLUE. I HAVEN'T USED THE MEDICAL IN OVER 10 YEARS AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS LEGIT (BROKEN BONE). I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE ON THE JOB BUT YEARS AGO YOU HAD MULTIPLE TRAFFIC CARS, PARK CARS, INCIDENT CARS, WAGONS, FOOT POSTS AND EVERY CAR 2 MAN AND YOU STILL HAD PEOPLE ON THE MEDICAL AND YOU STILL HAD ALL THOSE SPECIALIZED UNITS, SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
HIRE MORE POLICE!
Anonymous said...
You newsies that monitor this site... utilize your freedom of information powers, and get the actual numbers of the Uniform Allowance Checks issued February of 2007, or better yet, those to be issued on August 1, 2007. The number of checks issued IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER of police officers and supervisors employed by the Chicago Police Department. I think that you'll find that rather than 13,500 active Police Officers as advertised, there are more like 9200. No wonder there's a backlog every night, and no cars available... Oh by the way, what happens to all the salaries for the 4300 ghosts? Something around half a billion dollars when you consider benefits, pension, etc. Where is this money going?
7/19/2007 10:31:00 AM
Thanks For The Info. It's About Time Somebody Put The Real # Out There. That Should Shut Up A Lot Of People. Keep Repeating It On Every Post Unitl Something Is Done About.
I just have a comment to make on the manpower .. I used to work afternoons on one of the busiest zones in the city for many yrs. I can remember all those missions they had. The Commander at the time requesting 6 OFC at a time for some mission or another. My immediate response to that would be an immediate RAP and then I called a "Plan I" which threw them for a loop . U cant do that they would say-- And why can't I ?? U have 6 card down on an assignment I have every right to do that - They weren't very happy with me but who cares ! With a Plan in effect notifications from the City Wide took place and was monitored. I think that Dispatchers should consider that as on of their options... Keep putting plans in !!
We also notice that the powers that be are loathe to mention the fact that 008 is so damned geographically big that it could be its own suburb of Chicago. And that it's so damned big that 008 sergeants won't allow cross-sector dispatching, they'll have a 10-sector car take a vice/disturbance call in the sector instead of a domestic/in-progress in the 30.
7/20/2007 01:21:00 AM
Another reason 008 should be split into 2 districts
More on the Medical Abuse...
Even if your statistics concerning LAPD are correct, and you certainly appear to be well informed on the matter,
you dodge the main point entirely, which is that our officers abuse the medical system.
In fact, if your often touted (and I believe false) manpower number of some 9,000 plus officers, rather than 13,500 officers that the CPD asserts is correct, then you only support my position. Why?
Because we know that we have 700 officers on the medical or extended light duty every day. Not one of those officers were injured in the line of duty. That represents 8% of the entire police department according to your numbers and over 5% of the City's numbers.
You tell me any other organization that tolerates 5% to 8% of its workforce to be on the medical on any given day!
Now, many officers are legitimately ill or injured and thankfully, we have a generous medical policy for those officers. But if you need to be convinced that the majority of those officers are abusing the system then you don't want to be convinced.
We need to police ourselves in this area or someone else will, and shortly. And then it will be the same old tired "coppers fucked it up" story.
By the way, ask a fireman when the last time is he or his buddy was on the medical. They don't put up with it when it's nonesense.
CPDDispatch said...
We also notice that the powers that be are loathe to mention the fact that 008 is so damned geographically big that it could be its own suburb of Chicago
They definitely shrunk the map of 008 to fit the page, it is a massive area to cover....
Tru has 288 POs assigned according to the dept. Add in other units like Nagis, sos, gang intel, DOC, Detached serv., prev prog, vice control and 1st deputy (41 POs), and the area teams; there are over 1300 POs in these units. the Sgts add up to over 170. And that is only a fraction of the units we have. Im sure more personnel are hidden elsewhere.
Time to disband redundant units and cull the others to bolster patrol.
To 05:35:
Rapids are what we oldtimers used to call sector cars, and what dinosaurs called umbrella cars.
7/19/2007 06:29:00 PM
We also used to call them "strat" cars (for strategic response cars. )
5:35-
A rapid is just another name for what used to be called "power car, sector car, or crime car". In reality they are just another beat car.
Disagree....does this sound familair....Squad I need a paper car over here.. they are not the same as a beat car.
I was actually hoping to log on here and see something relevant to the situation that actually occurred.
Instead, I see well over a hundred post whining, and blaming different units for the issue that happened in 008.
Is anyone here aware that this was a racially motivated beating in which a "african american" child was beaten by a gang of white and latino youth?
Is anyone aware that the officers that responded where TRU officers who were assigned to 006, and well out of there area of assignment?
Is anyone aware that they responded to the incident because of a phone call recieved from the son of one of the officers, who was allegedly involved in the beating of the "african american" youth?
Ms. Mitchell, of the Sun Times said it best......
"City's imaginary line still exist"
Racism is so intertwined into the city's "depahdment's", that it would take a neuclear explosion to break it apart.
Would is most interesting about this incident, is the fact that the HATE CRIME isn't even mentioned.
Also, it is funny how the department is split into two halves, and no one can see except those on the bottom end.
The real police: Those who can break rules and procedure, and not have to worry about being reprimanded.
AND....
Those other guys: Those who have to tip-toe over egg shells and hope that they don't get fired for cracking them.
Just ask the A2 officer who placed a kid in a coma after slamming a radio against his head.
This department is split by the same imaginary line that caused the racially motivated beating that day.
Reading this post show's me where these otherwise promising kids get their ideas from. God bless CPD.
Anonymous said...
sorry to inturde, but i am a dispatcher ...
*** I do agree that it isn't JUST the dispatchers fault. The City of Chicago Departments will hang it's employees out to dry to save their own asses. I am one of those officers who is tired of seeing this happen and tired of watching the decision-makers get off scott free. We can sit here on SCC and complain, and hope that someone of importance reads these posts and changes things. Not gonna happen. I have written the media about these issues. Hopefully when they get enough info, they'll confront the white shirts.
Hey guys watch the interview given by Tony Ruiz the new Boss of the OEMC on the amount of time elasping before a squad car was dispatched to Durkin Park on CLTV. I stopped counting the word "UM" after 20 times. You would think a person qualified to run OEMC would be qualified to given an inteligent press statement, "UM" maybe not."UM" I wonder who his political juice is? Hey Tony why dont you take a speech class there you will learn that you never start a sentence with "UM" you poitical hack.
Just for your information, this crap was started when a group of white teenagers who were drinking in the park, decided to chase a black teenager but was unable to catch him. Then the mob turned their sight on another black teenager who was walking with a girl, they chased, caught and beat him until that resident came to his aid. So for you stupid uninformed idiots, it wasn't the blacks who started it.
** True True. The white kids are the ones who initiated it. The black kids then went to get reinforcements.
The Medical Integrity Unit. It was supposed to manned with officers/detectives that investigated the officers with histories of medical usage/abuse to make sure that these officers were really medically unable to work.
**
Something like this Unit is still in the works. But they are only going after those with NON-IOD disability/medical. This makes no sense. Non-IOD or IOD are still draining our manpower. Most IOD's are legit, but I can say there's a few that are out there doing their own thing while IOD. Where's the integrity check on them. How often do they get re-evaluated?
WOOOOOOO! I got my flak jacket on and I'm ready to handle this situation! WOOOOOO!!!
How are you and how do I look?
http://media1.dailysouthtown.com/multimedia/durkin08.jpg_20070719_16_21_32_785-286-400.imageContent
Here's the problem: between SOS, TRU, NAGIS, Gang Intel & the DOC they have 1113 police officers. Over 10% of the ENTIRE dept. If you split that manpower up between the 10 busiest Districts you could add 100 men to each. Citywide units should be small and the District's huge. Then hold the DC accountable for crime conditions. Get ride of desk, CAPS, review and detecive CMO. Hire back retired cops part time,10-20 hours per week to work these slots and get everyone else on the street. We've become, even worse than in years past, secretaries and analysts with guns and not cops. Remember your only job: preserve order and arrest the criminal. Too bad downtown forgot all that.
Funny Medical Roll story from a couple of years ago:
PO sustains supposed IOD (nothing obvious, just general complaints of pain). Goes on Medical for nearly a year. Misses several appointments at Medical Section. No sign of life at officer's home. Neighbors report officer is out of town. Finally, somebody at 35th St. has the gonads to cut off the officer's direct deposit. Very early in the morning on payday, officer goes to ATM machine SEVERAL states away. No money. Officer immediately calls station. Soon thereafter, officer is miraculously cured and returns to work.
WHAT, ARE YOU AN IDIOT. OF COURSE IT'S MANPOWER! WE'RE SHORT SOMETHING LIKE 3,000 OFFICERS OUT THERE. HEY STUPID, SOME DISTRICTS LIKE THE HELL WHOLES I WORKED IN MY CARREER, NEED 5 COPPERS WORKING THE DESK TO HANDLE ALL THE NON STOP WALKIN'S, PHONE CALLS AND ALL THAT PAPERWORK. ALL THOSE UNITS YOU'RE DISSING ON ACTUALLY SERVE A PURPOSE DUMMY. I KNOW ALL THE COPPERS THAT I'M TIGHT WITH IN UNITS, GO OUT THERE AND BUST ASS EVERYDAY. GOOD SHIT, NOT 1 BAGGERS SO DON'T EVEN GO THERE.
No, I'm not "idiot" Let me ask you something, stupid: why do you feel coppers have to sit there and answer phone calls, when they should be answering calls on the street? Why do you feel a copper who makes like $65,000 a year should be handing out radios? Get a civilian, pay um less than half the money, and they could do it. You don't have to tell me about how busy a district desk can get, dummy. Most of that stuff does not require a sworn peace officer, with a loaded gun, to do. Maybe you should ask your "TIGHT" buddies on the units for some insight. Better yet, maybe your "TIGHT" unit buddies can help you down the yellow brick road for some brains...jackass, or should I type like you and say JACKASS?!!
I have nothing bad to say about sos. These guys have been very helpful to us here in 015. The badguys know there is more police presence in our district and they are not happy. I actually have had backup in the weeks they've been here. Thanks guys!
It is plain and simple the department doesn't want this to be a racial incident because of the olympic bid....
To: 7/20/2007 04:12:00 PM
You sound like you ARE Mary MItchell.
AND - learn how to spell "neuclear", Idiot.
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