Tuesday, February 24, 2009

SPAR Policy Change

Again, from the comments (we seem to learn everything from the comments lately):
  • There was something posted in the comments section awhile back about BOP 009-062. This order from Dugan requires supervisors to make copies of SPARS and send them up the chain to the Deputy Chief for review. The W/C gives me one, I save it electronically, make copies (what happen to being paperless) send it up the chain. I recommend a reprimand and the W/C and DC sign off on it. It is kicked back from the Deputy Chief (more likely his PO secretary) with a note stating the officer should be given a day.

    I have two problems with this. First, SPARs are suppose to be district level discipline. The DC approves the thing and its kicked back from his boss. Second, if you don't agree with my recommendation that is fine. Don't send me a note. Either concur or not concur electronically. The pussies up above never have the balls to put their name on these things.

    Long story short, a PO know at the district level as being a hard worker gets fucked out of a day because a deputy chief, who does not know him, and is not even in the command channel review for SPARS, want to show off to pussy Dugan how tough he can be on uniform violators.

    Way to go Dugan. I know you and your Wies cronies got our backs. This really going to help morale on the watch.
This appears to be another one of those shifts in disciplinary policy that no one bothers to tell the FOP about. There are contractual procedures in place for the disciplinary track and grievances to be filed if it changes substantially without the FOP being involved in the process. Depending on when it occurred, this might appear to be a really crass move on the Department's part seeing as how the chairman of the Grievance Committee just died of a heart attack.

Anyone care to explain this in simple terms? We don't want to wade through the BS, just the facts.

UPDATE: Dugan Replies:
  • There is no shift in SPAR policy. I would encourage every Department member to please read GO 93-03-07, (supervisors - specifically VI, A, 1, b, 4) dealing with Summary Punishment.

    It is sad one would try to exploit Tim Fallon’s untimely death with this issue, which is inexcusable. .

    I will be more than willing to discus this topic in detail in a Departmental forum.

    Daniel F. Dugan
    312/745-6210
We'll encourage everyone to read up on the cited order as soon as possible. We'd encourage a more official discussion in some sort of forum rather than the blog of course. We'll publicize it as we did the Superintendent's "town-hall" type meetings.

We'll also point out that no one is attempting to exploit Tim Fallon's death. The comment alleging a change in policy popped up yesterday. Tim died a week ago. Based on this Department's recent history and the history of the Daley Administration, we're sorry to say we wouldn't put a damn thing past them, which is truly sad.

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Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

The reasoning behind the "paperless" chain up to HQ is that it enables the upper brass to keep stats on coppers.

As of right now, any exempt of D/C and higher, have the ability to look at your activity and assess whether you're "flagged" or not.

The system instantly calculates your number of arrests, your contact cards, your movers & parkers and runs a ratio to see if the number of CR's is within "an acceptable range" relative to your activity.

If you got one CR and have 10 arrests then your CR to Arrest ratio is .10

If you have 100 arrests and you get one CR, then it drops to .01

They look at the numbers and determine that a .01 officer is better than a .10 officer.

Sounds crazy but that's what they're doing right now.

Shove this into the "un-fucking-believable file"

ah-ite?

2/24/2009 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT



NY Post is gunning after police pensions. Expect to hear the same from our rags.

TIME BOMB OF YOUNG COPS
UNDER-50 RETIREES POSE DI$ASTER THREAT

The city's pension system is collapsing under the weight of payments it makes to more than 10,000 retired cops - all under the age of 50.

They represent a staggering 25 percent of the city's police-pension liability - which is expected to help push the total bill for retirees to $7.8 billion in four years, almost six times the amount paid in 1997.

"Right now, we are paying full retirement benefits to people in their 40s," Mayor Bloomberg cautioned. "As people are living longer, we simply can't afford to do it forever.

"Our pension system is one of those areas where spending has grown to an unaffordable rate. And we simply have to find a way to rein it in."





http://www.nypost.com/seven/02232009/news/regionalnews/time_bomb_of_young_cops_156516.htm

2/24/2009 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON WITH DUGAN, SINCE HE WAS AND A/3 AND A/1!!!!!!
STILL CAN BE DEDUCED DOWN IN THE HEARING PROCESS.

2/24/2009 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is why we can never trust them. EVER! J-Fed says he wants to give the commanders more control of their districts..LIE! J-Fed and his crew of liers say in a video they will have our backs if we act reasonable...LIE! Once again it's bosses just trying to look good for other bosses. Spares should be handled by the unit commander and that's it! This department just keeps going down toliet.

2/24/2009 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same as with CR#s. In twelve years, I've had half a dozen notes, telling me to kick the penalty up, but I've only seen one boss do it the right way and write the non-concurrence report and send it up the chain without returning it to me.

2/24/2009 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no shift in SPAR policy. I would encourage every Department member to please read GO 93-03-07, (supervisors - specifically VI, A, 1, b, 4) dealing with Summary Punishment.

It is sad one would try to exploit Tim Fallon’s untimely death with this issue, which is inexcusable. .

I will be more than willing to discus this topic in detail in a Departmental forum.

Daniel F. Dugan
312/745-6210

2/24/2009 01:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They put a "post a note" on it and kick it back to you to change because if they were to electronically not concur it is a bunch more paperwork that they have to complete and I would assume a better chance of P/O winning any type of grievance. As far as the SPAR is concerned I guess it depends on how big your balls are. Should you do the right thing and keep submitting the same recommendation over and over because its the proper punishment and your following procedure on how SPAR's are passed through the chain of command (pretty sure there is no section in G.O. regarding "post it notes" to change recommendation) or do you take the less confrontational way out and change the paperwork so complies with the "post it note" and not your decision as the P/O's supervisor based on your experience with that officer. No one wants to make waves or have a brick on their career but what is right is right. Maybe if the supervisors who actually work in the field would have spoken up years ago we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.

2/24/2009 01:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait, you can ask for a hearing and do it through clear but you also have to request a hearing via to from to the commander! Why go through clear? paperless my ass!

2/24/2009 04:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

W/C in my district tried to paint this as "helpful" to PO's in that less so-called wrongdoing will result in SPAR forms and more will be handled by supervisors at the district level in the form of a stern talking to, a notation on the log, a counseling form or other supervisory action.

It seems to me that the SPARs that then do go through will be etched in stone, so to speak. Any "fixing" of the SPAR (What, in THIS City?) will be done somewhere up the chain before it is converted into a "real" SPAR.

Before, anyone with a SPAR who somehow made a call or whatever would have to try to get the SPAR "taken care of" after it was already a SPAR with a number etc.

Now, Dugan etc. can shitcan them before they get that far. At least that is the theory as explained yesterday.

I see room for abuse, of course. Unless you want to believe Dugan's motives are pure. But isn't Dugan on that training video with J-Fed and Peterson claiming to "support" us and to "have our backs?"

And how many days has it been since that officer in the video on the bus incident and still no public words of support from ANY of the exalted command staff.

Look for this process to be the subject of a class action grievance as soon as the first officer feels he is getting fucked by the system.

2/24/2009 06:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Had a similar situation several years ago when I kept getting a court deviation kicked back to me. The Commander wanted me to give a first time offender a day, I wanted a reprimand since I knew this officer to be a good one. I kept returning it as a reprimand until he finally gave it to another Sgt on the watch who immediately gave the PO a day. Real nice. Still don't know why the Commander just didn't give him a day, why try to make me the bad guy?

2/24/2009 07:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait until Mark Donahue of the fighting FOP finds out about this,,,you guys will be sorry then! NOT!

2/24/2009 07:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

save the pension
raise the minimum age for retirement to 53

2/24/2009 07:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am SPARticus!!

2/24/2009 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Depending on when it occurred, this might appear to be a really crass move on the Department's part seeing as how the chairman of the Grievance Committee just died of a heart attack."

The Dugan memo came out before Tim Fallon passed away.

2/24/2009 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whoever wrote the topic here really has no clue what they are taling about as far as SPAR's, chain of command and 'district level discipline, whatever that means.."

2/24/2009 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also if you look at the recommended discipline you can be given a second repremand before you are given a day. This has been taken away all commanders were told that they must give a day on a second infraction or it will be kicked back. More money out of our pockets for King Richie.

2/24/2009 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

W/C in my district tried to paint this as "helpful" to PO's in that less so-called wrongdoing will result in SPAR forms and more will be handled by supervisors at the district level in the form of a stern talking to, a notation on the log, a counseling form or other supervisory action.

It seems to me that the SPARs that then do go through will be etched in stone, so to speak. Any "fixing" of the SPAR (What, in THIS City?) will be done somewhere up the chain before it is converted into a "real" SPAR.

Before, anyone with a SPAR who somehow made a call or whatever would have to try to get the SPAR "taken care of" after it was already a SPAR with a number etc.

Now, Dugan etc. can shitcan them before they get that far. At least that is the theory as explained yesterday.

I see room for abuse, of course. Unless you want to believe Dugan's motives are pure. But isn't Dugan on that training video with J-Fed and Peterson claiming to "support" us and to "have our backs?"

And how many days has it been since that officer in the video on the bus incident and still no public words of support from ANY of the exalted command staff.

Look for this process to be the subject of a class action grievance as soon as the first officer feels he is getting fucked by the system.

2/24/2009 06:37:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Had a similar situation several years ago when I kept getting a court deviation kicked back to me. The Commander wanted me to give a first time offender a day, I wanted a reprimand since I knew this officer to be a good one. I kept returning it as a reprimand until he finally gave it to another Sgt on the watch who immediately gave the PO a day. Real nice. Still don't know why the Commander just didn't give him a day, why try to make me the bad guy?

2/24/2009 07:07:00 AM

Because 99% of the exempts are pussies.

2/24/2009 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree you shouldnt be allowed to retire before age 50 at least! Retirement and a pension is suppose to be a perk for devoting your LIFE to public service, not 15 years! I would be for raising the retirement to 53... I mean it really isnt that much to ask for someone to put in 30 years to earn a pension! thats right EARN a pension is not something that should just be handed out because you feel you deserve it each and everyone of us should EARN our pension!

2/24/2009 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well no matter waht they say the exempts get there news first from SCC! "We report you decide" thanks again SCC!

2/24/2009 12:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why the hell would dugan come on here and respond to anything??? Thats gotta be a hoax, right? Otherwise it confirms what we all have suspected all along that the bosses actually DO read this blog! Did anyone call the number? Im too scared!!!

2/24/2009 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The asshole Sgt. in Traffic court has been writing everyone for stupid shit like no name tag. One of the guys on the watch got snagged by him, and this guy is an outstanding officer, and by the book. He just innocently forgotten his name tag.

2/24/2009 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, Dugan is a stand up guy if your the working police, second any kick back has to be in electronic form, bottomline, the Sgt doesnt have to take the recommendation, he can send it up and they can change it, otherwise it stays in queso any sgt with balls will not change it and note his reasons, so if your working police why worry your supervisor will cover you, the department is not gonna start ragging on sgts for protecting their men, thats what were suppose to do.

2/24/2009 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our pension system is one of those areas where spending has grown to an unaffordable rate. And we simply have to find a way to rein it in.
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Something similar can be said of virtually all public employee pension systems. Calling them time bombs is understating the problem.

At some point, the taxpayers will rebel against a system that all but makes them serfs to the tax man. Keep in mind that fewer and fewer people are actually paying income taxes these days,and paying a higher percentage as others pay nothing, or even get "refunds" on taxes they never actually paid.

2/24/2009 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no shift in SPAR policy. I would encourage every Department member to please read GO 93-03-07, (supervisors - specifically VI, A, 1, b, 4) dealing with Summary Punishment.

It is sad one would try to exploit Tim Fallon’s untimely death with this issue, which is inexcusable. .

I will be more than willing to discus this topic in detail in a Departmental forum.

Daniel F. Dugan
312/745-6210

2/24/2009 01:24:00 AM

I give Dugan credit for responding and admitting that he reads this blog. However why doesnt he take a stand and enforce the general order that says if an exempt does not concur that they right it in the non concurance box. I to have gotten CR's and spars back telling me to change the penalty. with post it notes or getting called into the office. Hey Dugan have the balls to tell your exempts to read and follow the G.O. If they dont concur have them try and explain why that should make some interesting reading. I bet Dugan knows a lot of his commanders are idiots so he wont push the issue. It's easier to try and force the sgt to make a change than for a clout hack commander to explain why he feels the punishment is wrong.

2/24/2009 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous 'nuff said said...

Label me a 1%

2/24/2009 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

trust me when i say this. Dugan is a stand up guy. He is fair and reasonable. He knows his shit too. we could use more guys like him at the top.

po without clout

2/24/2009 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Same as with CR#s. In twelve years, I've had half a dozen notes, telling me to kick the penalty up, but I've only seen one boss do it the right way and write the non-concurrence report and send it up the chain without returning it to me.

2/24/2009 12:53:00 AM

you need a set of balls to add a cover sheet.

2/24/2009 03:21:00 PM  
Anonymous a victim said...

Anonymous said...
Had a similar situation several years ago when I kept getting a court deviation kicked back to me. The Commander wanted me to give a first time offender a day, I wanted a reprimand since I knew this officer to be a good one. I kept returning it as a reprimand until he finally gave it to another Sgt on the watch who immediately gave the PO a day. Real nice. Still don't know why the Commander just didn't give him a day, why try to make me the bad guy?

2/24/2009 07:07:00 AM

Your boss is a graduate of the jimmy carroll school of non-functional generative organs. exempts.

2/24/2009 03:27:00 PM  
Anonymous HATER said...

SO WHAT IS A CR NUMBER WORTH?

LETS SAY MY PARTNER LOVE CALLING SHITBAG M-FERS.

HE HAS 10 SUSTAINED CR FOR VERBAL ABUSE OVER THE SET TIMES!

THE OTHER PARTNER HAS 3 CR FOR PROPERTY DISAPPEARING!

AND I HAVE 2 CR'S FOR BREAKING ARRESTEES BONES DURING ARREST BECAUSE I LIFT WEIGHT AND TRAIN HARD.

SOOOO WHO IS IT THAT IS THE BAD COP IN THAT GROUP?

I RECOMMEND THAT THE SPAR BECOME A MORE PREVALENT TOOL SINCE THE PUBLIC REALLY DOESNT CARE ABOUT SPARS.
AND WHY SHOULD AN EXEMPT NEED TO APPROVE ANY OF THESE THINGS! ARENT COMMANDERS PAID ENUFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE HANDED OUT!

100K PLUS AINT NO BULLSHIT SALARY!
PLUS THOSE EXEMPTS R WAY 2 "BUSY"
TO READ THE DOCUMENTS FOR A CR NUMBER. IT TAKES THEM MONTH TO SIGN OFF ON ANYTHING. BUT SIT IN THE LOT AT HQ AND U WILL NOTICE THEY NEVER MISS THEIR LUNCH!

THEY ARE ALWAY OFF TO MEETINGS!

2/24/2009 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
There is no shift in SPAR policy. I would encourage every Department member to please read GO 93-03-07, (supervisors - specifically VI, A, 1, b, 4) dealing with Summary Punishment.

It is sad one would try to exploit Tim Fallon’s untimely death with this issue, which is inexcusable. .

I will be more than willing to discus this topic in detail in a Departmental forum.

Daniel F. Dugan
312/745-6210

******************************

Hey Dugan, if that was you, glad to see you're here reading the blog.

Care to answer the following fact:

Anonymous said...
Same as with CR#s. In twelve years, I've had half a dozen notes, telling me to kick the penalty up, but I've only seen one boss do it the right way and write the non-concurrence report and send it up the chain without returning it to me.

2/24/2009 12:53:00 AM


Wanna tell us why the upper ranks get away with not putting their own name on the paper as the one wanting the penalties upped?

2/24/2009 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

exactly correct for a deputy chief to disagree with a spar recommendation he would have to generate paper work of his own, too much too do or too lazy. it would be easier to provide a commander with a stamp that states BUNK and a pad of red ink, so when the court deviations etc., arrive he can stamp them or investigate them.

2/24/2009 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now, Dugan etc. can shitcan them before they get that far. At least that is the theory as explained yesterday.
***********************

Yeah, right. Trust Dugan to shitcan them based on his "personal experience" with all these officers.

What WILL happen, is he'll take out his little brick list, compare names, and if your name's on his old-boy network list of individuals to fuck, you can BET it's getting upped or sent back down the chain to have the D/C ensure it gets upped.

Don't think for one minute the purpose of this is to let Dugan "chop down" a fair share of bullshit SPARS. The purpose of this is to appease Dugan's need to feel like he's running the "Patrol Show" by micromanaging District level punishments.

Dugan is the same type of "old school" boss who thinks he's gotta get his face into everything and tell them how to do their job rather than fulfill the duties of the purely administrative position he now holds.

He bricks, he listens to others whom he likes or fears and bricks on their behalf, and generally keeps the "old boy" network alive and well.

Squashing SPARS by Dugan, what a joke.

2/24/2009 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, and I forgot to add, he also wants to play the "ultimate protector" for his buddies friends.

Consider any friend of his buddies or benefactors to be automatically protected from SPARS, just as they all do.

2/24/2009 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also if you look at the recommended discipline you can be given a second repremand before you are given a day. This has been taken away all commanders were told that they must give a day on a second infraction or it will be kicked back. More money out of our pockets for King Richie.

2/24/2009 08:16:00 AM

And that is a clear violation of the contract. Check out page 137 of the contract-"Notice to supervisors regarding progressive discipline". I have been gone from the job for a couple years, but whenever I pointed that out to a Commander who was bent on hammering some poor guy, it did help on many occasions. But that was then I guess huh? God help you guys.

2/24/2009 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no shift in SPAR policy. I would encourage every Department member to please read GO 93-03-07, (supervisors - specifically VI, A, 1, b, 4) dealing with Summary Punishment.

It is sad one would try to exploit Tim Fallon’s untimely death with this issue, which is inexcusable. .

I will be more than willing to discus this topic in detail in a Departmental forum.

Daniel F. Dugan
312/745-6210

2/24/2009 01:24:00 AM

So I guess you're saying that a boss has never gone against a G.O. or department policy to serve their own interests. Well I know of many an occasion that they have and still do. How many times in the past 15 years has a boss violated the contract?

2/24/2009 05:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been writing about the pension fund for 18 months now. No one cares, just look at the responses. Our pension fund is good for 6 to 8 years maximum. It is full of CDS,CMBS and CDOs. Has anyone see the 08 pension booklet ? I wonder why not.

Worry about the 3000 dollar Retro check and let the pension fund ( worth 100s of thousands to you) be depleted.

Old Retired Guy

2/24/2009 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, right. Trust Dugan to shitcan them based on his "personal experience" with all these officers.

What WILL happen, is he'll take out his little brick list, compare names, and if your name's on his old-boy network list of individuals to fuck, you can BET it's getting upped or sent back down the chain to have the D/C ensure it gets upped.--------------------------------------------
I have found this to be the case. I would encourage SCC to start a post where people like myself can list what we were suspended for and how many days we took, only because we were legitimate police officers (non-clout). I am a legitimate police officer and will put my numbers against any one... You have words on this blog like "asshat", which are unique to SCC, make a mew one such as "legitimate police officer" (non-clout).

2/24/2009 07:48:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

yeah... you can bet your ex's ass Dugan wants to discuss this matter in a "departmental forum." the concern of retaliation for speaking bluntly, respectfully and man to man in a "departmental forum" is well founded and has precedent so there's nothing to see here in that regard.

all these gold stars do is sit around and invent ways (on shortshanks order by way of a flunky via j-fart) to circumvent/subvert the bargaining agreement and all rights within. nonsense like this always pops up, so if a p.o. raises a stink then the bosses have a built in buffer of deniability to hide behind regarding stuff being passed up & down the chain with a pink (or whatever color) post-it attached.

the only correction for this nonsense is for a gold star to have a pang of conscience (unlikely) as they seem to enjoy beating the shit out of Patrol for what is wrong with this department. they know the sin of what's wrong rests squarely on their shoulders, i.e. the abject failure to lead from the front.

(i guess i shouldn't judge them TOO harshly, with a megalomaniac in dire need of involuntary admission as mayor, the choir had better sing from the same sheet of music...no improvisation.)

they're like the russian generals at stalingrad... expecting the troops to sacrifice themselves for the generals glory then stationing others behind the front line to shoot down those who would deny the generals their glory. the generals had the troops backs of course... as long as the troops actions were reasonable.

*sarcasm off*

they have broken this departmant and have no reasonable way to fix it... hence the marked increase in supervisory/managerial member threats, bullying & abusive verbiage. thank goodness there is a hierarchy in place and the blue shirts truly show themselves to be the best of the best. the average man with two in a sack would most assuredly badly maim another in certain circumstance for being belittled in the manner in which we've been seeing. (let me be on record, i condone neither bullying by a superior nor lashing out by a subordinate... the disciplinary system were it to be fair & even handed should address such with enhanced sanction for the supervisory/management member if found to be the initiator/aggressor, but we all know it ain't so.)

you bosses have your work cut out for you... beating on the rank & file is NOT going to set the course of correction this department needs to be able to fulfill it's primary mission of fair and impartial enforcement of the law.

...rant over

the people of this city should be on their naked knees thanking the approximately 2500 men & women (give or take a few hundred ;) who suit up, roll in, and are "out there" at any given time day and night dealing with the non-stop bullshit and are trying to keep it from spilling over. the blue line is getting thinner by the day, God help us...

2/24/2009 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"po without clout....

2/24/2009 03:19:00 PM"


....but who is willing to do ANYTHING to get me sum.

Clout, that is.

2/24/2009 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"2/24/2009 02:39:00 PM"


Who do you really think writes those notes?

2/24/2009 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC!!!!

UPDATE!!!!

Mark Donahue has just sent out the following FOP update . . .



MONDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2009

CTA BUS VIDEO 02/23/09

Chicago Cop Watch is a website whose stated goal is to engage in monitoring of the police, videotaping police activity, and educating the public about police misconduct. The Chicago Cop Watch recently posted a video of purported police misconduct aboard a CTA bus.

The Lodge has fielded many questions regarding the CTA Bus Video that was posted on Chicago Cop Watch.org. as well as questions regarding the operation of the Chicago Cop Watch website. Unfortunately, the Lodge does not have the answers to these questions.

The registrar, administrator, or tech for Chicago Cop Watch should be able to answer our members questions.

Whois.com lists the registration contact information for the chicagocopwatch.org registrar, administrator, and tech as:

Spencer Thayer
3139 N. Francisco Ave., Apt. 2N
Chicago, ID 60618-7057
312-576-0270
spencer@uglatto.com

Please contact Mr. Thayer with your questions regarding the video or operation of the website.

2/24/2009 09:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got my first/only traffic court deviation a few years back when McCOTTER was Commander of 025. I requested a hearing with the boss and I sat in front of him. He had my numbers in front of him and said "I heard your a good guy. I take care of my good guys" He made things right.

We need bosses like that. Not the do-nothing suckholes, who hid in basement, lockup, behind/under desk, to study GO's instead of learning the real job. This seems to be where most of our future leaders come from.

Bosses like McCOTTER, RICCIO, PUFPAF, RIVERA, OGRADY, ARPAIA, and FERRELL (I'M SURE I MISSED ALOT OF NAMES SO FEEL FREE TO INSERT GOOD SOUF SIDE NAMES HERE, I've done most my time WEST)are all class act bosses.

I wouldn't have to be asked twice to do anything for them, because they (unlike the next wave) would be right there next to me, doin the job we all, well at least those us that haven't been doggin it out from day one, used to love to do.

2/25/2009 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So which part of the order is correct?

VI 2c "forward the SPAR and all related documents through the affected member's chain of command To the Internal Affairs Division for final review and implementation"
OR
the one DUgan suggested us to look at VI 4b
"If an affected member has accepted the commanding officer's disciplinary recommendation after the appeal hearing, the SPAR and attachments, if any, will be forwarded To the next higher exempt command member in the affected member's chain of command for review and then To the Internal Affairs Division. When the member has requested a further hearing at this step, the SPAR and all related documents will be sent DIRECTLY to the Internal Affairs Division(i.e. not forwarded through channels)"
VI 5
"The Internal Affairs Division will review the SPAR and any related documents. The completed package of reports will be directed to the appropriate exempt rank command member who will schedule a hearing as requested by the affected member.

the next chain of command( at least in patrol) would be the deputy chief of the area, why would it ever go to Dugan?
If a hearing is requested it goes directly to IAD, which Dugan is not in, now IAD can have a Deputy Supt, ADS, Deputy Chief or thier designee handle the hearing but this does not involve Dugan.
In the automated system there is a review higher than a commander and it is done under the hearing system.
Basically dugan is interjecting his ideas on how things should be handled without changing the General Order(as of yet).
Of course we will not have an open forum, you are smart and like most exempts vindictive and might put a
"brick" on us, of course the word "brick" does not appear in our orders but it does happen often.
All this scanning shit all over the place does is waste time, and keep the supervisors off the streets where they are needed, if you want to look at everything, change the order and update the software in the automated spar to reflect what you want done. Maybe as one of our leaders you can focus more on the bigger problems in patrol, shit equipment, short manpower, etc...At what point do you start trusting your commanders to do thier jobs? If the commander and the deputy cheif concur on a punishment leave it alone. You are taking away the abiltiy to use discretion because your commanders and deputy chief's are probably going to agree with you out of fear of retribution so let them do their jobs, if they are incapable get rid of them!!!!Oh wait you can't because they are clouted in so the alternative is to mess with the p/o's...

2/25/2009 02:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simple
Pleasurable
Ass
Reaming

2/25/2009 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor: Whenever Weis leaves or resigns,Dugan as Supe,Tobias as DS of Patrol..Go figure that one out..

2/25/2009 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Who do you really think writes those notes?

2/24/2009 09:18:00 PM"


I thought you did.

2/25/2009 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous justice for all said...

Anonymous said...
Yeah, right. Trust Dugan to shitcan them based on his "personal experience" with all these officers.

What WILL happen, is he'll take out his little brick list, compare names, and if your name's on his old-boy network list of individuals to fuck, you can BET it's getting upped or sent back down the chain to have the D/C ensure it gets upped.-----


Note to all: the use of a black book and reference to the brick are all discriminatory. If you believe that the application of discipline is different (yours) then another's but comparable; file a grievance and get a lawyer.

2/25/2009 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So I guess you're saying that a boss has never gone against a G.O. or department policy to serve their own interests. Well I know of many an occasion that they have and still do. How many times in the past 15 years has a boss violated the contract?

2/24/2009 05:34:00 PM

Absolutely! 10 day suspension? you bet they are graduates of jimmy carroll's school of mayhem and retribution.

2/25/2009 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I thought you did.

2/25/2009 09:26:00 AM"


Think again.

2/25/2009 07:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have known Dan Dugan many of years and he is one of the most stand up bosses. We should be glad he is still with us because he really is one of the only bosses that are still looking out for the p/o's and not themselves. He has helped me out through trying times and I will never forget it. He absolutly is one of the last true stand up bosses on this job and hopefully for are sakes he stay's many more years.

2/25/2009 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill and Bob stay off the blog.. this isnt the forum for the Dan Dugan Fan Club.

2/26/2009 04:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

worse advice i ever got, and it was from a deputy superintendant: take the day in lieu....this goofy department goes from there to tack on 3,5,10,30 days for minor shit...go to the board for EVERYTHING INCLUDING REPRIMANDS...

2/26/2009 07:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got my first/only traffic court deviation a few years back when McCOTTER was Commander of 025. I requested a hearing with the boss and I sat in front of him. He had my numbers in front of him and said "I heard your a good guy. I take care of my good guys" He made things right.

We need bosses like that. Not the do-nothing suckholes, who hid in basement, lockup, behind/under desk, to study GO's instead of learning the real job. This seems to be where most of our future leaders come from.

Bosses like McCOTTER, RICCIO, PUFPAF, RIVERA, OGRADY, ARPAIA, and FERRELL (I'M SURE I MISSED ALOT OF NAMES SO FEEL FREE TO INSERT GOOD SOUF SIDE NAMES HERE, I've done most my time WEST)are all class act bosses.
I Too worked for Mccotter in 025 and had a hearing regarding a court deviation and he had my activity in front of him and stated" your a good worker" and lowered my punishement from that jagoff sgt schultz!

2/27/2009 05:03:00 PM  

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