No Civil Rights?
This certainly sounds like a winner of a case:
- SCC, Please post this for all to see…
During the 1st Watch on 25 MAY, an off duty P.O. from the 008th District was involved in a traffic accident in which a child ran out in front of his vehicle. Luckily, the off duty officer reacted in time and only knocked the child to the ground resulting in minor scrapes. As the off duty officer exited his vehicle to check on the child, several family members ran out from their backyard party and approached the off duty officer in a threatening manner, causing him to identify himself as a police officer before locking himself in his vehicle until 008th District officers arrived. After more than an hour later, one of the family members of the child made an allegation at the hospital that the officer must be drunk, resulting in the off duty officer being ordered into 008 to submit to an administrative blow, as the newly revised order reads. An IAD supervisor arrived in 008 and advised the W/C that field sobriety tests must be performed as well as the complete warning to motorist DUI packet. After the off duty officer called FOP, IAD changed their mind and wanted only an administrative blow. The acting street deputy, Cmdr. Carter, made several calls on his blackberry before finally overriding IAD and ordering an ET to administer FST’s to the off duty officer, now more than five hours after the traffic crash. The off duty officer passed the FST’s without problem but then was led directly into the processing room and ordered to blow. The off duty officer complied and blew a .000 on the breathalyzer machine.
First up, the relative that made the allegation should be sued. An allegation like that in front of witnesses is actionable and has been won in civil court many many times.
Then an investigation of the Acting Street Deputy's actions ought to be initiated.
You have rights as a citizen boys and girls. Get an FOP lawyer and a Field Rep to walk you through the process. This sounds hinky and needs to be investigated. We imagine the officer has a decent chance of owning the Commander's house. We hope it's a nice house.
Then an investigation of the Acting Street Deputy's actions ought to be initiated.
You have rights as a citizen boys and girls. Get an FOP lawyer and a Field Rep to walk you through the process. This sounds hinky and needs to be investigated. We imagine the officer has a decent chance of owning the Commander's house. We hope it's a nice house.
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posted by SCC at 12:06 AM
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They confused due process under the 5th amendment to the US constitution with their bonehead internal policy. Big mistake. Due process has been denied you during your arrest (even though you were not charged you were arrested.) Absent probable cause, ie your successful passing of a much delayed sfst performed off-scene, the blow was an illegal seizure. Given all of these elements, you have a well documented case of unlawful restraint. Let me know, I'll go to your early retirement party and you can buy me a beer. -PNDA
off topic, but manpower related, why doesnt the super get rid of the 008 district 806 team.. yes, another made up team. they took 8 guys off the watch to work on this special team.. from what i heard, the tac lt in 008 is working hard to get rid of these guys and doesnt like them. kup and the lt were overheard saying that they will be sent back to the watch and a new 8 guys will replace them.... this doesnt help the watch at all.. we get these guys back..who in my opinion are all great guys and fantastic coppers but take 8 more off the watch.. smoke and mirrors.. just a numbers team that screws the rest of the watch.. but im sure when these 8 guys get dumped back to the watch the fat as@ sgt they have will stay... after all, it was his idea to dump these guys and bring in his own little 011th district dollies who just got sent to 008.. what a joke this place is.. nothing but back stabbing, politics, and whos your chinaman!!
"An IAD supervisor arrived in 008 and advised the W/C that field sobriety tests must be performed as well as the complete warning to motorist DUI packet. After the off duty officer called FOP, IAD changed their mind and wanted only an administrative blow. The acting street deputy, Cmdr. Carter, made several calls on his blackberry before finally overriding IAD and ordering an ET to administer FST’s to the off duty officer, now more than five hours after the traffic crash."
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SCC: You're not kidding about the lawsuit. The "Warning to Motorist" is completed after the arrest! Was this officer charged? Nope.
Was a street deputy wrong? Yep.
After talking to my fellow journalists, we have incompetent supervisors too. All you have to do is open a newspaper or turn on the TV; the proofs in front of you. The nonsense that's allowed to pass for journalism is disgusting. We have producers who shouldn't be allowed to work in media. We have editors that deserve public floggings for allowing shit to be printed in our newspapers. In fact, they shouldn't be allowed to carry a pencil due to fact they might write some crap.
What the heck is wrong with the police department? Mc Nulty and Mc Cotter were sharp, but from what I understand, they're retired or retiring. Where are the true leaders of the police department?
Any young kid that's thinking about a career on the Chicago Police Department should read this blog for a month straight. It's guarenteed you'll seek another line of work. If I was young man, I'd think about becoming a master criminal; the morale depleted police department isn't going to want to catch you.
JFED's comment on P.O. Boling's arrest.
"It is important to determine what actually happened, and I have directed my team to conduct a thorough investigation into this matter. At this preliminary stage of the investigation, there is no evidence or information that makes me believe that the officer in question received preferential treatment.
As you had your "team" conduct the same thorough and "impartial" investigation into one of your high ranking team members involvement into having cocaine and illegal firearms recovered in a condo that she owns. The investigation was over within hours after JFED had it swept under the carpet. That was the fastest investigation ever conducted by the CPD. Why wasn't this preferential treatment exposed by the media? DALEY controls most of them with the exception of a few.
Come on KASS - why don't you dig into this a little. Was her condo subject to seizure and forfeiture like any other Joe citizen who lost or had to "fight" to keep their property after narcotics and illegal weapons were recovered in their house or condo?
I had an outrageous accusation years ago after a positive warrant when the owner of the home told my sgt. I had been drinking. I was brought into the closest district and made to blow by the then W/C. Fortunately I had not been drinking. I remember at the time, the terror of realizing that anyone, even some felonious scumbag, could accuse me of anything and I would then have to PROVE my innocence. Keep writing those tickets and making all those great pinches kids, because when u retire and income goes down, your health insurance, prescriptions,etc,go up so high that you'll have to pick and choose what prescriptions you can afford each month and get your health checked at yearly FOP expos for retirees. No one gives a shit except another blueshirt. Your best and only friend. Stick together, it's your only hope.
continued (sorry) You have absolutely NO CIVIL RIGHTS if anyone want's to screw you. See Cozzi and ask him. The thickest chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Stay together. Do all the bitching about each other u want on SCC and then leave it here. Stay together on everything else, esp. your votes. Both w/FOP and city and state elections.
I worked for Carter when he was the tact Lt in 003. He was a snake then, sounds like he's a snake now. I know the guys and gals in 004 think he's a POS.
It just shows the incompetence of these merit hacks.
Well that speaks volumes about ADS Carter. This is another classic example of overreaching your authority in a knee-jerk reaction to deflect attention away from clout boy Bolling & stick it to the off-duty PO. More than likely calls were made, when it was discovered this PO had no clout, the order was made, STICK IT IN HIS ASS!!
You have rights as a citizen boys and girls. Get an FOP lawyer and a Field Rep to walk you through the process. This sounds hinky and needs to be investigated. We imagine the officer has a decent chance of owning the Commander's house. We hope it's a nice house.
Yeah right, an FOP lawyer. Nice try. Unless your name is Burge. The Chicago Police Department can do what they want, and when you contact FOP and tell them you wish to have representation against them,for what they'd done to you, FOP declinesl; Indicating if you're the complainant they have no support to offer.
"We imagine the officer has a decent chance of owning the Commander's house. We hope it's a nice house."
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Goddammit do I love you SCC!
it might be drunk talk but its the truth!
hopefully this copper comes out of this BIG!!!!!!!!
Eric Carter? Dum de dum dum!
Hey Carter...I know it's been a while since you have seen police work, but do you remember the term probable cause? How about "Reasonable suspicion?" No? I didn't think so. Better call the C.C.'s office and ask them to settle right away.
I don't care what the allegation is, ordering a blow, that is NOT administrative, is illegal without at least reasonable suspicion. Doesn't look, act, or smell intoxicated...Guess what buttercup...No CRIMINAL blow.
Sue the shit out of him and bring back real street deputies..This is fucking assinine.
the only way this nonsense will stop is if we push back.
exempt rank does not mean they are exempt from civil suits.
i too hope it is a nice house.
Names please. Accuser's too
It appears that it's open season on us nowadays. We're being given no benefit of the doubt whatsoever. This seems to start with the public and media and extends all the way to shortshanks and JFed. The media is all but trying and convicting cops as soon as one of these story breaks.
Make sure you go out there and bust your ass for Ritchie and JFed. You know they've got your back!
This sounds like a huge ass lawsuit against whoever ordered him to blow unless he showed signs of drunkeness during the stop. I'd sue the CPD for and Carter for all they have!!!
What the HELL!?!??!!!! If this si true, this officer should own part of this city!!!!! WTF!!!!
Nobodys got civil rights no more. Ask everyone at vice what e.t.b. told them to do. Heres a hint= Everything but vice. Get ready 189 and dics for vice to fruck up your murders agg batts thefts guns warrants and narcotics cases. >They are being led by the infamous useless lt e.g. her life career of going to school and homework at inside spots. Her experience is she does know how to stab you in the back and talk to you like the small child and creates winner million dollar law suits.
> You aint seen nothing yet......two geniuses.......
The rules only apply if it were the boss's kid who was arrested. Or another boss. A former Deputy Chief of Special Functions was given the royal treatment on his DUI, including a ride home from the Superintendent! And no charges! Now how's that for rank having it's privileges?
I CERTAINLY HOPE THIS P.O. NOT ONLY SUES RACIST CARTER, BUT LINES HIMSELF UP FOR A NICE SPOT/ PROMOTION. HOWEVER THE RACIST IS ONLY FOLLOWING DEPT. GUIDELINES. ITS NICE TO SEE THAT J-FED PROMOTES A HATER, BUT THE HATER HAS TO USE HIS BLACKBERRY AND MAKE THE CALLS AS WHAT TO DO. IF PROMOTED TO COMMANDER SHOULD HE NOT ALREADY KNOW WHAT TO DO. IT IS AFTERALL AN ACCIDENT. OH THATS RIGHT HE WAS NEVER VERY GOOD AT PAPER AS A P.O. IN 007.
Carter is only all about Carter. Just ask his mouthpeice friend SGT in 003 who blabs all over the place of what the problems are in 004.
Good luck Officer and hire an attorney. You have mental anguish right?
It's time for the officer to benefit from the ghetto lottery. SUE, SUE, SUE!!!!!
Oh yea, cmdr Carter has our backs.
Hate to say it boys and girls but the department can order you to blow administrativly. If you fail to do so they will get an insuborination beef on you and look to fire your ass. If you do blow the courts have ruled that the results can be used in a DUI case againt you if you blow above the legal limit. This even if you have already completed the criminal investigation of the dui. The department, ghetto citizens, politicians and courts all will throw you far under the bus. At least Dugan has our backs.
Here you have an armed off-duty police officer realizing the serious of the situation and the threats to do bodily harm to him by staying at the scene.
Realize how the average citizen in a similar situation would want to flee for his life and be justified in doing so, except that the driver would be arrested for leaving the scene.
Do you think the mayor is jealous of all the kids that got picked for the grand prize game on Bozo the clown's show? With all his daddy's pull he couldn't get jr. on the show.
Only criminals win lawsuits against the city( or anyone else)... Not police officers. Who we kidding? But one can still hope.
I,am a Process Server.I,will serve the Summons and all Subpoenas..
NO CHARGE !!
Nobody has ever talked about this little debacle. Why did they take the Street Deputy away? Instead of 5 men/women controlling the street, now it's a toss up. They have parcelled the responsibility out to all of the Commanders. I don't know about you, but I think some of these Commanders aren't qualified for a District, much less the final say on a street incident after hours.
I have already seen some bonehead moves. There is a learning curve for any job. There were two good Deputies, McNulty and Lopez. The other 3 were at least somewhat competant. They grew into the job and the situation was way better than now. The mistakes will be plenty with the novices and will cost the City big bucks when mistakes are made. Penny wise and pound foolish.
We don't know all of the facts, so it would be difficult to comment intelligently about the situation. On face value, however, it seems as if the officer was grievously wronged. If there are no signs of intoxication, how are tests forcibly administered? Will tests be administered on all parties involved in crashes if one of the parities is a peace officer?
It would be interesting to see how often the civilian party is, in fact, intoxicated. Are citations issued if a civilian violates the rules of the road and causes an on or off duty peace officer to swerve to avoid?
The law works both ways. We should be going out of pocket, if need be, to bring suit against those who attempt to bring question to our reputations and thereby jeopardize our careers. The city is gutless on this issue, so we need to step up and make it happen. Benefits for legal fees should be popping up for situations like this.
Oh it is, and he's real quick to let everyone know he lives in Beverly on Longwood Dr.
at the very least, the officer should put in a slip for OT.
plus, the child should be given an anov for jaywalking. you just can't run out into the street- you gotta use a crosswalk!
What a total mess this department is. Total. Does any boss have a clue on how to do their job or is this a rhetorical question?
Easy E has always been and will always be, a Stupid Jagoff. He always reminded me of a " In Living Color" character: The guy in the jailcell that tries to use big words that never fit the sentence. "We must commensurate twos retaliates" Etc..
ISP Trooper dies of self-inflicted GSW.
Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and with our fraternal brothers and sisters.
WHY?..:-(
RIP Trooper.
CPD Brother
If I were the officer I would be filing suit immediately against the political hack, exempt Carter. By ordering him to submit to those tests as part of the criminal investigation he has violated the officer's civil rights. Also that officer can make a strong case for a false arrest. We need to set a precedent!!! Our rights are not to be compromised just because we are members of the CPD.
Nope SCC, you're wrong!!! The police covered it up by waiting just long enough to administer the breathalyzer test right after every trace of alcohol was out of this officer's body. Or even better, at the civil suit I would love to hear the one who made the allegation say,"Whatchu mean you can't lie on the police?" Officer, glad you came out ahead on this one and I hope you do sue every one of these assholes especially the one who made the FALSE ALLEGATION against you..
A few years ago copper from 023 had a yuppie, who he was writing a ticket,claim he was drinking, he was ordered to blow and blew 000's. Sued the people and got about 5Grand for defamation. Time to take the offense.
Sue and win. God Bless you officer. F*** Daley and the douchebag brass.
sue the street deputy too. FUCK EVERYONE from the top all the way down. I would sue the city, the dept, the streeet dep personally, the shithead that accused falsely and anyone else that got in the fucking way. Its time WE make some noise and sue back
" but im sure when these 8 guys get dumped back to the watch the fat as@ sgt they have will stay..."
5/27/2009 12:45:00 AM
And, in reality, a 'dumped' copper is an unhappy copper and an unhappy copper is a non-productive copper so don't expect much from them back on the watch!
This officer can sue and can win. Here's how.
The Illinois Courts have held that DUI tests are not Fourth Amendment "searches" or Fifth Amendment "statements," therefore the test is admissible in court even if there was no probable cause to request the test in the first place.
But, you do need probable cause to arrest somebody. And somebody is arrested when they are not free to leave.
This is an absolute clear case of false arrest. The idea that police can "hold" somebody for an investigation is total bullshit. Police can only arrest people and they can only do so if there is probable cause.
Here, there was no probable cause to arrest the officer because he didn't have "odor of alcohol" or "bloodshot eyes" or any of those other bullshit excuses that DUI probable cause is often based on.
Please sue, officer. You will be doing us all a favor.
Can you hear me now??? You have NO CIVIL RIGHTS!
Nobody has ever talked about this little debacle. Why did they take the Street Deputy away? Instead of 5 men/women controlling the street, now it's a toss up. They have parcelled the responsibility out to all of the Commanders. I don't know about you, but I think some of these Commanders aren't qualified for a District, much less the final say on a street incident after hours.
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God help the person that has burger queen show up as the on call incident commander (OCIC) for a shooting.
Some one gots sum splaining to do.
The ADS or acting ADS acts with the authority of the Supt. when the Supt. is not present. So make sure that Weis is also personally listed as a defendant.
Absent probable cause, ie your successful passing of a much delayed sfst performed off-scene, the blow was an illegal seizure.
--This is true. This goes to show you our bosses have no clue!
Hate to say it boys and girls but the department can order you to blow administrativly. If you fail to do so they will get an insuborination beef on you and look to fire your ass.
--Administrative blow is different than an DUI blow.
It states the PO was read the warning to motorist.
If you are read the warning to motorist, there must be probable cause to show you were under the influence and you are placed under arrest PRIOR to reading the warnings.
Gee, now lets see if our president of the FOP uses some of that million dollar plus legal defense fund to help and adverage union member, not some boss.
Don't forget we have been paying extra into this fund for years without it being used for its original purpose, which is to help out the patrol officer when he needs legal help.
most bosses care about themselves. j-fed was put here to fire people. that is is 1st priority. the bosses run scared and won't protect any of us. this is out of control now. a little bad press from a drunk off duty p.o. and now we are drnk all the time. i hope the fop lawyers are on stand by. i see many defamantion lawsuits being filed in the future.
Same thing happened to an off duty cop in 24 who was drinking at a bar. Gangbanger came in and beat him up. Lt. Schlos forced him to blow. He was the victim. This cop should also sue her.
SCC: You're not kidding about the lawsuit. The "Warning to Motorist" is completed after the arrest! Was this officer charged? Nope.
Was a street deputy wrong? Yep.
-----So, when you promote guys to be big bosses and they have spent their entire careers in units, you mean that they may not really be familiar with PATROL procedures? huh. Who'da thunk it.
The phone calls have been made and they have been saved. The districts have already created phoney spots and cars in order to keep the chosen few inside. Some of the best spots I heard of were a quality of life car, and a new building security position. Im sure there are some even better ones out there so lets hear them.
The FOP needs to step up on this. Scc please do a follow up ans let us know what should or should not have beeen done to this officer.
I personally know of three seperate cases, where members of the CPD sucessfully sued and won. Needless to say the 4 officers in the three seperate cases were left with grins on their faces that you couldn't chisel off. 3 are no longer on the job and one was made Sgt in a none descript unit, bury so deep, you have to have a GPS to find him. "GO FOR IT:!
I assume the officer wass not free to leave if he wished. By the way did the officver fill out one of those yellow slips (O.T.) since he fully cooperated in this investigation.
Buckle your seatbelts, law enforcement officers are in for the roller coaster ride of their life.
We has a US President that failed to show up for the police memorial service in Washington D.C. but was able to meet with professional basketball players in the White House that night. The previous president not only showed up, he gave speeches and prayers and stayed with the officers for hours talking with them.
This same president is also cutting by 50% the federal funding for law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. So expect benefits to the family members of officers killed in the line of duty to be substantially reduced in the near future.
Police officers have become Public Enemy Number One. We are targeted by the news media to stir the public up. We have a Mayor who believes that we don't even deserve a cost of living raise.
It's going to be rough sailing waters... be careful.
Isn't this why we pay union dues!!??? For them to file suits and have our backs with all this shit. They need to start taking this shit into the courts! We need to get at least our basic civil rights back. They just keep letting them slip away and away.
The whole administrative blow thing that is now admissable in court is just such bullshit. We are slowly losing our rights and our FOP just keeps staying silent and pocketing our money.
Sue the shit out of the city. The shit birds do it all the time. Time for PO's to finally benefit from the ghetto lottery.
carter is a boneheaded punk! Simple as that! Another clout jagoff that was never the police just a snitch!
Anonymous said...
off topic, but manpower related, why doesnt the super get rid of the 008 district 806 team.. yes, another made up team. they took 8 guys off the watch to work on this special team.. from what i heard, the tac lt in 008 is working hard to get rid of these guys and doesnt like them. kup and the lt were overheard saying that they will be sent back to the watch and a new 8 guys will replace them.... this doesnt help the watch at all.. we get these guys back..who in my opinion are all great guys and fantastic coppers but take 8 more off the watch.. smoke and mirrors.. just a numbers team that screws the rest of the watch.. but im sure when these 8 guys get dumped back to the watch the fat as@ sgt they have will stay... after all, it was his idea to dump these guys and bring in his own little 011th district dollies who just got sent to 008.. what a joke this place is.. nothing but back stabbing, politics, and whos your chinaman!!
5/27/2009 12:45:00 AM
kup is like the rest all clout no clue!
So that was early Monday morning...it is now Wednesday @1210 hrs.
Has he filed a lawsuit against the homeowner yet?
If not, why not?
5/27/2009 12:55:00 AM
Will j-fed do the same thing like he did to COZZI?
The FOP doesn't no what to do.
Daley looks like he can throw a few back himself. All of us are not as lucky to have people drive us wherever we want to go
BoooooYYYYAAAAAAA!!!!
Guna git paaaaaid!!!!
After talking to my fellow journalists, we have incompetent supervisors too.
Thanks to the merit and cheating!!
I would like to think that the officer will take legal action at the same time changing things and winning back some of our rights, but I don't think this is going anywhere. Business as usual.
off topic, but manpower related, why doesnt the super get rid of the 008 district 806 team.. yes, another made up team. they took 8 guys off the watch to work on this special team.. from what i heard, the tac lt in 008 is working hard to get rid of these guys and doesnt like them. kup and the lt were overheard saying that they will be sent back to the watch and a new 8 guys will replace them.... this doesnt help the watch at all.. we get these guys back..who in my opinion are all great guys and fantastic coppers but take 8 more off the watch.. smoke and mirrors.. just a numbers team that screws the rest of the watch.. but im sure when these 8 guys get dumped back to the watch the fat as@ sgt they have will stay... after all, it was his idea to dump these guys and bring in his own little 011th district dollies who just got sent to 008.. what a joke this place is.. nothing but back stabbing, politics, and whos your chinaman!!
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give me a break you bitter as@hole... quit whining about manpower, its not just a problem in 008 but all 25 districts.. it sounds to me that you have a problem with the guys on that team or the sgt and could care less about the manpower problem. if you got a problem with them why not say it to thier face, otherwise shut the fu*k up and go back to doing nothing... its not my problem your life is so miserable that the only thing that brings you joy is to whine and complain... what a joke your life is... enjoy moms basement stroke.
This blackberry that was used to make phone calls is open to a FOI request if it is a department issued phone!!! Find out who ordered the code red ! Pound it up their ass with a boat oar.
if you want to do twenty nine years and a day on this job and get a check once a month until the day you die you have to do two things. never put your hands on anyone unless you absolutely have to and do your cocktailing at your residence. the way this officer was treated is embarassing and disgraceful.
Anonymous said...
Hate to say it boys and girls but the department can order you to blow administrativly. If you fail to do so they will get an insuborination beef on you and look to fire your ass. If you do blow the courts have ruled that the results can be used in a DUI case againt you if you blow above the legal limit. This even if you have already completed the criminal investigation of the dui. The department, ghetto citizens, politicians and courts all will throw you far under the bus. At least Dugan has our backs.
5/27/2009 07:29:00 AM
I thought that as well so I tried to look up the AO for it and I could only find AO5-08 Which only applies to members of the department that hold CDL and were operating CMV. However according to the AO it only applies when the individual is performing a safety-sensitive function at the time of the incident and the individual was issued a traffic citation. So I am assuming that was not the case.
Can anyone clarify this? I thought there was some roll-call training about administrative blows, but I don't see any order on it. Regardless, what was done doesn't seem right, and hopefully someone can point out the order if there is one so we can all be aware of it.
man, more shootings in 003....time to move the Burger Queen out, and get E.C. from 004 in there right away....he'll stop that stuff..
DONT 4 GET TO SUPOENA THE CRACK BERRY RECORDS!!!
AFTER YOU HAVE ABOUT 10 CONTINUANCES AND THE CITY STATES THEY HAVE NO DOCUMENTS OR RECORDS ASK 4 THE CRACK BERRY RECORDS THOSE DEPUTYS TEXT 2 MUCH AND R NOT ALL THAT SWIFT...
AND SINCE ALL THE EXEMPTS LOVE TO FORWARD CRAP YOU WILL HAVE A NICE LIST OF EXEMPTS TO INTERVIEW ON WHY YOUR RIGHT WERE VIOLATED.
YOU ALSO SHOULD ASK FOR ALL THE CORRECTED REPORTS ON THE DEPARTMENTS HARDDRIVES. SGTS KICK BACK REPORT B-CUZ THEY WERE DONE INCORRECTLY FOR PROBABLE CAUSE.
WA-LAA A NEW NARRATIVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL!
NEEDHAM AND BAIRD R VERRRRYYY GOOD LAWYERS.
THAT STROKE ON THE BACK OF THE FOP HANDBOOK IS A THIEF AND WILL BLEED U DRY.
Anonymous said...
Do you think the mayor is jealous of all the kids that got picked for the grand prize game on Bozo the clown's show? With all his daddy's pull he couldn't get jr. on the show.
5/27/2009 07:40:00 AM
When Bozo's Circus debuted Shorty was about 19 years old, one could almost see him on the show playing the part of a 7 year old, each bucket carried and held by a different committeeman walking up and genuflecting to him as they took a ball out of their own pocket and deposited into the appropriate bucket saying"remember this after the old man kicks one of these, his arms crossed and his mouth pursed up in his never ending pout, raving and yelling at Bozo: "what are you a clown ? what ? what do you do clown ? what are you a clown ?, clownman you are clowning." and a whole bunch of cronies standing behind him laughing at the joke that doesn't make sense...saying "screw the clown,,,"
Hey, I was just thinking about his age, why wasn't he drafted ?
civilian post
Let us just assume for purposes of discussion, that this same act was performed by a patrolman on a civilian. What do you think would happen? Major Lawsuit!!!!
This was not an administrative blow this was an arrest and the SFTS is only to be given after arrest based upon probable cause. Officer you have an easy win. Let's see false arrest in Federal court, this should start at about 10M asking and the Corp Counsel will be begging you to settle for 20% of 2M.
Carter is a triple merit guy who has no business being anything other than a janitor. He really screwed up this time and this is going to cost the city millions.
You just can't dedtain/arrest anyone for all that time and then let them go after ytour unlawful tests showed nothing.
This won't even go to trial, they will settle after the deposition. Oh and get those calls from his blackberry and watch what happens then, more depositions and more money to you Officer. Enjoy your early retirement with your huge nestegg.
For the rest, be very careful of Carter and exempts like this. Isn't he the guy that has 3 front office people all with less than 5 years and they have been hidden off the street for quite a while? Somebody in 004 confirm.
'Another clout jagoff that was never the police just a snitch!'
Whatever you think about Carter, he's never been a 'snitch' to anyone. I worked in 003 when Carter was the tact Lt., and he never gave us any grief. My partner went out there and did our jobs, and we got along fine. Clearly, some of the dogs out there have issues with bosses that hold them accountable; no problem.
Why don't you take it up with the man personally, rather than run a personal tirade against him here for public viewing?
I'm willing to bet that Carter's running the officer through the FSTs and the blow (.00) will protect the city and the ODPO in the coming civil suit which will allege the officer of all sorts of bullshit.
The trash (family of the child) know how to make a false accusation, but not enough sense to keep a child out of the street.
Same thing happened to an off duty cop in 24 who was drinking at a bar. Gangbanger came in and beat him up. Lt. Schlos forced him to blow. He was the victim. This cop should also sue her.
5/27/2009 10:23:00 AM
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT circumstances! Your first sentence ADMITS the copper was in a bar DRINKING, you goof! You are not helping!
carter is a bonehead not a clue....pretty scary since they stopped the street deputy thing and now we are stuck with the idiots that they made into commanders....
It states the PO was read the warning to motorist.
If you are read the warning to motorist, there must be probable cause to show you were under the influence and you are placed under arrest PRIOR to reading the warnings.
5/27/2009 10:09:00 AM
Must be under arrest then warning to motorist rights are given. They need probable cause to make the initial arrest. Smell of alcoholic beverage alone is not probable cause. They need signs of impairment. Even failing SFST alone is not probable cause. There is a very specific procedure to follow and IAD does not not the sufficient knowledge. Even ASA do not understand the process.
give me a break you bitter as@hole... quit whining about manpower, its not just a problem in 008 but all 25 districts.. it sounds to me that you have a problem with the guys on that team or the sgt and could care less about the manpower problem. if you got a problem with them why not say it to thier face, otherwise shut the fu*k up and go back to doing nothing... its not my problem your life is so miserable that the only thing that brings you joy is to whine and complain... what a joke your life is... enjoy moms basement stroke.
5/27/2009 12:43:00 PM
AMEN!!! Not all got there with a phone call. Some of the guys on this team got there because they make arrests, don't spend an hour on paper calls, back up other cops, and don't spend 2 hours of the watch twitching their dicks at the dollies in the convenience stores.
blow this ...as seen on my new bumper sticker on my new tahoe now that I am back on the streets..LIFM
What did you expect? Did you think the officer would have been given the same courtesy afforded to the daughter of the Assistant Superintendent? 008th District is a joke. Just a thought.
hope carter loses his fucking house//// 011; 14jul86
Hire an attorney.....enough is enough.
"This seems to start with the public and media and extends all the way to shortshanks and JFed. The media is all but trying and convicting cops as soon as one of these story breaks.
Make sure you go out there and bust your ass for Ritchie and JFed. You know they've got your back!
5/27/2009 04:41:00 AM"
No, it starts with daley inc., is enabled by the media and encouraged by the bottom feeder litigators and their ever growing number of scumbag citizen 'clients'.
The public is an ass, led around by their desire for the carrot hanging from the end of the stick duct taped on the top of their thick skulls.
"Do you think the mayor is jealous of all the kids that got picked for the grand prize game on Bozo the clown's show? With all his daddy's pull he couldn't get jr. on the show.
5/27/2009 07:40:00 AM"
And it still stings to this very day.
I've been on this job for a while now working mainly in south districts. I've seen many good and bad exempts. However, once Carter came to 004 the moves he made and the leadership errors he has done speaks volume for his character. This action is no different. People have been posting for awhile how bad he is. He's up there with the burger queen. Sue the bastard for all he has. You know if it was him who was wronged he certainly would be making a case out of it.
Sue the shit out of him and bring back real street deputies..This is fucking assinine.
5/27/2009 02:25:00 AM
I agree with the suit, and that this incident is assinine. However... I wouldent be in a rush to bring back the "real" Street Deputies. They were the old trusted bag men of days forgotten.
Was the civilian drinking? Wasn't there a family barbeque going on? What was his/her state of sobriety when the accusation was made? Was this documented? Aren't they accountable for making any false accusations?
Doesn't the SENIOR officer present have to notify DCFS since the family was having a party and the children were allowed to run loose and endanger themselves due to the lack of parental supervision?
Also, in this case, did the senior officer present take the father and mother into the station for DCFS and also acertain iof they had been drinking or using other substances? If not, did the boss disobey State Law, and did he also hamper a state investigation and destroy evidence?
The result of Pay to Play supv's. This city has gotten what it's too cuckholded to do anything about. Chicago is the "crooked politician" laughingstock of the world. Couldn't they at least require having a fucking brain to accompany the payments?
Kup is a nice guy. He also bought his spot just like everyone else. It doesn't take too much computer knowledge to find out who his clout is. A fifth grader could do it.
Anonymous said...
'Another clout jagoff that was never the police just a snitch!'
Whatever you think about Carter, he's never been a 'snitch' to anyone. I worked in 003 when Carter was the tact Lt., and he never gave us any grief. My partner went out there and did our jobs, and we got along fine. Clearly, some of the dogs out there have issues with bosses that hold them accountable; no problem.
Why don't you take it up with the man personally, rather than run a personal tirade against him here for public viewing?
I'm willing to bet that Carter's running the officer through the FSTs and the blow (.00) will protect the city and the ODPO in the coming civil suit which will allege the officer of all sorts of bullshit.
5/27/2009 03:57:00 PM
Ok now back under his desk and wipe your mouth off!
Another Genius! said...
Same thing happened to an off duty cop in 24 who was drinking at a bar. Gangbanger came in and beat him up. Lt. Schlos forced him to blow. He was the victim. This cop should also sue her.
5/27/2009 10:23:00 AM
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT circumstances! Your first sentence ADMITS the copper was in a bar DRINKING, you goof! You are not helping!
5/27/2009 04:31:00 PM
Cop was victim of a battery. He was taken into custody and held at the station. He was denied medical treatment for several hours from the battery. That is a violation of civil rights, Goof, and worth a suit.
The thing most pepl don't know about this incident is that the on duty LT, acting WC, told him it was illegal to make him criminally bow. Carter was aware. He was told, we can make him administratively bow...no problem, but he is not drunk and there is no evidence of it so we can not make him criminally blow. After 30 minutes making phone calls because he is a mush, he said, No make him criminally blow. Then tried to get a car from the person's district to adminster it. Fucking intelligent you idiot.
So for all of those, "You have to administratively blow" people, we know. But if you know te law and our orders, they are distinctly different. To give someone PFST, you must have reasonable suspicion that you will have to articulate in court. This case, NONE. SOme idiot two hours later saying "that guy was drunk" once the SGT was doing the witness statement, is not reasonable.
2. To give someone the warnings to motorist, YOU MUST BE UNDER ARREST. What does that mean? The officer's must have had probable cause to arrestthis individual for DUI in order to even give those warnings, much less the actual test for dui. Officer, enjoy the freedom of never having to work another side job unless your wife takes three quarters...I think half is still going to be good enough for this one!!!!
Hey, I was just thinking about his age, why wasn't he drafted ?
civilian post
5/27/2009 03:26:00 PM
Daddy got him a college deferment, just like Cheney got 5 times.
I don't care for Carter but I do want you all to know your what is right and how to protect yourself. Since it was an allegation, we have been all over the news daily for accidents where the officers were DUI, wouldn't it make sense to remove all doubt so this officer would not be drug through the mud by the family and the media stating we covered this up. Carter was doing his job as Street Deputy and I commend him.
He must have one hell of a house for everyone to comment on suing him and taking his house. Of all the things I have seen done over my 32 years, this is not worth the law suit, but go ahead; I have seen things happen for less.
You know what I like about old bag men? They said "Kid, if you wanna get some stripes I'm gonna need an envelope this thick." They didn't hide and decieve or pretend like someone earned anything. They were the most honest crooks I ever knew. When they were gonna fuck you over,they gave you fair warning.
For the rest, be very careful of Carter and exempts like this. Isn't he the guy that has 3 front office people all with less than 5 years and they have been hidden off the street for quite a while? Somebody in 004 confirm.
5/27/2009 03:56:00 PM
Thats not true. He did Commander Garrity from 022 a favor and brought in his old secretary who was dumped after he left. She has at least 15 years or more on the job. Nice person also. She use to work here when she was still in 022.
To the guy claiming Carter saved the City money in a lawsuit...WRONG.
CARTER should not have done the "criminal" aspect of this case. You don't have a choice, with our orders now, to make an opinion---you have to administratively blow if there is an allegation. That was not the issue. Th eissue was him disregarding civil rights by making it acriminal matter, before it was administrative. It was never criminal and the administrative portion of the investigtaion would have cleared the officer for any lawsuits....
Just an FYI
I don't know Carter, but this is a bonehead move.
It is no surprise,especially with the acting street deputy,ask anyone in 004
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT circumstances! Your first sentence ADMITS the copper was in a bar DRINKING, you goof! You are not helping!
5/27/2009 04:31:00 PM
It's not illegal to drink in a bar is it? and because you are in a bar having a drink you can be a victim of a crime and nothing is done about it? you're the goof..
This was not an administrative blow this was an arrest and the SFTS is only to be given after arrest based upon probable cause.
Wrong the SFST are issued to establish if probable cause exists to arrest, now I agree completely that they fucked this copper over and I hope he succeeds if he chooses to sue but most people don't know DUI because nobody wants to learn how to do tehm correctly, if he was made to blow criminally he has them, if its admin, he doesn't.
Whats stupid is people bitching because ADS Carter made him blow. Do you know how many years of a court battle and dragging this officer's name through the mud that one action protected this guy from? The city would have been out a large sum also trying to prove that CPD did not try and cover it up since the allegation was made. I'd rather have a Boss stand up, make a descision that in the long run would benefit me than not. I think that a lot of your readers have what so many officers have and that is the green giant on their backs. No one in anyone's eyes would be perfect but I would rather you make a statement, support it with facts then go on. I can say a whole lot of things about a whole lot of people, but it does not mean that any of them are true. Let me start one now. Did you know the Easter Bunny was questionable?
Anonymous said...
Kup is a nice guy. He also bought his spot just like everyone else. It doesn't take too much computer knowledge to find out who his clout is. A fifth grader could do it.
5/27/2009 09:49:00 PM
could it be BURKE? Leos clout? and ellyns clout? curtains clout? rices clout?
But, you do need probable cause to arrest somebody. And somebody is arrested when they are not free to leave.
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When does a detention become an arrest?
It seems to me this should have been handled the same way it would have been handled if the guy was not a cop.
Does a driver in an accident have to do the blow if someone just says he is drunk? I kind of doubt it.
OTOH, the guy identified himself as a cop, meaning there is some justification for suggesting it be handled similar to an on duty situation.
This is a really simple story. Here are the facts.
We, just like the citizens we police, do have rights. If we want a right to counsel we are entitled to it. If our counsel suggests we blow and do it thats one thing, to be made to blow thats another thing.
As for saving the city money/image. The citizens and media already have us pegged for what they think we are. One story either good or bad isn't really going to change it. Some think we are always bad and some think we are always good and both are wrong. You don't save the city money and the po's image when he turns around and sues you.
Carter hasn't proven himself as a leader. Because he leaves you alone doesn't mean he is a great boss. Its his history and actions that you have to judge him on. I'm sure some people like him just as I'm sure people hate him. But when you look at how he got where he got and what he did along the way you see he is a typical merit promotion hack who should be sued for violating someones rights.
Now he and others will try to downplay this incident buy saying all this saving money and image crap but simple fact he screwed up. Own up to it like a man, face the consequences, and move on. Thats what a leader does.
But, you do need probable cause to arrest somebody. And somebody is arrested when they are not free to leave.
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When does a detention become an arrest?
It seems to me this should have been handled the same way it would have been handled if the guy was not a cop.
Does a driver in an accident have to do the blow if someone just says he is drunk? I kind of doubt it.
OTOH, the guy identified himself as a cop, meaning there is some justification for suggesting it be handled similar to an on duty situation.
5/28/2009 09:18:00 AM
It's pretty safe to say that the detention became an arrest when the began to process an arrest(warning to motorist). Please don't use stupid letters like OTOH when you have access to a keyboard because I see and I just think your a fucking idiot. It doesn't take much more effort to type out Go Fuck Yourself, than to type GFY. It makes you seem like a lazy, punk, passive aggressive bitch.
Daddy got him a college deferment, just like Cheney got 5 times.
5/28/2009 12:06:00 AM
Holy Fuck.
Dick Cheney has avoided every war from the Civil War to Vietnam.
The first mistake would be hiring an fop attorney, get your own. The fop answers to the 5th floor, Always.
Now that "IKE" is on his way to prison will his brother still have clout?
You know what I like about old bag men? They said "Kid, if you wanna get some stripes I'm gonna need an envelope this thick." They didn't hide and decieve or pretend like someone earned anything. They were the most honest crooks I ever knew. When they were gonna fuck you over,they gave you fair warning.
5/28/2009 12:43:00 AM
I forgot about stuff like that, on second hand, yes, bring back the "real" Street Deputys! Hopefully, this job wil go back to being fun too!
Anonymous said...
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT circumstances! Your first sentence ADMITS the copper was in a bar DRINKING, you goof! You are not helping!
5/27/2009 04:31:00 PM
It's not illegal to drink in a bar is it? and because you are in a bar having a drink you can be a victim of a crime and nothing is done about it? you're the goof..
5/28/2009 03:08:00 You two need to STFU! U wanna give out this much info? Let the public know the Dept. rule and your all F**ked!
I work in 004. Let's set the record straight. Carter brought in EP as his secretary with 3 yrs on the job, after 3 weeks on this job she screwed up everything. Carter wouldn't get rid of her, he still keeps her straight days and weekends off, by the way she only worked a beat car for 4 periods in her entire career. The goof Carter now had to go out and get another secretary. Also how about the lapa member with 4 years on the job also in the front office with straight days and weekends off. Activity in 004 is down 90 percent since this jerk got here. Carter is stupid and doesn't know anything about this job. He illegally held and ordered unwarranted tests on this Officer. THIS IS CALLED FALSE ARREST. Sue him, take a million or 2 and forget about this job.
004 is in total shambles because of this jagoff. We all know he knows nothing so we have absolutely no confidence in him.
004 is the worst district in the city because of one a*hole, Carter.
Anonymous said...
This was not an administrative blow this was an arrest and the SFTS is only to be given after arrest based upon probable cause.
Wrong the SFST are issued to establish if probable cause exists to arrest, now I agree completely that they fucked this copper over and I hope he succeeds if he chooses to sue but most people don't know DUI because nobody wants to learn how to do tehm correctly, if he was made to blow criminally he has them, if its admin, he doesn't.
5/28/2009 03:18:00 AM
Department ignores DUI training. The traffic division is a complete joke. The traffic LTS are ignorant of DUI and it is not a priority to them. The department had IAD sgts trained to operate breath machine but not the DUI process. When called to the scene, IAD can only demand a administrative blow. Who can they call if street bosses need advice? Even ASA's are ignorant of the steps to develop a DUI case. DUI is not a priority unless a P.O. is involved.
You can bitch all you want. I am ashamed of being a Police Officer these days. Every little thing that is done by anyone is disected through the department and media. As a 30 plus year veteran and a lawyer(I don't care,so what), I can put a spin on anything and make it stick. Beleive me I have, but this is BS. No matter how much you hate him, he was right. I really don't mind debating back and forth with you but fact is fact. If he does sue him, after it is all said and done because this Commander did his job, the officer will be eligible for him to turn around and sue in return. From looking at his house, I think he can hang in there for the long hall, so be careful what you open yourself up for and ask for, especially when he has the general orders, department policy and the law behind him. It really doesn't matter if we like him or not, fact is fact.
I have found over my 3 decades as a cop, looking back and listening to stories of when my father and grandfather were cops, the bosses people hate the most more often than not, were the best because they did their job and made sure you did yours. They also knew what to do when the shit really did hit the fan. I also know their is more to this story than is being posted, but hey, I like reading this shit so keep it going.
Anonymous said...
I work in 004. Let's set the record straight. Carter brought in EP as his secretary with 3 yrs on the job, after 3 weeks on this job she screwed up everything. Carter wouldn't get rid of her, he still keeps her straight days and weekends off, by the way she only worked a beat car for 4 periods in her entire career. The goof Carter now had to go out and get another secretary. Also how about the lapa member with 4 years on the job also in the front office with straight days and weekends off. Activity in 004 is down 90 percent since this jerk got here. Carter is stupid and doesn't know anything about this job. He illegally held and ordered unwarranted tests on this Officer. THIS IS CALLED FALSE ARREST. Sue him, take a million or 2 and forget about this job.
004 is in total shambles because of this jagoff. We all know he knows nothing so we have absolutely no confidence in him.
004 is the worst district in the city because of one a*hole, Carter.
5/28/2009 01:55:00 PM
You my friend are a very angry person and need help. I work here also and that is a lie. Why so angry? The last Commander was actually the worst Commander we have had and I have spent my whole career here. Who he has as a secretary does not make him. The old bitter women that have been running this district for years need to go and you know it IF your really work here. If arrests are down it is not because of him. I can't find time to arrest anyone from running from call to call. I actually like it here and like what he has been doing. What are you so pissed about? He has been a stand up guy and a stand up boss. Don't take your anger and make something big out of it. Also, that P.O. is not getting shit. Before you spout out, get the real story first! Finally a boss with some balls. Don't you think he knew we would shit on him? He still did what he thought was right and in the long run, it will help the officer involved.
Stupid, you have no basis for a lawsuit and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Read your contract and know your rights. FOP was contacted and was very aware.
Own up to it like a man, face the consequences, and move on. Thats what a leader does.
5/28/2009 10:22:00 AM
Who do you want him to own up to? He did it, said he did and did a report stating he did it. Who exactly should he own up too? Why don't YOU try telling him that to his face! Lets see how big of a guy you are then Mr. Anonymous. Also, he was not promoted merit to either one of his positions. Why don't you call FOP and ask them yourself. They have the names of all merit promotees from day one and everyone knows someone there. I am not here to take up for him. He is the type of man that can very well take care of himself. Crawl from under your rock and tell him to his face.
Also, regarding the lawsuit. You should have did your homework. I can see you really don't know him now do you?
Do you really think he gives a fuck what you think?
Funny how the reply complains about being anonymous but then posts itself anonymous.
Own up to it like a man, face the consequences, and move on. Thats what a leader does.
5/28/2009 10:22:00 AM
Who do you want him to own up to? He did it, said he did and did a report stating he did it. Who exactly should he own up too? Why don't YOU try telling him that to his face! Lets see how big of a guy you are then Mr. Anonymous. Also, he was not promoted merit to either one of his positions. Why don't you call FOP and ask them yourself. They have the names of all merit promotees from day one and everyone knows someone there. I am not here to take up for him. He is the type of man that can very well take care of himself. Crawl from under your rock and tell him to his face.
Also, regarding the lawsuit. You should have did your homework. I can see you really don't know him now do you?
5/28/2009 10:31:00 PM
Glad to see Carter and his friends read SCC too based on some of these replies.
004 is really no different than it is city wide. We are severely understaffed and our leadership is nonexistent. Yes that means EC and who would be afraid to tell that to his face? What is he going to do sit on me?
Unfortunately, throughout the history of the department it seems like we can only temporarily solve the staffing issue from time to time. The management issue gets clouded by politics.
How about sorry for violating your constitutional rights. He might also want to say please don't sue me I like my house.
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Own up to it like a man, face the consequences, and move on. Thats what a leader does.
5/28/2009 10:22:00 AM
Who do you want him to own up to? He did it, said he did and did a report stating he did it. Who exactly should he own up too? Why don't YOU try telling him that to his face!
Anonymous said...
Funny how the reply complains about being anonymous but then posts itself anonymous.
Own up to it like a man, face the consequences, and move on. Thats what a leader does.
5/28/2009 10:22:00 AM
Since I don't have a sign in screen name and this computer is at my part time job, I didn't think to just leave my name. Michael Smith I wish SCC would require everyone to leave their name. Like I said, he is not a friend but the few times I have been in his space he has made it clear that he is who he is, he is the real police and he does not give a fuck what me you or anyone else thinks about it. As you recall, me and my partner got into some shit and he was the one that guided us through documenting our actions correctly and doing what we should have to cover our own as becuase the department or FOP sure the fuck wasn't!
004 is in total shambles because of this jagoff. We all know he knows nothing so we have absolutely no confidence in him.
004 is the worst district in the city because of one a*hole, Carter.
5/28/2009 01:55:00 PM
YOU definately do not work in 004. We do not agree. Fuck you very much. Leave our Commander alone! If you do, you are a dog ass that is pissed that he no longer lets you fucks hide!
The fact that he has a gold star means he has had at least 1 merit promotion. They don't usually hand those out to people who respect blue shirts but rather people who listen to Daley.
Bet he gets promoted for screwing us over.
Anonymous said...
The fact that he has a gold star means he has had at least 1 merit promotion. They don't usually hand those out to people who respect blue shirts but rather people who listen to Daley.
5/29/2009 08:23:00 PM
Yes idiot and if you recall he was a Sergeant in 007 and a Lieutenant in 003. That is where the 2 came from. Can you count dumb fuck! Everyone knows every Exempt is promoted on Merit, EVERYONE! After enduring all this shit and working at least 14 hours everyday, I bet he wished he had thoght twice before taking on the BS. I work in 004 so I see him every fucking day that I am sentenced here. I don't care how much we hate the bosses, they are fed shit everyday then held accountable for shit they can't control or begin to impact. Tell the fucking truth. Savages are savages and I don't care if we are standing right there,they are going to shoot each other. Since only a few of the 13000 work here, I am running from job to job trying to make sure I at least get a fucking lunch. Mike Masters, come lock some folks up out here hell, we don't have time to make an arrest, but we see you do!
Anonymous said...
How about sorry for violating your constitutional rights. He might also want to say please don't sue me I like my house.
You guys are such haters! So what he has a beautiful house. YOU will NEVER see it or get it. You can take that to the bank! NEXT BS!
Anonymous said...
Glad to see Carter and his friends read SCC too based on some of these replies.
Yes we do because we like reading this shit too. This is the only place we can get half and half. Half BS and Half fact. I guess I just didn't realize how many miserable fucks we have working the street everyday. This is scary!
OBVIOUSLY the dept. needs to spend some time and money on DUI training when 40 different coppers get on SCC with 40 different interpretations of what the law and their rights are. Very,very sad.
anyone know of an attorney that handles labor issues, such as due process, false claims by the department against an employee, or claiming a G.O. violation, but the allegation has no merit. I need a referral. Time to turn the tables for a change.
Anonymous said...
anyone know of an attorney that handles labor issues, such as due process, false claims by the department against an employee, or claiming a G.O. violation, but the allegation has no merit. I need a referral. Time to turn the tables for a change.
6/01/2009 01:38:00 PM
Anyone in Labor law can do that. Come on, I want to see this fight. I bet the department wins and as you say, you NEVER see his beautiful house!!! Come on idiot!
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