All Sorts of Rumors
It's definitely going to be an interesting spring.
No bid openings this past Friday. Some old timers are saying this is the first time in years they've seen something like this. What does it mean? Retirements have outpaced hiring for years now and the shortages are becoming acute. The only way to staunch the bleeding is not let people leave Patrol. And that leads to all sorts of rumors posted over the last day or so:
No bid openings this past Friday. Some old timers are saying this is the first time in years they've seen something like this. What does it mean? Retirements have outpaced hiring for years now and the shortages are becoming acute. The only way to staunch the bleeding is not let people leave Patrol. And that leads to all sorts of rumors posted over the last day or so:
- Saturation and Gun Teams soon to be disbanded. A lot of personnel and vehicles heading back to the districts. Level 2 DOC will be covered by tac and rapid response cars. Deputy chief will also have to send all sworn personnel in his office except for two P.O.'s back to the district for street duty. This is coming down soon per Dugan.
- More than 35 people put their papers in on Friday. Many supervisors, some of whom said they ware dissatisfied with where this department is going. They expect that there will bo other "Black Friday's" as well. So many people in their 50's were lined up it looked like they were waiting to buy tickets to a Grateful Dead revival Concert.
- The remaining capt's will love this. Four hours of ot everyday at D5 pay. They'll stay in the office for an extra hour and tell the desk sgt to call them if they need them. In all reality the commander should be the 2nd watch w/c. Then have the remaining capt's work 1st and 3rd watch.
How about an experiment? We'd like to see at least one poster from every district post the number of beat cars or wagons unmanned the next day or two. Just a snapshot of what the future holds. We're betting it ain't pretty.
Labels: from the comments, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
248 Comments:
Who ever thinks the Commander can be the second watch watch commander and still do his/her regular job obviously has never sat in either chair... there is NO WAY ...
MAN THE DISTRICTS AND GO FROM THERE!VERY SIMPLE ,TRU DONT DO ANYTHING ANYWAY BUT BUD ARRESTS,CRIMINAL TRESSPASS ARRESTS AND CONTACT CARDS ANYWAY!ANSWER CALLS WHERE U CAN DO SOME GOOD!MOBILE STRIKE FORCE DITTO THAT!
Im a November 06 tester. From what I understand everything is still moving with my list. I am a bit dishearted in seeing sixty million dollars being committed to people in the ghetto to watch the schools, while only thirteen million was given to the police to hire. Im hanging in there and am ready for my phone to ring.
Finally a good idea, getting rid of the Saturation Teams and Gun Teams. I'm sure TRU is next. I don't see anything happening with TACT teams other than having them take jobs.
OH, now I have a dilemma. Do I join the fleeing hordes (kma, but not quite maxed) and recover my sanity?
Or do I $tay and reap the overtime benefit$ of our being increa$ingly undermanned??
What about Tobias is he still hiding out?
I posted this in another topic, but it's more appropriate here.
As for the video of the fight on 4200 Milwaukee Avenue is that the normal clientele there? Did the Portage Theater have some event that brought those street brawlers out?
I never would have expected to see that there. Maybe a gaggle of drunken Euro trash fighting, but not refugees from the West Side.
24 has all cars up and running. full staff on weekend on third watch and more during the week. we got it good.
good bosses and good workers. i know its slow, but still good bunch of people. only a few nutz.
did my ghetto time. god bless the ones in the trenches.
if they send me from 24 to help i am otw.
good luck and watch your back, dont charge in without enough people. remember we dont fight fair, we fight to win.
any rumors on opening the special employment up at the airports again? why continue to allow the guys on the A&A's at 050 & 051 to make time and half to work their RDO's so they can play Paul Blart on a segway? i would like to clear $300 a day to play mall cop! i'm just saying.
Sounds like things are about to get Tight..
29 years ago in 1981 a very large group of recruits entered the training academy: January, April, May, and June. They all were done with their traning and detailed to Jane Byrne's Chicago fest at Navy Pier.
Fast forward to 2010: As the months tick by these KMA officers are likely to retire and further deplete the dwindling number of officers in district law enforcement.
Any chance of a hiring spree before the warm days of summer turn Chicago into a killing spree?
What? Gun teams disbanded? Area 1 and 2 Gun Teams are the ones doing most of the work on this stupid job. Yep. Stupid job. As an observer (ie. canine unit) these guys and gals are keeping the lockups busy. Getting bad guys and dope and guns are what they do and now they are penalized by some bull crap. You have units or teams doing what they are supposed to do and then wipe them out? Stupid. Just like that behavior program the department placed our hard working officers on. The department ruined good officers on that one. Those officers don't do nothing anymore. In a nutshell the climate is now perfect for the bad guys to operate untouched in Chicago now days. The working aggressive cop is as ancient as the dinosaur these days also. Oh yea, I am sure the disbanded officers will be real productive placed in uniform or wherever. What a joke. Stupid job and a slap in the face to all the citizens and everyone that thought they were making a difference.
OT: Can we trust filling that real estate rebate form from the city ?
Thanks men.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I wouldn't worry about it. Most Sgts IQs are around room temperature
Yeah but yer the blue shirt that can't pass a test......
1/17/2010 12:41:00 AM
Waaah! Mommy, some jerkoff blue shirt on the blog said I'm not smart.
Mommy Whiteshirt: Don't worry dear. Not everybody comes from a family of whiteshirts. They are commoners and don't understand how IMPORTANT we are. They can disrespect you all they want on that insignificant "small people" blog. And when I say small people, I don't mean your father, he has a gold braid pension and still is employed in another more important($$$) capacity for "mine mayor". You see son, small people are the worker bees, we control them. They are necessary, if only to produce the honey that keeps our stats looking great. Just tell the no clout workers bringing in arrests, contact cards and ANOVS, that you have noticed how hard they work and it will pay off on the next promotional test...HAHAAHAAHA! I know son, that and a quarter will get a ride on the bus to work. But they BELIEVE this to be true and will work their ass off to please you. That is until they come to their senses.
And the crack about your IQ... have you been talking about the short bus again?
1/17/2010 09:06:00 AM
Boy you blueshirts need to calm down and realize we're in this mess together. We're in the same boat, so you're happy ass better grab a paddle. Maybe if you got out of Starbuck's for part of the tour and generated some activity (Wow! What's that Boss?) then maybe the City would have enough revenue to hire more police! Then you could take the robber's mask off when you collect your paycheck for just answering 911 calls. Try doing some work in between calls for service, instead of trying to make sure you get your daily personal. Oh my God! I didn't take aa personal today, I fuct myself.
Sh+t boss you must be crazy.
We goin back to da watch!!!!!
In all reality the commander should be the 2nd watch w/c. Then have the remaining capt's work 1st and 3rd watch.
Cmon SCC you know the last thing the Commander has time for is watch commander duties, it's an awful idea, they spend most of the day out of the station at meeting after meeting. They will either continue to pay out of grade or promote. Expect out of grade or ot for current Capts.
We aren't factoring in the fact that it's winter.
Even the fastest of districts are slow past 2100 hours. Wait until the summer, when days is down to bare bones due to the old timers being on furlo and these fast districts are down many officers due to IOD and others are on furlo...
This was implemented in the winter, the "slowest" time of the year for us. If you think it's bad now, it will only get worse when there are festivals depleting the districts of those poor souls with 5 years on but are reverse senority sent all over creation, the tact/gang teams are manning whatever parade/fest is transpiring, and it gets busy and inevitably, more officers get hurt.
This summer is gonna be brutal for us in patrol. And let's not forget last summer, when the natives were not only restless, but we were very undermanned and police fighters abounded.
Noone fears the police, they don't respect us. We are fighting a losing battle, and it's only getting worse.
The idea if Decentralizing is becoming closer and closer to reality. The shortage in manpower dictates such change in the near future as the hiring process is not moving at a pace that is parallel to the need.
We can assume that the change in responsibility to fill every possible void on the Districts' level will be on the shoulders of the Deputy Chief for each Area.
To satisfy such responsibility and organize communities' needs, the shift in ranks and the general domain responsibility for each title is not only necessary but a must. In doing so, the patrol officer will be ultimate pressure relief valve for all avenues taken.
The redundant responsibilies for the multiple units we know of is very apparent to all and need tuning to better benefit " the back bone of the Department: the patrol division".
Responsibilities of supervisors should flow from Area Level to satisfy the District's needs. The use of the Caps Lt. Should be expanded. The Firld Lt's also madates a Universal role.
Decentralizing is the way to go but let us not forget that safety are in numbers and being efficiency in controlling law enforcement operations never leads to safe environments.
Let alone and not counting the fact that outside and international terrorism is a big factor that big cities are not including in any decision makings.
The role of medical miracles is directly influencing planning and decision makings and unfortunately might lead to many safety fragmentations.
Keep up the good work, back each other up, stay observant, keep your knowledge on the increase of what goes on around you, locally and internationally.
Be safe and God Bless.
Hello out there, fellow gang and tactical warriors!
Fear not, for I have a plan to help bring this city to its bloody knees. This St. Patrick's day, I'm organizing a pub crawl in Oak Lawn and Cicero. The tickets will cost $155.26 U.S.C. The booze fest will be a "Big Bird Retirement Party/Big T. Abbonte Benefit."
I hope to get at least 300 hundred officers, (elderly grandparents and infant children admitted). We will meet at Headquarters at 0700 hrs. For those officers to scared to drink and drive, buses will be provided. My good friend, Tobias, has volunteered to be a sober bus driver.
All participants will recieve a free yellow T-shirt with "Original Tactical Warrior" written on the front, with a picture of "Seiser" smoking a cigar on the back.
Here's where my plan comes in. At the stroke of midnight, every officer that's still standing is to put on there "dress blues," and the buses will take us to the risque Heavenly Bodies club. Once there, every officer is to punch the nearest stripper and pervert within range. I figure, by the time it's all over, after the media gets involved, lawsuits, lawyers, etc. The government will be forced to take over the city and then the midget(whom I love) will get tossed into Club F.E.D.
Don't worry guys and gals. It's not like they can fire all of us. And even if they do, at least it will be on our terms. Until next time, take care out there fellow Delta Force Warriors.
Rumor Mill: To my brothers and sisters on the midnight gang teams. If the rumors are true, rest in peace. For the love of God, use whatever phone call you can muster so you don't have to put on a dreaded blue shirt!
I call bs about the gun and sat teams... And two people per office
I hate to say this to the good citizens of this shit city but,
"YOU GUYS ARE FUCKED"!
ARM YOURSELVES!!!!!
I/F
http://www.kold.com/global/story.asp?s=11836322
Phoenix (AP) - Trash truck drivers covering the same routes day after day will soon be aiding Phoenix police in the battle against criminals.
Waste Management and Phoenix police are joining forces in a national program called Waste Watch
Maybe this will be the City's new solution.
Well Happy New Year, was it just me or did J-Joke seem kind of sheepish and deflated at his last J-fest news sound bite. I think even HE is tired of his own numbers fudging mismanagement. He has been reduced to telling incredible lies on TV,torpedoing his own department and then now realizing that he has to go down with the ship. All parts of Chicago have turned onto the ghetto thanks to daley and j-fool...and this is winter. Stand by for a real summer and real cops being reduced to "looking the other way" for self preservation.
The only way Chicago can save itself from total anarchy is to kill the gun bann and normal citizens can take back the streets.
CPD is on it's last legs and can't help you anymore people and you know who to thank. 20 and out and a relo and a finger.
They'll disband patrol before they disband any teams. The department knows that small "team concept" units of elite , aggressive, new breed officers.....willing to roll anywhere at a moments notice is the only thing that can work.
All you dinosaur cops are just jealous.
The 55 and over is working. Many cities are laying off police, fire and other city workers. Just another way of doing it with the underfunded pension fund picking up the tab.
Only real problem will come when the fund runs out of money around 2022 or so.
old retired guy
Many years ago I was a young s
Sgt. in the DD. We were 275 Dets down on 31 Dec. On 1 Jan we were 100 Dets down. I asked the Lt. how that could be, he said they just wiped them out of the budget. I suspect that's what happened to all those previous Dist openings - GONE
The saturation and gun team reassignment is a great idea. They have quite a few P.O.'s and sergeants assigned to those units. They could be utilized well in the district and the extra vehicles would be a welcome addition. It's not like they do any more than the beat cars. Put them back in the districts.
Area 3 gun sgt would crap his pants! He is so lost he wouldn't know what to do in a district as a beat sgt!
hate to bust your bubble. as of now, all watches are full and plenty of tac teams in 015. 2nd watch even has 10-4 cars.
Breaking up these units is a start...you should also break up T.R.U. AND M.S.F....keep S.W.A.T...obviously we need them....but its a NO BRAINER....boots on the ground IN THE DISTRICTS....not get 1 head or 2 contact cards and then the rest of the day is bullshit then go home....BEEF UP GANG/TACT/RAPIDS IN DISTRICTS....PROBLEM SOLVED!
Cmon SCC you know the last thing the Commander has time for is watch commander duties, it's an awful idea
It wasn't our idea...see the tag? "from the comments"? These are comments from other people
011 district, mimdnights, 3 beat cars down, days, no rapids on a weekday, thrid watch, no rapids at all.
As for the video of the fight on 4200 Milwaukee Avenue is that the normal clientele there? Did the Portage Theater have some event that brought those street brawlers out?
I never would have expected to see that there. Maybe a gaggle of drunken Euro trash fighting, but not refugees from the West Side.
1/18/2010 12:30:00 AM
Dump Levar! He's done absolutely nothing for the decrepid 6 corners ghost town. It's awful. Now the west side is creeping into the territory. Get rid of him and get someone who dynamic with a vision to clean that place up.
All of you on the job should be pushing for Weis to issue another written exam. It has been over THREE YEARS since the last one, and many experienced officers like myself would be willing to make the transition over to Chicago. It's embarrassing that neither city hall of the CPD cares about its rank and file.
929 am.........you know very little fellow. The area teams produce more than most districts. Statistically, the gun teams, especially Areas 1,2, and 4 bring in more guns than most districts. And that is with far less manpower. Until O'Grady took over, the gun teams also produced more warrants.
I sw some of those retirees heading out the door Friday.
Some of those guys were good
people, people that I never thought
had put in their papers so young.
Seeing some of them leave, it left a feeling in me that the worst is yet to come.
Anonymous said...
What? Gun teams disbanded? Area 1 and 2 Gun Teams are the ones doing most of the work on this stupid job. Yep. Stupid job. As an observer (ie. canine unit) these guys and gals are keeping the lockups busy. Getting bad guys and dope and guns are what they do and now they are penalized by some bull crap.
1/18/2010 12:59:00 AM
Hahahahah, I hate to break it to you big guy, but the real work of this department has been done by, and always will be done by, the actual beat officers. I'm on a team as well, and sure it's an important form of support to the watches, but you gotta be kidding me with your overblown sense of importance!
ALL RUMORS
Im a November 06 tester. From what I understand everything is still moving with my list. I am a bit dishearted in seeing sixty million dollars being committed to people in the ghetto to watch the schools, while only thirteen million was given to the police to hire. Im hanging in there and am ready for my phone to ring.
1/18/2010 12:19:00 AM
dude wake up find another job don't do this shit
why don't they just let us sign up for Special-District OT, so we can make more $$$ and the City won't need to hire?
Back in the day, when I was in 015 ( KMA with about 90 days to go)there was a manpower shortage too.At the time there were 12 beats and at least one or two would be unfilled at any given time.The media( I think it was Channel 5) got a hold of it and asked Supt. Fried Rice why that was.Then the other channels and newspapers jumped on it too.Ol'Fred was starting to sweat for a while but then the MIRACLE happened.Rice stated at a news interview, when asked about manpower, that all beat cars were now manned.The media put smiles on their faces and thanked him, with nothing said after that.How did he perform this feat you ask? Simple...he ELIMINATED 3 beats in 015 alone and i don't know how many more citywide.I wonder now what other kind of tricks are going to be pulled to maintain the facade. Good luck to those who have to stay.
Bring back ALL Detailed detectives to their CPD Unit, no more Federal Task Forces, etc.. Disband marine Unit, have the Fire Dept. handle it. Let Ill. dept. of Conservation Cops Patrol the lakefront waters,, with the Coast Guard.
Get rid of ALL CAPS related positions, it's a waste of CPD Manpower. Assign ALL PPO's to a Unit based out of the Academy that reports to what ever District needs help, based on priority. Get rid of ALL Merit-Clout-Appointed Dets/Investigators, back to Patrol Division, no loss...
Dont believe that the commander cant do both jobs. For years the 2nd watch commander has acted as the District Commander and 2nd watch commander when the District Commander was on furlo or medical
DUMP ALL CLOUT-MERIT SUPERVISORS BACK TO THEIR CIVIL SERVICE RANKS....
Bring back ALL Detailed detectives to their CPD Unit, no more Federal Task Forces, etc.. Disband marine Unit, have the Fire Dept. handle it. Let Ill. dept. of Conservation Cops Patrol the lakefront waters,, with the Coast Guard.
Get rid of ALL CAPS related positions, it's a waste of CPD Manpower. Assign ALL PPO's to a Unit based out of the Academy that reports to what ever District needs help, based on priority. Get rid of ALL Merit-Clout-Appointed Dets/Investigators, back to Patrol Division, no loss...
Anonymous said...
What? Gun teams disbanded? Area 1 and 2 Gun Teams are the ones doing most of the work on this stupid job. Yep. Stupid job. As an observer (ie. canine unit) these guys and gals are keeping the lockups busy. Getting bad guys and dope and guns are what they do and now they are penalized by some bull crap.
Please..you know good and well there are some people on those teams that are just a waste of space. Some are there just "because they reflect the community" and wouldnt know a good arrest unless it was the result of a holding the offender. Same with the saturation teams. Some very good workers, some fucking disgraces. Dugan should know that better than anyone, he worked at the area for years.
The real solution would not be to get rid of these teams entirely, just cut them back down to 8 or 10 people total. Same with the gang unit. You shouldn't have any more than 20 or so officers working gangs per area. Get rid of some of the dead weight and let them handle the fucking accidents and burglar alarms.
Problem solved. Wheres my promotion?
The Entertainment Detail had 6 cars up, including the plate reader car -- unoccupied and parked on Division with plate reader computer turned off (of course).
" robber mask for answering 911 calls"--- you got it all wrong company man, the robber mask belongs to the meritorious glutton who is being paid beyond their abilities because they are someone special.... hopefully wherever you are a boss you go to roll call and open your big company man mouth and the "real police" just laugh at you and don't give you shit on those check off sheets.....
929 am.........you know very little fellow. The area teams produce more than most districts. Statistically, the gun teams, especially Areas 1,2, and 4 bring in more guns than most districts.
1/18/2010 10:32:00 AM
Not true at all
The use of the Caps Lt. Should be expanded. The Firld Lt's also madates a Universal role
Both of those are do nothing spots, if you eliminate them, they won't be missed.
What does your CAPS lt do?
What was the last significant thing a field lt did while acting as a field lt?
Expand role of watch commander, eliminate field and CAPS lt; most sergeants, like most po's , don't require close supervision.
Im a November 06 tester. From what I understand everything is still moving with my list. I am a bit dishearted in seeing sixty million dollars being committed to people in the ghetto to watch the schools, while only thirteen million was given to the police to hire. Im hanging in there and am ready for my phone to ring.
1/18/2010 12:19:00 AM
If you're that much in love with this job, you got issues.
LAPD is hiring, far better dept with REAL police officers running it.
This just shows the shortage we have. If you dont let people bid out by claiming that there are no openings then at the very least you keep the numbers where they are at in each and every district. I have 10yrs on and have never seen ZERO openings. 003 004 005 006 007 008 ALWAYS have spots
Get rid of those dumbass sat teams and gun teams, theyre a waste of manpower. There are plenty bullshit units that should be disbanded too, get those useless clout babies back in a fucking patrol car instead of hiding in some cushy spot. There are very few guys/gals in units that got there without a phone call. I know there are always a couple, but VERY FEW!! Argue all you want, you know Im right
Anonymous said...
any rumors on opening the special employment up at the airports again? why continue to allow the guys on the A&A's at 050 & 051 to make time and half to work their RDO's so they can play Paul Blart on a segway? i would like to clear $300 a day to play mall cop! i'm just saying.
1/18/2010 12:39:00 AM
Hey dick i work at midway and overtime who the fuck are you kidding? Last period i got 4 hours on a deatil whoever gives you the info has no clue!
They'll disband patrol before they disband any teams. The department knows that small "team concept" units of elite , aggressive, new breed officers.....willing to roll anywhere at a moments notice is the only thing that can work.
All you dinosaur cops are just jealous.
LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO..lost in fillmore ... man 'o' man...OD on the kool-aid? much? next thing you'll be repelling out of the helicopters into rockwell gardens..the what? you say? Oh ya this Dino -cop been there done that.still here LMAO here's your sign.
"Seeing some of them leave, it left a feeling in me that the worst is yet to come.
1/18/2010 10:32:00 AM"
foreboding.
HEY! Hey! Hey! No Grateful Dead Jokes!!!!!
>>Anonymous said...
Who ever thinks the Commander can be the second watch Watch Commander and still do his/her regular job obviously has never sat in either chair... there is NO WAY ...
1/18/2010 12:06:00 AM<<
The Desk Sergeant will be running the 2nd Watch, and what happens when you have an Acting Desk Sergeant? The Actor/Sergeant if he/she has to approve an arrest report should put in for W.C.'s (Captain's) pay.
Or will they try to sneak around that like they did in those districts where they did not have a W.C. on the First watch. They called a W.C. sitting in another district to aprove the arrest report.
Stay safe, God help us. This is all penny pinching so Shorty can spend money on things which make money for his friends.
Hahahahah, I hate to break it to you big guy, but the real work of this department has been done by, and always will be done by, the actual beat officers. I'm on a team as well, and sure it's an important form of support to the watches, but you gotta be kidding me with your overblown sense of importance!
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If it is such a great idea then why don't you be the first to volunteer to go back to the watch. We're all right behind you.
Maybe if you got out of Starbuck's for part of the tour and generated some activity (Wow! What's that Boss?) then maybe the City would have enough revenue to hire more police! Then you could take the robber's mask off when you collect your paycheck for just answering 911 calls. Try doing some work in between calls for service, instead of trying to make sure you get your daily personal. Oh my God! I didn't take aa personal today, I fuct myself.
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Fuck yourself, pansyass whiteshirt. Go do my job for me and shut the fuck up! Asskisser!
Gun, saturation, vice, msf, tru, gangs, ocd, and narcotics send all of their asses back to the districts problem solved.
Can i get an event number for my Haiti donation?
SCC,
How about a thread on this and how the Obama White House has fucked this up. Feel free to edit, if you wish.
Lefty,
Why is it taking so long for your President and his administration to get aid to Hatti???
You and all your bitches blamed Bush for the mess after Katrina. Even though the people had five days warning and refused to leave when ordered to do so.
Then sat around on their lazy asses, then demanded everyone else to take care of them.
Now we have this tragedy in Hatti. These people had no warning. A week has gone by they still have no food or water and are dieing in the streets. All your president has done is get on TV and promote his agenda while the people in Hatti suffer.
What do you have to say now Lefty??? Is this Bush's fault too???
Lefty why don't you call the white house and tell them of your disgust. The should listen, they have big ears!!!
Why is the main stream media not slamming the government on this one. What a fucken joke.
One thing the news is reporting is how many Haitians have been evacuated to the U.S. and Gitmo. The U.S. is giving free entry to the U.S. to any Haitians who arrive on boats.
Yet there are 3000 american citizens attempting to leave Hatty for the U.S. and are being held and not allowed to return home. Because their passports have been lost in the rubble after the quake.
Is this what America has become? Free for all except Ameerican citizens.
We are all interested in hearing your slant on this one Lefty!!!
Ok SCC, in 025 1st watch. We have the wagon doing the duties of the wagon plus they are assigned as a beat car. This has gone on for about at least three years. Last night, the wagon was also beat 2525.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Im a November 06 tester. From what I understand everything is still moving with my list. I am a bit dishearted in seeing sixty million dollars being committed to people in the ghetto to watch the schools, while only thirteen million was given to the police to hire. Im hanging in there and am ready for my phone to ring.
1/18/2010 12:19:00 AM
...Well, I am disheartened that you are already bitter and you have no idea what this job entails. Sit and wait like we did and put a lid on your "ghetto" talk and Bull Shit. You will fit right in with what this department has been hiring these last few years.
Its sad to see the police arguing with each other on this blog!! You see, thats what Daley wants... divide and conquer...we have to stick together and stop the finger pointing. He is the problem not us!! Lets focus our energies on getting rid of these aldermen, or knocking off a few of these rogue judges!!!! Then we'll get his attention!!!!
I am sure the disbanded officers will be real productive placed in uniform
they should be productive in uniform or not it's their job after all.
yep they gone!sat teams gone!area gun and gang teams gone!tru gone by spring!welcome home boyz!we need ya in the districts!time to b the police again!!
To all that want the " teams" disbanded becarefull what you ask for. Non-detailed officers get a supper bid to the districts. Then when watch and furlough bids open the senior guys get first crack, then shit rolls down
hill. That's when the real crying begins.
"They'll disband patrol before they disband any teams. The department knows that small "team concept" units of elite , aggressive, new breed officers.....willing to roll anywhere at a moments notice is the only thing that can work.
All you dinosaur cops are just jealous.
1/18/2010 08:32:00 AM"
You are soft as puppy shit. The A/3 GEU hasn't locked up an honest-t-god gangbanger in months. Nice group of tough-looking clout babies....constantly calling for cars to bang out reports for on-view crashs. Seriously...if you can't throw a couple of report books in your tactical cars don't call for us to do it. You just sound like the privileged douche bag we all knew you were.
What will the 4 hour working Saturation Teams of Area 1 do if they have to work 9 hours now? OMG!!!! No more Fri Sat or Sat Sun days off? I thought Sat Teams were supposed to be there on the weekends?
Anonymous said...
hate to bust your bubble. as of now, all watches are full and plenty of tac teams in 015. 2nd watch even has 10-4 cars.
Anonymous said...
24 has all cars up and running. full staff on weekend on third watch and more during the week. we got it good.
WOW, REALLY? THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE TRAINING
DST SMARTY.
Relax everyone, just handle one call at a time and don't worry about WCs, DCs, CPTs, LTs, SGTs, INVs, or anything else we have no control over. Just do not try to be a hero or do more than you should. City Hall does not care about us so do not get jammed up or hurt.
"Boy you blueshirts need to calm down and realize we're in this mess together."
WHAT YOU MEAN "WE" KEMOSABE?
Boy you blueshirts need to calm down and realize we're in this mess together. We're in the same boat, so you're happy ass better grab a paddle. Maybe if you got out of Starbuck's for part of the tour and generated some activity (Wow! What's that Boss?) then maybe the City would have enough revenue to hire more police! Then you could take the robber's mask off when you collect your paycheck for just answering 911 calls. Try doing some work in between calls for service, instead of trying to make sure you get your daily personal. Oh my God! I didn't take aa personal today, I fuct myself.
1/18/2010 01:14:00 AM
Spoken like a true ass hole with 6 years on the job that got promoted! You never were the police and now because your shitr is white your the POLICE! News flash that white shirt don't hide the yellow belly COWARD
"Statistically, the gun teams, especially Areas 1,2, and 4 bring in more guns than most districts. And that is with far less manpower."
Well seeing that they don't have answer calls, & their primary focus is guns, One would hope they bring in more guns,Dummy.
Statistically, they also bring in the highest numbers of one bag weed arrests & Juvy Reckless Conducts. That's some stellar Policework.
What? Gun teams disbanded? Area 1 and 2 Gun Teams are the ones doing most of the work on this stupid job
Are you serious? yeah, you are really making a dent doing all those search warrants on gun collectors and law-abiding citizens in 016. The Area 2 team is a joke. Back to a beat car with you beat-offs....
I love watching the gun terams walk around the area, they can barely acknowledge the presense of a beat copper, they think they so important, what a joke...
"The department knows that small "team concept" units of elite , aggressive, new breed officers.....willing to roll anywhere at a moments notice is the only thing that can work."
They won't roll to Domestics, CSA'S,Child Abuse or any other types of calls for service, because they're too damn stupid to think on their own& have not even a remote concept of Policework to begin with.
TO: 1/18/2010 12:53:00 AM
That hiring spree you talked about. I was in one of those. They ran us through the academy 9 hrs Monday thru Friday and 8 hrs on Saturday to have us ready for ChicagoFest. Hit the districts with 220+ hrs on the books. But it was a980, tho there may have been one also in 1981. And '82. There was a lot of hiring in those days. Even up to the mid 00's.
Hiring should be a (continous)process, not an (periodic) event.
The wheels have totally fallen off the bus. Chicago, the "City That Works" has broken down, thanks to Daley and thieving cabal.
No way the Commanders can do the W/C job and District Commander job.Hey Commander can you approve this arrest report ,Hey Commander can you ok this inventory,Hey Commander we have problems in Lockup.Hey Commander can you ok these slips etc etc
This department has crossed well over the divide. It is too late to bring it back. The main reason is look who is in charge from the top down, all playing bosses that have a better idea. It is a shame that Daily did this. Chicago is gone.
RIP Glen Bell, the founder of Taco Bell. I will eat a 7 layer burrito in your honor today.
011 district, mimdnights, 3 beat cars down, days, no rapids on a weekday, thrid watch, no rapids at all.
1/18/2010 10:17:00 AM
a little dyslexia ???? or a TUI -Typing under influence
Any chance of a hiring spree before the warm days of summer turn Chicago into a killing spree?
1/18/2010 12:53:00 AM
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I would double down on a killing spree over a hiring spree. Its a sure thing.
As an observer (ie. canine unit) these guys and gals are keeping the lockups busy. Getting bad guys and dope and guns are what they do and now they are penalized by some bull crap.
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And yet, there are still criminals out on the street.
I don't think there is going to be a whole lot of choice in the matter. You only have so many warm bodies, and you have to put them in the most important places first.
As a citizen, I would rather see more patrol cars on the streets. Get rid of all or most of the plainclothes and special units if you have to, but get warm bodies, in uniform, in patrol cars, out on the street.
Can anyone explain what this twit is saying here? I guess it is English, but...
Anonymous said...
The idea if Decentralizing is becoming closer and closer to reality. The shortage in manpower dictates such change in the near future as the hiring process is not moving at a pace that is parallel to the need.
We can assume that the change in responsibility to fill every possible void on the Districts' level will be on the shoulders of the Deputy Chief for each Area.
To satisfy such responsibility and organize communities' needs, the shift in ranks and the general domain responsibility for each title is not only necessary but a must. In doing so, the patrol officer will be ultimate pressure relief valve for all avenues taken.
The redundant responsibilies for the multiple units we know of is very apparent to all and need tuning to better benefit " the back bone of the Department: the patrol division".
Responsibilities of supervisors should flow from Area Level to satisfy the District's needs. The use of the Caps Lt. Should be expanded. The Firld Lt's also madates a Universal role.
Decentralizing is the way to go but let us not forget that safety are in numbers and being efficiency in controlling law enforcement operations never leads to safe environments.
Let alone and not counting the fact that outside and international terrorism is a big factor that big cities are not including in any decision makings.
The role of medical miracles is directly influencing planning and decision makings and unfortunately might lead to many safety fragmentations.
Keep up the good work, back each other up, stay observant, keep your knowledge on the increase of what goes on around you, locally and internationally.
Be safe and God Bless.
1/18/2010 01:36:00 AM
Anonymous said...
All of you on the job should be pushing for Weis to issue another written exam. It has been over THREE YEARS since the last one, and many experienced officers like myself would be willing to make the transition over to Chicago. It's embarrassing that neither city hall of the CPD cares about its rank and file.
1/18/2010 10:30:00 AM
Weis doesn't decide when the exams will be. Weis is just hired help.
Boy you blueshirts need to calm down and realize we're in this mess together. We're in the same boat, so you're happy ass better grab a paddle. Maybe if you got out of Starbuck's for part of the tour and generated some activity (Wow! What's that Boss?) then maybe the City would have enough revenue to hire more police! Then you could take the robber's mask off when you collect your paycheck for just answering 911 calls. Try doing some work in between calls for service, instead of trying to make sure you get your daily personal. Oh my God! I didn't take aa personal today, I fuct myself.
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I bet people are just lined waiting to work for you. yeah, great idea "boss" sand bag more people with disproportionately high fines. I'm sure as more and more working people flee the city, that'll solve all of our financial problems.
SIC SEMPER MORSIS (always has a bite) from The Loyal Order of Dinosaurs
"Anonymous said...
They'll disband patrol before they disband any teams. The department knows that small "team concept" units of elite , aggressive, new breed officers.....willing to roll anywhere at a moments notice is the only thing that can work.
All you dinosaur cops are just jealous.
1/18/2010 08:32:00 AM"
Jealous my ass...remember who it was that gave birth to you on this job, who wiped your nose, showed you the ropes, showed you how to stay alive and avoid the pitfalls.
Some of us with gray hair still have a bite! Elite--the only real elite is District Patrol because we handle anything and everything.
Stay safe. Jealous my ass!
Are you retards pretending to be on the job? Most D.C.'s spend the work day avoiding responsibility and kissing higher ranking ass. I am sure that they could find a moment or two to wander by the second watch and tell the guys shopping and sleeping to keep up the good work.
Anonymous said...
What? Gun teams disbanded? Area 1 and 2 Gun Teams are the ones doing most of the work on this stupid job. Yep. Stupid job. As an observer (ie. canine unit) these guys and gals are keeping the lockups busy. Getting bad guys and dope and guns are what they do and now they are penalized by some bull crap.
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Hahahahah, I hate to break it to you big guy, but the real work of this department has been done by, and always will be done by, the actual beat officers. I'm on a team as well, and sure it's an important form of support to the watches, but you gotta be kidding me with your overblown sense of importance!
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Area 5 Saturation comes in 2 hours late then calls the wagon for 7 kids standing on the corner "selling" then the whole team disappears. Wagon wont come up for them anymore. Meanwhile cloutless white officers are bouncing from call to call on the watch. I call Bullshit! Put these 2 year wonders back on the watch where they can learn policework
Breaking up these units is a start...you should also break up T.R.U. AND M.S.F....keep S.W.A.T...obviously we need them....but its a NO BRAINER....boots on the ground IN THE DISTRICTS....not get 1 head or 2 contact cards and then the rest of the day is bullshit then go home....BEEF UP GANG/TACT/RAPIDS IN DISTRICTS....PROBLEM SOLVEd
Wait, you must be on swat. Considering this department had no swat team up until 3 or 4 years ago, why is it so necessary to have one now. They could easily be downsized and no one would notice except the crybabies that work there and think they are the shit. And before you talk shit I used to work there and left.
Captains getting extra OT to pay off their pay-to-Play to Daley...
Anonymous said...
29 years ago in 1981 a very large group of recruits entered the training academy: January, April, May, and June. They all were done with their traning and detailed to Jane Byrne's Chicago fest at Navy Pier.
Fast forward to 2010: As the months tick by these KMA officers are likely to retire and further deplete the dwindling number of officers in district law enforcement.
Any chance of a hiring spree before the warm days of summer turn Chicago into a killing spree?
1/18/2010 12:53:00 AM
None at all.
Regarding the 4200 N Milwaukee Ave brawl on you-tube: Go to I-Clear, Search the arrests for 15Jan10, District 016. You will see 3 arrestees with the same last name. View each of their arrest reports and note the address of arrest (4200 N Milwaukee) All 3 are M/1's who don't live in 016. This also includes the M/1 victim . Some sort of RAP party at the Capitol Club that night which attracted that sort. Check out their mugshots. Hardcore bangers. Also have addresses in Markham. So no, not Europeans gone wild!
All of you on the job should be pushing for Weis to issue another written exam. It has been over THREE YEARS since the last one, and many experienced officers like myself would be willing to make the transition over to Chicago. It's embarrassing that neither city hall of the CPD cares about its rank and file.
1/18/2010 10:30:00 AM
TAKE ALL THE GOOD OVERTIME INSTEAD, YOU'LL BE HAPPIER. EVEN IF DALEY HIRES, 1/2 OR MORE WILL JUST END UP BEHIND DESKS IN A YEAR OR 2 ANYWAY...YOU'LL STILL BE SHORT HANDED, AND WITHOUT O.T. PAY.
Anonymous said...
OT: Can we trust filling that real estate rebate form from the city ?
Thanks men.
1/18/2010 01:04:00 AM
No. If you look at the tax increase scale on the paperwork, clearly the increase they gave us is not applicable to our salary. So we get no rebate. Check it for yourself.
Many of the District Commanders were never Watch Commanders. What a joke
Get rid of captains? Again? obviously a decision by someone who never ran a watch. And why would this be something that we'd want? The captain's spot should be career service again so that we can strive for it. The fire department battalion chief is still legit by testing (it's equivalent to police captain), the police captain be, too.
Masters, Masters, Masters.
Free Bill Cozzi.
hate to bust your bubble. as of now, all watches are full and plenty of tac teams in 015. 2nd watch even has 10-4 cars.
Anonymous said...
24 has all cars up and running. full staff on weekend on third watch and more during the week. we got it good.
WOW, REALLY? THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE TRAINING
DST SMARTY.
Well Smarty:
there aren't any ppo's on 2nd watch in 015, and between the 3rd & 1st watch there is maybe 5 or 6 PPO's TOPS
TRU and MSF should be the first to go, not the Saturation Team or Gun Teams. Those numbers going back will have no impact compared to those 2 Units. Then we would save money with 2 Commander positions. Neither one of them deserve to be Commander anyway. A Lt. could run those 2 units and Dugan, you know that!
Anonymous said...
Many of the District Commanders were never Watch Commanders. What a joke
1/18/2010 05:26:00 PM
Now thats a lie!
Boy you blueshirts need to calm down and realize we're in this mess together. We're in the same boat, so you're happy ass better grab a paddle. Maybe if you got out of Starbuck's for part of the tour and generated some activity (Wow! What's that Boss?) then maybe the City would have enough revenue to hire more police! Then you could take the robber's mask off when you collect your paycheck for just answering 911 calls. Try doing some work in between calls for service, instead of trying to make sure you get your daily personal. Oh my God! I didn't take aa personal today, I fuct myself.
Is this some kind of a joke? All the shit you are hearing about, and you post this? Ya real leadership "BOSS", If anyone has ever called you that in your life!...Calling us robbers? I don’t know what district you work out of but my guess is you have no clue what the hell is really going on out there...Oh and if you think your troops like your fat ass then your wrong about that 2! The only reason anyone even says hello to you or bothers to look your way at all, is so you don’t make their already hard job any harder ’BOSS”!
You say were in it together and in the breath tell us we are the reason theirs no police on the streets. The only paddle I would grab for you “BOSS” would be the one to knock you off the fucking boat with! If you think for second that the city would hire more police if we INCREASED ACTIVITY then you’re a bigger dumbass than even I can even imagine… Hey "BOSS" why don't you try answering a fucking call when we are in a backlog all fucking night "BOSS" Oh no can't do that! That would require you to leave star bucks as well...You are nothing short of a "Do as I say, Not as I do boss" Now you go home to your family and tell them how good of a job your doing!…You go home and tell your kids Daddies a hero! Tell your wife how much everyone loves you and how everyone wants to work for you!…You keep telling them that at home I don’t mind ok “BOSS” but here at work we both know the real deal so save that shit …Here’s a tip “BOSS” Try not to look the real men directly in the eyes because it insults us ok. Although I think a guy like yourself already knows that and has been practicing it for years. Take this post to heart because I am pretty sure that’s the way your Troops feel about you “BOSS”
assign specialized units to districts to man the beat cars
before someone gets hurt
tru , tact , gang , gun teams
long lunches , make a pinch and go home early that's the reason they bring in the numbers
district beat cars in a rap , denied lunch , 1 man cars , domestics , disturbances all day long , half hour lunch
THE WAGON A WAGON AND A BT CAR !THAT IS STUPID 25 TH DIST!THE WAGON IS THERE FOR VIOLENT PRISONERS,LARGE CROWDS,BAR FIGHTS,HOUSE PARTIES,VIOLENT MENTALS,MASS ARREST TRANSPORTS AND GENEAL TRANSPORTS!IT IS ALSO A SUPPORT VEHICLE!A WAGON ON SCENE OF A LARGE CROWD SAYS TIME TO GO!IT ALSO AVIOD THOSE DAMAGE TO VEHICLE REPORTS THE BOSSES LOVE SO MUCH AS WELL AS IOD REPORTS!IF THE WAGON IS DOWN ON AN ARREST OR A JOB THE CANT RESPOND TO A JOB THEY R NEEDED AND A COPPER GETS HURT!ALSO A WAGON CANNOT CHASE OR FOLLOW ITS AGAINST G.O!WAKE UP EVERY DIST AND EVERY WATCH NEEDS A WAGON UP2571!!
assign captains to 1st and 3rd watches and everyone of them over 50 will retire
are you paying attention
Back in the day, when I was in 015 ( KMA with about 90 days to go)there was a manpower shortage too.At the time there were 12 beats and at least one or two would be unfilled at any given time.The media( I think it was Channel 5) got a hold of it and asked Supt. Fried Rice why that was.Then the other channels and newspapers jumped on it too.Ol'Fred was starting to sweat for a while but then the MIRACLE happened.Rice stated at a news interview, when asked about manpower, that all beat cars were now manned.The media put smiles on their faces and thanked him, with nothing said after that.How did he perform this feat you ask? Simple...he ELIMINATED 3 beats in 015 alone and i don't know how many more citywide.I wonder now what other kind of tricks are going to be pulled to maintain the facade. Good luck to those who have to stay.
1/18/2010 10:57:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bring back ALL Detailed detectives to their CPD Unit, no more Federal Task Forces, etc.. Disband marine Unit, have the Fire Dept. handle it. Let Ill. dept. of Conservation Cops Patrol the lakefront waters,, with the Coast Guard.
Get rid of ALL CAPS related positions, it's a waste of CPD Manpower. Assign ALL PPO's to a Unit based out of the Academy that reports to what ever District needs help, based on priority. Get rid of ALL Merit-Clout-Appointed Dets/Investigators, back to Patrol Division, no loss...
1/18/2010 11:04:00 AM
Couldn't get into the Marine Unit huh.
Breaking up these units is a start...you should also break up T.R.U. AND M.S.F....keep S.W.A.T...obviously we need them....but its a NO BRAINER....boots on the ground IN THE DISTRICTS....not get 1 head or 2 contact cards and then the rest of the day is bullshit then go home....BEEF UP GANG/TACT/RAPIDS IN DISTRICTS....PROBLEM SOLVEd
Ok why not just train up tac in some SWAT tactics as in entries, flash and setting up a safe zone. Unless the current SWAT guys are so high speed low drag that no one but you can handle your pay load. I know if you had an active shooter most cops are going and they are going in after them.
Wait, you must be on swat. Considering this department had no swat team up until 3 or 4 years ago, why is it so necessary to have one now. They could easily be downsized and no one would notice except the crybabies that work there and think they are the shit. And before you talk shit I used to work there and left.
1/18/2010 05:02:00 PM
You mean kicked out!
new idea from think tank. rehire retired police from 50 years old to age 55 . they pay recruit pay and no insurance since they have it being retired . city gets more bodies experience and pay less
What Daley has done to the law-abiding citizens of Chicago is outrageous. His outright refusal to keep this city safe with enough police power is a crime in itself. It starts with the failure to even have an entry-level exam to keep an eligible pool of candidates ready to hire. What is going on in personnel? The civilian he put into that spot should be ashamed of herself for not getting this off the ground. Daley finds money for every one of his pet projects, i.e. Olympics, "After school matters", spearheaded by his wife, city planters, ETC., but he doesn't have the foresight to hire qualified police staff? The numbers of retirees will surely make it harder on the rest of the troops.
TAKE NOTE ALL YOU LIBERALS, when you call for the police for your emergency service, you will be lucky if someone shows up w/in the 1/2 hour. There will not be enough staff.
VOTE DALEY OUT NOW!!!!
DO NOT VOTE DEMOCRATE!!!
THEY ARE RUINING THE CITY!!!!
"Can anyone explain what this twit is saying here? I guess it is English, but...
1/18/2010 03:57:00 PM"
the quoted comment referred to:
"The idea if Decentralizing is becoming closer and closer to reality.......
1/18/2010 01:36:00 AM"
translation:
never, ever, ever mix Metamusil with 8-Ball, not even as a chaser.
Dugan can send out whatever he wants about removing some of the inside people and putting them back on the streets. Has he or his cronies ever gone to verify that these people are out? Has he stopped in 008 to see the watch secretaries are still there?? CAPS Office?? Yea right! Joker!
"RIP Glen Bell, the founder of Taco Bell. I will eat a 7 layer burrito in your honor today.
1/18/2010 03:23:00 PM"
thanks for the heads up.
Back in the day, when I was in 015 ( KMA with about 90 days to go)there was a manpower shortage too.At the time there were 12 beats and at least one or two would be unfilled at any given time.The media( I think it was Channel 5) got a hold of it and asked Supt. Fried Rice why that was.Then the other channels and newspapers jumped on it too.Ol'Fred was starting to sweat for a while but then the MIRACLE happened.Rice stated at a news interview, when asked about manpower, that all beat cars were now manned.The media put smiles on their faces and thanked him, with nothing said after that.How did he perform this feat you ask? Simple...he ELIMINATED 3 beats in 015 alone and i don't know how many more citywide.I wonder now what other kind of tricks are going to be pulled to maintain the facade. Good luck to those who have to stay.
That happened in the phillipeans too,john howard said their jail was overcrowded,they were told to come back soon and they had fixed the problem. 200 prisoners were executed, prob solved.
Gun, saturation, vice, msf, tru, gangs, ocd, and narcotics send all of their asses back to the districts problem solved.
No problem solved, within weeks they will turn into dogs because there is no incentive to work the watch.
A better solution is to start spreading these units out. TRU and MSF always have to cover 007,011, and up until last week 004, now 003. That's over 300 p/os for basically 3 districts, you can't tell me places like 8 or 10 couldn't use some help.
Way back when we had skip teams, which were basically rapids that focused on in progress calls and making arrests. Spread these units out to other places, for maybe a period at time instead of months and months at a time.
I cant speak for the other units, but I do see them on the streets responding to jobs, at least in area 1 and 2.
You also complain that these units make arrests and stay down, guess what its because your lock up keepers don't want to do work either.
But again I will reiterate we need to start working together, all this animosity has caused more problems than any loser clouted exempt.
Temporary Sgt's coming soon. W/C's will cover 2 Districts. Commanders will be replaced with life-size cardboard cutouts. Most everyone will be on foot patrol like the 1920's. Call your clout now to reserve your car. There won't be many.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Many of the District Commanders were never Watch Commanders. What a joke
1/18/2010 05:26:00 PM
what you talking bout, my girl penny has plenty of experience behind a desk, that why they calls her penny plenty, plenty of what ill never know, maybe clout and ego.
by the #'s:
if there were only one beat assigned to all districts
the sshanks only needs 25 one man cars, 25 cars, liars figure, figures lie.
RIP Glen Bell, the founder of Taco Bell. I will eat a 7 layer burrito in your honor today.
1/18/2010 03:23:00 PM
LOL!
24 has all cars up and running. full staff on weekend on third watch and more during the week. we got it good
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The department will never see a bid opening in 024 for the rest of the year. You are right. They are manned to the hilt and no one sane will bid out. The supervisors try to be your friend, not your boss. A lot of soft inside jobs too, if that is your thing. Never bid out of the North Pole, you will regret it.
"Anonymous said...
They'll disband patrol before they disband any teams. The department knows that small "team concept" units of elite , aggressive, new breed officers.....willing to roll anywhere at a moments notice is the only thing that can work.
All you dinosaur cops are just jealous.
1/18/2010 08:32:00 AM"
Jealous my ass...remember who it was that gave birth to you on this job, who wiped your nose, showed you the ropes, showed you how to stay alive and avoid the pitfalls.
Some of us with gray hair still have a bite! Elite--the only real elite is District Patrol because we handle anything and everything.
Stay safe. Jealous my ass!
1/18/2010 04:39:00 PM
Rent the movie, Colors. And then shut up.
I am deeply disturbed by the Stuttering Prick, the WEISel and CPD management for a myriad of reasons. They treat the thin--never thinner--blue line like cannon fodder. A guy like Rick Francis, working solo 10-99 goes down and the crocodile tears flow from City Hall.
All district patrol should ride as two officer units during the hours of darkness. Also, while the City is at it, end all this "duty availability" bullshit and give shift differential to these officers who actually work the mean dark streets. Skeptical? Cite me another big-city P.D. that doesn't have shift differential.
You want shift differential? Fine. Work the streets during the hours of darkness.
A bit of history. There were two watershed cases of murdered solo police officers that forced the City to make all 3rd and 1st watch cars roll as deuces. I knew both officers. Each was shot and killed on midnights while working 10-99:
**June 19, 1970--Kenny Kaner, 007, was parked and writing up a missing report at 74th and Union. A carload of bangers drove by and blew his head off with a sawed-off shotgun. He never had a chance.
**January 19, 1973--Bob Wenzel, Area 6 Traffic, pulled over an auto for a traffic violation at N/B 1800 N. LSD. The lone occupant shot and killed him.
With this utter depletion of manpower, I'm getting really bad vibes based on hard facts.
REMEMBER KENNY KANER and BOB WENZEL!
Hey little blue shirt who likes to bash the whiteshirt(s) on this blog....NOTICE I addressed the "One" single individual who started this conversation...NOT all of you....First of all...."IF" you had an ounce of brains in your skull you would realize that you don't have enough common sense to pay a parking meter pal.... I as a whiteshirt took a test and passed ON MY OWN...I don't have anyone to thank but me.....myself and I....Why don't you try it sometime (Taking a promotion test)...Oh....You'll say..."Fuck that they aren't fair" or "I ain't a suckass"...or some other intelligent epitaph...I know you are a superhero..(In your own little world) I know you have a "reputation" to uphold you WARRIOR and LEADER of ALL....You have probably been in many life and death situations....I am sure that you have numerous Lambert Tree awards on your shirt.....I know that you have been there and done it all!! I can tell....I have seen your kind before.....You know better than the rest and have done everything to the tone of "It's all bullshit kid".....Am I right?? You are just what I thought you are....A LAZY...BIG MOUTH....KNOW IT ALL.....DO NOTHING......Let me tell you something "Sport" I have walked in your shoes......but I hardly think you could shine mine.....I am the real police.....been the real police.....and always will be the real police......I will not stand by and watch my people go into battle alone...I walk right beside them.....I will never let my people get fucked by this department without giving my blood for them.....I will never let my people get hurt / injured.....I will never let my people get jammed up over without going to the wall for them....."IF" they are right......You my friend are a COWARD.....You my friend cast stones at me the "white shirt" as your enemy......You should be so privelaged to work with me...not for me.....as I am not better than you......unless you think you might be better than me.....as you say.....I am a police officer who unfortunately in this day wears a white shirt......a shitty job for anj individual who wears his heart on his sleeve.....I love what I do and love the officers who I work with......and for the ones with the ideas and opinions as yourself....do everyone a favor.....QUIT....We have a tough enough job to do...without you making it harder.
Send Mealer and Barnass out there, they both can fight crime together! They are both lost when it comes to police work. The only thing Barnass knows how to do is call everybody on the radio every 5 minutes. Mealer just sits in his office and bitches about being on the blog.
Only real problem will come when the fund runs out of money around 2022 or so.
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Knock nine years off that and you would be more accurate. You'll be walking in the street intersection with a cardboard sign in 2014
I hope they NEVER open up special at the airport again ~ all we kept getting were the useless & stupid officers that were afraid of the homeless, didn't know how to answer their radio, couldn't make out a case report and were afraid of an empty water bottle!
Hahahahah, I hate to break it to you big guy, but the real work of this department has been done by, and always will be done by, the actual beat officers. I'm on a team as well, and sure it's an important form of support to the watches, but you gotta be kidding me with your overblown sense of importance!
1/18/2010 10:38:00 AM
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Yes, The beat car that does nothing but has the old "Unavoidable Traffic Stop" every time the dispatcher calls.
Or maybe, sit you ass in the 7-11 for 45 minutes reading a magazine. When the dispatcher calls you suddenly go down on the "Personal".
Where would we be without those aggressive "Beat Cops"?
It is increasingly obvious that we are having to drive a little slower to each job lately in order the have any back-up with us. Remember the days when we were tripping all over each other?
Rumor has it that a PO(LTC in Army Resv) met with the White House COS over the weekend to talk about future plans for the city and the dept.
Manhy of the Gold Stars never lead troops in combat either So go and promote my HRI. He lead troops on Iraq
Dan Dugan is not stupid. Those people on gun, satutation, and some of those other teams will be back in the district. He may not like it but his hands are tied on this one. He can't justify keeping these people in those units when the districts are so short manpower and summer is on it's way.If someone get's hurt because of his lack of managerial decisions, heaven forbid.
This is the 21st century. Management must evolve. There is no need for Tact teams chasing the one baggers or the drinkers just to inflate the arrest numbers. This was a good idea 20 years ago, but guess what things change. Management needs to focus on terrorism and gang activity more then bs 1 rocks. If they are that concerned about the war on drugs they should have their teams work together and do long term investigations on closing down the tip, not just a 2 man car go out and chase a rock to fill the court key. Utilize the man power and shut the tip down and you eliminate the problem spot.
Sure I know some blue shirt is gonna bitch about not being able to fill the bs court key so they can make the ot, but this 1 rock shit is coming back to bite our asses. Financially we are getting sued because the Judges always find no PC on all this Bs 1 rock shit. Not to mention the blue shirt finds a nitch that they can exploit and it really solves nothing. They are off the street for a few hours and then they are done for the tour. They will get the ot for the no pc hearing and no one actually wins, even the blue shirt who gets the ot. The offender is out with in a week doing the same thing before he got caught with the rock. Also, our taxes go up in order to pay for the bs system we have in place right now. So, the court key ot actually means nothing in the long run.
Since we do not have the man power why not utilize the man power more efficient.
I remember years ago when I was new my partner and I were driving down a street known for prostitution. I suggested setting up surveilance and locking up 5 or 10 at a time. My partner who was an old timer said take it easy kid, lets not kill the job. That statement may have been true 20 years ago, but guess what the job died any way. We have to do more with less and we do not have the protection from the public or the management that we should have. So, why not just hit crime at the base of the problem. Not just 1 rock or 1 arrest at a time. If we know it is a drug tip, then set a team up and take down the dealer instead of the buyers.
If you see a street with 10 prostitutes on it, set up a team and lock all 10 of them up rather then just 1 for the bs number that solves nothing.
Its obvious we are not getting more man power any time soon, so lets use the manpower that we haver more effectivley.
I am sure the disbanded officers will be real productive placed in uniform
What do you consider productive ?
All we need are able bodies to respond to paper jobs and 10-1 whens needed. Its all about safety, as long as the do nothings show up when you really need them, who really cares if they make a bs arrest to pad the numbers.
People you all have to wake up and smell the coffee. The working hard charging police officer is dead and gone. The public, management and lawyers have made it next to impossible to do good old fashion police work. So, why not make it safer and easier on the patrol division by giving them the able bodies to respond to calls and do reports and respond to a 10-1 when needed.
These little special units have out lived there necessity. The special little secret units are not able to police in the 21st century climate, so eliminate them and replace the man power back to patrol.
Anonymous said...
Breaking up these units is a start...you should also break up T.R.U. AND M.S.F....keep S.W.A.T...obviously we need them....but its a NO BRAINER....boots on the ground IN THE DISTRICTS....not get 1 head or 2 contact cards and then the rest of the day is bullshit then go home....BEEF UP GANG/TACT/RAPIDS IN DISTRICTS....PROBLEM SOLVEd
Wait, you must be on swat. Considering this department had no swat team up until 3 or 4 years ago, why is it so necessary to have one now. They could easily be downsized and no one would notice except the crybabies that work there and think they are the shit. And before you talk shit I used to work there and left.
1/18/2010 05:02:00 PM
You left there? Apparently you couldn't make the cut. Regardless, before SWAT there was HBT which was the same thing, except their sole duty wasn't to just wait for a job. They had to make arrests from time to time. In today's time you need a full time SWAT team, so I agree with the previous poster... They are needed. They make life a whole lot easier with search warrants and crowd control. And NOOOO, I'm not on SWAT nor did I want to be, but I was in the old SOS and appreciate the job they did when they were asked.
How about all the people Dugan took care of?
The districts are extra short at this time of the year for one reason, seniority. All the young guns are on furlough now, wait till april you will see the numbers of officers on the street pick up. The watch that will be hurt the most will be 2nd come summertime.
With all this said, we are still way to short and could use a couple thousand more. It's funny how all these rumors start up this time of the year, and just fall off until next year.
Anonymous said...
new idea from think tank. rehire retired police from 50 years old to age 55 . they pay recruit pay and no insurance since they have it being retired . city gets more bodies experience and pay less
1/18/2010 06:14:00 PM
Hey "think tank" why did those guys retire then in the first place? Why would you retire from somewhere and then want to come back and work for 1/2 the money doing the same thing? I don't get it. How about you retire and go enjoy your life. Get out of this city and way the hell away from this police department.
9:56 PM
Chasing down hos??? Must be da REAL POleese.
I hope they NEVER open up special at the airport again ~ all we kept getting were the useless & stupid officers that were afraid of the homeless, didn't know how to answer their radio, couldn't make out a case report and were afraid of an empty water bottle!
I THOUGHT THATS WHY YOU WASTED YOUR "CLOUT WISH" TO GET ASSIGNED THERE! WHY DON'T YOU GO FIND BIN LADEN, HES THE ONE WITH THE EMPTY WATER BOTTLE YOU SMUCK!
All of you on the job should be pushing for Weis to issue another written exam. It has been over THREE YEARS since the last one, and many experienced officers like myself would be willing to make the transition over to Chicago. It's embarrassing that neither city hall of the CPD cares about its rank and file.
Sorry but even IF another test was given everyone who qualified from the previous exams would have to be hired. The 86 that were just hired are off of the 2006 exam, and there is no money to hire anymore in 2010, I REPEAT NO MONEY FOR HIRING IN 2010. The only reason the 86 was hired is because we received federal funds to hire them.
Im a November 06 tester. From what I understand everything is still moving with my list. I am a bit dishearted in seeing sixty million dollars being committed to people in the ghetto to watch the schools, while only thirteen million was given to the police to hire. Im hanging in there and am ready for my phone to ring.
Dont hold your breath there will not be any additional officers hired in 2010. The last 86 were only hired because we received federal funds.
Basically, there are way too many "Units" on the CPD. It was great when we had the manpower, but let's face it, districts need bodies and if they don't arrive soon, P.O.'s are going to get hurt.
Make a decision Dugan, and make it soon.
Anonymous said...
24 has all cars up and running. full staff on weekend on third watch and more during the week. we got it good
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The department will never see a bid opening in 024 for the rest of the year. You are right. They are manned to the hilt and no one sane will bid out. The supervisors try to be your friend, not your boss. A lot of soft inside jobs too, if that is your thing. Never bid out of the North Pole, you will regret it.
1/18/2010 08:14:00 PM
Recently, a family member of mine went into 024 to make a report. The blatant rudeness he described when he approached the desk still has me steaming. (To the P.O. who eventually took the report, thank you for your professionalism). The female who stood back and shouted "can I help you?" instead of approaching the counter must have been brought up in a barn. She then turned and began a conversation with a co-worker when my relative began to respond to her question. I know this type of rudeness happens all the time because I've seen shades of it in my own district, and also in my travels. So I don't doubt the veracity of my relative's account.
Sorry, don't know why I rambled OT...
Get rid of MSF and the SWAT team. We don't need them. Waste of Money and resources. If you have a barricaded gunman the district could handle it and we don't need to wear green uniforms to do it. We have assault rifles so there is no need for a SWAT team now.
In regards to the shorting of Captains, wouldn't that become the responsibiltiy of the other on-duty Lt. There are currently at least 2 Lt's and a Capt. per watch. When you've got furloughs there might haveto be subs from other districts or units.
Shortshanks is trying to shortsheet the department because it does not put any money into the pockets of his friends.
Soon, Almost NO Detectives, anyone remember Auto Theft
Maybe NO District Patrol, just a bunch of armed clerks who pull ou of a few, and fewer stations, no specific beat, just told to stay within a geographic area given to them on there PDT that can change every day.
No REAL Supervision and No REAL Chance for Advancement.
Recruitment Not from Colleges and the Military but from ACORN.
We need to get our city, our county, our state and our country back. Register and Vote.
RIP Glen Bell, the founder of Taco Bell. I will eat a 7 layer burrito in your honor today.
1/18/2010 03:23:00 PM
LOL!
1/18/2010 08:11:00 PM
Later I will take a 7 Layer Personal in the Mayors Honor.
I will need a case of Charmin and an enviormental impact statement.
I am a police officer who unfortunately in this day wears a white shirt......a shitty job for anj individual who wears his heart on his sleeve.....I love what I do and love the officers who I work with......and for the ones with the ideas and opinions as yourself....do everyone a favor.....QUIT....We have a tough enough job to do...without you making it harder.
1/18/2010 08:39:00 PM
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Wow. Where to begin?
1) Let's start with the obvious, you're a meglomaniac. Seriously, if your troops "loved" half as much as you thought, they would be sure you got the help you so desperatley need.
2) Second. What's with the Battle of Normandy speech? You talk as though you are living "We were soldiers". Let me clue you in on something, YOUR OFFICERS ARE NOT YOUR KIDS! You're probly the kind of guy who assumes your guys say a special prayer at night for "Sarge" holding down the fort. My guess would be, you're wrong. If you were so confidant in your own "leadership", you wouldve posted your name to your little tantrum. Of course you wouldn't, because you never know who's looking ,right? Now remind me again, which one of us is the coward? Oh, and as far as backing me up everytime I'm 100% right- thanks hero! Gee, I feel as though Iv'e heard those company lines somewhere before.
3) Third, and by far and away my favorite, is this little gem.
"First of all...."IF" you had an ounce of brains in your skull you would realize that you don't have enough common sense to pay a parking meter pal"
Do you have a learning disability? Who taught you to talk like that? It sounds like some bad line from The Breakfast Club or something. And since when do we "pay" anything with common sense. You should probly have your wife proofread your posts in the future, to save yourself any embarresment. Either that, or have your little girl write them for you. Anything would be better than this.
4) What's with all of the "....."? Is that supposed to be dramatical pause? I didn't know one could develop a stutter while typing. I guess we learn something new every day. For you, you learned that "you"(as you've always feared) ,are indeed a moron. And I learned that if we can teach a polar bear to ride a uni-cycle, then we can teach a goofball like you to pass a promotional test. Which, by the way, does not mean you are Sherlock-fucking-Holmes.
5) "You should be so privelaged to work with me...not for me.....as I am not better than you......unless you think you might be better than me.....as you say.....I am a police officer who unfortunately in this day wears a white shirt......a shitty job for anj individual who wears his heart on his sleeve".
While my heart bleeds for "anj", this sentance, (and I use the term "sentance" in the loosest possible terms) sounds like it was written on the wall at the bullpen in county. Seriously, what was the highest grade of education you finished? When you got your promotion, did you "sign" your name; or make your "mark" like a chimp. Again a monkey slapping the keyboard with his bananna, would have a good at making more sense than you.
6)I could go on all day berating this dipshit, but I'll wrap this up. In summary, fuck you. Stick those stripes up your ass, and enroll yourself in the Sylvan Leaning center.
"Or maybe, sit you ass in the 7-11 for 45 minutes reading a magazine. When the dispatcher calls you suddenly go down on the "Personal".
Where would we be without those aggressive "Beat Cops"?
DO US ALL A FAVOR A-HOLE SPOUT THAT LINE OF B.S.TO RICK FRANCIS'S FAMILY, I'M SURE THEY'LL APPRECIATE IT"
This is the 21st century. Management must evolve. There is no need for Tact teams chasing the one baggers or the drinkers just to inflate the arrest numbers. This was a good idea 20 years ago, but guess what things change. Management needs to focus on terrorism and gang activity more then bs 1 rocks. If they are that concerned about the war on drugs they should have their teams work together and do long term investigations on closing down the tip, not just a 2 man car go out and chase a rock to fill the court key. Utilize the man power and shut the tip down and you eliminate the problem spot.
You are a tool. Yeah instead of getting the one rock let's get prostitutes that'll stop all crime. Why don't you and butt Dart get on Craigs list. You must be a clout supervisor. The problem lies with the bullshit city not hiring. I think it's time to march on city hall again
What? Gun teams disbanded? Area 1 and 2 Gun Teams are the ones doing most of the work on this stupid job. Yep. Stupid job. As an observer (ie. canine unit) these guys and gals are keeping the lockups busy. Getting bad guys and dope and guns are what they do and now they are penalized by some bull crap. You have units or teams doing what they are supposed to do and then wipe them out?
BLAA BLAA BLAA
Shame on them for doing anything for this ungrateful,never been a policeman,cant wait to fire you, asshat of a superintendent!!!
Good riddance to the Area 5 dope I mean Gun team.
Manhy of the Gold Stars never lead troops in combat either So go and promote my HRI. He lead troops on Iraq
1/18/2010 09:53:00 PM
What the fuck is a HRI? Are you still in the Academy retard. Shut up and suck.
Finally a good idea, getting rid of the Saturation Teams and Gun Teams. I'm sure TRU is next. I don't see anything happening with TACT teams other than having them take jobs.
1/18/2010 12:20:00 AM
Guess the midnight tact teams will survive again. I love it. We don't need that 4/2 crap hahahahah
You are soft as puppy shit. The A/3 GEU hasn't locked up an honest-t-god gangbanger in months. Nice group of tough-looking clout babies....constantly calling for cars to bang out reports for on-view crashs. Seriously...if you can't throw a couple of report books in your tactical cars don't call for us to do it. You just sound like the privileged douche bag we all knew you were.
1/18/2010 01:57:00 PM
Holy fuck your dumb. Do you think the accident just goes away??? Your going to get the job regardless asshole. Stop being such a fucking turd and do what your supposed to do. Your just pissed because you can't go down on a personal like you always do when YOU on view an accident on your beat.
"They'll disband patrol before they disband any teams. The department knows that small "team concept" units of elite , aggressive, new breed officers.....willing to roll anywhere at a moments notice is the only thing that can work.
All you dinosaur cops are just jealous."
You were kidding, right? Patrol is the backbone of any police department. Uniformed officers are the most visible arm of government. Someone's got to answer the #1 parkers, the domestics, the burglaries, the suspicious autos and all the rest of the calls that none of the "super cops" want to take. Thank God there are men and women willing to do this, day in, day out. The sooner the department realizes that all other units are here to SUPPORT PATROL, the sooner we'll have a more effective response to the animals that are taking over the city. Sure, specialized units such as MSF and TRU have their place, but patrol is the basic building block of law enforcement.
I'm no longer in patrol, but have been around long enough to realize this basic tenet.
"Maybe if you got out of Starbuck's for part of the tour and generated some activity (Wow! What's that Boss?) then maybe the City would have enough revenue to hire more police! Then you could take the robber's mask off when you collect your paycheck for just answering 911 calls."
Ohhhh...I've been doing this all wrong for the last 25 years! My job is to produce revenue? Here I thought it had something to do with actually doing some good (Yes, really! Even after 25 years), not just producing revenue.
In this climate? With bosses we can't trust? (Did we ever see the results of the "Stress and Morale Survey"?) With an administration unwilling to back us up? No fucking way. And yes, I did my share of work and in looking back at the years, plenty of stupid things in the past that these days would place me in jeopardy of losing it all. The basic difference? Bosses who would back you up. Bosses that realized that loyalty is a two-way street. Bosses that wouldn't ask you to do anything that they themselves wouldn't do. Not anymore. Not for these clowns.
Bosses like this are few and far between:
".....I am the real police.....been the real police.....and always will be the real police......I will not stand by and watch my people go into battle alone...I walk right beside them.....I will never let my people get fucked by this department without giving my blood for them.....I will never let my people get hurt / injured.....I will never let my people get jammed up over without going to the wall for them.....'IF' they are right......"
But it's got to be more than "'IF' they are right" You've got to back them even if they were wrong - so long as they were within the scope of their training. Mistakes of the heart v. mistakes of the head.
"...we have to stick together and stop the finger pointing. He (Daley) is the problem not us!!"
"This department has crossed well over the divide. It is too late to bring it back. The main reason is look who is in charge from the top down, all playing bosses that have a better idea. It is a shame that Daily did this. Chicago is gone."
"What Daley has done to the law-abiding citizens of Chicago is outrageous. His outright refusal to keep this city safe with enough police power is a crime in itself."
"we need to start working together, all this animosity has caused more problems than any loser clouted exempt."
"I am deeply disturbed by the Stuttering Prick, the WEISel and CPD management for a myriad of reasons. They treat the thin--never thinner--blue line like cannon fodder. A guy like Rick Francis, working solo 10-99 goes down and the crocodile tears flow from City Hall.
All district patrol should ride as two officer units during the hours of darkness. Also, while the City is at it, end all this "duty availability" bullshit and give shift differential to these officers who actually work the mean dark streets. Skeptical? Cite me another big-city P.D. that doesn't have shift differential."
Amen, brothers.
"assign specialized units to districts to man the beat cars before someone gets hurt"
Don't get youself hurt. Wait for back-up. Don't put yourself in a position to get killed. No one on this job who's given his/her life thought "Today's the day I'm going to die" when they gave the ultimate sacrifice. This job can be dangerous enough. Every day you go to roll call you may never see one of those people ever again. It can happen to you, too. Be smart. Be safe.
At the end of the day, YOU are the one responsible for getting yourself home safely.
"I think even HE (J-Fed) is tired of his own numbers fudging mismanagement. He has been reduced to telling incredible lies on TV,torpedoing his own department and then now realizing that he has to go down with the ship."
I'll believe this when he take some action to bring these wrongs to light or better yet, fix them.
Otherwise, he's as much to blame as the rest of them.
SIC SEMPER MORSIS (always has a bite) from The Loyal Order of Dinosaurs
"Anonymous said...
They'll disband patrol before they disband any teams. The department knows that small "team concept" units of elite , aggressive, new breed officers.....willing to roll anywhere at a moments notice is the only thing that can work.
All you dinosaur cops are just jealous.
1/18/2010 08:32:00 AM"
Jealous my ass...remember who it was that gave birth to you on this job, who wiped your nose, showed you the ropes, showed you how to stay alive and avoid the pitfalls.
Some of us with gray hair still have a bite! Elite--the only real elite is District Patrol because we handle anything and everything.
Stay safe. Jealous my ass!
1/18/2010 04:39:00 PM
"If you see a street with 10 prostitutes on it, set up a team and lock all 10 of them up rather then just 1 for the bs number that solves nothing.
Its obvious we are not getting more man power any time soon, so lets use the manpower that we haver more effectivley.
1/18/2010 09:56:00 PM"
This reminds me of the story of the old bull and the young bull on a hilltop watching a heard of heffers.
The young bull says, "Let's run down there and get us a couple."
The old bull says, "No, let's stroll down there and get'em all."
Stay Safe, it's all bull
Hahahahah, I hate to break it to you big guy, but the real work of this department has been done by, and always will be done by, the actual beat officers. I'm on a team as well, and sure it's an important form of support to the watches, but you gotta be kidding me with your overblown sense of importance!
1/18/2010 10:38:00 AM
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Yes, The beat car that does nothing but has the old "Unavoidable Traffic Stop" every time the dispatcher calls.
Or maybe, sit you ass in the 7-11 for 45 minutes reading a magazine. When the dispatcher calls you suddenly go down on the "Personal".
Where would we be without those aggressive "Beat Cops"?
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Unlike those TRU units who sit around on 35th St. for a couple of hours before going on their two hour lunch break and then the whole team goes down on a DOPW arrest. When's the last time one of those Officers actually worked a full 10 hours? When is the last time they worked 99? You get to pick and choose what you feel like doing, along with your partner. Remember what it was like to work 99 and have BS job after BS job all night long? Obviously you don't.
If you see a street with 10 prostitutes on it, set up a team and lock all 10 of them up rather then just 1 for the bs number that solves nothing.
Good idea. LaSalle/Washington and 35th/Michigan are prime locations to set this visionary plan in motion.
I am sure the disbanded officers will be real productive placed in uniform
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Exactly, if I can't where my Lucky jeans then I'm not doing this job! I've watched The Wire, CSI, Miami Vice and not one of the cool guys on those shows wore a uniform. Damn it! I'm a cool guy and the bosses need to recognize! Send me back to patrol and I swear I'll take my ball and go home! The Ultimate Tactical Warrior knows what I'm talking about!
yea ok...and what exactly keeps them so busy that they cant approve arrest reports?
What? Gun teams disbanded? Area 1 and 2 Gun Teams are the ones doing most of the work on this stupid job. Yep. Stupid job. As an observer (ie. canine unit) these guys and gals are keeping the lockups busy. Getting bad guys and dope and guns are what they do and now they are penalize....................................................................they dont need coppers makin arrests, they need coppers that answer jobs and report takers
Rumor has it that a PO(LTC in Army Resv) met with the White House COS over the weekend to talk about future plans for the city and the dept.
Take it easy BG! We respect the time and effort you put in the military but your still an idiot on this job!
There is no need for Tact teams chasing the one baggers or the drinkers just to inflate the arrest numbers. This was a good idea 20 years ago, but guess what things change. Management needs to focus on terrorism and gang activity more then bs 1 rocks. If they are that concerned about the war on drugs they should have their teams work together and do long term investigations on closing down the tip, not just a 2 man car go out and chase a rock to fill the court key.
UM hm, and how does gangs make their money and buy their guns ?
By selling one rock/one weed bags
And what do you do when you find a one bagger-dump the dope and let the offender go and risk a CR number and/or an official misconduct charge?
Don't buy it call IAD. Until you decriminalize it or RWOC per the ASA or WC, you risk getting jammed up for real.
And don't make me laugh about tact teams or beat officers focusing on terrorism or high level gang activity.Most of them avoid TARA or any other kind of terrorism training, while others don't know about gangs in their district let alone high level gang stuff. Stop dreaming.
Anonymous said...
Who ever thinks the Commander can be the second watch watch commander and still do his/her regular job obviously has never sat in either chair... there is NO WAY ...
1/18/2010 12:06:00 AM
Most of what the WC does is shoot the shit with everyone else, who are you bullshitting? And commanders, jesus, give a WC commander's pay and maybe an hour of OT a day and watch both jobs get done.
Or just tell them do the work or take a fucking hike.
Before the CPD I had a job. A real job. One where I had to produce. Unlike most BS Captains I remember what it is to work and these WC's and DC's do not strain themselves.
If it is too tough for them they can always go back to the private sector and we can scour the earth in search of someone who can get the fucking job done.
These fucking command staff fucks actually think that what they do is difficult and that only they can do it. They are full of shit.
Jealous my ass...remember who it was that gave birth to you on this job, who wiped your nose, showed you the ropes, showed you how to stay alive and avoid the pitfalls.
Some of us with gray hair still have a bite! Elite--the only real elite is District Patrol because we handle anything and everything.
Stay safe. Jealous my ass!
1/18/2010 04:39:00 PM
get over yourself old man, this is the chicago plice department not the middle east.
Anonymous said...
Dan Dugan is not stupid. Those people on gun, satutation, and some of those other teams will be back in the district. He may not like it but his hands are tied on this one. He can't justify keeping these people in those units when the districts are so short manpower and summer is on it's way.If someone get's hurt because of his lack of managerial decisions, heaven forbid.
1/18/2010 09:56:00 PM
This moron was informed of the evolving issues when Bea Cuello was on her way out. He still allowed all of the people out of patrol from the Gang Teams to go to BIS and allowed even more to be taken to refule MSF and TRU. I see he made sure they had enough supervisors. His is an incompetent idiot and we all know it! He is now trying to cover his own ass. The manpwer issue did not just fall from the sky Dorothy!
SF and TRU are going no where. The city is spending 200,000 on the old 7th District for TRU. And a montha fter thier move Ryan will be a Deputy.
Fellow Brothers and Sisters in Blue. There have been some good common sense ideas brought up. There have been some really silly comments trying to defend some cushy spots.
Remember this, spots will not be eliminated if a boss is involved. They may take a few PO's away but the cushy boss spot will remain.
I have heard Weiss (yes he is an asshole) had some good ideas about combining units. He was shot down from the 5th floor after his own command staff cried to their Chinaman. The bosses only care about themselves and don't you forget it.
Why do we have a Narcotics, Vice, and Asset Forfeiture units??? Throw in the Gun Teams while your at it. Those units and teams could be combined under 1 Commander (yes that would be a huge unit but about the same size in manpower as 018. There not answering jobs so the boss doesn't have to answer to the citizens). I work in one of those units so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. That combo would eliminate a commanders spot and more than a few office do nothings.
Just dump the sat teams. There are a few hard chargers but not many. Those that have put up numbers can be given a spot on TRU or MSF. While your at it dump TRU (take the best of TRU and MSF to make one unit). Change MSF to SOS and put all your specialized teams (SWAT and so on and so forth) with them. The bosses should be doing more work. Not losing PO's and using that as an excuse why their numbers are down.
Anonymous said...
Many of the District Commanders were never Watch Commanders. What a joke
1/18/2010 05:26:00 PM
Now thats a lie!
1/18/2010 05:47:00 PM
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You're right. It should MOST of the DCs have never been W/Cs. The new ones were promoted from specialized units or only spent a day in patrol. Neither has any of the star exempts spent time as watch cmdrs. Thats why they are scared to get demoted and kiss so much ass.
Hahahahah, I hate to break it to you big guy, but the real work of this department has been done by, and always will be done by, the actual beat officers. I'm on a team as well, and sure it's an important form of support to the watches, but you gotta be kidding me with your overblown sense of importance!
1/18/2010 10:38:00 AM
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Yes, The beat car that does nothing but has the old "Unavoidable Traffic Stop" every time the dispatcher calls.
Or maybe, sit you ass in the 7-11 for 45 minutes reading a magazine. When the dispatcher calls you suddenly go down on the "Personal".
Where would we be without those aggressive "Beat Cops"?
1/18/2010 09:12:00 PM
Nice to see that you hard charger tact guy with 3 yrs on the job bash a fellow PO. Go get your one head while the police in that beat car handle the rest of the city.
Its obvious we are not getting more man power any time soon, so lets use the manpower that we haver more effectivley.
1/18/2010 09:56:00 PM
Hey genius, you write like a 1st grader.
But, when they are yelling, "Rocks and blow!" in front of your house, please understand that the bosses read your nonsensical diatribe and have decided to assign me to a long term investigation aimed at bringing down the dealers. I'll get back to you in a few years with the results.
And, when your old-timer partner was giving you advice about wrangling 10 prostitutes at a time, he was looking out for your safety. Ever try it? It is like herding cats. Plus, look at all the examples of police officers being killed while trying handle one person, much more 10 hookers. Your partner should have added "or ourselves" to "Let's not kill the job."
Also, you and your wonderous management principles and ideas are a startling look at how our younger generation of sworn, and the older foolish civilians now running the department, see no value in the experiences of the ones that have gone before them.
It is a foolish, incomprehensible, sad, and tragic (FIST) approach, and will be forever known as the management style of the FIST Management team composed of duh mare shortshanks, Masters, O'Keefe and J-FED, beacuse they so love to fist each other, and, in turn, fist us.
The days are over, or should be, of frequent random stops just to search people for a few bags or a gun. Most of these cases are tossed anyway and they do little to control crime, just result in law suits and complaints.Tact teams need to work crime patterns and stop the BS head count.
For all of those still working in 17 who do not like Mealer, bring back the old commander CD. Those were good times!!
"The real work gets done by the Beat Officer" you can't have it both ways on this blog. The majority of the bloggers say "just answer your calls" "don't give them them anything" But now your saying the Beat officer does and always has done all the work. What are you smokin! You're telling us that Beat officers in 22,16,001,017,018,001,020,021,and 012 do more work than Gun Team officers. Lets get real folks!
Anonymous said...
Dont believe that the commander cant do both jobs. For years the 2nd watch commander has acted as the District Commander and 2nd watch commander when the District Commander was on furlo or medical
1/18/2010 11:05:00
Guess again dipwad, A Capt, usually the 2nd Watch Capt but not always, filled in for DC furlos as an Acting DC. At the same time a Lieutenant filled in as the WC on whatever watch the Capt was from. Some DC's had a favorite Capt, some used seniority and some, God bless em, always used the midnight Capt, in order to give him a break from midnights.
1/19/2010 06:11:00 AM
YOU have no idea what you are talking about, and what YOU say is the most BS
Bottom line--We need more Police. WHo cares where they come from
Biggest douch bags on this job are in the units. Very few are not clout babies or dont have daddy as a big boss. Any other dept and they wouldnt qualify to fucking wash the squad cars. So to all of you strokes talking shit about the beat coppers, get fucked. you wouldnt be shit without your daddy. you would be the same guys that wouldnt ride on a job to back someone up, keep hiding in your cool units big boys
In regards to the shorting of Captains, wouldn't that become the responsibiltiy of the other on-duty Lt. There are currently at least 2 Lt's and a Capt. per watch. When you've got furloughs there might haveto be subs from other districts or units.
Where do you work, with a Captain and 2 Lieutenants per watch? Must be nice!!!
"What are you smokin! You're telling us that Beat officers in 22,16,001,017,018,001,020,021,and 012 do more work than Gun Team officers. Lets get real folks!"
I'LL GET VERY REAL & GO SO FAR AS TO SAY YOUR HARDEST DAY IS THEIR EASIEST DAY. THAT REAL ENOUGH FOR YOU? OR YOU WANT SOME FACE TIME IN YOUR GUN TEAM HOVEL TO SET THINGS STRAIGHT? TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who ever thinks the Commander can be the second watch watch commander and still do his/her regular job obviously has never sat in either chair... there is NO WAY
If they expect the desk to be manned by 1 P.O. then...IT CAN BE DONE...and for the salary they make, it should be done.
You're telling us that Beat officers in 22,16,001,017,018,001,020,021,and 012 do more work than Gun Team officers. Lets get real folks!
1/19/2010 09:41:00 AM
"Squad, this arrest situation that I on-viewed/created (choose one) is not a felony and I'm already late to my 4 hour lunch. Could you assign a beat car to handle the paper?"
"Hahahahah, I hate to break it to you big guy, but the real work of this department has been done by, and always will be done by, the actual beat officers. I'm on a team as well, and sure it's an important form of support to the watches, but you gotta be kidding me with your overblown sense of importance!"
AMEN brother! A rather large percentage of these "hard chargers" took these spots with 2 years on and have no idea how to handle simple jobs. They walk around like around like they are better then us beat car guys. They just don't realize we are the smart ones- The City, Mayor and J-Pud will hang your ass out to dry! Wake up!
Who ever thinks the Commander can be the second watch watch commander and still do his/her regular job obviously has never sat in either chair... there is NO WAY ...
Let’s see, I think it goes something like this: These are trying times men, and we need everyone to step up and take on more responsibility so that we can get through this difficult situation. You're all police officers and we know that you can toughen up and work through this, whatever it takes. Men are judged by their performance in difficult times not when things are going well and easy.
Does that sound familiar commander? Have you made similar bullshit speeches to the troops in hope of inspiring them to go out there and do the job even though they are undermanned, under armed and underpaid? Hahahaha.
If a multiple merit promoted political hack like you can't lend a hand when the city and department need it most, why should we?
Too bad they can't teach leadership at the academy or Lewis University.
To beaf up district manpower, the city needs to do the following;
1. Say goodbye to TRU and put them back into the districts. The equiptment and cars they have are despirately needed by district (patrol division) personnel.
2. Put all tact team into uniform and back to watches until manpower is restored.
"But, when they are yelling, "Rocks and blow!" in front of your house, please understand that the bosses read your nonsensical diatribe and have decided to assign me to a long term investigation aimed at bringing down the dealers. I'll get back to you in a few years with the results."
As a business man with no stake in the surrounding community, I thank you for your half-assed long-term efforts in shutting down my profitable criminal enterprise. Keep up the non-work.
It came to a severe shortage for the department to realize inside full duty officers belong on the street. Now they need to get the inside non-duty limited officers out too. The ones that have had a doctors note for up to 20 years!
The traffic unit known as "T3" is a goner. The commanding officer is aware of the upcoming change s he too, is a goner. LSD traffic enforcement will report to 1st district.
Im a November 06 tester. From what I understand everything is still moving with my list. I am a bit dishearted in seeing sixty million dollars being committed to people in the ghetto to watch the schools, while only thirteen million was given to the police to hire. Im hanging in there and am ready for my phone to ring.
Get a differnet job with a different department. you will be better off in the long run.
"Area 5 Saturation comes in 2 hours late then calls the wagon for 7 kids standing on the corner "selling" then the whole team disappears"
I call BS on this comment. I've been on a lot of these guys jobs and they all are very stand up young police officers. They may be 2, 5, 8 and plus year wonders but they're hungry and work those streets. If I'm not mistaken these guys gun pinch numbers are more than that of the area 5, 1 and 2 gun teams. maybe even all of them put together. So stop whining and give these guys their respect.
All you tac and saturation idiots WAKE UP!! If you make one mistake even a minor one, jody the weisel WILL try to fire you, make no mistake about it. This weisel has hurt more police families than any one person in the history of OUR department. And one more thing, Dan Dugan WILL sign off to terminate you too. He is a mommas boy with no children, and does not care about yours.
The Marine Unit has 45 guys sitting around like firemen, half of them could hit the streets now till the boating season starts. Whats wrong with their ADS?
dulay was a good commander--- not in 017 he wasn't... remember him calling in a traffic car to write up a squad car parked on a hydrant in front of the station--- and it was a sgts car to--- he had a bad code brown and barely made it in and the good commander had him written.... the sgt had to pay the ticket and this sgt would have dotted both of dulay's eyes if he would have gotten the chance.....
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