Saturday, February 13, 2010

Range Rumor

Anyone from the Training Division care to elaborate?
  • Heard that the range is going to be about 1.2 million rounds short on ammo this year.
    Seems that the city decided that we could do with less.
    The academy range put 1.5 million rounds of ammo in the annual budget(same as they have for the past several years).
    City Hall decided to cut that down to 300,000 rounds of ammo!
    Good luck qualifying in 2010!
300,000 divided by 10,000 sworn = 30 rounds per cop. Sounds like just enough to qualify everyone if we all do it on the first try!

Have they rescinded the 100 free training rounds order? And what are the 86 recruits going to fire for State qualifying? We seem to recall putting about 1,000 rounds through the gun during training - has that fallen by the wayside?

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125 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tried getting my 100 rounds for 2010 but was told by range personnel that I am S.O.L.

2/13/2010 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, hell; it isn't politically correct to even DRAW your gun, so why worry about firing it accurately?

God, help us. Please.

2/13/2010 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic but needs to be said more often, and needs to be heard even more. We really need to stick together and look out for each other. I see so much crap talking it makes me sick. Most people don't appreciate us, so lets realize a little more that we are all in this together.

2/13/2010 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

QUALIFYING IS DOWN TIME!!WE DONT HAVE THE MANPOWER 2 LEAVE THE DISTRICTS!WE WILL NOW QUALIFY BI-ANNUALLY!RANGE IT ON YOUR OWN!!ITS YOUR LIFE!!!

2/13/2010 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will be a 10 round course, you need a 7 to qualify!

Shoot SLOW and make them count!

2/13/2010 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ammunition! When did we start using that? I've been putting water in my pistol for years.

2/13/2010 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets all flunk the first round qualifier and burn up all the ammo.

Lesson to the hair gel crowd. If you can shoot a perfect score, don't.

When you qualify you want to shoot just good enough, mediocre.

If and when you are in Federal court for a potentially questionable shooting you have grounds to stand on. If you are an ace shooter, you don't.

This applies to questionable shootings that are directly related to marksmanship and not circumstance.

Practice,practice, practice but never shoot better than you
have to when qualifying.

2/13/2010 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't worry. I've started to practice taking out targets with throwing knives. When those run out, I'll switch to my backup weaponry known as the blowdart gun. Pffft! What was that? That was my poisoned dart embedding itself in your neck, scum!

Who needs a handgun with bullets? Not me! That would be silly, just silly. Thank you Mayor Daley for allowing me to expand my repertoire of self-defense skills.

2/13/2010 01:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no bullets for the police but mega bucks wasted on olympic dream and the new runway project at ohare... in the mean time the city is hammering the working stiff to death with fee increases in all areas--- no wonder only 25 percent of the voting public cast a ballot at the primary--- many businesses reporting 2009 was the worst in past thirty years---

2/13/2010 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's shorty's way of telling us we shoot too much !

"dem Police guys are makin' dem reverends mad at me ! I go all over da place, I don't got no gun ! I don't like guns, dey hurt people !!! I want dem police guys to be like Barney Fife dat used to was on dat TV show.
Da Sheriff gave barney one bullet to keep in his shirt pocket just in case. He got along just fine.
Sheriff Andy was just like me, he didn't have a gun either. We know how to talk to people.

2/13/2010 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is so hard to believe about the city and current administration cutting corners in the effort to cut costs, which will only cost more in the long run?

2/13/2010 02:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the best time to go and shoot on your own? Either at the academy or any area?

2/13/2010 03:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only unit getting extra ammo is the Mobile Strike Farce.
they get 450,000 rounds @ the cost of a cool 1 million smackers. They need it to ride around and do nothing while we suffer in the districts, ya it is fair

2/13/2010 03:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the clout heavy like Unit secretaries etc dont really have to shoot

They just mark themselves as attended and passed

The make-up classes will use their unused rounds

2/13/2010 03:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

True. Don't know the eventual # of rounds that we won't have, but the ammo budget was cut by about $500,000. Right from O'Keefe.

2/13/2010 04:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't worry. I've started to practice taking out targets with throwing knives. When those run out, I'll switch to my backup weaponry known as the blowdart gun. Pffft! What was that? That was my poisoned dart embedding itself in your neck, scum!

Who needs a handgun with bullets? Not me! That would be silly, just silly. Thank you Mayor Daley for allowing me to expand my repertoire of self-defense skills.



That post above was too funny. Thanks for making me laugh today.

2/13/2010 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can thank Leo Schmitz for this.

2/13/2010 06:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lesson to the hair gel crowd. If you can shoot a perfect score, don't.

When you qualify you want to shoot just good enough, mediocre.

If and when you are in Federal court for a potentially questionable shooting you have grounds to stand on. If you are an ace shooter, you don't.
----------------------------------


Really? Because everytime I've gone to qualify it's been a pass/fail. They DO NOT track your score when you qualify other than the first time in the academy. Hairgels, go ahead and show them what you got!!

2/13/2010 06:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only unit getting extra ammo is the Mobile Strike Farce.
they get 450,000 rounds @ the cost of a cool 1 million smackers. They need it to ride around and do nothing while we suffer in the districts, ya it is fair

2/13/2010 03:37:00 AM

So you're saying the city pays roughly $2.22 a bullet? Please don't pretened to have a inside guy in the know. It just makes you sound like an idiot.

-not MSF

2/13/2010 06:48:00 AM  
Blogger PO said...

I heard the Range Sgt's have said the Carbine class's may be in jeopardy also. No ammo. They may go back to the "dry firing" instead live rounds for the recruits to save money.

2/13/2010 06:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Four departments prepare for workplace, school violence situations

* Police undergo 'active shooter' training

By Ken Kosky - ken.kosky@nwi.com, (219) 548-4354 | Posted: Saturday, February 13, 2010

UNION TOWNSHIP | Porter County Sheriff's Cpl. Jeremy Chavez followed the sounds of gunshots Friday morning at Wheeler High School, and finally came face to face with a bad guy who had a gun in one hand and a detonator for an explosive device in the other hand.

"We had to shoot him," Chavez said.

The encounter wasn't real -- but a training scenario designed to prepare local officers in case a shooting occurs at a workplace, school or other location.

Chavez -- one of 100 officers from Valparaiso, Hebron, Kouts and the Porter County authorities who underwent "active shooter" training Friday or who will undergo the training Monday at the school -- called the training beneficial.

http://nwitimes.com

2/13/2010 07:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would hope that the Mobile Strike Force is getting ammo you goof. That is where SWAT is assigned.

2/13/2010 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You'll have to buy your own ammo just like everything else.

2/13/2010 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Chicago Everyone will pass Kid Wink Wink

2/13/2010 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 rounds from what distance?

2/13/2010 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it wasn't cut from O'Keefe. it was cut at city hall purchasing office. this was decided about 7 weeks ago and T/D has been doing everything to get these morons at the hall to stop this craziness!

2/13/2010 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the best time to go and shoot on your own? Either at the academy or any area?

2/13/2010 03:24:00 AM

___________________________________________________

The best time to go is when you are Sober!!!

2/13/2010 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/us/politics/13obama.html?hp

2/13/2010 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to take a nice ride and shoot at a great place for free. Willow Slough in Indiana just off of rt 41 is great. The range master there loves the police and it is very safe and clean. NO GANG BANGERS. I usually go a few times a year with my kids and I deduct the cost of ammo from my taxes. They have a pistol range, shotgun range and a 50 and 100 yard rifle ranges. you can stop at Cabelas on your way out there and pick up some cheap ammo also. I don't think most people know this but you can purchase rifles and shotguns in Indiana with your Illinois FOID but not pistols. You can also purchase ammo. There is also a Bass pro shop a little further up the highway if you want to go there. I realized a few years ago that when it comes to firearms training the city just does not care. I think the department does but they do not have any money to work with. You just have to do it on your own boys and girls. stay safe and return home to your family each night, and it does not hurt to teach your wife and kids how to shoot either. Remember they are home alone while you are at work. I feel sorry for the muther fucker who tries to get into my home while my wife and kids are there. A whole can of whip ass is in store for them.

2/13/2010 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Non Hair Gel Warrior said...

Lesson to the hair gel crowd. If you can shoot a perfect score, don't.

Yes I heard that too from the old guys 10 + years ago. I'll tell you the same thing now I told them then. It is much, much easier shooting a piece of paper that has no intent on harming you than it is a person who means to kill you and can move. Most of the old timers who went around making the statement about not trying your best on the range for "court" reasons were blow hearts themselves and couldn't shoot the broad side of a barn anyway.

To any copper whose shooting comes under question. Your defense is exactly what I typed, no comparison of the two situations... low stressed controlled environment vs high stressed ever changing environment.

2/13/2010 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic but needs to be said more often, and needs to be heard even more. We really need to stick together and look out for each other. I see so much crap talking it makes me sick. Most people don't appreciate us, so lets realize a little more that we are all in this together.

That would be great if there weren't so many fuckups. I can't see anyone sticking out their necks for cops who still think they can do what they want.

2/13/2010 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 12:45, I don't understand the rationale of intentionally shooting a mediocre score, in case you are involved in a lawsuit. It seems like it would be pretty easy to produce an expert to discuss the difference between yearly qualification and firing under combat stress, and how that could reduce accuracy.

So the preferable grounds to stand on is that you are already a crappy shooter who can barely hit the target while not under stress? It seems like this would make it much easier for a defense attorney to paint you as a nit wit who shouldn't even have a gun in the first place.

I dont understand the, "this is related to questionable shootings related to marksmanship and not circumstance...," aren't all shootings inherently related to circumstance. Please elaborate.

2/13/2010 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Does anyone know the best time to go and shoot on your own? Either at the academy or any area?

2/13/2010 03:24:00 AM


Sunday mornings between 0400 & 0500 at Area 6 Range. Ask for Sgt. Scony.

You can also try any night at 63rd and Stony Island.

2/13/2010 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

True. Don't know the eventual # of rounds that we won't have, but the ammo budget was cut by about $500,000. Right from O'Keefe.

2/13/2010 04:06:00 AM


Makes sense, why would a civilian clout fuck who sucks daley's asshole clean see any need for a police department to have ammunition to train?

If anyone gets in any shaky shootings this year be sure to document the department's lack of ammunition for training and qualification in a statement.

In addition, be sure to make a statement that your training records have been falsified, as almost everyone's has. You know damn well everyone hasn't been trained on all the bullshit in those training records. Front offices mark everyone on the roaster as trained according to the streaming video schedule whether they were present or not.

2/13/2010 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was at the range and got only enough new ammo to fill my mags..in the past they gave you the extras, this time they kept them....also, why do they need 2 range guys...? Put one back on the street.

2/13/2010 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the idiot that said not to shoot better than you have to when you qualify. What a tool

2/13/2010 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Lets all flunk the first round qualifier and burn up all the ammo.
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I like it!

2/13/2010 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I tried getting my 100 rounds for 2010 but was told by range personnel that I am S.O.L.

2/13/2010 12:07:00 AM


Exempts at 35th St. all got theirs. Where were you? Didn't you get the confidential phone call?

2/13/2010 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can now qualify through e-learning on the dept. intranet. you must use your pc # to keep the integrity of the program.

2/13/2010 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger Henry Bowman said...

Back in the late 70's and 80's (don't worry boys and girls, I.m retired) we didn't shoot for 5 to 7YEARS. This will be nothing new. You're on your own. Just keep telling yourself it's all LEGIT.


God Save the CPD......


God Save the Republic.......

2/13/2010 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Ammunition! When did we start using that? I've been putting water in my pistol for years.

2/13/2010 12:26:00 AM
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Water?! Mine's got whiskey!

2/13/2010 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Ex-025 White Shirt said...

Dear_____:
I hope you are doing well and had a very nice Christmas. Mine was not very nice and there was no Christmas mass even though they extended every religious courtesy to the Muslims and the Baptists. I still hate this place and hate most of the animal inmates too. I also have developed a deep hatred for the State of Louisiana and its red neck hillbilly people too. No word on my appeal but I am hoping things work out.

Please be safe and back each other up. My body may be here but my heart and soul are with the CPD. God Bless you, your friend,
WJ Cozzi

2/12/2010 09:52:00 PM


This just needed to be reposted so it doesn't get lost. Words cannot express the injustice that Bill Cozzi is facing!

Not to mention that his good name is now forever lumped in with the two drunken shitbags that keep popping up in the media over and over! He is such a good person, this letter just breaks my heart!

Jody Weis, you will NEVER have my respect. You are a fraud and have destroyed my morale. I still do my job because I have pride, but now retirement can not come soon enough.

Please send good mojo to Bill Cozi: Let's hope he wins his appeal! God knows he doesn't deserve the punishment he is serving. NOT AT ALL!

2/13/2010 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this mean all those range officers who get a 100 rounds per day working will not looking get this little perk? Must be nice!! I would be able to shot grerat to if I had clout to get in there and then was able to shot every day like them.

2/13/2010 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT--Daley raises taxes over 40%!!

Shortshanks will now make us pay for our own raises by jacking up our assessed valuations by 40+%!! My home value has gone down A LOT during the last few years due to this recession, but King Richie's boy at the Assessors office, Jimmy Houlihan, now says that in 2009 (during the worst of the recession) my home value increased to 140% of what it was just a year earlier in 2008. If that is true, then let the little prick buy if off me and let me move to the suburbs!

Daley doesn't have to raise tax RATES to raise TAXES. By saying my house is now worth 40% more than last year, he just raised my property takes by 40%!

He just swore he wouldn't raise taxes until AFTER he is reelected next year, but he's raising mine by 40%. Please, Dear West Side Reverends, find someone who doesn't say, "Fuck the Police!" ten times a day, to run against the stuttering prick. I'll vote for them.

2/13/2010 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just finished reading Bill Cozzi's letters that were submitted on an earlier post. Every policeman should read them. I'm a white shirt, Jody, am I'm hoping and praying you get cancer.

2/13/2010 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic but im on furlough can anyone help a brother out as to if there are any/or which districts have openings

2/13/2010 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't we need ammo to shoot at that new outdoor range on the south side?

2/13/2010 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous I ♥ U said...

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2/13/2010 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, can't you see what happening? They're offering taser training to P.O.s. You won't need ammo because JFed will arm everyoe with a taser instead. No guns, no kills, no lawsuits...a win for everyone in the city...except for the cop who is killed in the line of duty because of no ammo to train with. I'm sure you all agree that we should be qualifying 3 times per year and the 4th time should be a day long tactical firearms course: shooting in low light, on the move, multiple targets, shoot/don't shoot scenarios, etc.

2/13/2010 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if the department order says we are to have 100 rounds and when I try to get them and am told I can't, who do I make the CR# against? The range guy, he's sgt, JFED, O'Keefe? One of them violated the order. Or do you call an inspector? I know it won't go anywhere but it will tie them up for a while. The FOP should be telling us to do this. Just like the city always fucks with us.

On the plus side we won't have back problems when we get older from carrying extra weight from the handgun if we all have blow guns. That was too funny.

2/13/2010 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moble Strike force gets extra rounds because they have the SWAT team under them.
Your weapon is on of the tools of the trade. Just like a wrench is to a mechanic. Everyone should be able to hit what they shoot at , for your safty and the safty of other PO's. Force the union to clamp down on the City and get the Ammo so we can train.

2/13/2010 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you qualify you want to shoot just good enough, mediocre.

If and when you are in Federal court for a potentially questionable shooting you have grounds to stand on. If you are an ace shooter, you don't.




You're an idiot. I suppose they will dig up my target from the file cabinet they keep it in that looks like a garbage can right?

2/13/2010 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police make marijuana arrest near South Side school
February 12, 2010 9:34 PM | No Comments
Deering District tactical officers today arrested a man and confiscated marijuana worth about $5,500 near a South Side high school.

Police served a search warrant in a basement apartment in the 700 block of West 47th Street about 10 a.m. and arrested resident Arturo Espinoza, 57, according to the Office of News Affairs.

Officers found several bags of cannabis worth about $5,500, a scale, packaging materials and more than $6,500 in cash, police said.

Espinoza was charged with three felony counts of Possession of Cannabis, one felony count of Manufacture/Deliver of Cannabis, and two misdemeanor counts of Possession of Cannabis, according to police.

"The target building is literally in the shadows of Tilden High School," Deering District Commander David Jarmusz said in a news release.

Espinoza is scheduled to appear in Central Bond Court on Saturday.

--Staff report
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Good arrest officers, but is it really newsworthy?

2/13/2010 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Aldermen can carry guns, do they have to qualify? Who pays for their ammo?

I'm just askin'.

The cost of ammo has skyrocketed thanks to the Messiah Obama who stopped the military from allowing it's spent ammo to be reloaded in the civilian market. Now all that spent brass is shredded.

That and shooters everywhere are rightfully afraid that this goof and his minions will make all ammunition impossible to get FOR EVERYONE EVERYWHERE.

Hillary Clinton is working on a United Nations Treaty that she and Obama and Daley hopes will circumvent the 2nd Amendment by banning private small arms ownership worldwide. If this happens the Area Gun Teams would be sent into every home in the city to scoop up every firearm of every type that every law abiding citizen owns. This is just like they did in England and the other British Commonwealth Countries.

Take a look at this friends:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU

2/13/2010 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Me and some of the guys on my team have tried calling the Academy range several times with no answer, so one day we went down there and found out that nobody was even able to answer the phone because they are working shorthanded because of "operation protect youth", I asked when a good time would be to come down and practice and they showed me their schedule. For those that dont know, they have about 100 recruits they are training now,and they are pretty much non stop busy. Their phone never stopped ringing while me and my partner were there. We were refered to the area's but then guess what, one range was I guess out at protect youth, the other range was down for repairs again. They are always helpful and cool to deal with, unlike when I came through the academy over 17 yrs. ago. Personally, I would not want the job they have, but I'm glad they are there. If it is true about the ammo shortage then that would just figure.

2/13/2010 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Solution to the Problem.

The Mayor says we need the Ammo more than we need than More Palm Trees on the Beaches...or

...we need the Ammo More the Masters Needs to go to Isreal.

...we need the Ammo More than a $300,000 contract employee superintendent and his fed hangers on.

2/13/2010 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets all flunk the first round qualifier and burn up all the ammo.

Lesson to the hair gel crowd. If you can shoot a perfect score, don't.

When you qualify you want to shoot just good enough, mediocre.

If and when you are in Federal court for a potentially questionable shooting you have grounds to stand on. If you are an ace shooter, you don't.

------

You must be retired for quite some time because never in 10 years has any range personnel ever counted the number of hits and recorded it. All they do is see if you passed or failed, then your target goes in the trash. Nice try mister know it all.

2/13/2010 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All thanks to Howie "my blackberry is my spine" Loading....

2/13/2010 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think if you fail you should be fired. This is the easiest friggin course in the world. I know a lot of exempts girlfriends and or boyfriends would be fired but oh well.

2/13/2010 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a direct reflection of the CPD administration, the Mayor and the depth and breadth of corruption in Chicago. Everybody in the inner circle got theirs, is getting theirs, wants theirs and no attention paid to basic safety of sworn officers or citizens.

If a private business were run this way they would cease to exist. There is no excuse for officers not having what they need to do their job safely or competently. No excuse whatsoever for government, which has a steady revenue stream (taxes) to not be able to fund whatever is needed and necessary.

I hope Daley and everyone who manipulated their way in to his good graces by selling their soul gets the shits for a month.

Make that six months.

---not a cop

2/13/2010 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is everyone bitching about, nobody goes to shoot anyway unless its for yearly qualifications. The range is never available to use outside of mandatory shooting, people dont want to shoot because they will have to clean thier guns, always bitching and moaning. Id rather have less bullets than see my water bill go up again, or have my property taxes go up another $500 every year like the green grocer.

2/13/2010 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No ammo, cars falling apart and in the worst shape I've ever seen them, PDT's constantly not working, radios are total shit and the batteries never seem to be able to last the whole shift. On top of all that, retires are outnumbering new hires on a regular basis. This department is just doomed if something doesn't change quick.

2/13/2010 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New annual qualification drill:

You'll be required to bring your "snap caps" to the range and pretend that you are shooting the target, while shouting "bang-bang!"

"Okay officer, sign here..you are legit for another year..good luck!"

2/13/2010 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

***Does anyone know the best time to go and shoot on your own? Either at the academy or any area?***

this dept is a joke...it's so difficult just to get some trigger time. area 5 for rifle/pistol (if anyone is there) and academy for pistol (if anyone is there) maybe range staff is stretched this as is patrol

2/13/2010 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all in Daley's way wanting to get rid of guns in the city...although this is a terrible mistake and they should not be cheap on this training. The FOP should file a lawsuit on this one.

2/13/2010 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does not matter, and anyone from 35th placed on the street will be useless as they are at 35th street. They come in, no not for roll call mind you, get a car and ride 4 deep. Well I should not say they ride they actually park and hide for a few hours and get cut early? This is not the answer nor is this going to assist the department's man power issue. on paper yes it will and it looks great I am sure, but don't be blind mayor a dog is a dog and a house mouse is a house mouse...

2/13/2010 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What kind of training do the elite Daley and Burke body guards get???? I'm sure the general police population isn't privy to the same. Please ID all of these highly trained "body guards" and see what they get that the poor blue shirt is denied. That would be good investigative reporting.

2/13/2010 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do we need ammo for when Shortshanks will take away the guns pretty soon. Shortshanks is giving the ammo to his hero son who is getting called back to desk duty.

2/13/2010 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe it's assumed you'll give in and begin buying your own ammo for practice. You know --- the way many public school teachers end up buying their own supplies, while generously-remunerated administrators are dining out on account.

2/13/2010 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. "SCC, maybe someone should ask Bea why she is going to the wakes of Latin King gangmembers? Me thinks that is a conflict of interest? Oh and Bea, try using something more than a pair of risky business sunglasses!and for Gods sake don't sign the register using your real name. Use some common sense!"

What is this all about? Elaborate please, if Bea is attending gangbanger funerals someone needs to post particulars then she HAS TO GO!! If true this is scary....is her daughter giving out info to the gangs which she "gets" from her MOM!? hmmm very interesting....

2/13/2010 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's simple. if anyone fails to qualify, they will be forced to take a refresher course on their own time and pay for their own ammo. you never know, they may even get stripped until they pass the course...just a guess.

2/13/2010 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off of the range


how about sgt's
especially the ones in this elite unit of gang enforcement.
how about a qualification of lets say 10 box 1 felony arrest for a uuw. and/or narcotics arrest...
oh there goes half of them....
how about a min. of 100 felony arrest in a one year period.
there goes all of them...
if you are a worker there the only pat on the back you get is that overtime check...
screw daley and the city...;.
you can not even send your kids to public school, yet you pay the highest taxes for what???
oh the section 8 across the street from you. so they can send their kids to those public schools that 80% OF YOUR TAXES GO TO...

get rid of half these sgt's in the geu of ocd please....

and open it up...

look at the arrest history of some of these clowns that are there...
i understand long term investigations. but 1 felony over 6 weeks, and its from a street stop .... please..... get some workers that love to put bangers away... i understand its only for a short period, but atleast were having fun, watching them sit in prison....


at least in unit 315

2/13/2010 03:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"When you qualify you want to shoot just good enough, mediocre.

If and when you are in Federal court for a potentially questionable shooting you have grounds to stand on. If you are an ace shooter, you don't.

This applies to questionable shootings that are directly related to marksmanship and not circumstance.

Practice,practice, practice but never shoot better than you
have to when qualifying.

2/13/2010 12:45:00 AM"

When was the last time you qualified? They don't record your score, they mark you down pass or fail and then throw your target away. Exactly what is going to come up in federal court?

2/13/2010 03:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any remember the Insane Fish from the past ?

2/13/2010 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it might be true--- they changed the amount of ammo when you qualify--- I was wondering why the change.

2/13/2010 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
True. Don't know the eventual # of rounds that we won't have, but the ammo budget was cut by about $500,000. Right from O'Keefe.

Doom on you!!! ... right from Anonymous. Hope I never have a bad beef you have to drop paper on

2/13/2010 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly, does it really matter. The CPD qualifies it's POs once a year, LAPD once month. Their course is much harder than ours is. The 30 round test we do now is a joke. The truly sad thing is how many POs fail it each year. I was at A3 to qualify when a female officer who was Wysinger's secretary came in to qualify with her revolver. They had her go in by herself since she was the only one with a revolver. She was in the center lane and somehow managed to shoot the side wall while qualifying. Needless to say she failed. As a side note, do you want this house mouse on the street with you?

2/13/2010 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went today and got my free 100 bullets. So I don't think this rumor is true.

2/13/2010 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How am I going to shoot my m16, which is lifting my morale?

2/13/2010 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is ridiculous. I'm a private citizen and fire more rounds than you guys do in a year - for fun. How is this an effective budget cut? They'd be more effective getting rid of half the take-home cars all your upper management flunkies drive around.

If the shortage of ammo threatens your ability to shoot at bad guys in my neighborhood, allow me to donate!

2/13/2010 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

2/13/2010 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just give me a bow and arrow!

2/13/2010 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous AMBER 018 said...

Hey people,
How about bringing your own ammo to shoot. I brought my own, and the range sarge thanked me for helping out the city.

Our good mayor has ehough problems with all good things he has to do for us in Chicago.

How about everyone donate a box of ammo, it will be like a food drive.

Take care people,
AMBER 018

2/13/2010 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who Cares? Heard years ago that the feds gave the Range 100 rounds a year for every CPD sworn officer to use for practice. I never got even 1 round, ever. Just another rip-off from Rip-Off City.....

2/13/2010 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

our shoot at a stationary paper target course is a joke anyway. Ben doing the same thing basically for over 25 years now. But then again, what isn't?

2/13/2010 06:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of depts. across the country use reloaded ammo (to the same specs as duty ammo) for training, which is much cheaper. Does CPD? Additionally as a way to raise money and help provide a public service,when Chicago loses to McDonald, the CPD ranges could be opened to the public several days a week, not only offering a safe place to shoot but could also offer basic safety classes, for a reasonable fee of course. A win-win situation, revenue and safety instruction. Too bad it would never fly with the fifth floor midget.

2/13/2010 07:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Recruits have had to buy their riot control helmets for the last 6 years, They were looking into making them buy their law books. It wouldn't surprise me if they have to buy practice ammo.

2/13/2010 07:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY!!

I have an idea!!

Why not reassign another 100 P.O.s to the fuckin' range so they can hide and work their 6 hour day.

2/13/2010 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AMBER 018 said...
Hey people,
How about bringing your own ammo to shoot. I brought my own, and the range sarge thanked me for helping out the city.

Our good mayor has ehough problems with all good things he has to do for us in Chicago.

How about everyone donate a box of ammo, it will be like a food drive.

Take care people,
AMBER 018

2/13/2010 05:59:00 PM


Good funny you made Amber. Sure, like a food drive. How about if I just go to the range with the last target I shot and go BANG, BANG BANG, reload, holster, draw, BANG BANG BANG.

Once upon a time I used to qualify by fiber optic cable. I'd call my friend, he would ask what score I wanted and I was qualified. By Sprint, his voice came through very clear. I always saved the city on ammo. I didn't use any. The old ways were good, it was a simpler time

Like a food drive, good Amber. Can I meet you for a soda or something?

2/13/2010 07:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Pet Boy Sherman said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know the best time to go and shoot on your own? Either at the academy or any area?

2/13/2010 03:24:00 AM


Sunday mornings between 0400 & 0500 at Area 6 Range. Ask for Sgt. Scony.

You can also try any night at 63rd and Stony Island.

2/13/2010 09:16:00 AM


Uh, what year should I put in the way-back machine there Peabody? There hasn't been an Area 6 for about 18 years.

2/13/2010 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any remember the Insane Fish from the past ?

2/13/2010 03:30:00 PM

Yes we do, now stay the f$#% off the blog.

2/13/2010 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Has anyone in A/4 with less than 15 years on, been denied a 6A furlough due to seniority? Well then u must not be a f/2 with less than 10 yrs who went and asked the commander to change her furlough since she did not want 1st,2nd or 3rd period. If she had one of those furloughs she would not be able to get more days after her 10 yr anniversary But it does not matter when other people were in the same situation. This job has always assigned furloughs by seniority why would the commander open himself up to grievances? But then again, he did the same in 16, f/2 with 5 yrs on had a 13B. Morale issues? Whats that? If u cant abide by contracts then some people never should ve taken the job. Everyone in a/4 who wouldve liked a 6A furlough but could not get it based on seniority should file a grievance.

2/13/2010 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uh, what year should I put in the way-back machine there Peabody? There hasn't been an Area 6 for about 18 years.

2/13/2010 07:55:00 PM

obviously a Northsider and dumb. IT WAS SARCASM STUPID

2/13/2010 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Snap caps, LMAO!! Haven't heard that term in 4 months, I forgot about that already. I'm the real deal now. 2 more months on the street and off to tac i go. (Since five years and under mostly work tac these days)

2/13/2010 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heard we are going to have to pay for our rounds in 2011. Could be as much as $200.00 per year. Hope you all qualified already.-whitsuckers!!!!!!White Shirt

2/13/2010 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any remember the Insane Fish from the past ?

2/13/2010 03:30:00 PM

Yes and still on the job. Do you remember the hand sign?

2/13/2010 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just go to jodys highrise,they sell weed,and ammo too.or stop by the fop those sellouts can give you what they dont use.or stop by the gift shop and by some koolaid from them too,right cooter

2/13/2010 10:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dry fire practice with snap caps is a good idea...you learn your trigger, where it breaks. Just dont have any live ammo in the room when you do this. Also practice tap-rack-bang drills with them. Its "tap" to seat the magazine, "Rack" the slide to reload the gun and bang. As Clint Smith says, "It will or it wont." If it wont, rip the mag out,rack the slide twice to clear it out.. Re-insert mag, rack again and it will. Watch him teach this on youtube.If you dont know how to clear a double feed, you really should watch Clints video. If you really want to practice, you can order 250 round bulk range packs online and have them delivered to someone in the burbs. I felt stupid paying $70 to shoot 100 rounds at a suburban range.

2/13/2010 10:22:00 PM  
Anonymous HeadLice said...

Hey Guys:

Remember that dust-up at the FBI range on the North Shore between a couple of playaz from the National Felon League?

Perhaps your Superintendent can make a few calls and get you in to practice, No?

**crickets**

And a quiet "Fuck You, HeadLice" from someone in the back of the room.

Damn. You poor bastards.

2/13/2010 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/13/2010 11:34:00 AM:

That won't happen. Even the stupidest gun-grabbers can see the math. If only 10% of the people that get attacked shoot back, and only 10% of them kill their targets, there will be no police or any other law enforcement left in the country. Most police are a lot smarter than to engage in such stupidity, especially in any place outside a major metropolitan area. In downstate Illinois, or in any other midwestern state, it would be a deathwish to participate.

2/13/2010 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

,500 near a South Side high school.

Police served a search warrant in a basement apartment in the 700 block of West 47th Street about 10 a.m. and arrested resident Arturo Espinoza, 57, according to the Office of News Affairs.

Officers found several bags of cannabis worth about $5,500, a scale, packaging materials and more than $6,500 in cash, police said.

Espinoza was charged with three felony counts of Possession of Cannabis, one felony count of Manufacture/Deliver of Cannabis, and two misdemeanor counts of Possession of Cannabis, according to police.

"The target building is literally in the shadows of Tilden High School," Deering District Commander David Jarmusz said in a news release.

Espinoza is scheduled to appear in Central Bond Court on Saturday.

--Staff report
___________________________________

Good arrest officers, but is it really newsworthy?

-----------------------------------sounds like someone in 009 really like calling the media

2/13/2010 11:08:00 PM  
Anonymous DIE ALTE said...

IS IT WRONG TO GIVE THE AREA 4 RUN TO REMEMBER DETECTIVE A 6 SOMETHING FURLOUGH?

WHEN ALL SHE COULD GET WAS A PITIFUL 1A?

NO REALLY IS IT WRONG?

AND THEN YOU WANT 2 CUT OVERTIME ON THE HGS BECAUSE "THESE GUYS ARE MAKING 2 MUCH MONEY."

AND WHEN DID THE RUN TO REMEMBER BECOME A PAID SPOT ON TAX PAYER DIMES?

IF YOU WANT TO SERVE THE CAUSE DO IT ON YOUR FREE TIME OR YOUR 6A FURLOUGH.

HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THAT COMMANDERS ALL OVER THE CITY ARE SCREWING WITH THE MANAGEMENT SPOTS TO FILL HOLES!

ITS GETTING OLD FAST NEW BOSS...
DONT END UP LIKE YOU LAST HGS SGT. HE PLAYED FAST WITH RULES 2 SOO I HEARD.

2/13/2010 11:30:00 PM  
Anonymous AMBER -018 said...

Like a food drive, good Amber. Can I meet you for a soda or something?

2/13/2010 07:48:00 PM
___________________________________Hi Mister, O yes, "Dutch treat", I am not a loose woman.

I am a ticket guru like my old friend Missy. If you love our mayor and get into writing parkers, I will share a soda pop with you. Missy is still suffering with her Imjury. Her ex-mother in law in Palm Srings is caring for the poor girl.

She probadly will never again write another parker. Poor soul.
Her hand are still swollen like a soft-ball. I hope she comes back to this nlog. She is a true blue P.O

So people, what do you think ?

An ammo drive for the city. How about every district have a point person to collect the boxes. Our mayor will love us more in doing this.

Maybe SCC and Sgt. N.S can get it going.

Bye now,

AMBER 018 district

2/13/2010 11:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Lets all flunk the first round qualifier and burn up all the ammo.

Lesson to the hair gel crowd. If you can shoot a perfect score, don't.

When you qualify you want to shoot just good enough, mediocre.

If and when you are in Federal court for a potentially questionable shooting you have grounds to stand on. If you are an ace shooter, you don't.

This applies to questionable shootings that are directly related to marksmanship and not circumstance.

Practice,practice, practice but never shoot better than you
have to when qualifying.

2/13/2010 12:45:00 AM
===============
Amen brother. I was told this 20 years ago by an old-timer. Still true.

2/13/2010 11:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Yes BC visited a gangbangers wake awhile back. She was in civilian dress and was dropped off a block from the funeral home. BC was wearing risky business sunglasses and a hat in an attempt to conceal her identity. It didn't work that well cuz ODPOs recognized her and confirmed it was her by checking register book which she signed! These are the same thugs that shoot at the police! What a disgrace! Only in Chicago would this ever happen!

2/14/2010 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The range officers are doing the best with what the city is giving them. I have seen them work with people who may not have the skills to shoot well. They give them a pep talk and show them some techniques. But people must also take some initive and pratice on their own.

2/14/2010 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's interesting that the same liberals who make ammo purchases near impossible also make it near impossible to supply the police with sufficient ammo to qualify...hrmmm...something mighty suspicious going on.

2/14/2010 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard harpoon guns will be the new norm... one shot, then reel in your catch... ammo reusable too!

2/14/2010 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I just finished reading Bill Cozzi's letters that were submitted on an earlier post. Every policeman should read them. I'm a white shirt, Jody, am I'm hoping and praying you get cancer.

2/13/2010 10:20:00 AM
--------
So did I. Not sure if Bill would want his letters made public like that though......

2/14/2010 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Snap caps, LMAO!! Haven't heard that term in 4 months, I forgot about that already. I'm the real deal now. 2 more months on the street and off to tac i go. (Since five years and under mostly work tac these days)

2/13/2010 09:22:00 PM

Where do you work? Most people on Tact have 8+

2/14/2010 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Has anyone in A/4 with less than 15 years on, been denied a 6A furlough due to seniority? Well then u must not be a f/2 with less than 10 yrs who went and asked the commander to change her furlough since she did not want 1st,2nd or 3rd period. If she had one of those furloughs she would not be able to get more days after her 10 yr anniversary But it does not matter when other people were in the same situation. This job has always assigned furloughs by seniority why would the commander open himself up to grievances? But then again, he did the same in 16, f/2 with 5 yrs on had a 13B. Morale issues? Whats that? If u cant abide by contracts then some people never should ve taken the job. Everyone in a/4 who wouldve liked a 6A furlough but could not get it based on seniority should file a grievance.


Yea another mewbie swinger girlfriend of the chief in vice is being let to switch her 1 furlo. Straight from the chief. Claims its due to her involvement in investigation. Big lie. Investigation is her reading reports of months old information. Gotta sleep with the boss to get what you want apparently.

2/14/2010 03:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Bluedude said...

I'm a range instructor, one of a few. It's funny how so many guys gripe cause we dont just hand you a box of ammo to correct your flaws. Did you know that about 70% of your shooting errors can be corrected without firing a single round? You joke about snap caps but dry fire definitely helps, we all do it. And the crack about 100 rounds a day per instructor...we wish! We have to be good enough to be able to practice what we preach but we feel this pinch just like you. I've never denied anyone who walked on my range. If I was teaching a class, you might have to wait a few minutes but I'll get you out there, I promise. Hang in there, this sucks for everyone. By the way, some people dont shoot but once a year and some people dont even keep their duty weapons lubed...OR EVEN FRIGGIN LOADED!! Stay positive and be tenacious.

2/14/2010 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can rounds confiscated in search warrants be used to supply the range? Is that dangerous?


Citizen Q

2/14/2010 08:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

INSANE FISH. Somebody should write a book, no names of course. We need them back, just can't do the same s**t that went on well over 20 years ago. Of course, I'm sure the ingenuity of the insane fish members will reveal itself and new and fun ways to mess with as**ole and/or evil bosses will reveal itself. I/F

2/14/2010 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous bright red 1957 plymouth fury said...

Gotta sleep with the boss to get what you want apparently.

2/14/2010 03:46:00 AM


TRU dat.

2/14/2010 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have seen them work with people who may not have the skills to shoot well. They give them a pep talk and show them some techniques. But people must also take some initive and pratice on their own"

REAL SIMPLE SOLUTION HAVE AN INSPECTOR& IAD AT THE RANGE, WHEN YOU DON'T QUALIFY,YOU'RE STRIPPED ON THE SPOT. THAT INCLUDES EVERY & ALL WHITE SHIRTS WHO FAIL TO QUALIFY REGARDLESS OF RANK. THAT WILL MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO QUALIFY. IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR EVERY WHITE SHIRT T I'VE SEEN SLIDE WHEN IT COMES TO WEAPONS QUALIFICATION I COULD'VE RETIRED YEARS AGO.

2/14/2010 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This job has always assigned furloughs by seniority why would the commander open himself up to grievances? But then again, he did the same in 16, f/2 with 5 yrs on had a 13B. Morale issues?

------

Hmmm why would he open himself up to a grievance?

Perhaps he knows that none of the dicks in A4 have the balls to file one.

The way this story ends is going to say a lot more about you than it will the commander.

2/14/2010 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Yes BC visited a gangbangers wake awhile back. She was in civilian dress and was dropped off a block from the funeral home. BC was wearing risky business sunglasses and a hat in an attempt to conceal her identity. It didn't work that well cuz ODPOs recognized her and confirmed it was her by checking register book which she signed! These are the same thugs that shoot at the police! What a disgrace! Only in Chicago would this ever happen!

2/14/2010 01:04:00 AM

Who is the gangbanger?

Where was the funeral?

If you won't do something about this, I will.

2/14/2010 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any remember the Insane Fish from the past ?

2/13/2010 03:30:00 PM

Yes we do, now stay the f$#% off the blog.
*******************************
Hey As$Hat 2/13/2010 03:30 P.M.(?)
You must be a poser or an idiot. You have no idea. So how about a nice cup of "shut the F^ck up!"
Dearly departed I/F

2/14/2010 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as riccio once said, he was caught in a weak moment. fuck him!

2/14/2010 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is the gangbanger?

Where was the funeral?

If you won't do something about this, I will.

2/14/2010 12:05:00 PM

Wow, genius, you must be the epitome of a CPD investigator. How fucking hard would it be to figure out how many motherfuckers just got buried? How many of those were Hispanic? How many were gang bangers of the Latin Kings type?

Oh, that's right. You sound tough on the blog but don't have shit to back it up. You don't have anyone to go to for that kind of information because you're too busy talking about how you're the real police to some bar fly fat ass at the local watering hole instead of honing your investigative skills.

Try doing instead of just talking for a change. You might actually be able to look yourself in the fucking mirror when you shave. If not, be content to have that bar maid be your fucking boss.

2/14/2010 05:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2010 is going to be a trip, there looks like alot more carnage to come. Think react and stay safe. Rough times are coming and change for the good I hope. Things cannot continue the way they are in this world much longer. Stock up on ammo and weapons. Trust me when the financial markets tank you'll need weapons.

2/14/2010 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IS IT WRONG TO GIVE THE AREA 4 RUN TO REMEMBER DETECTIVE A 6 SOMETHING FURLOUGH?

How can it be for the Run when the Run is 1 May and 6 period is June? Answers anyone?

2/15/2010 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey now!
seems that not all of the comments are getting posted, what about that goof at CTA with the suspicous package, is that story true or not? Did a sgt actually shake a suspected bomb or what, we are hearing rumors but cant confirm or dent the story.

2/16/2010 04:26:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

hey now!
seems that not all of the comments are getting posted, what about that goof at CTA with the suspicous package, is that story true or not? Did a sgt actually shake a suspected bomb or what, we are hearing rumors but cant confirm or dent the story.


You are allowed to ask one question one time. You aren't allowed to post it 10 times in 10 different comment sections. If you attempt to do that and we catch it, we delete each and every comment we find after the earliest posted version.

If you're unlucky, we even delete that one sometimes. Keep track of what you post and what the responses are. Stop wasting our bandwidth.

2/16/2010 06:25:00 PM  

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