Saturday, October 25, 2014

CTA Screening

  • CTA train riders will be subject to random baggage screening next month as a part of a new security initiative to sweep for explosives at transit stations, Chicago police and CTA officials announced Friday morning.

    Starting Nov. 3, mobile explosives screening teams consisting of up to six Chicago police officers will be positioned outside the turnstiles at some transit stations, said Nancy Lipman, commander of the department’s Public Transportation Section.

    Officers will ask passengers at random to submit to a screening.

    “If the customer is willing to take part in the screening, the outside bag he or she is carrying will be swabbed with a small cloth,” Lipman told reporters. “The cloth is then inserted into a machine that detects the presence of explosive compounds.”

    If passengers decline to participate in the screening, they will be denied entry and could be arrested under the officer’s discretion, authorities said.
A couple of questions - and this isn't us being smart-asses - this is us seeking info:
  •  Someone tests positive - now what?
  • Someone refuses - that isn't probable cause or even reasonable suspicion - now what?
  • Someone refuses, isn't identified, isn't Contact Carded, exits and goes up half a block to another entrance - now what?
We realize this is brand new and maybe there are processes in place for one or more of these eventualities, but with TOSPOT Special starting up again in a few days, it'd be nice to have some hint that these and other situations not mentioned are being addressed.

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    90 Comments:

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Jesus Christ, this city.

    Unconstitutional, period, if you think you can arrest someone for not acquiescing to a 'random search'. Any bullshit pretext you might drum up to arrest them will get mighty expensive in the 1983 Civil Suit.

    Horrible policy, astonished it cleared the lowest levels of the legal team. DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS.


    10/25/2014 12:10:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    According to WBBM, if the bag tests positive, they ask you to open it. If you don't open it, they won't allow you to ride. BIG deterrent. (cough, cough)

    10/25/2014 12:14:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Another waste of time and money. I am sure Jihadist Akbar will volunteer to have his bag checked by cops. Is this supposed to make the CTA customers feel safer?

    10/25/2014 12:18:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Talk about unwarranted searches and raping constitutional rights. I hope the city and CPD gets sued out the ying yang over this.

    10/25/2014 12:25:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    A Mass Transit Commander got dumped for suggesting this a few years back. What changed?

    10/25/2014 12:29:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It's ok something the grant writer specialist 5 year wonder boy Paulson aka Jack Bauer ordered up. Order more balaclava's or how bout some computer/ clear systems for the outposts. Bout as brilliant as those radiation detectors

    10/25/2014 12:37:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    With Public Trans on the way out and Special Employment expanding in its place it looks like Commander Lipman quite possibly is one of the candidates for the next Supe spot.

    10/25/2014 12:54:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    could a way to see who is carrying firearms on cta
    remember it has to in some form of a case

    10/25/2014 01:00:00 AM  
    Anonymous 29 and a day said...

    one asshole from the ACLU is already hinting at a lawsuit because he thinks black males will be disproportionately targeted by this. He warns the city to keep meticulous records of who they stop who they deny access to etc. What a POS

    10/25/2014 01:15:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I also heard they were going to test your temperature with a rectal thermometer.

    10/25/2014 01:24:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    To add to your list of questions:

    -- Who is Nancy Lipman and what qualifies her for this position?

    10/25/2014 01:54:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I hate to say it, seeing I'm all for it, but it's a deep violation of rights I believe. This is gonna cause major problems, but I will do it for time and a half.

    10/25/2014 02:13:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "Someone refuses - that isn't probable cause or even reasonable suspicion - now what?"

    That is a very good question.

    How long before someone cries "racist"? You'd better have a darn good reason before detaining someone. Especially in public with so many cameras and passengers around.

    10/25/2014 02:42:00 AM  
    Blogger Rich Rostrom said...

    Security theater, and a complete waste of money and manpower. What is it supposed to do: prevent terrorists from planting bombs on CTA trains?

    Or catch them transporting explosives for future use? On the El?

    Scattered random testing and surveillance can catch (and therefore also deter) bad actors, but only if they don't know where and when it's being done.

    I can think of numerous easy ways to defeat this measure, but no way it could ever be useful - unless some really dumb terrorist walks straight into it.

    Just A Civilian (who thinks thinks the CPD has neither people nor dollars to waste on this).

    10/25/2014 03:07:00 AM  
    Blogger Shikahgho Aga said...

    wow! this is going beyond probable cause. I knew something strange was going on when I was randomly stopped on 35th redline by k9 guards asking to see folks bus/ventra cards once you entered through. lucky my upass had my face on it...

    10/25/2014 03:41:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous said:
    I also heard they were going to test your temperature with a rectal thermometer.

    10/25/2014 01:24:00 AM

    Rectal Thermometer is only for ACLU personnel.

    10/25/2014 07:31:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Are they fishing for Jihadists with bombs? or legal Concealed carry using a backpack to container carry to work ?
    in my training I was told that was a legal option

    10/25/2014 07:31:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    And the stupid young kids like the one on ABC 10:00 news last night explaining this, will go along with it and lock someone up for not obeying the state simply to keep his spot or make some time and one half.

    10/25/2014 07:36:00 AM  
    Blogger Unknown said...

    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    A Mass Transit Commander got dumped for suggesting this a few years back. What changed?

    10/25/2014 12:29:00 AM
    *********************************
    Now that is a really stupid question. Hey, at least this is a start and will most likely be subject to change. Perhaps eventually there will be a form of TSA screening CTA passengers.

    10/25/2014 07:36:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Be sure to wear your running shoes! Because when Pookie walks up and sees Da Poleece checking bags; he gonna run! Over the years the CTA has been used to transport quantities of drugs and firearms to different parts of the City because gangbangers riding on the trains with contraband have less chance of being stopped than if they attempted to transport the same items via automobile. This tactic may have a negative economic impact on some communities.

    10/25/2014 08:02:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    How about the officers put on this useless dumbass TSA detail are put to work looking for scumbags shooting at people and holding them up instead?

    10/25/2014 08:26:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    There is no way that any responsible citizen should participate in this stupid hassling of commuters in the name of "safety." Police officers should refuse these assignments because, ladies and gentlemen, you'll be obliged to harass businessmen in suits and nice old grandmotherly church ladies and tourists with kids, lest you be accused of racial profiling.

    The danger of my actually ever getting injured in a terrorist attack in Chicago is hysterically exaggerated; the odds of such an occurrence injuring any particular individual here are vanishingly small. If this turns out to be the sort of negative Lotto I "win," I can live (and would die, if necessary) with that: I would rather be blown up by some drooling moron 'jihadi' than live in a country where these kinds of "stops" are tolerated.

    If stopped, I will refuse to cooperate. I will be polite. I hope you won't arrest me. I will move on to the next train station and go home. If arrested, I will sue.

    On the other hand, SCC, I welcome you and your colleagues to the subway platforms. Feel free to be present in numbers. Police in uniform are a great deterrent to all sorts of mischief. Just one thing... where will all of you come from?

    10/25/2014 08:28:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    This is a trick to gin up CRs, false arrests and lawsuits for Loevy n Loevy. DO NOT arrest anyone without probable cause!

    10/25/2014 08:31:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    If the city has any brains they could at least pass an ordinance that makes it illegal to be on CTA property while having explosive residue on yourself or your property.

    This would protect the police AND give us P.C.

    10/25/2014 08:47:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    if the searches are random and the person to be searched has the option to leave the station without being searched - they walk in see the checkpoint and choose to walk back out - then it is not a violation of anyones 4th amendment rights. there are a lot of federal court cases touching on this subject now. - Macwade v Kelly is basically the same program in NYC - NYC police won the case.

    10/25/2014 08:56:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Wait a minuet.

    Why not just put up a No Explosive sign up. Something similar to the No Firearm sign.

    That should just scare the Bejesus out of those wishing to do harm to the CTA riders.

    10/25/2014 09:02:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    So according to the logic on here you can also refuse to have your bag screened at the airport. Cta is private property therefore they can di tact the rules you have to follow to ride. Therefore you do not need probable cause to search bags.

    10/25/2014 09:16:00 AM  
    Blogger Valiant Knight said...

    Just so everyone knows...the "bomb tech" unit, who I imagine would be the ones responding to "positive" hits, knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about this process. They were not consulted before this process was designed nor has it been since it hit the news

    10/25/2014 09:36:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hi SCC n Kids. 10 G here. I've heard grumblings that I don't get my picks in early enough so some of you gals and guys can take advantage so called my plays in early. I feel I'm in mid-season form picking up 39 large in NFL Week 7. Let's get ready for our Feb Cruise. I digress. I placed 10 large on the OVER 47 in Lions-Falcon game. Early kickoff. In London. Also 10 large on Minn +2 and a hook over TB. Bucs n Lovestick suck. And finally 10 large on the UNDER 50 in Pats game. Speaking of sucking Cutler is the epitome. Get used to him fans and your high ticket prices. Jaybird the slouch has a huge contract for yrs. The mope wouldn't even be a backup on some NFL teams. WOW!

    10/25/2014 09:39:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Wait until the lawsuit for illegal search and seizure of Ventra cards comes down. Thanks to Governor Quinn thousands of free passes floating around. Not being used for work or school, being sold for a drink or a smoke.

    10/25/2014 09:44:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Answer your calls, nothing more....

    10/25/2014 10:01:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Umm... How about stopping the turnstile jumping first?

    10/25/2014 10:15:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    My computer bag does double duty as my range bag. Do I go to jail?

    10/25/2014 10:18:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Small price to pay in order to avoid John Q Haji Mohammad from blowing you up. If you think they are not here then you are wrong. 13 years later and everyone forgets. I agree there are kinks, like if a person refuses, wtf then. You will stop your baby whining about civil rights when arms and legs get blown off at The Ohare blue line, or downtown God forbid. Deal with it, it's the new America. So tired of liberal mentality it sickens me.
    -Copper and OIF vet

    10/25/2014 10:22:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Well, this isn't too hard to figure out. If the number of the day is check every 8th passenger then the terrorists just run through a dozen consecutive terrorists in a line with explosive material and one or two of them are denied a ride. The rest get through. Jeez, even Moe, Larry and Curly can figure that one out.

    /satire

    10/25/2014 10:33:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    29 and a day said...
    one asshole from the ACLU is already hinting at a lawsuit because he thinks black males will be disproportionately targeted by this. He warns the city to keep meticulous records of who they stop who they deny access to etc. What a POS

    10/25/2014 01:15:00 AM


    What if they setup at 95th and the Dan Ryan and 100% of the CTA passengers are black and 100% of those picked are therefor black. And then the ACLU cries PROFILING! They must require an equal number of Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Polackos, Chinamen and Israelis also go to 95th and the Dan Ryan.

    10/25/2014 10:37:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Maybe if the bomb sniffing cpd canine dogs assigned to mass transit actually were taken out of the car and brought down to cta el stations to do checks we wouldn't need random bag checking. Isn't that their job useless waste of money clout spot

    10/25/2014 10:41:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    If passengers set their bag down on their recently fertilized lawn it will test positive for explosives. That is why TV crews coming through O'Hare always have their cameras unpacked and carried by the cameramen. They set those cameras down on those bright green NFL football fields etc. and all those fields are heavily fertilized and most of those cameras test positive for explosives. Not explosive laden but rather Scotts Turf Builder.

    10/25/2014 10:42:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    What happens if the mope refuses to have his bag checked and sets it off at the police table? Wouldn't plainclothes cops with bomb dogs be a better technique? Customs uses a similar concept at the airports for dogs and agricultural products.

    10/25/2014 10:48:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    By the time unit 704 sets these devices up won't it be time to go home ? Those 4 hr shifts must be a bitch....

    10/25/2014 10:55:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    What will happen to the guy FOID carrying in a bag or briefcase?

    10/25/2014 10:59:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Makes people feel better like those temperature guns used to screen for Ebola . . . and just as effective. Security by theater

    10/25/2014 11:05:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Keating was seen riding a Segway on the third rail yesterday chasing a Ventra card blowing away in the subway.

    10/25/2014 11:12:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It would not be a violation of your civil rights if CTA stated that a search would be performed on anyone seeking to use their service. If it was a condition of using public transportation it would be no different than flying. The real problem is that we don't have enough manpower on the streets much less enough to cover public transportation

    10/25/2014 11:15:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Don't look for this City and Dept. to back up Officers when the Civil Rights lawsuits start coming down!

    NEVER trust Government!

    10/25/2014 11:23:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    If passengers decline to participate in the screening, they will be denied entry and could be arrested under the officer’s discretion, authorities said.

    WOW! This will be a money maker for me, as I retired last year and am now on a fixed income. CTA here I come carrying a big old bag which I will certainly refuse to be swabbed, lock me up guys, I'll just sue the CTA and CPD. I'll even give ya 10% after!!

    10/25/2014 12:04:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    google nypd torch teams.

    10/25/2014 12:14:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    just another way to trick bag an officer.

    10/25/2014 12:15:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    White Shirts will have their usual excuse:"We never gave them(Blue Shirts) permission or directed them to do that!". Yeah,we will get thrown in front of oncoming CTA Train when the lawsuits come down..

    10/25/2014 12:47:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    What a WASTE of police resources!!!

    What if someone had M80s in their bag a year ago and lived out of state?? Is he charged with a crime form have small residue on the bag??

    Will these searches take place in ghetto areas?? or just tax paying areas?

    WHAT A WASTE OF POLICE RESOURCES !!!

    10/25/2014 01:01:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It is your right and your duty to refuse an illegal order. These acts violate the 4th Amendment, illegal search, and the 8th Amendment, unencumbered movement. "I was only following orders" to keep my job, to kiss command ass, because I like the power trip, is no defense to a criminal act. Should you choose to participate in these atrocities in the name of security and control enjoy your new designation as the Chicago Gestapo Department. Remember when on the side of your cars it read "To Serve And Protect". The U.S. Supreme Court killed that thought, but maybe, just maybe that idea has a flicker of hope within you. Those of you that stand to enforce the law have a duty to those of us who hope to be protected by the law. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin

    10/25/2014 01:12:00 PM  
    Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

    Nancy Lipman is ten times the police officer her ex-husband was.

    10/25/2014 01:24:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Sorry guys but not a violation of any rights. Any and all persons are subject to a search while on any cta property. If you refuse you can be told to leave the property and denied further access.

    10/25/2014 01:52:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Easy way to screw this up, get some Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer pellets and grind them up, dust the bag....voila, automatic positive...have fun running this program with dozens of positive's an hour and everyone of them denying permission to search and not being allowed on the train....

    10/25/2014 03:12:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Better make sure to screen for whack jobs carrying socks full of shit. We wouldn't want the shit sock bandit to strike again, would we? That would be bad for tourists, the few that are still stupid enough to visit Chiraq.

    10/25/2014 04:42:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The detectors contain a small amount of nickel-65 if they are using the MMTD ones in the Trib picture. (15 mCi per tester according to the website). Who is to say that the officers at the detection station won't be the target? Instant dirty bomb. Not enough radioactivity to cause a lot of harm, but enough to need a response which will freak people out.

    10/25/2014 04:47:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I'm going to stop every blond yuppie carrying a Starbucks I see. I can see me and my kids getting harassed.

    10/25/2014 05:29:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Another waste of time and money. I am sure Jihadist Akbar will volunteer to have his bag checked by cops. Is this supposed to make the CTA customers feel safer?
    *****************
    I just hope the stinky goat fucker takes a shower first before having any contact with him/her!

    10/25/2014 05:52:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Can't wait to see the clout babies in this unit. Four hour days weekends off sure they will catch many terrorists. This job this city and this state is beyond being awoke anymore.

    10/25/2014 06:40:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Heh...

    Rahm's feeb sources must've broken the surface to whisper in his ear...

    He's banking on them to keep him advises so he can continue not hiring and placing this city at risk for a political talking point of "Getting tough against unionized public safety" and other such.

    10/25/2014 07:20:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It's sad how many Po's don't know the law. No wonder we get screwed at contract time. No wonder many can't articulate probable cause or even write a correct case report. Cta property is not public property. So for all you idiots saying oh don't stop anyone or search anyone shut up already. We get it your dog asses and look for excuses not to do anything.

    10/25/2014 07:25:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...


    They're gonna start with explosives residue test in order to desensitize the public with the process.

    Next week they can break out the thermometers for Ebola.

    10/25/2014 07:51:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    More total bullshit. Forest Claypool is an ass sucking toady that sucks the clinkers out of Rahms dainty asshole and those of Mumbles Daley before that.

    A total waste of money and manpower. Better to have bomb dogs and handlers just observe the passing crowd and see if the dogs alerts. Have a nice checkerboard vest for the dog that says in clear and large letters BOMB DOG and see who does a double take and heads out. Then turn Fido loose.

    10/25/2014 08:24:00 PM  
    Blogger sean donnellan said...

    We called that swab X-Spray in Iraq, 95% of the time false positives. We also learned quick when you post a stagnant check point bad guys go the other way. Might as well be a counter-mobility obstacle because all it does is hinder movement of valuable assets (CPD detail, force multipliers pulled off other duties for false positives).

    10/25/2014 08:30:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Sounds like old technology bought with federal dollars for a dog and pony show. There explosives, i.e. not nitrate based that are not detectable with this type of instrument.

    10/25/2014 09:12:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The issue here isn't whether or not POs have the right to request a search.

    The issue here is the implication that someone who refuses can be arrested 'for whatever', strongly implying that you should gin something up to arrest anyone who does not consent to a search.

    Go ahead. Give it a whirl. They usually only brick pensions 20%-25% in the civil recovery, so you'll still have most of it to spend on retirement.

    10/25/2014 09:43:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous said...
    It is your right and your duty to refuse an illegal order. These acts violate the 4th Amendment, illegal search, and the 8th Amendment, unencumbered movement. "I was only following orders" to keep my job, to kiss command ass, because I like the power trip, is no defense to a criminal act. Should you choose to participate in these atrocities in the name of security and control enjoy your new designation as the Chicago Gestapo Department. Remember when on the side of your cars it read "To Serve And Protect". The U.S. Supreme Court killed that thought, but maybe, just maybe that idea has a flicker of hope within you. Those of you that stand to enforce the law have a duty to those of us who hope to be protected by the law. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin

    10/25/2014 01:12:00 PM


    Oh fuck you. Ride a fucking bicycle to work. CTA is private property. 4th amendment does not protect abdul carrying explosives on private property on public transportation. Watch, the same asshole who quotes Ben Franklin will run to Loevy & Loevy to sue if so much as a fingernail is injured in a bombing. "The CTA failed to take proper precautions to prevent the bombing which injured Mr. Aloysius Q. Fartsmeller."

    10/25/2014 11:17:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The cold, flu, and Ebola season is approaching. Be alert for explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting.

    10/25/2014 11:50:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    If passengers decline to participate in the screening, they will be denied entry and could be arrested under the officer’s discretion, authorities said.

    Based upon WHAT probable cause exactly?

    This fishing expedition won't withstand any facial scrutiny. You don't have to participate in this crap.

    So long as you're not wanted for something, you only have to give your name to the cop. Then if they have nothing to detain you on - you leave. Buh bye.

    If you're wanted on something, you don't even have to give your name. If they're not detaining you, you leave. See ya...

    Sorry, but people have private papers and effects in their bags. That some nitwit MIGHT have an explosive, or a weapon? That's the risk of living in a FREE society. Not worth giving up our liberty to engage in this worthless Security Theater, because Walla Wackado doesn't need to get on the train at a station to engage in their craziness... Plenty of tunnels and ways into them - just dress like a homeless, and you're virtually invisible.

    10/25/2014 11:54:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It is your right and your duty to refuse an illegal order. These acts violate the 4th Amendment, illegal search, and the 8th Amendment, unencumbered movement. "I was only following orders" to keep my job, to kiss command ass, because I like the power trip, is no defense to a criminal act. Should you choose to participate in these atrocities in the name of security and control enjoy your new designation as the Chicago Gestapo Department. Remember when on the side of your cars it read "To Serve And Protect". The U.S. Supreme Court killed that thought, but maybe, just maybe that idea has a flicker of hope within you. Those of you that stand to enforce the law have a duty to those of us who hope to be protected by the law. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin

    10/25/2014 01:12:00 PM

    cta is a private entity, you don't want to follow the rules then don't ride the train, or fly in an airplane. i wish they'd run the cta like the airport...

    10/26/2014 01:10:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I hope cops wake up and stop participating in BS like this.

    The entire point is that the government wants to create fear and get people conditioned to living in a police-state environment.

    It's impossible to have a police state if the police refuse to participate.

    10/26/2014 01:49:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    If the CTA is private property then why are Chicago Police Officers (government agents )administrating this program? And why are my tax dollars being used to fund the CTA if it's a private entity?

    10/26/2014 07:56:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous said...
    I hope cops wake up and stop participating in BS like this.

    The entire point is that the government wants to create fear and get people conditioned to living in a police-state environment.

    It's impossible to have a police state if the police refuse to participate.

    10/26/2014 01:49:00 AM


    Stop participating? Then what genius? Get fired? Oh yeah, this is not the bagel and coffee emporium or ad agency. It is a police department and we are expected to obey orders. Stop participating, that's good. Carry protest signs to the locker room perhaps also.

    10/26/2014 09:15:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous said...
    The issue here isn't whether or not POs have the right to request a search.

    The issue here is the implication that someone who refuses can be arrested 'for whatever', strongly implying that you should gin something up to arrest anyone who does not consent to a search.

    Go ahead. Give it a whirl. They usually only brick pensions 20%-25% in the civil recovery, so you'll still have most of it to spend on retirement.

    10/25/2014 09:43:00 PM


    Police Pensions are not brickable for on the job shit. Immune by state law. Go call your brickayer.


    Hey SCC, how come you are letting so much obvious non-police trash on your blog? I AM the police and if I dare mention global warming I won't see that comment ever. But let some office hand from Loevy & Loevy post shit and they get right on through.

    How about a closed blog. Anonymous post after clearing active and retired PO's and other LEO's first? I know, more work. Better than reading the liberal shit you have been allowing in.

    10/26/2014 09:22:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I hope cops wake up and stop participating in BS like this.

    The entire point is that the government wants to create fear and get people conditioned to living in a police-state environment.

    It's impossible to have a police state if the police refuse to participate.

    10/26/2014 01:49:00 AM



    Obviously your not a cop.
    Using your premise and a cop refuses to "participate"
    All the supervisor has to do is order the officer to do this.

    10/26/2014 10:19:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "We called that swab X-Spray in Iraq, 95% of the time false positives. We also learned quick when you post a stagnant check point bad guys go the other way. Might as well be a counter-mobility obstacle because all it does is hinder movement of valuable assets (CPD detail, force multipliers pulled off other duties for false positives)."

    10/25/2014 08:30:00 PM

    Get some vapor trail dogs in there. Really effective, so I've heard -- but there are probably not very many in the whole U.S. Would portal scanners be a better way to fly, if there is considered to be a serious threat?

    The bad part is "How do you stop the f___er from pushing the button?" A perfect brain stem shot might do it but it better not be on Grandma with her box of Miracle Gro.

    The whole thing seems no longer connected to any particular action or inaction on the part of the United States. It's operating on its own steam -- just the ancient "Allah or the sword" now -- sometimes "Allah and the sword anyway."

    With every deinstitutionalized "community-based treatment" mental joining in, of course...town of Tinley Park is moving to buy the now-closed mental health center property, over 200 acres as I recall...

    Hell of a mess, huh?



    10/26/2014 10:36:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I'd think more about that POS CTA Transit system simply falling apart on it's own. It's old, outdated and well overdue for another failure on it's own accord.

    10/26/2014 11:11:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    To add to your list of questions:

    -- Who is Nancy Lipman and what qualifies her for this position?

    Sued the city and was awarded a big check and captains rank with back seniority. Her ex husband Bruce just retired as a Lt. Lots more to this story....

    10/26/2014 12:05:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    wow they are screening at this station. get on at the next one KaBoom!! LOL what a waste of time.

    10/26/2014 12:09:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Because out of all the crime and violence in Chicago, the biggest problem is bombs on public transit.

    Naught for nothing, but playing TSA (roughing up WW2 veterans and white babies in strollers) isn't going to lower the body count by 1.

    If you dared to actually ONLY search those that fit the demographic of someone who would blow themselves up to prove a point, you'd have so many agencies up your arse you'd be shitting alphabet soup for a year.

    How about this. If we are really supposed to be worried about foreign national extremists planning attacks on our soil why do we import them by the thousands, put them up in free housing, and pay them to breed? Why aren't our borders protected? Try not to think too hard about this one.... the answers you come up with are likely to be unpleasant.

    10/26/2014 12:45:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I used these machines at O'Hare in the export office of my airline, I doubt they've gotten any better over the years.

    All kinds of false positives pop up. Lipstick, for whatever reason, always seemed to give a printout telling us it was semtex.

    Another program under the guise of making us all safer, doing anything but.

    10/26/2014 05:03:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I can just see all the mumbling and braid wearing dog asses that work mass transit axing some rider to look at their bag. these mutts don't even want to get on a train for a simple check let along have them stand in a station for a few hours, this job has deteriorated to the point of embarrassment at the highest level, I'm so glad I did my time and now retired. Stay Safe out there.

    10/26/2014 06:15:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "Using your premise and a cop refuses to "participate"
    All the supervisor has to do is order the officer to do this."

    The old just following orders defense. If you were "ordered" to herd up all the Jews and put them into camps would you do it?

    So what's the price tag you put on your oath to uphold the law and the fundamental principals of our republic? A lower-middle class paycheck and a pension that may or may not be looted?

    You are a coward and a traitor if you will knowingly undermine the supreme law of the land for fear of losing your job.

    I guess this is just a case of "as above so below" and at any level of public service job security, money, and prestige in the company trumps any sort of principals and morality is always negotiable for a price.

    10/26/2014 11:34:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    What's that, TOSPOT Special starting up again? Damn, I retired too early. When TOSPOT ended and no O'Hare special I figured the hell with it, I wasn't sticking around just to push a beat car around for straight time. The hell with VRI. I did work that Saturday night Special where I always caught the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th District. I went back to 019 and told the complainers to kiss the ground at Belmont & Western or else do some tours over at the old Englewood. I didn't mind it because they usually stuck me on a wagon. But out there in 004 and 007 etc. the wagon gets jobs like a beat car, or they did. One night in 004 we caught 28 radio jobs, three paper jobs, one transport and an arrest. In 019 they would go IOD if they ever got that much work in a night. And that was the wagon! Those districts move. Oh and a 10-1 in 006 that went out Citywide, "Anyone available for this 10-1?" and I could hear the officers calling for help sounding like Custer's last stand. Different world out south.

    10/27/2014 01:40:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Obviously some old timer ingenuity is needed on these screenings. Tell people you are screening for knock off bags from Hong Kong and if you find any they are eligible for free gift certificates from Macy's if they turn the bag in to Macy's for a free exchange.

    I figure it makes the job easier and I don't like Macy's anyway so fuck 'em.

    10/27/2014 02:22:00 AM  
    Blogger I Voted For Obama said...

    "...different world out south..."

    It made me the man I am today.

    10/27/2014 05:14:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    If passengers decline to participate in the screening, they will be denied entry and could be arrested under the officer’s discretion, authorities said.

    Based upon WHAT probable cause exactly?

    This fishing expedition won't withstand any facial scrutiny. You don't have to participate in this crap.

    So long as you're not wanted for something, you only have to give your name to the cop. Then if they have nothing to detain you on - you leave. Buh bye.

    If you're wanted on something, you don't even have to give your name. If they're not detaining you, you leave. See ya...

    Sorry, but people have private papers and effects in their bags. That some nitwit MIGHT have an explosive, or a weapon? That's the risk of living in a FREE society. Not worth giving up our liberty to engage in this worthless Security Theater, because Walla Wackado doesn't need to get on the train at a station to engage in their craziness... Plenty of tunnels and ways into them - just dress like a homeless, and you're virtually invisible.

    Okay Mr Street Lawyer,

    CPD is on CTA property by specific request. As such since CTA is Private Pay to Use property, PC requirements are Lower than a public way or at home in your mom's basement.

    10/27/2014 02:35:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...


    To add to your list of questions:

    -- Who is Nancy Lipman and what qualifies her for this position?

    Sued the city and was awarded a big check and captains rank with back seniority. Her ex husband Bruce just retired as a Lt. Lots more to this story....

    *************

    She sued and won in a case where an African American Capt whose name escapes me dumped her and other white officers from certain positions, replacing them with black officers in 002. They filed a discrimination suit and got paid. Not back pay, damages. And not because of the jobs that they were dumped from, but because the moron racist Capt did it because of race. Lipman made Captain the way they all do nowadays..put in a resume', have a friend. Shes a good person, watches ou t for her people and is fair to all.

    As to her being a better cop than her ex hubby? No doubt. The now retired bruce was a lump. Got rank and treated people like dogshit. A complete tool.

    10/27/2014 02:49:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Wait until items start disappearing from peoples bags.

    Let the sideshow begin!

    10/29/2014 08:29:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    If the CTA is private property then why are Chicago Police Officers (government agents )administrating this program? And why are my tax dollars being used to fund the CTA if it's a private entity?

    10/26/2014 07:56:00 AM

    Another dipshit. It's not a government owned company but gets support and funding from the G. When the police are assigned to that unit, along with the airport, the money is given back to the city by department of aviation and department of transportation costs. Same goes for overtime, special, all that. So go shine somewhere else.

    10/31/2014 03:07:00 PM  

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