Wednesday, October 29, 2014

FOP Sues Over CR List

  • The union representing Chicago’s rank-and-file police officers has filed an injunction against the city and police department, asking a judge to halt the city from turning over records of police misconduct to the Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune until the records can be reviewed.

    The motion for injunctive relief was filed Tuesday in Cook County Circuit Court.

    On Thursday, the city notified the Fraternal Order of Police that lists “‘containing information related to complaints lodged against officers’ covering the time period between January 1, 1967 to the present” would be released to reporters from the two newspapers on Oct. 31, according to the filing.

    However, the union argues that the most recent collective bargaining agreement precludes the city from turning over any such records because they should have been destroyed after no more than seven years.
This should have been on the radar months ago when these lists began to be released. Not Sustained, Unfounded and Exonerated should be or should have been wiped clean years ago. We can understand Sustained cases being contained in personnel files - those cover our entire careers. Once your career is over, there ought to be a sunset provision for destroying even the Sustained cases. And when you pass on to your heavenly reward (or eternal damnation), the files ought to be deleted, too.

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87 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope they are successful, but I would not hold my breath. The police have no friends in the civil court system or the political system . Not in this state for sure but not in many other states as well.

10/29/2014 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great! Now it looks like everyone is covering it up.

10/29/2014 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am going to find a lawyer and sue the FOP and/or Dan Herbert. Watch and see these fucks gave the Sun Times a not sustained non abuse CR file from 2003. I was not on the CR list and the time frame does not meet the court ordered period allowed and now these gucks go to court for an injunction.

10/29/2014 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Governments never ever destroy anything and they never forget and forgive.

10/29/2014 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this advocacy for records privacy/sunsetting extend to arrested persons, too?

10/29/2014 04:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unrelated....

Thank you Father Dan Brandt for your time yesterday. I feel like a new man!

10/29/2014 04:38:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Damn straight. That crap should have been deleted years ago.

10/29/2014 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to go with a Federal lawsuit in Crook County. Every judge in this county is bought and paid for by the Democrat machine. These county judges won't go against the city.

10/29/2014 06:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets take the hit. By bet is 90+% of the people on the multiple bad CR list are deeply connected to the machine and have been meritoriously promoted.

10/29/2014 06:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm told the FOP they could do it to assume the guise that they are for us and in our corner. Dean gave that sorry ass politician the contract Rahm wanted so a bone was thrown Dean's way. Notice that Dean nor any other FOP member's berate the mayor in any form or fashion. notice the same for Fioretti and the new hispanic lackey now in the race. They do NOT CRITICIZE THE MAYOR NOR MENTION HIM BY NAME. Compare Quinn and Rauner. Hell Oberweiss and Durbin. The fix is in. Get the lube ready cause when Rauner wins we, Da poleece are gonna really get FUCKED.
OH YEAH, someone mentioned that Charlie Williams will be the next Sup OF POLICE. DING DINGK DING. BET ON IT!! He was told to abide his time as Streets and San Chief. He has and he will be made.

10/29/2014 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Suntimes: police union fight to keep misconduct files secret.

WHAT THE FUCK?

How about "police union fights for contract rights" or "police union stands up for membership: city willfully breaches contract" or "police union fights to keep frivolous claims from tarnishing officers' reputation"

Did the scum-times just give us all standing to sue them for slander? Easy to prove the CR not sustained/unfounded/exonerated files are NOT misconduct... Time to start taking it back to these assholes

10/29/2014 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cooter said. If the run the lawsuit like the FOP. We lost What does the FOP and the police dept have in common. Everything. The both hate the police

10/29/2014 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get a copy of the Personnel Records Act.
You'll find that the city and the media violated the
rights of every officer on that cr list.
That Bond v Utreras case will not shield the city or media from liability. There is no reason to indefinitely keep cr records unless of serious criminal nature.
The named officers are going to prevail in long run
City better open their check books

10/29/2014 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know if the P.O.'s are aware of this, but I would like to tell you how tilted and unfair this system is. Let m e start by saying this, I am a Sgt. and have only been one a short time, however I have investigated a number of CR's which have all been bullshit and I have been able to get rid of all of them so far. The problem I have is when the complainant signs the letter of declination the CR investigation should stop there, well let mw tell you this it does not. IAD and or IPRA want us to identify the Officer(s) involved, even though the number is dead. Now you say that's no big deal because they signed the letter, the issue becomes that you are identified and when these scumbag lawyers file a FOIA request they get your dead CR number with your name attached and they put you in the paper with the rest of the Officers. This needs to change, I have asked my Command staff and all they can tell me is that's how they want it (meaning IAD), that's a great answer because IAD can't answer it either. This needs to be brought to the attention of the FOP, I was on the lists that came out and I will be on the new list as well. Does it bother me, yes and no, yes because normal people in the neighborhood who aren't the Police may look at us like some rogue Cops, and no because we all know they are bullshit. The bottom line is when these complainants sign the declination letter or fail to sign the affidavit the number should die right there naming no one, but it doesn't, it names us which is hardly fair.

10/29/2014 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is something they should have had a part of the contract since the inception of the 5 (7) year limit..The contract does not say destroy..And everyone has always known the courts get EVERY complaint made against you whether unfounded, no affidavit, etc....when you are sued civilly. Yet, they have done nothing to stop it....
Asshats the bunch of them...

10/29/2014 08:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is it in court you can not bring up the offenders past history until he or she are convicted of something and then only the convictions not the arrests?

10/29/2014 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don't understand - the contract prevents the use of disciplinary files in determining new penalties, it doesn't require that the city destroy older files.

10/29/2014 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

records of police misconduct to the Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune

Notice how the word "alleged" is not included in that sentence.The press thinks that every complaint against an officer is valid and true.

10/29/2014 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just some more smoke and mirrors. The union doesn't give a shit as long as they have a paycheck on payday.

10/29/2014 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just A Citizen Says: This REALLY pisses me off. If the "powers that be" think it's perfectly acceptable to drag your skeletons out of the closet, then let's do it to EVERYONE. Every single priest, athlete, politician, teacher, government employee, business owner. Why stop there? Why not open every single county access portal to any and every court record in this county and make everything public knowledge? I am so sick and tired of all of you getting picked on and yelled at and abused and attacked. Doesn't ANYONE with a brain realize that without all of you, those filthy cockroaches I see crawling off the red line would be inside my apartment, standing over me with a gun or a knife? Stupid mother-fucking assholes, leave all of you alone let you do you job without some dick, every other day, nit-picking, nagging and trying to make your life more of a hell than it already is dealing with the fucktards that are called the "disadvantaged of Chicago"

10/29/2014 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does this advocacy for records privacy/sunsetting extend to arrested persons, too?

10/29/2014 04:01:00 AM

Yes it does, only convictions can be released to the public or introduced into court

10/29/2014 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't get out from under the City's thumb even in the afterlife.

10/29/2014 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck dean Angelo.

10/29/2014 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this advocacy for records privacy/sunsetting extend to arrested persons, too?

Anyone arrested can have his record expunged if the circumstances allow. That's pretty common knowledge. You should really try to control your bleeding heart. It's obviously depriving your brain of much needed blood flow.

10/29/2014 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unrelated....

Thank you Father Dan Brandt for your time yesterday. I feel like a new man!


He's the best.

10/29/2014 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I am going to find a lawyer and sue the FOP and/or Dan Herbert. Watch and see these fucks gave the Sun Times a not sustained non abuse CR file from 2003. I was not on the CR list and the time frame does not meet the court ordered period allowed and now these gucks go to court for an injunction.

10/29/2014 01:16:00 AM

Too late. Theere is no right or wrong list. Judge allowed anything from 1967 to be made available. Deal with it.

10/29/2014 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's our union. Right on top of things....NOT!

10/29/2014 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No need to worry The News Letter Presidents Report will address this with run on sentences, non-sequiturs and jibberish.
This from a Calumet College Professor,that speaks volumes

10/29/2014 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

I just posted this comment on the Sun-Times: .......

>>>>>>>> Releasing records of police officers going back to 1967 is ridiculous. It serves no purpose whatsoever:
--- a) Not a single officer who was on the force in '67 would still be a cop today; 1967 is 47 years ago for those who can't do math.
--- b) Most coppers from '67 would likely be deceased today. So what good does having their file do? Answer, None.
--- c) For folks not paying attention, Police procedures/tactics have 'changed a bit'(/s) from 47 years ago.

Bottom line, you cannot compare something that was a minor complaint in '67, but which might might be a major one today and get you fired. That's not even like comparing apples and oranges, but comparing apples and.....Orangutans. <<<<<<<<

Undoubtedly some of Chicago's finest Moonbat Cop Haters will be replying to my posting at the Slum-Times. There's also no doubt that in true Libtard fashion they'll embarrass themselves by their stupidity when they do. That is, to anyone with a brain.

10/29/2014 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is this list?

10/29/2014 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey scc, it's old but maybe you could post this for the rauner bashers... It's been circulating in email chains the past couple of days but it's pretty old.

http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2014/04/15/rauner-wants-special-deal-police-firefighter-pensions

10/29/2014 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unrelated, but a brother in blue is passing this along from Texas: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/29/6240503/robbery-suspect-shot-to-death.html

Elderly male with Concealed Handgun License smokes the would-be robber.

I love Texas.

10/29/2014 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ot.... today in 012 I got to watch the crossing guard supervisor come in a late and leave early. Not only her but I watched one of the three time keepers doing the same thing. And let's not forget the intelligence officer coming in at 10 and leaving only after 3 hours of work. So contact cards not happening from me. Screw it. Y not hold one of these people accountable. Makes me sick after 20 years on this job to see 012 even worse now then it was before the merger. And to boot all these officers mentioned I love to see how many hours they have on the books. Cuz I no my time gets taken.

10/29/2014 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Emotionally traumatized ppo.

I am the ppo who asked "how do you cope with the negative, depressing, etc. scenes we see at work on a daily basis? I work in a busy district. I asked my fto and others and I received smart allick replies. GFY! I posted on this website and I received a lot of good advice. I want to thank you for your insights. I also found some officers at work who are helping me. That in itself is a relief. I approached my sgt. who is an easy going boss. He hooked me up with some other officers and by talking to them and learning how to cope with the emotional indignities of this job has helped.

To anyone who is in my boat, speak up and find experienced officers you can talk to. It helps out a lot. Don't listen to the negative coworkers.

10/29/2014 01:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whens the weekly pension marches start downtown?

10/29/2014 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come the media isn't interested in the list of names of lawyers who have made a very good living suing The Police cross referenced with their kick-backs in campaign contributions to keep their places at the municipal trough?

"Eff You, Copper... That's nunya business so sit down and STFU or else we'll c/r & litigate you until your life and finances are a flaming ruin. The nerve of you Chicago Cops expecting a fair shake!"

Clear eyed oversight is one thing... Giving over nearly 50 years of records in a "quest for fire" is quite another.

OK... It would seem that there are articulable reasons why the media wants all disciplinary files going back to 1967...

This has Rahm's sulfurous scent on it as if he put the newsies up on this with the understanding that he wouldn't fight the release of these records.

It is doubtful if the requesters of these records are old enough to have been around/have a point of reference from which they can make sound and unprejudiced judgement on what they hope to see.

It is also doubtful if the requesters have the native savvy and insight to "put it all together." it is perfectly clear that they have an agenda to hurt the people whom the vast majority thereof, served honorably and to the best of their ability as Chicago Policemen.

They want to judge past Policing practice by current rules of engagement and the current culture of liberal agenda driven political correctness coupled with the prevailing attitude of a trophy and ice cream for everybody because they thought The Cops were mean.

We think it was Leroy Martin, as big a buffoon he was, who said something along the lines of Policemen not being from Mars.

Sometimes. If you stick around long enough, you'll hear the wine-head or the fool utter a truth.

Amusing, this...

How about the list of the dirty chronic bogus c/r# generators who have dirtied-up good Policemen in order to deflect attention from their criminal doings?

Cross reference that list with the lawyers who have made a good living suing Policemen, then cross reference again to those lawyers who have made campaign contributions and have reaped great political benefits.

Heh...
It seems that The Police really are everyone's enemy.

If that's the case, The Police should adapt and govern themselves accordingly but too many selfish interests insure that we will never shake off the yoke of mere public servant/second class citizens just because we swore an oath, wear a shiny star and a suit of blue clothes.

It is as if they want Policemen to just shut up and go away...

Funny... The people are ok with the naked venality and criminality of Chicago's corporate sponsored municipal government and the nodding acquiescence if not nigh near criminal complicity and energetic looking the other way as an affirmative defense stratagem by the local media.

It seems that Policing in Chicago has been intentionally driven over the edge into the abyss of lost causes for the sake of sheer fuckery.

...And for what?

RANT: ON/(OFF)

10/29/2014 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Remember when Donahue threw Capparelli out of the office because he was not working a full day? Wonder if Angelo put a time clock in just for him? Everyone should start call Washington Blvd. and ask for John Capparelli by name just after 0800 hours and just before 1600 hours. Let's see if he changed his ways.

10/29/2014 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just pay me!

I'll settle give me 24 hours on the book for each CR they post.

They should also post the complainants info also and the rap sheet with the files then the public will throw a fit also.

Rahm i'm all about being transparent so let me see all your records too.
And why not release all the merit picks and who put them in?
Or does Rahm not want this list out.
The FOP should put a FOIA for the merit list and force the city to make a decision to hide the clouted thus helping our case.

So what do you think DR DEAN!?
You have all the degrees and those great reps working hard for the D-5 pay.

10/29/2014 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No info about secret TIF funds, crooked contracts and other shady deals but no problem with turning over false complaints that were not sustained and the impact on current and/or retired members and their families.

10/29/2014 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"records of police misconduct to the Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune

Notice how the word "alleged" is not included in that sentence.The press thinks that every complaint against an officer is valid and true.

10/29/2014 08:49:00 AM"

STFU They bothered to endorse Rauner didn't they? Makes them our kind of People, end of story.
Gadsden UP!!

10/29/2014 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Messrs Novak and Gorner,I know you are reading this you dorks, did you file FOIAs for complaints made against Teachers, Firefighters, Streets and Sanitation workers, Lawyers etc or is it just complaints made against law enforcement members that make you all tingly inside ?

10/29/2014 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Ot.... today in 012 I got to watch the crossing guard supervisor come in a late and leave early. Not only her but I watched one of the three time keepers doing the same thing. And let's not forget the intelligence officer coming in at 10 and leaving only after 3 hours of work. So contact cards not happening from me. Screw it. Y not hold one of these people accountable. Makes me sick after 20 years on this job to see 012 even worse now then it was before the merger. And to boot all these officers mentioned I love to see how many hours they have on the books. Cuz I no my time gets taken.

10/29/2014 01:18:00 PM

____________________

Stop complaining. I work in the academy and it is worse at the academy. At least in 012, they are showing up for three hours. The privileged people at the academy get free days off. We do not have that many recruits going through the academy. Many people are doing absolutely no work at all.

10/29/2014 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard no one is ever at FOP let alone John Capparelli. This clan just wants a check.

10/29/2014 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know coppers on NYPD and LAPD and their agencies do not disclose what CPD is disclosing. What about ISP and other Illinois LE agencies, are they giving up complaints that did not result in discipline ?

10/29/2014 04:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: OT in 012--- I hear you brother. Same where I work. I like the part when they need a female for a search (in the fucking station) a run to 35th,e&s,lunch,coffee, area etc... If they were senior officers I would say God bless em, but most. YOU KNOW THE REST.

10/29/2014 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi 1:28 PM. Listen don't know if you're Male, Female, Black, White, Hispanic, Asian. Doesn't matter my Friend. Tough guys only out to try to impress themselves and their friends and co-workers. Works for a while but they retired and die a lonely death. Fun n games last only so long. Was OTJ 31 yrs and I had a good record. Good n bad assignments. Played the game but after all those yrs working side jobs and playing tuff copper I'm sitting here with my thang in my hand. LOL. Family first! Fuck talking to other tuff guy coppers. Their paycheck is same as yours. They are the ones who lead a lonely life at the end. Would love to chat over a cup of coffee-off the record. Many guys n Gals OTJ now are great. Don't resign. It is a great job. EAP is Great. But I will give advice or help if I can. Let SCC know and maybe meet at St. Mikes? Good luck and hang in there. It gets better. Too much time invested.

10/29/2014 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just some more smoke and mirrors. The union doesn't give a shit as long as they have a paycheck on payday.

10/29/2014 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And this amazes you how? Keep getting all that activity.

10/29/2014 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Emotionally traumatized ppo.

I am the ppo who asked "how do you cope with the negative, depressing, etc. scenes we see at work on a daily basis? I work in a busy district. I asked my fto and others and I received smart allick replies. GFY! I posted on this website and I received a lot of good advice. I want to thank you for your insights. I also found some officers at work who are helping me. That in itself is a relief. I approached my sgt. who is an easy going boss. He hooked me up with some other officers and by talking to them and learning how to cope with the emotional indignities of this job has helped.

To anyone who is in my boat, speak up and find experienced officers you can talk to. It helps out a lot. Don't listen to the negative coworkers.

Coworkers! Really. You don't belong here. Leave before you get someone hurt protecting your ass. People like you always freeze on the line. What the fuck did you think you were going to see and do? Is a j o b man. That's all. Just like nature the people you serve can smell weakness. If you took one home they would rob you, fuck your wife and daughter then kill all of you. I'm not being mean I'm being real. If you can't deal with it as a ppo, a time when you should be running and gunning with a let's go em attitude, then quit you didn't join the service. You don't want to be responsible for getting a Po hurt because if you do.....

10/29/2014 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT

Big news outta Ferguson

http://conservativetribune.com/breaking-officer-wilson-news/

10/29/2014 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares when capparelli comes and goes. You would be the first to bitch if your sgt made you stay for a formal check off. Next time run against him then you don't have to worry about him. But when you have to drop off and pick up your wife at the credit union I guess you have a lot of time thinking about what you would have done if McDonaugh didn't "steal your votes"

10/29/2014 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this mean we'll be getting paid or just an apology? And when do we get our retro?

10/29/2014 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stop coding out your jobs in a timely manner and complete AIRA reports in the same timely manner karma is no fun!

10/29/2014 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will they represent me? I was in Vietnam in 1967 and retired now. What a joke.

10/29/2014 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"They want to judge past Policing practice by current rules of engagement..."

10/29/2014 02:42:00 PM

True.
The Sun-Times, The Chicago Daily News, The Chicago Tribune and even Chicago Today used to run "Surrender or Die!" or similar such banners directed toward criminals who committed outrageous acts.

Let a publishing staff even entertain the notion of doing that in this politically correct, war against the police era.

It's easier and much less politically bloody to vilify cops.

Coppers are pretty much constrained from fighting back and exacting wholesale revenge against those pushing this slanted anti-police agenda.

Your individual and collective good names, good deeds and sacrifices have come to mean nothing now and the powers that be demand that you smile and laugh it all off or the public will think of you as greedy and selfish.

10/29/2014 09:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Ot.... today in 012 I got to watch the crossing guard supervisor come in a late and leave early. Not only her but I watched one of the three time keepers doing the same thing. And let's not forget the intelligence officer coming in at 10 and leaving only after 3 hours of work. So contact cards not happening from me. Screw it. Y not hold one of these people accountable. Makes me sick after 20 years on this job to see 012 even worse now then it was before the merger. And to boot all these officers mentioned I love to see how many hours they have on the books. Cuz I no my time gets taken.

10/29/2014 01:18:00 PM

Hey pal I got news for you. This goes on everywhere for the special. Stop by 019.

10/29/2014 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why doesn't FOP demand a retraction of the slanted and intentionally misleading article by the scum-times regarding this matter.

This is being misrepresented to the public as some great big smoking gun of institutional Police misconduct that FOP is trying to keep hidden by filing for injunctive relief.

Again... The "agenda" hinges on the employ of this kind of slippery syntax and weasel words to paint The Police in a negative light...

10/29/2014 09:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ando acknowledged that it doesn’t exactly engender public confidence when the Fraternal Order of Police sends its spokesman to the scene of a police-involved shooting to tell the officer’s side of the story and that's the only version the public hears until IPRA’s investigation is completed.

“It is kind of disconcerting to me that, sometimes the message that gets out there is, `We’ve looked at it and it’s a justified shooting’ when we are just there on the scene and beginning our investigation. It’s unfair to us,” Ando said.

“I would welcome that the superintendent as well as our [police] department get out there a little bit more… I really would like to see some more balance — both from the Police Department and from us relative to what the FOP comes out and says.”

Hey Ando GFY!!!!!!!!

10/29/2014 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

You don't understand - the contract prevents the use of disciplinary files in determining new penalties, it doesn't require that the city destroy older files.

10/29/2014 08:49:00 AM

All this does is add to low morale, less aggressive policing, more lack of trust, and a disservice to the honest citizen. It's name dragging with no purpose other than to make lawyers rich. More cops will just sit on their hands now.

10/29/2014 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous FTO Bob said...

It's a shame the way police officers alive ,dead,active,or retired are treated in this city.

Shame on the city and upper management for treating the coppers in this manner

It's really disgusting

10/29/2014 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does this mean we'll be getting paid or just an apology? And when do we get our retro?

10/29/2014 08:19:00 PM

City Council has to approve it first. They'll do it on the last day allowed by law.

10/29/2014 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well if they release this list they should include the name of the complaint and their IR number.

10/29/2014 11:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP doing the honorable thing and fighting for us?Lol..This is all smoke & mirrors and Kabuki Theater...Gotta make it look like Dean and his corrupt crew are doing their job..They are just going thru the motions...

10/30/2014 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Hey scc, it's old but maybe you could post this for the rauner bashers... It's been circulating in email chains the past couple of days but it's pretty old.

http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2014/04/15/rauner-wants-special-deal-police-firefighter-pensions

10/29/2014 11:20:00 AM

He just wants those votes to get elected.

He wants to cap the current system and then put everyone in a 401K.

His words.

10/30/2014 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Just A Citizen Says: This REALLY pisses me off. If the "powers that be" think it's perfectly acceptable to drag your skeletons out of the closet, then let's do it to EVERYONE. Every single priest, athlete, politician, teacher, government employee, business owner. Why stop there? Why not open every single county access portal to any and every court record in this county and make everything public knowledge? I am so sick and tired of all of you getting picked on and yelled at and abused and attacked. Doesn't ANYONE with a brain realize that without all of you, those filthy cockroaches I see crawling off the red line would be inside my apartment, standing over me with a gun or a knife? Stupid mother-fucking assholes, leave all of you alone let you do you job without some dick, every other day, nit-picking, nagging and trying to make your life more of a hell than it already is dealing with the fucktards that are called the "disadvantaged of Chicago"

10/29/2014 08:56:00 AM

Thank you. Your support for the Police is appreciated.

10/30/2014 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had a multiple count CR accusing me of multiple felonies. Confidential Investigation went on for almost two years before I found out and was called in for statement etc.

The end result was Jody Weiss signed off on all counts of the accusations be Unfounded and Exonerated. No Not Sustained. Unfounded and Exonerated.

Then I sued the accuser and found out how full of shit the affidavit law really is. Coppers think they are protected from false accusations. Bullshit. The accusers still lie and sign the affidavit. Big deal, they lie, hard to prove and Anita Alvarez won't charge them.

And that is going to get released to the newspapers? Total bullshit that sounds like I am a serious felon. I can just imagine Frank Main or someone trying to make a case out of it. The accuser is still a wacko and will very likely still spout the same bullshit. And I have been retired for several years.

At least I can thank Jody Weiss for making it Unfounded and Exonerated.

10/30/2014 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does this mean we'll be getting paid or just an apology? And when do we get our retro?

10/29/2014 08:19:00 PM

City Council has to approve it first. They'll do it on the last day allowed by law.

10/29/2014 10:50:00 PM

When is the last day allowed by law?

10/30/2014 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to go with a Federal lawsuit in Crook County. Every judge in this county is bought and paid for by the Democrat machine. These county judges won't go against the city.


there are only a handful of fed judges that will not fold in the face of controversy despite not having to run for the job

10/30/2014 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am the ppo who asked "how do you cope with the negative, depressing, etc. scenes we see at work on a daily basis?"

You're referring to daily roll calls right?

10/30/2014 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should be some sitting judges on that list

10/30/2014 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger jcat said...

If the city can willing decide to ignore the language in the contract about destroying old records then can the membership ignore the language prohibiting a strike? just wondering.....

John Catanzara 008

10/30/2014 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean is for the City. That's why he has his law firm to shake hands with the City and be friends with them. No backbone, no fighting for us, just waive the white flag and kiss the cities ass. He has his crew of idiots that negotiated a contract that they can't even explain to us. Ray sounded like an idiot when I asked him about the recurrence section of the proposed contract and to explain the tiers.

In his soft spoken, I don't have a fuckin clue voice he tried to explain it to us but had to stop, think and start over a few times.

This isn't the FF union where you have to stop, drop and roll when things get hot.

It's easy, explain to coppers what you negotiated in the contract. Ray supposedly handles medical, right? He negotiated the medical/IOD part of the contract, right?

This is the idiot crew that we have on this issue? Please. We're screwed.

10/30/2014 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

OT: Remember when Donahue threw Capparelli out of the office because he was not working a full day? Wonder if Angelo put a time clock in just for him? Everyone should start call Washington Blvd. and ask for John Capparelli by name just after 0800 hours and just before 1600 hours. Let's see if he changed his ways.

Uhhhh. They fired Jessica because she tried to call out the MULTIPLE dead beats who don;t come to work or come half in the bag. Think they give a crap about old mustache baldy? Come on.

10/30/2014 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I heard no one is ever at FOP let alone John Capparelli. This clan just wants a check.

10/29/2014 04:43:00 PM

+++++++++++++++++++

I call BS on this post. If this was the fact why did they voluntarily cut the salaries and pass a by-law change to make the cuts permanent?

A bigger question is why did Dougherty's group vote at the general meeting vote against the roll back? Could Billy and Sid and Jimmy be planning a coup in two years?

10/30/2014 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ot.... today in 012 I got to watch the crossing guard supervisor come in a late and leave early. Not only her but I watched one of the three time keepers doing the same thing. And let's not forget the intelligence officer coming in at 10 and leaving only after 3 hours of work. So contact cards not happening from me. Screw it. Y not hold one of these people accountable. Makes me sick after 20 years on this job to see 012 even worse now then it was before the merger. And to boot all these officers mentioned I love to see how many hours they have on the books. Cuz I no my time gets taken.

10/29/2014 01:18:00 PM

I guess the bottle gang doesn't have to worry about being put into the system everyday for your VRI.

10/30/2014 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course they fired jessica for calling out dead beats at FOP. She cared for coppers so they had to cut her. She was the only genuine person FOP had so it was only a matter of time before they had to let her go.

10/30/2014 07:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What? They fired Jessica that did our medical? Un fuckin believable.

10/30/2014 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear PPO, if you can't handle the job now, maybe this career isn't for you. It won't get any better, it won't.

Kma vet

10/30/2014 08:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at FOP a few weeks ago and one of the girls was asked if she took a lunch yet and she responded "I havnt taken a lunch in months because no one is ever here."

I told her everyone has to take a lunch. She said no one is there if she did to take medical calls. She acted like it was no big deal.

The girl who sat next to her chimed in and said she too hasn't been taking a lunch. Wtf is going on at fop where these girls are covering for the officers in office because they're never there and they can't even take a lunch?

These guys make 6 figures a year and those girls I'm sure make no where close to them but they seem to run fop.

10/30/2014 09:14:00 PM  
Anonymous justAgirl said...

29oct14/01:28 Emotionally traumatized PPO

•leave your problems in your car when you arrive at work
•stay alert (assholes on the street and asshole coppers) keep you and your partner safe
•enjoy what you can while on the job and genuinely help from your heart when you can
•give yourself 15 minutes to complain, bitch, scream, cry whatever about the day and move on with life (too many energy drains from fellow coppers negatively complaining sucks the life from you! Again, 15 minute limit)
•DO NOT OVERLY MONDAY MORNING QUARTER BACK! Don't beat yourself up, learn from it and move forward. Plain and simple
•this is a job, there are many jobs out there but this is currently your job :) find a hobby or something you enjoy. Some such hobbies; drinking, sex, movies (silly comedies, action, thrillers), fitness, continuing education, working on cars etc...
•Don't worry about what any other mother fucker out there thinks or says about you. Haters on the job and haters off the job... The only ones that matter is the man above and the one lookin back at you in the mirror
•live love and whatever that saying is xoxoxoxox

10/30/2014 10:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTF...........

10/31/2014 05:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"records of police misconduct to the Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune

Notice how the word "alleged" is not included in that sentence.The press thinks that every complaint against an officer is valid and true.

10/29/2014 08:49:00 AM"

STFU They bothered to endorse Rauner didn't they? Makes them our kind of People, end of story.
Gadsden UP!!

10/29/2014 04:28:00 PM

The Trib and the Times are "Our kind of people"?

Are you insane?

Speak for yourself.

10/31/2014 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, I guess everyone who was on the job since 1967 will be on this list, what a joke!!!

10/31/2014 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I was a Sgt I spent time up in 20, talk about dog asses, they should have a special award for this fine group, among them was a PO. who got caught in a criminal act, charged but beat the case, even after video footage of him stealing from a cash register on a burglary call, they then sent him right back to 20 where he was a joke, other sgts let him do what he wanted, foot men leaving early, the girls on the desk would do their nails, read books and bitch when they had to do a report for a walk in. Coppers up there would do anything not to write a parker let alone a mover. I'm sure it has improved by now, but I was so happy to get out of that hole.

10/31/2014 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deans a complete idiot and only cares about making deals with the City and selling coppers out. This suit is nothing but his way if making coppers think he's doing something good.

He did the same with the retirees. He gave Attorney Clinton Krislov more money under his clan to shut the retirees up on healthcare.

11/03/2014 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course he's an idiot but that's the idiot we voted in. Most coppers are kicking themselves in the ass and wishing they voted Dougherty in.

11/04/2014 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I voted for Dougherty. He's a great guy and wouldn't have sold us out like Dean did. Dougherty had so much knowledge and experience and he fought for us over the years on everything but that's why the city hated him. Dean would rather blame the prior administration and shake hands with the City. That's not a fighter that's a sellout and a man with no backbone.

11/05/2014 12:34:00 AM  

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