40,000 CR Files?
This keeps popping up - what's the progress on it?
- Regarding the CR files that are the subject of the current fight about releasing via FOI:
They all exist all right, about 40,000 of them and they are on disc, every one of them. Entire file, not just a one sentence summary. Including at least a couple with one former FOP President John Dineen as the accused. Also including my entire career with 27 years of CR files but not one sustained complaint.
The older ones are not supposed to exist. But they do. Now what? 40,000. You can bet that if the Tribune gets it's hands on them that there will be a link for the public to view the entire group of them.
40,000 files, most of which should not even exist, most of which we were promised didn't exist any more. But there they are.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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I was at the FOP meeting Tuesday. Only the last 4 years are subject to FOIA requests. City Told FOP and the other unions not to fight this. ALL of the supervisor unions caved. TRO in effect. Sgt. Ass. sticks it to us again like the 2% for retiree health care. Thanks Jimmy. Judge wants arbitrator to rule on the violation of our contract about retention of CR #'s
Bad lawsuits coming down boys and girls. Seems that some closed CR numbers are being re opened. Does not look good for a few officers. I happen to know one of them who in my opinion is one of the best officers I have ever known. Strong and a true leader. He was great in 10 years ago and still a worker now. Never trust the brass J you taught me that.
So...
Basically the city held on to these when they were SUPPOSED to destroy them?
Blew smoke up FOP's comfortably numb asses for years?
Contractual protection means the equivalent of dick-all?
Basically, the city is telling FOP, "Yeah... Take us to court over this and see what kind of redress you chumps get!"
"...40,000 files, most of which should not even exist, most of which we were promised didn't exist any more. But there they are."
OMG, but where are Obama's school records?
Where is anything BHO wrote for The Harvard Law Review?
Where is his REAL birth certificate?
Where is....
The constitution doesn't mean what we think it does.
Lemma ask ya.
Do you have your personal phone on when they flip that Stingray on?
If this happens we should no longer have to wear name tags.
ha ha, I love FOIA. In 5 years, all those stops with body cams will be on file too, make sure your hair is combed, shirt is pressed, language is polite.
It's time for a blue flu....
Stop locking people up
Speaking of numbers didja hear how FOP discovered THOUSANDS of unfiled grievances in the basement over on Washington St? Dean brought it up at Tuesdays meeting. Seems like Rich Aguiliar couldn't be bothered with doing his job once he knew he wasn't gonna be reelected. The people that were filing all those desk sgt grievances were told by FOP that there cases were not gonna fly after the first guy lost his case even tho the arbiter said his case stood alone. And not just desk sgt grievances. All kinds. If you haven't heard shit about your grievance call FOP and demand an answer. Especially you people with the out of grade desk sgt beefs. Rich A cost a lot of people a lot of money by blowing these cases off. At least the FOP says this is cause to reopen the cases and go in front of another arbitrator. Every PO that hasn't heard shit about there out of grade for desk sgt needs to call FOP Immediately and demand answers!!!!!
The 40k CRs were always kept secret until Dean came along with his cousin's FTO Don O'Neil. The CRs now surface thanks to that duo. And Dean trying to use himself as an example is getting old he was never the police. And Dineen? Come on? Does he even have his wits about him? Does he even know how to cash his FOP checks?
See, that's the problem, we believe lying politicians.
I was wondering what FLOP has been doing w/ this gross contract violation. They're too busy stumbling over the 2015 member's books w/ 12 hour watches & DOGs.
Promises, only a fool believes promises.
IM praying the City screw up and releases the complete file.
I figure the city will settle for 6k.
They are still an employer no matter if they are government.
If a complaint is not sustained it is a rumor which affect your future employment.
So once again Rahm roll the dice.
Don't forget all the exempts with rule 14 violations.
Where is FOP? Not suppose to exist......
Terrific.
To 1232 on 18Dec-
NO ONE should be required to wear a name tag. The only form of identification a Police Officer should be required to publicly display is a star number. If the public wants to complain/praise an Officer all they need are those numbers. The City knows how to identify you from those. There is too much information on the Internet with which a person can damage an Officer with by knowing his/her last name.
Class action law suit. City will settle.
This is incorrect. The records on CD that were given to ALL the unions are one line descriptions, not even summaries. For instance, accused name, date, classification, findings, penalty. That's it.
Second, all the supervisors' unions filed grievances and joined the lawsuit originally filed by FOP. As a result, the judge issued an order that the City CANNOT release the list until after an arbitrator has ruled on all four grievances.
So, to you rumor mongers and instigators, GFY.
rahm will blow a gasket when the complaint histories of his double and triple promoted moronic exempt
staff are splashed across the tribune and BGA websites, only the best of the best !
Participate in an FOP meeting and you would know what is going on....
Anonymous said...
I was wondering what FLOP has been doing w/ this gross contract violation. They're too busy stumbling over the 2015 member's books w/ 12 hour watches & DOGs.
12/18/2014 01:57:00 AM
Going to arbitration.
Freedom of the press and the public's right to know. We do not live in a dictatorship.
Why does Lodge 7 always seem to be part of the problem, instead of being part of the solution?
Any FOP member who has one of these files should DEMAND that the FOP file a lawsuit. There is a ton of money in the special legal fund, lets start using it.
To the post about CR's being re-opened:true as can be. I work down in HQ and a ceartin boss is shaking behind his gold star. The media getting a hold of what's going on and could be a major blow to the CPD. Oh J.R's. what have you gotten yourself into.
even for the past 4 years, unless complaint was sustained and discipline imposed, CRs are exempt from release, says it right there in the FOIA Act. No other law enforcement agencies in Illinois turn over complaints that did not result in discipline, so why would CPD ?
🎶 "What a fool be-lieeeeves he seees, the wise man has the power, to reason awaaaay..." 🎶
The ambulance chasers are getting desperate due to depolicing...
Tell us more about exempts with rule 14 violations.
Dean knew where all the Desk Sgt Grievances are kept. He also knows that all grievances are kept in a database. Blaming Donahue and Aguilare is getting old Dean. Dean, if you think misconduct was committed, bring charges, they will stick because you will appoint your brain dead pals to a committee, the appeal will be won, and you will get your ass prolapsed when the lawsuit is over.
Guys and girls, wake up! Why do you only believe Dean when his is blaming someone else who isn't there to defend themself?
Which now opens the door to a lawsuit for keeping the files when the contract said no. Liability falls on the City, which a complaint that is non sustained and released has now caused harm and emotional damage.
Wasn't there a good spot for a clouted P.O. To guard those files at headquarters? You mean no one knew how many there were? I think BULLSHIT!
I'm sorry but CR's should not be available to the public. Our job is already hard enough now we have to worry about old CR's coming back on us. This city doesn't protect us so make sure you protect yourself. Put everything in a trust officer. Then the shithead can't get anything
Anonymous said...
Speaking of numbers didja hear how FOP discovered THOUSANDS of unfiled grievances in the basement over on Washington St? Dean brought it up at Tuesdays meeting. Seems like Rich Aguiliar couldn't be bothered with doing his job once he knew he wasn't gonna be reelected. The people that were filing all those desk sgt grievances were told by FOP that there cases were not gonna fly after the first guy lost his case even tho the arbiter said his case stood alone. And not just desk sgt grievances. All kinds. If you haven't heard shit about your grievance call FOP and demand an answer. Especially you people with the out of grade desk sgt beefs. Rich A cost a lot of people a lot of money by blowing these cases off. At least the FOP says this is cause to reopen the cases and go in front of another arbitrator. Every PO that hasn't heard shit about there out of grade for desk sgt needs to call FOP Immediately and demand answers!!!!!
12/18/2014 12:56:00 AM
One thing is true. You can never disagree with Rich Aguilar. If you did, you were on his shit list.
Just another reason why no one trusts this department city and FOP. Why FOP? because they are supposed to be our watch dog. When the contract gets broken they need to take action and sue if necessary. No playing nice guy with snakes and liars.
Always knew the dept. was lying about destroying those files after a period of time.
Put me down for a bakers dozen......
Bad lawsuits coming down boys and girls. Seems that some closed CR numbers are being re opened. Does not look good for a few officers. I happen to know one of them who in my opinion is one of the best officers I have ever known. Strong and a true leader. He was great in 10 years ago and still a worker now. Never trust the brass J you taught me that.
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well I guess they really don't have anything to worry about then huh.. especially if it was from 10 years ago.. Because most of us know who have been run through the wringer that any lawsuit that is filed past the two year mark of the incident is beyond the civil statute of limitations. if the incident occurred 4 years ago from today's date there is absolutely nothing that can be done.. much like the kochman case which was just tossed out because of the statute of limitations. cmon, stop trying to scare people and spread nonsense.. especially when you have no clue what you are talking about. also, sometimes a lawyer will try to argue to beat the statute of limitations rule that the offense wasn't discovered till recently so the statute of limitations clock has not yet started yet so the lawsuit can proceed. The great thing about a CR number from years ago is that they CANT argue that because if the incident happened in 2006 and a CR number was started in 2007 or 2008 then they cant argue that it wasn't known because it was known because they beefed! They beefed but they didn't sue in time so there goes that... and there goes you stupid rumor about how you know one of them... try again troll. so dont worry "J".. just someone trying to screw with you who obviously has a bone to pick with you but tries to make it seem like you were the best of friends ten years ago.. because if you really did like and respect "J" you wouldn't put it anonymous on a blog, you would call or text "J"... you moron.
A little bird told me the following. FOIA requests submitted to the department requesting email correspondence provides results going back well before 2000 even though the department is only required to maintain the last 2 years of emails. The archives are searched and all emails are turned over.
Based on that it is safe to assume the department will release all CR files regardless of how old they are. If they have these older files and only release the ones that are 4 years old or newer everyone will ask what the department is hiding by not releasing the older ones.
To the freedom of the press commentator: Go fuck yourself, it's called a contract provision you libtard hipster jag. I have something the public has a right to know: Most of the public are ignorant sheep who are too busy trying to suck obama's dick while washing his balls to realize that society is collapsing. Now go drink your latte while blowing through stop signs and redlights on your vintage bicycle while wearing skinny, tight, flooded slacks, brown loafers and a plaid tweed sportcoat asshole.
Speaking of numbers didja hear how FOP discovered THOUSANDS of unfiled grievances in the basement over on Washington St? Dean brought it up at Tuesdays meeting. Seems like Rich Aguiliar couldn't be bothered with doing his job once he knew he wasn't gonna be reelected. The people that were filing all those desk sgt grievances were told by FOP that there cases were not gonna fly after the first guy lost his case even tho the arbiter said his case stood alone. And not just desk sgt grievances. All kinds. If you haven't heard shit about your grievance call FOP and demand an answer. Especially you people with the out of grade desk sgt beefs. Rich A cost a lot of people a lot of money by blowing these cases off. At least the FOP says this is cause to reopen the cases and go in front of another arbitrator. Every PO that hasn't heard shit about there out of grade for desk sgt needs to call FOP Immediately and demand answers!!!!!
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That's hard to believe since FOP had a flood when the HMS Shields was already capsized. That is why Harold Brown now has a renovated store. Hard to believe any documents would now be found in the basement.
I want to know what happened to all the apple products from then last regime, Saul?
One thing is true. You can never disagree with Rich Aguilar. If you did, you were on his shit list.
With all due respect, Fuck that skinny little piss ant.
Any FOP member who has one of these files should DEMAND that the FOP file a lawsuit. There is a ton of money in the special legal fund, lets start using it
This what we get for not sticking together!
So that CR accusing me in 1987 of spinning a piss bum which was unfounded will be in the newspapers now that I am several years retired. Fucking City and fucking Tribune cock-suckers.
Anonymous said...
Dean knew where all the Desk Sgt Grievances are kept. He also knows that all grievances are kept in a database. Blaming Donahue and Aguilare is getting old Dean. Dean, if you think misconduct was committed, bring charges, they will stick because you will appoint your brain dead pals to a committee, the appeal will be won, and you will get your ass prolapsed when the lawsuit is over.
Guys and girls, wake up! Why do you only believe Dean when his is blaming someone else who isn't there to defend themself?
12/18/2014 10:51:00 AM
These weren't "in a databox." These were original paper grievances IN A BOX! They never got processed, I presume because the dope doing it took it upon himself to decide they weren't worth it and he was busy running for re-election. Somehow he fell behind in the work and said fuck it, leave the box for the next guys.
Anonymous said...
Freedom of the press and the public's right to know. We do not live in a dictatorship.
12/18/2014 07:52:00 AM
Sustained complaints, yes. Bullshit that was not sustained, (found guilty) from 1967, no way. Let's open up your entire life from age 21 onward and print it in the papers. How about that?
Fuck these troll civilian assholes. Close this blog down, make it private, for police and retired only.
Who cares anymore. The Fop lies the City lies and coppers lie to them self this job sucks now. The citizens hate us the city hates us and the bosses have no balls anymore. They would eat their own kids to get a better spot. Cooter said
"Why does Lodge 7 always seem to be part of the problem, instead of being part of the solution?
12/18/2014 08:30:00 AM"
Because you Morons are too fixated on voting for change instead of putting someone in who can actually do the Job.
As Herman Cain said, Blame yo'self!
Can anyone say class action on behalf of every officer for the last 10 years or so! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I am feeling the damages as we speak !!!!
Please do all of us a favor and retire Cooter.
I respect the response that was written back about what I posted. I posted the bad cr beef coming down on J. I respect him as a man and above all else as an officer. I have texted him and gave him the heads up. I re read the post and what I meant to write was that he used to work in 010 years ago. I never meant the beef was from 10 years ago. I have no bone to pick with him and in fact respect his strong work ethic. He has always worked no matter what was surrounding the police. He is the real police and has gone above and beyond helping officers and the families of fallen officers. I also respect the post that was posted sticking up for him for the simple fact that this blog is often a cop ripping another cop behind his or her back. That was not my intention but was stating no matter how good you are it is not worth it at the end. Sorry for the confusion. Sgt K.G.
I respect the response that was written back about what I posted. I posted the bad cr beef coming down on J. I respect him as a man and above all else as an officer. I have texted him and gave him the heads up. I re read the post and what I meant to write was that he used to work in 010 years ago. I never meant the beef was from 10 years ago. I have no bone to pick with him and in fact respect his strong work ethic. He has always worked no matter what was surrounding the police. He is the real police and has gone above and beyond helping officers and the families of fallen officers. I also respect the post that was posted sticking up for him for the simple fact that this blog is often a cop ripping another cop behind his or her back. That was not my intention but was stating no matter how good you are it is not worth it at the end. Sorry for the confusion. Sgt K.G.
One thing is true. You can never disagree with Rich Aguilar. If you did, you were on his shit list.
With all due respect, Fuck that skinny little piss ant.
He deserves no respect. He was/is an arrogant dick who does not like to be questioned about anything. Fuk em.
Listen up, all complaints against all officers are kept forever on your complaint history file. Your disciplinary history file is purged evey 5 yrs. there are two files one is permanent and the other purged every five yrs. the complaint history file states the complaint and the findings, that's it......I think it's wrong to release them but I'm just a cog in the wheel going around and around ending up nowhere....
Once it exists, it never goes away.
Best not to let them create that which they don't need in the first place.
Anonymous said...
Where is FOP? Not suppose to exist......
12/18/2014 05:10:00 AM
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Read the 1st post on the top of this thread. Don't let facts get in your way.
Second, all the supervisors' unions filed grievances and joined the lawsuit originally filed by FOP. As a result, the judge issued an order that the City CANNOT release the list until after an arbitrator has ruled on all four Second, all the supervisors' unions filed grievances and joined the lawsuit originally filed by FOP. As a result, the judge issued an order that the City CANNOT release the list until after an arbitrator has ruled on all four grievances..
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The three other unions failed to show up in court because the city told them not to or there would be consequences...
They only filed the grievances AFTER FOP won a TRO. Nothing like jumping on the band wagon as it's crossing the finish line.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Any FOP member who has one of these files should DEMAND that the FOP file a lawsuit. There is a ton of money in the special legal fund, lets start using it.
12/18/2014 09:27:00 AM
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Go to the meetings cement head. They have been in court for months on this. Better yet go to the court hearings and listen if you don't trust FOP.
They (the city) tried to hit me with 30 days pending. Ag-u-liar told me to take the 30 days and save the job. Went to court and won. Not even a reprimand. Not sustained when it should have been an unfounded thou.
Anonymous said...
Can anyone say class action on behalf of every officer for the last 10 years or so! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I am feeling the damages as we speak !!!!
To be honest, I do not give a damn if they release our complaint records. I have a little more than sixteen years on this department and haven't received a cr from a citizen in over 11years. I probably have a total of only 6 in my file. I have made plenty of arrests, written numerous tickets, completed numerous trr's after some very physical arrests. I have never served a day of suspension time. I have been named in federal law suit before with other officers, in which subsequently before the start of trial, me and a few officers names were dropped from the suit. In retrospect, I have been very fortunate, thankful and no longer patrol aggressively. I'm only concern with the 1st, 16th and the 22nd.
Anybody who wants to be a cop now is out of their minds. I thought it was bad ten years ago, but this is insane!
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