Eye on the Ball Dean
- Fraternal Order of Police President Dean Angelo on Monday urged Mayor Rahm Emanuel to impose a temporary property tax increase to shore up police and fire pensions that could be rolled back when the jackpot of revenue from a city-owned Chicago casino comes rolling in.
Before the Illinois Supreme Court unanimously overturned state pension reforms, placing Emanuel’s plan to save two of four city employee pension funds in similar jeopardy, City Hall was negotiating with police and fire unions and making decent progress.
But Friday’s ruling shifted the talks more toward raising revenue than cutting benefits and increasing employee contributions. It also emboldened the police union president to publicly draw a line in the sand.
Perhaps Dean doesn't recall that Officers are required to live in the city while retirees are not. How about leaving the tax hikes to the politicians instead of directing the ire of taxpayers at us?
While we're sure a casino is on the radar, government in general (and Chicago, Illinois in particular) have a bad habit of making "temporary" increases permanent. Instead of praising tax increases, why not work on getting a sizable portion of the casino cash directed into the pension funds, prior to any other goodies Rahm wants to steer to connected-types. And after you secure that, some sort of language that states if the fund drops below a certain fixed percentage (like under 100%), then casino money is directed to make the funds whole again in perpetuity.
This actually raises an very interesting question.
The Illinois Supreme Court pretty much ruled that once granted, benefits cannot be diminished or reduced. That would seem to imply that the union (as bargaining agent) never had the authority to negotiate reductions in benefits....and by extension, increases in health care contributions....right? After all, an increase in contributions necessarily has a disparate (negative) impact on members' economic well-being.
Therefore, all the Officers who came on when healthcare was free have been negatively impacted by negotiations that went against the Illinois Constitution. And all those Officers who came on at Bill Nolan's "only $2 per check" were negatively impacted by further increases. And so on, and so on, and so on, seeing as how all of these Contracts went against Constitutional precedence.
An interesting angle to say the least.
While we're sure a casino is on the radar, government in general (and Chicago, Illinois in particular) have a bad habit of making "temporary" increases permanent. Instead of praising tax increases, why not work on getting a sizable portion of the casino cash directed into the pension funds, prior to any other goodies Rahm wants to steer to connected-types. And after you secure that, some sort of language that states if the fund drops below a certain fixed percentage (like under 100%), then casino money is directed to make the funds whole again in perpetuity.
This actually raises an very interesting question.
The Illinois Supreme Court pretty much ruled that once granted, benefits cannot be diminished or reduced. That would seem to imply that the union (as bargaining agent) never had the authority to negotiate reductions in benefits....and by extension, increases in health care contributions....right? After all, an increase in contributions necessarily has a disparate (negative) impact on members' economic well-being.
Therefore, all the Officers who came on when healthcare was free have been negatively impacted by negotiations that went against the Illinois Constitution. And all those Officers who came on at Bill Nolan's "only $2 per check" were negatively impacted by further increases. And so on, and so on, and so on, seeing as how all of these Contracts went against Constitutional precedence.
An interesting angle to say the least.
Labels: FOP, money questions
posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
142 Comments:
Hey Deano....the state income tax increase that was "temporary" was going to become permanent had Quinn won re-election. Let rahmmy come up with solutions to the problem. He's the mayor. They haven't paid into it in years. They mismanaged for years. They borrowed and didn't repay for years. They stole from it for years. They have a $550mil payment due. Their problem, not FOP's. Are you going to suggest the teacher give us homework too?
FUK Dues and Now property tax
Your robbing Peter for Paul Asshole
DeaNo Got to Go
No confidence Vote
Phone ringing...
"F.O.P. Dean Angelo speaking."
Rahm, "I need you to take the heat off me so I want you to talk up the idea of a property tax increase to pay off your damn pensions."
Deano, "Sure thing Mr. Mayor!. Anything else?"
Rahm, "Yeah. Go fuck yourself."
Click.
Once a tax always a tax. Stop meddling Dean..let the Pols figure it out.
I came on and was promised 3% cola, and now that is reduced.!
You can agree to give up your rights...like the guy you Mirandize and he makes a statement. Same concept.
I just hope that Dean would never consider even thinking about negotiating pension "reform" with Rahm now.
The Supreme Court ruling chopped Rahm off at the knees and the FOP needs to always be cognizant of that.
So then FOP had no right to tell the city that they didn't have to pay back the loan from our pension fund.
This Blog alone, once again is raising a brilliant point; if the FOP and the City did not have the power to change the existing circumstance, then they did not have the power to change that issue of increasing our contribution to the healthcare which was a zero contribution when I came on, then went to $2 when Nolan became the head of FOP. So you can keep that money, just leave my pension alone and we can call it "even".
Hate to break this to you but a Casino WAS a great idea 20 years ago.
Now, there is saturation of casinos around us AND many people who used to go gamble don't have the bucks anymore.
Look at Atlantic City. How many Casinos have they closed up there?
But Chicago is going to be a Mecca? Dream on.
What an absolutely idiotic statement to make.If this came out of the FOP think tank-somebody better find the plug.
Fuck Dean if he wants to pay more taxes let him I don't !
Well done to the morons who voted for Dean. Does he realize that no tax ever rolls back or goes down or is he really this stupid. Hey Dean, how much are you getting on the side from Rahm? Your a worthless POS!
I checked the phrase "temporary increase" in the official Illinois Dictionary.
I couldn't find it.
How to make Rahm love the police and lose the support of everyone else in one easy step. Hand the Mayor the headline, "Police Union Demands Property Tax Increase."
Time to pack it up. Game over. Evil has won.
Is VRI Supplemental a constitutionally guaranteed benefit?
Somehow I don't trust our local union to do the right thing at the right time.
How about just raising the police officer's share of fund payment too? Say, 12%
Like it or not, whether Dean calls for it or not, property taxes are going up. That's our bite of the shit sandwich, taking the hit on the front end rather than when we are retired.
Come on SCC, you're smarter than that: Disparate-Different, incongruous. Not necessarily negative.
Remember that according to the pension statute, the city is required to levy a tax for pension contributions, besides, where else would the money come from?
None of us is going to get what we think we are entitled to. While the ISC did something rare for jurists (they actually read the plain English in the constitution and didn't try to redefine it), the result is going to be the same.
If the Politician-clowns in 1970 who put this passage into the state constitution had promised that retirees in 2020 and beyond would each be given Lear Jets, would anyone think this was going to happen? "B-b-but it's written into the constitution!"
In 5 years most people in IL will be wondering where their next meal is coming from. Retired public employees won't be exempted from this just because in 1970 a bunch of people thought fish could fly.
Does anyone else see what's going on hear. Like SCC mentioned if taxes are raised then all Chicago residents including City workers will have to pay higher taxes unless your retired and living elsewhere. Dean is definitely in bed with Rahm. If Rahm raises taxes to shore up pensions all he has to do is blame Dean and the police. Rahm walks away without egg on his face, shrugs his shoulders and diverts the attention to raise taxes on the Supreme Court and those rotten police instead of where it belongs which is the crooked politicians.
How about the same type of " angle" but the other side. When the union " forgave" the city the 23 million it owed the pension fund? mr. donahue
Dean works for Ram. Don't get your hopes up.
There will be an increase in the decrease.
More proof that Rahm put Dean up for president.
The first thing Union bosses do is ask for higher taxes, instead of pointing out all of the unneeded give-aways spending done by the politicians.
This Friday- May 15th @ 5pm- Roosevelt Red/Orange/Green Line stations- Black Lives matter demonstration is set to go off. Be forewarned.
Total load of garbage.
Interesting argument, one that will probably be answered with, you can bargain those benefits away, they just can't be arbitrarily be taken away.
Nothing like ticking off the OTHER city unions, too. Come on, man - the Media and politicians do enough dividing.... don't you start too. Dumbass.
So let's get this straight ----- a union president is proposing a tax increase. HAHAHA ----- talk about doing the dirty work for the mayor!
Woo, Woo! Blue light Bob wins in 025 as the district rep. Woo, Woo!
What a stupid fucking thing to say. Better to keep his yap shut than to be quoted suggesting a property tax hike. Rahm wet himself when he heard that one.
For months nothing but the sound of crickets from our FOP President and now you know why.
Somebody please stuff some old socks in Dean Angelo Sr's mouth.
Oh yeah, we're better off with that moron than Bill Dougherty. Yeah sure. After 9 years of DA Sr. and it will be Dean Angelo Jr's time to be FOP President. Jr will simply have his name on the ballot as Dean Angelo and the retirees won't know the difference. "Yeah, sure, dat's the guy we vote for, ok."
So here's my question..I've been retired for 8 years,now that the Illinois Supreme's have ruled that my benefits cannot be reduced does the city have to refund to me all the money it has illegally taken from me in the form of higher healthcare costs and reduced pension benefits?
Lets not forget that officers went without pay increases over the years to obtain these benifits, only to have them taken away. So basicaly, they did away with some of our pay raises.
In addition, many years ago, the idea was floated ( by POs ) to raised the pansion pament to the city by half a percent so shore up the fund and also pay for retired health costs. Daley & company did not act on this.
This Friday- May 15th @ 5pm- Roosevelt Red/Orange/Green Line stations- Black Lives matter demonstration is set to go off. Be forewarned.
Total load of garbage.
5/12/2015 09:16:00 AM
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Did the GED GSST team tell you that? Talk about a total load of garbage.
Dean is a fucking idiot. Who the hell voted for this moron. Shut your mouth.
"...when the jackpot of revenue from a city-owned Chicago casino comes rolling in..."
Sure, like when the "jackpot of revenue" from a failed TIF-loan area "comes rolling in." New sidewalks, curbs, planters, banners, streetlights, trees, "sculpture," fancy benches -- in front of rows of empty storefronts. "FOR RENT." "FOR RENT." "FOR RENT."
Anonymous said...
This Blog alone, once again is raising a brilliant point; if the FOP and the City did not have the power to change the existing circumstance, then they did not have the power to change that issue of increasing our contribution to the healthcare which was a zero contribution when I came on, then went to $2 when Nolan became the head of FOP. So you can keep that money, just leave my pension alone and we can call it "even".
5/12/2015 05:19:00 AM
Dean and Bill took it a step further after the $2.00 per paycheck debacle and signed a temporary agreement with the city to have a percentage attached to our paycheck for our healthcare. When we called them on it the lied to us at the general meeting saying they did not agree to it with the city, we voted the contract down because we did not want want the percentage attached to our paychecks for insurance and when it went to the arbitrator he said sorry FOP members, I can't touch the insurance issue because your contract negotiating team signed a temporary agreement with the city to attach the percentage to your paycheck for healthcare. That was about 13 years ago and now our membership puts these same clowns back in office in charge of our union. What a pathetic state this union has become.
Huge layoffs coming to all state and city jobs NOT TO MENTION TAX INCREASES, if you dont think so your smoking crack!
So is DeanO the setup guy for rahm? The membership takes the heat and not rahm or Dean? Makes you wonder.
If the Politician-clowns in 1970 who put this passage into the state constitution had promised that retirees in 2020 and beyond would each be given Lear Jets, would anyone think this was going to happen? "B-b-but it's written into the constitution!"
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EXCELLENT Observation. The party is OVER. There is no cash left to pay the band.
Property tax increase? Why not cut benefits?
You're not going to get what they promised. And don't say "I didn't vote them in." If you didn't want them in - you should have at least picked yourself up and voted for "the other guy".
PLUS - You mean to tell me - NO ONE in FOP or any of the other unions saw this short-funding of pensions over the years????
None of the fat pension consulting and advisory firms that you hired, and paid good money to, saw this coming?
None of the Pension Management companies that your Pension Board oversees said anything??
BULLSHIT!
"Oh - don't open your mouth because you might foul up your BIG merit promotion after you serve a term in FOP or the Pension Board."
Hey, your brethren sold you out.
Either they knew, but wanted that "merit promotion" after FOP OR- they were so clueless, they didn't see a growing $159,000,000,000 shortfall on the Balance Sheet - if they even know what a Balance Sheet is?
Deal with them. Don't go to the average taxpayers saying you're "entitled to more".
Mismanagement, clueless pseudo-experts (probably referred by clout) giving you and your pension board bogus advice, AND FOP officers that had to be looking the other way because they sure the Hell didn't make any waves.
Oh, and by the way, I had to oversee a Police Pension Fund in a municipality and I called out the idiots that were supposedly our "pension advisors" and told them they had their annual projections all messed up (too high) and demanded every quarter report instead of "letting them handle it" so that we made sure we were putting in the right amount every year from the municipality's revenues. (and would not incur a growing shortfall)
These "experts" were so indignant that someone would even question them, but they changed their projections to a more conservative number.
Ours is one of the few that are still solvent.
I wonder why??????? Get your best people handling your pensions - not "yes-men" minions beholden to a "future promotion".
Tell me again why dick daley isn't in prison?
Anonymous said...
How about just raising the police officer's share of fund payment too? Say, 12%
5/12/2015 07:30:00 AM
Ok deal we pay that will we get pension for young coppers? We have by city estimate over yes over 2,000 coppers retiring by jan 2017 will they just keep scooping out the OT or will they hire and properly fund the pension? Dean stfu you say your do educated but yet you talk like you have absolutely no sense! Let the city raise the taxes why do you want more of the people that actually pay their taxes against us? Idiot!
That's completely bizarre, somewhere Mother Jones is rolling in her grave. How can a Union Leader push an agenda for a corrupt political machine? He should be demanding the immediate use of T.I.F. funds to shore up the shortfall. An actual Union Leader would be calling for criminal indictments or a Forensic Audit on the supposed empty City of Chicago books.
SCC / Off Topic .
Guess who got locked up again?
Old crybaby city sticker boy in 014 !! He's now an adult so the media can release his name.
Remember:
http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/search?q=herbie+pulgar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPETOynoev0
Beat 1412R arrested Herbert Pulgar, IR # 1935478, for PSMV on 12MAY15. Reported under RD # HY 256664.
Unit following the stolen vehicle. Offender jumped out of moving vehicle, which then struck some parked cars. Offender fled on foot but was found and placed in custody a short distance away.
Hey Dean are you forgetting we have to live in the city. Why are you're making police pay for the pension shortage. I'm already paying over 9% of my salary and now you're gonna increase my property taxes? Then you're gonna offer an increase in our contribution. So lets add this up. My taxes are $8000.00 a year. A 10% increase is $800.00. Then youre gonna raise my contibution 3% , dont say you arent because you are, my salary is $95,000.00. So that's $2,850. For a total of $3,650 a year.
That's a lot of money to pay for the mess these politicians created by not doing their job.
I don't care how many red light cameras, speed cameras and casinos we have to build. Obey the law and dont gamble, but keep your hands out of my pocket!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So let's get this straight ----- a union president is proposing a tax increase. HAHAHA ----- talk about doing the dirty work for the mayor! 5/12/2015 09:21:00 AM
Dear Friend: You are 100% correct. The thieving politicians, including Rahm's predecessor (Daley) and the 50 crooked aldermen, created this mess by DECADES of fiscal irresponsibility. It is THEIR problem to fix it. Dean Angelo is totally out of place to suggest a tax increase ... if a tax increase is needed, let Rahm announce and take the political hit. Thanks to Dean, it could be inferred that any tax increase should be personally blamed on the police officers.
What a missed opportunity for Dean, though. He should have torn into former Mayor Daley, and his 50 alder-thieves, who REFUSED, for nearly 20 years, to have the City pay its proper share into the system when the tax revenue was there, when "times were good." Dean should have talked about the crooked way the City wastes $Millions on TIF projects for the connected; unnecessary $$$ on Maggie Daley Park; unnecessary $$$ to build a stadium for a wealthy, private university (DePaul); etc. Not to mention how many millions of taxpayer dollars are wasted by the city paying "approved vendors" (a.k.a. the clouted and connected) a middle-man fee for much of what the City buys, when the City could buy direct from the manufacturer and save all that money (example: our squad car computers/PDTs could have been bought direct from Panasonic at about half the cost).
Chicago is not broke. The money to shore up our pension has always been there, and STILL IS, IF the City would put a stop to all of their crooked and wasteful spending. Now, THAT is closer to what Dean SHOULD have said to the press!
OT: This wasn't too hard to predict:
(click link)
Violence surges as Baltimore police officers feel hesitant
Based on this posting I guess there is hope mine other retiree's health insurance premiums should go down. In 2013 I was paying 600 something, 2014 it went to 930.00 and this year 1330.00 for 2 of us under 65. When I was first hired in 74 I seem to remember that retiree health care was going to be free and then the 2.00 Nolan plan came in and it's been going up ever since! Hopefully it rolls back soon, this 1300.00 monthly is a killer.
>>>Anonymous BIG Spender said...
Hate to break this to you but a Casino WAS a great idea 20 years ago.
Now, there is saturation of casinos around us AND many people who used to go gamble don't have the bucks anymore.
Look at Atlantic City. How many Casinos have they closed up there?
But Chicago is going to be a Mecca? Dream on.
5/12/2015 05:38:00 AM<<<
VERY TRUE...
Not only that but look around you and see how many bars around here now have VIDEO GAMING signs. People don't have to dress us, go downtown, pay $$$ to park in order to pull the lever on a one armed bandit. Within blocks or a short drive of where I live in Chicago there must be a dozen such places where I could lose my pension check to the mob.
Do you think the mob would want to give that up. They certainly would want a piece of any casino even if they have to say they are related to Chief Chicago himself.
Who is going to replace Deano as FOP Lodge 7 President?
What has Deano lined up for himself when he leaves office?
Dean what are you doing? Are your out of your mind? Did rahms tell you to light the property tax hike fuse? You say nothing for how long? Now you're opening your mouth and this drools out! Nothing like getting the taxpayers who some support the police against us! Poorly played dean extremely poorly played!
Thanks disability dean. Just another reason to hate the police. Dean, tell the mayor to cut spending, audit all the books, make the finances of all city agencies transparent and honor the legal obligations to the pension fund. Lets see who the city writes checks to. Let the public then connect the dots and link the associations. Dean you are undoubtedly a democrat operative in our fraternal organization.
How about siphoning a little revenue from every City budget to shore up pensions?
And don't forget the TIF account.
Temporary property tax ... was that a Blago or Quinn trial program too?
This is too funny. We are trying to negotiate with radical leftists who hate the police,military vets and American exceptionalism. They always lie and will continue to lie. They will bend the rules and violate your rights and the constitution if we let them. They will never do anything in good faith because they are crooks and dishonest bastards. Learn to recognize Marxism so you can fight it when you see it.
Now can we get our social security benefits reinstated which were diminished by Dan Rostenkowski????
Simple solution. Divert every TIF fund until the pension is fully funded. Court was clear in saying the city and state failed to make their contributions....time to pony up.
The Michigan Constitution also says that public sector pensions cannot be diminished or reduced. Ask City of Detroit retirees how that worked out for them.
Raise property taxes? Watch the middle class flight out of Chicago increase. What compelling reason is there to live in Chicago? Crime up, taxes up- one can live cheaper and safer in the burbs. Besides downtown, and even that is questionable, Chicago proper will one day be one big ghetto.
Anonymous said...
Does anyone else see what's going on hear. Like SCC mentioned if taxes are raised then all Chicago residents including City workers will have to pay higher taxes unless your retired and living elsewhere. Dean is definitely in bed with Rahm. If Rahm raises taxes to shore up pensions all he has to do is blame Dean and the police. Rahm walks away without egg on his face, shrugs his shoulders and diverts the attention to raise taxes on the Supreme Court and those rotten police instead of where it belongs which is the crooked politicians.
5/12/2015 07:52:00 AM
EXACTLY! This is all by design. You mean to tell me our own union can not find all of the sleazy, back door, inside deals done by the city with various businesses? That the reason why the city is broke is because of government workers? The media is in lap with the mayor. All they do is parrot what city hall wants.
My property taxes on a modest three bedroom, two bath, two car garage is $6200. How high will it go. It is no wonder that the city is losing population. How the fuck is anyone supposed to afford over value real estate and sky high taxes. The problem with liberalism is that it is never their fault. They always have to raise revenue or "reform" things like Obama Care. What a fucking joke. Seriously, I am glad that I am 59 years old.
Martk the shark gives shortshanks $29,000,000 now this clown wants a real estate hike
Wtf , time for teamsters or pbpa
Free the weed and tax the hell out of it. Screw the casino.
That's not your problem Dean. You are not an economist. You were hardly a police officer. Now shut the fuck up and stopping giving solutions. There are plenty members of FOP and the public that don't believe in gambling and stop pissing off the public against us by saying to raise taxes. You really are a tool bag.
Fuck Dean if he wants to pay more taxes let him I don't !
5/12/2015 06:06:00 AM
Are you living in fantasy land??
Where do you think the money for our pension funds will come from.... the money tree?
An increase in taxes is a virtual certainty.
FOP Sec: Dean line one.
Dean: Hello
rahm: This is the Call we talked about.
Dean: uhhh, you mean that Call.
rahm: yeah. This is what you going to do for me.
You going to talk about a temp Property tax hike.
Dean: what? I'm just your fop pres. I have no authority and the public will Hate us for squeezing them.
rahm: don't think, just do as I say.
Dean: ok.
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I can't believe that a Non-Elected person could even come up with this shit!!
WE ARE DOOMED.
Moodys just cut chicago's bond rating to " junk". Watch those credit default swaps come into play now and cost the city hundreds of millions. Unless something extraordinary happens- bankruptcy on the way.
old retired guy
I've been reading this site since I came OTJ, and in all honesty;
Every President, every team elected to 'run' FOP gets people bitching about this or that.
It's time to face it folks:
Anyone that wants to be in an elected position in this 'union" probably shouldn't be elected simply because they want to be elected.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/moodys-cuts-puerto-rico-rating-further-into-junk-1424381800
Chicago right up there with Puerto Rico!
Detroit has TWO casinos, just saying.
Anonymous said...
How about just raising the police officer's share of fund payment too? Say, 12%
5/12/2015 07:30:00 AM
A few times over, a few years back, when the hand writting was on the wall about the solvency of our pension, that was proposed to the City.(During contract time)
The City flatly refused mainly because it would likewise affect their contribution portion. They blew it off merely as stating that they don't discuss 'retiree' benefits during contract negotiations.
If we pay more they pay more. Well, they're 'required' to anyway. We saw what happened.
Love how McStupid is labeling people "traitors" who just wanted to see the truth get out. Traitor, McStupe? Look in the mirror you dope.
5/12/2015 08:55:00 AM
Traitors? That is the Superintendent making the incorrect assumption that we were ever on his or the Mayor's side. I will let you in on something you haven't picked up on, we are most certainly not.
We don't like the way you have politicized this Department.
We don't like the dishonest way you present your crime "facts" to the media that laps them up.
We don't like or agree with your silly anti-gun rants.
We don't like the way you have pushed you minions up the ranks regardless of actual merit. Their loyalty to your dogma is the only merit you are interested in.
We don't like your bullying of current members and laughing about it.
We didn't like your embarrassing drunken womanizing before you married a girl your daughters age.
We don't like the cameras that you have following you around all the time.
In short: we don't like you and we don't support you or your nonsense.
Hey PhD shmuck, give Rahm your FOP no limit American express card to pay the pension debt off.
The River North dinners will have to close after FOP dropping tall monry on liquid lunches and dinners.
IRS would have a field day spending a day going through their bogus books.
The market is up and they should sell the Washington Street property and move to Roosevelt and Pulaski and pay little rent. Take all the cash and pay us retired members our share. FOP has done ZRRO for .000000 % of coppers needing help, they don't even return or answer calls.
When the city paid copper' regarding being denied Day off- time due, who got paid about 10 years ago or less.. Every trustee in the FOP. Us regular guys got shit and they never even announced the settlement that only benifited the clouted in FOP. Chrck that out guys !!
.....Smell a RAT?
Deans Answer is raise OUR Taxes
How about cut the Gold Braid
Wait *Jr is a future Gold Braid
Thought FOP was for POs?????
Stupid Sheep we are
chicago bonds are now junk.....layoffs and tax increases coming!
Daley had a chance to have a Chicago river boat and turned it down. Then when he realized his error the state would not give the city a boat. Now Rahm has to put 600 million into the CPD pension fund and he is hesitating. If Rahm refuses the law says the state will withhold the cities share of income tax and place the money into the pension fund. But, look what has happened. Rauner has already cut the cities share substantially so what is left to put into our fund? If the fund runs out of money what happens? Well, no one knows as it has not happened before. But, the law is clear, the fund has the responsibility to pay benefits not the city. Things will be getting dark soon.
Even if an agreement can be made ( backroom deals ) it will take 5-6 years before anything is built. BTW, the citys rating was just lowered to junk. Detroit, here we come.
Shields would of never made a stupid assed comment like Dean. Rahm sized Dean up over that breakfast one year ago. Hey Dean, how did the children's books you gave Rahm work out for you, you stupid ass?
So for all non police. I pay into my pension from my paycheck. Then I pay my pension from my property taxes. Now my own organization wants to raise my taxes for my pensions? When does the city pay?
OT --
Radio reporting -- city's bond rating has just been downgraded to "junk."
"Irresponsible," says Emanuel.
Well, yeah.
More skate ribbons and dog parks, please. What about our "French clowns on fifty-foot stilts?" Will there be no more smoldering houses-on-rafts being towed up the river for people to laugh at?
Getting bad...
No confidence vote?
How much has Maggie Daley Park cost us so far?
No one should get a pension increase for getting a merit promotion. That would save money
How about asking what Daley did with our pension contributions for the last 20 years.♠️
Everyone is blaming Dean . Dean is not the boss it is Greg Bella . That was determined when they made a deal along with Mcdonagh and Casiano . Dean allowed him to make all the decisions such as putting Mcdonagh upstairs , replacing Gorman and De Maria , selecting an attorney who was previously fired , who paid for the mailers . Dean is slow moving , non-confrontational and basically is a coward ! Unreal ! God
Help us !
Anybody remember when they passed legislation to legalize the Illinois Lottery. One of the provisions was that there would be full funding for public education. Whatever happened to that?
Why haven't the media ever ask those who work in one of the four pension funds in the city what suggestion they might have. Makes sense to me. These people have been administrators for all employees for years.
Everyone seems to have forgotten our elected and the cities appointed TRUSTEES. Has anyone ever heard them say a word about the cities mismanagement and shorting the fund? Where was their fiduciary responsibility to inform us the membership that they city was cheating the funds all these years.
Maybe the FOP should put together a class action lawsuit against all the trustees and send them to the cleaners like they let the funds get sent to the cleaners.
unions and taxpayers will have to bleed now that chicago's bonds are junk...we are screwed!
Chicago just got downgraded to junk bond status.
How long have we been under a Democratic Mayor in this city?
Oh wait you want the pension mess fixed but don't want to pay more in property taxes? You work for the city and live in the city and that's how you are getting fucked. Other millions of other peoe live in the City and don't work for the city and they are the ones getting fucked. Shut up already. Your pensions are going to be there and the city resident will pay the price. Poor you, they make you live in the city. Who the fuck cares. Take your year of medical because you earned it. Unreal.
Everyone is blaming Dean . Dean is not the boss it is Greg Bella . That was determined when they made a deal along with Mcdonagh and Casiano . Dean allowed him to make all the decisions such as putting Mcdonagh upstairs , replacing Gorman and De Maria , selecting an attorney who was previously fired , who paid for the mailers . Dean is slow moving , non-confrontational and basically is a coward ! Unreal ! God
Help us !
5/12/2015 07:27:00 PM
So is GREG BELLA the one that wants to settle and pay the whistleblower Mike Shields? What are you hiding, GREG?
Anonymous said...
How about just raising the police officer's share of fund payment too? Say, 12%
5/12/2015 07:30:00 AM
I have a better idea. How about reducing it to 2% like the teachers actually pay and have the city pay the rest like the teachers do when they have the CPS pay anything above their 2% contribution. Then the city can raise property taxes to their max every year like the CPS does.
Hello everyone, I am the anonymous poster 11:52 from the article "The Only Story In Town" which appeared a few days ago. If you remember I quoted a Labor Attorney who was on a Chicago Television New Talk Show that stated one way for the city/state to help relieve the pension crises would be that the unions agree to lower benefits. In my post I stated that several unions already have agreed to lower benefits and I name the International Brotherhood of Electrical Worker, Local #9 as one of the unions who agreed to lower their retiree's benefits. The retiree's of Local #9 I have spoken to, told me that THEY DID NOT HAVE A SAY IN THE UNION'S AGREEING WITH THE REDUCTIONS. These retiree's were part of the law suit that the ISC ruled on. I have been very critical of Angelo and the present FOP Administration for their sounds of silence on this and other issues effecting the rank and file of the CPD. I got to say when I was reading the newspaper this morning I saw Angelo made a statement. I was shocked to say the least. I had a good news and bad news reaction after reading the article. HE SAID SOMETHING, was the good news. The bad news is what he said. He said that the City should temporary raise property taxes. That statement showed his total lack of intelligence and understanding on the subject of the economy, the mood of the taxpayers, and taxes in general. As a previous poster stated, "A great a way to have everyone hate the police"! As I write this post, Moody's downgraded the City's Bond rating to junk status. Let face it, the city is going to raise taxes. If the city is forced to raise taxes let Rahm be the bad guy. Here is a suggestion to Angelo. When the major comes out and announces that due to the ISC ruling he is going to be force to raise taxes, the FOP and all other city unions should write an obed article in the local newspapers stating our case. In this article the unions should go as far as state the years and how much the city failed to contribute to the various pension funds. Getting back to Angelo statement, I find it ODD THAT THE DAY BEFORE THE BOND SERVICES LOWERED THE CITY'S BONDS TO JUNK STATUS ANGELO MAKES THE PITCH FOR A INCOME TAX HIKE. Did the major get a heads up? Did the major ask Angelo to make the statement to deflect criticism from himself? Is there some type of deal between the two of them? We will know soon enough if the major and Angelo are in bed with each other. I hope not. Now on a personal note, by the reaction to today's posts and the comments which are being made regarding Angelo's statement the following is addressed specifically to the two posters, one who called me a maroon and to the other who told me to take my meds. WHO THE FUCK IS THE MAROON NOW AND WHO SHOULD BE TAKING MEDS.
Old retired guy John
Municipalities in Illinois can't declare bankruptcy. ...Read up on the topic before you comment.
This is coming from our "labor leader" who collects disability of $60,000 a year from the police pension board while collecting another $140,000 from the police union ($200,000 a year total) Both, funded by Chicago Police Officers. Now he suggests along with his diminutive companion, Mr. Emanuel, to raise property taxes for who? 95% of CPD officers own homes in the city of Chicago. So we win our pension argument in court and Dean turns around and fucks us in our own ass. I didn't vote for this goof, but I know plenty of dumbasses who did.
OT: The latest Obama outrage:
A group called the "women on 20's" now wants to change the $20 dollar bill. Serious, no joke.
"Women On 20s is a non-profit, grassroots organization which aims to compel historic change by convincing President Obama that now is the time to put a woman's face on our paper currency."
They want to put the face of Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill. Harriet Tubman was an allegedly famous abolitionist. More homage to slavery.
The faces on American currency are supposed to be easily recognizable to Americans. Most people never have heard of Harriet Tubman much less recognize her picture.
Here is the face they want on the new $20 dollar bill and they will present this to Obama soon:
The face of the proposed new $20 bill
Time to Decertify
Tippin Point
How about cut the Gold Braid
Wait *Jr is a future Gold Braid
Thought FOP was for POs?????
Stupid Sheep we are
My ass hurts!!!!!
can't believe that a Non-Elected person could even come up with this shit!!
WE ARE DOOMED.
We Fight SEMPER FI
Remember Rhama the Election
Now the fun starts
We've been Sold Out Thanks FLOP
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone is blaming Dean . Dean is not the boss it is Greg Bella . That was determined when they made a deal along with Mcdonagh and Casiano . Dean allowed him to make all the decisions such as putting Mcdonagh upstairs , replacing Gorman and De Maria , selecting an attorney who was previously fired , who paid for the mailers . Dean is slow moving , non-confrontational and basically is a coward ! Unreal ! God
Help us !
5/12/2015 07:27:00 PM
Which member of the city-wide were you?
Woo, Woo! Blue light Bob wins in 025 as the district rep. Woo, Woo!
5/12/2015 09:30:00 AM
God help us he was asked several questions today by senior officers and he was like say what? He doesn't have a clue in what he's doing. Wilder was by far the best candidate because he's smart and knew his shit in and out. Know we are dealing with blue light bob who trained 300 and makes lies up.
The insane fish
"Dean is definitely in bed with Rahm", They can share a single juvie bed together, they are little people in a big world. Little Ceaser, Edward J. Robinson look alikes. Circa 1933.
Wait *Jr is a future Gold Braid
Thought FOP was for POs?????
Stupid Sheep we are
Well do nothing
Vote of no confidence! Dean had to go!!!
Will this effect the FOP annual picnic?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How much has Maggie Daley Park cost us so far?
5/12/2015 06:43:00 PM
We have a rock-climbing wall there now!!!! Yay!!!!
Tell me again why dick daley isn't in prison?
5/12/2015 11:31:00 AM
How about it?!!!
Rhama
CHIRAQ IS JUNK UNDER YOUR WATCH
Unions may soon regret their Illinois pension victory
http://www.rebootillinois.com/2015/05/12/editors-picks/scott-reeder/unions-may-soon-regret-their-illinois-pension-victory/37741/
Shields would of never made a stupid assed comment like Dean. Rahm sized Dean up over that breakfast one year ago. Hey Dean, how did the children's books you gave Rahm work out for you, you stupid ass?
5/12/2015 05:38:00 PM
About as good as the cuff links worked that Shields gave Rahm
To 5/12/2015 11:31:00 AM
I remembered reading this in Crain's and took a copy of the to article to the FOP. No one cared. It was published on Oct 7, 2004! Plenty of warning!!
City behind on 3 pension funds
By: Sandra Jones
Retirement funds for Chicago's police, firemen and teachers ranked among the worst local-government funded retirement systems in the nation, according to a new report from Wilshire Associates Inc.
The Chicago Firemen's Annuity and Benefit Fund and the Chicago Policemen's Annuity and Benefit Fund both appeared on a list of the five worst funds based on funding ratio, or assets as a percent of liabilities, the Santa Monica, Calif.-based investment advisory firm reported.
The firemen's plan was 44% funded and the policemen's plan was 56% funded, far below the 80%-to-83% average funding ratio for the 104 city and county retirement systems in the study released Thursday. Only the Minneapolis Teachers' Retirement Fund Assn. fared worse at 43%.
Meanwhile, both the policemen's fund and the Chicago Teachers Pension Fund ranked among the five retirement systems with the biggest shortfalls, based on total dollar difference between assets and liabilities. The policemen had a $2.89 billion shortfall and the teacher's was $2.21 billion. Only the Los Angeles County Employees' Retirement Assn. ranked worse with a $4.23 billion deficit.
Tell me again why dick daley isn't in prison?
5/12/2015 11:31:00 AM
He rightly deserves to be. At the very, very least he should lose all of his government pensions and healthcare along with the city cars and butlers still at his beck and call.
Remember Miriam Santos?
She started questioning/complaining about the theft going on from our pension funds and Daley and his crew rewarded her by putting a Federal case on her and sending her off to prison!
It'd be very interesting to hear her take on things now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
How about just raising the police officer's share of fund payment too? Say, 12%
5/12/2015 07:30:00 AM
A few times over, a few years back, when the hand writting was on the wall about the solvency of our pension, that was proposed to the City.(During contract time)
The City flatly refused mainly because it would likewise affect their contribution portion. They blew it off merely as stating that they don't discuss 'retiree' benefits during contract negotiations.
If we pay more they pay more. Well, they're 'required' to anyway. We saw what happened.
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why don't you pull out your abacus
if each cop pays an additional 3% per year thats about $2500
there are 10000 cops
that's 25,000,000
$25 Million per year
the state wants Rahm to buck up $600 Million
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who is going to replace Deano as FOP Lodge 7 President?
What has Deano lined up for himself when he leaves office?
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There are only 5 guys that speak up at meetings with frequency. Elect the guys that have called out Donahue, Dorety, Shields, and Angelo. That's the guys that have my back.
America
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey Dean are you forgetting we have to live in the city. Why are you're making police pay for the pension shortage. I'm already paying over 9% of my salary and now you're gonna increase my property taxes? Then you're gonna offer an increase in our contribution. So lets add this up. My taxes are $8000.00 a year. A 10% increase is $800.00. Then youre gonna raise my contibution 3% , dont say you arent because you are, my salary is $95,000.00. So that's $2,850. For a total of $3,650 a year.
That's a lot of money to pay for the mess these politicians created by not doing their job.
I don't care how many red light cameras, speed cameras and casinos we have to build. Obey the law and dont gamble, but keep your hands out of my pocket!
5/12/2015 12:01:00 PM
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You are obviously confused. The city portion of you RE tax is probably less than a third of your total tax bill, which means that your tax will only rise by a percentage of the city portion, not the whole bill.
Pension contributions are required to paid through a tax.
It is a lie to say that the city has not made it's required contributions over the last many years because they have. The information is in the Pension Board Annual Reports, if you take the trouble to look at them. The fact is that individual and city contributions must be raised to make up for pension enhancements over past years.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Now can we get our social security benefits reinstated which were diminished by Dan Rostenkowski????
5/12/2015 02:09:00 PM
Good question. I contacted Sen Kirk and have no reply?
I explained that he could get several thousand votes in a close race with "the duck" if he got behind a reform to our social security benefits. I never get a response from dick durban? Guess they don't need public employees votes.
Anonymous said...
The Michigan Constitution also says that public sector pensions cannot be diminished or reduced. Ask City of Detroit retirees how that worked out for them.
Raise property taxes? Watch the middle class flight out of Chicago increase. What compelling reason is there to live in Chicago? Crime up, taxes up- one can live cheaper and safer in the burbs. Besides downtown, and even that is questionable, Chicago proper will one day be one big ghetto.
5/12/2015 02:55:00 PM
Yeah, go ask the retirees there rather than spouting bullshit without actual fact. In fact, those retirees AT THIS POINT IN TIME fared far batter than they would have had they taken the shitstick up the ass the shitheel bankruptcy attorney tried to get them to take.
In the end, for those dipshits who truly don't understand, in a municipal bankruptcy, ALL monies and ALL revenues are taken in as assets, not just the fucking public buildings owned by the city. Again for the dipshits, this means TIF money, which is REVENUE SIPHONED OFF THE TOP FOR POLITICAL USE LATER is an ASSET and is REVENUE or INCOME for the stupid.
Emanuel cannot hide TIF funds or the regular revenue that flows into those funds. That money is REVENUE just as our property taxes are revenue. Your property tax revenue cannot be hidden or kept from a bankruptcy judge and neither can the REVENUE already residing in and always flowing into TIF funds.
As for comparing Chiraq to Detroit? Chiraq HAS the necessary revenue to pay for ALL THE CATCHUP payments required and then some. Chiraq cannot hide property taxes away from a bankruptcy judge, nor can a bankruptcy judge ignore this revenue source as income to the city that already exists.
A bankruptcy judge cannot grant the city the right to siphon away tax dollars as "spoken for" money used for whatever the mayor wants while he tries to cry poor. ALL revenue must be taken into account when sizing up city debt. That includes TIF money, which is illegal now in California because they finally realized what it's purpose was.
So keep crying how Chiraq is broke only when it comes to paying pensions. Because while Chiraq will certainly attempt to force employees to eat the shit for their theft by feigning a bankruptcy filing, that filing will be denied as this city HAS the revenue to pay it's debt. Not wanting to because the money doesn't buy votes or campaign contributions doesn't count in bankruptcy.
And again, Detroit retirees took FAR LESS of a haircut than they would have had they just done what the city told them to do.
So let the bankruptcy bullshit begin. This city will lose it's case while at the same time the REAL books will be made public. Then the last 4 years of the carpetbagger Emanuel will be exposed as the continuing lie this city has always been.
Nice try kid..... it ain't gonna work.
And if it ever did, a far greater pool of creditors will take the hit far worse than retirees will, just as was the case in Detroit.
Anonymous said...
Everyone is blaming Dean . Dean is not the boss it is Greg Bella . That was determined when they made a deal along with Mcdonagh and Casiano . Dean allowed him to make all the decisions such as putting Mcdonagh upstairs , replacing Gorman and De Maria , selecting an attorney who was previously fired , who paid for the mailers . Dean is slow moving , non-confrontational and basically is a coward ! Unreal ! God
Help us !
5/12/2015 07:27:00 PM
Wait a minute didn't Shields find something like a $200,000 missing or absconded union deal? Is that why Shields was removed with storm trooper tactics? Say it aint so!
why do tradesman for the city receive prevailing wages of those in private sector . Trademen in private sector only work 9 months a year , no paid vacation , sweet pensions like the electrical light bulb changers that receive electricians pay .
Toll roads fees were temporary
kel744 said...
So here's my question..I've been retired for 8 years,now that the Illinois Supreme's have ruled that my benefits cannot be reduced does the city have to refund to me all the money it has illegally taken from me in the form of higher healthcare costs and reduced pension benefits?
5/12/2015 09:57:00 AM
I agree with your question if if the higher healthcare costs are part and parcel with your reduced pension benefits.
I say that because, other than the higher healthcare premiums, no other part of my pension has been affected.
Healthcare costs have gone up in the past on a yearly basis but the costs for this year were based on a new set of percentages used by the city as opposed to what was necessary due to rising healthcare costs. That, to me, is the difference. Also, in the past, we were reimbursed for healthcare cost projections that were over inflated.
Having said that, I would be satisfied if the current healthcare formula ws at least returned to what was used and monitered in the past.
Anonymous said...
Now can we get our social security benefits reinstated which were diminished by Dan Rostenkowski????
5/12/2015 02:09:00 PM
Different animal but I agree that the Rostenkoski law has to be tweaked so that it does not penalize librarians, teachers, cops,i.e: salt of the earth positions, when it was meant to curb multiple pensions higher up the political food cahain.
I had my 40 quaters in before coming on the job and got screwed too.
Anonymous said...
Detroit has TWO casinos, just saying.
5/12/2015 04:40:00 PM
Unless something has changed, they are privately owned and while the city gets it's cut, they are not owned and operated by the city.
Gross profit on a Chicago casino will be at least $600 million. Some of it will come from Rivers in Des Plaines, some from Horseshoe in Indiana, some from conventioneers, some from out-of-town visitors and some from the citizens of Chicago. After all taxes and other expenses are paid the net profit will be somewhere around $150 million. And it is not unreasonable to think the casino may actually make more than $600 million. That overcrowded 1,200 gaming position Des Plaines casino makes around 45 million a year. Chicago will have 4,000 gaming positions.
Dean is gotta go. What a waste of a vote
Tax increases are never temporary. What was Dean thinking? Next time around, we need some new blood in the F OP.
any news on the Bella lawsuit? or did Dean just make that go away?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The Michigan Constitution also says that public sector pensions cannot be diminished or reduced. Ask City of Detroit retirees how that worked out for them.
Raise property taxes? Watch the middle class flight out of Chicago increase. What compelling reason is there to live in Chicago? Crime up, taxes up- one can live cheaper and safer in the burbs. Besides downtown, and even that is questionable, Chicago proper will one day be one big ghetto.
5/12/2015 02:55:00 PM
Yeah, go ask the retirees there rather than spouting bullshit without actual fact. In fact, those retirees AT THIS POINT IN TIME fared far batter than they would have had they taken the shitstick up the ass the shitheel bankruptcy attorney tried to get them to take.
In the end, for those dipshits who truly don't understand, in a municipal bankruptcy, ALL monies and ALL revenues are taken in as assets, not just the fucking public buildings owned by the city. Again for the dipshits, this means TIF money, which is REVENUE SIPHONED OFF THE TOP FOR POLITICAL USE LATER is an ASSET and is REVENUE or INCOME for the stupid.
Emanuel cannot hide TIF funds or the regular revenue that flows into those funds. That money is REVENUE just as our property taxes are revenue. Your property tax revenue cannot be hidden or kept from a bankruptcy judge and neither can the REVENUE already residing in and always flowing into TIF funds.
As for comparing Chiraq to Detroit? Chiraq HAS the necessary revenue to pay for ALL THE CATCHUP payments required and then some. Chiraq cannot hide property taxes away from a bankruptcy judge, nor can a bankruptcy judge ignore this revenue source as income to the city that already exists.
A bankruptcy judge cannot grant the city the right to siphon away tax dollars as "spoken for" money used for whatever the mayor wants while he tries to cry poor. ALL revenue must be taken into account when sizing up city debt. That includes TIF money, which is illegal now in California because they finally realized what it's purpose was.
So keep crying how Chiraq is broke only when it comes to paying pensions. Because while Chiraq will certainly attempt to force employees to eat the shit for their theft by feigning a bankruptcy filing, that filing will be denied as this city HAS the revenue to pay it's debt. Not wanting to because the money doesn't buy votes or campaign contributions doesn't count in bankruptcy.
And again, Detroit retirees took FAR LESS of a haircut than they would have had they just done what the city told them to do.
So let the bankruptcy bullshit begin. This city will lose it's case while at the same time the REAL books will be made public. Then the last 4 years of the carpetbagger Emanuel will be exposed as the continuing lie this city has always been.
Nice try kid..... it ain't gonna work.
And if it ever did, a far greater pool of creditors will take the hit far worse than retirees will, just as was the case in Detroit.
5/13/2015 08:36:00 AM
Agreed, the city would have to show all its cards! All the hidden 505 funds, the hidden secret funds, rahms piggy bank tif funds! Then they would have to expose who gets all the money, the dots would be connected as to who owns who? Who paid off who? Assets could be sold we still have 2 airports, plus how many buildings? Trillions in assets before your completely broke, this pension mess is hidden cash rahm and the rest choose not to pay into it! Bankrupt hardly never going to happen austerity from rahm cutting alderman and committees and their staffs will not happen watch treasure hunter rahm find the cash, like he finds billions for river-walk, daley park, miles of bike lanes, new curbs,new streets, many new cta buses and train cars, building new public schools at a rapid pace, walking trails along abandoned railroad tracks yep Chicago is flush now "show us the money sir!"
I agree with your question if if the higher healthcare costs are part and parcel with your reduced pension benefits.
I say that because, other than the higher healthcare premiums, no other part of my pension has been affected.
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Good time to get greedy...geezez!
kel744 said...
So here's my question..I've been retired for 8 years,now that the Illinois Supreme's have ruled that my benefits cannot be reduced does the city have to refund to me all the money it has illegally taken from me in the form of higher healthcare costs and reduced pension benefits?
5/12/2015 09:57:00 AM
Have to agree with you. Also have been retired 8 years and read an article in the Tribune today that the healthcare was included in the supreme court ruling. Would be interesting how this will be handled by the FOP or some interested lawyer. Especially the last 2 years when Rahm reduced the citys share of the retirees health care premiums. That was not negotiated, but implimented
Anonymous said...
How about just raising the police officer's share of fund payment too? Say, 12%
5/12/2015 07:30:00 AM
I have a better idea. How about reducing to 2%, the amount that CPS teachers actually pay. Maybe if they paid the 9% or your suggestion of 12% the CPS would not have to raise their share of the property tax to the max amount allowed by law, something they have done for years, while the cityholds the line on their increase. Considering the portion of the total property bill for the CPS is 51% and the city share is 18 % and the number of teachers,it would make a considerable difference
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey Dean are you forgetting we have to live in the city. Why are you're making police pay for the pension shortage. I'm already paying over 9% of my salary and now you're gonna increase my property taxes? Then you're gonna offer an increase in our contribution. So lets add this up. My taxes are $8000.00 a year. A 10% increase is $800.00. Then youre gonna raise my contibution 3% , dont say you arent because you are, my salary is $95,000.00. So that's $2,850. For a total of $3,650 a year.
That's a lot of money to pay for the mess these politicians created by not doing their job.
I don't care how many red light cameras, speed cameras and casinos we have to build. Obey the law and dont gamble, but keep your hands out of my pocket!
5/12/2015 12:01:00 PM
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You are obviously confused. The city portion of you RE tax is probably less than a third of your total tax bill, which means that your tax will only rise by a percentage of the city portion, not the whole bill.
You are 100% correct. The citys share of the Cook County tax bill is 18%. what else that should be considered in that changes to the CPS would be more effective because the CPS share of the tax bill is 51% and they have considerably more employees
Shields would of never made a stupid assed comment like Dean.
You are right Shield's would have forgot to make a comment.
I truly believe we are so screwed with this putz at the helm.
Raise property taxes? Watch the middle class flight out of Chicago increase. What compelling reason is there to live in Chicago? Crime up, taxes up- one can live cheaper and safer in the burbs. Besides downtown, and even that is questionable, Chicago proper will one day be one big ghetto
The voice of doom again. Who says the suburbs are cheaper. Not the nice north or northwest suburbs. Home are expensive, real estate taxes are high. Plenty of people want to live in the nice areas of Chicago and want to be close to downtown and the near north for the entertainment. Not everyone is a po constantly complaining and whining. Talk to the young people, they want to be near downtown and the "action" Most leave the suburbs to be closer. Also people don't like the long ride to and from the suburbs to work downtown,especially during rush hour. If Chicago is so bad why cant you get a reservation at the good restaurants, a ticket for most of the sporting events, and why are all the weekend fests packed. There is more to Chicago than the CPD and your neighborhood. Read these weeks paper about property values going up on the near north side. Most have almost returned to pre recession values.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Now can we get our social security benefits reinstated which were diminished by Dan Rostenkowski????
5/12/2015 02:09:00 P
In case you haven't heard, the government is looking for additional revenue,not looking to give you additional revenue like SS They are looking to cut the SS, not pay more out. I would think by the responses from Kirk and Durbin, you could have figured that out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who is going to replace Deano as FOP Lodge 7 President?
What has Deano lined up for himself when he leaves office?
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You don't know? Why none other than Dean Angelo Jr. He will have his name on the ballot as Dean Angelo and he will win. Like the Clinton's, they won't go away.
Greg Bella says go fuck yourself!
05/13/2015 7:23 PM. You are absolutely correct. Wait till the the "everything is better in the suburbs" crowd get a look at their property tax bill. Those good schools out there cost a fortune. Good if you have school age kids, not so good if you are retired. Property values in the city? Try buying a house in any decent North Side neighborhood, very expensive and prices still heading straight up. Lots of great neighborhoods. Gets better all the time.
I live in Will county and my propwett taxws are 8000.00, not always cheaper
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