FOP Meeting Fail
Tuesday there was an FOP meeting. During it, Dean Angelo pretty much failed to answer a single question honestly or competently. From the comment section, we got this:
- Highlights from FOP meeting yesterday:
Mr. Angelo speech:
-says he was misquoted in the paper but admitted everyone needs to "share" (pension debt). Never explained how non-property owners will "share".
-avoided question and never gave a definition of "non-discressionary personnel" in the comp time agreement. (Doesnt everyone "share" already with taxes?)
-says the "15%" elective time off (Dean's agreement) has problems. Never addressed why he signed off on it.
-Sabich from 009 knew more about this agreement than dean.
-refused to identify the person in HR/MLAS by name.
-denied negotiating pension with Emanuel but when asked if Emanuel is lying, "No".
-Admitted he hasn't submitted any new legislation, even though he campaigned on it.
-said if you want a by-law change, you have to see him and he will help write it.
-cameras coming to 015 next.
-admitted to being a witness to part of Shields lawsuit.
-was told not to mediate and to sue Shields for lossed overtime. (Everyone agreed).
An e-mailer related that Dean made four proposals for pension relief, but the media only quoted the one regarding raising property taxes. Um, duh. The media does Rahm's bidding Dean, not the FOP's. And now Rahm has you known as the guy proposing raising property taxes. Nice job there.
As to the HR/MLAS person being unidentified, we still haven't seen an answer to the question posed in our comment section asking if you do/did in fact live in the same neighborhood and attend the same school as Don O'Neill, head of MLAS. That might be the answer everyone is looking for.
If the Department is misinterpreting and misapplying the 15% time due memorandum of understanding, why isn't it being grieved? We do have lawyers on staff, right?
Most amusing was the 10-hour day survey. This little handout wasn't helpful:
As to the HR/MLAS person being unidentified, we still haven't seen an answer to the question posed in our comment section asking if you do/did in fact live in the same neighborhood and attend the same school as Don O'Neill, head of MLAS. That might be the answer everyone is looking for.
If the Department is misinterpreting and misapplying the 15% time due memorandum of understanding, why isn't it being grieved? We do have lawyers on staff, right?
Most amusing was the 10-hour day survey. This little handout wasn't helpful:
Keep in mind - this was the survey conducted by the CITY, not the FOP. We have no idea what the questions were, but from various reports from 005, they were loaded so that the city got the responses they wanted, not the responses that would reflect an honest assessment of the program. There was no word from Dean if the FOP planned to consider their own survey - he kept referring to the survey as if he was accepting the findings without rebuttal or exploration. 58% isn't a very good indicator of anything. Addressing the survey itself, we got these points from various e-mailers:
- As we've stated here many times, the start times suck.
- The time between the end-of-tour and court is going to result in more deviations and more unsuccessful prosecutions.
- Of course, tact and saturation units prefer the schedule - they aren't tied to the radio and they're ducking early.
With this type of leadership, Dean might be the last president the FOP ever has in Chicago.
Labels: FOP, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:37 AM
125 Comments:
Can we recall these guys?
A special thanks to all of you idiots who voted for this slate. Dougherty wasn't the answer, but there was a third candidate for president. Dougherty and crew were there for years, Angelo and some of his crew were already there too. Term limits. 2 terms, no matter what spot you hold. Decertify already. You don't represent the district copper at all. Rahm is gonna stick it right in our ear, like he said. I am embarrassed by this crew. Your 1st v.p. barely has a grasp of the English language, Bella was being sued by the last crew, Dean Sr hasn't worked a beat car in ages, and his son is waiting in the wings. After 20+ yrs, I have seen this organization steadily decline. I'm at the tail end. Things should be better at this point. Guess what....they're not. I feel helpless, as my vote means nothing and my opinion means nothing. Disgruntled doesn't begin to describe it.
Anybody that voted for Disability Dean is a fool.
He comes in, gets his required number of meetings, some financial backers and runs and wins the FOP presidency.
So where was he for the prior 15 years?? Where we didn't see hide nor hair of him or hear him at a single meeting for about 15 years? Got his disability (for what) and hid at college as a professor.
Mike Shields might not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer. If he was the office staff wouldn't have found it and stuck it in his back.
Is Dean a Republican?
Because watching McConnell, Boehner and the other idiots flail around in DC, I cannot see much difference in the FOP leadership.
It just maybe time for him to go.
This in fighting, back biting and incompetence is why as a retiree I am no longer an FOP member. This new leadership is awful.
FOP leadership is flakey.
"...cameras coming to 015 next..."
..to get footage of officers being motherf__ed. Local media will be clamoring for the immediate release of this material, you can be sure.
>pfft<
Dean has been bought. I hate to say it.
Maybe they can have a meeting about all the micromanaging that is going on and the constant nagging over activity. Even if you give them their bs activity, they still nag. 004 is totally micromanaged.
Dean Angelo is a snake. I talked to board members and each one said he moved forward with the 10 hour day and time due without consulting the board. How is this guy not brought up on charges yet?
That survey is horse S---
Completely typical, FOP burning the candle at bought ends. FOP at in my opinion is useless on almost all levels.
We will never wake up. The FOP and the city are linked like one big circle jerk.
We are to dumb to stick together. Why is it truck drivers and other workers for the city make upwards of $50.00 per hour?
We put our lives on the line everyday for less than that. The city has a boat load of money. They only spend it on that ghetto vote.
Here is what I don't understand. First of all, our own union is fighting against us. The first thing we need to do is elect people of integrity that are going to fight for our interest.
Last week our own union president opened his mouth and said "property taxes will need to go up". Who the fuck is he? Why is he carrying the water and message on behalf of Mayor Emanuel? Not only does it seem like he is working in sync with the mayor, he is working with the mayor. This is something not even a 16 year old would do. Yet he did it and he continues to side with the city against us. These are not a single or two small mistakes. These are purposeful and concerted actions to diminish our wages and benefits. The guy doing this isn't the mayor or some alderman. Nope, he is our own union president.
Time to decertify the FOP. It has turned in to a self serving playhouse for a select few.
Deano will do as he wants and as he is told.
It don't matter. In 025 there's always certain people who always get time off without trouble. Why some can even change their start times to go with sporting events.
We need good people to start attending meetings.
Fresh blood is in short supply! The seniors and Dean have taken the gifts of Rahm. It is so obvious when the board doe not sit behind its leader you know they see the writing on the wall.
And Dean cannot be that DUMB and not know that many answers!
May be The FOP board should bring notes to the meeting of relevant topic. The basic 10 hr day/ pension news/ body cameras/Changing of the mustache rule/baseball cap illegal.
Even his son did not go to the meeting!
You guys elected this dud. You guys asked for it, you got it. I didn't vote for him. I remember Nolan and Dean's earlier incarnation in the upper FOP. Now you will be stuck with Dean Angelo Jr next. That's the Chicago way.
-- Retired guy
Angelo was at the retirement seminar yesterday also at 35th.
He spoke a grand total for about 3 minutes before he left the stage.
What the Fu%k ?!?!
Dean is now officially Rahm's spokeperson, and Rahm has taken over the FOP through Dean. . . .. Must have been drinking the kool aid.
Our choice for Fop leaders suck, just like choices for mayor, governor, president, etc.... we're fucked, this dean guy has really turned out to be a piece of work though....
Dean Angelo seems like a nice guy, but not a very astute politician. He is saying that he can do some things that don't make sense. I think he is in over his head and/or in bed with the city. I fear a little bit of both.
As for the 10 hour days, Dean insists we are not going there next year, but from what I hear and see I have a bad feeling about this. I hope Dean is right, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.
Dean PHD (pretty high diploma) doctor dean really shows how an education can be misused! It is said there is a fine line between to much education and insanity think dean is insane? Maybe he needs to meet with new director of county jail she treats insanity for a free evaluation!
I"ve said it for years, dump the FOP and become self unioned. It's been done by other Departments with great success.
Why do we pay huge salaries to a any copper who has no real clue of negotiating or labor laws We pay lawyers to look at everything anyway.
Sell that building on Washington. Hire a law firm to represent/negotiate for us and we will have a real say so in everything.
A law firm would keep the City in check on our contractual rights. Come out to Police involved shootings to make sure you were represented on the spot.. Go with coppers answering CR allegations etc.
If you believe only a copper can get us the best deal/contract because they are cops, and are worth the Hugh cost, then why isn't Michael Jordan the one negotiating for all the NBA players?
I understand that questions and issues brought up by members at the general meeting could be difficult to answer correctly without some research.
But why not record all the questions and issues and start the next months meeting with answers or the Lodges official position on issues.
Perhaps a general meeting response section on the website.
There certainly has to be a better way to make these meetings more productive keeping our member better informed and our elected leadership more accountable.
Currently it seems as if important issues are brought up at meetings and go unanswered and are never addressed.
Concerned FOP member
I would love to get the 10 hour days. The only change needed is to make it three watches.
I was at the disastrous meeting. Early on Dean said that according to the survey, 2/3 of officers like the 10 hour day. Tom McDonnough showed up late and talked about the survey. When a PO said that 2/3 of POs like the longer day, Tom firmly corrected this PO and said, "no". 2/3 of POs completed the survey. So these guys, who are making decisions on our behalf, don't even understand this survey? Dean seemed quite satisfied that most POs like the 10 hour day. I am afraid that this goof is going to agree to it.
The Fraternal Order of Police is just one of many labor organizations who provide employee representation. Don't listen to all the nonsense about starting over. The only loss is the FOP doesn't have to turn over cash and assets. At this point I don't care about that, I'd rather have another union represent us professionally. Unfortunately, lodge 7 is broken beyond repair and run largely by incompetent individuals. The few knowledgable and experienced ones get frustrated with all the infighting and wannabe politicians. CPD deserves better. Food for thought: last year at this time the president was teaching at a community college on disability from the job and the Vice President was a range instructor. You get what you vote for boys and girls.
scc
10 hour days are a nightmare. Fatigue will get people killed and ruin lives. This job already stressful in 8 hour days. We can not let this happen.. Many studies show this.
OT
I know mike Pigott takes a beating on the blog but he stood up for his guys big time at compstat today!!!!!
Sup said he thought the 10 hour days were great for 5, Pigott said i disagree, our spike in crimes are right around the time the guys are hitting the 9-10 hour mark. Supt told him to adjust his starting times to which Pigott related he has tried but was told no by MLAS.
Chief Tracy told dep johnson to not just look into it but get it done!!!!
Career wise, not good to out someone, but forget all that, Pigott was stand up today.
OT....Proposed Illinois law would allow government bodies to declare bankruptcy
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/29120286/illinois-law-allow-government-bodies-declare-bankruptcy
And here we go.
What an ass clown is dean. Who ever voted for this stroke what were you thinking????? How has the fop become such a joke?
MoFo deanAngelo is slepping with Rham-bone
I do not understand how tactical officers duck early , don't they have to swipe in and out
if they don't the commander should be dumped
At the time, Dean Angelo was a better alternative than the backstabber Dougherty. But now, it's time for Dean to go.
How could Dean be so dumb? He claimed at the meeting that he wasn't negotiating our pensions. Then he says that Rahm came up to his office for 45 minutes after the memorial. What were they talking about Rahm's interest in helping our members? Whoever sent you the information from the meeting SCC is spot on. Every time Dean was asked a question from the members he turned to either Bella or the attorney looking for an answer. Its sad, this guy is the president of one of the largest police unions in the country and he has no clue. What a bad time to have someone this incompetent as our voice for pensions. Or is he that incompetent? maybe he was put in there by City hall? Either way we can't trust him to protect our contract let alone our pension.
I work in saturation south. I am in favor for the 10.5 hour schedule as long as it is in a unit. I still like the 4-2 schedule too. I do not like the 10.5 hour schedule for a beat car. There is definitely no need to extend the day for a beat car. They have plenty to do as it is during their tour. Being in a unit, we arent chasing the radio or dealing with nonsense jobs that make you want to pull your hair out at times.
The silence of our Union speaks volumes about what is about to happen to us. We have been sold out .
So perhaps all non-beat cars should work the 10.5 hour schedule instead? Sat. teams, rapid response, Tact and gang?
Dean is sounding more and more like a MORON every time I hear about him. He isn't being %100 truthful with FOP members. I've always thought it a bad idea to have a retiree be FOP president. No offense to retirees, but you guys are in the ultimate KMA club.
I'm leaving this shit job as soon as financially possible. The sacrifice is not worth the money anymore. The City can stuff this job right up their ass!!!!!!!
Angelo is a clown, just another member of the suck ass club. No different then all the other handjobs with their BS college degrees who think they are rocket scientists. Just another moron who got a degree from a college no one ever heard of.
Mike Shields might not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer. If he was the office staff wouldn't have found it and stuck it in his back.
5/21/2015 12:53:00 AM
Mike please STFU and KEEP taking your meds kid! You're immaturity is only matched by you're arrogance and ignorance. You made a mistake because you were focused on EGO. But you know what your biggest sin was? You blamed others for your blunder. How's that beat car smell btw?
What? How can Disability D2A Dean be the last FOP president ever in Chicago?? Is Lodge 7 moving to Schaumburg???
do not forget about he behind the scenes professional back stabber crapparelli he has a big role in all of this too
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here is what I don't understand. First of all, our own union is fighting against us. The first thing we need to do is elect people of integrity that are going to fight for our interest.
Last week our own union president opened his mouth and said "property taxes will need to go up". Who the fuck is he? Why is he carrying the water and message on behalf of Mayor Emanuel? Not only does it seem like he is working in sync with the mayor, he is working with the mayor. This is something not even a 16 year old would do. Yet he did it and he continues to side with the city against us. These are not a single or two small mistakes. These are purposeful and concerted actions to diminish our wages and benefits. The guy doing this isn't the mayor or some alderman. Nope, he is our own union president.
5/21/2015 06:18:00 AM
Dean with the fake degree obviously wants to be a political animal, right dean? Turning taxpayers against us what did rahms tell you to due this during your 45 minute meeting at our fop hall, in your private office? Dean shut up pease, your an idiot a you still milking the pension fund taking disability checks? Double helping of cash? Don't go away mad please just go away resign man up total failure dean!
Will we still have our annual FOP picnic and pony ride?
Wasn't there talk.of ed hurt running for president?
The question needs to be asked if any if his field reps are currently being investigated for leaking stories to a magazine and getting caught ? This regime has a history of not being honest . Rumor the superintendent wants to fire this person! Is that true Dean ? Heard he's one of the "CLEAN SLATE" people !!!!
I"ve said it for years, dump the FOP and become self unioned. It's been done by other Departments with great success.
Why do we pay huge salaries to a any copper who has no real clue of negotiating or labor laws We pay lawyers to look at everything anyway.
Sell that building on Washington. Hire a law firm to represent/negotiate for us and we will have a real say so in everything.
A law firm would keep the City in check on our contractual rights. Come out to Police involved shootings to make sure you were represented on the spot.. Go with coppers answering CR allegations etc.
If you believe only a copper can get us the best deal/contract because they are cops, and are worth the Hugh cost, then why isn't Michael Jordan the one negotiating for all the NBA players?
....................................
I like this idea! What would we need to do to start the process?
(OT) The treasurer hunter must of found billions hooray err not for pensions rahm, shuffled the decak again?
Rahm just announced building new concession areas at O'Hare, New rental car buildings,and starting the high speed rail project downtown! Wow another find! Hello alderman solve the pension crisis you have to pay the bills before you create new bills correct? basic budgeting 101!
Curious George Cardenas here is more money found tax the suburban visitors err not yet, rahm must be Irish finding the pot O Gold at the end of the rainbow, or at the end of the perceived storm cloud!
Who's getting the contract for the body camera data storage?
This might be the biggest caper in CPD budgeting history.
Only a major kingpin from the Daley/Emanuel crime family will be allowed this one.
9:39...
Nice to hear what Pigott did at Compstat.
I worked for him for a period of time and found him to be a common sense, decent guy.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I work in saturation south. I am in favor for the 10.5 hour schedule as long as it is in a unit. I still like the 4-2 schedule too. I do not like the 10.5 hour schedule for a beat car. There is definitely no need to extend the day for a beat car. They have plenty to do as it is during their tour. Being in a unit, we arent chasing the radio or dealing with nonsense jobs that make you want to pull your hair out at times.
5/21/2015 11:04:00 AM
This officer gets it, now get him a cookie.
Our schedule for Sheriffs Police is 3 on 2 off, 5 on 4 off. 10 hr days (1st-2100-0700, 2nd-0600-1600 and 3rd-1500-0100). Regular Days Off every week are either Monday/Tuesday or Thursday/Friday and every other Saturday/Sunday. It's an awesome schedule and good coverage. It's an extra 2 hours/day but well worth the 4 days off. Add 30hrs of time and get 9 days off, plenty of days for unannounced trip. Make it work for you, not THEM! Be safe.
Dean will go down as the worst FOP president in history. Amazing considering Shields was his competition.
The Fraternal Order of Police is just one of many labor organizations who provide employee representation. Don't listen to all the nonsense about starting over. The only loss is the FOP doesn't have to turn over cash and assets. At this point I don't care about that, I'd rather have another union represent us professionally. Unfortunately, lodge 7 is broken beyond repair and run largely by incompetent individuals.
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The same could be said of virtually all labor unions these days. I suspect it has to do as much as anything with entrenched leadership that becomes unresponsive to the needs of the members. Not much different than politics in that respect, or in other organizations.
best thing you can do with most organizations is to sweep out the leadership periodically and start over.
The detective Division association has hired a law firm to explore the Dick's option on breaking away from the FOP. The city would love it because it would weaken the Fop numbers and the dicks could do there own negotiating at contract time. They would piggy back the fop7 contract wins like the sgt, Lts unions. The det's in the area seem very interested in breaking away from FOP too.
I have a theory about all this...liberals like Rahm hate us...so the 10.5 day accomplishes two things...makes us more miserable, hence leading to much less activity and fewer arrests....but it assures that more criminals will be free(not in jail) to vote for Democrat candidates...this will be made possible when Obama issues his final executive order which allows criminals and felons to vote...if you think I'm crazy then you don't understand liberals nor what Obama is doing to this country...just wait to see the pardons he issues in his final days...the 10.5 hr day is just a small thing really...but I believe him and the media are destroying police morale nationally with their anti police racist narratives they create. Ferguson and Baltimore are just the beginning of his Grand social experiment. The end is the next civil war...smoke em if ya got em.
At the time, Dean Angelo was a better alternative than the backstabber Dougherty. But now, it's time for Dean to go.
You do drink the kool aid brother. The alternative is someone who "steals" from our pension fund for over ten years while making $120,000 as a professor at Calumet College. We've elected two presidents in a row that are in way over there heads. The difference under Shields was that there were inside people who knew what they were doing and that won cases for us. Dean's crew calls Don O'Neill and asks him how he interprets the contract and goes with that answer. No wonder Dean talks about his professional ways. This is not the guy that is going to protect our pensions. I'm retired and I'm worried, I can imagine how active officers feel.
A special thanks to all of you idiots who voted for this slate. Dougherty wasn't the answer, but there was a third candidate for president.
There was more than three candidates. If your referring to McDonough. He is the reason Dean is in there. Dean gave him an inside spot for his support even after he campaigned on putting in representatives that were elected by the membership. He lied right from the get go. Keith Carter, Marlon Harvey, Tom McDonough didn't win their elections but were taken care of. Dan Gorman and Frank Dimaria did win. Lets face it we have 8 reps now because Bella is the only one that can answer questions without calling MLAS. How are we saving money?
Dean said one year ago that Baum and Sigmund would only cost $10,000 per month. Ask to see the books. I was told by a board member that the figure is more like $60,000-$70,000 per month. It must be nice to take care of your friends with our money!
Anonymous said...
How could Dean be so dumb? He claimed at the meeting that he wasn't negotiating our pensions. Then he says that Rahm came up to his office for 45 minutes after the memorial. What were they talking about Rahm's interest in helping our members? Whoever sent you the information from the meeting SCC is spot on. Every time Dean was asked a question from the members he turned to either Bella or the attorney looking for an answer. Its sad, this guy is the president of one of the largest police unions in the country and he has no clue. What a bad time to have someone this incompetent as our voice for pensions. Or is he that incompetent? maybe he was put in there by City hall? Either way we can't trust him to protect our contract let alone our pension.
5/21/2015 10:53:00 AM
Dean is not incompetent. He is perfectly competent. He knows what he is doing and he isn't working for us, that is sure. We see it with his actions. He has no business in neogitating our pension yet he does it. He acts dumb but is smart and soon he will be laughing all the way to the bank.
10 hours is nice , but I would prefer a 12 hour shift , 3 days a week , 4 off every 4th week wuou work 4 off 4 . that would be better than cfd
You guys elected this dud. You guys asked for it, you got it. I didn't vote for him. I remember Nolan and Dean's earlier incarnation in the upper FOP. Now you will be stuck with Dean Angelo Jr next. That's the Chicago way.
-- Retired guy
5/21/2015 07:08:00 AM
You guys? I'd be more than willing to bet the retirees were responsible for voting this cazzo into office.
OT: Guys, if you're going to drive an unmarked the wrong way on Altgeld with no lights activated, don't yell at the driver who's going the right way up the street. No lights, no turn signal, no way to know you're the police or where you intend to drive... is not MY fault. I'm good, but not psychic. ;-)
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http://moonbattery.com/?p=58702
Obama Spending $163 Million on Fellow Community Organizers to Stir Up More Trouble in Baltimore
Garry quoted in Tribune.
"We've made 17,000 less arrests over the last two years," McCarthy said. "I told you mass incarceration is a huge issue in the community and rightfully so.
I think it's because all the coppers don;t give a Fuck anymore.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dean has been bought. I hate to say it.
5/21/2015 03:04:00 AM
Thanks Detective!
"The time between the end-of-tour and court is going to result in more deviations and more unsuccessful prosecutions."
Perhaps "more unsuccessful prosecutions" are a goal? They certainly are for Team Obama.
Does dean or fop have any authority to negotiate any pension changes?
Deans problem is he is a nice guy. I'm no fan for my own reasons but Dean needs to come clean on Dougherty, DiMaria and Aguilar. Dougherty threatened to sue the FOP if they didn't give him his retro pay at his Captains rate. The very retro he, DiMaria and Aguilar failed to protect for all of us for political gain. They used Shields failure to conduct a coup. It is disgusting that Dougherty and his crew got retro at captains rate. Dean should have blown him up at the meeting as well as Aguilar and Frank DiMaria who yelled at a Board meeting that he was owed captains retro pay. Don't believe me read the minutes just like I did. So before you cruxify Dean look at the money changers.
(OT) all coppers in Baltimore indicted today by grand jury the 4 month in office states attorney piled on more charges:
http://www.wfsb.com/story/29127927/2015/05/21/officers-indicted-in-freddie-gray-death
Wonder if grand jury felt threatened to do this? What was make up jury? Racially the elephant in the room? Look at the charges wow! That girl went to town to drag police down! Message to "hard chargers" look at this here, how many Baltimore bosses are speaking out in favor of coppers? Crickets yep! Do you think here anymore gold stars would try to give you benefit of doubt? Back each other up,certain people don't want police to help "can you hear them now?" You know before you get involved in a situation where no one wanted you to do anything but you did the job!
Lt Conroy 3rd watch 025 playing games more than likely being fueled by Mario Pena. He is not allowing men and women check the day off requests book at time of request so you don't know if you have a chance of getting the he day off
Hey Pat, strap a set of balls on and take care of your watch
What happened to you
You used to have a set
But no more
Lt Conroy take care of your troops the right way
Anonymous Joe Smith said...
Lt Conroy 3rd watch 025 playing games more than likely being fueled by Mario Pena. He is not allowing men and women check the day off requests book at time of request so you don't know if you have a chance of getting the he day off
Hey Pat, strap a set of balls on and take care of your watch
What happened to you
You used to have a set
But no more
5/21/2015 06:57:00 PM
Maybe he watched the Bruce Jenner interview and is getting ideas!
I think Conroy had lost his micro managing mind
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dean has been bought. I hate to say it.
5/21/2015 03:04:00 AM
Thanks Detective!
5/21/2015 05:54:00 PM
Coppers are hilarious!!!!!
Anonymous said...
You guys elected this dud. You guys asked for it, you got it. I didn't vote for him. I remember Nolan and Dean's earlier incarnation in the upper FOP. Now you will be stuck with Dean Angelo Jr next. That's the Chicago way.
-- Retired guy
5/21/2015 07:08:00 AM
You guys? I'd be more than willing to bet the retirees were responsible for voting this cazzo into office.
5/21/2015 04:26:00 PM
Not this retiree.
Paul V. was sending emails to his network on his email lists, extolling Dean's virtues and more, all bullshit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The detective Division association has hired a law firm to explore the Dick's option on breaking away from the FOP. The city would love it because it would weaken the Fop numbers and the dicks could do there own negotiating at contract time. They would piggy back the fop7 contract wins like the sgt, Lts unions. The det's in the area seem very interested in breaking away from FOP too.
5/21/2015 02:45:00 PM
Did the Detective's Assn ever get accredited as a REAL organization?
Wow way to drop a dime on the saturation and tact guys. Same team here bro.
Anonymous said...
Deans problem is he is a nice guy. I'm no fan for my own reasons but Dean needs to come clean on Dougherty, DiMaria and Aguilar. Dougherty threatened to sue the FOP if they didn't give him his retro pay at his Captains rate. The very retro he, DiMaria and Aguilar failed to protect for all of us for political gain. They used Shields failure to conduct a coup. It is disgusting that Dougherty and his crew got retro at captains rate. Dean should have blown him up at the meeting as well as Aguilar and Frank DiMaria who yelled at a Board meeting that he was owed captains retro pay. Don't believe me read the minutes just like I did. So before you cruxify Dean look at the money changers.
5/21/2015 06:46:00 PM
Now after reading this comment, if you don't believe that FOP the fraternity is not about the money, think again.
Get those petitions and 3,000 signatures for a real union. BGA should investigate the two or three sets of books they have
Deans problem is he is a nice guy. I'm no fan for my own reasons but Dean needs to come clean on Dougherty, DiMaria and Aguilar. Dougherty threatened to sue the FOP if they didn't give him his retro pay at his Captains rate. The very retro he, DiMaria and Aguilar failed to protect for all of us for political gain. They used Shields failure to conduct a coup. It is disgusting that Dougherty and his crew got retro at captains rate. Dean should have blown him up at the meeting as well as Aguilar and Frank DiMaria who yelled at a Board meeting that he was owed captains retro pay. Don't believe me read the minutes just like I did. So before you cruxify Dean look at the money changers.
5/21/2015 06:46:00 PM
Where do we find the minutes?
I checked my old FOP books. It was 2002 that disability DR DEAN was the chairman of the trustees under Bill Nolan. Their entire slate of incumbents were swept from office in the 2002 election. The first time in the history of the FOP all the incumbents were not elected. Simply because Dean, Big Bob and Bill Nolan lied to the membership regarding our healthcare. They signed a temporary agreement with the city but told the membership at the general meeting they did not sign a temporary agreement. It went to the arbitrator and he told us they lied to us and none of them were re-elected. 12 years later everybody forgets the big lie and re-elects DR Dean. Sounds like he is up to his old tricks with his buddy at MLAS.
(OT) I spy more money found another 100 million spent!this treasure hunting game is really fun, rahm the pension money payments please before you shuffle the money away again!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-riverwalk-opening-met-0522-20150521-story.html
Aguliar is still around? I hope he was paid what he had coming to him and he goes on with his own life. Sorry to say, but what's right is right, but please don't run again.
Makes me think, we all got retro thanks to the current administration correcting Mikey's late letter, but we all got what we had coming to us. If we think we should get OT retro, then we need to get a petition demanding FOP sue Shields and depose the entire previous Board and everyone who signed in to the meeting where Mikey told everyone he was sending the letter. Maybe someone can verify but i think the petition needs to be 50% of who would be entitled to the retro.
I really could careless
BTW I wish I didn't have to pay my Dues either
Lt Conroy one more thing......quit asking people why they need the day off when they give you a slip. Its none of your business why someone wants off.
Anonymous Joe Smith said...
Lt Conroy 3rd watch 025 playing games more than likely being fueled by Mario Pena. He is not allowing men and women check the day off requests book at time of request so you don't know if you have a chance of getting the he day off
Hey Pat, strap a set of balls on and take care of your watch
What happened to you
You used to have a set
But no more
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Hope not true. When I was there Lt PC was always a standup guy. Very old school and set in his ways, but never asked much from me and always a good guy.
Doctor Dean is delusional . Think about all the people he took care of ? Let's see 1.) Daniel Herbert , Mike Shields old attorney , 2.) Tom McDonagh , his future opponent , 3.) Keith Carter , 4.) Marlon Harvey , Shields guy , 5.) Landry Reeves , and finally 6.) Inez Riley .
Greg Bella runs the show ! He selects who works as field reps and who gets more of the cushier committees .
John Catanzara how's the picnic coming :/) ? Doctor Dean has made more side deals than any other president we have had . The real shame is the people who helped him get elected were tossed out before the runoff. If this was the Godfather movie down of them would have been in the front seat with the Conolli !
This blog almost endorsed Dean
Can we have Mike Shields back?
I have no confidence whatsoever in Dean and his boys.
The problem in 25 is....
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A asshole
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I know mike Pigott takes a beating on the blog but he stood up for his guys big time at compstat today!!!!!
Sup said he thought the 10 hour days were great for 5, Pigott said i disagree, our spike in crimes are right around the time the guys are hitting the 9-10 hour mark. Supt told him to adjust his starting times to which Pigott related he has tried but was told no by MLAS.
Chief Tracy told dep johnson to not just look into it but get it done!!!!
Career wise, not good to out someone, but forget all that, Pigott was stand up today.
As someone who must attend, I was surprised and downright gleeful at Capt Pigott's response. And can help him get some moving boxes, cuz McFlurry will be sending him far away from home.
I"ve said it for years, dump the FOP and become self unioned. It's been done by other Departments with great success.
IM IN Lets start the ball rolling!
Dean is a complete fuck up. His arrogance is glaring. He spent half of his career at home getting paid. This klown wants Shields to get paid! You dumb shits elected Dean. What a waste
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is Dean a Republican?
Because watching McConnell, Boehner and the other idiots flail around in DC, I cannot see much difference in the FOP leadership.
5/21/2015 12:53:00 AM
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Obama, Reid, Pelosi ????
Go with Donahue and Dougherty and wash and wax Rahm's car. Get Hurley's car too!
Remember the head of the City-Wide Team endorsed Rahm after he screwed every retiree!!!
Dougherty, Ag-u-liar, and their leader Mark (I support Rahm) Donahue are in deep do do.
Rumor has it that when the Shields law suit is settled with the state fop they are all going to be sued by the insurance carrier that covers the state lodge’s malpractice insurance for the costs of willfully violating the state by-laws. I got it from a fop guy from the county that the above listed conspirator’s emails were recovered for the state’s computers and they up the creek without a paddle. Dean knows it and has to evade the questions until the litigation is over.
That’s why the former state lodge president abruptly dropped out of his race for re-election at the 11th hour.
Take this to the bank.
Dean Jr. was elected to the last board w/o his father being on the ticket. The kid will never be able to run for anything other than trustee until his father steps down.
Go to a meeting and listen to the same five or six guys at the mic every meeting with the idiotic questions.
We need new blood to become unit and watch reps. Otherwise we better hope the recently retired guys stay alive because the next group up to run the union are all morons.
Anonymous said...
Our schedule for Sheriffs Police is 3 on 2 off, 5 on 4 off. 10 hr days (1st-2100-0700, 2nd-0600-1600 and 3rd-1500-0100). Regular Days Off every week are either Monday/Tuesday or Thursday/Friday and every other Saturday/Sunday. It's an awesome schedule and good coverage. It's an extra 2 hours/day but well worth the 4 days off. Add 30hrs of time and get 9 days off, plenty of days for unannounced trip. Make it work for you, not THEM! Be safe.
5/21/2015 01:50:00 PM
Can you post a copy of the schedule??
Divide and conquer. Divide current and retired, detectives, Sgt's, Lt's. Rahms plan is coming together
Anonymous said...
This blog almost endorsed Dean
Not really Sherlock. This blog endorsed "anyone but the current failed administration," and we pointed out the best available candidate didn't even make the runoff.
Unlike you, we remember the Nolan years and Dean on the Board. What we didn't foresee was the almost "Obama-esque" level of secrecy, the behind the scenes negotiations and the failure of the Board of Directors to keep Dean in check.
DECERTIFY
And by tied to the radio, you mean sitting on a job for over an hour, while your eating your lunch, shopping, or sleeping on the corner of 63rd! Give me a break!
Diamond Dean has to go. What a joke this guy is
We should get rid of FOP and consider bringing in SEIU.
"more unsuccessful prosecutions."
Oh the Horror. That's all I'm concerned about whether or not that joke States Attys Office get convictions. You really got to get over yourself Jagoff, it's pathetic.
"What we didn't foresee was the almost "Obama-esque" level of secrecy,"
Obama reference cha ching!!
"The detective Division association has hired a law firm to explore the Dick's option on breaking away from the FOP. The city would love it because it would weaken the Fop numbers and the dicks could do there own negotiating at contract time. They would piggy back the fop7 contract wins like the sgt, Lts unions. The det's in the area seem very interested in breaking away from FOP too."
Imbeciles The FOP is the Dicks assn. Why do you think they pushed so hard for D2A pay. The sad part you got 7,000 Patrol Officers who can't get their shit together and work for, not against their own best interests
I have to defend Lt. PC because a few people are bad mouthing him on here and they're wrong. He has always been good to us. He always tries to help all of us however and whenever he can. He means well but just like us, I'm sure he's working under tough conditions with the new regime. Unlike some white shirts, he never intentionally tries to hurt us. Appreciate what you have because we all see how bad it can be.
I thought I would never say this but we need to de-certify are union it is so screwed up it's sickening.
Dean, Dean the lip service machine.
Dougherty threatened to sue the FOP if they didn't give him his retro pay at his Captains rate.
This was after Dean gave his crew retro pay without giving it to the old crew. Lets see the dates on the retro checks to see who is being truthful. Deano has lied more to the members in 1 year then any prior representatives.
Is Dean even 5 foot tall? I want to my first meeting this week and he could barely see over the podium.
Rumor has it that when the Shields law suit is settled with the state fop they are all going to be sued by the insurance carrier that covers the state lodge’s malpractice insurance for the costs of willfully violating the state by-laws.
Harold, Pat? You goofs have been around way to long. Sued for violating State by-laws? That would be charges against members if they did that, not lawsuits.
If members want to really change things in the future these are the people that have been on the board for more than 12 years and have done nothing but collect a check:
Bill Burns
John Capparelli
Pat Duckhorn
Ron Shogren
Dan Trevino
Not one of these guys brings anything to the table. Never has, never will.
Frank Bill and Rich you should be embarrassed to take retro at captains pay you are an embarrassment. Sickening go away Bill.
Does dean or fop have any authority to negotiate any pension changes?
5/21/2015 06:19:00 PM
I would argue that Rahm and the city do not have the authority to negotiate pension changes which makes it even more troubling that Dean would be negotiating pension reform with the devil.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We should get rid of FOP and consider bringing in SEIU.
5/22/2015 01:20:00 PM
Please tell me you're kidding.
To the unpublished (probably Billy Butthurt D),
Once again, you're confusing comments with posts.
Try again.
I want the fire department schedule ! 24 on and 48 off.
Where do we find the minutes?
5/21/2015 10:32:00 PM
On a watch.
All this talk about decertifying the FOP. Hell you guys cant even fill out a ballot.
Is Dean even 5 foot tall?
Yes but only when wearing his Pee Wee Herman shoes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We should get rid of FOP and consider bringing in SEIU.
5/22/2015 01:20:00 PM
Please tell me you're kidding.
5/23/2015 12:40:00 AM
Sadly, that poster is probably dead fucking serious. So many people have th their heads buried up there ass. They have no idea who the SEIU and CTU support. If you're a cop and you see a candidate with either of those unions backing, it is bad for you.
? For the record the cops have been have been wanting the 10 hour day for the last 15 or so years. There have been units on the 10 hour day .Everyone wanted the 10 hour day. You could duck out early sarge would cover for you. Just like in the units? Right. Well the city heard your requests and now you got your 10 hour day. Enjoy!
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