Police Shooting Update
We heard the scanner traffic played at roll call earlier. That dispatcher sucked. We understand being flustered by the chaos of a police shooting and the screaming going on, but to get an address wrong four times? Someone needs to go to a slower zone and learn the job before being thrown into the fire.
The scanner had a time clock attached to it - almost nine minutes to get an ambulance there.Not a calm nine minutes of waiting.
A pet peeve of ours, and evidently, many of our readers. The coppers wounds were described as "not life threatening" or "officers are expected to recover" or even "minor" in some media outlets. Points of order:
The scanner had a time clock attached to it - almost nine minutes to get an ambulance there.Not a calm nine minutes of waiting.
A pet peeve of ours, and evidently, many of our readers. The coppers wounds were described as "not life threatening" or "officers are expected to recover" or even "minor" in some media outlets. Points of order:
- One officer was struck in the vest, twice. Blunt trauma like that can result in an interruption of the heart rhythm. People have died from being punched in the chest or tackled or struck with a baseball. It's life threatening. Period.
- One officer was struck in the leg. It might not kill you, but damage like that can leave you with a permanent limp, multiple surgeries, months of physical therapy. It might not be "life threatening," but it is certainly "life altering."
- One officer was struck below the vest. The bullet actually traveled through his body and had to be extricated via an extensive surgical procedure. The concern now is a resultant infection due to the nature of the wound. That is definitely "life threatening" and the acting Superintendent's statement to the contrary is a disservice to the pain and suffering the officer, his family and co-workers are currently undergoing.
Describing these wounds are anything but "life threatening" also will come into play in any future lawsuit as a plaintiff attorney will undoubtedly claim that the lack of a "life-threatening injury" means the police must have overreacted.
Labels: officer injured, shooting
posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
94 Comments:
I work in 4, her voice sounds very familiar to a zone 8 midnight dispatcher. She's not new. She's been here for a while. For an experienced dispatcher to get that wrong multiple times there should be a review and some type of disciplinary action.
There were individuals making excuses for her . She was an idiot pure and simple . The copper stated where he was he had shots fired at and by the police and that he had an officer shot and needed ems . He did a great job despite all the noise and battered senses from being shot at and discharging his own weapon . She then proceeds to step all over the supervisor trying to clear cars off the streets . If those coppers would have lost their lives she'd be solely to blame then maybe people who deserve it would get some of that good city lawsuit money . Recover fast and thank you .
SCC, you are absolutely right about all GSW being serious. One does not know just what the damage is until they are looked at in a medical facility.
While it is true many bullets are not removed because the removal surgery would do more damage than the bullet is doing, that is not always initially apparent.
And a GSW to the leg can be VERY serious. Hit the femoral artery (a direct large vessel to the heart, and you can pump out in about a minute.
As for the dispatcher wanting an exact address, not taking "3700 block" as acceptable: Don't be too hard on her. It may be the way the CAD terminal program is written. Must have exact addresses to feed the geocoding program.
Buses are out people... Don't be the guy who gets tossed under it. Avoid the bullshit if you can, because it's neck high
Nine minutes for an ambulance to arrive for PO'S shot? Some of you goof's are part of the problem. You don't need to summon CFD for a bust-out "rape" victim who says she was "tampered" with two days earlier. Take her yourself in the squad to a hospital. The downer? Tell asshole to get up and drive away. Cut finger or high blood pressure? I'll drive them myself before I call for an ambulance and I am the sergeant. Grow a dick and you might save another policeman's life or that of your family members.
Maybe a bad dispatcher but CPD has the worst radio discipline I've ever heard.
It's a curious thing...
Rahm makes no secret of his animus toward The Police.
We wonder why he and other members of elected officialdom
make such a great big splashy production out of coming to
the hospital and pretending to have care and concern for
people they claim to have no use for and have taken great
pains to demean, defame and slander?
It's not like the general public is exactly bubbling over
with a surplus of care and concern either.
"Hiya Office!
how ya feelin'?"
"I've been SHOT you ASSHOLE!
How the fuck do you expect me to FEEL?"
"Uhhh... Anything I can do for ya?"
"Yeah! I wanna see you layin' in the next
bunk over with the EXACT same injury I HAVE!"
>Gathers his petticoat and flees...<
Just saying...
Why does someone bereft of human decency
in the first place, feel so compelled to
put on such a show?
Sociopathy?
Shitassery?
Good Optics/Politics?
Artfully crafted spin and propaganda?
Managing his political brand for future considerations?
Hated very much that these guys were hurt.
Thank GOD they survived.
A restful and full recovery to them all.
Sounds like this UIC Chief is in way over his head. Those videos are the most disgraceful footage of a citizenry out of control. This is what you will see much more of, a helpless and handcuffed Police Department that is intimidated by the Black Racist elected officials that are about to enter office and the current Politicians and our shameful Brass that fears these criminal supporting and hopelessly naive children who support then. All you collective assholes are in for a world of hurt. You are clueless as to what you are bringing about. You have that asshole Prepwincle preaching her," too many people of color in cook county jail" diatribe who probably is too stupid to know that 95% of that crime is committed "by people of color" on "people of color"
It actually disgusts me whenever I hear an officer get shot and the news media says it was non life threatening. Bullshit, you get shot anywhere its life threatening. If you get shot in the vest, thats extreme blunt trauma. A piece of shit offender gets slapped he is traumatized the rest of his life, if he gets punched he is about to die. If the police shoot him its racist, overkill, and the end of the world. There officers were shot and it was very very bad. Thank you news fucking media.
OT Chicago defense attorneys can always be counted on for their philanthropy to others. Attorney Arthur Loevy gave Kimberly Foxx $20,000.00. Source Illinois Board of Elections.
Total bullshit , getting shot is not a fucking "minor" thing period.
SCC is right. Not to mention that people can and have bled to death from a leg wound.
The acting deEscalator isn't a physician and shouldn't be making pronouncements other than the fact three officers were shot by a felon. Why doesn't HIPAA come into play on these incidents?
To me, Joe citizen non-life threatening is a good thing to hear. It means to me
That 3 cops will see their families again, and their families will see them too, and not in a box. To me it means that I won't have to put the blue light out on my porch light again, or wonder if I have enough money this month to spread between three fallen officers funds. And you can wack me with your club if you think I deserve it.....but It may mean that for the officers involved, they never have to put the uniform on again. They can stay home with the kids, collect the disability owed to them and be a full time parent. I'm no inciuating that they weren't before, but there may be some wives and kids that will sleep easier knowing their dads no longer put on a star or uniform and have to go out and protect people (and folks) who don't want to be protected, and risk their lives for and mostly ungrateful, undeserving city and government.
Thank you gentlemen for trying and sacrificing what you did. Get well and take your time doing it. Hug the kids, hold the wife. And take a deep breath. Some of us citizens have your back.
Signed,
Grandson of a LODD
Six had to mitigate the wounds, wouldn't want to upset the locals.
They are not very good at looking at the worst case scenario.
ANY shots making contact with an Officer should be characterized in the media as life altering and potentially life threatening. After all, they're not gonna be going home in the same condition as they left in the morning.
How about having dispatchers learn proper English. To have an actual radio voice. Far too many mush mouths.
"hit in the leg" Upper leg? -> femoral artery bleed out quickly lower leg? -> shattered bones and arteries
"below the vest" you mean, like, the bladder? excrutiatingly painful, recovery time long, wear a bag afterwards
So how many shots were fired by the police? The media will say the bad guy was executed by a heavy barrage of gunfire.
Sorry, I have to speak to the ambulance part. Ambulances, like the police, are only good to the person needing it if they get there, safely. I really hope that such a request wasn't dispatched improperly or that the ambulance crews didn't take their time getting there (really doubt it). I get a kick about the same screamers demanding that the ambulances step on it. They don't have wings. They're getting there as fast as they can. Just look at all the wrecked squad cars and ambulances as a result of the alternative. I know 9 minutes seems like an eternity at such a scene. Maybe the fire guys reading can weigh in?
Anyone who thinks a gunshot wound is not life-threatening is stupid.
In the Superintendent's case,he's towing the company line- Don't ever garner ANY sympathy for the Police.
The Police can't possibly be victims-the Police are the enemy.
The Superintendent is a POS for taking this position.
FYI. Escalante was at the hospital that night,but never returned,if they told him that they were giving out "merit" promotions at the hospital the next day the place would of been packed with visitors..
That dispatcher is an officer safety issue. File a grievance. Get the FOP up and moving.
Thank God Lupe took over. He and Lyna are two of the best dispatchers the city has. I've worked every zone south of 017 and very few handle their board and the stress of a busy zone like them. Zone 6 has some really good ones but Lupe & Lyna have to be the best duo!
De-escalante isn't even one of the three finalist for the Supt spot, gotta love it. Now take your force mitigation bs and get lost you freaking sell out.
The general public don't give a shit about us, same with the news assholes!
Getting shot is most definitely life altering
The idiots in the press do that all the time.
I had a friend that got into a horrific accident with some doped-up mutt cruising the wrong way on the Skyway early one morning (friend going to work; mutt going home to crash after an all-night par-TAY, in a 'borrowed' car); the news had him 'treated at XYZ Hospital and released.'
Yeah, released to be transported to another hospital for 6 weeks in traction for his crushed lower leg and hip, plus a year's worth of surgery and rehab.
But, 'treated and released.'
I totally agree with the effects of blunt trauma and non-life threatening injuries statement. A hole is a hole. It wasn't there before. They weren't born with them and for the acting superintendent to pay lip service like that is b.s. I would be appalled as an employee, spouse or family member of these individuals shot.
As for the dispatchers. There are good ones and bad ones. The usual ebonic rhetoric, comments like "my bad" and fucking up addresses, codes etc. are the normalcy. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
JUST A CITIZEN SAYS:
When is enough for this city? I hope ALL OF YOU CHICAGO POLICE OFFICERS quit and move and get a job in a much safer, officer-friendly environment. NOTHING is worth the bullshit you have to put with every day. NOTHING!
SCC,
I really find your perspective to be fascinating. I've been reading a bunch of your posts while I wait for tenants to lease office space in River North. As I civilian I've never really thought about things from the cops point of view.
I heard from someone there our guys were in a lot of pain after they were shot.
To be perfectly honest I wish they hadnt even been on that street trying to make that pinch. I put the lives of our guys far above a chickenshit ghetto drug pinch. Who gives a fuck if they poison or kill each other?
You know who else was struck below his best and ended up not making it? Michael ceriale. Get well officers.
I suspect the idea of whether the injuries were "life threatening" or not came from medical personnel giving their best judgement as to the seriousness of the injuries.
I doubt it is some wild conspiracy to downplay how serious the injuries were. Just an honest assessment of whether the person injured is likely to survive or not.
The capital of the war on cops is Chicago. You cops are going to be criticized, set up, and prosecuted at every turn, and it is because Chicago is Obama's political hometown. You can't win. I feel so sorry for you. You are some of the greatest people I have known. (Grew up and raised my kids in Beverly.)
When I was listening to that audio clip from that article I couldn't believe what I was hearing from that dispatcher. I was so livid that I was SCREAMING at my computer monitor; '3715 W Polk. 3715 you idiot, 3715...' !!
Hell even when she initially got it wrong, with that 3751 address, she followed that with 3751 SOUTH Polk. Un-fucking-believable (smh).
Anonymous AP said...
SCC,
I really find your perspective to be fascinating. I've been reading a bunch of your posts while I wait for tenants to lease office space in River North. As I civilian I've never really thought about things from the cops point of view.
3/17/2016 10:11:00 AM
I agree! There is a lot of what some might call racism,but I look at it the same as people being called red necks. Not all are like that, but in certain areas, yeah, it is what it is.
Grow a dick and you might save another policeman's life or that of your family members
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Wait until someone croaks in your squad car because a huge dick will be in your ass.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To me, Joe citizen non-life threatening is a good thing to hear. It means to me
That 3 cops will see their families again, and their families will see them too, and not in a box. To me it means that I won't have to put the blue light out on my porch light again, or wonder if I have enough money this month to spread between three fallen officers funds. And you can wack me with your club if you think I deserve it.....but It may mean that for the officers involved, they never have to put the uniform on again. They can stay home with the kids, collect the disability owed to them and be a full time parent. I'm no inciuating that they weren't before, but there may be some wives and kids that will sleep easier knowing their dads no longer put on a star or uniform and have to go out and protect people (and folks) who don't want to be protected, and risk their lives for and mostly ungrateful, undeserving city and government.
Thank you gentlemen for trying and sacrificing what you did. Get well and take your time doing it. Hug the kids, hold the wife. And take a deep breath. Some of us citizens have your back.
Signed,
Grandson of a LODD
3/17/2016 05:56:00 AM
Sorry, sincerely, for your loss.
I'm glad you can look at the 'best case' scenario, but that non-life-threatening injury could be a brain injury, blindness, a useless arm/leg/lung. Non life-threatening could me confined to a hospital bed forever.
There's no idyllic 'playing with the kids and enjoying life' in many of these scenarios.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sorry, I have to speak to the ambulance part. Ambulances, like the police, are only good to the person needing it if they get there, safely. I really hope that such a request wasn't dispatched improperly or that the ambulance crews didn't take their time getting there (really doubt it). I get a kick about the same screamers demanding that the ambulances step on it. They don't have wings. They're getting there as fast as they can. Just look at all the wrecked squad cars and ambulances as a result of the alternative. I know 9 minutes seems like an eternity at such a scene. Maybe the fire guys reading can weigh in?
3/17/2016 06:54:00 AM
No one is faulting the AMBULANCE. They're faulting the delay in getting an accurate ADDRESS so the ambulance could be dispatched. Nobody thinks the crew stopped for coffee or took the long way around.
How about upper body injury or lower body injury like the NHL uses? No exact injury or severity ever included in the statements. No need to discuss the extent of injury of a GSW as no one will know for sure until the future. Glad the officers survived the trauma.
"The concern now is a resultant infection due to the nature of the wound."
...and some of the high-powered antibiotics like Cipro (ciprofloxacin) can be the worst s__t in the world if you can't tolerate them -- like I couldn't. Stuff was as bad/worse than the infection. Had me crawling on hands and knees down the hall to the bathroom, never felt worse, other awful side effects. Had to stop it.
The most common thing it does is to unglue your Achilles and other tendons from the bone. This can pop without warning six months or more after you stop taking the stuff.
Great, huh?
Anytime an officer is shot it should be considered life threatening. These assholes are not shooting at officers to just inflict a little damage. Think what could have happened if dude had spent some time at the range not just shooting on the street.
I agree with the poster who said these guys should not be trying to make an arrest. Let these fuckers kill each other and allow street justice to assist in fixing these self cleaning shitholes they call home.
Richard, not an L.E.O
The reason the ambulance took 9 minutes to get there is because every mutt on the south and west sides uses them as a free taxi cab. They don't want to call and make a doctor's appointment, they want to go when they want to go, and they want something to come get them. All the ambulances are busy taking people to the ER for tummy aches, and until their culture changes, the ambulances will be busy when a real emergency happens.
This is why it's important if not mandatory that all officers take LEMART training! Nine minutes is a lomg time but with training it can be the difference between life and death. Do your self and,your partner a favor and get certified and carry the equipment.
Prayers to my fellow officers. Get well soon.
I have told my family to withold all medical information from the media and tell the department to do the same. I also have told the family not to talk to any media. I also have instructed the family to not talk to any boss' or politicialns alone and if possible video/audio record any such meetings.
It may be possible that it took 9 minutes for an ambulance to arrive, but unlikely. Listening to the audio it's more likely the third ambulance was arriving at the end of the audio. If the fire dispatch received the correct info I can assure you an ALS engine or truck was on the scene within 3-4 minutes. These guys can do everything an ambulance can do except transport. I guarantee if the fire company was told a PO was shot their response would have been as fast as humanly possible.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You know who else was struck below his best and ended up not making it? Michael ceriale. Get well officers.
3/17/2016 10:18:00 AM
I was involved in a police shooting, angry woman with a bloody pair of large scissors took a .38 lead hollow point on the right side of her abdomen. Not life threatening. Not until three days later when she succumbed after three days of a not very pleasant slow death. She said the magic words when ordered to drop the scissors: "Fuck you mother fucker, you 'gwine to have to shoot me."
Fair enough. One in the liver was enough.
Some points to consider. Everyone responding wants to pull up to the scene and park as close as possible in the emergency lane which was established. Walk up to the scene after parking away from the emergency lane. Turn off those blaring sirens which were so loud making two way radio communications difficult at the scene. Those blinding flashing strobe lights really affect your vision. If there had been another active shooter, a temporary blinding flash disorientating responding officers works to the advantage of the adversary. Turn off the unnecessary flashing strobes and turn off the siren which just aids as a stress enhancer.
The hospital is minutes away by patrol car and fire was eight or nine minutes away. Put the officer(s) in the back of a car, bandage the wound on the way to the hospital and deliver the officer to the trauma teams who have the medical expertise to save Our Brothers/Sister in Blue.
On a communications level, we all heard the tapes and it speaks for itself. On so many calls for help, we hear officers provide the narrative of the last job with a code then the narrative where they are coming from. Officers just respond and listen for the officers calling for help or the first unit who makes contact with the officer in distress. The unnecessary radio traffic blocks out the officers who may be trying to relay further information or a request for medical assistance. Flashing lights and wailing sirens draw a crowd which adds a further dimension to deal with. Just some things to consider.
And those illuminated green light devices serve as a defense attorneys or plaintiff’s civil trial attorney’s proverbial rope to hang you with. Our friends in the media will use by whatever means necessary through an FOI request to cast us in a bad light to further their biased, bigoted hate filled anti local (not federal) law enforcement narrative. Those green light devices provide further opportunities for the agenda-driven justice department bureaucrats in their ruthless quest to dictate their inevitable goal of a federal consent decree. Tensions are high so be mindful of your actions at all times.
Any word on the officer's recovery?
The great thing was someone that respects police was watching over them, yes this thug attempted to murder officers at least a brave hero struck him down to the dirt nap where him and others like him belong! The ghetto mentality has worsened, respect for police is long gone. Look at Trump rally where were the bosses? Why no protective gear? No helmets? No long batons? No riot shields? extra wagons? Massive arrests? No large mace canisters? Simple answer the city would rather portray Chicago as a place that disrespects taxpaying people exercising their free speech, but Chicago wants the ghetto thugs and the idiots that follow them to be heard!
May these hero officers take as much time off as they need to be well, may the Lord make them well quickly but take their time no hurry to return to chiraq! The blood is all over the elected hands and they just rinse and repeat their anti-police rhetoric!
I really find your perspective to be fascinating. I've been reading a bunch of your posts while I wait for tenants to lease office space in River North. As I civilian I've never really thought about things from the cops point of view.
3/17/2016 10:11:00 AM
You have uncovered part of the problem. Few ever look at things at the cops point of view and it seems few really care. When you take the job you think about a lot of things and seem to be ready to take it all on. But, the job always throws things at you that you never signed on for.
Will they ever go back to the requirement that dispatchers are required to have a clear speaking voice and know what they're doing??
Or did Cortez Trotter hiring all his churchgoers torpedo that?
It's easy to classify life threatening and non life threatening when you're not the one with the bullet holes in you.
There were individuals making excuses for her . She was an idiot pure and simple . The copper stated where he was he had shots fired at and by the police and that he had an officer shot and needed ems . He did a great job despite all the noise and battered senses from being shot at and discharging his own weapon . She then proceeds to step all over the supervisor trying to clear cars off the streets . If those coppers would have lost their lives she'd be solely to blame then maybe people who deserve it would get some of that good city lawsuit money . Recover fast and thank you .
3/17/2016 12:47:00 AM
Solely to blame? How about we save at least some of that blame for the piece of shit who shot the officers?
Nine minutes for an ambulance to arrive for PO'S shot? Some of you goof's are part of the problem. You don't need to summon CFD for a bust-out "rape" victim who says she was "tampered" with two days earlier. Take her yourself in the squad to a hospital. The downer? Tell asshole to get up and drive away. Cut finger or high blood pressure? I'll drive them myself before I call for an ambulance and I am the sergeant. Grow a dick and you might save another policeman's life or that of your family members.
3/17/2016 01:11:00 AM
You don't sound like a particularly intelligent sergeant. We aren't ambulances. We aren't supposed to transport people in need of medical attention to the hospital. Ambulances have trained medical personnel on board. If something happens while your dumb ass is transporting a patient to a hospital, enjoy your lawsuit and your new job. If the rape victim decides to name you as another offender because she decides you did something to her while you were transporting her to the hospital yourself, enjoy your lawsuit, your new job, and maybe even your prison cell. Tell the downer to get up and walk away and he wanders into traffic and dies? That's on you, sergeant. That high blood pressure turns into a dead body because you didn't want to call an ambulance? That's on you, sergeant. Sounds like you're one of the goofs(no apostrophe) who will end up getting your officers jammed up with your illegal orders and idiotic suggestions. Do your job, let the paramedics do theirs, and try not to let your stupidity bleed over to your troops. It has nothing to do with growing a dick. Maybe you should think less about that and more about growing a brain. There are a shitload of people being transported to hospitals via ambulance for a whole lot of things that are absolutely not emergencies, but the vast majority of those aren't requested by CPD, so your idiotic plan isn't going to even make a dent in increasing response times. 9 minutes is an eternity when you're shot and bleeding, but maybe that's how long it took for the ambulance from the closest firehouse to respond, even without any other factors. Ambulances don't drive very fast, and people don't move out of the way for them like they should. Thankfully, officers shot and in need of an ambulance are pretty rare, so I think we can keep calling for an ambulance when one is requested. Serve and protect, sarge... even when you're only protecting the drunk moron from himself. You also might want to think about protecting yourself, maybe by not playing ambulance driver.
Yours truly,
A sergeant with a brain
I never thought about it before but I always thought that the "not life threatening" comment would be made at the hospital, or at the least by a doctor on the scene. The obvious point of bringing it up early is to kill the news story because it eliminates the drama. No future reporting necessary.
By far the worst dispatcher in the city is the old grouch on zone1. She is so rude and antagonistic toward police officers it's as though she hates them. Very dangerous environment for the police on that zone. All she needs to do is dispatch the jobs but she is so consumed by venom that the police feel unsafe with her around. Sad part is the supervisors don't do a damm thing about it and let her talk that way. Commander remains silent too. They sure don't have any one's back. Sad
CFD here
I doubt those ambulances were dogging it. We have some asshats on our side too. But I think the medics in that area appreciate CPD and we all know you back us up when we need it.
I hope those officers recover fully and quickly.
My thoughts and prayers with the injured officers for a full and speedy recovery. And my thoughts and prayers for the safety of every Chicago police officer.
This is a total shame. My heart goes out to the officers involved and wish them the best of a speedy recovery. But, how in the world do you get involved in a situation like this? Why are you doing any type of police work completely blows my mind. It's questionable if we will even have a pension, yet we still have guys chasing around these animals! Wait til the new SA gets this case, you'll wishing to live in Baltimore.
God bless the police! and shit on the bad guy, he got what he deserved!
This dispatcher is incompetent at best. I wouldn't want her to order R -Service for me...
God Bless these Officers. No one has mentioned their PTS. God Bless you and please don't think you're strong enough to beat this. It will bother you a lot later in life. Prayers for all three of you. Call all of your friends, who can help. I still have friends that call me all the time. I call and help them too. Things happened when I was 15. I am now retired, did 25. I will never get over police officers deaths. Lost many friends. Call all your right (understanding) friends for help! Get well soon! God Bless you all.
Retired
Then start sticking together for once. What will it take to convince you that we are alone. They don't give a flyin F&&K about us.
De-escalante isn't even one of the three finalist for the Supt spot, gotta love it. Now take your force mitigation bs and get lost you freaking sell out.
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On the money 100 percent. How fast John-Boy Mr. Six drank the cool aid for a job he had no business doing. How fast one can change and be a fool for the love of power. He started with the radio b.s. and saying he would hang out to dry the copper when a hacker said the shit. The minor injuries of the 3 P.O.' topped it all. Non life threating bull shit when all GSW can kill a person. Poor guys suffered so much that night. Mr. Six lost the respect of CPD by his comments and will all his years left otj.
Being a Field Lt in call back will fit his knowledge of CPD well.
3/17/2016 10:25:00 PM
I don't think SCC was complaining that the ambulance was dogging it...we know that it takes what seems like forever (esp in a situation like this) because there aren't enough ambulances in the city. And those that we do have are stretched mighty thin.
My major pet peeve is the bullshit calling any gunshot "minor". I still recall Jerry Wright,sitting up and talking after he was shot. HE DIED during surgery!!! If this judge did notr let this offender out, we would not have 3 seriously injured officers!!
Granted the beyond useless dispatcher "sucked", however, exact address or not, all responding "HELP" should have found the scene!!! Before, moron dispatcher even opened her useless mouth, the shot/injured officers should have been enroute to county via squad car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes solely to blame . Guess what dunce cap ?. Pretty hard to blame someone or seek monetary compensation when they're dead . Therefore if those officers had died and the offender also was dead who would be responsible oh wise one ?. Maybe the idiot dispatcher who transposed the numbers 4 fucking times ?.
best wishes to the Officer's involved, hoping for speedy recoveries without complications. BLUE LIVES MATTER!!
Everyone listen. Practice this script repeatedly so that the correct info gets out and the , hopefully, qualified dispatcher gets all that's needed the first time:
"(Beat#) 10-1, 10-1, 1414 W. Fullerton. Shots fired at/by police."
Give your beat, the 10-1, then the location, then the safety threat, whatever it is. That's all that's needed right off. If the dispatcher doesn't hear you right off, it's on the recorder for instantaneous playback. Please remember this advise: Beat #, 10-1, address, why you need help. The life you save may be your own.
"""Nine minutes for an ambulance to arrive for PO'S shot? Some of you goof's are part of the problem. You don't need to summon CFD for a bust-out "rape" victim who says she was "tampered" with two days earlier. Take her yourself in the squad to a hospital. The downer? Tell asshole to get up and drive away. Cut finger or high blood pressure? I'll drive them myself before I call for an ambulance and I am the sergeant. Grow a dick and you might save another policeman's life or that of your family members."""
How in hell are you going to know before hand a copper is going to be shot you moron?
And somehow I get a feeling you wont refuse to take the CR# cause some rock 'ho feels like she was dissed being driven the the ER in the back of a cage. Christ! Try and pretend you arent a management knuckle head.
3/17/2016 11:14:00 AM The capital of the war on cops is Chicago
I think you nailed it.
My prayers go out to you. I feel very bad for young officers as well as for the old dinosaurs.
They don't want Police officers or teachers. They want Andy Frain ushers (who remebers them) and mommy's.
Prayers May God keep you safe.
Hey SCC! That's the same dispatcher that gave the wrong address MULTIPLE times in ANOTHER police shooting in Sept of2014 in the 012th district
"This is why it's important if not mandatory that all officers take LEMART training! Nine minutes is a lomg time but with training it can be the difference between life and death. Do your self and,your partner a favor and get certified and carry the equipment."
3/17/2016 02:21:00 PM
Yeah, check out the new "bloodstopper" bandages, outgrowth of battlefield medicine. Supposed to be very effective, could make the difference.
...and in the most dire emergency where it is hospital NOW or death, would not the "Good Samaritan" laws tend to protect the ofc. who transported someone in the car as a last resort?
Virtually anyone reading that understands that police officers struck by bullets meant the situation was life-threatening as it unfolded. However, the wounds simply were not life-threatening when the story was written. The writer is letting the public know that the POs going to the hospital were not going to die. That's factual, important, something I as a reader want to know. Sometimes the complaints about the media here are just silly.
Hint -- I never say just, "Thirtysevenfiftyonewestpolk." Garbles too easy. Always slow and clear as I can, "Three seven five one West Polk" first.
If all someone has is a block or a corner, put it out and get 'em rolling. You will see the problem when you get there, and can then call in an exact address to make the machine happy. At least that's how it used to work.
"It may be the way the CAD terminal program is written. Must have exact addresses to feed the geocoding program."
3/17/2016 12:51:00 AM
So get in there and tweak it. Should be written to accept "3700 BK W Polk." Exact address to come in a minute.
I know we've seen a few fatalities from a "shot to the leg", a femoral artery struck and you'll pump out in a min or two...... maybe someone on scene with the equipment and or training could get that controlled, but the time lapse your talking??? Doubtful
You boys may want to invest in IFAK/BOK (Individual First Aid Kit/Blow-Out Kit). The IFAK should include—minimally—an appropriately sized nasopharyngeal airway device (FR28 is the normal size for the typical adult), chest seals, battlefield dressing, compressed gauze, and an appropriate combat tourniquet. Stay safe.
Virtually anyone reading that understands that police officers struck by bullets meant the situation was life-threatening as it unfolded. However, the wounds simply were not life-threatening when the story was written. The writer is letting the public know that the POs going to the hospital were not going to die. That's factual, important, something I as a reader want to know. Sometimes the complaints about the media here are just silly.
3/18/2016 11:08:00 AM
You've never been shot, so what the fuck do you know?
"Sometimes the complaints about the media here are just silly."
3/18/2016 11:08:00 AM
Not to the guy laying on the cold cement for nine whole minutes, it aint f__ing "silly" -- shot under the vest, with a whole bunch of normally-cooperative organ groups pumping blood all over the ground.
Call back when you have something to say based on street experience with three guys hurt bad and bleeding all over who could die right there any minute, rather than upon this thousand-miles-removed vague conjecture and idle speculation about some "media" or other.
Child.
Some ofc. have lingered in agony for days before terrible wounds like this finally killed them.
Were you there? No. Did you know anyone there? No. In that case, shut your stupid, ignorant mouth and show some respect -- and maybe even learn something.
Damn.
Yes solely to blame . Guess what dunce cap ?. Pretty hard to blame someone or seek monetary compensation when they're dead . Therefore if those officers had died and the offender also was dead who would be responsible oh wise one ?. Maybe the idiot dispatcher who transposed the numbers 4 fucking times ?.
3/18/2016 03:47:00 AM
I'll assume you're responding to me, so I'll again respond to you. Blame doesn't end with death. If the dispatcher did a perfect job, who would you blame when someone shoots an officer? I blame the shooter. Crazy idea, right? As for your monetary compensation tangent, there have been enough high profile cases of lawsuits against the estate of deceased persons that even you should be aware of them. I'm sure the mutt's family will file a wrongful death suit because the police shot and killed the piece of shit, so you can save your predictable argument about a dead guy not having money, especially with the way our fine city pays out to those who file frivolous suits. You should find a dictionary and look up the words "solely" and "blame," because you seem to lack the ability to comprehend either term. If the officers had died, some of the blame should absolutely fall on an incompetent dispatcher. The overwhelming majority of the blame would still fall on the person who caused the deadly injuries. Would you like to be blamed when people die because you got an address wrong or were too slow to respond? Would you like all of the blame despite doing nothing to directly cause the death? I'm not defending a useless dispatcher, just pointing out the idiocy of your "solely to blame" statement. Now have someone read this to you and explain it before you respond again.
Hint -- I never say just, "Thirtysevenfiftyonewestpolk." Garbles too easy. Always slow and clear as I can, "Three seven five one West Polk" first.
If all someone has is a block or a corner, put it out and get 'em rolling. You will see the problem when you get there, and can then call in an exact address to make the machine happy. At least that's how it used to work.
3/18/2016 11:14:00 AM
Hint -- Practice saying it when you're shot and actively engaged in a shootout. Idiot. Great advice for everyday random radio communications though, so thanks for that.
Hope the officers enjoy the full year minimum off,and get any support they feel they may need may god bless them! On another note went into a Walgreens on Broadway and Belmont homeless guy out in front walks in with an older lady sees me and I say to him "take it easy on her" "he says ok" the lady gave me a death stare as this guy was in the refrigerated cases grabbing many items saying he was "Hungry" the lady tells him "get whatever you want" as the death stare is directed at me felt like a laser. I walked out, but this is the same woman that this guy who has convictions, if i was not there bet he would of grabbed the cash hanging from her purse, if I would of said or done anything else bet she would of initiated some discipline for me!
I Know my fault for not being fetal,and minding my business but I still have the blue burning inside knowing what this guy was going to do, sorry back to fetal X2!
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Yeah, check out the new "bloodstopper" bandages, outgrowth of battlefield medicine. Supposed to be very effective, could make the difference.
...and in the most dire emergency where it is hospital NOW or death, would not the "Good Samaritan" laws tend to protect the ofc. who transported someone in the car as a last resort?
3/18/2016 11:03:00 AM
I always carried packages of bandages infused with Quik Clot to put on a wound, just in case. It produces rapid blood clotting. Basically battlefield dressing. Also a tourniquet with a metal turning thing and webbing. In dire emergencies, this stuff is to save my own life in a pinch, partner is secondary. Public can wait. Most coppers are too cheap to buy that stuff. Mail order from police and military supply places online. Plain gauze pads are good also but they do nothing to clot the blood. I took EMT training before I came on the job. That stuff is in a zip lock bag together in my police bag with ticket book etc. None of it has been used, ticket book included. Just in case...
Yeah the dispatcher fucked up. But she didnt shoot any cops so give her a break. Tomorrows another day. How many times have we seen coppers do and say fucked up things under stress? Dont beat up this girl to bad over this cause we all learn every day.
The Dept. offers LEMART training. Law Enforcement Emergency Medical and Rescue Training. In the 28 years on this job is the best training I have ever attended. Take IT!! Its a good class for those of you have not had combat experience/training. The 1st aid kit costs $100 from KEESLERS. The kit comes with everything that you need to save your own life, and stay in the fight. You use your kit on yourself, and you use your partners kit on him!!! You need to prep the kit, blood makes everything very slippery. You need to wear the kit on your person. Do not leave it in your car you may not be able to go and get it.
"Hint -- Practice saying it when you're shot and actively engaged in a shootout. Idiot."
-- 3/18/2016 05:59:00 PM
I stuck with the easy, slow "one-two-three-four-five Sixth Street" in the middle of a pulmonary embolism -- second leading cause of sudden death asides from a heart attack (feels just like one) even when I had to argue with some overexcited civilian gal on one of the new trunked/encrypted/consolidated suburban systems. Want them to find me NOW before I become a "funny smell" a month later...it pays if you can manage it. Ambo still couldn't find whatever goofy address she finally gave out, had to drag myself half a block waving at them. Bad enough as it is.
God bless. Stay safe.
So not while you were shot and actively engaged in a shootout? OK then. And how do you know you got the address right? Exactly. Idiot.
L.E.M.A.R.T.
Got it! Good, now go get it!
Best training the Dept. has to offer.
Hopefully it's part of academy training.
Best wishes to the officers involved and praying for a full recovery.
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