Piling it On
As the First Degree Murder case falls apart (lack of intent), Kim Foxxx fires her Grand Jury Shotgun at the wall, hoping that something will stick:
- The Chicago police officer who fatally shot Laquan McDonald in 2014 was indicted this month on 16 counts of aggravated battery — one for each bullet fired at the 17-year-old.
Officer Jason Van Dyke, 38, was indicted in 2015 on six counts of first-degree murder and one count of official misconduct. Those charges still stand.
But the new charges point to possible worries that prosecutors won't be able to convict Van Dyke on the more severe charges, according to Chicago-Kent College of Law professor and former public defender Richard Kling.
"There are myriad possibilities," Kling said. "Are they doing it because they realize there's a problem with the murder charge? Do they think aggravated battery is a more appropriate charge than first-degree murder? Knowing he's a police officer, do they think there's a good chance he won't get convicted?"
Kling, who has handled hundreds of murder cases in his career, said the 16 aggravated battery charges could mean prosecutors are worried the original murder indictment won't stick — or they could simply signify a new legal strategy.
This new "strategy" better cut both ways. Every pull of a trigger, every swing of a fist - it all better be charged as individual crimes against everyone when it happens. We've said it dozens of times here - cops aren't above the law, but they aren't below it either. This looks like Foxxx has no clue as to what she's doing, so she's taking direction from her political masters.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Next time you get an arrest, put multiple charges for each punch/kick/etc....watch the Lt.'s head explode.
Think twice about getting involved in proactive activity. Seems to me this is a dangerous precedent. Wasn't it a couple weeks ago where IPRA investigation of an old case said the first two shots were justified not the third. Does this mean they are going to indict every time deadly force is used and finds that shots one and two are authorized but not three,
Wow just when things to get quiet this circus music plays. This is not good because it doesn't go both ways
so the guy that allegedly got six in the junk yesterday finds his assailant charged with what?
How do you charge him with 16 counts of Agg Batt when every round he fired didn't strike? I believe he was only hit with 9 of the 15-16 that were fired...That would be 9 counts....
anything to add shit to the case...
Aggravated battery will be an easier charge to prove. That is the reason for going with it. First Degree Murder was overcharging and the prosecution would have to prove that the PO intended to kill McDonald prior to his arriving at the scene. Unless they have audio tape or his partner's statement to that effect, they will have a very hard time proving premeditation. Don't know why they didn't just charge him with 2nd Degree or Involuntary Homicide or even Manslaughter. Those charges would be easier to prove and make more sense. He's got a very good lawyer as I recall and his own lawyer might have wanted the higher charges because of the difficulty of proving them. Kim Fox is doing the smart thing if she is looking for a conviction. All she needs to do is prove one count of Agg Batt to put the PO in jail for 20 years or ore.
LET ME BE CLEAR; van dyke is a fucking idiot, he damaged this dept and all of us. What he did was stupid and yes, immoral! However, according to current state law, NOT ILLEGAL! Armed offender, refused to drop weapon, PERIOD! I predict he will be found not guilty, there will be riots. Then the will re-vise the state law, to fuck us.
Shades of Baltimore.
This case was tainted from the get go.
First off, the SA Anita Alvarez signed off on the Justifiable Homicide. But when the sh!t hit the fan, she threw JVD under the bus in an effort to save her career.
The six murder counts for killing one person with minor word changes was a political stunt to show the public how tough she was on police. And to make her case sound more impressive than it actually was. Or is.
Now the 16 AggBat counts are just more shoveling.
This is a case no one wants to get to trial.
Find a nice hole and sit boys and girls. Answer your calls and get paid on the 1st and 16th.
They just blinked.
So they do not know which shot killed McDonald. We all knew this.
But a judge will have to determine any of the 16 can be blamed.
If McDonald was still a threat after the first shot was fired the rest don't matter.
DANNY will only have to establish McDonald refused direct orders by officers to drop the knife.
Next they will indict the other officers on scene just like Baltimore. To see who
wants to aid the prosecution.
In mean time CPD trying to fire all of them........
CAN YOU SPELL WITCH HUNT
Wow... Is this the same ASA that was in charge of that one case where murder asshole got street justice down the street two weeks ago. Sounds like a case without a cause here people. But we al know the racist justice system favor a white man any day out of the week. I wonder, is cook county shitter court system a racist system even though it is headed by an African American?
Dean, you are again, on this matter, speechless.
Sounds a lot like the Baltimore DA who lost her case against all of the cops she tried to railroad. The cops have a huge lawsuit against her and the city still coming up.
Time to file an ARDC complaint against the original prosecutors for using the garrity protected statements in the grand jury indictment
Hey Kim, if a shoplifter takes six items is that six charges? Never mind, shoplifting is not a crime in crook county.
Foxx is basically Cynthia Brim as State's Attorney.
Unfucking beliveable. Try calling down to felony review and getting those charges approved on any other case. What a fucking precedent she is setting.
Never heard of any banger ever, get charged per the round fired when shooting another honor roll student. Wow.
New strategy you ever get caught up in something like this commit yourself to a mental institution and tell them all the messed up stuff you seen working as a Officer apply for disability save yourself from possible jail time.
I'm guessing the murder charges are in jeopardy so this will be the safety net for the state.
How can you charge someone with aggravated battery when the kid died? The charge would be murder/manslaughter not agg battery if you were gonna charge anybody. Every other agg battery case has had a surviving victim. Is she adding on charges because she knows the murder charges are bull shit and is trying to get him convicted of something when he beats the murder charge? Looks like they're doing everything they can to make sure Van Dyke goes to prison.
Don't think foxx did this I believe the Kane county prosecutor Joe McMahon did this, either way it appears to be a sign of a weak case, they hope something sticks
How come we've never seen them change a guy that shot a cop like that? Or a gang member who shoots another? What a double standard!!
This poor soul has to be at wits end. Good Lord, the mutts can do a real double 1st degree murder and walk after 10 years. 2 million dollar bond, the poor folks that posted it lost 10 % or 20 K the second it got posted.
No one even can imagine what poor JVD is going through. Including his family.
The 5 million the city paid in shut up $$ is already gone by the trash that threw the kid in the street, and they are probably back on the link.
Never thought that Van Dyke was going to walk away from this fiasco whenever the trial actually occurs unscathed. Now it appears more clearly to be the case.
So, are they charging the shooter from 26/cal with attempt murder and six counts of aggravated battery?
We have to stop electing stupid people,the unintended consequences are piling up.
This looks like Foxxx has no clue as to what she's doing, so she's taking direction from her political masters.
DUH!
Nothing to see here folks. Keep moving.
Last one out of Crook County turn the lights out.
DUDe had a knife in his hand the whole time!
Not only is this under the bus this is bringing the second bus and lining it uo.
What is next charging everyone on the paper with conspiracy to commit murder.
Foxx is a IDIOT plan and simple.
Kling is a sniveling,lying,incompetent,weasling PIECE OF SHIT.
Now every detective on a shooting or stabbing should demand the appropriate number of charges to match shots or stabs to their victims! But they won't! They will listen to their bosses not to make waves!
You hit it right with the latter,Foxx is not in control of this case PERIOD. Right or wrong the prosecution is going to more than likely blow this case
Kimeshia Fox is as dumb as a rock. Prickwrinkle and her share a brain.
It isn't Foxx. I'm no fan of hers. She's an idiot. There is a special prosecutor appointed.
If anyone needed proof that this is a Political Show Trial,as in Cuba or the old Soviet Union, this is the proof! This is the pattern, that we have seen in other High Pressure trials, where the Prosecutor sets an extremely high standard for charging. We saw this in the case against Casey Anthony in Florida, where without ever establishing a cause of death, the Prosecutor charged her with Murder. We saw it with Trayvon Martin, and we saw it with the cops in Baltimore. Prosecutors in an effort to appease the mob of Democrat Rioters will "Overcharge", then figure they can Plea Bargain down. Fortunately for the defendants in all of the aforementioned cases; unless your attorney is the Public Defender, you would be a fool to plea bargain Murder Charges, unless there is clear Intent or Premeditation. Remember, the standard is BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, in a criminal prosecution, and in all of the aforementioned cases, there was clearly enough doubt to allow the defendants to prevail. The last time I recall seeing this blow for blow type of indictment was in the Rodney King case, where after the cops won in state court, and the largest and most expensive riot in California history took place; the Feds went after the Officers and convicted them in Federal Court with a jury of "Urban" jurors, some of whom were angry and wanted Revenge. And if you recall those offices and their Sgt. did prison time. Make no mistake about it, whatever the verdict or circumstance; there will be Major Demonstrations, and if enough outside agitators come in to town there will be violence. And this is going to be bigger than Jamal Green's nonsense. One has to wonder, is this the result of the rejection of a Plea Deal? Issues of Dept. Policy will come into play; and the prosecution must believe that the Defendant can Justify the first shots, but not latter shots. Suddenly this case is far more complex than the public has been led to believe. And I sincerely hope, that somehow or someway, Alvarez and Rahm himself, are forced to testiy, as to how and why, if this man was so dangerous, he was allowed to roam free, until their Cover-Up of the video was exposed! Make no mistake about it, this trial will be the adhesive that seals Rahm's political fate. Shitcaga Values! Act and YOU will be prosecuted, just wave at the knife wielding teens, and let them go, they are just troubled "Youths"! Baby "G"
Let us pray for JVD and all the affected officers. Especially the ones who are in a time out without pay. We pray that you stay strong and may be made whole again soon. God bless you all.
Remember these 16 new counts when you are responding to these type of calls. Always drive safely and don't go thru those red lights, as you may get involved in a traffic crash. That alone can bring on discipline under the new cr matrix guide, and possible lawsuit. Best thing is to respond in a safe manner and the offender should be gone by the time you get there.
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It's not Fox. They got a special prosecutor from Kane County on the case: "But on Thursday, special prosecutor Joseph McMahon announced his office on March 16 got a new 23-count indictment against Van Dyke that will supersede the initial 2015 charges." And they have another special prosecutor on the guys who wrote the paper b
Looks like it is time to review all the cases in the past all the cases current of the thugs The felons all of them all should be charged with aggravated battery this is totally ridiculous what Kimmy is doing. This girl obviously has no business working in any part of law and order this is now front page news a story from the dishonest media. Again and again The city of Chicago the state of Illinois the county of clock shows a complete disregard for police officers never ever anywhere are police bastardized as much as in this corrupt county this corrupt city this corrupt state. The prosecutors fully know they totally fucked up on this case simply because there is no case there is no murder you would think that someone would've stopped this freight train from moving forward rapidly since the video was held in order for the mayor to be reelected! Police officers in the city of Chicago can clearly see the total lack of respect not just from the command staff not just from the elected not just from the diss honest media know this is a clear violation of any sense of respect for the law.
How many more punches how many more of this can the Chicago Police Department take? The hard-working blue shirts coppers are really being totally stressed on this once great job the citizens the honest text payers obviously have been silent these people must speak out then yesterday the front page of the Chicago Tribune have the story of people moving out of the city due to the violence and the wine and cheese club The elected just go on anon laughing smiling thinking everything is so hilarious and the minions that surround them laugh at their silly stupid jokes as the blood is flowing all over the carnage is excessive the crime is out of control and yet you blame the police officers what other city does this on a constant basis? Any city that is run by Republicans the red states are almost all 100% in support of their police officers the best thing for Chicago police officer to do is to continue to stay fetal. The bosses they will come they will grow they will demand activity they will demand production a great way to lose everything you have your freedom your good name your family your career is to have the go get them attitude that the boss will tell you you had better do this or do that. Those days are gone just follow this story and please do not say they will never do that to me you could be the next contestant on the wheel of how stupid was I to listen to the boss show.
Don't forget also the coppers from the eighth district that are suspended with no pay and the sergeant from the eighth district that is also suspended with no pay all the good he has done all the good that night was look over the report and approve it which is done plenty of times and every district in every area constantly. Now will other officers be Dragged into this next phase? We are in turbulent times may God Almighty please let's the police officers everywhere and especially the police officers in the city of Chicago amen.
He still will beat the case bet on it
It will never go both ways. However, America's liberal elite was showed what one wacko could do with a knife in London.
SCC does that mean WeeZee will be charged on each question she cheated in The Lt exam , if so they'll lock her up and throw away the key!!
Poor Rerun , going over to WeeZees crib after a long day of lying in front of tv cameras, sipping gin and juice while WeeZees kid is wacked out on weed in next room, making drug buys,dat ain't no life!!
When someone dies at the hands of another person, and the prosecution feels the killing was unlawful, the appropriate charge is one that involves causing the death of another person. Aggravated battery charges when someone dies is like charging criminal damage when someone breaks down a door to a home and rapes the resident. If they can't get agg batt to stick, what's next? Are they going to charge him with reckless discharge? You think he unlawfully killed someone, you charge murder, not a bunch of random lesser crimes that led up to the death. I may be wrong here, but I don't believe there has ever been a case where a single victim was shot, stabbed, struck, or otherwise battered, and the offender was charged with one count for each time the victim was struck. Charging 16 counts for one incident involving one "victim" is just asinine. It would be a different story if this was standard practice, but we all know it's not. This is a simple case of charging someone differently based solely on his status as a police officer. Have they somehow determined which shot killed him? To charge 16 counts for 16 shots, the last shot would have to be the kill shot. You can't commit an aggravated battery on a dead body. If he's alive and holding a knife when the last shot hits, he's still a deadly threat, and an armed assailant refusing to drop a deadly weapon. To say he was still alive until shot 16 hit him actually weakens the prosecution's case.
Just one more reason to do nothing more than answer your radio, respond to calls, take the report, remain fetal, and go home safe at the end of shift. Retirement can't come soon enough.
We have to stop electing stupid people,the unintended consequences are piling up.
3/24/2017 04:35:00 AM
What do you expect from an overwhelmingly liberal democrat population? These are the intended consequences of those voters. Is this your first visit to Chicago/Cook County?
Whoooooo Boy.....What a FRIGGIN IDIYOT Foxx is......
Prediction Bench trial, not guilty, judge retires. blm-9.5-kimmie-dart-perkwinkle-revs-blk caucus-and anyone else who hates the police- GFY
She is charging him again to lay a defense argument and a dismissal based on "malecious" prosecution.
It was not murder it was not aggravated battery. It was an armed assailant who refused lawful orders from a uniformed on duty officer. The force used was justified which is why the police at the time signed off on the use of force and which is also why at the time the state's attorney office did not pursue charges. What is traggic is that now the media gets involved and they think there was a cover up when really there was nothing to cover up from the beginning. All bs. He'll be found not guilty. The media will cause a city wide riot and it will all be the big bad policemans fault for doing their job. In the mean time arrests are at an all time low and murders are at an all time high. Good job media and politicians.
Dean. Shame on you, for using your photo, along with a hooded up JVD, leaving (fleeing) CCJ on your recent campaign mailer.
SHAME ON YOU!
Your 'judgement' is lacking. WTF were you thinking? That said, I'm no supporter of the other knucklehead either. I was personally insulted. Can't imagine how JVD felt, if he even knows you did that. You're a real DB.
The law should be equally applied then. For everyone. Otherwise it's malicious prosecution.
does anybody know when is this trial finally going to court??
did van dykes attorney request all personal and department telephone , e mail records from the mayor and every commander that had any review of Vandyke shooting
this should also include states attorney office and IPRA
The lady knows what she is doing and is good at it. Nuff said.
Can't wait until he is found not guilty on all charges. Rahm once again will look like a complete tool. Let's cry on TV saying this isn't right! I hope this guy sues the shit out of this city. Then rahm will learn the hard way
Obscene piling on by Kim Foxx n her minions.
All to push her anti police agenda and pander to "the community"
I'm a civil lawyer not a criminal lawyer but I'd say this strategy gets kicked on appeal as it is all part of the same "criminal transaction".
Thanks, Kimmy. You make us all look bad when you do stupid shit like this.
Call the next case. Not a cop.
Is there any plan in place if Officer Van Dyke is found not guilty?? This city has the potential to explode in violence that the U.S. hasn't seen since the MLK riots.
Get Alvarez on the stand under oath and ask her who was giving her marching orders. If she did sign off on Justifiable Homicide ask her changed her mind. She might actually testify with the truth.
Agree with others, charge them for each punch, kick, shot fired. When bosses/ SAs refuse, document in your report. Start sending copies to JVD's attorney to show the double standard, "discriminatory" standard being used just because he's a white police officer.
Keep busting your a@@es for a system that will hang you for trying to prevent crimes, remember folks this guy had a knife had he actually followed through with a stabbing and killing someone then the story might change. What happen to the reason why police are on the streets and that's, "TO PREVENT A CRIMES FROM OCCURRING". All the street stops, SEARCH WARRANTS, prevent crimes by being proactive all have an invitation for a BUS load of politocos to throw you under the bus not once, but twice!!!!
Instead of just admitting this was a bad shoot and charging this guy fairly and rightly, the black lives matter crowd appeasement went into overdrive trying to present the idea that this man went out to hunt him down a black man and murder him that night. None of us knows why he shot when he did - as he was the only one to shoot, much less why he shot him over and over and over and over and over. We do know it was WRONG (just as we know hiding the video for election purposes was wrong).
I like the way SCC framed this. Cops are not above the law but they are not below it too. In the exact same frame of mind in calling for charges to be levied the same way for punches thrown etc being charged for each instance, lets continue on and admit that the EXEMPTIONS for police officers are wrong as well.
To answer the questions though - lets see this for what it really is. Foxx and crew WANT this guy to get off, but not to protect him. They want him to go unpunished so that the BLM crowd can riot and loot to avenge the whole situation and draw attention to how lawless the CPD officers are and how racist Chicago policing is. Right? You know it! Remember, the folks out on the street are gonna blame the p0lice, not the prosecutors office or their elected bosses.
The fix is in. There is no doubt about it. Prepare for it folks, its coming. Indeed, it is being arranged as we speak. They gotta point everythign AWAY from them hiding the video...and if it takes a riotous debacle out in the streets to do it, then they will arrange it.
Make no mistake, if Van Dyke doesn't go to jail, riots will happen like we've never seen before. The politicians know it and are terrified of this possibility.
All of the charges pivot on one critical phrase: "without lawful justification". If the prosecution can not prove that legal point there is no case on any of the charges. No matter many bullsh!t charges they throw up against the wall.
FOP local and Nation wide should be paying close attention and raising there voices here, and ask how many criminals from last year or the previous years have been charged the same way for committing the shootings in Chicago's blood bath. I'm sure out of approx. 4000 shot, 800 murders last year we can find a few ones, tens, hundreds maybe, or NOT!!!! Preventing crimes from happening is a thing of the past, you have to actually wait for a crime to happen in multitudes to maybe (AND WE STRESS MAYBE) be clear from it without getting railroaded.
All she needs to do is prove one count of Agg Batt to put the PO in jail for 20 years or ore.
Right, when was the last time you've seen anyone get major time on an agg batt. Most shitheads get little time. If they do this they are opening up Pandora s box because from then on everyone should be charged the same way. Pwinkle and Dart will have a shitfit when all their people start filling the jails again.
FOP answer the door hello, hello, anyone there oh they must be out delivering these stup@d ballots!!!
Anonymous said...
Time to file an ARDC complaint against the original prosecutors for using the garrity protected statements in the grand jury indictment
3/24/2017 01:20:00 AM
Why isn't the union telling every policeman to take the 5th amendment on all criminal aspects of the shooting and get ordered to tell administratively.
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How can you charge someone with aggravated battery when the kid died? The charge would be murder/manslaughter not agg battery if you were gonna charge anybody. Every other agg battery case has had a surviving victim. Is she adding on charges because she knows the murder charges are bull shit and is trying to get him convicted of something when he beats the murder charge? Looks like they're doing everything they can to make sure Van Dyke goes to prison.
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It's felony aggravated battery ON A PUBLIC WAY! The state if the victim and you can charge it if the victim is dead. It's not used often but it is used.
There is a problem, just look at Deadly Force Use, nothing in it tells you how many times you can shot someone. There's a wide interpretation when you use it even for this dick head's action. I know what this asshole did is excessive, but if you are following the law, the charge of murder does not apply. Therefore, if murder doesn't work how can you charge him with agg-batt when the knife carrying nut is dead. Again I'm not condoning what this fool did only pointing out the charges don't fit what occurred.
"How do you charge him with 16 counts of Agg Batt when every round he fired didn't strike? I believe he was only hit with 9 of the 15-16 that were fired...That would be 9 counts...."
16 shots 9 hits = 7 were warning shots. Any non fatal hits clearly were also warning shots.
United States v. Torres-Flores, 502 F.3d at 887 (trial court appropriately refused lesser included offense instruction when jury could not have convicted on the lesser offense without also finding all elements of the greater offense)
Two thoughts:
1. It's Foxx with two x's
2. Old School would have been 6 from a wheel gun
Sounds like 8 counts of battery and 6 counts of assault. No prior convictions so
3 month supervision. Why the double standard? It is racist to treat him any different than the blacks being released for worse.He was actually just doing his job in good faith. The clowns that are roaming around causing 800 - 900 murders are actually planning to murder someone. See the math libs? I know libs hate math and preffer sociology. It is a easy grade.
Chicago police - this is how you take someone out,!with your squad car. Remember, you can't be charged because
the ACLU & precwinkle don't think a vehicle is a deadly weapon
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=WSz_pYr_YpY
Think twice about getting involved in proactive activity. Seems to me this is a dangerous precedent. Wasn't it a couple weeks ago where IPRA investigation of an old case said the first two shots were justified not the third. Does this mean they are going to indict every time deadly force is used and finds that shots one and two are authorized but not three,
3/24/2017 12:10:00 AM
How would I know if shots 1 & 2 hit the guy? How would anyone know?! You can't telll.
The low information mutts that Fox, Mary Mitchell etc. cater/pander to will applaud this move
They want to fuck the police and its much better when if it's a White officer.
In my opinion this reeks of desperation and their very strong desire to railroad .
Fair and impartial my ass!!
Maybe if Van Dyke didn't pick up his shell casings, I can see fining him for littering, but that is about it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
LET ME BE CLEAR; van dyke is a fucking idiot, he damaged this dept and all of us. What he did was stupid and yes, immoral! However, according to current state law, NOT ILLEGAL! Armed offender, refused to drop weapon, PERIOD! I predict he will be found not guilty, there will be riots. Then the will re-vise the state law, to fuck us.
3/24/2017 12:30:00 AM
Let me be clear, you sir/ma'am are the fucking idiot! Stupid? Because you were there right...you were in his shoes right. Immoral? Morals have nothing to do with it goof.
He reacted in accordance to his training when confronting an ARMED OFFENDER who was closing the distance gap while refusing to drop his weapon you ass. He was responding to calls from fellows officers for assistance. In short, he was doing his job. Whether it hurts the feelings of the public, outrages the family and politicians or sickens morons like you the fact is he did nothing wrong. The OFFENDER chose his actions, he chose his fate. What sickens me is goofs like you saying he has damaged the Department and me. You dont ever get the speak for me you ass. What sickens me is the grandstanding of lawyers in this city all looking for the almighty $$. What sickens me is the lack of leadership in the Department and the FOP who allow this continued bashing of the job I take pride in having by the media in this city. What sickens me is that alot of good people are being made an example of all in the name of politics. But what pisses me off is everyone concluded it was a good shooting, everyone.......till the mayor decided it was going to hurt his re-election. Then it was the crime of the century. Let them riot.....go ahead...who cares. I would rather have riots and see justice and common sense prevail for Van Dyke and the Officers who are stripped and fired than seeing no riots or conflicts for their false trial and convictions all in the name of politics and political correctness.
16 counts of first degree murder won't stick? How about a charge of "littering?"
She needs the NY Treatment
Anywhere she is and CPD is they need to turn their back to her and make damn sure the camera's are there
LET ME BE CLEAR; van dyke is a fucking idiot, he damaged this dept and all of us. What he did was stupid and yes, immoral! However, according to current state law, NOT ILLEGAL! Armed offender, refused to drop weapon, PERIOD! I predict he will be found not guilty, there will be riots. Then the will re-vise the state law, to fuck us.
You are absolutely right. By law and Dept order VD did nothing wrong. They are grasping for straws on this one.
Old Retired Guy
Hey Kim make sure the next offender is charged appropriately. When seeking charges from felony review of an offender of an agg batt or murder make sure the States Attorney approves 1 count for every shot fired. This is part of the new States Attorneys get tough on crime initive.
If you can find the coroners report all 16 hit the offender.. No way he's guilty of murder that's why they are grasping at Agg Batt. Bench trial unless he draws a hater Judge and there are plenty out there. making up for perceived injustice in the past. Get ready for the riots when he's found no guilty. F U Rahm, and Foxx. STAY FETAL
Keep up the good work, officers! The Department, City of Chicago, Mayor and Superintendent all have your back to stab.
Update:Do New Charges Against Cop Who Killed Laquan McDonald Give Jurors An Out?
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170323/archer-heights/laquan-mcdonald-case-jason-van-dyke-16-shots-and-a-cover-up?utm_source=Midway-Chicago+Lawn-Ashburn&utm_campaign=4c0cce349c-Mailchimp-CHI&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6742247f85-4c0cce349c-177427845
Obviously he's not guilty this is kimmy and Toni doing anything and everything to make any charge they can make up stick this is totally failed prosecution they know this was wrong grand standing and pandering to the tags and the gang bangers and the Fallons this is going to show how inept they all are. Jason as a fellow police officer a brother in blue extremely sorry to see how you are being dragged through the mud and throwing under the bus in the name of political expediency this was all caused by the elected and the police department holding back and not standing up for the police officers yourself and the others that were on duty that night. Jason hoping and praying that your lawsuit is huge hopefully your lawyer you're at your self your family and the other officers that were also suspended without pay pending termination are all involved in this lawsuit this should be The biggest award in the cities history also go after the county the states attorney the former state attorney that dishonest media and everyone else what they have done to you brother is unconscionable.
Any police officer working today thinking this could never happen to them better stand in front of the mirror take a good look at themselves and say there by the grace of God go I, saying that just to say that we are all police officers we must watch out for each other we also must watch out for our actions the people that are intent on harming or killing others Will not stop this has been going on for generations the elected the solutions they have is to constantly throw text payers money at them giving away billions of dollars freely that we work hard four. You must especially you young officers stay fetal follow all the rules make sure that you are watching exactly what you are doing if your partner is too aggressive make sure for their own good and your own good you school them and make sure you follow the dishonest media not sure if Jason how many other officers the working police are being thrown under the bus.
Anonymous said...
Next time you get an arrest, put multiple charges for each punch/kick/etc....watch the Lt.'s head explode.
3/24/2017 12:09:00 AM
I am a lt. in a northside district. Bring this arrest report to me. I will sign it. And when the next innocent citizen gets two or three rounds in them from a shithead gangbanger shooting at someone else, I will approve two or three agg bat charges on that one too. And then I will sit back and watch the ASAs head explode as they try to bullshit themselves into explaining why THAT one can't be charged that way.
Just another 16 reasons not to exit my cruiser. Gonna be a wild summer!
I was waiting for Kim Fox to become the Cook County version of Marilyn Mosby of Baltimore, Maryland infamy...it didn't take very long.
Time to hit the gym. Bulk up for the fallout. If I go I'm taking some these a**holes with me.
Appears to be just another bumbling effort to expand the war on police. This plan to add additional charges really does look like an attempt to salvage something from an embarassing loss.
Just drop the whole thing. A knife wielding criminal has been permanently rehabilitated and will no longer be a danger to the public. The next knife wielding criminal just might pay a little more attention to the Police Officer that commands him to "drop it".
J.J.
This poor soul has to be at wits end. Good Lord, the mutts can do a real double 1st degree murder and walk after 10 years. 2 million dollar bond, the poor folks that posted it lost 10 % or 20 K the second it got posted.
No one even can imagine what poor JVD is going through. Including his family.
The 5 million the city paid in shut up $$ is already gone by the trash that threw the kid in the street, and they are probably back on the link.
Poor soul my behind. He destroyed this entire department. Just ask the poor saps from 8 in a no pay status.
To 1230am, LET ME BE CLEAR. Go eat a dick, you arm chair quarterback.
Say what you want about how the whole McDonald shooting went down, but the local media is really diluting the facts, and these sheeple civilians that can't read between the lines believe every word. This morning Erin McElroy of ch 9 reported on the new charges against JVD and said that JVD shot McDonald while walking down the street. No mention about him being an offender of a crime, or walking down the middle of the street holding a knife. How about taking the extra 5 seconds to say why McDonald was shot. Agenda-free reporting is dead.
Pathetic can't even get thousand Officers to donate a dollar a week to Van Dyke and others fired.
Every boss who signed off on this should be in the witness stand to explain under oath as to why thiis is a good shooting ( which it is )
He will get convicted otherwise this will come back on the pos rahm. Rahm will be out there gloating when the guy gets found guilty, the news is too stupid to put rahms coverup for re election out in the air
Danny Herbert is a good lawyer and will this case.He.s real gentleman just like his father was R.I.P..
Talk about piling on. I hear they are going to charge him with 16 counts of mcc discharging a weapon within the city limits and one count of driving on the wrong side of the roadway. Anything to get one guilty finding.
Simple math
One incident/one victim =1 charge (even though this case, no agg battery should be in this equation)
Thus- 16 shots does NOT = 16 charges
Cook county ASA office =Baltimore ASA office
Fox= Imbicile
This whole thing reeks of "malicious prosecution" and is getting ridiculous!
Fox didn't bring the murder charge, Alvarez did. She inherited the case.
Foxx has to go
Keep the races out of it (I know impossible) and ask yourself was it a really good shoot??
I am NO FAN of kimesha foxx, but isin't this case in the hands of the kane county special prosecutor? I belive he is who added the charges; must be looking to advance his political career.
How about adding an additional DUI count for every beer someone drinks.
I believe in the Center on Halsted's answer to crime thats how I police now Let the death watch begin
$20 says Van Dyke will walk.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Aggravated battery will be an easier charge to prove. That is the reason for going with it. First Degree Murder was overcharging and the prosecution would have to prove that the PO intended to kill McDonald prior to his arriving at the scene. Unless they have audio tape or his partner's statement to that effect, they will have a very hard time proving premeditation. Don't know why they didn't just charge him with 2nd Degree or Involuntary Homicide or even Manslaughter. Those charges would be easier to prove and make more sense. He's got a very good lawyer as I recall and his own lawyer might have wanted the higher charges because of the difficulty of proving them. Kim Fox is doing the smart thing if she is looking for a conviction. All she needs to do is prove one count of Agg Batt to put the PO in jail for 20 years or ore.
3/24/2017 12:20:00 AM
Pay attention folks, this is not being done by SA Foxx. Dont forget, Joseph McMahon, the Kane County State's Attorney is prosecuting
this case and he requested the new indictment.
3/24/2017 01:07:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Time to file an ARDC complaint against the original prosecutors for using the garrity protected statements in the grand jury indictment
3/24/2017 01:20:00 AM
Hey Perry Mason, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Could you even imagine being selected for THIS jury?
Not a cop.
Hey dumb fuck. This is not the thread to pull your stupid I am for Kevin a graham bullshit. The last thing you want is more press on Jason.
How fucking dumb are you. Actually don't answer that.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dean, you are again, on this matter, speechless.
Anonymous said...
It was not murder it was not aggravated battery. It was an armed assailant who refused lawful orders from a uniformed on duty officer. The force used was justified which is why the police at the time signed off on the use of force and which is also why at the time the state's attorney office did not pursue charges. What is traggic is that now the media gets involved and they think there was a cover up when really there was nothing to cover up from the beginning. All bs. He'll be found not guilty. The media will cause a city wide riot and it will all be the big bad policemans fault for doing their job. In the mean time arrests are at an all time low and murders are at an all time high. Good job media and politicians.
3/24/2017 08:17:00 AM
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Right On! And VD will be back on the job soon. I heard that he will be called back next week. The perjurious statements notwithstanding, VD did absolutely nothing wrong. The 11 or so officers who have been fired are already back on the job.
"16 shots 9 hits = 7 were warning shots. Any non fatal hits clearly were also warning shots."
CPD Firearms Instruction at it's finest.
"Keep busting your a@@es for a system that will hang you for trying to prevent crimes, remember folks this guy had a knife had he actually followed through with a stabbing and killing someone then the story might change."
Hypothetical Harry exposing his what if bullshit, Doesn't change the story .
Worse than 68? Worse than the Bulls? Doubt it? So a bunch of liberals and paid protestors will march downtown and some anarchists will wear all black and throw a garbage can through the window of a Starbucks. The hood doesn't care, to much money would be lost on the dope spots if full on riots went on. Because let me tell you something when those cartel Mexicans expect their money they expect their money. You cant use the excuse sorry there was a riot we will get you that 75k next week. Also you think those shorties will really riot? Sure maybe they might fire off a few shots in the air or take a shot or two at a squad car. But they can't to much time in the streets because you know them Opps be rolling down the block looking for blood. My point is everyone is worried about their own shit these days and some people may do a little rioting but I wouldn't say it's the worst thing the city has ever seen.
Now that the Dept. is actively recruiting Dicks for OIS teams, remember the following.....
It doesn't matter that a 'great guy' is heading up that new unit. It doesn't matter is the State law gets amended (properly worded).
Keep in mind that you are one Liberal Civilian's (opposing) interpretation away from both losing your job and/or getting indicted over your OIS supplementary report.
Our Supe only recently admitted ignorance of the new State law regarding OIS. He is either a fool or a liar. Your D2A ass will be the first one indicted.
Remember how the Brass all walked away? ROY. MCNAUGHTON. O'DONNELL. FOR SHAME YOU MOTHERFUCKERS! Remember how those who merely responded all got "Laquan'ed"?
Remember, police work is oftentimes ugly. Ugliness does not equate criminality. With the advent of pervasive video, the public is now getting schooled on the ugliness of man and subsequently of police work. Do NOT be that scapegoat.
Remember JVD and also our brothers and sisters in 008. Godspeed to them and to the person above who prayed for them. Amen!
Signed,
-A veteran Dick who was personally invited to the party and declined.
Could you even imagine being selected for THIS jury?
Not a cop.
Only a moron would ask for a jury trail in this police hating city. It will be a bench trial.
I have worked VRI MICHIGAN AVE ALL MY CARRER UNTIL NOW....you can have it with any required work activity .... this state county city has imploded....no activity "activist" for you CPD!!!!
This just makes you wanna go out there and do police work, doesn't it?!
Is there any plan in place if Officer Van Dyke is found not guilty?? This city has the potential to explode in violence that the U.S. hasn't seen since the MLK riots.
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Not at all!! The powers to be will tell you the last minute that your days off are cancelled. Why plan anything?
LET ME BE CLEAR; van dyke is a fucking idiot, he damaged this dept and all of us. What he did was stupid and yes, immoral! However, according to current state law, NOT ILLEGAL! Armed offender, refused to drop weapon, PERIOD! I predict he will be found not guilty, there will be riots. Then the will re-vise the state law, to fuck us.
3/24/2017 12:30:00 AM
Let me be clear, you sir/ma'am are the fucking idiot! Stupid? Because you were there right...you were in his shoes right. Immoral? Morals have nothing to do with it goof.
He reacted in accordance to his training when confronting an ARMED OFFENDER who was closing the distance gap while refusing to drop his weapon you ass. He was responding to calls from fellows officers for assistance. In short, he was doing his job. Whether it hurts the feelings of the public, outrages the family and politicians or sickens morons like you the fact is he did nothing wrong. The OFFENDER chose his actions, he chose his fate. What sickens me is goofs like you saying he has damaged the Department and me. You dont ever get the speak for me you ass. What sickens me is the grandstanding of lawyers in this city all looking for the almighty $$. What sickens me is the lack of leadership in the Department and the FOP who allow this continued bashing of the job I take pride in having by the media in this city. What sickens me is that alot of good people are being made an example of all in the name of politics. But what pisses me off is everyone concluded it was a good shooting, everyone.......till the mayor decided it was going to hurt his re-election. Then it was the crime of the century. Let them riot.....go ahead...who cares. I would rather have riots and see justice and common sense prevail for Van Dyke and the Officers who are stripped and fired than seeing no riots or conflicts for their false trial and convictions all in the name of politics and political correctness.
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That is not what the video shows.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Fox didn't bring the murder charge, Alvarez did. She inherited the case.
3/24/2017 03:09:00 PM
No but she sure used the delay in charging to her benefit during the election
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Aggravated battery will be an easier charge to prove. That is the reason for going with it. First Degree Murder was overcharging and the prosecution would have to prove that the PO intended to kill McDonald prior to his arriving at the scene. Unless they have audio tape or his partner's statement to that effect, they will have a very hard time proving premeditation. Don't know why they didn't just charge him with 2nd Degree or Involuntary Homicide or even Manslaughter. Those charges would be easier to prove and make more sense. He's got a very good lawyer as I recall and his own lawyer might have wanted the higher charges because of the difficulty of proving them. Kim Fox is doing the smart thing if she is looking for a conviction. All she needs to do is prove one count of Agg Batt to put the PO in jail for 20 years or ore.
You DO NOT have to prove premeditation in Illinois for first degree murder: prosecutor must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he/she
-Intended to kill or do great bodily harm (or knew that the act would do so); or
-Knew that the act created a strong probability of causing death or great bodily harm; or
-Was attempting or committed a forcible felony other than second degree murder (i.e. rape).
This BS needs to end now!!! JVD ended a threat. Pure and simple. If you let Laqueef keep running around with that knife, he could've went into Burger King or wherever and killed someone. Then people would scream and shout that CPD let a killer run free and kill. Cries of "useless police" everywhere. End this bullshit persecution!
3/24/2017 11:47:00 AM
Well said!
Great--charge him with aggravated battery.... who is the complainant? does the "victim" need to be alive to charge him with aggravated battery.... 7th Amendment says you get to see your accuser in court...
How many times do we know who the offender of an aggravated battery is and we don't charge because the victim won't testify or sign complaints?
If the State will sign complaints for aggravated battery in this case, will they be signing aggravated battery in all cases when the victim won't sign the complaint?
Has this ever been done before?
Crazy precedent............
3/24/2017 01:07:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Time to file an ARDC complaint against the original prosecutors for using the garrity protected statements in the grand jury indictment
Sounds like the hog head midget Sgt who was in area south day saturation and in law school. What a loudmouth know it all
Aren't you glad Jesse Jr. Wasn't charged with 750,000 counts of Theft. One for each dollar he stole?
I hope Herbert subpoenas every exempt who signed off on this, active and retired. The judge has allowed cameras and everyone's testimony will be available to hear. Even the current Superintendent who has his name signed on this shooting.
I agree with those that think that JVD will be found not guilty on the BS charges. The press will whip the honor students up into a frenzy and riots will ensue. Have the stay fetal plan ready for that mess. Let the voters experience what they voted for up close and personal. Rahm and Special Ed will have some BS event they will need to attend out of town before they allow the reporters to unleash the stories. It doesn't take Nostradamus to predict this crap. Anyone seen proactively trying to restore peace is going to be stripped and FOP will pretend you don't exist.
Did I miss anything?
how about a blue flu for the JVD verdict?
Let me be clear, you sir/ma'am are the fucking idiot! Stupid? Because you were there right...you were in his shoes right. Immoral? Morals have nothing to do with it goof.
He reacted in accordance to his training when confronting an ARMED OFFENDER who was closing the distance gap while refusing to drop his weapon you ass. He was responding to calls from fellows officers for assistance. In short, he was doing his job. Whether it hurts the feelings of the public, outrages the family and politicians or sickens morons like you the fact is he did nothing wrong. The OFFENDER chose his actions, he chose his fate. What sickens me is goofs like you saying he has damaged the Department and me. You dont ever get the speak for me you ass. What sickens me is the grandstanding of lawyers in this city all looking for the almighty $$. What sickens me is the lack of leadership in the Department and the FOP who allow this continued bashing of the job I take pride in having by the media in this city. What sickens me is that alot of good people are being made an example of all in the name of politics. But what pisses me off is everyone concluded it was a good shooting, everyone.......till the mayor decided it was going to hurt his re-election. Then it was the crime of the century. Let them riot.....go ahead...who cares. I would rather have riots and see justice and common sense prevail for Van Dyke and the Officers who are stripped and fired than seeing no riots or conflicts for their false trial and convictions all in the name of politics and political correctness.
A big 10-4
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pathetic can't even get thousand Officers to donate a dollar a week to Van Dyke and others fired.
3/24/2017 02:13:00 PM
Live in 008 and work south..
I haven't seen or heard of any organized way to donate for jvd and the other officers on no pay status.
Pathetic can't even get thousand Officers to donate a dollar a week to Van Dyke and others fired.
3/24/2017 02:13:00 PM
Well, sir or madam, while you had the "SCC megaphone", why didn't you tell people about it and supply the e-address of where to make the donation? This is the first I heard of it and I would guess there are others who also are just now hearing about it, so please tell everyone where to donate.
I cannot imagine the meeting where they decided on this strategy. This case was a loser for the prosection from the beginning and now they just fudged it up even more. Thankfully, they have become Van Dyke's good luck charm. And, when he is found not guilty, let the assholes riot. Like we should care when they act out of control.
I am a lt. in a northside district. Bring this arrest report to me. I will sign it. And when the next innocent citizen gets two or three rounds in them from a shithead gangbanger shooting at someone else, I will approve two or three agg bat charges on that one too. And then I will sit back and watch the ASAs head explode as they try to bullshit themselves into explaining why THAT one can't be charged that way.
You must be one dumb Lt. Only an ASA can approve charges on agg batt.
Who didn't get the Stay Fetal message:
(Trib/ACLU)
- Out of 54,116 stops made by officers from Jan. 1- June 30, 2016, nearly 71 percent were of African-Americans, according to Keys' 216-page report. About 21 percent of the stops were of Hispanics and about 8 percent were of whites.
Who commiting the most crime?
NO COMMENT
Where were the stops in relation to most crime?
NO COMMENT
What hour were stops made?
NO COMMENT
Mindless rabble rousing liberals.
ALL EXCUSES, NO SOLUTIONS.
FakeNews quick to point a finger and not the whole story.
Why isnt kim or rahm being accussed of racism here?
Oh, the race card only goes one way correct?
And why the fuck would they allow rahm to make that secret payout and delay until after re election?
Kim Foxx has nothing to do with this case. It's in Kane County and the Chief States attorney is Joseph McMahon and he's a male, white. Do some research before you rant.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Keep the races out of it (I know impossible) and ask yourself was it a really good shoot??
3/24/2017 03:38:00 PM
No one on this dept that has a brain has ever disputed that it was a bad shoot and excessive force. There was time, there was distance, there was shielding. But this was in no way murder one. The officer was still in the commission of his office and in performance of his duties. What Alvarez did was not only spineless but very stupid and reckless by charging murder one. All in conceding to cityhall and the political pressure to pacify the community in order to cast a shadow on the political sins committed in regards to the withholding of the video. No way in any court of respectable jurisprudence will that charge stick.
Now in a feeble attempt by this prosecutor to get back to balance, they're gonna overcharge with these agg bat counts. Which sounds stange to me ( but maybe that's why I'm not a layer) given McDonald died as a result. So shitty charges and over sentencing must occur. Either way anything less than VanDykes head on the platter will not be sufficient now. Because thats what our 'leaders' promised the community. When it doesn't go down that way, all hell is gonna break loose.
I received my mail the other day and was taken aback by the flyer for Angelo that had a picture of him walking JVD out of the jail. Seemed to be in pretty poor taste to use that situation for your political gain. Plus since I haven't seen Angelo on the news discussing JVD it just felt disgusting to see the picture on his ad.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
LET ME BE CLEAR; van dyke is a fucking idiot, he damaged this dept and all of us. What he did was stupid and yes, immoral! However, according to current state law, NOT ILLEGAL! Armed offender, refused to drop weapon, PERIOD! I predict he will be found not guilty, there will be riots. Then the will re-vise the state law, to fuck us.
Kinda harsh, don't ya think?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
3/24/2017 01:07:00 AM
Time to file an ARDC complaint against the original prosecutors for using the garrity protected statements in the grand jury indictment
3/24/2017 01:20:00 AM
Garrity Rights apply to the right of a public employee not to be compelled to incriminate themselves by their employer. These rights are based on the 1967 United States Supreme Court decision Garrity v. New Jersey. Garrity Rights apply only to public employees, because they are employed by the government itself.
Loudermill Rights require due process before a public employee can be dismissed from their job. These rights are based on the 1985 United States Supreme Court decision Cleveland Board of Education v. Loudermill. Generally, these rights require a public employer to offer to have a "pre-termination" meeting with the affected employee; at this meeting, the employer presents their grounds for termination, and the employee is given the opportunity to respond.
Do Garrity Rights apply if I'm investigated by an outside agency?
If you are a public employee and are investigated by an outside agency, Garrity Rights can still apply if you are clearly subject to severe disciplinary action or termination if you refuse to answer the outside agency's questions. Typically, your own agency will order you to cooperate with the outside investigator; if this order is made, and the penalty for refusing to comply is made clear and is severe (generally termination), then Garrity Rights apply.
This is already a mistrial.
"The last thing you want is more press on Jason."...
FOP President, Dean Angelo, fired back today at the new allegations against officer Jason Van Dyke. Calling the new charges against him as sophomoric and political, and that they are simply a legal maneuver by the newly appointed Cook County States Attorney, Kim Foxx, to possibly garner more attention to her office, and thus further discredit the already embattled officer. The Chicago Police Department, the Chicago FOP, and their officers will seek justice to ensure that the actions of Jason Van Dyke were within his legal duties of Illinois, and federal laws.
It's that simple Dean. Jason needs our press, and he need to see your support.
If it's really more than you can handle, then step a side.
One arrestee with 22 rocks on him equals 22 separate charges. Can I get 22 court dates out of it?
does he get charged for Littering for all of the stray bullets?
Anonymous said...
I received my mail the other day and was taken aback by the flyer for Angelo that had a picture of him walking JVD out of the jail. Seemed to be in pretty poor taste to use that situation for your political gain. Plus since I haven't seen Angelo on the news discussing JVD it just felt disgusting to see the picture on his ad.
3/25/2017 12:14:00 AM
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That is the ONLY thing Dean has to try and show officers that the FOP has their back.
Dean is desperate.
Using a photo of himself assisting JVD out of 26th St. is a sad attempt by Dean to try and convince the rank and file active officers that he's got their backs.
Sorry Dean, you FAILED us!
Please VOTE
Active Officers need to VOTE
Dean has a great majority of retiree's backing him.
You don't want retiree's running the FOP for active officers!
VOTE
That is not what the video shows.
...........
Really, then enlighten me.
What does it show? Cause I would love to know what you are looking at.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Aggravated battery will be an easier charge to prove. That is the reason for going with it. First Degree Murder was overcharging and the prosecution would have to prove that the PO intended to kill McDonald prior to his arriving at the scene. Unless they have audio tape or his partner's statement to that effect, they will have a very hard time proving premeditation. Don't know why they didn't just charge him with 2nd Degree or Involuntary Homicide or even Manslaughter. Those charges would be easier to prove and make more sense. He's got a very good lawyer as I recall and his own lawyer might have wanted the higher charges because of the difficulty of proving them. Kim Fox is doing the smart thing if she is looking for a conviction. All she needs to do is prove one count of Agg Batt to put the PO in jail for 20 years or ore.
And you got your law degree in what university?
Anonymous said...
I am a lt. in a northside district. Bring this arrest report to me. I will sign it. And when the next innocent citizen gets two or three rounds in them from a shithead gangbanger shooting at someone else, I will approve two or three agg bat charges on that one too. And then I will sit back and watch the ASAs head explode as they try to bullshit themselves into explaining why THAT one can't be charged that way.
You must be one dumb Lt. Only an ASA can approve charges on agg batt.
3/24/2017 11:35:00 PM
Not quite asshole. I approve "PROBABLE CAUSE" for arrest. The ASA then comes in and reviews the case for final determination. The ASA can then look at how many counts of agg bat that we put on the arrest report and then justify why Van Dyke can get 16 couts but mr. shithead gangbanger only gets one. But then maybe you never made a GOOD felony arrest, just bullshit dime bag nonsense.
Finally, Dean defends a officer! Finally, Dean speaks to the press. How does it feel to be a leader of a union.
No one on this dept that has a brain has ever disputed that it was a bad shoot and excessive force. There was time, there was distance, there was shielding.
There was time, 1 Second. There was distance, 10 feet. And shielding, None. Where were You in that video?
So if you're investigating a shooting now and recover 12 shell casings on the ground do you ask for 12 agg. battery charges regardless of how many times the "victim" was shot? And I know charging and indicting are two different things but I'm trying to make a point.
Kim Foxx has nothing to do with this case. It's in Kane County and the Chief States attorney is Joseph McMahon and he's a male, white. Do some research before you rant
ur an idiot if u think FOXX WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. Just like the investigation of Hillary by FBI in which AG said she would stay out of it an just go with what FBI said, politics will always be forefront of the results. Just look at Baltimore.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
LET ME BE CLEAR; van dyke is a fucking idiot, he damaged this dept and all of us. What he did was stupid and yes, immoral! However, according to current state law, NOT ILLEGAL! Armed offender, refused to drop weapon, PERIOD! I predict he will be found not guilty, there will be riots. Then the will re-vise the state law, to fuck us.
Kinda harsh, don't ya think?
3/25/2017 12:17:00 AM
But very true.
4379 shot and 802 homicides last year and these idiots are putting forth all this effort to hold JVD to a special standard they created just for him. The majors office, the CPD brass, and the Chicago press are guilty of so much more and continue to dig that hole. The WILL incite riots to save their own skin by diverting attention away from themselves.
Knowing this in advance, How do we keep clear of the carnage and get the real crooks to face the music?
We don't need to hide in the City Hall coal tunnel to figure this one out.
Anonymous said...
I am a lt. in a northside district. Bring this arrest report to me. I will sign it. And when the next innocent citizen gets two or three rounds in them from a shithead gangbanger shooting at someone else, I will approve two or three agg bat charges on that one too. And then I will sit back and watch the ASAs head explode as they try to bullshit themselves into explaining why THAT one can't be charged that way.
You must be one dumb Lt. Only an ASA can approve charges on agg batt.
3/24/2017 11:35:00 PM
You must be a lazy dog ass... yes wc capt and DC can approve charges. There have been times when ASA's have been wrong. Like you. Wrong.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"The last thing you want is more press on Jason."...
FOP President, Dean Angelo, fired back today at the new allegations against officer Jason Van Dyke. Calling the new charges against him as sophomoric and political, and that they are simply a legal maneuver by the newly appointed Cook County States Attorney, Kim Foxx, to possibly garner more attention to her office, and thus further discredit the already embattled officer. The Chicago Police Department, the Chicago FOP, and their officers will seek justice to ensure that the actions of Jason Van Dyke were within his legal duties of Illinois, and federal laws.
It's that simple Dean. Jason needs our press, and he need to see your support.
If it's really more than you can handle, then step a side.
3/25/2017 12:49:00 AM
Agreed the more positive spin the better, no lawyer, no police officer that looks at this logically and lawfully can see these nonsense pandering charges are legit! the witch hunt is in full swing for coppers everywhere with a special section reserved to royally screw CPD coppers. Our media here is completely controlled by city hall they are so scared to conduct a legit investigation into patterns and practices of city hall,and the county they are owned by rahm and company who feed their voracious appetites with police stories no matter how trivial to keep the pressure off of their lies! JVD not guilty the judge will see it that way,because it is the only lawful way, bet the judge is looking to move out of here day after verdict that will be not guilty! God bless you Jason and your family and also your lawyer this is hell but they will pay the people that piled on brother!
Anonymous said...
That is not what the video shows.
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Really, then enlighten me.
What does it show? Cause I would love to know what you are looking at.
3/25/2017 08:07:00 AM
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The question is what are you looking at. You are the one who wrote the play-by-play analysis.
You must be one dumb Lt. Only an ASA can approve charges on agg batt.
3/24/2017 11:35:00 PM
You forgot about felony overrides, but that can't be done by a Lt either.
You must be a lazy dog ass... yes wc capt and DC can approve charges. There have been times when ASA's have been wrong. Like you. Wrong.
3/25/2017 11:06:00 AM
ASAs have been wrong, he was wrong, and you're wrong.
"VI. FELONY OVERRIDES
A. If felony charges are not approved by an assistant state's attorney, by either a rejection of felony charges or a designation of the case as a continuing investigation, that decision may be overruled by the appropriate area commander, Bureau of Detectives, for cases investigated by the Bureau of Detectives, or the appropriate area deputy chief, Bureau of Patrol, for all other cases."
Dean has a great majority of retiree's backing him.
You don't want retiree's running the FOP for active officers!
VOTE
3/25/2017 06:55:00 AM
Stop trying to divide actives from retired. I know dozens of retired and only one of them voted for Dean.
The good thing about retirees is we have time and perspective 9playing the long game) on our side. We've seen the gamesmanship, we've got time to look at the bigger picture. And, until you're retired you won't understand this, but we really do have your best interests at heart, because that's pretty much all we can do for our brethren at this point. We aren't out to screw you out of anything.
What should be on trial here is why the victims relatives got 5 million for turning him out on the street???????????????? At least in a society with values.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Keep the races out of it (I know impossible) and ask yourself was it a really good shoot??
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Why does no one that is trashing JVD talking about why the police were there in the first place? I'm going to honor your argument and I can't wait to hear fellow officers call me a fucking moron... black officer, white female offender. Let's add in something you all apparently hate to consider.... the offender attempted to slash a pedestrians thrown with a knife and was stabbing car tires. Second part, who cares, got it. First part, however, attempted to stab an innocent person. The police arrive and the offender attempts to stab the officers through the window and slash a tire I believe. Again, if that knife would have broken window and pierced the kneck or eye of the officer, I'd say the convo might be a little different, yes? But it didn't so let's pretend like none of that happened, right?
Now black PO shows up. It's scientifically proven that a knife is more deadly than a handgun at the distance of this shooting. Stupid facts again, I know, sorry.
Me: "good work, officer, it's tragic but I support you."
Now now now, my little race-baiting cohorts... here's my hypothetical/real-life comparative situation for you: recently there was a north side shooting in which a male officer (don't know/care his race) shot and killed a, wait for it, KNIFE-WIELDING FEMALE WHITE OFFENDER. She "suffered" from mental illness. I say good shoot. Her illness notwithstanding, does not deprive others of their personal right to safety, nor does it preclude officers from ordering her to drop said deadly weapon, nor does it preclude officers from legally and justifiably eliminating this threat.
So my questions are now posed to you who are all on the bandwagon of fuck JVD:
- why do you not speak of the offender's actions prior to encounter?
-why do you not see the moment when the offender begins turning with knife elevated and at same time JVD fires reversed course and collapses?
- why not allow his toxicology reports?
- why not release juvi records pertaining to violence?
- why is the NOrth side female armed with a knife a complete non-issue for you?
Yeah, let's talk hipocricy, stupidity and racism but you may want to take a hard look in the mirror first.
Can't blame JVD for this. He did his job. Blame Rahm bc if this video was released when it happened he would have never been re-elected. Rahms war with the department was his way to take the bad dirt off of his hands. That's why rahm has to go. Vote anyone but Rahm. Time to Rid-O-Rahm
Not quite asshole. I approve "PROBABLE CAUSE" for arrest. The ASA then comes in and reviews the case for final determination. The ASA can then look at how many counts of agg bat that we put on the arrest report and then justify why Van Dyke can get 16 couts but mr. shithead gangbanger only gets one. But then maybe you never made a GOOD felony arrest, just bullshit dime bag nonsense
Just what I said. The ASA makes the final determination. Unless you override it. So you are one dumb Lt. Now go make some more calls so you can become meritorious Captain too.
Not quite asshole. I approve "PROBABLE CAUSE" for arrest. The ASA then comes in and reviews the case for final determination. The ASA can then look at how many counts of agg bat that we put on the arrest report and then justify why Van Dyke can get 16 couts but mr. shithead gangbanger only gets one. But then maybe you never made a GOOD felony arrest, just bullshit dime bag nonsense
P.S. I would bet I have more time on the elevator at 26th and Cal than you have been a Lt.
The question is what are you looking at. You are the one who wrote the play-by-play analysis.
3/25/2017 03:18:00 PM
I've already explained it ass.
No one on this dept that has a brain has ever disputed that it was a bad shoot and excessive force. There was time, there was distance, there was shielding.
There was time, 1 Second. There was distance, 10 feet. And shielding, None. Where were You in that video?
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Never mind the facts, brother. A real warrior doesn't need to be there. He can make baseless assertions and call the people that were there "fucking idiots" and dazzle us with his tactics; "I would've done the double cobra strike to disarm the offender, a super taser trick shot or threw a net over the offender." We're suffering from ❄️ On the job who want to seem progressive and "understand" but only to the point where it will save their own skin when they're conducting legitimate police business. JVD was in a good shoot, a legally justified shoot, especially if you take the facts and leave out the hyperbole, such as race and tough guy officers who are invincible and full of false information. If the POS wasn't a violent heathen, high and running all around the street, slashing at the throats of pedestrians and at occupied squad cars, dropped the knife when ordered to repeatedly, well....things may be different, Monday morning QBs. Let's hear all the cool guy tactical "I would've done..." I LOVE hypotheticals!
Stop trying to divide actives from retired. I know dozens of retired and only one of them voted for Dean.
The good thing about retirees is we have time and perspective 9playing the long game) on our side. We've seen the gamesmanship, we've got time to look at the bigger picture. And, until you're retired you won't understand this, but we really do have your best interests at heart, because that's pretty much all we can do for our brethren at this point. We aren't out to screw you out of anything.
Couldn't agree more. You can't generalize about retirees. Don't they realize how many retirees have sons and daughters on the job and would rather have them receive additional benefits and vote accordingly. I am retired and knew what I was retiring into including the healthcare that was started three years ago when the city announced that it would be ending the city subsidy in three years. Very unhappy at that time and still am but we will see what happens in court
I for one would rather see my son benefit from FOP negotiations and I vote accordingly
Now let's all stick together and get along to the benefit of both the action and retired po's
Anonymous said...
The question is what are you looking at. You are the one who wrote the play-by-play analysis.
3/25/2017 03:18:00 PM
I've already explained it ass.
3/26/2017 06:42:00 AM
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Dumb Ass
Anonymous said...
You must be a lazy dog ass... yes wc capt and DC can approve charges. There have been times when ASA's have been wrong. Like you. Wrong.
3/25/2017 11:06:00 AM
ASAs have been wrong, he was wrong, and you're wrong.
"VI. FELONY OVERRIDES
A. If felony charges are not approved by an assistant state's attorney, by either a rejection of felony charges or a designation of the case as a continuing investigation, that decision may be overruled by the appropriate area commander, Bureau of Detectives, for cases investigated by the Bureau of Detectives, or the appropriate area deputy chief, Bureau of Patrol, for all other cases."
3/25/2017 03:27:00 PM
So as I have said "DC"... know what DC stands for as in rank? What is "AC" related to rank? Troll.
Dumb Ass
3/26/2017 04:12:00 PM
That's what I thought. GFY tool
The mentally deranged high on drugs offender was put down because he threatened to kill or cause great bodily harm to many. Why was he a ward of the state? Possibly because he was a threat to his own family!! Just another example of a minority instantly becoming a victim and completely ignoring his actions that justified this outcome. This insanity is brought to you by the aclu, Chicago Democrats, National Race baiters especially those masquerading as a priest and last but not least the corrupt left wing media.
So as I have said "DC"... know what DC stands for as in rank? What is "AC" related to rank? Troll.
3/26/2017 06:32:00 PM
You also said wc and capt, which leads me to believe that you meant district commander when you used DC. I'm 100% sure that's what you meant. You can pretend you meant something else, but you can't pretend you didn't include wc and capt. Tell us what you meant by those. Because neither of them can do a felony override. It's funny that I quote the order for you, and you call me a troll. You should be even more embarrassed if a troll knew your orders better than you do. Lucky for you, I'm an actual department member, so you just look like a typical know-it-all who actually doesn't know shit.
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