"At Issue" Rip Job
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Andy Shaw takes Rahm's talking points "balls deep" and then gargles with them.
Among the lowlights:
Andy Shaw takes Rahm's talking points "balls deep" and then gargles with them.
Among the lowlights:
- Homicide clearance rate is 5%? HeyJackass has it at 12.5% while the Department claims 17%. How about you ask Foxxx why she won't charge the killers? Pathetic, yes, but not all the Dpeartment's fault.
- Overtime - Cops get three hours pay for 15 minutes of work. First, it's a contractual agreement. Again, talk to Foxxx why she subpoenas a dozen officers for court, then gets continuance after continuance.
- Overtime again - manpower shortage. That's a political issue.
- NYPD clears more cases and monitors "social media" better. It's mis-allocation - that OT you're bitching about? Look at who racked up well-over $100,000 in unsupervised overtime. If you calculate backwards, they had to work 12-hours a day, every single day, with no days off all year - impossible, but the Department still cuts them checks. Who are they kicking up to?
We've heard some political hit jobs before, but Shaw takes the cake with this one. A typical Rahm/Machine move. No one is actually "negotiating in the media" but golly, the City message is certainly getting out there somehow. The FOP ought to sit on their hands for a year then file for arbitration. There's no reason to talk to Rahm - he's completely full of shit and won't negotiate anything without disciplinary concessions and that should be a non-starter.
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posted by SCC at 12:06 AM
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Just a dumb taxpayer here but about "Cops get three hours pay for 15 minutes of work", aren't you subpoenaed on your days off? Court might only last 15 minutes but how long did it take you to get there and back home on a day you should be relaxing?
Here is what has always been puzzling:
In the private sector, union/employer relationship, ie. contractual labor agreements, are governed by Labor Law, thus, the simple version goes something like this: union can strike, (and employer can then replace with the proverbial scabs) or continue to work under terms of expired contract, and employer can lock out union, (again, replacing with scabs) or continue to employ under expired terms. Under these conditions, union and employer must continue to negotiate until impasse is established, then compelled arbitration or eventual severing of union contractual employment.
As I understand it, if only for practical reasons, city can not lock out and replace with scabs, union can not strike and, thus, continue to work under expired contract is the only option, for both union and employer/city.
This makes me wonder why there is any question as to not agreeing to anything less favorable than the expired contract.
The union can not be locked out and replaced by scabs.....though that would be something to see the city try......what a fucking clusterfuck of fun and mayhem that would be....
SCC is correct, wait a year, have FOP declare an impasse and George Roumell decide it,,,,couldn’t do any worse
Lets put this "15 minutes worth of work" nonsense to bed. Rarely am i out of any courtroom in 15 minutes. The majority of the time, I am stuck there until the states attorneys "feel" like letting me go. Not to mention that it takes me about 3 hours of my day to go to traffic court. Felony, domestic, juvenile or misdemeanor courts are well over that. As a midnight officer, it makes very little sense to go home just to turn around and fight rush hour traffic to get back to court. This means extra hours sitting in a damn parking lot trying to catch a nap before they keep me there. If I did go home, it would still be on average over 3 hours in travel and wait time.
So in many cases, getting 2 hours of overtime for a MANDATORY court appearance translates to making less than straight time for the amount of hours it takes. All this for random court notifications that can easily pop up and screw up an officers days off, or plans with the family. So lets stop acting like the city is doing officers a big favor by forcing us to these courts. Especially if they are going to turn around to complain about the cost.
And let us not forget, police officers get disciplined including suspended if they miss a court date.
May as well go to Federal Arbitration, NOW!
Rahm is an asshole anyway!
By the way, FUCK YOU ANDY SHAW!
Rahm has to be reminded to whistle when he walks into the bathroom.
Without that help, he wouldn't know what end to wipe.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2017/08/06/can-mayor-rahm-emanuel-manage-chicago/#3877fca8632d This article started it all
Hey Andy place the blame where it belongs WE and the CITIZENS all know who is at fault
Its Comrade Ballerina. Comrade Andy is one of Rahm's 3 Main propagandists.
Trying to purify the Emmanuel Administration, Is Comrade Rahm seeking another office, maybe Durbins. no matter how much perfume you pour on a turd, its still a turd Mr BGA.
Rip This Joint
Wasn't there a Chicago TV reporter whose nickname was Stinky? My mind is drawing a blank as far as who they called Stinky. Can anyone help me out?
Andy Shaw, as smart as he is handsome.
Yea but keep making arrest Hair Gells ,emanuel's going to reward you , not with monetary compensation, but a room at the Grey Bar Hotel when they indite you !STAY FETAL NERO, If they dont pay, WE DONT PLAY, !Let the City Burn !
PS> The aldercreachers carry , Let them deal with the BLM getto rats !
If you write a no insurance ticket, cracked windshield, no DL, broken tail/headlight, these are all compliance tickets..so why are we getting notified to court for that?? Makes no sense, all they do is show proof they have or fixed it or in some cases, if you have a real lazy ass judge, all you have to do is SAY I fixed it and your off the hook. In some cases, Signed complaints..again, why am I getting notified? That's up to the complainant. Juvy court, domestic, 26/cal, Skokie, you get a 9am notification, no lawyer or judge even shows up to at least 10, then thy have no clue what's going on so sit around for 3 hrs for them to tell you oh we don't need you, you'll get another date! All of this shit is a pain in the ass to me on my days off..so yea, give me my fuckin time spent in court on my days off or having to get up early making a looong day of work Mayor Jagoff.
Seems nobody knows that if it is my day off on a Friday in july and i miss court and it is my day off I then lose
1 full day of pay.
I take my own car I then have to dress in uniform and then read reports that are sometimes a year old.
Now ask the inspector general how many people have gone to prison because he worked on a case ALONE?
Why hasn't any of Chicago's reporters investigated rahmie? All of rahmie's cost cutting and tax increases and the city is still broke. Why? where is the money going? Why is there no accountability? Rahmie's administration is the most corrupt in the history of Chicago and the so called investigative reporters turn a blind eye. Very sad.
I gladly gave up going to court when I moved inside. Who gives a shit about the money? The Govt. robs you of 1/3 anyway.
Propaganda pure and simple. Graham will prove to us who he is in two to three years when we get a copy of the handshake agreement more likely giving up shit like duty availability and mutating the uniform allowance to eroding seniority ala that smidget dean angelo. Backdooring us on discipline will be important for the 9 finger gnome to ensure his reelection So First And Foremost be on the look out for that. This contract is important and that is why the gloves are off right now and the slow poisoning and blood letting of Officers in Blue has started this early in the media. There are more issues and hit pieces to come, including 1 or 2 potential bombshell bullshit (bullshit to us not the sheep) issues. Lastly in the Mcdonald/Van dyke case it should be put out in full force all the names of the current bosses who stated in the reports that the shooting was justified and how they have moved up the ladder and/or allowed to retire and get even better 6 figure jobs. It needs to be put out and repeated over and over again. Use every media tool possible and list and print those names and if possible their statements. Hopefully Herbert will call these hacks and merit tools to the stand so their double statements can be put on public record!
Isn't Andy Shaw the asshole that got Shaved shut down?
If you work the math, 3 hrs for a court appearance is NOT ENOUGH . Getting ready , travel to court, pay for gas, wait for the call, returning travel back home , let's not forget pay for parking. Now if anyone thinks 3 hrs is enough pay to do that , you should be kicked off this job for stupidity !
I was listening to Ole Andys report on the radio when it first aired. I can't remember yelling and SWEARING so much as I listened to this BULL SHIT coming from this ASSHOLE...FUCK YOU ANDY. My God...What a Hit piece...
the 15 min thing is unfair. Who in the private sector has to report to work for overtime for a 15 minute shift? Well ... we do, as part of our job. If we don't, we get gigged for missing court. So it's a contract issue, as we all know. We get a minimum 2 hours when we are ORDERED, effectively, to report to work for what amounts to an unknown, timewise, tour of duty. So if we are at court for 15 minutes, or 1:59 minutes, we get the 2 hours, which is at 1.5 time. Believe me, on Monday morning I do not want to get out of bed, get my monkey suit on, and drive through numerous ghettos to go to 26th/Cal for a 15 minute shift. It's nonsense. I make about $45/ hr. What, am I supposed to do all this for an actual 15 minute shift? So at 1.5 time I am supposed to do all this nonsense for what, $12? Thanks, I'll stay in bed.
Dirty Andy is a demorat whore whose son in law is none other than the idiot on msnbc, Chris Hayes. Since the police are only deplorable white racists (even the black ones) in the eyes of our seditious media elite, and democommie superiors, what do you expect? If their paid rioters anti-fa start their "civil war" on Nov. 4, and you are ordered to stand and watch like others have been in the past, arrest the lot of them even the brass and demorats who issue illegal orders for sedition. Administer wood shampoos to resisters liberally. You guys deserve a little satisfaction in your work. All this demorat bullshit has to stop. Trump would give you the thanks of a grateful nation.
Tell Rahm in no uncertain terms that we'll take residency all the way to the SCOTUS. Then all the bad sh#t will go away.
You don't want to pay us for court fine change my shift to days and schedule me to 26th and California for the day, that way the districts will be even shorter. Could you imagine that scheduling nightmare? People just don't get it. I love the we "get paid for 15 minutes of work." I have an idea why don't we pay firemen only for the time they leave the firehouse. Sure they have to be there ready to go for 24 hours but if they only had one run for an hour that's all they should be paid for, correct. Me too my ass.
Andy Shaw use to try and get on the merry go round on the playground at recess as a kid and they would spin it faster so he couldn't. He would run away crying and the office would have to call his mom. She would come to the school and when the school failed to punish the kids involved, she would call the police. When they arrived, she didn't like their response either. So Andrew grew up hating teachers, school officials, and the police, feelings that has lasted all this time for him.
In the Suburban Police Contracts the rate is 4 hours of OT pay
Check with Aurora PD and other Suburban Police Departments
The travel time should count for Pay
The Gas and Use of Your Personal Car. Should count for Pay
The Court Attendance is for City Business
Should get mileage pay also for using your Personal Car
The master of smoke screens is none other than the twerp murder mayor himself, The real question andy should be, Is city hall specifically the fifth floor ready for reform?
I'm not that worried about the "minimum 3 hours of OT" stuff - but I would, as a taxpayer, have to wonder about those people who are making say, $50k of OT a year and more and wondering wtf is going on. Let's start there. Supervisors should be asking the questions we ask employees in the private sector: If everyone's working 40-50 hours a week and you've got one guy working 60+ and not taking time off, you should wonder how effective they are or what can you offload to employees not working those hours. Burnout is contagious.
NYPD monitors social media better, of course they do. This city is more concerned with protecting a mutts privacy online and will barely let you touch anything that’s open source.
Off topic. 1963 NFL Championship. Bears with Bill Wade at QB 10; Giants with the late, great Y.A. Tiddle at QB 3. Godspeed Mr. Tiddle.
Good thing we don't negotiate in the Media! Fair shake for all
So, clear the overtime up by making the county pay for it ever time the SA requests a continuance.
When Shaw was a reporter at Ch7, the other reporters (usually the newsbabes) in town called him “Smelly” or “Stinky” as he wore the same clothes for a week and didn’t didn’t shower often......hates cops, you knew he had a boner as he was delivering his report.
I don’t know if they still do it, but back in the day off duty cops used to go out with the camera trucks and drive reporters to scenes. I covered for some old timers doing this many years back
Thinking of opening another unlicensed B&B, Andy?
Thank You SCC for digging this up and bringing it to the light.
Rahm said he didn't want the FOP negotiating in the media...what did you think, he wasn't going to start ordering these hit pieces all of a sudden? The media lapdogs can deny it all day long, but we all know if they don't play up to the Machine, they get cut out of City Hall. Politicos, media, Inspector Generals, BGA, SJW....just one long Human Cetipede!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just a dumb taxpayer here but about "Cops get three hours pay for 15 minutes of work", aren't you subpoenaed on your days off? Court might only last 15 minutes but how long did it take you to get there and back home on a day you should be relaxing?
Exactly
....leaving court now. And rarely are people there for just 15 min. Sometimes. Today for instance I went, was there for an hour. Got continued like always. Took an hr on the train to get there and an hr ride back. 3 hrs worth of pay. That is why it’s like that in the contract. Because they know it takes an hour to get anywhere in this city.
Let the ASA pay the overtime out of their budget and see how fast they determine not all the officers are needed and how we would be notified of continuances prior to a court appearance
Was able to listen to some of the unsubstantiated drivel from Andie Shaw and actually heard Crank Delimaore's head bobbing up and down in agreement.
This Shaw guy is a prick and Delimore is a another yes-man hack.
All that interview contained is Shaw's beef with the Police and knowing he had a partner in agreement with the anti-Police At Issue Program.
He complained and called the 3 hour min. Contractual Court Overtime as "travel time", obviously 'He's With Rahm' and is an Anti-FOP ambassador.
He complains about the clearance rate for murder.
He doesn't complain about the culture where the deadly violence emanates.
He doesn't seem to mind the Automatic Restorative Justice I-Bond Policy that keeps the jails empty.
F-ck off Andie Boy, you too Crank Delimore.
Stay Fetal
Rahm said he didn't want the FOP negotiating in the media...what did you think, he wasn't going to start ordering these hit pieces all of a sudden? The media lapdogs can deny it all day long, but we all know if they don't play up to the Machine, they get cut out of City Hall. Politicos, media, Inspector Generals, BGA, SJW....just one long Human Cetipede!
Overtime practices are based on the same practices found in union building trades. If a union tradesman shows up at a job site and for whatever reason it’s canceled they get two hours pay for showing up. If they pick up their tools and start working and the job is canceled (example: pouring rain) they get four hours pay. Since court is overtime the two hours becomes three. Shaw you’re an asshat!
I'll gladly stay home, leave work on time, and enjoy my time off on my RDO instead of going to court; they can keep their OT. We should be getting a full time and a half for mandatory court appearances on our RDOs as far as I'm concerned anyway. And just getting to court takes an hour commute time in this mismanaged traffic jammed shithole of a city. You have to be there on time, but the judges can show up whenever the hell they please and the attorneys just file continuance after continuance. There's no reason for us to even be there unless we are the complainant- read the report, that's what I observed, heard, and did.
BGA in this town should be non stop, but when they press conference it's never about political corruption.
Andy Shaw is corrupt
If the BGA really wants to look at overtime abuses, let them study the Cook County Hospital. Those folks make everyone look like pikers.
Anonymous said...
Just a dumb taxpayer here but about "Cops get three hours pay for 15 minutes of work", aren't you subpoenaed on your days off? Court might only last 15 minutes but how long did it take you to get there and back home on a day you should be relaxing?
10/10/2017 12:26:00 AM
No, not dumb, you got it. And, court never last only 15 minutes.
SCC - You probably have the best solution to a maniacal mayor, 48 AlderCreatures (2 of 50 are actually pro police), and an anti police media intent on destroying our contract. Not playing into their hands will rattle their game plan. But we should respond to these ridiculous accusations regarding overtime. The constant, unchallenged repetition of the lies will morph into the truth as far as the citizens are concerned. "FOP cannot negotiate in good faith with a deceitful mayor intent on decimating our contract." - should become our platform.
Retired .38 spl +P
Only way to spend 'only 15 minutes' in court is to arrest only defendants with lawyers. I used to love sitting in court after working a midnight shift (and having to work another one that night), while watching lawyers walk up and 'shake hands' with the clerk. The lawyer's client was always called shortly after. A clerk told me this is called 'professional courtesy.'
Often, after sitting there till 1300 hours, the judge called a recess for lunch, and I had to find a way to spend an hour & 1/2 while the court people spent that handshake money on lunch. Damned glad to be retired, you poor bastards. The Real Reverend Al.
Come on guys, worst case 95% get away with murder best case 83% getaway with killing their fellow citizens. Pathetic performance by detective division, fire her and being in a hard nosed ball breaker. The entire CPD should be ashamed. Time for some accountability.
Actual true facts are not a weapon in the liberal democrats action plans. If their mouth is open, they're lying.
Back in 2006 the democrats were all for a wall on our southern border. They had 8 years to do it, but like everything else, they lied! They've become a criminal organization that constantly fleeces the U.S. citizens. (And there's a crap load of worthless Republicans too.)
J.J.
The idea 3 hours for 15 minutes sounds bad to the taxpaying public. Private sector people are not paid travel time. Do you get travel pay for showing up every day, no so why should overtime be rewarded to that degree. You are already getting a premium overtime hourly rate. Like it or not you are still being paid by the taxpaying public, and this just looks bad. If you only defense is "it's in the contract" then sorry its a bad contract as far as the tax payers are concerned. Perceptions are realities.
SCC -
Read these two links and the BGA-AndyShaw/MichaelSacks/Rahm connection gets crystal clear.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/September-2016/Michael-Sacks-Is-the-Rahm-Whisperer/
http://2017luncheon.bettergov.org/
On the second link, scroll down and see the Co-Chairs for this event for the elite. It includes -- ta da !! -- Michael Sacks.
Mr. Driehaus really should remove himself from that list. He's a good guy surrounded by a bunch of panderers and hondlers...
President The Donald needs to come to Chicago, bitch slap Andy Shaw, then show him how much Better Government can be without Democrats.
Lets look at the numbers. Projected 300 million in overtime is about $37500 per each of the 8000 officers SCC are on the job. Hard to justify that kind of largesse with no or very little accountability. Only in a government job would this be possible. People are fed up with this nonsense and rightfully so. Higher taxes and new fees every year and then this report makes the CPD part of the problem. I know this will be hard to read but it reality and puts you in a very bad light. All the excuses do nothing to put the average taxpayer on your side. A lot of those taxpayers would love to have a $37500 per year full tome job. A 1000 new hires at $125000 (estimate of salary and benefits) per year would only cost city one hundred twenty five million. Something is radically wrong with the $300 million in projected overtime costs.
Oak Park police get 4 hours for court appearances.
great job by the bears another lost- 1-4. go green bay the pack will be back, what do the green bay packers and seiser have in common ?
ANSWER; they both know how to run it,
ANYBODY but Emmanuel—the WORST Mayor in the history of Chicago.
He HATES Cops and loves ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Fireman/Paramedics get min 4hrs!?!? What the hell!!!
Emmanuel has turned Black communities into War Zones
I came on in 1973.
We got 3 hrs time minimal for court.
(When the contract came, we got 2 hrs at time & 1/2.)
Sooooo, for over 44 years nobody noticed.
Democracy in places with demographics like our rougher neighborhoods here in Chicago or in worse places like Baltimore simply doesn't work.
"The People" elect law enforcement officials like Kim Fox, like Obama who then appoints the likes of Eric "My People" Holder or Lorreta the angry Black Bit** Lynch.
In such instances it's up to our leaders like President Trump or AG Sessions to appoint/empower some honest tough MEN to see that basic law enforcement is done. The GOP Governor of Michigan appointed a special city manager for Detroit when teachers, fireman weren't getting paid.
Our country was set up originally as a Constitutional Republic - not a "democracy" where everyone including imbeciles, criminals and illegal aliens were allowed to vote. We didn't even give women the right to vote until the 1920s and then the Women's Temperence League pushed through Prohibition - that should have taught us a lesson: never give in to pushy women.
I say let's end Women's Suffrage. Haven't we all suffered enough?
J Ryan
AllrightChicago
Andy is just a goof who breaks the laws! what happened when he caught with that ghetto style bed and breakfast? Yes he sold it quickly wonder when this war starts what side will andy the rest of the dishonest media be on:
BREAKING: Trump summons US Generals to White House WAR ROOM over North Korea
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/651337/North-Korea-War-Nuclear-US-Missile-Donald-Trump-Kim-Jong-un-General-Mattis-Rex-Tillerson
More reasons to take my tax paying ass out of this shithole.
Fuck you illinois.
Ferguson was on WVON last week impressing the hosts about the rampant O.T. and sneaky tricks wiley coppers use to get more O.T. because of that pain in the ass contract!
(OT) headine should be another liberal snowflake with degree from northwestern does what stupid liberals do:
Man suspected of shoving stranger onto subway tracks recently got Ph.D. from Northwestern
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-cta-blue-line-push-20171010-story.html
That phd pretty high diploma surely did not include any common sense!
Complaining about getting 2 hours of overtime (3 hours straight time) for mandatory court appearances is like complaining about officers in chicago having 24 hours to give a statement after a police involved shooting. WE ALREADY GET LESS THAN A LOT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON BOTH THINGS!!.
Many departments give their officers 3 hours of OVERTIME (4.5 hours of straight time). And these suburban departments actually have parking around the courthouses. In Shitcago you have to park and take public transportation or pay $20-$25 to park near the courts which puts you further in the hole depending on how long the commute to court was.
I guess bringing up anything like that would require a "journalist" to do some actual research is too much to ask from the local media. But that would also mean that the piece might even seem...... unbiased?? Nope, cant have that...not here, not in shitcago.
Watchdogs my ass. The media here are more like lapdogs doing the bidding of the mayor and the leftist agenda.
If you are required to appear in court on your day off you should get 8 hpurs pay not three.
SCC why are you laying off Dart lately. The supreme court just ruled his firing board unconstitutional and he has to rehire 250 officers. It's in the tribune.
Came on in 1970. Arrests on the weekend you had to go o court on Sat and Sun.and sit there half the morning for a continuance. Made no sense but we got the OT. Dept rules not ours. We also didn't pay for insurance. Times have changed.Hey Joe the slips have to be signed by supervisors. The ok it not the patrolman. why don't you tell the great citizens of Chicago who you and Rahn pander to to become model citizens and obey the laws.
Andy got his daughter a job in the obama White House from Rahm. Andy’s son in law is Chris Hayes from msnbc and their kids middle name is Emanuel. That should tell you where his head is at. And it’s not with cops, it’s with his guy Rahm.
Then please tell every person you know and yourself to go apply immediately. The city demands that police work OT. the police do not get unlimited OT. There is accountability you idiot. Do you have a clue about budgets and municipal governments? WTF is wrong with you?
Lets look at the numbers. Projected 300 million in overtime is about $37500 per each of the 8000 officers SCC are on the job. Hard to justify that kind of largesse with no or very little accountability. Only in a government job would this be possible. People are fed up with this nonsense and rightfully so. Higher taxes and new fees every year and then this report makes the CPD part of the problem. I know this will be hard to read but it reality and puts you in a very bad light. All the excuses do nothing to put the average taxpayer on your side. A lot of those taxpayers would love to have a $37500 per year full tome job. A 1000 new hires at $125000 (estimate of salary and benefits) per year would only cost city one hundred twenty five million. Something is radically wrong with the $300 million in projected overtime costs.
Anonymous said...
Lets look at the numbers. Projected 300 million in overtime is about $37500 per each of the 8000 officers SCC are on the job. Hard to justify that kind of largesse with no or very little accountability. Only in a government job would this be possible. People are fed up with this nonsense and rightfully so. Higher taxes and new fees every year and then this report makes the CPD part of the problem. I know this will be hard to read but it reality and puts you in a very bad light. All the excuses do nothing to put the average taxpayer on your side. A lot of those taxpayers would love to have a $37500 per year full tome job. A 1000 new hires at $125000 (estimate of salary and benefits) per year would only cost city one hundred twenty five million. Something is radically wrong with the $300 million in projected overtime costs.
10/10/2017 12:32:00 PM
So.....involuntary overtime is now "largesse", is it?
And management, as in the fucking politicians in charge, has nothing to do with the bad lighting having to work overtime puts the actual workers in, right?
And the taxpayers are so fed up that they just won't take anymore of this overtime excess, you say.....
Shirley, indeed you jest.......
Dear troll. It's a negotiated union contract approved by the city of Chicago elected officials. Too bad. Go to a city council meeting and complain about your stupid perception.
The idea 3 hours for 15 minutes sounds bad to the taxpaying public. Private sector people are not paid travel time. Do you get travel pay for showing up every day, no so why should overtime be rewarded to that degree. You are already getting a premium overtime hourly rate. Like it or not you are still being paid by the taxpaying public, and this just looks bad. If you only defense is "it's in the contract" then sorry its a bad contract as far as the tax payers are concerned. Perceptions are realities.
10/10/2017 12:17:00 PM
Anonymous said...
The idea 3 hours for 15 minutes sounds bad to the taxpaying public. Private sector people are not paid travel time. Do you get travel pay for showing up every day, no so why should overtime be rewarded to that degree. You are already getting a premium overtime hourly rate. Like it or not you are still being paid by the taxpaying public, and this just looks bad. If you only defense is "it's in the contract" then sorry its a bad contract as far as the tax payers are concerned. Perceptions are realities.
10/10/2017 12:17:00
Are you Serious? Relatives of mine who are private sector get a take home car, on the clock when they leave the house and take paid liquid lunches. They are sales for a large company. Im sorry you were not smart enough to either get hired by the City or get a good "Private Sector" job. They are out there if you try hard enough. You obviously vote for the Donkey Plantation party. Enjoy your scraps.
Then don't require us to attend court. Does the public know that we get disciplined in lightening speed when we miss court? Do they know we face suspension time for missing court costing us lots of $$$? It takes me an hour to get to 26th street for court and an hour back. We work all night and then are forced to attend court in the morning. 15 mins in court? When does that happen? Sure sucks doing this job when everyone is against you in all aspects. Scumbag lying media again!
Question to Andy. What has the mayor done to stop crime in the city?
FOP don't trust them! Ask for everything and head right to arbitration.
Any chance that Rahm Emanuel will return any of the thousands of dollars that he accepted from Harvey Weinstein of Miramax Films?
Wonder if any of Ari's clients were called to meet with the Hollywood mogul in private?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The idea 3 hours for 15 minutes sounds bad to the taxpaying public. Private sector people are not paid travel time. Do you get travel pay for showing up every day, no so why should overtime be rewarded to that degree. You are already getting a premium overtime hourly rate. Like it or not you are still being paid by the taxpaying public, and this just looks bad. If you only defense is "it's in the contract" then sorry its a bad contract as far as the tax payers are concerned. Perceptions are realities.
Hey shit for brains.Please don't comment about something you know nothing about just what you
read in the paper.And by the way police officer also are tax paying people also who make it
safe for you to sleep at night.We risk are LIVES for jagoffs like you.Stop being a hater and
try thanking the police for the job we do.
FOP better not give up ONE DAMM THING!! We are tired of losing. If the city wants to restructure discipline then we better get big big stuff in return!
Who watches the watch dog? Who can we complain to?
OT...talk about race baiting
ABC 7 Facebook post...A female college student is fatally shot by police while celebrating her birthday.
Unless you click on the link you will not know the rest of the story.....a 22-year-old Temple University student struck several vehicles and ran over an officer before fatally being shot by police.
http://abc7chicago.com/college-student-shot-by-cops-after-she-ran-over-officer-police-say/2516010/?sf120730514=1
(OT) yet another cps tax hike for their pension scheme:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-chicago-schools-budget-hearing-1011-story.html
Why don't they at least contribute as much as coppers do? Why not remove illegals and their kids the freeloading must stop!
And as I posted last night, Rahm has pictures of him and Harvey - who hosted a fundraiser for his fellow member of the Tribe - all over the internet. It's disgusting, really. If all of Ari's indiscretions show up in a neutered version of real life on Entourage (which the Brothers Emanuel seem to fully embrace), how did little boy Rahm not know that Harvey was diddling? And the funny thing about it is, in all of his diddling, he was always in a rob. Think about that. It's hilarious.
"Harvey was sitting behind the coffee table, in a bathrobe. He asked me to massage him."
Regardless, Rahm knew exactly what was going on, because of his relationship with his super-agent brother. Fuck Rahm, and his jumping out and returning the 11K. So, fucking, calculated. Can he return any money to the Senator he accosted in a shower nude?
Fuck you, Rahm. You have fucked my city (not yours, Wilmette cunt) beyond belief.
And for any and all, read Mike Houlihan's new book about the little cunt, called " Nothing's On The Square" (in Russian hieroglyphics, so as to demonstrate Rahm's utter disdain for democracy).
years ago a tactical Lt. would never make over $150,000 in overtime . Now a Police Commander . How about solving this easy one , Dis the Tactical Lt. conduct follow up investigations , make late arrests , attend court a few days a week ?
Who approve the tactical lieutenants OT wasn he a merit sgt. and lt . how long was he a field lt. now a commander what a shame , it's a theft
And another media rip job but they are caught:
https://breaking.projectveritas.com/NYTimes1.html
exactly what does a tact lt do for 8 hours a day , not much , can his vehicle GPS , telephone locator when he was suppose to be working
Anonymous said...
If you are required to appear in court on your day off you should get 8 hpurs pay not three.
10/10/2017 05:25:00 PM
Yes, I am long retired and I agree. Maybe police officers should get the same deal that union tradesmen get from the mayor regarding overtime and working on your day off or holidays? How about the teachers who have a much shorter work year and early retirement with a much better pension but without the stress and danger? The point is when you start attacking something that was previously negotiated between the union and the employer there is no end to where it might go.
Anonymous said...
Come on guys, worst case 95% get away with murder best case 83% getaway with killing their fellow citizens. Pathetic performance by detective division, fire her and being in a hard nosed ball breaker. The entire CPD should be ashamed. Time for some accountability.
10/10/2017 12:06:00 PM
It has been some time since I was in the detective division, so I don't know everything that goes on these days. But, the clearance rate is very bad, very low, possibly the worst in the country of any big city. Something really needs to be done. Is it the merit detectives? The supervisors and leaders who were never detectives? The rules put on the detectives by the agreements with liberals, the court orders, the state laws passed or a combination of all of the above? Who do you blame for this and why is no one in a leadership position being called to answer for this? I do know that the political class that runs this city and this department has , in the past, used the detective division as a plum for the connected who want to work in a unit that dies not wear a uniform and possibly get a take home car. This applies to Internal Affairs, the detective division and any other specialized unit. It really is a political police department and the word " merit" has been redefined.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I gladly gave up going to court when I moved inside. Who gives a shit about the money? The Govt. robs you of 1/3 anyway.
10/10/2017 07:30:00 AM
You need to find a better tax preparer. No one on this job is in the 33% tax bracket.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The idea 3 hours for 15 minutes sounds bad to the taxpaying public. Private sector people are not paid travel time. Do you get travel pay for showing up every day, no so why should overtime be rewarded to that degree. You are already getting a premium overtime hourly rate. Like it or not you are still being paid by the taxpaying public, and this just looks bad. If you only defense is "it's in the contract" then sorry its a bad contract as far as the tax payers are concerned. Perceptions are realities.
10/10/2017 12:17:00 PM
Would you drive an hour to work and an hour back home on your day off for only 15 minutes pay? Plus the 3 hours is the premium pay. It's 3 hours at your normal pay.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets look at the numbers. Projected 300 million in overtime is about $37500 per each of the 8000 officers SCC are on the job. Hard to justify that kind of largesse with no or very little accountability. Only in a government job would this be possible. People are fed up with this nonsense and rightfully so. Higher taxes and new fees every year and then this report makes the CPD part of the problem. I know this will be hard to read but it reality and puts you in a very bad light. All the excuses do nothing to put the average taxpayer on your side. A lot of those taxpayers would love to have a $37500 per year full tome job. A 1000 new hires at $125000 (estimate of salary and benefits) per year would only cost city one hundred twenty five million. Something is radically wrong with the $300 million in projected overtime costs.
10/10/2017 12:32:00 PM
Slow down there Hoss, this 300m in overtime is due to the cities attempt to cut down on shootings and murders (What price do u put on a life). Officers were having their days off cancelled, often times working 10 days straight. And u want to blame the officers ?
Andy was so interested in the swat saga, especially the law suit, equipment failures and much much more. Andy loves a good story. Now go get your shine box.
Swat tryouts going on. Is it legit or will I waste my time? Anyone on the team can give me an honest answer? Please no sarcasm. I don't have many options on this job. I have zero clout. I am a hard worker. Great shape and was runner up for Top Gun in the academy. I just want an honest answer.
Midnights in 005.
Many years ago, I was on the scene of what turned out to be a residential arson with seven dead people inside including children. We had the police tape around the entire front of the house to secure the scene. All of a sudden, this guy walks up and lifts the tape to get under it and walk to the house. I stopped him and he said " I'm Andy Shaw from channel 5 News" I told him " I don't give a rats ass who you are! Stay outside that yellow tape or I'll lock your ass up!" Good to see some things never change huh?
Lets look at the numbers. Projected 300 million in overtime is about $37500 per each of the 8000 officers SCC are on the job. Hard to justify that kind of largesse with no or very little accountability. Only in a government job would this be possible. People are fed up with this nonsense and rightfully so. Higher taxes and new fees every year and then this report makes the CPD part of the problem. I know this will be hard to read but it reality and puts you in a very bad light. All the excuses do nothing to put the average taxpayer on your side. A lot of those taxpayers would love to have a $37500 per year full tome job. A 1000 new hires at $125000 (estimate of salary and benefits) per year would only cost city one hundred twenty five million. Something is radically wrong with the $300 million in projected overtime costs.t
This isn't hard to read at all. Rahm makes all the rules and we play by them. Most of this OT is VRI and VRE, which is made up man power on coppers days off. They don't want to pay it easy stop offering it otherwise STFU!!!
This is their way of keeping the City budget down X amount of money for CPD every year then go way over in OT and figure out how to pay for it later. It's called a shell game. And we're not the ones moving the shells my friend.
You need to find a better tax preparer. No one on this job is in the 33% tax bracket.
10/10/2017 10:59:00 PM
I think you’re a little confused junior. We don’t just pay federal tax. You might be forgetting that state tax and Medicare come out too. Depending on what your spouse makes, how much overtime you both work, etc. you could easily get a third of your money taken in taxes. Not everyone on this job is single and making a patrolmen’s salary with 5 years on.
Check the box on the right. Take the cash!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Come on guys, worst case 95% get away with murder best case 83% getaway with killing their fellow citizens. Pathetic performance by detective division, fire her and being in a hard nosed ball breaker. The entire CPD should be ashamed. Time for some accountability.
10/10/2017 12:06:00 PM
It has been some time since I was in the detective division, so I don't know everything that goes on these days. But, the clearance rate is very bad, very low, possibly the worst in the country of any big city. Something really needs to be done. Is it the merit detectives? The supervisors and leaders who were never detectives? The rules put on the detectives by the agreements with liberals, the court orders, the state laws passed or a combination of all of the above? Who do you blame for this and why is no one in a leadership position being called to answer for this? I do know that the political class that runs this city and this department has , in the past, used the detective division as a plum for the connected who want to work in a unit that dies not wear a uniform and possibly get a take home car. This applies to Internal Affairs, the detective division and any other specialized unit. It really is a political police department and the word " merit" has been redefined.
10/10/2017 10:40:00 PM
I agree watching the D-unit disintegrate to almost a zero "0" clearance rate reflects on the bosses who are so incompetent and have no idea how to assign jobs! The detectives themselves let me rethink that not going to bash them but as a trained observer not impressed with "time management"! If this was run as a company the bosses including all the way up the chain to eddie and his people would of been terminated long ago! When you produce no return, your not needed an overhaul is definitely needed to attempt to right this badly damaged ship!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Swat tryouts going on. Is it legit or will I waste my time? Anyone on the team can give me an honest answer? Please no sarcasm. I don't have many options on this job. I have zero clout. I am a hard worker. Great shape and was runner up for Top Gun in the academy. I just want an honest answer.
Take the test. What have you got to lose? You said you are in shape and can shoot. What if it’s legit this time and you didn’t take it. Pass the test and get on a list. Maybe you will get some clout.
Don’t be a defeatist. You will never know unless you tyry
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Swat tryouts going on. Is it legit or will I waste my time? Anyone on the team can give me an honest answer? Please no sarcasm. I don't have many options on this job. I have zero clout. I am a hard worker. Great shape and was runner up for Top Gun in the academy. I just want an honest answer.
Take the test. What have you got to lose? You said you are in shape and can shoot. What if it’s legit this time and you didn’t take it. Pass the test and get on a list. Maybe you will get some clout.
Don’t be a defeatist. You will never know unless you tyry
Don't be a defeatist? How about being a realist? It's s very unfair process. Talk to the legitimate swat officers that have been their for years. The new kids on the block are the merit promotions of swat. The sponsor and the problem......Area 4 Swat Sgt. A narcissistic asshole, who cares only for his himself.
Not worth the aggravation
Proud graduate of the second legitimate swat class. FU** U ML
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