Taxpayers Fleeing
- The Land of Lincoln is experiencing heavy losses of people and income to other states, new IRS data reveal. Illinois lost more than 86,000 people and $4.75 billion in adjusted gross income to other states from 2015-2016.
Illinois’ problem with wealth flight isn’t just persisting, it’s getting worse. That’s the takeaway from new data released by the Internal Revenue Service on Nov. 30. In terms of both people and income, the Land of Lincoln saw a record-breaking exodus in the 2015 tax year (2015-2016).
Illinois saw a net loss of nearly 42,000 tax returns to other states on the year, representing a net loss of more than 86,100 people (measured in exemptions), according to the IRS. That’s an all-time high.
Those are actual taxpayers (as opposed to tax takers) leaving. And guess which taxpayers?
- It’s not retired snowbirds who are driving the flight from Illinois. Analysis of IRS data for previous years shows how millennials are in fact leading the Illinois exodus. Further, the most recent IRS data show Illinois lost income and people on net to every neighboring state.
Millennials are where new taxpayers spawn from, meaning Illinois is losing future taxpayers as well as current ones, also known as a "death spiral."
Labels: state politics
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
145 Comments:
Is that taps I hear playing in the background?
It's losing future tax payers in other ways -- the millennials that are here,are not having children either. No need to expand the schools there Rham. 3 of my relatives have left-- my brother, sister in law, cousin, and my my brother and sister are talking about leaving.
Hey rHam... when you gonna import those 100k HUrricane refugees from PR l... illinois sure has go room
I plan on being one of them!!!! How is this working for everyone. Keep voting the same people in and there will be know one left to pay for all of this.
Well, that is the problem with socialism/communism, eventually you run out of other people's money.
Blame criminal politicians and idiot voters.
Don't worry downtown will save us! Like a stampede once it gets going it's going to be hard to stop.
I'm gone in six more years :)
The democRATS will save us. LOL. The state is going under. LOL. The best way to handle all these BS policies is to move. All the people who like the BS can stay.
My parents are from Wisconsin and Chicago. They had 3 children, the 3 of us live in Chicago or at least Cook County. We, the 3 children had 5 children, 1 is here. 1 to Florida, 1 to Texas and 2 to California? I guess they like nice weather with their crazy. Way to go Illinois! Just keep them taxpayers fleeing this place. They act like we're rich like California and have nice weather or something. When I was growing up, people didn't speak of leaving here, now, that's all you hear. We had a booming manufacturing base, lots of decent jobs and even democrats didn't tolerate CRIME by saying stop incarcerating bad people.
Retired P.O. Chester Hornowski, formerly of the 017 District and the Academy was murdered Tuesday morning in Mountain Home, Arkansas, where he retired to. A suspect has been charged in the shooting.
LOl JB Prickzer ...saying Illinois will have a public option ,free medical coverage .if he is elected Gov.... who is going to pay for it.... fat JB?
Illinois will take it in the ass, when the President Trump's tax reform is signed .. The law has No more State income tax write offs on Federal taxes .. more taxpaying folks will pick up and leave Illinois
Illinois, California ,Connecticut ,New jersey will lose a lot of taxpaying folks to other less taxing states
The milking of the cow shall continue.....until the cow is dead.....and for a bit thereafter, just in case any meager remnant of cash still remains within her rotting carcass.
After this......the vermin shall render the remains......
......whilst all who do not reside within the confines of the rapidly decaying cadaver shall rejoice.....amongst their still vibrant countryside's.........
They say suicide is painless......they lie.......
"But my property taxes are lower here than in the suburbs."
They are still ridiculous compared to Texas or another free state.
Keep raising taxes and you’ll continue to see the mass exit of tax payers fleeing this state.
Many co-workers are not just saying they are getting the hell out of chicago, they are getting out of this shit-hole state. Hey rham and madigan, can't wait to read about the area when all that's left are illegals and link card animals...
Don't worry, Boeing will never leave Chicago!
Illinois... The new Midwest Desert.
What’s up with no management moves for Sergeant’s. Are they afraid the few left in two and three will leave
Retired CPD in Oklahoma says......
I been out here for the the last four years,....heaven. Live on a dirt road, up in the Ozarks fifty acres, property tax $968 a year on a four bedroom five year old $200,000 house. Plus living with human beings again is priceless.
Only thing I can think of is why did I stay in Chicago for 58 years...well just keep voting democrat, and get those lawn signs up in Mount Greenwood.
Stay Safe
Stay Fetal
Go Home
big eat a bag of shit rahm,...you little bastard, your nothing more then a punk hanging out in the men's restroom in the subway. ..... looking for action.
What makes this situation even worse is that there is an influx of non-productive people at the same time.
Now that Illinois has been designated a Sanctuary State, many of these newcomers are not even citizens. All manner of
social programs are available with little or no vetting and even less investigation to remove even the most blatant cases of
outright fraud.
So we have productive, tax paying folks fleeing in record numbers while the politicians welcome ever increasing numbers
of societal parasites who will do nothing but increase the costs of social programs and the taxes needed to support these
programs. But the newcomers will reliably vote for the continuation of their meal ticket, even those who don't have the legal
right to vote.
Illinois is definitely screwed.
I want to leave this shit hole city and state too!
A City and State that worries more about taking care of law breaking criminals then their own city employees and their widows!
Chicago should be ashamed!
The State is better off without these malcontents.
Guess they'll have to figure a new way to tax Link card holders. Since that's all that will be left.
I love the commercial where the governors of surrounding states thank Mike Madigan for driving out Illinois business.
Death spiral? More like a death swirl.
Uh Oh! Better tax those that stay even more!
If these assholes start taxing retirement income, nobody will stay.
I plan to stay now for a variety of reasons, but if they start taxing retirement income and charge exorbitant rates for health insurance in the next contract...new plan.
I’ll stay to 60 to get the insurance free and leave ASAP. They really don’t want me here past 55.
Unfortunately there are a lot of fools in this job who keep thinking they’ll have a pension because the state constitution says so. With that said, IL is on the road to insolvency with $200+B in underfunded pension liabilities and $15B in unpaid bills. Chicago’s financial condition isn’t any better and any funds in the chicago pension system will run dry sooner or later, maybe 10 years. With that said, Chicago will not be able to rely on the state to solve its crisis. and the property tax hike won’t be enough to keep up with pension liabilities. So hopefully you’re all maxing out on deferred comp or investing some other way because regardless of what the state constitution says, you can’t get paid if there’s no money. Hell, you guys won’t even be able to recover your contributions to the pension. Now with taxpayers leaving, the problem is exacerbated.
Good article that came out earlier this year, may have been even been posted here:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-201704171833--tms--savagectnts-a20170417-20170417-column,amp.html
I can't be payin' no taxes! You gots to give me free money!
People voting with their bodies leaving. Next will be a tax on relocating out of state, got to make sure to tax them at least one more time. Thanks Madigan. Look out here comes another Madigan running city. Just imagine the carnage with one in Springfield and one at helm in city.
Ah, so, honorable SCC. Japan is in a death spiral
due to the fact that their Millennials were never born.
As they say in the Land of the Rising Sun, a bike lane
cannot attract a snowflake.
Ya think these thieving polititians will some day wake the Phuq up????....Yeah, me neither....
There's nothing left in Illinois. Manufacturing got wiped out due to NAFTA and free trade deals. And agriculture is mostly automated and people aren't needed as much. High taxes, high crime, socialist Democrats rule everything. No wonder young people are leaving!!
(OT) Godspeed to this brother in blue and his family, you never know when our mighty God will call you home remember this Job is not important the most important thing in life is your family family first last and always prayers being sent;
Bolingbrook officer, parents, brother killed in Ireland crash
http://abc7chicago.com/bolingbrook-officer-parents-brother-killed-in-ireland-crash/2741661/
May as well count me in too. Been retired for 4 years and moving to Indiana next spring when the house is ready.
I won’t miss much about this State, but had some good times on the Job.
Good luck to all of my Blue Brothers and Sisters. Stay safe and well.
Millenials are also overwhelmingly libers. So fuck off liberals. The worst part is this- they will move to a conservative state like Texas and still vote for Democrats.
NJ and Il lead the nation in people fleeing. We left for Florida and more Illinois people are moving to our area almost daily.
maybe rahm and taxwinkle can figure out how to tax fleeing former illinoisans
when is illinois going to lose another congressional seat and electoral college vote?
No Country For Old Skycaps
Thanks, SCC. I emailed that to my alderman and just about everyone else I know.
People are voting with their feet.
A clear indictment of Democrats and Democratic policies. How else can one explain it?
Call the next case. Not a cop.
The takers are staying and why not. The ones making $235,000.00 and up are staying because they can afford to stay. The bulk of the taxes come from the middle and they are the ones fleeing.
You can add two more to the numbers: husband and self located to Kenosha last month. And none of our five (adult, taxpaying) children are in Illinois.
Dick Durbin will see to it, pass the Dream act and let the migration from the border flow....
So some people aren't that stupid after all.
Join them.
Golf Tango Foxtrot Oscar
Bye, Felicia!
-Lakeview Mom
Retired P.O. Chester Hornowski, formerly of the 017 District and the Academy was murdered Tuesday morning in Mountain Home, Arkansas, where he retired to. A suspect has been charged in the shooting.
Terrible news. Chester was off his rocker but that’s why most people liked. Very sad. Details?
Just read that Havana, Cuba has no toilet paper. If JBPritz is elected the people who contribute nothing will have free health care but will have to smuggle corncobs in from Indiana along with their contraband fireworks! You need white cobs along with red ones because the white ones will let you know if you need another red one. Democrat politics!
It’s the Madigan effect.
Can someone please recommend a good place(s) to relocate?
More taxpayers will flee "come on" Eddie,putting all that manpower into say englewoods and removing from taxpaying areas and crime rises for the taxpayers! what kind of scared lazy coward exempts do we have anyway? I know all of them are a total disgrace!
Overnight carjackings reported in Logan Square, Noble Square neighborhoods
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-overnight-carjackings-reported-in-logan-square-noble-square-neighborhoods-20171206-story.html
Eddie you can clearly see,(but then again rahm has your courage if you ever had any in the jar), Eddie you need to getup,man up,and either do the job or resign with the rest of the disgraceful "i gonna rip off the pensions" club! The animals are freely roaming where they are not policed step it up,the-massive flight away from the democratic corruption continues!
What do you expect when you have elected democrats that boldly break federal immigration laws? then there is no law only a struggle to survive,the animals imitate their leaders,its a pack mentality right democratic disgraceful crew?
I'm gone in six more years :)
I'm gone in 1 day. Finishing up the last of the packing. Tomorrow we head out to Texas. Cost of living is a lot lower and, best of all, it ain't CHICAGO!
I'm a firefighter leaving in 2 years, came on the job with about 100 others on 1990 and keep in touch with many others in my class. Almost all I speak to have no intention of staying in Chicago upon retirement. It's a death spiral of pensioners. There's just no future here, and it's actually kind of sad. This was once a great city
Question? Why are there 53 large high rise projects currently under construction in downtown Chicago? Why are the city streets and highways all "jammed up" with traffic. People coming and going. I am 70yrs. old. In my observation the city and state are more crowded than ever. According to this site all the tax payers are leaving. So, all these people, don't contribute, just take resources ?
Too, Rahm cries when the "no good evil Trump" takes away federal funds for "sanctuary cities." Rahm cries when the Cheeseheads get Foxconn and hopes Amazon goes for Chicago. And they drug test cops?
When you have crud on top of crud not producing, general after generation, you have what Europe and Scandavavia are going through now. A drain!
It's about things learned in the past 8 years or so: white privilege and the redistribution of wealth. We are all so rich!
Fact is, there are haves and have-nots. I'm as white as Trump. I can't go and talk to him. Jessie is as black as the guy on Roosevelt. Won't talk to him. Lower class black.....unless there is a camera!
Social Security is paid to idiots who won't work, benefits to mothers with 10 different fathers. America says we had enough and the left brands you as haters, racists, etc.
On top, you can't watch the news, late-night TV is all leftist-political, etc.
Sorry for off-topic comments a bit.
Like the old movie line: "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" That was 3 generations ago. How far we've sunk!
NOT ILLINOIS. NOT LAW.
Mr Southside, that commercial is pure genius. Plus, it's funny as hell!!!
President The Donald does not like Mike Madigan.
JB pledges a progressive income tax in Illinois. Last one to leave Illinois turn the lights off
My daughter graduated from the expensive Catholic grade school near the old Cabrini Green. $9500 per year tuition, no discount for additional kids. Parents are all transplants from other parts of the country. And they all say the same thing. If their kids don't get a spot in Payton or Whitney Young, they're leaving the state. Work from home a couple of days a wweek and take the train in the rest. $350,000-400,000 buys a five bedroom home on two acres with and inground swimming pool in Indiana. And property taxes are a third of Chicago. Let the trolls tell that to Rahmie the commie. All that will be left are bitter blue collar workers and welfare freeloaders that hate him.
Mr. SouthSide said...
I love the commercial where the governors of surrounding states thank Mike Madigan for driving out Illinois business.
12/06/2017 05:18:00 AM
Me, too! I think it is near genius, if not genius, but it also raised a question that I would reveal, but I do not want to give it away to the enemy democRATs. I am thinking it will be answered in a subsequent follow-up commercial.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey rHam... when you gonna import those 100k HUrricane refugees from PR l... illinois sure has go room
12/06/2017 12:17:00 AM
Of course he is, already citizens, what more could he ask for?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Retired CPD in Oklahoma says......
I been out here for the the last four years,....heaven. Live on a dirt road, up in the Ozarks fifty acres, property tax $968 a year on a four bedroom five year old $200,000 house. Plus living with human beings again is priceless.
Only thing I can think of is why did I stay in Chicago for 58 years...well just keep voting democrat, and get those lawn signs up in Mount Greenwood.
Stay Safe
Stay Fetal
Go Home
Great that it’s working out for you
Not always the case. Retired CPD officer in Arkansas aged 73 just murdered last night.
ADIOS RAHM , WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN ILLINOIS , There's more people leaving Chicago everyday . Wait till you hear the final count for the end of this Year that Left , Who in there right mind is going to stay & stick around and keep paying these Taxes ???? ONLY SUCKERS
Lets sale Illinois to China, they own most of the large buildings in downtown Chicago already.
if I wasn't making a living and able to tolerate this effing rat race,
I would blow this pop stand already
if I get mugged/robbed and live afterwards or get some shitty neighbors out in norwood park, I am moving way out west, eff it
Whenever you cross the border into WI, IA, IN,KY,or MO you can feel the difference in the air. We should have to have passports to exit this shithole.Damn near $1,000/month in real estate taxes. Eat me.
al franklin a police and us military hater:
A wave of Democratic senators called for their colleague Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., to resign.
Senators Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Kamala Harris of California, Patty Murray of Washington and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin were the first to say Franken should step aside in what appeared to be a coordinated release late Wednesday morning. Franken has been accused of sexual harassment and misconduct by a series of women dating back to November.
Looks like its all been said in the comments above. You can only f--k people for so long before they decide they've had enough. Leave, and let the liberals asshole f--k themselves.
J.J.
What happens if Nationwide gos belly up, would our 401k be protected by FDIC or some other government entity?
I know so many people that have fled Illinois. It's been run by the democratic madigan machine for decades and it won't change. They are consumed with staying in power even if it hurts the state. Look at all the surrounding states and how well they're doing. Ask yourself why is that?
The Indiana Governor once said, "the best thing for the state of Indiana are Illinois politicians" That speaks volumes!
Money moving out and freeloaders moving in, what could go wrong?
Chicago, soon to be a taxpayers dessert.
Born in Chicago and raised in the 'burbs - been here over 50 years and married to a city girl. We're both sad to see it come to this, but there is a better quality of life available outside this state. So, we're border bound in the not-to-distant future... following other family members and friends who've blazed the trail in the past couple of years.
It's not any one thing (though property taxes are at the top of the list) but rather a combination of lots of negatives that have finally begun to outweigh the benefits.
Mr. Southside (and others)
Excellent!
I love that one too!
So how does Illinois respond to adjacent states attracting economic development through our local tv and media?
It fancies itself an ideal tourist location...
here is their genius commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmbZ9hJsXIM
not a joke. it's real.
I’m a “millennial ” that is getting out immediately after graduation. Already accepted a job offer in one of the states listed in the article.
This must be one of the rare times where being a statistic in Illinois is a good thing.
Lived in Crook county all my life and not planning to continue spiraling down another generation.
It’s thanks to blogs like this that your eyes get opened to reality.
Did anyone see this? Hero cop sacked in Orlando.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hero-cop-of-orlandos-pulse-shooting-is-terminated-from-force/ar-BBGhH2a?li=BBnbfcL
Gone in 5 years!!
FUCK you Rahm!!
Retired P.O. Chester Hornowski, formerly of the 017 District and the Academy was murdered Tuesday morning in Mountain Home, Arkansas, where he retired to. A suspect has been charged in the shooting.
Terrible news. Chester was off his rocker but that’s why most people liked. Very sad. Details?
12/06/2017 08:13:00 AM
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According to the Baxter County sheriff's office, deputies were dispatched to a home in the 5000 block of Old Military Road in Mountain Home after a caller reported a shooting there shortly before 8:30 a.m.
A few minutes after deputies and an Arkansas State Police trooper arrived, a 2004 Ford pickup drove around the residence and began accelerating toward a deputy who was standing in the yard, a news release stated. TWO DEPUTIES FIRED AT THE PICKUP, which hit a ditch and went airborne, eventually hitting a sheriff's office vehicle, authorities said.
Inside the home, deputies found Chester Raymond Hornowski dead, with gunshot wounds to the hands, chest and face.
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The good old boys can STILL shoot at bad guys down there!
God Bless them !!!
where is a good place to retired in Indiana?
Rahm will take away your free insurance in retirement, just like Streets & San. The Illinois Supreme Court set precedent.
Eventually Chicago will be like NYC in the 1970s. Good... I love the movie Warriors
Retired P.O. Chester Hornowski, formerly of the 017 District and the Academy was murdered Tuesday morning in Mountain Home, Arkansas, where he retired to. A suspect has been charged in the shooting.
12/06/2017 12:58:00 AM
Hornowski was missing a few screws, Im going to guess his act didn't go over too well down there.
nonymous said...
Retired P.O. Chester Hornowski, formerly of the 017 District and the Academy was murdered Tuesday morning in Mountain Home, Arkansas, where he retired to. A suspect has been charged in the shooting.
12/06/2017 12:58:00 AM
Hornowski was missing a few screws, Im going to guess his act didn't go over too well down there.
12/06/2017 02:33:00 PM
No motive given, I hope it wasn't a Deliverance movie thing.
Thanks Madigan and The Machine!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
where is a good place to retired in Indiana?
12/06/2017 02:19:00 PM
Gary.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happens if Nationwide gos belly up, would our 401k be protected by FDIC or some other government entity?
12/06/2017 12:26:00 PM
Great point, at least someone is thinking who is on the job. Thought the same thing a couple of years back, took all of the money's out and put it into my wives IRA in Fidelity. Played with the market and made out good. Don't take a change, Nationwide is connected to the city.
Anonymous said...
maybe rahm and taxwinkle can figure out how to tax fleeing former illinoisans
12/06/2017 07:22:00 AM
Some nasty shit-talk keeps popping up about "all" the retired
Policemen and Firemen who are fleeing Chicago and Illinois
and taking their pensions and "treasure" with them.
"Oh? So it was good enough for you guys to stay while
you were working but now you want to liquidate, flee
and take the money WE paid you out of the revenue
stream? Eff you turncoats for not staying and
kicking back some of what we taxpayers allowed
you to accumulate..."
Seriously...
These people have lost their m/fing minds.
There IS legislative pressure to enact punitive
counter-measures against retired "Public Servants"
who flee with their treasure.
They want to tax pensions and they want to tax
those who flee Chicago and Illinois as a punishment.
You play by the rules and devote half or more of your
adult life to these ungrateful wretches and they
shit-talk you for exercising good common sense
and leaving THEM to work out terms of surrender
with the Free Shit Army.
And these fools jaw-jacking about all the construction
cranes bobbing up & down in the Downtown area?
It's all orchestrated eye-wash courtesy of Rahm to lure in the
the cyber-money and service economy middle-managers and up...
The next implosion is going to be more ruinous
than the last one.
Mostly little guys got wrecked in the last one.
The next one?
Downtown will be like Downtown Johannesburg...
Office towers with smoke from squatters fires
wafting out of busted windows.
Meanwhile, shit at ground level is going to be ugly.
In 2015, a community policing initiative — one credited with helping curb violence in some of L.A.’s toughest housing projects — scored the Los Angeles Police Department high-level praise. A captain and a sergeant who led the program were invited to Washington, D.C., earning coveted seats near the first lady during President Obama’s State of the Union address. This year, L.A. officials applied for more than $3 million in federal funding to help bring the same program to Harvard Park, a South L.A. neighborhood scarred by violence. The request was denied. The U.S. Department of Justice hasn’t offered the LAPD an explanation of why the department didn’t receive any of the $98 million in grants recently ...
hey if the doj does that to cpd maybe all the dollies that work in caps office in the 019 might have to now work the streets
Edison park
Question? Why are there 53 large high rise projects currently under construction in downtown Chicago? Why are the city streets and highways all "jammed up" with traffic. People coming and going. I am 70yrs. old. In my observation the city and state are more crowded than ever. According to this site all the tax payers are leaving. So, all these people, don't contribute, just take resources ?
12/06/2017 10:28:00 AM
Ok, grandpa liberal. This "site" isn't making the claim. Dozens of national statistics are making the claim. Obviously your scared, but wishing something isn't true won't correct the problem.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Rahm will take away your free insurance in retirement, just like Streets & San. The Illinois Supreme Court set precedent.
What was that precedent? Last time the Illinois Supreme Court ruled on that issue was in 2014 and they ruled in favor of the state employees regarding their retiree health insurance. They stated the state constitution guarantees it
Feels good to say that my wife and I have begun the the liquidation process to leave this state. It is plain and simple, this place is bankrupt and there is nothing on the horizon that addresses future solvency. I cannot in good faith trust that our investments and hard work will be looked after by local politicians whether locally or at the state level. The sheer greed and dysfunction across the political spectrum is mind boggling. It is no longer “our” state as the politicians have cravenly sucked every last drop of blood from the “body” creating a shriveled and withered corpse.
For those stuck here, shelter in place for the coming conflagration and do not rely upon the promises of the pension.
OT- So there was a shooting in 007 and the female detective that showed up gets all bent out of shape because the sergeant told the paper car to go into 007 to do the report because the Area said the detectives were going to the hospital first. This female det gets on the scene and starts yellling and screaming at the officers that were on the crime scene. The Sgt comes back on the scene after having to respond to another job and gives it to the female detective about her yelling at the officers. The poor female detective calls her Lt who then calls the 007th district Lt to find out why the detective got yelled at. Really??? What are we in grade school now?? Someone’s feelings got hurt so she has to cry about it?? No wonder we are in the state we are in.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happens if Nationwide gos belly up, would our 401k be protected by FDIC or some other government entity?
12/06/2017 12:26:00 PM
If it were insured by FDIC it would only be insured for the maximum $250,000
said...
Whenever you cross the border into WI, IA, IN,KY,or MO you can feel the difference in the air. We should have to have passports to exit this shithole.Damn near $1,000/month in real estate taxes. Eat me.
You must have one hellava house if u r paying $1,000 a month in real estate taxes. Not too many places in Chicago pay $12,000 a year real estate taxes
Millenials are also overwhelmingly libers. So fuck off liberals. The worst part is this- they will move to a conservative state like Texas and still vote for Democrats.
12/06/2017 07:14:00 AM
Absolutely right. The real concern is that all these a-hole liberals with zero self respect and no integrity will start infiltrating the conservative areas just to take advantage of low taxes, crime, etc. The problem is that their lib mentality will come along too.
Did anyone see this? Hero cop sacked in Orlando.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hero-cop-of-orlandos-pulse-shooting-is-terminated-from-force/ar-BBGhH2a?li=BBnbfcL
-- This should be an outrage to every officer, everywhere. The department OWES this man the resources to put his life back together and be whole again. This is a typical money saving ploy by the low life scum municipal official pigs who get fat every day off the tax payer trough. They figure they can cut this man off just before he's vested so they can save a few more bucks for themselves. They will throw money hand over fist for all kinds of free programs and subsidies to buy votes from the welfare junkies, but as soon as this officer is in trouble they cut him off and basically say "thank you for your service. now go fuck off and die somewhere since you are no use to us anymore." Rahm and CPD management wouldn't lose one second of sleep doing this to any officer here.
Rahm will take away your free insurance in retirement, just like Streets & San. The Illinois Supreme Court set precedent.
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Since you were never promised free insurance for life in any meaningful way, it can't be taken away. An off the cuff statement by a politician is not a meaningful promise since he would not have the power to appropriate funds to pay for it.
I've been in IL over 50 yrs, born in Chicago, lived on the North side, then moved to the 'burbs when the bangers moved in... 7 generations of family in Illinois. When you get right down to it - the weather's not that bad. Good water source...
But the ever-increasing tax load (property, sales, soda, bags, restaurants), surcharges, regulations, fees, etc. all take their toll (pun intended). Crime goes up, free loaders complain more and nothing is done - freeloaders are coddled at the expense of law-abiding citizens (and the Police that protect us from them).
Stir in a healthy dose of insane liberals that are just EXHAUSTING to talk or listen to, and I've had enough. I run a business, but my clients are in Illinois. So I'm looking to work for someone else - in another State far from this place.
Selling the house, packing up the stuff, moving on out... Get the same size house for 25% less, and pay property taxes on it that are $10K less per year which means that in 10 years, I have at least another $100K in the bank for MY retirement.
It's truly a shame, the ugliness and destruction wrought by all things Democrat...
I left cpd after making 5 years, there is something better out there.
You might feel stuck but you can get out it's possible.
I have heard that there is a bill pending in Illinois that will effectively be an "exit tax"
that will be levied on Illinois residents changing residency and moving to another state.
Essentially it will tax the value of IRA's etc balances funded by money earned while a resident in Illinois.
Is this even possible?
Montana here I come!
Question? Why are there 53 large high rise projects currently under construction in downtown Chicago? Why are the city streets and highways all "jammed up" with traffic. People coming and going. I am 70yrs. old. In my observation the city and state are more crowded than ever. According to this site all the tax payers are leaving. So, all these people, don't contribute, just take resources ?
12/06/2017 10:28:00 AM
1. Yes, you may ask a question. Why, ask several, whilst you visit.
2. Ponzi comes to mind. Birds do it, bees do it, even well connected bankers do it.......with a kickback chaser......
3. You answered this one yourself.....people, coming, then going. Not staying.
4. All of which "these people"? Are they the these people you observe.....coming and going?
Are they the these people, you observe, who are crowding this city, (you are aware this city is Chicago, located within the boundaries of the County of Crooks, said county being situated at the south western tip of a rather large, and thus, Great Lake, are you not?), even though crowding seems a trifle erroneous as an assessment.
Are they the these people who experience crowding within their domicile, and, upon exiting same, gaze across vast wastelands of empty lots, where once, long, long ago, (you may remember....), there stood an abundance of solid, brick/stone residences?
Might the these people you observe be a large percentage of receivers of funds, (sans any noticeable efforts to earn/work for it), harvested via taxations, plus a smaller percentage of businesses, employing those who earn their daily bread, plus an ample percentage of sanctuary seekers, whose participation in the employee pool tends to strongly decrease wages, plus a miniscule percentage of hustlers, hucksters and hi-jinksters, (think politicians + minions + any connivers who can hook their way into the game), plus a noticible percentage of not yet aware of the realities of human nature, plus, you provide something more than your observations made whilst wearing your reading glasses.......
Hornowski was missing a few screws, Im going to guess his act didn't go over too well down there.
12/06/2017 02:33:00 PM
Karnac the Magnificent speaks.......wait......you're no Karnac.....
Chester H murdered? I really don't care how crazy you thought he was, he was one of us. For a lot of us, he was an intro, as recruits(~95 classes)to doubt everything. Rip Sir.
If I wasn't making a living and able to tolerate this effing rat race,
I would blow this pop stand already
if I get mugged/robbed and live afterwards or get some shitty neighbors out in norwood park, I am moving way out west, eff it
12/06/2017 11:59:00 AM
So.....you love not one and not one loves thee.
Thus, the only reason to be eludes thee.
Pleasures come and soon they go
Pain arrives and with it woe
Days pass by and nights the same
Wasted whilst you play the game
Peel the onion as you choose
Life sans love - when done, you lose.
Urban undocumented and refugee population is on the rise.
Shortage in the multi-unit housing sector has AlderThieves inundated with bid proposals and zoning changes on properties that were former factories, vacant lots and eminent domain takeovers to enhance their colonization efforts.
OT:Congress passed a bill to allow anyone with a concealed carry from any state to cross state lines. So finally I can tell people from out of state you can carry with no problems. Thank you President Trump.
al franklin a police and us military hater:
A wave of Democratic senators called for their colleague Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., to resign.
Senators Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Kamala Harris of California, Patty Murray of Washington and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin were the first to say Franken should step aside in what appeared to be a coordinated release late Wednesday morning. Franken has been accused of sexual harassment and misconduct by a series of women dating back to November.
12/06/2017 12:12:00 PM
Also, Illinois very own Senators Turdin and Suckworth. I love it when they feed on their own!
Eventually Chicago will be like NYC in the 1970s. Good... I love the movie Warriors
Woohoo. Can't wait for porno theatres to come back.
What happens if Nationwide gos belly up, would our 401k be protected by FDIC or some other government entity?
Yes, it's protected. But if you are in Chicago blended fixed options say goodbye to your money. This is considered our safe haven but it's really the most dangerous option for your money. You are purchasing insurance contracts with a 50/50 split between Hartford and nationwide. Read the fine print, if one of them goes bust u lose 50 percent of money, if both bust, u lose 100 percent. Research how Hartford avoided bankruptcy in 2008. It's a shame we don't have a safe haven to put our money like 99 percent of retirement plans do.
Anyone know if crazy Kim of Mass Trans is getting made Merit Sgt from Cindy Shame?
All is well remain calm. LMFAO
The only reason I am still in this screwed up state is that my father is too old to survive a move elsewhere. But, I already own a nice piece of property in a nearby state, and when I can move, I will move there.
I worked in a number of Illinois local governments in administration, and also worked for a state university. So, I am very well aware that this hapless state is spiraling into the fiscal abyss.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Retired P.O. Chester Hornowski, formerly of the 017 District and the Academy was murdered Tuesday morning in Mountain Home, Arkansas, where he retired to. A suspect has been charged in the shooting.
12/06/2017 12:58:00 AM
Hornowski was missing a few screws, Im going to guess his act didn't go over too well down there.
12/06/2017 02:33:00 PM
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Have a look at the guy that murdered him, he doesn't look too well wired himself. https://www.baxtercountysheriff.com/press_view.php?id=1848
I BLEW this state OFF 18 yrs. ago when I retired best move I ever made.
In two years I will be joining the flock and taking my State Pension with me!
The Illinois Supreme Court ruled against the city retirees, police and fire included, LAST WEEK! Attorney Clint Krislov, single out FOP for helping finance the lawsuit, and tje firefighters union for NOT helping.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happens if Nationwide gos belly up, would our 401k be protected by FDIC or some other government entity?
Yes, it's protected. But if you are in Chicago blended fixed options say goodbye to your money. This is considered our safe haven but it's really the most dangerous option for your money. You are purchasing insurance contracts with a 50/50 split between Hartford and nationwide. Read the fine print, if one of them goes bust u lose 50 percent of money, if both bust, u lose 100 percent. Research how Hartford avoided bankruptcy in 2008. It's a shame we don't have a safe haven to put our money like 99 percent of retirement plans do.
12/06/2017 06:19:00 PM
You are one dumb person! Stop with your BS. It's still Nationwide and having it in fixed does not put your money at more risk. Wow!
The @$$ h0/£ politicians cause all this mess. The people of this state did as they were told now it's just time to leave this $h!t hO/£.
:p
OT- So there was a shooting in 007 and the female detective that showed up gets all bent out of shape because the sergeant told the paper car to go into 007 to do the report because the Area said the detectives were going to the hospital first. This female det gets on the scene and starts yellling and screaming at the officers that were on the crime scene. The Sgt comes back on the scene after having to respond to another job and gives it to the female detective about her yelling at the officers. The poor female detective calls her Lt who then calls the 007th district Lt to find out why the detective got yelled at. Really??? What are we in grade school now?? Someone’s feelings got hurt so she has to cry about it?? No wonder we are in the state we are in.
12/06/2017 03:32:00 PM
The nonsense you described goes on all the time in CPD. It is a sick organization and has been quite ill for many, many years. And, most times, the ignorant fucks that believe you wronged them will never say a word to you, but will try to fuck you at every turn about some stupid shit you do not even remember. That is fucked up, but it is the code of conduct at CPD.
OT:Congress passed a bill to allow anyone with a concealed carry from any state to cross state lines. So finally I can tell people from out of state you can carry with no problems. Thank you President Trump.
12/06/2017 05:31:00 PM
Slow down Quick Draw Magraw only passed the senate a--holes will more than likely not even take it up. Keep hoping I am.
Problem is a lot of these fleeing millenials are brainwashed leftists who take their stupid ideas to whatever red state they move to.
Yes, it's protected. But if you are in Chicago blended fixed options say goodbye to your money. This is considered our safe haven but it's really the most dangerous option for your money. You are purchasing insurance contracts with a 50/50 split between Hartford and nationwide. Read the fine print, if one of them goes bust u lose 50 percent of money, if both bust, u lose 100 percent. Research how Hartford avoided bankruptcy in 2008. It's a shame we don't have a safe haven to put our money like 99 percent of retirement plans do.
It’s only protected by the FDIC limit of $250,000. That’s the FDIC limit
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT- So there was a shooting in 007 and the female detective that showed up gets all bent out of shape because the sergeant told the paper car to go into 007 to do the report because the Area said the detectives were going to the hospital first. This female det gets on the scene and starts yellling and screaming at the officers that were on the crime scene. The Sgt comes back on the scene after having to respond to another job and gives it to the female detective about her yelling at the officers. The poor female detective calls her Lt who then calls the 007th district Lt to find out why the detective got yelled at. Really??? What are we in grade school now?? Someone’s feelings got hurt so she has to cry about it?? No wonder we are in the state we are in.
12/06/2017 03:32:00 PM
So she had a big mouth when she was doing the yelling, but a crybaby when she got yelled at
Should never got to the sgt. The po’s should have told her to screw herself.
Happens everyday in units and districts. Started about when the early 80’s
hey if the doj does that to cpd maybe all the dollies that work in caps office in the 019 might have to now work the streets
Will never happens. Just the opposite, they just bring in more chairs
Hey SCC: Feel free to post this as a new blog entry
Last night, 2 Sheriff's Policemen were injured (one seriously) on I90 while conducting a traffic stop.
The seriously injured PO (unconscious at the scene and partially entrapped)was transported to LGH. He will be OK, was was really banged up.
So I called radio to make sure that the notified one of the CCSPD Department Chaplins Father Sullivan or Rabbi Wolfe. Radio tell me that both were let go abd that we have no Chaplins to come out.
WTF? A major Police Department without a Chaplin? Dart actually let Rabbi Wolfe go? Are you freaking kidding me?? One of the kindest and most decent men that I have ever met in 12 years OTJ. He came to our graduation, conducted funerals for some of our Jewish Patrolmen like Bruce Loeb. A decent gentile man he is. Same goes for Fr. Sullivan. I enjoyed taking mass at St. Father Thomas More before I moved out of the city.
This guy Dart has to go. What a wretched rat SOB he is. He lets people get laid off right before christmas, yet all of his double and triple dipping pols keep their jobs. He has some Russian BILLIONAIRE as a D/C of Police driving around in his Hummer with SWAT plates.
If you guys want him as your Mayor be my guest. I would take Acevedo as Sheriff over this clown! Just disgusted!
3:37 PM " You must have one helluva house if you're paying $1000. a month "
NOPE !! Got the tiniest house on the block...getting very close to $1000. per month.
The bigger houses on 37 or 50 foot lots , even if they're old places pay well over that....and the new million and a half or two million dollar places are paying 33- 35- even 37 THOUSAND a year. I have no idea what these people do to have money like that to throw away....but ,they're here ALL OVER THE NORTHSIDE. That's just in the area say maybe 800 north to 7200 north from the lake to maybe Western... big houses, condo developments, etc, have replaced older places and the tax for the new place is four or five or more times what that land was previously bringing in...AND IT"S BEEN GOING ON for 20-30 years... RE taxes in reality should have gone down with all the increased revenue but 30- 40 years of criminal politicians and generations of non- working, non- paying, gimme-gimme voters have taken the excess and demanded more. Do y'know who they get it from ?/// Maybe someone with time on their hands and a calculator could figure out just how big an area around Wrigley Field it would take to fund all pensions if the taxes went directly into those funds...and have something left for retiree healthcare, TOO.
05:31pm on Dec6 - You are 50% correct, still has to pass the Senate. Hopefully, it will. Then watch midget madigan try to change IL law to exclude out of state CCW and the circus will resume. When will the midget retire and leave us alone?
Retired .38 spl +P
Since you were never promised free insurance for life in any meaningful way, it can't be taken away. An off the cuff statement by a politician is not a meaningful promise since he would not have the power to appropriate funds to pay for it.
12/06/2017 04:25:00 PM
Being the "politicians advocate" requires a not so unique set of qualities......which can be succinctly summed up in one fundamental principle:
When you have no desire to be good, do your best at being good at being bad.
You must have one hellava house if u r paying $1,000 a month in real estate taxes. Not too many places in Chicago pay $12,000 a year real estate taxes
12/06/2017 03:37:00 PM
A political hog raises it snout from the trough, belches out it's declarations, "don"'t bother me, I'm gorging!!!!", emitting a coarse spray of spittle, bile and meagerly chewed swag, then, after pausing to cut a wet fart, returns it's mug to the swill slurping..........
(Sound effects and fitting mood music to be dubbed in during post....)
Meanwhile, shit at ground level is going to be ugly.
12/06/2017 02:55:00 PM
The wandering minstrel wove his way throughout the maze of threads which, having been woven over decades by miscreant mischiefs, were as helter skelter as one would expect them to be.
Having reached a vantage point both sweeping and secure, he paused, pulled his instrument from his backpack, and pondered on the fitting tune which beckoned to be played.
A series of sad and melancholy harmonies were soon strummed and sent wafting over all within his view.
No words need be spoken or sung, for, what words could do justice to the mood induced by the vista of vexations he viewed from his vantage, though the phrase, "Oh what fools these mortals be....", did flash swiftly in his mind........
I'll be lucky to sell my home for what I bought it for 15 years ago. Some investment.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happens if Nationwide gos belly up, would our 401k be protected by FDIC or some other government entity?
12/06/2017 12:26:00 PM
Great point, at least someone is thinking who is on the job. Thought the same thing a couple of years back, took all of the money's out and put it into my wives IRA in Fidelity. Played with the market and made out good. Don't take a change, Nationwide is connected to the city.
12/06/2017 02:54:00 PM
No...No you didn't.
1 1/2 to go and we are fleeing as well. Why stay?
Who is John Galt?
OT:Congress passed a bill to allow anyone with a concealed carry from any state to cross state lines. So finally I can tell people from out of state you can carry with no problems. Thank you President Trump.
12/06/2017 05:31:00 PM
Slow down Quick Draw Magraw only passed the senate a--holes will more than likely not even take it up. Keep hoping I am.
Passing that law may not be the best thing. Look for democrats like Pelosi and Schumer to attach some anti-gun law to it. One of the bills would revoke your gun rights for minor infractions, such as unpaid parking tickets.
From someone who has received 20 year old parking tickets from city.
O said...
3:37 PM " You must have one helluva house if you're paying $1000. a month "
NOPE !! Got the tiniest house on the block...getting very close to $1000. per month.
The bigger houses on 37 or 50 foot lots , even if they're old places pay well over that....and the new million and a half or two million dollar places are paying 33- 35- even 37 THOUSAND a year. I have no idea what these people do to have money like that to throw away....but ,they're here ALL OVER THE NORTHSIDE. That's just in the area say maybe 800 north to 7200 north from the lake to maybe Western... big houses, condo developments, etc, have replaced older places and the tax for the new place is four or five or more times what that land was previously bringing in...AND IT"S BEEN GOING ON for 20-30 years... RE taxes in reality should have gone down with all the increased revenue but 30- 40 years of criminal politicians and generations of non- working, non- paying, gimme-gimme voters have taken the excess and demanded more. Do y'know who they get it from ?/// Maybe someone with time on their hands and a calculator could figure out just how big an area around Wrigley Field it would take to fund all pensions if the taxes went directly into those funds...and have something left for retiree healthcare, TOO.
Wow, didn’t realize they are that high. NW side a lot cheaper than that
Most people don’t realize Chicago board of education (CPS) takes 53% of your real estate taxes. That’s were the problem is. Dwindling enrollments, half empty schools, but their tax levy gets raised every year by the max allowed. Forgot to mention students aren’t improving
Ronnie Howard sings---
Gary Indiana Gary Indiana Gary Indiana Gary Indiana Gary Indiana Gary Indiana Gary Indiana Gary Indiana Gary Indiana...my home town.
The nonsense you described goes on all the time in CPD. It is a sick organization and has been quite ill for many, many years. And, most times, the ignorant fucks that believe you wronged them will never say a word to you, but will try to fuck you at every turn about some stupid shit you do not even remember. That is fucked up, but it is the code of conduct at CPD.
12/06/2017 10:19:00 PM
The reason this happens is because there are too many people who got their spots as scholarships and not because they learned the job, put the time in, got the needed experience and EARNED the job.
When daddy gets you your spot, or auntie makes a phone call to the alderman to slide you into some hidden office, they are undermining the CPD. They don't give a damn about the department's purpose or our obligation to the citizens; they care only that their fragile baby girl or well-manicured son is taken care of.
Those 'taken care of' CPD employees (I won't call them police) don't know the realities of policing and they behave badly when called upon to act in a police capacity. They are incompetent, ill-behaved and equivalent to spoiled children.
Every boss who 'brings in' a friend's kid or a relative's side-chick or an alderman's flunky is participating in undermining and demolishing this department. The whole system is decayed and corrupt.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happens if Nationwide goes belly up, would our 401k be protected by FDIC or some other government entity?
12/06/2017 12:26:00 PM
If it were insured by FDIC it would only be insured for the maximum $250,000
12/06/2017 03:34:00 PM
A joint account, however, is insured at $500,000.
All investments involve a level of risk..you may lose some or all of your money invested. The only way to remove your money from Nationwide is to terminate your employment. Sad but true!
said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happens if Nationwide goes belly up, would our 401k be protected by FDIC or some other government entity?
12/06/2017 12:26:00 PM
If it were insured by FDIC it would only be insured for the maximum $250,000
12/06/2017 03:34:00 PM
A joint account, however, is insured at $500,000.
A joint account has nothing to do with deferred and Nationwide. You can’t have a joint deferred comp account. It’s an individual. You have a beneficiary, but not a joint account. Put thanks anyway for the information that doesn’t apply.
Deferred is a just a different version of the original IRA. which stands for INDIVIDUAL retirement account
Little fanfare was made on this, but the Governor signed the Illinois Sanctuary State law. Not much more to say.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/28/illinois-republican-governor-signs-sanctuary-state-law/
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
The State is better off without these malcontents.
12/06/2017 04:30:00 AM"
Spoken like a true Progtard.
You just hang in there and enjoy your Blue Heaven.
The citizen are escaping from slavery. The government is enforcing illegal laws, rather laws that have been declared unconstitutional, criminals go free or with a warning and everyone is relocating. Its about time somebody recognized this fact, no people, no money collected and bankruptcy is next. Or write more tickets says Rahm, the tiny dancer.
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