Bridgeport Shooting
- A Chicago police officer shot a man armed with a large meat cleaver Tuesday morning, while responding to a domestic disturbance in the Bridgeport neighborhood.
Shortly before noon, Deering District officers responded to a 911 call about a domestic disturbance involving a man armed with a knife at a home near 28th and Throop, Deputy Chief Kevin Ryan said.
When police arrived, the woman who had called 911 helped the officers get inside the home, and told them where she thought the man was. When the officers went to the second floor, they found a man armed with a cleaver in one of the bedrooms, and he appeared to be cutting himself, Ryan said.
The officers told the man several times to drop the knife, and when he didn’t, the officers used Tasers in an effort to prevent him from harming himself any further, according to Ryan. The Tasers appeared to have minimal effect, and when the man came out of the room, one of the officers shot him in the leg.
We can't remember - is a meat cleaver a "deadly weapon" under the COPA Use of Force?
In any event, the officers went home safe, which is all that matters in the end. Good job.
In any event, the officers went home safe, which is all that matters in the end. Good job.
Labels: shooting
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
57 Comments:
Meh... the poleece should not had went to the call... or if they had arrived a few minutes later the man would not been conscious from bleeding out. This call was not even serious cause he has mental problems and can't find a job.
I believe that is what COPA is going to say. In the mean time strip the cops to their bare asses...
Ouch!
Yet again another failed taser deployment. These new tasers have less than a 50% success rate of incapacitating a bad guy , they’re complete garbage compared to the original X26. A lot has to do with the cartridges. Just know if you choose to deploy one you have less than a 50% chance it will actually work properly
Superb management. Leg shot.
Guy was gonna plead out mental and the officers
denied him a torso shot.
Jackson's grandmother cadre will have to stay home
and watch Oprah.
"We can't remember - is a meat cleaver a "deadly weapon" under the COPA Use of Force?"
Ha! None of this scenario matters to the bosses, COPA and the rest except did you turn your body cam on in a timely fashion? Did you tell everyone they were being recorded? We're you carrying a taser? Did you de-escalate? and on and on...
His baseball bat was hung over the mantle
He's gonna need those 30 days.
Not many cops get to testify against a cleaver.
Since COPA and Rahm say a baseball bat in the hands of an advancing attacker isn’t a deadly weapon we’ll have to see how they feel about a meat cleaver.
Good job officer. Enjoy the 30 days away from the insanity.
From all indications a perfectly justified use of force.
Let’s hope Rahm doesn’t tell Ed to use his “more questions than answers” line.
"Shot him in the leg". I can just hear all these nitwits in the public saying "good job". I guess they have never heard of the femoral artery. We aren't trained to shoot people in the leg.
Shooting in the leg wil become expected of us. Good work by the copper regardless
He was aiming center mass, missed by a few inches so now what? Wait for COPA to decide your fate. Doesn't matter if you intended to shoot him in the leg you shot him, why? , why, why? Nope not good enough.
Sounds to me like the responding officers used their “cutting edge training” to get the job done!
Glad everyone went home safely......
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Shot him in the leg". I can just hear all these nitwits in the public saying "good job". I guess they have never heard of the femoral artery. We aren't trained to shoot people in the leg.
3/14/2018 03:26:00 AM
"Shot him in the leg". That PO is lucky that guy didn't kill him. Or anyone else.
Yeah,who needs marksmanship training?
But the headlines will read
Man shot by police while preparing loin chops!
3/14/2018 12:45:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yet again another failed taser deployment. These new tasers have less than a 50% success rate of incapacitating a bad guy , they’re complete garbage compared to the original X26. A lot has to do with the cartridges. Just know if you choose to deploy one you have less than a 50% chance it will actually work properly
May be it has something to do with drug influence, not taser failure.
I got hit by one of those during the training and it hurt like hell, the longest 5 second of my life. Have you ever tried it?
Is a meat cleaner a deadly weapon? Ask a chicken.
We aren't trained to shoot at all.
30 rounds a year during qualification is not training.
The leg shot was most likely a low miss.
This is not related to Bridgeport. Just a little reminder of the low-crime city of Chicago....
Navy Medics Get Prepared for Combat—With Tour of Duty in Chicago
https://www.wsj.com/articles/navy-medics-get-prepared-for-combatwith-tour-of-duty-in-chicago-1521028800
"About 30% of patients at Stroger Hospital, on Chicago’s near West Side, are admitted to the trauma ward with wounds from firearms, compared with a national average of 4.2% for level 1 trauma centers"
It's safer in the "VILLE".
Thank you Officers of the 9th and Glad you are safe.
How come tazers don't work in these situations?
I can see it coming. Large meat cleavers are now leg shots only. Bats will be ? What do you think COPA?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yet again another failed taser deployment. These new tasers have less than a 50% success rate of incapacitating a bad guy , they’re complete garbage compared to the original X26. A lot has to do with the cartridges. Just know if you choose to deploy one you have less than a 50% chance it will actually work properly
3/14/2018 01:55:00 AM
So all the people yelling that when jvd shot the thug high on drugs laquan, if the taser was there and it had zero affect on the thug and thug still had the knife (a deadly weapon) he could of killed a police officer! Or if he would of "just walked away" the thug would of killed some innocent in that area! This just proves the tasers we have are obviously junk, or is it that a high on drugs pos would not be affected by the mild shock? hmm interesting study, we all know our equipment is not maintained, from vehicles that constantly break down, to buildings that are cancer clusters,to newer buildings that are built so shoddy that they literally start to fall down as the hvac equipment rapidly fails?
Maybe (I gunna run 4 mayor) lightfoot is right! Why waste 95 million on a place that will be falling down, the peoples/folks don't want it, lets try building something up to code, and how about that huge empty parcel 44th and Cicero where the leclaire projects used to be? that would be perfect,easy access to expressways,airports and the revitalization is needed and people there respect the police unlike the areas lori lightfoot adamantly describes that dont like police! Don't be concerned the aldermen can still get the payoffs from the construction companies the "Chicago way" back door cash filled manila envelopes, if you build it here the people and businesses will come!
Can we just stop with the taser already? The less than lethal answer!!! Not even a 50% chance of working and when they do work, people end up dying! Oh i almost forgot, they kick back to the politicians and employ former superintendents.
Police shoot man making sandwich
The new use of force policy says distance and shielding. (run away in the face of a threat)
At the zoo a little girl had gotten to close to the bars and the lion grabbed her and was trying to eat her through the bars. An off duty Officer struck the lion in the nose several times saving the girl. Chicago newspaper headline.
Off duty Police Officer attacks African immigrant and steals his lunch. Lt S.
To the guy bashing the Taser. I was an instructor for 11 years. I used mine successfully many times over those years and had good results most of the time. Why? Because I used it properly and had good hits, leading to good incapacitation. The Taser isn't perfect but I got tired of listening to guys I trained whining about it not working. Then later learning they either missed with a probe or took a shot at a guy running from 20 feet away. Not having been on the scene of the event in the post neither of us can say why the Taser failed but don't try to blanket-blame it.
Yet again another failed taser deployment. These new tasers have less than a 50% success rate of incapacitating a bad guy , they’re complete garbage compared to the original X26. A lot has to do with the cartridges. Just know if you choose to deploy one you have less than a 50% chance it will actually work properly
new order outlawed use of taser under pretty much ALL situations. If you Tas him and he falls on the meat clever you're in trouble you CANNOT WIN
Since COPA and Rahm say a baseball bat in the hands of an advancing attacker isn’t a deadly weapon we’ll have to see how they feel about a meat cleaver.
Threatening a PO with a baseball bat justifies use of deadly force EVERYWHERE IN THE USA except here. So whose is the one that is messedup Answer Crooked County, Shitcago democrats
And to think he could have been turning his life around and been the next "Top Chef" to make it out of this savage run city...
Why don't these Tasers work?
A knife:
Elgin police chief addresses protesters after fatal shooting of woman
https://www.google.com/amp/wgntv.com/2018/03/13/elgin-police-chief-addresses-protesters-after-fatal-shooting-of-woman/amp/
Let’s see what a real leader says
Excerpts :
The police chief addressed the protesters.
“The idea that some people have that I will never be able to change is that if you come at me with a knife, that I need to wrestle it away from you or I need to let you stab me in the chest because I wear a bullet proof vest. That’s not how the real world works. You come at a police officer with a knife, you’re probably getting shot," the chief said.
Now that’s a real leader Eddie you and laughable command staff take a lesson, think about this if you would of manned up with the McDonald lie the city would of saved millions your mayor would not be caught in bullshit the coppers would be respectful of you now look at yourself and your so called staff! Why not start a band “the pandering bunch!” And as a bonus that lieutenant cheating scandal would of been more tolerable!
"The Tasers appeared to have minimal effect"
Tasers: Making goofs feel better about themselves at the expense of law enforcement officers' lives.
We can't remember - is a meat cleaver a "deadly weapon" under the COPA Use of Force?
I called COPA and asked this and they said "only if your a sausage".
COPA is gonna say he was only a threat to himself. Damned if you damne, damned if you don't.
Speaking of a shooting why the hell was the Elgin Police Chief even bothering with trying to convince the community that shooting someone that fled a traffic stop armed with a knife was the correct decision. Stop wasting your breath.
So the kids all across this country are marching against meat cleavers too, one would hope.
Aside, I was always under the impression teachers couldn't use their teaching time to do political work/lobbying on public time. So all the walk-out today?
The kids just want a day away. That's it, pure and simple.
Glad the officers are ok.
NOT ILLINOIS. NOT LAW.
Folks calling for the police to settle their kin and the police still come.
Maniacs of Sanctuary are out of control as Rahm sleeps.
Hope this fares well for the members.
The COPRAH rewrote not only the GO but also the ILCS interpretations.
Switchblade, dagger, stiletto, dirk possession and use are a stretch nowadays.
Heck, they don’t even think firearms are probable cause for DF.
It also highly depends on whom possesses such weapons and what resulted during the police interaction.
Just axe Elgin - a feral Cook County jurisdiction.
The COPRAh Guide Book:
Various forms of household cutlery on the face, are non-violent implements, including the Handy Housewife Helper® (Can it core a apple?).
These task oriented tools are intended by design, to be used by and inside the household of the possessor.
If this cleaver was intended to cut, chop or dice and the object of contact with the blade was that of muscular tissue, then it’s s’all good for the cleaverteer to freely whack and defend his domain.
The scope of The COPRAh is wide and arcane.
Case Closed, take your 30 & Pending.
Bookings at Bourb St. are open thru June.
3/14 1152am Your "real leader" logic is flawed. The chief of Elgin is saying what he is politically allowed to say. Considering Elgin is smaller population wise then some of the busy districts you are comparing apples to oranges. If the chief of Elgin was the superintendent here he'd be keeping those thoughts in his journal, on the blog or to his family and friends. It has nothing to do with cowardice. It's called paying your bills. And if they're asking for more than you can handle out of the job it would be behoove you to consider other options than taking it. You'll see his "real leadership" as you define it when his opinion is at odds with the mayor and board, not when what he says doesn't upset them.
I'm sensing a lot of user error with these tasers. They are not perfect but like any other piece of equipment you have to use it correctly.
He was a future contestant of the Show " Chopped". And now he's been Chopped before his debut.
7:33AM......
Sensible people don’t allow CPD trainer clowns to tase them.
Will you let them light you up with a Glock so you can testify what it’s like?
I can’t wait to leave this shit show.
2 more long, fucking years to 55.
Slightly OT:
Officer savagely beaten in 017 yesterday by a 16 year old, 350lb. enraged wildabeast. Thresholds client. FYI......Arena wants to load 5150 Northwest Hwy up with Thresholds clients.
Anonymous said...
Police shoot man making sandwich
3/14/2018 11:10:00 AM
Thanks for the laugh
Tasers are only 48 percent effective. Why taser some one when they are only a danger to themselves. If a offender is chopping
At his arm so what time and distance.
The police chief addressed the protesters.
“The idea that some people have that I will never be able to change is that if you come at me with a knife, that I need to wrestle it away from you or I need to let you stab me in the chest because I wear a bullet proof vest. That’s not how the real world works. You come at a police officer with a knife, you’re probably getting shot," the chief said.
Now that’s a real leader Eddie you and laughable command staff take a lesson, think about this if you would of manned up with the McDonald lie the city would of saved millions your mayor would not be caught in bullshit the coppers would be respectful of you now look at yourself and your so called staff! Why not start a band “the pandering bunch!” And as a bonus that lieutenant cheating scandal would of been more tolerable!
3/14/2018 11:52:00 AM
Well said sir. Well said.
I once saw 3 of the old tasers fail on a guy. He was drunk but not drugs in his system. Eventually we ran out of tasers/SGT's.
The taser instructor for 11 years.........yeah that is just embarrassing you hide out.
Shoot to Kill, that's right, if you are going to shoot your weapon at someone, you're going to shoot to kill and stop the motherfucker. Play with this anyway you want, like saying to yourself, "I'm shooting to stop him/her," give me a break, if you fire your weapon at someone you are trying to kill the asshole.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The police chief addressed the protesters.
“The idea that some people have that I will never be able to change is that if you come at me with a knife, that I need to wrestle it away from you or I need to let you stab me in the chest because I wear a bullet proof vest. That’s not how the real world works. You come at a police officer with a knife, you’re probably getting shot," the chief said.
Now that’s a real leader Eddie you and laughable command staff take a lesson, think about this if you would of manned up with the McDonald lie the city would of saved millions your mayor would not be caught in bullshit the coppers would be respectful of you now look at yourself and your so called staff! Why not start a band “the pandering bunch!” And as a bonus that lieutenant cheating scandal would of been more tolerable!
3/14/2018 11:52:00 AM
Well said sir. Well said.
3/15/2018 03:02:00 AM
That man stood up, looked at the so called paid protestors (they are all paid either politically or paid by us via snap and welfare), and he told the truth! He took the honest route and averted many problems for the coppers under his command and the town,plus the taxpayers are happy no pandering,and no payouts! Could you imagine what it would be like working for a man such as this, knowing he has your back and will stand up? the crime rate would drop, the coppers would be proud to work in that town unlike what happens here! Unless in chiraq we get a complete house cleaning from city hall, to 5th floor on Michigan ave, we will stay in fetal mode and protect each other! Blue lights on for Blue shirts otherwise we will obey the traffic laws and write the paper!! Oh and advise warrant!
If the offender was determined or the PO missed the leg, it would be a different story we would be reading. Do not let these thug hugging liberals make you second guess yourselves at such a critical time. Remember, I can kill you with a knife before you can get your gun out of your holster at 21 feet. Use distance, time, and obstructions to keep separated but ultimately if they are running at you, your best chance for survival is getting as many rounds on target until the threat is over. How many of you practice drawing from the holster and firing live rounds at a target moving at you? How many of you practice with your firearm at all? The department certainly will not give you the training that this department desperately needs, they will just blame you when things go wrong. They will happily bury you before they spend money to train you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Slightly OT:
Officer savagely beaten in 017 yesterday by a 16 year old, 350lb. enraged wildabeast. Thresholds client. FYI......Arena wants to load 5150 Northwest Hwy up with Thresholds clients.
Where did this happen? Never saw anything about the incident. Should be out there so public is aware of these incidents and what P.O. goes through on a Dailey basis
If a offender is chopping
At his arm so what time and distance.
3/15/2018 01:17:00 AM
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Police shoot man making sandwich
3/14/2018 11:10:00 AM
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Dispatch: 911....What you want?
Caller: My Boo Boo be gone craaaaazeeeeee!!!!!
Dispatch: Say what again?
Caller: Boo Boo!!!! He be hackin' his self again!!!!!
Dispatch: Yes, ma'am.............................
Caller: ................................................
Dispatch: Hello????
Caller: (click)
Dispatch Sup: Sooooooo.....what was that?
Dispatch: A desperate plea for help echoing into an abyss of emptiness?
Dispatch Sup: Code it out.
As soon as the Officers saw he had a meat cleaver, they should have turned around and left. If asked why they were leaving, they could say they needed an opinion from COPA and the ACLU if a meat cleaner is considered a deadly weapon.
J.J.
.......if you fire your weapon at someone you are trying to kill the asshole.
3/15/2018 09:07:00 AM
And, thusly, the commonly feared reality is succinctly stated.
Paul Newman in "Hombre":
"We all die, it's just a question of when."
Saw this when 14, always remembered what it meant.
Led to many questions, the most valuable one, of many, was:
Okay.....so what will I choose to do until that when is now?
Ponder.
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