Forced to be FTO?
Is there an actual order or AdMin Fax Message about this?
- Message is out. Each watch, each district, is to "nominate" at least 3 officers for the act-up FTO.
Put another way, at least 3 officers are about to get strongarmed into the job.
If the city is allowed to do this, then they will have no reason to make any Permanent FTO's from this point on.
So the unwilling are going to be "nominated" to train the unknowing to do the impossible for the ungrateful?
Should be a wonderful experiment for everyone.
Should be a wonderful experiment for everyone.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
137 Comments:
Sounds like the weekend is off to a fast start?
Three dead before sunrise on Saturday?
Lol: wait for the person to say “ where is the FOP at” lol, that person will post it in a matter of minutes
This city is just unfucking.... There are no words.
Well, shit. Maybe this is how I'll meet my next ex wife.
How will they nominate? reverse seniority I hope. I will finally have a chance to teach these recruits how to please our bosses.
-Hairgel Extraordinaire
Contract?
What does it say about involuntary servitude?
They’ll go to those few “nice guys/gals” on the watch and beg them to do the boss a favor, and you know that they’ll get it covered.
I propose a new order. Must have at least 10 years on the job. Be an FTO in a south side district for 3 years on midnights and become mandatory meritorious Sgt. It's a battlefield promotion. Everyone wins.
Who thinks of this?
America
Pissed Off FTO: Go sit in the car and Ill be there when Ill be there.
PPO:ok
Pissed off FTO: There are things as stupid questions, don't ask them.
PpO:ok
This has "jackpot" written all over it.
It's all kinds of ugly too...
HQ's payback for Coppers getting wise
and not generating any of that "bad"
quota based, civil rights violating
activity the bossholes are crying for .
They got black ink in their pens too, so
why does the peed-on peon in Patrol assume
the disproportionate peril?
So the unwilling are going to be "nominated" to train the unknowing to do the impossible for the ungrateful?
SCC, only you can write a sentence that can be this entertaining and funny but yet very, very,very true at the same time. Hat tip to you Sir for your work.
Officers need to decline the temporary "promotion." Tell city you do not feel qualified to handle this and that you will not fill out any paperwork related to the training.
It will be by reverse seniority
What has happened to this great Police Department? It’s not the troops, but the rotten upper echelon that must heed every wish of these insane politicians. It seems that the job is nothing like it used to be not so long ago. I loved the job, but I now know I am lucky to have retired. I truly couldn’t do it anymore. God bless the troops and God bless Paulie Bauer. It’s just so heartbreaking. Thanks
I’ll do it as long as you guarantee to make me a sergeant.
They force you to do the training to make you eligible for acting up. They can't force you to actually act up. There's a declination form you sign to opt out of acting up. Basically, if they send someone for the 2-3 weeks of training, but that person has no intention of ever acting up as an FTO, they've wasted the training on the wrong person, lost that manpower for 2-3 weeks, and have no gain in people able to train the PPOs. In short, it's an idiotic plan meant to trick people into acting up by not realizing they can just decline to act up. This post shows that it worked, nectar nobody actually read the AMFN message.
When I started 15 years ago they just put us with people on the watch. Then when I got off probation they split up me and my partner occasionally to give us ppo’s. We never volunteered. They just did it. So I don’t know why they don’t just put the recruits with other people on the watch. Doesn’t seem to be a big deal to me.
So the unwilling are going to be "nominated" to train the unknowing to do the impossible for the ungrateful?
Reminded me of this ole classic for some reason: Enchanted, enraptured.... embalmed.
There was a form that needs to be filled out, stating that the officer Voluntarily consents to working with PPO's. Guess that's a moot point now.
I'm guessing a lot of officers who have management watch bids are about to be voluntold as Temp FTO.
This is nothing new. I was “volunteered” by the captain to be an acting FTO 14 years ago. I didn’t think it was a huge deal. I made a little extra coin with less than 3 years on.
Reminds me of the final days of the Third Reich
when Hitler ordered boys and young teenagers
to defend Berlin in vain
What had happen was.....
No quality control, no supervision, no uniformity.
What could go wrong?
Baseball season coming up. Announcers will show
night shots of the city. The American people have no
idea of the shit show in organization and operations
lurking in the background. America on the decline.
Chicago burns to the ground while Rahm plays his
violin and the Cubbies are called upon to provide
bread & circuses.
OT, sorry...but, instead of the grassroots alliance for police accountability, don't you think it should be the litter-and crime scene tape vacant lot alliance???
The white shirts are pretty much begging officers to be FTOs for an extra 45 min a day on the books.
"So the unwilling are going to be "nominated" to train the unknowing to do the impossible for the ungrateful?"
Seems like the perfect combination, if you give it some thought.
Who better to cover all the bases on reality than one who detests being compelled to do so?
And who better to inspire the counter active effect so needed by those unknowing know it alls who need to know they don't know.
Better the reluctant then the fervent for these toxic days.
This is gonna be good......so really bad that the goodness will be delectable......
So new guy here is how you go fetal. Follow all traffic rules, drive slow answer calls fill out reports, ignore suspicious behavior. Don't chase, don't Gaze, don't shoot in short just don't. There job done what's so hard about that.
I would think the FOP should at least make a statement about this. Really bad idea.
If these "nominations" from within the districts/watches are collected by anything other then reverse seniority it's an extremely winnable grievance. It's funny, the department didn't want to offer more incentives or money because they "didn't want people signing up for the wrong reasons," yet here they are now with a situation where NO ONE (aside from low seniority officers seeking another district) is applying. Too bad for the department. Increase the money and incentives and maybe ill apply. Probably not, though
I’ve already been mentoring the recruits my district gets. In fact, we had an awesome chalk talk last night about Strategic Voting in the upcoming primary.
Great bunch , quick learners this past year.
Because of me, they are well versed in risk management, Deffered comp, real estate, pension law, tuition reimbursement, insurance, local and national politics and culture. And oh yeah, did I mention risk management?
Proud to serve, Rahm. Have Kidney Beans tack the raise onto my check.
Union? Don't you guys have a union? Wheres your Union? WTF!
What will FOP do nothing just what the city wants fuck fop retired police !
So if volunteered will they get sent to training to know what the FTO's duties are including being able to articulate if their recruit is unprepared for the job?
Raise your hand to volunteer. Don't everybody jump up at once.
New position will be known as FFTO (forced field training officer). I like it!!
Hey jackass has 100 dead congrats shitcago a real liberal shithole city.
Where is the FOP on this?
I respectfully decline the partys nomination to be an acting FTO. I don't have the time nor Energy to perform these THANKLESS TASKS.
I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing and I say nothing. it will be a great shift.
If picjed to be a FTO. Do I get the additional pay? If not where is my FOP rep?
Well I know what I would do if I were to be nominated against my will. Wouldn’t do shit. This is one position that you, cannot force someone to be in.
Reverse seniority or I'm grieving it!
OT: Hey 017, did retired Comm. Bobby L get beaten with an extension cord by his wife after she caught him fucking around last night?
Too bad for the management people on the watch!
This police dept. and city really SUCKS!
Da Pelon
So if the recruit really screws-up; can the FTO be held accountable? There have been more than a few cases, where academy instructors have been made to testify under oath as to what an individual police officer was trained to do, and if that training was consistent with what he/she actually did, which resulted in the litigation. In addition, what is the basis for the "selection" in this Popularity Contest? As I have stated before on this blog, being an FTO is one of the most Dangerous and Complex job in the whole Department. You are working with a Civilian back-up, who has received more training from T.V. than the Academy. Oh, and since he is part of the "Change", he may want to "betray" you or your actions. Or, make FTO a career position and give FTO's points on promotional exams, and you will develop and encourage the development of a cadre of Motivated and Trained Instructors. Give FTO's training opportunities usually reserved for the clouted, or attractive females. For once in over a hundred years: Make this Job Legit! Baby "G"
Oh the shame of it. Some will be forced to work, no more collecting paycheck for fetal policing. Unless you will be teaching the recruits to be fetal. Will be interesting to watch how well this works. Bet they pick those with clout so that clout can be passed to another generation of undeserved officers. Chicago Values don't skip generations nor does the Chicago Way.
“So the unwilling are going to be "nominated" to train the unknowing to do the impossible for the ungrateful?”
Best statement yet!
Take the keys, take the pay increase and teach the PPO how to do the bare minimum. Have the last laugh.
Reverse señority lmfao
(OT) rahm screws CPD retired as he gives illegals free identification cards for free things and to vote for him yet feds are doing nothing:
From: Clint Krislov
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 3:39 PM
Subject: Retiree Update-Settlement Negotiations-Confidential Attorney Client Communications
Dear Retirees,
As you expected, the matter did not settle today, and likelihood seems slim.
The short description is that unless the city steps up with a contribution, it’s unlikely that we’ll get anywhere. We are to report back to Judge Cohen on April 19 at 10 a.m.
I think there is certainty under the law and decisions, that the Funds will have to pay up their subsidies from 1/1/2017 to the present and going forward. We don’t need a settlement to get to that result. Our well-published position is that the Funds have two obligations: 1) to provide a plan for all of their annuitants, and 2) to subsidize it at the $55/$21 or $25 monthly amount.
As to the funds, their public statements are that they have no obligation other than to process withholding and subsidies. I don’t think that we can settle with the Funds without a permanent obligation to provide a plan for all of you, at least for those of you who were hired by mid-2003. Based on the appellate court’s ruling that the protected class is anyone hired before the execution or effective date (7/31/2003) of the 2003 settlement, there will probably be some tension over whether the term “execution” means April 3, 2003 when it was first signed, or July 31, 2003, the date of its execution, meaning the date it went into effect. I know this only affects a small number of you, but it is something that will need to be decided.
The big question is whether the City will contribute to retiree healthcare costs beyond the subsidy. Our position on this is that there has to be a contribution by the city; maybe either make everyone medicare qualified or equivalent, or pay a minimum percentage of the person’s healthcare costs. We’ll keep you posted.
I know that some of you would waive a portion of your COLA in exchange for the city’s either making you medicare covered or equivalent, or in exchange for a portion of your healthcare costs, and that there are others who would not waive any portion of your COLA under any conditions, at all.
We haven’t agreed to anything yet, and we won’t agree to a settlement that just gives you the subsidy. If there’s going to be a settlement, the city will have to contribute to the costs of coverage, or there simply won’t be a settlement. And any waivers will be at each individual’s decision.
Regards,
Clint Krislov
Krislov & Associates, Ltd.
Civic Opera Building
20 North Wacker Drive, Suite 1300
Chicago, IL 60606
Telephone: 312-606-0500
Facsimile: 312-739-1098
Email: clint@krislovlaw.com
Website: www.krislovlaw.com
Push ppos through.
Pick me I will retire fuck you !
I love when I spot a troll...a lot of people read this blog and certain trolls want to make cops look lazy...there is one phrase in this a real cpd officer would never use....can you find it???
3/17/2018 10:51:00 AM
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Oh really? What would that be? I find the post to be reflective of most of the cops I serve with and myself. I’m not lazy, I’m just not retarded. Have fun when your stellar aggbat, UUW arrests and other part 1 felony arrests that will result in you being called down to IAD, COPA and the Dirksen building. You sound too dumb for your own good. Let me guess, 3-5 YOJ and you’re doing the job the “right way,” whereas those that came before you did it wrong? Impress me with your war stories next. You’re like the first guy OTJ to come in with part-1 arrests. Save your bullshit for a group that gives a fuck. You ARE the troll.
Ok so first you have some serious anger issues. I like how I said I don’t want to be labeled lazy and you take that as me being a a moron who is running and gunning looking for the one bagger. Actually I just handle my beat, clear from my calls in a timely manner, cut paper and if something jumps in my backseat and it’s all legit I’ll take it in,. I’m not out there looking for it. I actually have three hash marks on my left sleeve and I have never made any ‘quality collars’ as the post I referred to stated. And if you have ever made and quality collars I’m sorry but you are not nor have you ever been a 9161. Sorry to trigger you, I think I hear your mom yelling that your internet time is almost up...
Simple solution. Evaluate each recruit honestly and fairly. NOBODY wants that. A few decades ago, I had a conversation with an FTO. He, big strong man was terrified to grade his unacceptable recruit.
I guess he was right, the recruit later became a commander.
Yes there is finally a BOP out about it but the Supe came down to an exempt training Thursday the week before last and berated the commanders blaming THEM for putting multiple PPo's with a single FTO saying "I don't know when you all came up with this idea but it's the dumbest Ice I've ever heard of" he then told them to have 3 names per watch and not to include "the guy nobody wants to work with" and do not send a negative report or the Commander will find them self doing the job of the FTO.
So who will they pick, the most fetal or least fetal? Will be interesting.
A good ole fashioned goat rope. Fun for all.
I'd believe it. TD 9.5 has been chipping away at the FOP contract for years very little by very little. First thing he did was civilianize the bid lockup keepers spot. I forgot, what was it that we gave up years and years ago to get that bid spot? Then he refuse to pay Officers that worked out of grade as Desk Sgts and got away with it. Then he leaves the retirees out in the cold with no medical insurance. Now he will force Officers to work out of grade doing something they don't want to do. What will it be next? Yet nobody cares until THEIR spot is threatened. This Department is lost as are the rights and protections of the Officers. Sad!
The only way for this to work
is they "volunteer " the management
people. "You don't want FTO, then your
off management and going to the shift
You don't want."
New AdminFax image to reinforce the imperative . . .
I am laughing at you.
Your second to last sentence is spot on...Churchillian. Bravo SCC!
Start PPOMSF...run it out of an area. Detail voluntold fto’s from the districts for 90 days. Put a good boss and a few sgts in charge who understand training and can make it tolerable for officers detailed out. Send them all to shitty fast districts and make them available for radio jobs. Use them for protests and other details. Give them a humper. Pay the extra fto $ for training while detailed. Give all ppo’s molle vest covers.
Why don't the training officers get a better handle on the PPO's?? They are constantly calling for assistance for nonsense. You can't handle a piss bum or a drunk, you arn't going to be good police. I got real police work to do and don't appreciate "babysitting".
Work with recruits fresh out of The Academy That Never Fails Anybody. Gosh that sounds like fun. Then as an FTO you fail them and viola, a few years later they are SGT.'s and you'll have to work for them. Then a few years and they are LT.'s.
And on and on the wheel spins....
We should have a vote for "favorite merit promotee of the year". How about it SCC?
I'd rather volunteer to work in R&D at a Dildo Factory. Same thing except they get a 1hr lunch and free KY.
volunteer or be volunteered. yikes.
Anonymous said...
This is nothing new. I was “volunteered” by the captain to be an acting FTO 14 years ago. I didn’t think it was a huge deal. I made a little extra coin with less than 3 years on.
3/18/2018 02:10:00 AM
14 years ago was a different world with real leaders and public support of the police. Not worth it in today's climate.
I'm preparing right now for all the reasons I will not except the FTO job. I've been kicking idea's around like, I do not articulate well orally and on paper. I do not agree with most of new policies of the Department and will not except responsibility to train personnel who have IR's. I got three more to go, and I'm not taking any promotional exams, so I don't give a fuck about how I'm rated in efficiency. Just imagine, one of these recruits does sometime stupid, the FTO goes down with the goof. To much to risk at this stage in the game. Oh, I almost forgot, FUCK YOU tiny dancer..........
I called FOP i think it was marty who said it is not implemented yet. Once it is implemented and not voluntary then it is a grievance. I also recall Graham advising us not to volunteer for anything, which i don't.
I guess the nooz forgot to report this Obama brainstorm.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/how_federal_funding_kept_nikolas_cruz_from_getting_arrested_and_unable_to_purchase_firearms.html
Email came out to 'most' FTOs from commanders. Something along the lines of, if you were FTO I would like to nominate you for meritorious Sgt if you took sgt test.
Active well regarded FTO in good standing for 8 years = field promotion to Sgt. Why not?
What's wrong with people taking the fro job for exTra pay. The city and camel ridding commander all taught the pay or coin. Use the laws of supply and demand to your advantage.
Teach them they only have to answer their calls
How come nobody is ever forced into a 2nd Watch House Mouse position?
Imagine having to sit around telling war stories from a cubicle, making and drinking house mouse coffee all day.
I remember 15 yrs ago or so there was an Academy FTO trainer saying that the FTO position was going to be a stepping stone to Sergeant. Chief JM had some ideas of the Patrol Specialist or Corporal rank floated to make the FTO a worthy title. A bit too costly for Crooked ShortShanks, who put the kibosh on that expense, even ceased Det promoting in the early parts of 2000.
Newcomers wanting to know just how long has this FTO debacle going on now...25-30 years, depending on who you ask.
The FTO no matter stands to lose with some of the ideas already ingrained in the head of some of the new age PPO.
If you find yourself stuck with the forced task...Go by The Book.
They could put the recruits with the bootlicks who to this day are still "unofficially"assigned to the retarded ex-mayor, Lil Richie
CPD has continued to repeatedly shoot theirselves in the foot with the FTO program for at least the last 32 years.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results.
SCC said ...
"So the unwilling are going to be "nominated" to train the unknowing to do the impossible for the ungrateful?"
They have done so much for so long with so little that they are now qualified to do anything with nothing.
01:42am. I started back in 94’. It wasn’t a big deal then and it isn’t now. Just now you’re getting paid for it. Move along.
How will they nominate? reverse seniority I hope. I will finally have a chance to teach these recruits how to please our bosses.
-Hairgel Extraordinaire
If your a “hair gel”, you must be bald. Hairgels are in their forties by now.
Wanted to wash my cruiser today @ the car wash J & J 349 W 31st St, was told not today buddy, City hasn’t paid there bills. What a joke!
Man wanted in connection with CTA batteries released from jail.
Fun times for female CTA riders - NOT!
Who cares, they’ll learn the job from the plethora of three to four year wonders on saturation. They’ll teach them that they no better and nothing will happen to them because sarge has their backs if they’re the real police and bring in bullshit TVB’s and ISR’s. That’s not police work and what dumbass crashes a good squad car to a dead shithead, really! You should be fired!
i want d2a pay and then i will do it force me to do it ok then i will do it then i hit the medical for a year at d2 pay remember what don bazini said in the movie " the godfather part I "
"surely don vito corleone can present a bill for his services and surely he can be compensated besides we are not communist"
You stupid fucks are looking at this glass as half empty when its half full. What an EXCELLENT opportunity to fuck this dept up by trying this GRAND EXPERIMENT! How bout failing each and every recruit or better yet teaching the recruit NOTHING! Coppers truly have no idea as to the impact they can have using just a little imagination. They can teach these white shirted asshole bosses how ignorant policies can backfire and bite them in the ass.
allison s. clout was ivan rittenberg go figure another a-hole
003 district midnights will be lining up for these faux fto spots. 2 and 3 year wonder, suburban kids who think they’re the greatest thing to hit the policing world in ages.
Union? Don't you guys have a union? Wheres your Union? WTF!
Hey, relax Norma Rae. We never had a union - only a useless collective bargaining unit. They haggle for our benefits, and do a miserable job. I actually think we would be better off with a group of Moroccan bizarre merchants representing us - now those guys know how to drive a hard bargain!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Active well regarded FTO in good standing for 8 years = field promotion to Sgt. Why not?
3/18/2018 01:03:00 PM
Sounds like just another back door merit way to be a Sgt. And by the way, how does being a FTO qualify anyone to be promoted to Sgt? It doesn't.
Anonymous said...
I'd rather volunteer to work in R&D at a Dildo Factory. Same thing except they get a 1hr lunch and free KY.
3/18/2018 11:29:00 AM
Boy talk about taking one for the team, real pooper trooper if you ask me...
3/18/2018 09:04:00 AM
Do you really think any judges will find in our favor here? Unless we get a change of venue we will get nothing judges here are beholden to the elected who gave them this Cush job by slating them simple as that! Another reason to not vote rahm or democrats at all!
Anonymous said...
How will they nominate? reverse seniority I hope. I will finally have a chance to teach these recruits how to please our bosses.
-Hairgel Extraordinaire
If your a “hair gel”, you must be bald. Hairgels are in their forties by now.
3/18/2018 03:58:00 PM
I don’t know about the original poster but I’m in my mid forties and still have all my hair and it’s not even grey. What are these new kids called now anyway? Snowflakes?
"Volun-TOLD"
The hairgelians are now the hairline created! This is nothing new...I had a PPO dropped in my lap as a salty veteran of three years. This was the norm in 011 and 015 .. 20-25 years ago. According to my sources.those “ vets” on the west side were smart and battle tested back then
Cmon get em on the street so they stop holding us hostage.
Where is FOP, useless!!!!!!!
I remember in the mid to late 1960's being a FTO was an honor and a sought out assignment. Of course it began to end in the mid 1980's. It is amazing what a generation or two of corrupt mayors can do to the professional fabric of the police department. The inability to lead the city rather than share power with corrupt and self serving community groups has really ruined the quality of city service.
Anonymous said...
I’ll do it as long as you guarantee to make me a sergeant.
I hear that sister/brother...i tell you ever since i was in the academy I wanted to wear a white shirt and it wasnt for power or because I thought I was a good leader its because for one the money and two because I dont want to get picked on. They treat the blue shirts like trash here especially in the summer, luckily ive been in spots most of my career because im lucky but my heart bleeds to my bros and sisters who cant get a Wednesday night off! I swear when you wear that white shirt your first job is to take care of your people first period! thats lost on this job.
FTO's are required to complete ALL training before receiving the position. This recently has included the dreaded CIT training. So if you're given the position via reverse seniority, they will now be training you on perhaps the most dreaded and complicated of all calls -- the mental disturbance. You may only be acting FTO for three months (the order requires this), but you'll always have the training.
It seems like this could be a very sneaky way of adding more CIT officers to watches.
Officers just off of their P.P.O. status are working with P.P.O.'s. It probably happens all over but it's a recipe for disaster. One barely trained and inexperienced officer is guiding an untrained officer with zero experience. I guess it doesn't matter since most FTO's can't correctly complete an AIRA report by themselves. Who would expect them to proofread anything that they are ignorant of?
I have a better idea. Have the Sergeants train the recruits. Teach them the paperwork let them see the supervisor side and what’s expected so I they will understand what the other side has to deal with. They can be at more scenes and be involved in all the major incidents even if as an observer. Give the Sgt a pay bump while adding training a PPO to his daily responsibilities. I’ve been a street Sgt for well over a decade. As I wait for my number to get called, I would gladly accept the extra Lt’s. Pay. I would also enjoy a driver. Nice break. I guarantee you the PPOs would get real training and would be able to handle paper when they move on. This isn’t in anyway meant to insult any POs or FTOs. The reality is it’s a Sgt’s job to be onscene and involved in everything in his area with of assignment. The other important things of the job can be taught by Officers after their cycles. I look forward to my pay increase on increase by 16 April. (this also should be voluntary)
(OT) Man shot after 5 armed people approached him on Near North Side
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/man-shot-after-5-armed-people-approached-him-on-near-north-side/
Right near Gold Coast wow the description is? Crickets again! All 5 armed with what a gun?knife?bat?fists?perfume?
Hey now googleme any news?
Alright people who ever wishes to volunteer take one step forward. (The old timers will know what to do next)
The Department will NEVER make the FTO spot a stepping stone to Sgt. That would cut down on the mayortorious promotions.
Took the FTO spot back in the mid 1980s. Different department and climate then. The Department gave vague hints about FTOs being given consideration when promotions game around. But nothing definite.Nothing written down and no meaningful names attached to it or behind it.
Don't know of one single person that benefitted promotionally from the FTO program.
Remember:
#1: They are only as good as their word.
#2: If it ain't written down, it doesn't exist.
“I do not articulate well orally “
Please explain that one a bit more
Why not have the officers who are assigned to the police academy step up to the plate and do a 90 day detail as an FTO?
I heard ppo’s don’t do power test no more in the academy because it’s too stressful!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We should have a vote for "favorite merit promotee of the year". How about it SCC?
3/18/2018 11:28:00 AM
At this point, Sgt EC 3rd Watch 003, former foot guy in 012 would be a runaway winner. He’s already had his own post here and his antics are noted regularly in comments by those of us unlucky enough to have to deal with him.
Obviously the only people who think F.T.O.’s should be given extra points on a promotional exam or given a meritorious promotion after a certain amount of time as an FTO are the people who couldn’t make it by score. And these people should be supervisors??? Study your ass off like the rest of us who made it by score did.
Could soon be a case of the blind leading the blind, or in the case of police detectives the clueless leading the clueless.
So here is the script for forced FTO. "Do as I say mot as I do, because I'm fetal". Be sure to instruct trainee to wake you when shift is over.
Submit a report that you are acting as an FTO under duress and not voluntarily. Indicate that you do not feel qualified for the position because the dept has given you zero training on teaching and mentoring recruits. Also indicate that they have given you inadequate training on the new dept policies, procedures and rules, enough so that you do not feel qualified teaching them to anyone as you do not fully comprehend them yourself. Then indicate that you have little or no tactical training since your own time in the academy. Wait until legal affairs and corp counsel see a shitload of those.
“I do not articulate well orally “
Please explain that one a bit more
3/19/2018 12:40:00 AM
Please do not.
"You stupid fucks are looking at this glass as half empty when its half full. What an EXCELLENT opportunity to fuck this dept up by trying this GRAND EXPERIMENT! How bout failing each and every recruit or better yet teaching the recruit NOTHING! Coppers truly have no idea as to the impact they can have using just a little imagination. They can teach these white shirted asshole bosses how ignorant policies can backfire and bite them in the ass"
After reading this I'm glad I am not a new recruit. And I am also glad I'm not this copper, not the kind of guy I want to be.
It seems like there ought to be some way to make being an FTO desirable enough to get people willing to do it. Maybe make a successful stint as FTO a prerequisite to any promotion or special unit assignment.
At this point, Sgt EC 3rd Watch 003, former foot guy in 012 would be a runaway winner. He’s already had his own post here and his antics are noted regularly in comments by those of us unlucky enough to have to deal with him.
3/19/2018 01:53:00 AM
Sgt EC been telling people he has been asked by another CMDR TO please come to the district so he can whip the PO's in shape to start producing #'s. This MERIT SGT is a goof who actually believes being the 012 FOOT SOILDER FOR ALDERMAN deserves a MERIT spot. Totally unbelievable!!!
Anonymous said...
Obviously the only people who think F.T.O.’s should be given extra points on a promotional exam or given a meritorious promotion after a certain amount of time as an FTO are the people who couldn’t make it by score. And these people should be supervisors??? Study your ass off like the rest of us who made it by score did.
3/19/2018 02:45:00 AM
Sure you made it by score....SURE.
I have a better idea. Have the Sergeants train the recruits. Teach them the paperwork let them see the supervisor side and what’s expected so I they will understand what the other side has to deal with. They can be at more scenes and be involved in all the major incidents even if as an observer. Give the Sgt a pay bump while adding training a PPO to his daily responsibilities. I’ve been a street Sgt for well over a decade. As I wait for my number to get called, I would gladly accept the extra Lt’s. Pay. I would also enjoy a driver. Nice break. I guarantee you the PPOs would get real training and would be able to handle paper when they move on. This isn’t in anyway meant to insult any POs or FTOs. The reality is it’s a Sgt’s job to be onscene and involved in everything in his area with of assignment. The other important things of the job can be taught by Officers after their cycles. I look forward to my pay increase on increase by 16 April. (this also should be voluntary)
3/18/2018 10:05:00 PM
I'll give you extra pay if you stop being a handjob. You can't be much of a sergeant if you actually think like this. Sounds like you just want extra money. You could save money by canceling your internet service. Then we all win!
Why don’t they just put the PPO in the back seat of two working coppers? Let him observe and when appropriate ask questions.
FTO's are required to complete ALL training before receiving the position. This recently has included the dreaded CIT training. So if you're given the position via reverse seniority, they will now be training you on perhaps the most dreaded and complicated of all calls -- the mental disturbance. You may only be acting FTO for three months (the order requires this), but you'll always have the training.
It seems like this could be a very sneaky way of adding more CIT officers to watches.
3/18/2018 08:36:00 PM
The reality of it is that you'll be handling calls with mentals with or without CIT training. Why not get the training and be better prepared? Why is having more people trained to deal with what could potentially be one of the most dangerous calls a bad thing? Sounds like you're just afraid to have to deal with a mental disturbance. You're probably using the fact that you haven't been trained so you can duck mental calls. You probably should've kept quiet. Then other people would get the training and be able to handle your scary jobs for you.
O.K., lets get this straight for once and fall all. The CHGO police examinations are rigged, plain and simple. a large 30% are merit, ( given the job ) not based on any discernible reason or qualification. another 30% cheat on the exams. these chosen large are given a law enforcement supervisor positions because, they are relatives of bosses or politicians, they are bosses lovers/girlfriends, they are people of color to fill affirmative action quotas but have strong political connections to get around the old shakeman decree to fool the feds and still satisfy the black brown and white aldercreatures who may complain they ain't getting there share of the publics money. finally folks being givin/cheating for these spots means you owe that person and when that person calls in a favor or two , you the merit boss given the job and unsecure in your own abilities to have really earned that spot have to pay back that favor owed and thus folks that is why we have so so many CPD scandals, most that are covered up as favors owed. If the public only really knew the truth
I hear that sister/brother...i tell you ever since i was in the academy I wanted to wear a white shirt and it wasnt for power or because I thought I was a good leader its because for one the money and two because I dont want to get picked on. They treat the blue shirts like trash here especially in the summer, luckily ive been in spots most of my career because im lucky but my heart bleeds to my bros and sisters who cant get a Wednesday night off! I swear when you wear that white shirt your first job is to take care of your people first period! thats lost on this job.
3/18/2018 08:12:00 PM
You want a white shirt for the money and to avoid being picked on, but everyone else with a white shirt should just worry about taking care of their people? Glad you're still in a blue shirt, and I hope you stay there. You have the wrong mentality to be a good supervisor. There's no chance you'll look out for anyone but yourself with that attitude. Why do I get the feeling your "spots" have nothing to do with luck and a lot to do with who mommy and daddy are?
Wanted to wash my cruiser today @ the car wash J & J 349 W 31st St, was told not today buddy, City hasn’t paid there bills. What a joke!
3/18/2018 04:09:00 PM
Maybe you should take your "cruiser" to an L.A. car wash. What a joke is right.
Obviously the only people who think F.T.O.’s should be given extra points on a promotional exam or given a meritorious promotion after a certain amount of time as an FTO are the people who couldn’t make it by score. And these people should be supervisors??? Study your ass off like the rest of us who made it by score did.
Wow! You passed a test. Amazing. You must be the greatest police officer ever. A real test passer. You really must shine with pencil in hand. Give me a belreak already with your B.S. You're a sergeant! Who cares! Congrats on achieving even less than middle management.
m sorry but you are not nor have you ever been a 9161
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Tell me about it....when can you pick me up from my 290? I’ll be waiting on the 303 but will hop in when I see you pull up on the 304. I’ll have Mom fix us some meatloaf... make sure you get travel time for lunch, partner! Someone takes this job a little too serious...
Charlie Burger best one that was out there. When he signed up they didn't get paid. What's the difference between then and now? Now its all about #1. To hell with everyone else, I gotta get mines. An eight year wonder recently told me ge doesnt give to benefits, work or medical or death because he gives too much to this job already. He said if the officer can't afford something it's the officer's fault dont come looking to him. Two other newer officers standing with him agreed and said they never gave a dime to any benefit or any homeless guy and never goes to St. Jude because it's not part of their job description. Rest in peace Charlie.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
At this point, Sgt EC 3rd Watch 003, former foot guy in 012 would be a runaway winner. He’s already had his own post here and his antics are noted regularly in comments by those of us unlucky enough to have to deal with him.
3/19/2018 01:53:00 AM
Sgt EC been telling people he has been asked by another CMDR TO please come to the district so he can whip the PO's in shape to start producing #'s. This MERIT SGT is a goof who actually believes being the 012 FOOT SOILDER FOR ALDERMAN deserves a MERIT spot. Totally unbelievable!!!
3/19/2018 11:00:00 AM
Let me guess, the fairytale request is supposedly coming from a new north side commander? Not in a million years. Cmdr knows his BS from 012.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(OT) Man shot after 5 armed people approached him on Near North Side
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/man-shot-after-5-armed-people-approached-him-on-near-north-side/
Right near Gold Coast wow the description is? Crickets again! All 5 armed with what a gun?knife?bat?fists?perfume?
Hey now googleme any news?
3/18/2018 10:06:00 PM
The Trib corrected this to the 5400 block of Division...
The bikini attendants at J&J Car Wash, 349 W. 31st Street, refused to wash my prowler. I said okay, I get it, but then they refused to wash my squad car! WTF!
I'll give you extra pay if you stop being a handjob. You can't be much of a sergeant if you actually think like this. Sounds like you just want extra money. You could save money by canceling your internet service. Then we all win!
3/19/2018 12:08:00 PM
Another stroke do-nothing that wouldn’t lift a finger to help another Officer I’m sure. The FTO program needs help. I’m sorry you got screwed and ended up with the pathetic typical attitude towards the job. Maybe you could go back to a minimum wage job and get let go for your pitiful performance there? This job has just become another form of welfare with benefits for slugs who love to brag about how tough they are as a modern day Chicago Police Officer. I’m sure you have no clue on how to be the Police. Leave everything for the next guy. Keep driving away from all those assist calls. Go get your Chicago flag tattoo. Add the phrase, “The Real Police”. Maybe you’ll get a Department wide complimentary letter to add to your “list of accomplishments “..... Keep f**cking up the respect past generations have earned for the rest of us. The reality is your a house mouse. A weekend “VRI Warrior”. If you managed to actually have any time on this job please retire. If not, just go away. The rest of us would definitely benefit from that!!!
My FTO (just an old timer who got stuck with the new kid), had two rules.
1)Always back people up.
2)Never leave your night stick in the car.
Everything else he said we could "figure" out later.
Retired now.
I'd like to tell some war stories now, but I gotta go.
The nurse just came in my room and said that if I take my pill and sign the back of my pension check, she"ll give me a sponge bath.
Yeah Baby!
G Night Squad...
Responding to 01:03 pm. How does being an FTO qualify you to being promoted to Sergeant and you said it does not. We've all experienced Great, middle of the Road and horrible FTOs. There some FTOs that took the position for the right reasons and hands down a true FTO. The type of
Fto or acting fto nothing in the Training is different
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