Wow
We aren't sure what line The Reader is taking on this, but we don't think it's the one they think they're taking:
- Paragraph #1 - A new analysis from the Chicago Appleseed Center for Fair Courts shows that criminalization of firearm possession increases incarceration and fails to reduce gun violence.
Um....so you want to DE-criminalize gun possession? Is that what we're reading?
- Paragraph #2 - The report, Punishing Fear: The Devastating Impacts of the War on Gun Possession in Chicago, confirms what many in marginalized groups have long argued—targeted and racialized policing of gun possession, strict gun laws, and increased investment in surveillance technologies, especially within the city’s Black and Brown communities, fail to address safety concerns and, instead, add to them.
Um....so you DO want to DE-criminalize gun charges, but only in minority communities, which are Ground Zero for....gun crime. We got it.....maybe.
- “The criminalization of gun possession and the conflation of gun possession and gun use have made communities less safe by entangling more people in the criminal legal system,” the report states. “Time and time again, Black men, teenagers, and children are targeted, arrested, and criminalized for carrying guns that they feel are necessary for their own protection in areas with high rates of gun violence and low clearance rates by police.”
There's a lot to unpack there. "Possession" is okay, but "Use" is bad. People (or folks) who are black are carrying guns (illegally) for protection because where they hang out happen to be....areas of high rates of crime.....
You mean like Gun Possession?
And those low clearance rates aren't for lack of effort by the police - it's because of low rates of cooperation with the police, intimidated witnesses and a States Attorney who has destroyed any faith people once had in the system.
And then this word salad of bullshit:
They pointed to figures that illuminate the current state of gun ownership in Black communities, such as an Urban Institute survey of a nearly all-Black group of participants that found that more than 90 percent of male gun carriers in Chicago do so to protect themselves or others.
“People who possess guns without the proper licensure are often demonized in the media,” Johnson says. “However, many of these people are themselves survivors of gun violence who are taking measures to protect themselves and their families from violence. We believe it is critical to center their voices in this conversation.”
So, because they are "survivors of gun violence," they should be permitted to break the law?
Here's a novel idea - go get licensed, go get qualified, and carry a gun legally! You jump through the hoops put forth by Springfield and you can avoid all of that law breaking hassle you keep bitching about.
But that might mean you don't get to play the victim any more....hmmmm.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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How about this? Maybe if black and brown people stopped committing a disproportionate number of the crimes and obeyed the gun laws where applicable- they could legally own guns like the rest of us. This is the twisted illogical thoughts of radical liberals. It’s like the goof in Rogers Park who by asking criminals to not shoot people until after 9pm thought she made progress.
Hey, there's a second amendment to the constitution, just like there's a first.
There should be no such thing as illegal possession by anyone except maybe those underage. or incarcerated. That includes felons once they have served their sentence. Once you're out, you're out. You get to vote, drive, and carry.
HOWEVER, criminal activity such as robbery or battery needs quick and certain punishment, up to and including the death penalty.
Sarcasm says..... So let's "de-criminalize" gun possession in the black and brown communities. I am certain that then, crimes involving the possession and use of guns will decrease, crimes like robberies, assaults, batteries, CSAs, and murders will decrease. Then the whole community will be able to lift itself out of poverty and they will all become productive members of society, get an education, get jobs, and sing kumbaya with everyone else as one big happy family. As long as they don't run when stopped by the police, they follow verbal direction, drive with valid licenses and insurance, they get their guns back. Let's try it.
There should be NO gun Laws ...NONE... ZIP....
Follow the 2nd......
2nd amendment "shall not be infringed"
If ..Your to dangerous to have a gun...than you should be locked up.
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The Applecore group is just another looney pretend think tank group that has no experience in dealing with criminals in the streets and are focused on pronouns.
Signed: he/haw
Blame the cops - typical democrat tactic for problems they create.
Time for Constitutional Carry?
soft bigotry of lowered expectations. and, without a control group, how would one know whether making UUW arrests does or does not lower the crime rate? it's a guess
I wonder if they asked how many are gang members, who feel the need to protect themselves with guns because they threaten or shoot others with those guns
I would love for IL to have constitutional carry.
Having said that it would still be illegal for children, teens and felons to carry a gun.
We have gotten past the soft bigotry of low expectations and moved on to the hard bigotry of no expectations.
If blacks get arrested for something we are told the law is to blame, not the criminals.
Several cities have decriminalized public urination because more blacks than whites were getting busted for it.
I wont be surprised if they claim it has something to do with bathrooms being segregated 75 years ago.
I suspect we will soon hear the "I was just taking a leak" defense from flashers and men busted attempting to commit sexual assault.
"While the research team assured respondents that their participation in the survey and their individual responses would be confidential, some may have answered questions in what they perceived as socially desirable ways or may have been less than truthful to the research team."
Less than truthful? No way!!!
Is it that hard to be law abiding.
"Wow" is right! That's the funniest thing I've read all week. Even better, people from the CCSAO sat through the presentation of "facts". For every study, there's a grant program full of someone's money (private philanthropic + tax dollars). No tangible public service, just a bunch of greedy, money-hungry, informational bottom feeders and data scapers. The best quote from the article in The Reader: "...address gun violence in Chicago and create a system of equitable gun possession". Communist non-profits love money just as much as the "evil capitalistic bankers" do...and, the love of money is the root of all evil. Evil parading around as "what's good for the community". The Communists in this country need a bigger army...and they are forming one with "equitable gun possession".
As everyone always says, there's plenty of gun laws, they're just not enforced. More examples. You guys have a chance to work quietly with the feds now, tip them, get cases in federal court. Bypass the cook county clown show.
"more than 90 percent of male gun carriers in Chicago do so to protect themselves or others"
That actually sounds right.It is the 10% that carry guns for destruction or crime that that are the problem.As police you all know most crime is committed by the same small group of people.
Gold Star for SCC on that one.
Have you noticed that The Reader must be on a diet? It has gotten really thin lately.
Governor Pritzker. If you come for my people.. you come through me.
Might actually be quicker than going around him.
Just keep the numbers kilt up and all is good
No "gun violence" in my home. My 4 pistols and 3 M4s have been gathering in peace for decades.
Those “marginalized” persons are carrying guns to protect their criminal activities.
Authored by;
Graduate of the Chicago Public Schools?
Member of the CTU?
CPS teacher?
All of the above.
So gangbangers and dope dealers should be allowed to carry guns to protect themselves ?. Locking these people up makes the community less safe. What lily white suburb does this liberal egghead live in and what is he smoking.
When academia shadows over common sense you get studies and reports like this. And because it's academia, there are actually nonsensical people who will give the study consideration. Stupid is as stupid does.
Where do the writers of such articles live. I've said it before, move into the community, houses are still affordable. The ghetto will always be the ghetto until some white progressives move in, spend their money at local businesses and become members of the community.
Finally, something God couldnt even do!!!
Sounds about right.
Not leaping to conclusions or exhibit bias, but perhaps a large portion of the group surveyed are not only survivors of gun violence, but felons as well. This status would not allow them to legally carry at all.
A couple days ago guy bumps into a woman in an englewood grocery store and a few words are exchanged between the two. She jumps on FaceTime with her boyfriend and summons him to the store. When the man who originally accidentally bumped into the woman completes his grocery purchase he leaves the store and walks toward his vehicle which is parked in the lot. Unbeknownst to him the woman’s boyfriend is waiting in the lot, approaches on foot, and shoots the guy dead for no other reason than he accidentally bumped into a woman in a grocery store. You still think we should not place limits on who can carry a gun? Let’s be sensible.
It is ridiculous how much treasure it takes to acquire the King's Marque to carry, but I don't put a price on my life.
Chicago Appleseed Center for Fair Courts
750 North Lake Shore Drive, Fourth Floor
Chicago, IL 60611
They're keepin' it real on the mean streets of that north LSD address. You know, when you drive into Chicago from Winnetka, you get a real understanding of violence and oppression.
Another group of over educated far alt left radicals trying to justify criminals walking on the streets with guns amongst law abiding people. What the holy hell is wrong with these idiots. Oh I know, they live and work in wealthy areas with higher percentages of Asian, Indian, and whites where crime is non existing, but want the rest of us middle to lower classes to have to live in the violent world where criminals can carry guns with no consequences. These mentally ill liberals have no concept of reality. None.
What the Reader calls "marginalized groups" I call "the criminal society". They're one in the same.
So they need to illegally carry guns to protect themselves from people illegally carrying guns?
So they want enforcement on the gun users, not the gun carriers. That's like saying only enforce drunk driving laws if you injure somebody.
This is truly mind boggling that some idiot actually wrote this opinion and is serious about making it legal for any black or brown person to possess a firearm. Drug abuser , it’s ok. Convicted felon, it’s ok. Mentally unstable, it’s ok. I’d love to do my own case study and allow gun possession for everyone in the ghetto. Pull the police out and let’s see who the last dude standing is.
The author of that article looks like a cartoon character. Exactly as expected.
https://x.com/maiamcdonld/photo
Maybe the Reader got the Chicago Appleseed Center for Fair Courts confused with Project Appleseed, which is a group that teaches the fundamentals of rifle and pistol marksmanship.
Gang bangers carry for protection. Go figure.
They could quit twisting themselves into pretzels if they just came out and said "any crime a black person commits is not a crime." That would at least be more intellectually honest.
One more thing: Poverty doesn't cause crime; crime causes poverty.
If you commit a crime with a gun, NO, you shouldn’t get to be able to possess a gun AGAIN! I’m not talking possession of a gun in your car on the way to the hood. I’m talking robbery, agh battery, murder, etc. Wtf are you even thinking?
Some people feel entitled to commit crime.
Because most of their readership now have moved out of the city as their heyday 20’s and early 30’s passed. They are happily living in a safe and mostly white suburb or middle class income minority suburb with a lawn, attached garage. Occasionally, they participate in things such as food and clothing drives for tent cities to make sure that shit stays in the city and not Downers Grove.
Yah
Lib to English translation: Non-Whites can have guns, Whites can't.
It is called constitutional carry and is legal in many states
Felon in possession rules still apply.
FOID is racist. Why ask the government to exercise a right................. if FOID is so good, why does only 2 states have it?
The mayor of San Francisco, London Breed, a total Hoople Head, lost her re-election bid to a more middle of the road Dem. He is for law and order, Hire mor police, lower the crime rate, put offenders in jail and stop the people many homeless from shitting on the street. He says there should be a price to pay for criminal activity. HHMM!
This sky pilot who wrote this article lives in a space inside his head. Certainly, has never been approached by Duke Inc. with a gun in his face. So let him spew his utter nonsense because no one except for some college females who love their cats more than humans, will listen. Well maybe Conehead might.
I would drive around him but my car has only half a tank of gas!!
They should go out of business. They were successful as an arts and culture paper for young professionals of all stripes, then they went nonprofit and became a woke political rag. Well, guess what? Nobody wants to read a woke political rag. They alienated their original audience and their new target audience gets their opinions from TikToc, not newspapers. Morons.
He has a point and your comment validates it. I assume you’re a cop, and as such you can carry a gun whenever you think it necessary. If you lived in one of these crime infested neighborhoods you would carry your gun everywhere. People who live in these neighborhoods feel the same as you, they want to carry a weapon as protection against the same dude person you make reference. How many of these otherwise law abiding people who are carrying CCW without a permit are misusing their weapons? I suspect that the rate is no higher than CCW holders, which is very low. I did move when I retired to a gun friendly state, one unfortunately that has a high violent crime rate. But the people involved in these crimes are the same face tattooed people who are committing violent crimes in your town. People here all carry pistols, no permit is needed unless the weapon is carried concealed on your person. You can assume everyone in a car has a gun. Gun violence among the non-tattooed-face crowd is very low, as is gun misuse among the CCW holders. Direct your anger at the politicians with there soft on crime policies that have created a situation where people feel the need to protect themselves.
This nonsense sounds like some DEI application for gun ownership - let those who should never have a firearm have one, and punish those who have the right mindset and training but the wrong skin color for owning one.
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