Rumor
How many officers are we talking about?
- Off topic.. The entire caps office in 012 failed to qualify with their primary weapons and are pending the 7 hr mandatory firearms refresher
Far too many cops fire thirty rounds, once-a-year, at qualification time. That isn't nearly enough to be even remotely proficient at using what is arguably the most important tool on your person.
Someone is going to argue, "How many times would a CAPS officer need to use their gun?" and the answer is, "If it's even once, you better be capable."
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
170 Comments:
Ray Charles could pass our joke of qualification course. I never understood why the majority of coppers hated shooting and guns in general so much. It’s like a carpenter hating a hammer or a plumber hating a wrench. It’s a tool of the trade.
Add the 004th district CAPS to the list. Some of these females honestly don’t belong on this job.
Officers in 012 Caps office might not be able to hit a paper target on the range but are able to shoot a hole in the wall in the caps office.
Thought everyone passed that ?
Why do you think they came on the job?
It’s for a fuckin paycheck, benefits and time off.
It’s certainly not to be the Police!
But in today’s day, who can blame them
When i qualified in 2025, there were 6 of us on the line. 4 failed. CPD
We're they even loaded ?
🤣🤣🤣
Yes,I can laugh. I've seen the quality of the CAPS officer and let's just say 🤣🤣🤣
typical house mice
how?......
Do not confuse qualification with training. A yearly 30 round qualification course will not stand up in court in a shooting related lawsuit. Failure to train is a huge factor in deciding a payout.
Speaking of CAPS, why was dean angelo dumped from his CAPS spot?
The department has some of the blame. How many hours of training is blocked towards the fundamentals of basic shooting. None! The department wonders why they are paying out millions in lawsuits for officers not being able to hit what they’re shooting at. How many police shootings where officers missed shooting an armed assailant. The department doesn’t enforce the seriousness of carrying a firearm off duty. Even criminals go to the range or have frequent real life gun use. The department only yearly tests if you can put bullets on a paper target within a minimum reasonable amount of time. No refresher on basic fundamental skills. The officers in question don’t want nothing to do with gun play. That’s why they have an inside assignment. Today’s police officer wants nothing to do with a gun. Unfortunately everyone lives in Chicago where violence is random and a gun is necessary for survival. These officers will some how get through and one day make it to retirement. They will always be a safety risk to themselves and the people they work with. The reason every officer in the city has a gun on them escapes some officers. Your life and the lives of everyone within your area might depend on your ability to eliminate an aggressively violent person who is armed with a weapon. For some officers the duty weapon is a hassle they don’t want, how many officers don’t carry off duty. Some officers don’t seem to live in the real world. I have heard numerous and to many stories of officers going to qualify and their gun didn’t work. I have personally seen where officers are attempting to clean a gun, and not doing it correctly. If the department was serious they would get more involved with training officers. Other agencies do get more involved with officers gun cleaning and shooting skills.
Here's some of the issues. Look at the equipment. I've seen holsters held together with silver duct tape. I've seen slides that couldn't be moved due to lack of basic maintenance. I've seen rounds frozen in the cylinders of the revolvers. I know life get's in the way but when an officer waddles in, wearing a vest that looks more like a sports bra...c'mon! I know the range instructors 25+ years ago were very rough, I was a recruit back then. Guys and gals holding on to the Rugers, Berettas, DAO Smiths and Sigs. C'mon people. "But I'm retiring in 3 years and moving to..." That little thing called a "uniform check" is there to keep you safe with equipment that will keep you alive! And guys and gals, you now have to qualify...with people watching...LEGIT!! Don't show up on the range saying "well so and so used to qualify me..." throwing someone under the bus. You've had more than enough time to prepare. Those old DAO guns were the standard 25 years ago, now they're nostalgic. Anyone who know's me knows we want you to pass but guess what, YOU have to shoot...with people scoring you. If that 10 pound trigger gives you a failing score, time to improve your survival skills. Look in the mirror...are you honestly ready for Policing?!
Nice! Some officers only own one or two duty weapons. I heard two stories of officers carrying fake guns because they didn’t like the weight. I also heard a story of an officer who had an unloaded weapon because they didn’t want to get into a shooting. You’re on your own and in so many ways while working. The bosses are a joke and so are some of the officers you work with. Stay safe! The life you save could be your own.
Caps should be all civilians
For some officers it’s the “Andy Griffith Show”. It’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Our job has real life consequences. Some came here for the pay and benefits. This is showing.
New police force. I guess the CAPS Officers didn’t get there from their shooting ability. They are all the Commanders people. Great job everyone involved.
I’m sure glad they are in 012 District CAPS Office. LOL. Not like they are serious about stay alive.
Been saying for years to many CPD shots fired with nothing hit. Very poor marksmanship
How about all the bosses that just called in? They’re qualification they don’t even show up at the range.
Turn caps into civilian social workers. Put the officers back on the street answering calls in a beat car.
They are not the Police !!!!
Just wait for the lawsuits when they shoot, miss, and hit the wrong person.
CPD is a big joke lol
This is not true. While the group did come and qualify together, all of them passed on the first attempt. I know because I qualified them.
Sad and pathetic.
So that means NO one is working CAPS in 012..You CANNOT go back to work until you qualify! How many will have to go back to the academy to retrain?? Too many on this job that cannot shoot..thats a big problem.
Thats why they are in CAPS, like so many others hidden in various spots. They cannot simply do this job effectively so hide them if cushy positions. How many failed from HQ (if they even have to qualify)?
The Officers are management material. They know what it takes to get a white shirt. Keep your head down and make the boss happy. Anyone in CAPS is the DC’s pick. They are halfway there. They will be your boss soon so you better start respecting them.
They could always put a mirror on the wall and they can "upholstery" thier weapon and dry fire practice. Just make sure you drop the mag and eject the live round out of the chamber first.
yet everyone in that office was IOD with paper cuts and impaled stapler projectiles
Another black eye for CAPS. Can they get any more useless?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
That’s nothing wait till you see the DEI hires that cannot draw the weapon from holster! Since the gun is glued into the leather…. Along with green ammunition.
That’s why they never perform weapons inspection at roll call because they would never pass inspection?
This is just , another embarrassment, for 013 District Caps office.
The range is doing an EXCELLENT job! The fact they’re actually saving Officers’ lives by scoring them correctly is definitely needed. I’m glad they’re holding them accountable to shooting accurately and not just passing these slugs. They’re the ones showing up to help us and god forbid it’s their shot that depends on saving or taking our life. Thanks range for calling out the most crucial skill needed on this job! Well done!!
How much time do they have on the job?
6? 7 years? Less?
Uh, the qualification test is a joke. Far too easy to pass.
They didn't take this job to play police.
No rumors. All true. Great bunch of Officers :) They just lack pew-pew skills with a gat. The CPD will issue them Glock-Full-Auto switches. Plan is to implement spray and pray strategies. Gatling gun solves problem (Glock switches)..
I know beat cops fail on purpose just to get a free day off for training. It's ridiculous!
On your own is one thing, but other officers will have to depend on you sometime. If for nothing else, do the right thing for your fellow officers.
A gun is like a parachute...
You don't need one, until you 'really need' one...
Anyone remember Tex.. and the range at Soldiers Field…Gene
Very well said officer!
Dump them all back to the street
Barney Fife had his trusty six-shooter and Sheriff Andy kept Barney's single allotted round in his shirt pocket. Bet old Barney boy didn't get in much range time or qualifying either.
Very difficult to qualify...when you can't even load the magazines or operate the pistol's controls because of your long sssssparkly fingernails. And, those long fake lashes keep getting in the way of your sight picture.
Emerging briefly from stealth mode, the bandito de besos flutters hither and, with a swiftly deft flick, teases the blog with.....
That’s what the bosses wanted so they could hold it over them. Incompetence loves someone more incompetent than them.
The taxpayers are getting hosed because they are supposed to be screening applicants.
You “heard?”
Do true. No real firearm marksmanship training going on.
Well this doesn’t surprise me.
PE has been useless for 20 years inside. MD mommy was a judge also useless. The one copper with her fake abs useless. Let’s not forget the useless Sgt’s back there. Move along
Camaraderie is gone. It’s everyone for themselves. Remember the duty to intervene. It’s the law! I can’t wait for my first time getting to intervene on a supervisor. I’m going to frame a copy of my To/From.
That’s what everyone wants. Because if they wanted something else the CPD would take action. No training has taken place since leaving the academy.
Because he is a CAPS @$$.
CAPS should be eliminated. every beat officer is trained as aCAPS officer and does more for the community than these housecoats
That’s what it has become.
The department keeps dumbing down the job.
it's the fault of no weapons inspection, Cpd needs a qualified, not appointed, captain on every watch.stand up inspections everyday.
Love it. Let them retire and get their jobs back with no police powers.
Interesting. He was in that spot for a while. Did he try to outshine his commander? Maybe he took credit for something he shouldn’t have.
That is what it has become.
Not carrying a gun off duty is a relief. Who wants to be bothered. No one can blame you for not wanting extra responsibility.
They might need their eyes checked when qualifying.
Some people never plan on leaving the ground.
Caps should be eliminated. Let the police be the police. The city/county already have scores of people getting paid to do the same thing.
Glad the department is giving them Glock Switches! LOL! I’m sure they are fun to hang with. The sound like nice people.
The one who takes endless head shot pictures in uniform just so her commentators can tell her “stay safe”.. in her office hahaha
Never met a caps office with real coppers. It’s just like the academy, real coppers would never apply to work there. Real coppers would never try to join the caps office. Now, if caps was filled with people 25+ years in that would be one thing but in 001 it’s women and feminine men with less than 10 years, some joined caps with 3 years on. But… would you want them on the street at all? Nope. So best place to hide them is caps. Sure it’s the same in every district.
Agreed.
It’s funny how all these people fail, then pass on the 2nd attempt after the other officers have left.
The ones that have to go to the weekend make up shoot miraculously pass, but then the next year fail again
Everyone knows they didn’t qualify in the academy but graduated anyway
Caps is something police officers do while driving around doing nothing and things are slow. We have made this a spot lol. "Sgt. Can I come in on my RDO for OT to do caps stuff? Sure says the Sgt, hes doing OT for caps stuff too. Cpd took a lesson from CPS.
Just saw a Facebook post from The Rural Badge. Talked about SRO's, city hall officers, court officers, etc. You are guarding unarmed people, sometimes its kids. They are literally the flock. Will you have the teeth to bite and be able to shoot straight if it goes down. I guess we're looking at you, CAPS.
You would think with 600+ murders a year and thousands of ppl shot, CPD would focus training on shooting. Nope. Let’s choose impartial policing instead!
That stuff only happens to other people. It never happens to me.
Years ago an inspector caught two of the commanders dollies coming out of a bank (back in the pay check day) with out their hats. He then noted they had no guns. The told the inspector they work inside and didn't need to carry them because they work inside.
Yeah I only shoot the 30 rounds annually and have never failed in 18 years. This department is a joke now
Free day off if you don’t qualify? Interesting.
Not gonna read this long comment, not even while taking a dump
They’re all pregnant too
Friends of the front office program.
CAPS people carrying guns give the department a bad look.
Maybe a release trigger would help them shoot better?
I am long retired but I never heard of anyone, to include all of the desk riders, failing to qualify with their primary weapon. The course is very easy. But, for one, the city is too cheap to supply ammo so the officers can shoot more than once a year. I recall back in the 90's they bought ammo from a manufacturer in Wisconsin who worked out of his garage. Filled with duds and low powder loads. An officer from a Northside district was shooting at someone in a car that was shooting at him. The officer's bullets bounced off of the car glass.
about 10 years ago went to qualify and just 2 other p/o's there, range instructor said ok, let's see who has the "dead man's gun". each one of us went to the gun clearing box, eject the magazine then eject the round in the chamber and the female dei hire had no bullet in the chamber, and she and her partner just laughed as me and the instructor just looked at each other in disbelief
It’s smart, you get extra range time on the city’s dime…
Ok Rambo. Mind your own business. Sometimes just a little extra training takes care of a problem. The dept doesn’t give us enough shooting training and outside of work we have families to take care of and can’t go to the range every off day!!
I qualified next to an old timer with a revolver once, and he shot my target. The bullet hole was a different size than my own grouping. Another time I was leaving work and an old timer backed into my car. He apologized and told me that he just couldn't see very good anymore.
Plus the medical roll
Face it..Good Riddance. He was Never in the office and no where to be found. Im not even sure if he knew his ass from a hole in the ground! A completely useless tool..Ill bet he would run for an FOP spot next time around..like father like son. Useless.
Plus there are cameras all over inside and outside the range.
Obviously you werent wearing your glasses.
Must have something to do with the tacos in their district that they're consuming
Didn't know that 013 reopened
Shooting, specifically pistol shooting, is a VERY perishable skill!!! And the older you get, the worse it gets! Gotta get the reps in... No excuses...
I remember years back. One of the old female desk officer in 025 couldn't get her revolver to eject the stuck casings in the cylinder.
She hadn't qualified in years. Had a friend at the range that would just pass her through.
They shake their tail at a white shirt to stay inside.
Your Nam Please!
Does the department still have Mandatory Gun Inspection on Wednesdays! Or are the W/Cs want everyone to play nice?
No one cares
Well said. However, you should know as well as anyone that even if the entire dept went to 4-pound trigger striker-fired handguns the percentage failing quals would remain about the same. The people they are hiring now have no intention of being an aggressive crimefighter or a tactically proficient shooter. That concept of policing was beaten out of us decades ago. (What percentage of CPD don't carry off-duty? I'm willing to bet around 40-50%.)
They are here for the six-figure salary, ability to abuse the medical and a chance at working a hidden inside spot and early retirement. At some point in the near future, live ammunition won't even be used for weapons quals.
It is like the female CAPS officers In 10 who when faced with a gunman at the front desk missed a 3 foot shot and hit the roof. Now one is a SGT…
Used to be stand up inspection/roll-call every day, and on Wednesday weapons inspection too, like clockwork, just like Prince spaghetti day.
Probably faking another on duty heart attack trying to get disability again!
I’ve never heard of anyone failing. I’ve seen some pretty fucked up targets too after qualifying and everyone still passed.
How bad does your target have to be to fail? I’ve seen some ones that looked real dicey, and they still passed. I feel like you have to be a real train wreck to not pass.
If nothing else, bare minimum, spend 5-10 minutes a day dry firing when you know qualifying is coming around. Draw from your holster, dry fire, holster, repeat.
Again the officer who couldn't clear a stove pipe jam. Do a search she is #1 as the worst officer in America. Her partner getting shot at & she doesn't even have a radio she forgot it. How is this possible??
Is the 006 district gym mirror killer going to teach them during re- qualification?
I was at the urinal once and an old timer pissed on my shoe after it took him 15 minutes to finally piss.
Great story from sergeant's school in 2000:
One day, a female in the 003rd district is standing at weapons inspection with her Ruger 9mm. It was brown in color. The LT asked why was it brown?
She said SHE PAINTED IT.
The LT complemented her on how pretty it was.
He then ordered her to get another gun after she told him she painted it 8 months earlier.
THE LESSON: There was no weapons inspection for 8 months. That is why you need to inspect the 30% of total MORONS at weapons inspection EVERY Wednesday.
They are not alone. Many bosses don’t even go shoot, reshoot or get pushed through!
All these comments are really hurting my feelings - 012 Caps Office
DAO guns nostalgic? Not in good hands. It will kill you just as dead as the most modern gun on the market. As the saying goes "a good carpenter doesn't blame his tools."
The City doesn't want you to shoot anyone. That costs the City a lot of Money
Intresting, I hope the PO that just got dumped from MAUI and landed in 009 CAPS can qualify.
Excuses are like a$$holes, everyone has them. Blame the department and your family.. but take ZERO accountability. You should find a job that aligns with your responsibilities because you clearly don’t belong on this one darling.
Not if you only shoot once a year
So why not have laser sights to help with this issue? Thoughts? Haven’t looked into it yet
one of the women is there because literally nobody else applied.
I also never failed, only shot those 30 rounds a year, and also never failed in over 40 years and am still qualifying with both revolver and automatic with IROCC 18 years after retirement although it’s getting harder each year
You bet! Had a great time going to the range and actually learned a thing or two.
Duck out early in 012 to go fire some rounds down range? No. Duck out early to run your side businesses? Yes. Looking for a deal on next furlo trip, attend the next 012 district CAPS ice cream social.
We’re happy for u
More like the Mayberry bank guard Asa Breeny, sleeping on the job and when he pulls his revolver out of his holster it falls apart.
In the 70s in 019 we had a guy nicknamed Doorbells at gun inspection with no ammo in gun. Told the WC he was non violent and sent him home. Next day he comes back to roll call with flowers in his holster and no gun. They then detail him to watch the Haymarket statue which was at Randolph and Kennedy xway on mid nights to guard the statue. He survived it and retired. Totally useless POS. Should have been fired.
Maybe the CAPS officers in 012 are too busy selling REAL ESTATE and RUNNING A TRAVEL AGENCY
Maybe the old timer needed Flomax? It worked for me.
Including you?
CAPS has been a failure.
There is no earning the trust of the ghetto. You cannot expect cooperation and peace when the community does not reform itself.
Time to unplug this useless corrupt unit.
If everyone has a laser, it gets hard to figure out which dot is yours.
Really?! Supervisors are there...stop by.
Dang. Why it always got to be 003rd District shit
You can thank ultra-liberal, activist judge by his own admission, democrat Judge Prentice "Prentass" Marshall. He sat on the bench of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois for 23 years. Unfortunately, he was nominated by a republican president, Richard M. Nixon. Hopefully, since 2004, Prentass is residing with Lucifer in the eternal sauna.
They failed cause a certain sgt retired who used to show them where to shoot!!!!
I heard that judge rumor. Makes sense now. Always wondered why he gave us street working cops an ignorant look in passing. Strange fella
I agree with you but that wasn’t what he meant by that statement about the DAO. I knew exactly what he was getting at & im guilty of carrying the Beretta still. But it’s just such a smooth accurate gun & I’m decent with it still that I can’t let it go.
100%. I would go as far to pull all polleeces outta that ghetto they don't want us there anyway and hate us but call for every little thing.
Maybe someone’s a hater
Retired with nearly 33 years on. Started in 002, went to 007, a few districts and units, all by bids. When I try to explain to family that there are people I knew on this job who retired with never ONCE putting handcuffs on anyone they look at me like I'm crazy. New superintendent Garry McCarthy wanted to know about our high ranking Gold Stars and asked them to submit resumes. A female First Deputy submitted hers and McCarthy called her and told her she forgot to put her arrest records on the resume. She replied that she didn't forget, SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY. NOT ONE ARREST DID SHE EVER INITIATE. NEVER WAS IN BOX ONE. Heres a related funny story though. I worked in a unit where a bunch of us would get breakfast after roll call. The guys were at the White Palace Grill on Roosevelt eating on the morning there was some 10k run for breast cancer going on. They were quite loud in their joking about the First Deputy from the account above. An older woman, wearing a pink t-shirt which was passed out to those running walked up to their table, pulled out a gold star and said " I'm First Deputy ______and if you guys are gonna crack jokes about me could you keep it down cause I'm trying to have breakfast with my grandkids.." They couldn't get out of there fast enough. What was her name? I'll let someone else give that up...
Caps and SDSC personnel need to get booted back to the street. Bout as useful to the department as tits on a bull
Their mindsets are that they will not be doing any police work and certainly never get into a gun fight. And while tremendous effort is expended by many to avoid both, sometimes a gunfight comes to you. You're saving your own life by training.
Watch some of these old and not so old F#c@s at IROC try to qualify. God knows they should not be carrying a weapon.EVER!
my mistake, make that about 20 to 25 years ago,,, not 10
They may not be able to shoot, but damn those girls sure know how to throw a Christmas party!
Ticket Price was a joke… Last Christmas Party in 012 was a big DUH! The place was cold that they had to ask one of the workers to turn the heat up. Food was cold,Dessert table was a joke, Liquor was water down, me and the fellows hope they don’t have it there again. Time to move on and find another place. How much of that ticket money actually went to all that garbage that was served?
Caps Sgt. in 012 is lucky to be there. Some of us still can’t believe after she trashed talked J.B he still put her up there. (But then again how would he know right) Don’t you recall Sgt when you were asked you how can you go up there after you talked sh*t about him.. and you just ignored the question. You haven’t changed.
Here’s a way to solve two problems at once . Put the caps people in the CTA stations. They could convert the closets into CAPS offices. They can meet & greet the people as they are coming and going everyday. The sergeants can ride the trains up and down logging the officers in. Just think anyone needing a police report can get one at the CTA/CAPS desk.
Put all the CAPS people on the CTA assign them to fixed posts on the stations. They can be monitored by all the cameras and supervisors who will be ridding the trains checking on the CAPS guys.
Does anyone actually believe that anything is going to change?
Lasers aren’t what you think. They show you where the gun is pointed but when you start pulling the trigger it moves. Most people think you hit where the dot is but it’s always moved and sometimes off target if you jerk enough
end the assignment of sworn police officers to caps
Let’s go deeper, does anyone believe that if CAPS went away then they would become happier?
All while being upset no one takes her to HQ. Like look lady your past your prime
No.
You’re a little late with the April Fools joke. How about Brandon’s detail ride the train while he is in meetings or out of town.
Hey “commander,” stay off the blog.
Dude iroc is a joke, fired all 30 rounds in about 15 seconds. All passes
Bunch of slobs that don’t belong on the job. Bulnes tried to send two back to the watch and the leeches leeched on. Talk about fearing the streets to the point that you have no self respect.
Unless you had a switch installed, you have a semi-automatic, not an automatic.
You won't be saying that if plaintiff's attorney uses your failure against you in a wrongful death lawsuit.
Is that stopping you from doing some training on your own?
Fired all 30 rounds in about 15 seconds... bull shit.
It's a cartridge or round, not a bullet.
I learned as a bartender that you never water down booze. You cut it with cheaper booze.
Where was it held
We would be
They would all quit
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