This was a Rough Watch
They released the body cam video of Officer Krystal Rivera's death at the hands of her partner and there's nothing easy about it.
We will refrain from comment at the moment aside from saying there is pretty much nothing redeeming about it at all - poor tactics, poor reactions, poor everything.
We're leaving comments open for the moment, but we might just shut it down depending on content and context.
Labels: officer down
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
215 Comments:
Terrible muzzle control and trigger discipline by Baker.
What the hell am I expecting from a thug posing as Tiktok Police?
Perhaps a revamp of all training. Tact teams, Units, to receive mandatory room clearance, shoot or don’t shoot, communication. And not taught by the robots in PTSC. Do legit live fire FBI training. Fire 90% of command staff. Put in working SGTS/LTs. No one above Captain should be running the department. Remove 90% of in service training, elearning. Replace with law, tactics, physical fitness. Lastly, my opinion doesn’t matter. Nothing will ever change.
Nothing seemed urgent. He did didn’t even look over the railing. No shots were fired and no offenders visible through open door. And where is was he dragging her? Its way worse then I thought.
Very unfortunate accident, and that’s what it was, an accident. CB had a split second decision to make when he was face to face with a man pointing a rifle at him. He moved for cover and inadvertently fired his pistol striking his partner. Before someone claims he delayed rendering aid, he didn’t know if the offender is aiming down that fatal funnel waiting to ambush him next. Shame on those who spread rumors that this incident was some elaborate set up, all character faults aside.
Dealing with just what was on video...tactics. As he runs up to the door, pistol was not in a safe direction. I know it's going to come back to training at the academy. Yes everyone get's the absolute LEAST amount required but it should come down to common sense. My first search warrant on a tact team one of my partners had her hand against my back so I thought. Turned out she had her muzzle pointed at my back. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback. Tachypsychia is an issue, etc all comes into play. The whole time he's shouting at the top of his lungs on the radio. It had to be hard to hear on the zone. He sat on the stairs and his partner drifted off. Very hard to watch and hear. Sadly these should be learning experiences.
May she R.I.P.
We gotta figure out what really happened.
Not feeling good.
Cpd should have fired Carlos bakers years ago. Yet he is still out here at bars fighting girls then calling the bars asking for the security footage 🥴
Not intentional, I blame the academy for failing to prepare this individual for the street. Then the FTO program that gave the blessing that he was adequately prepared for the street. You need to look at the leadership of the academy. Tragic all the way around.
So so sad.
What a piece of shit. And to medical abusing.never been the police fop pres stfu defending this guy. Hopefully you can share a cell with him.
Sad, extremely sad. The officer didn’t do a good job and he messed up! Either he was ill prepared by the department, or he wasn’t cut out to be the police! Either way, the department is at fault! My heart goes out to the friends and family of the officer who passed away! Horrible tragedy!
OMG his gun handling
Yep. Never saw the video before but this was pretty much what I expected. Hopefully all the morons that thought there was some conspiracy where he intended to shoot her feel like the retards that they are.
Sorry, but it’s time to get rid of gang and tact. With the low quality of people getting hired nowadays, it’s a miracle this type of tragedy doesn’t happen more often.
That was initially presented as her stepping in front of him as he was shooting at the offender with a gun. She was behind him and he turned around and shot her. Hard to blame tunnel vision on that one.
Minimum should be fired for negligent discharge and not knowing he fired his gun, if that story he concocted is even true.
Fucking unreal to leave your partner there to bleed out. Coward!!! He should not be the police!!
Absolutely horrible.
I still do know why he fired outside the apartment ...all the action was going on inside.
First - I feel so sorry for Ms. Rivera's family and friends that endured this. Terrible! That bust-out was absolutely wrong in every way possible: not keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, keeping his finger off the trigger until ready to shoot, and being sure of his target is only the tip of absolute and total failure. This is an example of everything NOT to do.
I am not going to watch. It's too sad of an event. Watching it will not benefit me in the least bit.
Watch it, and knowing many people troll this website to put it nicely total inexperience resulted in a death. whoever the instructors are at the academy, obviously don’t know what they were doing either if this is what was taught tactics were absolutely a failure.
What makes me go into deep thought was that there was a point she had no idea she had 10 seconds left to live.
RIP dear lady
What was the point of releasing this entire video to the general public.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Let’s just leave at what it is, a tragic accident
Keep your booger hook off the bang switch. RIP Krystal. Absolutely avoidable, which makes it 1000% worse.
How is it not instant immediate reaction to go check on your partner! WTF
Buncha monday morning quarterbacks in here. This has been done a million times before, chasing bad guy with a gun. The only difference here is that when he took cover he fell and pulled the trigger. Dont kid yourself and thinking that this couldn't happen to you.
How can he be kept on the job after doing two egregious things. One, he negligently discharged his firearm killing someone. It doesn't even matter that someone was his partner because killing Anyone with a negligent discharge is grounds for dismissal. Two, he somehow didn't know he shot his own gun, which I think is worse than negligently discharging. You combine both of these, it isn't even a question of his status as a police officer, that status is over. He should resign, but if he refuses to resign, he should be fired.
He sits for 90 seconds to catch his breath while Krystal is lying there taking her last? No aid rendered...just dragging her and yelling for other officers to take her to the hospital...so bad in so many ways.
I hate social media retards!
FTOs have no power to keep people off the streets the department will push people through no matter what look at your command staff
Did you actually watch the video?🙄🤡
100% correct!
💯 he needs to be in prison
Speaking of tik tok police. Has anyone worked at 050 with a p.o. Mot--y. Heard from a reliable source that a big number is coming and his clout is staying away from him. Failure to take police action has consequences you dog
How do you know a phone call wasn't put in to pass him even though he was failing?
That's just your opinion.
Speed, surprise, and dominance (violence of action) are needed to effectively enter and clear an unknown structure..they lost the first two and didn’t have the third…sadly do not think anyone ever taught them that
Can't watch. Too many loved ones have passed, I guess.
This is a straight up accident. Anyone saying otherwise is a do nothing PoS copper or from a PoS family. These two chased an armed criminal into a building which I'm sure not one of you Monday morning quarterbacks have ever, or will ever do. I agree they shouldn't have chased at all, but ya gotta keep that cool assignment right.
BULLSHIT! Baker always wanted to be a badass! If you think your partner is down you do whatever you can to help them. Not sit on the stairs asking for swat. Baker is a COWARD! You're defending his actions, meaning you're also a COWARD! Krystal is gone & it's all his fault, I have no sympathy for him!
I'm glad the videos have been released because the people who kept telling us to "move along, nothing to see here," are absolutely wrong.
At the very least, CB should not be, nor should he have been, a police officer. They should move to fire him. No disability.
Anyone notice or think that it appears many of the comments above claiming, in summary, "this was an accident, nothing to see, move along", sound like they are written by the same person?
Screw you. It’s him, not the process or the system. FBI are all armed clerks and wouldn’t survive one night in 011, 005, or 015. Retards like him never should have been hired.
For all the cubicle warriors on this site who have never been involved in an OIS - please STFU. Hate this kid for other reasons - SURE. Use this as a teaching tool in training - YES. But don’t arm chair QB a highly fluid situation of which 99% of YOU have never been in and have avoided your entire careers (thank god). This was a terrible accident. No nefarious underlying reasons other than a terrible, terrible accident.
Another idiot. Three generations of my family were trained just fine. 125+ years combined experience in ghetto districts and no one ever had an unintended discharge, or “unfortunate” accident. He never should have been hired.
We should be more pissed off that COPA blurred shitheads images but left our officers face in the released video.
Agreed. That’s what happens when most academy bosses and trainers never did any real police work in their day. Nothing to teach outside of state lesson plans. This department continues to rot from the inside…
totally agree ?
As a former infantry Marine and CPD for 2 decades, I can't believe it hasn't happened more. I couldn't belive the tactics I witnessed on the street like going to an alarm and standing in front of the door while your knocking wtf... for all you Monday morning quarterbacks we all have a plan til the bullets start flying.
that is my question
I agree, it's haunting!
Very rough watch. How did the offender get in the door from the sidewalk but couldn't get in the door inside the vestibule until the officers were eventually buzzed in? While the officers are outside, you can hear the offender shouting for someone to buzz him in. He gets let in just as the officers are buzzed in. Foot chase is on. Up the stairs. Offender closes apartment door. Hot pursuit. CB kicks open door. Offender jumps over couch. Second offender is pointing a firearm. I never saw a training scenario like this, but then again, what mind could dream up such a scenario? But, there were plenty of street scenarios that we weren't trained for specifically but we adapted. When CB sees the gun pointed at him, why didn't he fire? His gun was already out and pointed in that direction. If he wanted cover, why didn't he go to the left? Why did he turn all the way around with his line of fire crossing in front of the partner he knew was behind him?
This is difficult because the questions are about tactics (one handed pistol holding, no muzzle control). The main questions are the finger on the trigger when not justified to pull the trigger and intent.
This.
When he had his firearm out in front of him with his finger on the trigger, why didn't he fire when he saw the second offender pointing a firearm back at him? Does the Academy now train us to seek cover when confronted with an armed offender pointing a gun at us? Not the academy I went to on Jackson Blvd in the 1990s. I do know from personal experience when confronted with an armed offender pointing a gun at you, you resort to training, which is to start firing because you are about to be killed. If the Academy will say this is what he was trained to do (to seek cover when confronted with someone pointing a firearm at him from 6-10 feet away), then it was an accident and a result of his training. Otherwise.... that is a scary thought.
Cb sitting on the third floor staircase is unbelievable. Cb please resign and move out of Illinois.
Has anyone ever seen a police officer shot or murdered, and then see the partner's reaction to that? Can anyone chime in with their thoughts on CB's reaction to seeing his LE partner killed? His partner with whom he previously had a romantic relationship but since dumped him?
Whether it was an accident or otherwise, he should be fired and not given disability
CPD fired PO Robert Rialmo, because he didn't have a phone call.
OMG what a horrible tragedy to live with, not intentional, awful accident in 10 seconds.
I believe the family requested it as part of their lawsuit
After watching it and hearing all the rumors prior, this does not appear to be intentional at all. It was poor tactics, but as he attempted to enter the apartment someone popped out with a rifle pointed right at him, causing him to jerk back and flail his arms away and bc of bad tactics he had his finger on the trigger. I understood him not going to immediately help bc he thought the guy with the rifle shot his partner and thought if he goes down there he’ll get shot too. Very rough situation and thank the good lord I’ve never been put in that situation.
Rialmo was fired for poor tactics in an OIS.
Torres and Coughlin were fired for poor tactics in an OIS.
Baker should be fired for his poor tactics. No way he should he get disability or be allowed to return to the job.
What is your point in seeking anyone else's point?
the fault of the training at the range? really? you mean baker never heard never point your gun at someone unless ready to shoot, especially your partner?
If he believed Rivera was shot from the apartment, how did he ensure it was safe to go into the hallway? He never cleared the apartment before checking Rivera. Is this how the Academy trains people now?
JRat is gonna explain what happened ? Like he knows what he’s talking about . Shame on him , shame on him , shame on him, shame on him and disgusting , disgusting , disgusting again and again .
Truly sad what occurred but why not have an expert do the video instead of him ? Hire a use of force expert to break down what happened . If he is gonna do a video at least shave , get some dental work , wear a nice suit and lose some weight while you are at it .
Isn’t it amazing how this guy uses disabled officers , deceased ones and others to push his agenda ? Now that disgusting 🤮, hey John it’s a shame that you repeatedly do this and we all know this is election season and hopefully get voted out .
Shame on you and hopefully KARMA finally know ka on your door . 🚪
I wonder how many officers who sat in roll call with Baker or worked with Baker thought to themselves, "this guy is going to get himself or someone else killed someday?"
If he had his night stick with him it would have been different Uigg I guess because it’s required now if you qualify instead of more practice at breaching doors and enteries ways
Because he is a loser.
I would absolutely be down for physical fitness someone help!!!!!!!!
Along with the other bs he’s done. Yet, still on the payroll.
No trigger discipline. He had his finger on the trigger and should have opened fire on dude with the rifle. Instead because of his poor decisions he killed her.
I hope CB gets canned or leaves. There’s no place for him here. Go make tiktok vids. Anybody who works with him IF he comes back, has no brain cells.
We have a lack of proper training for sure but this is common sense here which we all know he clearly lacks.
Yeah, I was audibly MF’ing JC as he defended him by “providing aid” yeah dude….minutes later.
Here’s what happened. He saw dude with gun. Put his finger on the trigger. Decided to retreat instead of taking him out, and clearly had his finger on the trigger when tripping over his self. Poor decisions all around.
Did you watch it on wrist watch?
His "move to cover" was some kind of spastic reaction jumping backwards and flailing your arms wildly with his finger on the trigger, is what killed his partner. Dude should get fired, all day. Find another job jerk off. Had his finger on the trigger the whole way up stairs like a fucking retard.
And this fleeing coward Baker is the guy that JCat wants to defend. Wow!
Probably the smartest comment on here yet.
Anything to embarrass us.
Agree. No heads have rolled for the officer that was killed. Everyone acts like this incident never happened.
I know many FTO's that wanted to fail recruits and they weren't allowed to do that. CPD needs a severe overhaul. Needs to be gutted but will never happen.
Same here...
Don't fire him for the shooting. Fire him for the cowardice of him waiting on the third floor! JCat it's wrong that you defended him. Defend the shooting,
(it's proactive policing in the gray area, I like it) not the response by him after the shooting.
You’re a fucking moron
So much for the sanctity of life and rendering aid….
Maybe all that tik tok time should have been in police tactics?
CB is a balless coward, plain and simple. Yeah, I said it. He created the situation with his cowboy policing. His only concern was his own safety, leaving his partner to bleed out. Then tells a civilian to "call the police". Really? Are you fucking kidding me? You are the police! You signed on to this job knowing full well what the risks were. You get your ass down the stairs and return fire if needed (which wasn't by the way) and get your fucking partner out of harms way. That's what you are supposed to do. Leave no man or woman behind. He is a coward that should be fired. Zero tactical skills and did you watch the full video? He flags responding officers multiple times with his gun that he just negligently shot and killed his partner with. In 30+ years it was one of the most disgusting displays of cowardice and flat out stupidity I've ever seen on this job, and that's saying something. This is what happens when you severely lower your hiring standard when dipping into the Xbox generation. They grow up believing life is like "Call of Duty" and they devote time and energy on making tik tok videos rather than focusing on tactics and policing. And let's not forget him while drunk, beating up an off-duty female officer at a bar.
I agree with what you are proposing however what you are saying cost MONEY, MONEY, AND MORE MONEY. Your proposal does not take into account taking personal from the field for training. I was a supervisor in the Academy just before I retired. I suggested a shot don't shot trailer for this type of training. The then head of the academy told me to put the suggestion in writing. I am still waiting for the response.
There's no reason that I see for these videos to be released. I despise the media for their agenda. Romanucci you piece of shit-rot in hell.
Retired 30+
Your comments are valid. The Dept administration is for shit. Merit hacks demonstrate each day they are clueless salary collectors. Shit has risen to the top of the Dept for years under Democrat Bosses, defund the police crowd, liberals, Socialists, criminals and media whores. The Consent Decree clearly is a money-making machine for the chosen and a rubber stamp show piece for Dems to point to and claim success. Democrats are a scourge on this city.
Tactics depend on the situation. There are seldom “ Black—or—White”/ Yes or No/ Pass or Fail Tactical decisions. There are Principles, but few hard and fast Rules
Weapons Handling, on the other hand, is an absolute Safe or Unsafe/ Right or Wrong matter. There are Rules.
With the caveat that I never fired my Revolver ( old days) or Pistol “ For Real”, even under extreme stress, I do not see how one cannot feel the recoil, hear the noise, and see the muzzle flash ( two flashes with a Revolver— Muzzle and Flash Gap between Cylinder and Barrel).
I was never in law enforcement. It does seem like many comments here are meant for the jury pool of a civil suit against the department /city. But I don't think he followed the training he was given; to me that's on him, not the CPD. Also, was CB connected /protected, that he is still drawing a paycheck?
At what point do we just say CB was the fuck up? It wasn’t any trainer that didn’t do their job. It was this fucking good that killed his partner when she was down the fucking hall and not even near him.
He should have been charged w manslaughter.
I can’t believe he applied for PTSD disability. If FOP is helping him, it feels like the same playbook used by J-Rat. If the pension board approves disability for this incident, there should be serious consequences for those responsible.
I disagree Sir, I changed my underwear this morning after a week ! Where's my merit bump !!
This is negligent discharge all day why’d he fire as he ducked away? More practice is needed for everyone not these e learnings that no mother F is doing but we’re downing cars reducing service time due to consent decree common sense e learnings that tax payers have no idea about they’re too long and no one has time to read and absorb them! Always rushed to complete them! It’s too much! How is this going to help if we’re always rushing through or doing them on our off time w no pay? RIP precious officer God sees everything and knows our hearts
CB should not have still been on the job (let alone on a tact team) to be in the position to kill his partner. That said, the dept. trains us to be so afraid of doors that I'm actually not surprised that a newer officer with scant experience was more focused on what might still be behind/through the door (which turned out to be nothing/no one) than rendering aid to his partner. The fact that he tried dragging her off of the landing when he finally came down the stairs rather than rendering aid suggests that he was still so terrified about what/who might still be behind the door/in the room (that he didn't bother to clear, that no one was in) that he wasn't thinking straight. He even kept calling for SWAT, like it was a SWAT situation. It wasn't. He shot his partner, through inexcusable recklessness and failure to follow training, then left her to die because he was afraid of a door (which was his training). Officer safety is critical, obviously. And doors/"fatal funnels" aren't nonesense. But wtf. Sometimes we have to just walk past a door to do the right thing and save a life (especially one of our own). Yet CPD is currently doing a 2-day in-service training on fatal funnels...
“ Squad, send everyone! Send SWAT and the Tik Tock Police “
Article said he didn’t know he fire a shot. Give me a break. State the detective in the area noticed one bullet was fired from his gun.
Who was in charge at the time? Ralph Cruz? Shame on him.
Jc is a coward also talks a lot of garbage. He’s a waste of space medical role abuser no FOP President come on now.
Right, dude ran inside.
Relax tough guy
All it proves is some people on this job are not cut out to be the ghetto police. Having spent majority of my career on west/south sides and spending a few years up north, I have gained a great appreciation and respect for ghetto officers. Those fortunate enough to evade the ghetto in their careers will never understand what it takes day in and day out to work under those conditions. When you there, you don’t recognize the true danger until you leave. After you leave, it is difficult to regain that mindset. No officer’s life is worth this ghetto nonsense. This incident could be blamed on many different things, but it does teach us that it takes a special kind of officer to work tact in the hood. Let’s not forget that.
Did you bother to watch the apartment camera? The one where it shows a guy pointing rifle directly at him? Thats why he immediately ducked to the left.
Failure to maintain muzzle discipline is NOT an accident. Having your finger on the trigger when you’re not ready to shoot and lawfully kill an offender is NOT an accident. Dumb Ass.
100% agree
Sad to see. He shouldn’t have been on the street let alone on tact. Who was his juice? Has DC Tate explained why he let his dumb fuck on tac? Look at how he was flagging officers coming in. How he turned his back on the stairs. Fucking shame
If you decide to kick a door in you better be ready for what’s on the other side. A fucking shame
CB you are a fool. Get the hell out of the comment section.
Baker is a hiring issue not a training issue.
Same goes with the hundreds of DEI, "Be The Change" hires.
To the fucks saying it will cost too much to implement training, I call bullshit.
Do you know many times I cleared rooms in the Marines with just some rifles and card board cut outs. Dude should of committed to push into the room once he kicked open the door, he’s only alive because the shit head pointing the gun was too afraid to pull
The trigger
"Send SWAT! Send everybody! Send Obama!"
Clown.
You’re an idiot
If they put more money into training, they would pay out less in lawsuits.
01:49:07 - you are 100% correct.
Wait. What? He applied for disability? WTF! This is outrageous and infuriating. He doesn't deserve a dime from our pension fund. Fire this guy.
The reason is because there's a suspected cover-up. There's also the prospect of this guy going on disability (taking our pension money) when he should be, without question, fired. At the least.
You know why it wouldn't happen to me? I wouldn't sit my ass at the top of the stairs and ignore my partner while she was dying. He should have been fired for that if they didn't fire him for shooting her. I thought CPD's policy was sanctity of human life. Apparently that only applies to shit heads and not one of our own.
Sure are a lot of arm chair quarterbacks out there …. Same people who say don’t do anything. If you haven’t been there then you …….
Having partner like him who needs enemies ?
Spot on!! This comment should be at the very top.
I'm glad I've been done with these dysfunctional police department.
Agreed
Wishes the department spend as much training on tactics as they do e learning.
The idiot is the commenter who says "you're an idiot" without providing a reason.
RIP P.O. Rivera - you most certainly did not deserve to have your life taken away like this. That said, after watching this I certainly have many, many more questions than answers. I will not even give this pos the benefit of calling him an Officer as that would in my opinion betray the profession. But the first question is did(or does) he actually know that he is ambidextrous?
As I said. Monday morning quarterback. Go back to dogging it in ur district.
No one gets fired for poor tactics. No one. They get fired for what COPA/IPRA calls excessive force. Stop spreading misinformation.
I really don't understand why at a minimum monthly shooting on duty isn't required by this job. Yes, we should all do it off duty as its a vital part of our job, but if it is and it is the one that can result in the greatest error and loss- why is regular on duty training mandatory? Oh I know why, because like everything else, that would require working and maintained ranges. Think of all the other silly e-learning bullshit they have us do, but not this.
CPD fired Rialmo, Torres and Coughlin for bad tactics during a shooting. What is possibly the reasoning behind not firing Baker? Other than clout.
Agreed. Especially since his gun was pointed at the offender with the gun and his finger was on the trigger. Why didn't he fire in that moment?
Absolutely true. CPD treated Rialmo like shit and put a brick on him and refused to let him go to CFD. His incident was different. I felt bad for him. He was a nice kid.
Then you......still render aid to your partner!
How on earth did Mike Tate and Yoogie Bear Talley get promoted behind this?
Another incident that the Supe was duped. He allowed his command staff to give him a false narrative.
Sounded rehearsed
Krystal should be alive.
Problematic officers should be removed from tact. They require more supervision.
Let's get something straight, this horrible incident comes down to training (yes I get CB is a goof). I don't blame CPD specifically. This is a an Illinois Democrat problem. I just sat through pure torture for 8 hours last week at some Community, Gender, Sex whatever training at the academy. I felt bad for the instructors, 90% of the class was looking at their phones the entire time. Why did we have this training???? Because Illinois said we had to have it!!!! Over a decade ago I had training for a whole week on room entry. You got shot with paint bullets that actually hurt (I have a scar on my arm where the paint bullet ripped through my shirt). You did this training with your TACT, Gang, Narcotics team. You actually learned something!!!! I don't want to hear there is no money. That's total BS!!!! The department can get money for training for anything by applying for it!!! They ask for suggestions all the time. The training wouldn't be city wide. KR and CB were on a Tact Team. They should have had more training. Training like that should be yearly. Yes once again CB shouldn't have been on a team. Yes we have way too many kids with no experience on TACT again. Nothing will change. Remember the department from top to bottom is pushing search warrants again. Just wait to see what that brings, what could wrong??????
Agreed, lots of emotional idiots, regardless of the p.o. apparently being an all around goof, this was an accident. This shit happens.
Whoever made this comment,,,you are blind or didn’t watch the video. Also stupid with no experience. Possible all 3 but defiantly stupid. He didn’t take cover. He freaked out of fear! No you can’t stay here and say millions of times. “Bad guy”? Use grown up terms u dumbitch
How was this guy allowed to join a tact team?
You can’t expect leadership to fix a problem that they are apart of. Corruption will never tell corrupt to stop being corrupt. Once you learn this you’ll be better off.
Chasing this fool with his weapon flopping all over the place. WAS IT WORTH IT?
Me too..retirement is great. such a relief not to deal with the nonsense and bullshit training anymore!!
On the range.
Call in the National Guard!!!
Did anyone else read the article where he says he is having a hard time dating after the shooting. WTF!
Mots-y from 051they are coming for you
Yelling send swat, send everyone, tells someone call the police.....Moe Larry the cheese...this guy is a fake ass tough guy who just got found out to be a sissy bitch ass pretender
thank you.
Well tik tok Johnny appeared didn’t he?
How does cantazara push baker to get PTSD disability??? He shows no remorse & goes out partying & beating up other women after killing his partner. WTF, clearly no PTSD
He should not been hired. He should not have been trained. He should not have been in the patrol car. On his best day, he might have been a mall cop or door man at a hotel
Shades of "Serpico" once you know the entire background story of Baker...
The department treated this as a “my bad” situation.
Carlos punched an off-duty female officer at a bar in Wicker Park.
Plenty of blame to go around, from bad hiring, training to supervision. No single person or issue deserves all the blame, maybe some more than others in each of our minds. Hopefully this tragedy will be a learning moment for all.
And this is why you watch the video. I know it's a tough watch but we can't let officer's Rivera death be in vain. We must learn something from it. I learned that if I chase an offender and then decide to kick the door in, that another offender may be there pointing a gun. Every officer, when given the unfortunate opportunity to see these types of OIS should do so. You may learn something that will save your life if you're the real police. RIP Officer Rivera.
Romo did everything correctly and was sacrificed as was Chauvin and Van Dyke.
That is disgusting of Chicago Scum times displaying the video without blurring out her face. If it was a shit bag they would have blurred his face, but when it’s a loss of an officer and they don’t give a f***. Fuck you Chicago Scum Times, Mayor Johnson and all you BLM scum. I pray for her soul and hope her family never views this video.
Correct.
Might not of happened if he have an older sig. A little extra fail safe aside from the finger on trigger rule.
Bullshit. The training is there, it was a matter of that training being absorbed. Now that is a student issue, not a deficiency in instruction. A bigger issue is who passed this PPO off of his status, into a newly minted patrolman? Who made phone calls to who? Because apparently he stepped on his dick while on probation. That, we may never know.
Come on compromised media, start digging, that is the big story.
SWAT ? He was the only one that fired a shot. The two guys ran and weren’t arrested for a week or two
Article said he was turned down by the commander when he first tried and when a new commander came he got on
Article said he only found out he shot her or discharged his weapon when a detective checked his gun and discovered one round had been fired. Also waiting 90 seconds to help your partner. He wasn’t dogging bullets he was the only one that fired
Wrong again
The city's elite tactical squad has high standards. The interview process can take weeks, and then only go to a select few who deserve the position.
I can't stop laughing as I write this...it's a good old boys club, and were not in it...nuff said
Aren't there classes on entry's during exigent circumstances? Something about doorways being funnels of death for gunfire? Tactical entry? CPD's technique of blunt force entry was a complete failure here. Thank you Detective (Clem) Clemmons for training us. I never forgot it.
Hey Devil Dog, take a look around you at whatever roll call you’re in. Take a look at the other roll call…
Do you trust half the people on your watch?
Half these kids are too busy on their phones the whole tour, a bunch of the “Meal-Team-6” wanna be Spec Ops with their plate carriers really like to play the part, but are usually last on the scene.
Then they think that some calls are beneath them and their “ability”.
Thankfully Im at the end and don’t have to put up with this too much longer.
Does CPD have a state of the art training simulator system for shot no shoot, like FATS machine technology(i am old)? I am guessing no but never worked there.
100% accidental from a old VC Detective. Keep in mind that this whole incident was started by a criminal doing a violent gun related felony. CB maybe should be fired but the criminal should be charged with First Degree Murder.
Faces should never be blurred. I want to see it all.
This is the solution that will make things right.
1. CB resigns. No fake PTSD pension.
2. Snelling resigns for the misrepresented press conference.
3. Head of COPA resigns for not demanding termination of CB for negligent discharge and cowardice I. The third floor landing.
4. Catanzara resigns and a new emergency election takes place for the entire FOP board that continues to back CB.
The Department has reasons for keeping gang and tact, and it has nothing to do with gathering intel, locking up drinkers, doing SWs. It has to do with sidestepping our contract. In exchange for allowing jeans and backward ball caps, tact and gang give up certain rights in the union contract, such as changing start times and canceling days off for starters.
It's true. Some early reports said she stepped in front of him. The truth is he turned around and faced her. My question is, where did that early, false narrative come from? The only probable answer is Baker himself provided that early on in the investigation, blaming Krystal for stepping in front of him. This makes sense because he was probably asked, "how did your bullet end up in her?" The video shows that she never stepped in front of him. He was in front the whole time, except for the moment he spun around across her path, instead of not firing at the threat.
Keep the wool over your eyes. Getting to the truth is what police do, even when it's ugly and uncomfortable.
Agreed. Rialmo was fired after he shot a person he didn't see who was behind a door. Torres and Coughlin were fired and they didn't kill anyone; the person they shot at was killed by another officer who wasn't fired.
Monday morning quartbacking is done on every officer involved shooting to ensure a crime did not occur. One of our own was killed so you should want a thorough investigation, and not just chalk it up to an accident. As you said, don't think it couldn't happen to anyone.
Take your 050 BS to another thread you whiner. Bid to 011 and then ask yourself how much you miss 050.
To 10:50, thank you for your comment and for reminding us this is not some academic exercise trying to figure out what happened. This is for Rivera. May she rest in peace, and grant strength, courage and wisdom to her family who deal with finding the truth everyday. And may the detectives investigating this be allowed to go where the evidence leads them, without interference from the clouted.
I don't see a problem. Showing her face makes her more human. It takes aways anonymity. It shows a real person was killed. It's sad. It's horrible. But it's real.
In all sincerity, hope you are enjoying retirement. I don't think they have the felony murder rule anymore in Illinois. I would agree with you that this was an accident but for so many more circumstances involved. Obviously the amount of comments here shows there's interest in whether or not it was an accident. The fact that the department was so quick to rule it an accident, that Baker had friends in high places at HQ, that phone calls were made to get him on tact after initially being denied tact, his off-duty shenanigans, and that he was accompanied to HQ for his interview by a clouted supervisor, his ridiculous social media, his known philandering especially with the deceased partner, all have created doubt in people's minds, especially the working police don't want the death of a colleague to be seemingly swept under the rug.
Bring it on fool!!
Thank you for you well wishes on my retirement. I am in fact really enjoying retirement. I am a very involved husband, father, and grandfather in good health. I sincerely hope that you have a great career and successful retirement as well. My main point is that I hate the fact that somehow the police are always vilified when in truth these horrific events are triggered by the actions of criminals. God Bless Krystal Rivera and all you officers out there risking your life for the citizens of Chicago.
Hey morons the reason the department ruled it an accident is because the video showed it was. That and the statements backed up by the video. It is not uncommon for an officer to not know he fired. Hard to believe but true. Just like when an officer said I only fired twice when he in fact fired more rounds often many more. Yes his tactics were horrible but he is not the only one out there. You fight the way you train is as true today as it was 40 years ago
If Baker discharged his weapon on a civilian and ends up killing the person, Baker will be immediately fired and charged.
How come it doesn't apply to Rivera? We are not above the law but we are not under it either.
That is not misinformation. If poor tactics result in someone getting killed unnecessarily, they sure do get fired. COPA might add excessive force, there's usually a whole bunch of add-on charges. You should go to the Police Board website and educate yourself about what happens with cases before the board.
006th district? Hmm. I wonder what boss said to keep him on.
Do you have any idea who that may have been Fred Waller?
And waited 90 seconds when no shot had been fired but his.
That would be a step in the right direction.
I did watch the video. He does take cover as the dude inside is pointing a fucking rifle at him. Maybe you need to watch again....
Also, I don't think the next commenter understands what a Monday Morning Quarterback is. A Monday morning quarterback "is someone who, with the benefit of hindsight, criticizes decisions or suggests alternative actions after an event has occurred." No one is said don't investigate.
An officer's life is worth nothing to this department and the FOP. S Borisy shot two officers with a negligent discharge and he got rewarded with a spot in headquarters. In fact, when it comes to negligent discharges, its better you hit a police officer than not hitting anything at all because then you won't be punished.
Your are correct about defining "Monday morning quarterbacking" but it was your initial comment that said everyone else is doing that. I agree some are using the "benefit of hindsight" but not to suggest a better way to do it. The video is giving us a type of hindsight in that we are watching in real time one perspective of what happened, not to suggest better tactics but to analyze if a fellow officer was killed accidentally, negligently, or hopefully not intentionally (the worst case scenario). But as cops, as investigators, you go where the evidence takes you. And in this case, only a few believe it was an accident.
That's what he said. At this point I'm not sure i believe what he said as to when he knew he fired.
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