Don't Drink & Drive
posted by SCC at 8:15 PM
Wednesday, November 16, 2005
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Nobody wins here, very sad and tragic. God bless both families.
"One for the road"...."one for the ditch"...."put the car on auto-pilot"....any of the other funny sayings.....they aren't funny. And that star you have in your pocket, it isn't a magic talisman. Alcohol can make a criminal out of anyone, including a copper. Don't drive if you've been drinking, Please.
So all you tough guy cops out there that think taking a bag of weed off the street is a great arrest, take a second look at the traffic car that locks up the drunk on a regular basis. How many times have you heard a copper say, "I dont do DUI's." If you are one of those guys that makes you a useless peice of shit of an officer.
IT'S SPELLED "PIECE" - IF YOUR GOING TO SLAM SOMEONE, USE CORRECT SPELLING - AS IN "TRAFFIC CAR PIECE OF SHIT." OR YOU CAN USE "PEACE" - AS IN PEACE BROTHER....A SERIOUS MATTER THAT DOESN'T NEED YOUR B.S. COMMENTS. PEACE!!
To 11/16/2005 08:58:18 PM
If you read the entire post by 11/16/2005 08:43:36 PM, you will see that this person spelled every other word correctly. Obviously, "peice" was a typo. Regardless of that typo, he/she made a very good point. So, it is your B.S. that we don't need.
I have never heard an officer say "I don't arrest murderers." But I have heard countless officers say "I don't do DUIs". Why? Is it somehow better if someone gets killed by a drunk driver rather than a bullet?
I don't do DUIs anymore because traffic major room is such a corrupt joke. DUIs should be renamed the the Ex-State's Atty Full Employment Act.
The spelling JagOff strikes again...
The way I like to look at it is like this:
1. I get the drunk asshole off the streets for that night so that he/she doesn't kill anyone. Even if it's only for that night, maybe I can save at least one life.
2. I am getting paid overtime whether the good guys win or lose the case.
3. I try not to take losing the case personally, because then I would go nuts. I just do what little I can each day. It doesn't always work out the way I want it to, but at least I can take pride in the fact that I did my job.
I seem to recall a few weeks back that some copper in 16 was getting blasted for citing a female ASA involved in a T/A while DUI. Poor guy got called every kind of MF possible. Bet this CFD Batt Chief wishes he'd listened when his wife and his buddy's told him he had a problem!!!!!!!!!!
There was a great thread on here a month ago that had all the "REAL POLICE" slamming anyone who would write a DUI as worthless and cowards. Said a lot about the mentality of many of the tough guys out there who'd shit their cargo pants if they had to face some of these gangbangers without a gang of their own one radio transmission away!
Locking up a DUI could possibly save multiple lives. Not that making that one bagger pinch isn't doing the community an incredible service. Then again, everyone knows the only reason most even make dope pinches is for the court date. Cause it never gets old hearing the exact same story repeated in court 100 times a day: as I approached the subject, I observed him drop to the ground from the left hand, one piece of white, rock like substance....
I don't think it would have been a big deal to put the A.S.A. in a taxi or get her a ride. You may continue now with your congratulatory circle jerk.
11/16/2005 10:32:11 PM
Gimme a break on the court date shit. DUI's are the biggest money makers on this job.
No, it wouldn't have been a big deal in this backwards, corrupt and decaying city.
It also was not any reason to criticize the officers or supervisors involved. Ever. You don't like law enforcement, than you should maybe rethink your career.
Mandatory weekends in detention for first time DUIs would do wonders for preventing DUIs.
I take it then that you enforce every municipal code and state law; and you do it all the time, without fail. Because if you don't, you're just picking and choosing what you think is important. That would make you just like the people you are criticizing.
And I take it that you (or whoever) criticizes anyone who enforces any law? Find. A. New. Profession.
No, I just criticize hypocrites.
Hey 10:40,
That used to be called officer discretion.
One could always use that in case of emergency. It get's the drunk of the street and I still don't have to write a 501!
(I couldn't even tell you what my major and minor rooms are for that matter!)
If you are going to drink and drive.. PLEASE WHATEVER YOU DO.. don't spill any beer in the cup holders. They leave a very sticky mess.
Define hypocrite please.
A. Someone who swears to uphold the law, but then swears at those who do.
B. Someone who doesn't drink and drive, and who doesn't attack those who arrest those who do.
C. A police officer who swears to enforce the law, but finds it hypocritical for a police officer to enforce the law and/or supports those who do and/or refuses to criticize those who do.
D. Someone who obeys the law and asks others to do the same, and who does not criticize those who enforce the law, and criticizes those who criticize those who enforce the law.
I'll give you a hint. I'm B and D, you are A and C. There is a certain and slight bit of irony in your use of the word "hypocrite". You might want to buy your bad self a dictionary.
is this traffic specialist alan mercado leaving all these pro dui messages?? dui's are important, dept. needs guys who write them. but don't mock us that don't write dui's, might have other areas of interest. every dist. has a guy who loves dui's, no problem. those are the same guys we call if we feel a guy needs a dui - their good at what they do. that doesn't make them a bad guy - unless your alan mercado (formerly from 010). 2 faced tool.
I hope none of you guys ever have to feel the personel tradgedy of what a DUI can do to your family. If it ever happens you will regret all those times you locked the keys in guys car only to find him, and the car, gone an hour later.
The ASA incident was from 012. Her drunk ASA buddies put her in a cab and payed the Cabbie to take her home. She's drunk and belligerent and demands to be returned to her car. 012 tries to help her out and has cabbie take her home.
Fine, right?
NOPE. Dumb bitch comes back to her car later on loud and drunk, yuppie residents call in disturbance, incident escalates, scary boss in 012 has the broad DUI'd
Who's to blame here?
Could more have been done for this girl? Maybe, Maybe not.
YOU know-it-alls decide.
Hey lets face it many of us like to have a few drinks from time to time. And when we do we drive home. So its easier for us to empathise with those that get stopped for DUI. DESCRETION any body heard of it, does everybody under the influence need a DUI? Do you arrest everybody with a bag of weed? If thier a jagoff give them what they got coming if not use some DESCRETION HUH. Nobody will fault you for driving sombody home . Lock the keys in the trunk.But don't put some body through a DUI case if it can be avoided
DISCRETION.
Get a clue dumbass!
How can you fuck up a police-related word?
Pendejo.
I bet you can't spell the word "homicide" either.
Mark Brown and his well educated friends must laugh their asses off when they read some of these posts with the incorrect spelling and grammar. Maybe the Department should invest in remedial English courses for in-service training.
Ask Ex Officer Casper from 005 who is about to go to prison for DUI and Vehicular Hmicide.
Wake up people the ones that are crying about DUI s are probly DUI s themselves.
In my experience, a lot of coppers shy away from DUI's because of the nitpicking details that the courts require. One step out of line and a defense attorney makes a fool of you in open court, and the drunk takes a walk. Rather than learn from the experience and not repeat common mistakes, a lot of coppers just quit doing it.
If every copper on CPD could just do a ride along for a period with Major Accidents, maybe then it would sink in that driving drunk IS a big deal.
If you kill or seriously hurt someone while driving drunk, you're a felon. And if a copper goes out on a line to save you, and it backfires, now he's in the shit.
If you want to go to the tavern, go to the neighborhood tavern. Walk home, or take a cab. Ask Ex-Det. DeLucia or Ex-Officer Krass, or any of the other coppers who didn't and now are convicted felons because they killed someone.
I think you hit it on the head.... coppers shit in their pants when they actually have to testify especially in DUI cases where there is a private attorney...however if you keep testifying you learn how to testify...how to respond to questions and how to keep your mouth shut and wait for the ASA to object...if you get really good you learn how to sneak your own comments into the matter...its a war...plan your moves...know your case...most defense lawyers think we are a bunch of morons...prove them wrong...all new recruits should spend at least 6 months writing DUIs and testifying...its the quickest way to learn how to testify in court...not " He dropped to the ground a ziplock baggie containing a hard white object......." Be Safe
If the facts are true from the 11/17/2005 05:44:57 AM post, then screw her. It sounds to me like everyone went above and beyond to help her out and she laughed in their face. In 20 years of working the streets in a district, I've done 2 DUI's and they were to cover my ass! I've driven home many more or locked the keys in their cars. But I will never critcize those write DUI's. They may have had a family member or friend killed by a DUI and this a way to make their peace. I admit I've probably driven home on occasion when I shouldn't have. It sounds to me like there's a very important lesson for all of us here.
I usually don't criticize DUI writers, but I do take exception to Burke in 022. That coward plays the Western Ave bars and has been known to write the spouses of our brother police and fire. Thats bad enough (in my subjective book) but the worst part is that he is doing this while being assigned to a ghetto beat. He is too afraid of the blacks, so he goes after his own neighbors!
Go tell him your feelings!
When I got on, 501's were treated as a joke by the department. You had to beg a W/C to long form the idiot. "No, do the tickets we'll I-bond him and call somebody to pick up his keys."
I asked my FTO after doing #12, 501 in my first three weeks, why am I doing this if it's just a tvb? "If you can successfully testify in a 501 kid, a murder trial is a cake walk."
He was absolutely right...
If you don't want to write the 501, take him off the street for 4 hours with a DOPW. You might just save a life.
FYI
Det DeLucia was found NOT GUILTY of drunk driving
i'll drink to that!!!
Question: Copper put in jail for vehicular homicide, his wife is a copper, isn't there some rule about associating with convicted felons? I would assume there's some sort of leniency regarding family members.
Question: Copper put in jail for vehicular homicide, his wife is a copper, isn't there some rule about associating with convicted felons? I would assume there's some sort of leniency regarding family members.
11/17/2005 02:08:50 PM
Due to the circumstances, and the fact that he became a Felon AFTER their marriage, that would be a non-issue for the wife.
There are a few coppers who are either married to or living with Felons that were Felons when they met. Those coppers will take some time if investigations are done on it. You don't get fired for associating with a Felon, contrary to the popular belief. That was just the political scape goat used to get rid of Matt Rodriguez.
The female officer who has been seen going to court with her twice convicted Felon boyfriend recently might have some explaining to do...hopefully!!! Unless of course she' jocking Pimp Daddy Starks, too.
FYI
Det DeLucia was found NOT GUILTY of drunk driving
11/17/2005 11:52:13 AM
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True, but was found guilty of felony reckless driving.
I see the circle jerk continues. Good work boys. Lots of lube, okay? I don't want any of you geting scabs from 24 hours of stroking one another.
I wrote the post where I asked would it be a big deal to make sure a drunk driver made their way home by alternate means. Then some guy comes on here and accuses me of ripping cops and supervisors for writing DUI's. I did not, I ripped you for patting yourself on the back from your high horse. I would like you to answer the question someone else asked. Do you enforce every municipal code and state law; and do you do it all the time, without fail? In a later post you went back to answering questions about DUI and acting like your a knight in shining armor. If DUI's are your pet peeve or your "thing", fine. But don't act like you enforce every violation of every law or code the minute you walk out of the station door. Do you lock up everyone with fireworks on the 4th of July? Those offenders are committing a crime that kills and injures people every year. Answer the maximum enforcement question before you preach from your pulpit again.
Bottom line: Det. DeLucia killed someone, is now a convicted felon and an ex-detective. I'm sure if she could do it over again, she would do it differently. We can't help her anymore, but we can learn from her mistake.
The way I look at it, it's a crime to drink and drive a car. Does not matter if your a copper, a coppers wife or Brother.
If a copper or a family member got drunk and robbed a bank would you not arrest that person because he/she was the police.
If so, you don't belong on this job.
FYI
Det DeLucia was found NOT GUILTY of drunk driving
11/17/2005 11:52:13 AM
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True, but was found guilty of felony reckless driving.
11/17/2005 03:20:37 PM
If she wasn't drunk, what actions about her driving was reckless.
Me thinks this one will be overturned on appeal.
A young P.O. John Krass from public housing was drunk and involved in an unfortunate accident that took the life of an even younger man. P.O. now in prison. Got four years at 80%.
If you write DUI's good for you. I don't and wont if I can avoid it. Yes it's a shameful thing when someone gets hurt in an accident and drugs or alcohol are involved. But the harms already done. The way I see it is the only people that profit from a DUI is the attorneys, insurance companies and social workers. Makes me feel like I'm pimping for the system. DUI's cause more harm than good. A person looses their license, cant drive to work and his family suffers. The insurance rates go up. The attorney's fees are astronomical. Then there's the court ordered evaluation and treatment, (more money out of pocket) after all the social workers want a piece.
Drunks are not the evil dregs of society. The harm they cause is not usually intentional or for profit like a drug dealer or murderer. Yes, stopping a DUI is a good thing to do. Giving him a break is a nice thing to do. The job is about helping people, not hurting them. Im not saying dont do a DUI, just not EVERYBODY deserves a DUI who gets caught drinking and driving. Remember they are called "accidents" not "on purposes".
Yeah, I sure feel ripped. Got a needle and thread gramma?
To answer your question, no, I do not enforce every violation of every law every time without fail. I'm pretty sure you would never find my body if I ever put cuffs on the people on this department and the politicians in this city who I know are guilty of illegal conduct. And you can't drive through 80% of this city without picking and choosing which criminal conduct to stop.
No matter. My point is not that one shouldn't drive a drunk home. My point is that you or some other clown(s) attacked police officers for enforcing the law. Seriously, if you have a problem with that you should resign or face firing in real life.
Did you mean what you said when you took your oath, or were your fingers crossed behind your back.
This ain't the mob blog, or the GD blog. Its not the criminal defense blog or the drunk-support-network blog. Its the police blog. The idea that ANYONE in this uniform would criticize someone for enforcing any law, no matter what discretion is involved, is beyond ridiculous.
But you say you aren't the one criticizing the police. And I ain't the one saying I or anyone can or should enforce every law every time. In fact, I don't recall anyone saying that. In some circles, what you have done is called creating a "straw man" argument. You build the straw man with your idiotic question to make it seem like I said something I didn't say.
Unfortunately, if you are a police officer, at some point you did take an oath that defines your office. If you didn't mean it, you should find another job.
HEY 723 who are you talking to?
we wont stop people from drinking and driving but before all the holiday partys please remember this. If for some reason your friends and fellow P.O.'s ask for your keys and say they will drive you home LET THEM. They arent doing it to be a jagoff to you or to embarass you. I have drivin with maybe a drink or to too many in me on occasion but if someone ever tells me I dont look like I should be driving I know I am way past .08 , Yeah I guess Im an asshole for drinking and driving but the city doesnt let them put bars on every corner nowdays and its to far to walk.i know there is no differnce in the law but being a .08 and being to drunk to drive are a world apart.
I'll DRINK TO THAT
To 07:10
All I can say is spoken like a true drunk. I hope if one of your family members gets wipped out by a drunk you will still be able to say, Oh well the damage is allready done.
You are a Jagbag
to 0710
getting drunk and driving your car is not an accident, its a crime.
An accident is if you cant stop and bump into the car in front of you.
Put that beer down and get your head out of your ass.
Drinking and driving is not a crime unless you are over the legal limit of .08, which was lowered so the state could get federal money, I will agree that you should cab it, get a ride, etc. if you are too drunk to drive.
The point about not as many neighborhood bars is true, Daley closed most of them or made it impossible to re-open if the license expired, I.E. the owner retired etc. and thus, more people travel farther distances, especially downtown. I think discretion is a key word, it's the best tool we have that they still let us use on this job; making them walk, tossing their keys etc. also prevents tragedies.
Thank you 11/17/2005 07:23:55 PM
for bringing Moses' third tablet down from the mountain. If only I were as holy and righteous as you. Please choose a screen name and check back on every thread to give us your apostolic law on what how we should be doing it. Forgive me for I am a sinner.
This should be a lesson to those young punks in 009(3rd watch)who manage to look like assholes in saloons all over town, from 009, 012, and several places in Western Avenue in 022. Being drunks doesn't make them good police officers. (I don't know if they even aspire to be good police officers, or just fools carrying guns). They constantly ignore the General Order tht suggests they shouldn't carry weapon into liquor establishments) If they feel the need to be armed in these places, they shoud drink in safer surroundings.
It will only be a matter of time before one of them shoots somebody, when their BAC is far above .008. Worse yet, it is also a matter of time before they get into an accident on the way home, and some poor working stiff is killed, leaving a family that he was trying to support.
The penitentiary is not a fun place, especially for a (former) police officer. Only after one of these clowns is headed there will the others realize what they are doing.
Im 710
To the tough guy (1024) "OOWCH!"
JAGBAG, ha .... Go change to boxer shorts, your thongs to tight, pussy.
1) I dont Drink
2) Wanna Quote me.... do it right!
I said "the damge is already done" Not "OH WELL"
3) I've lost friends and immediate family to drunks and your right, the immediate response is pure anger.
But every situation is different. Sometimes I agree a DUI is in order. However I like to give the benefit of the doubt if possible, especially if no one is hurt.
You however are the same person who either
1) will bitch when you or your family gets a DUI from a cop. or
2) is a reformed drunk now out to tell the rest of the world how to live.
If people don't believe it can happen....look up former officers on the illinois dept of corrections website.....they are there it is real
>>Thank you 11/17/2005 07:23:55 PM
for bringing Moses' third tablet down from the mountain. If only I were as holy and righteous as you. Please choose a screen name and check back on every thread to give us your apostolic law on what how we should be doing it. Forgive me for I am a sinner.
11/18/2005 09:28:05 AM <<
I'm not aware of your sins. Nevertheless, I will list 5 more Holy laws for Police Officers everywhere.
1.) If you take a law enforcement oath, quit your law enforcement position once you decide that it no longer applies to you.
2.) The thin blue line is not a gang of smurfs; rather, it is a line of people who separate society from the savages. Quit your law enforcement position once you decide that you no longer want to separate society from the savages.
3.) Law enforcement is a job for enforcing laws. Quit your law enforcement position once you cannot stomach the thought of someone enforcing laws.
4.) Drinking is involved inbetween 40 and 45% of traffic fatalities. More truly innocent and truly random people are killed in Illinois each year by drunk drivers than any other category of criminal. Quit your law enforcement position once you would rather coddle the drunk driver than protect the truly innocent and truly random victims of the drunk driver.
5. Render unto Fitzgerald what is Fitzgerald's, and render unto the Lord what is His. In other words, obey the civil laws of man and the Holy Word of the Lord, as hereby conveyed by Moses @ 11/17/2005 07:23:55 PM
The biggest reason for the apathy by many coppers, or the excuses given for not taking action against drunk drivers is that almost anyone who drinks at all has been a DUI at least once in their lives. Empathy is a big problem. And there is a reason the penalties for DUI are so great, because the cost in human lives is so great. Why is it OK to make light of such a serious problem? It would be nice to let people go, but the truth is, very few ever learn a lesson. And a few of the worst offenders are coppers themselves.
Unless you can look in the mirror and say you don't drive after drinking too much, don't act high and mighty against those who enforce DUI laws. A few drinks too many and one simple mistake while driving can make you a murderer. I know I wouldn't want that on my conscience, whether I beat the rap or not.
Moses here again.
I agree with the last comment, except the part about penalties being so great. The penalties are only great if you kill someone, and even too many of these people are back drunk behind a wheel a few years later.
60-70% of this problem would be addressed by mandatory jail penalties. Not necessarily Cook County, but the state should open up a boot-camp type weekend prison for first time DUIers. Something like DuPage county or Kankakee. I wouldn't even make it a felony, but I'd definitely publicize that IF YOU GET CAUGHT DUI IN ILLINOIS, YOU WILL RECEIVE A JAIL SENTENCE.
Nothing harsh, maybe not even reportable to employers or in publicly accessible criminal histories. More the psychological aspect of "what separates you from...".
And to add to one of your other thoughts... yes, Moses @ 11/17/2005 07:23:55 PM recklessly drank and drove in his youth. He regrets this and will offer his firstborn to the first Bush burned by God.
Anyone ever notice that every dist has a p.o. that writes nothing but DUI's (or mostly). Why is it that usually it's the same guy no one else likes. He's laughed at and ridiculed (behind his back). Ususally he's the same guy that rides the other direction from hot calls and so on. But if there's a traffic accident or a mandatory DUI situation most everybody wants him for advice or to take over the job. There is definately some irony there.
Please Moses, we're waiting on the other threads for you to tell us how its done. Please post in the latest "promotions" thread. Talk down to us about how weak we are and we should be like you. Maybe you can even shill for Daley/Cline in your post. The weak await.
Hell will welcome Moses @ 11/17/2005 07:23:55 PM with open arms before Moses will shill for the man responsible for hiring you.
To the anonymous coward, who wants to bash me. Your subjective book is nothing but fiction, i never written the spouse of a po or fire fighter. I dont how you get this type of info but before you publish it , you better make sure its accurate. Like names ,places , dates, of whom i dui, and by the way this is Burke you bewtter look in the mirror before you call me a coward, Mr. anonymous no balls. Why dont you post your name.
Sorry for the word not spelled correctly but you better look in the mirror before you use the word coward so freely mr anonymous no balls
Almost everyone hides behind the wally of anonymity because if we are stupid enough to actually post our real names, the shit would fall from the sky and land on our heads. So before anyone complains about some anonymous posting, look in the mirror. And don't talk trash about someone's anonymous posting when your posting is anonymous too! There is a word for that and it's hypocrite.
If you were to read the response , you would see i posted my real name in the body of the text The name is Burke
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