That's It, Game Over
Howard Dean says we are going to lose the War in Iraq. It must be true.
- Saying the "idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong," Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean predicted today that the Democratic Party will come together on a proposal to withdraw National Guard and Reserve troops immediately, and all US forces within two years. (emphasis added - SCC)
Of course, Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, and the Pentagon have been saying for two years that as the Iraqis step up, we will step back, which by some odd coincidence, should happen in the next two years or so, as Howard is "proposing."
Does anyone else see what we're seeing here?
As Bush begins the draw down of US troops, his term will be ending in 2008. Dean and the dems are going to be claiming that their principled objections to the war, how the war was run, and the troops losing the war are the reason we will be "pulling out" probably "in defeat" or maybe even "disgrace." What a bunch of opportunistic morons. What a group of defeatist, un-American, anti-American jackasses. And yes, we ARE questioning their patriotism.
Does anyone else see what we're seeing here?
As Bush begins the draw down of US troops, his term will be ending in 2008. Dean and the dems are going to be claiming that their principled objections to the war, how the war was run, and the troops losing the war are the reason we will be "pulling out" probably "in defeat" or maybe even "disgrace." What a bunch of opportunistic morons. What a group of defeatist, un-American, anti-American jackasses. And yes, we ARE questioning their patriotism.
posted by SCC at 2:00 PM
34 Comments:
Traitors. Every last one.
SCC-
DAMN- YOU MUST BE D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E for hits since BLOGGER screwed the pooch for such a long time yesterday.
I for one am not taking the bait this time;
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You may even have a point in there somewhere...
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NEXT TOPIC!
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Shady, where you been man? I thought you and Malcolm X's little brother have left me alone to defend liberalim.
I'll take the bait, though, I'm not as bright as Shady. Once again, the GOP'ers see a conspiracy in everything. How long after the last U.S. troop is out of Iraq will an anti-American cleric take over? I say, maybe six months.
And finally dear M, you state those who opposed the invasion of Iraq are unpatriotic. I guess you want us all to goosestep behind YOUR president and wear American flags on our lapels and hum the Battle Hymn of the Republic. I don't think that is what the forefathers invisioned when they framed the Constitution.
Dean is friggin goofy. He's a spoiled rich kid that never did anything in his life, but try one thing after another financed by his rich parents. Daddy daddy I want to work on wall st. so Howard Dean of park Ave. goes to wall street. Dadddy daddy I want to be a lawyer, so he becomes a lawyer. Daddy daddy I want to be a doctor so daddy finances his medical education. Now daddy I want to be a politician, he runs for some obscure state office and daddy finances his campaign, actually buys his election, Daddy daddy I want to be governor, so daddy pays for that, Daddy I want to be president, but alas poor Howard forgot to take his meds and came off as a screamin lunatic, the rest is history.
Greetings:
I am a 30 year veteran and I just found out some disturbing news.
For all of you who argue against the Residency Requirement saying that if the City is good enough to work in, its good enough to live in. Be careful of what you wish for.
I hear that because of all that dribble, that the City wants to eliminate or reduce your retiree pension percentages if you are not an actual resident of the City of Chicago. In other words, you cant have a mail drop in the ol' corporate limits while you retire away in Florida. It will be checked.
From what I have heard that a super secret plan is in the works. It seems the city believes as you do, that if the city is good enough to receive a pension from, its also good enough to retire in and spend your golden years in. They want you to be able to give back to the City that contributed to your pension for so many years. They want you to buy your city stickers and property taxes here not in Florida.
So a plan is in the works to amend the pension code so that it eliminates the pension for non-city residents or greatly reduces the pension benefit. The alternative plan is to argue for such a plan in the next negotiations
Be careful how much you argue for the residency requirement, you might just have to live here longer than you think!
The plan is in the works although it will not be publicly admitted.
Trust no one. Remember there are they who want to keep the residency requirement in place to keep their home values stable. No one can be trusted while this secret plan is being instituted.
Remember, this is top secret, I shouldn't even be telling you but I care. My pension won't be reduced because I will live here.
Enjoy it while it lasts, especially those who are yelling that we knew we had to live here when we took the job. Times sure change don't they.
Better get ready to stay or move back in if you want your $$$.
Happy New Year.
Ahhh C'mon Mark and The FOP Boys wont stand for this. They fight hard for us. Until we as Police officers stick together towards a comon goal nothing good will ever come our way.
F**k
Our
Police
Wow. I never thought of that before. I did not realize that when I argued for the residency requirement that I was being a selfish ass only concerned about myself.
I was never concerned about any new officers coming on and that the housing costs increased at a greater percentage than our salaries did.
I did not realize that times change and that even though I was required to live here when I came on that the possibility existed and that I would depend on artificial property values to support my retirement dreams.
Now if I have to live here when I retire, I guess times do change. I guess I never considered the possibility of a residency requirement to receive my pension just like I never had the foresight to think that maybe the residency requirement might change.
Sorry for being such a selfish dumbass.
I dont see how that is legal....but then again we are living under King Richie so what do you expect??? Its his kingdom.
there is no way in hell that is legal. this sounds absolutley preposterous!!!!!!!!!
Gee Shady, we guess when Howard comes out with something so obviously off the wall, anti-American and full of crap that he's going to turn off 70% of the electorate, even you know enough to keep your mouth shut. Want to place any bets on how many times Howard's comments are going to appear in republican campaign commercials in the next year? Looks like Bush is going to hold the House and Senate in 06 at this rate.
You know, we are almost convinced that Dean is a Rove plant. Almost.
Anonymous said...
there is no way in hell that is legal. this sounds absolutley preposterous!!!!!!!!!
You have the right to live wherever you want...you just don't have the right to collect a full pension if you do.
If you don't like it quit, and find another job that has a pension where you are not required to live in the corporate limits in order to collect it.
Boy oh boy don't these arguments sound familiar.
i don't see how they can change the rules in teh middle of the game. if they do change that rule, i will quit...keep giving up your rights to your job...next thing you know, you will not have permission to buy anything from another city or state without paying you city taxes, you will need to have a passport stamped if you decide to travel out of the city and if you f*ck your wife on vacation and she becomes pregnant, you will have to pay another tax just to get your kid Chicago citizenship...when will all you of you "if it's good enmough to work in it's good enough to live in" jag offs learn that it isn't about whether or not Chicago is good enough, but the fact that we are giving up a lot to the city with nothing but grief in return. so go ahead and say what you really mean...i think the 11th ward committeeman turned around for a second. i know you don't want to gove up that sweet sopt by making waves...you big pussy
way to stay on topic again.
I agree with Dean. You cannot claim a victory in a "war on terror" until every terrorist is dead. This would be like Cline saying, "Well guys we won the war on crime, you can all find new jobs now." Terrorism will never go away.
SCC.. I agree with you Howard Dean must be a Rove plant. The White House must be jumping up and down for joy. Instead of debating Murtha who is sound and makes valid points, they will focus on Dean. The Democrats have to dump this guy. Dean might have signed the death warrant of many more troops, in that he has bolstered the administration and the troops will be there longer.
The fact is we have already won the Iraq War. Our military objective was to depose Sadaam and render safe his weapons. Our military has done its job.
Now their task is to provide security in order for a new government to form. That is a policing job, and one not usually suited for an occupying force. Terms like win or lose do not apply. Dean is an idiot, and should be muzzled!!
I am a republican and this thread is shameful. It is unpatriotic; and you are communists bastards
1611 are do nothings & 1631 3rd watch are dogs.
Deans Daddy shuld have "pulled out", the world would have been just a little better.
Howard Dean, how did you do in the presedential primaries??....yyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now their task is to provide security in order for a new government to form. That is a policing job, and one not usually suited for an occupying force. Terms like win or lose do not apply. Dean is an idiot, and should be muzzled!!
12/06/2005 07:33:37 PM
Shouldn't the UN handle the policing job?
All the left wing mutts in the Communist, oops sorry, Democratic party are not only traitors, but worse. Dean, Gore, Kerry, Clinton, and the rest.
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More poor folks dying for the oil companies. Like it said in the musical, "Hair," war is white people sending black people to kill red people (in this case yellow) to defend land they stole from red people!
Yap yap yap. How about actually looking at the statisitics on the dead soldiers? The vast majority are middle and upper middle class white citizens. Take your race baiting bullshit elsewhere
its a good thing there are white that are dying hahaha.
Monday, December 5, 2005
Mr. Bush, have I got an exit strategy for you
GUS R. STELZER
GUEST COLUMNIST
Despite much talk about an exit strategy from the Iraq quagmire in which our nation is embroiled, the No. 1 exit strategy has not been proposed. Let me fill that void. First you have a right to know where I'm coming from.
When I reached the legal voting age of 21 in 1936, I voted for Republican Alfred Landon against Franklin D. Roosevelt. I continued voting Republican through 1980, when I founded a PAC in San Diego with my own money to help Ronald Reagan defeat Jimmy Carter.
But I didn't vote for Reagan in 1984 because of his misguided trade and fiscal policies.
Whereas the United States enjoyed a $28 billion trade surplus and only $700 billion in federal debt in the previous 36 years, in eight years Reagan piled up $1.042 trillion in trade deficits and $1.692 trillion in federal debt. That was 186 percent more than all 39 prior presidents.
I haven't voted for a Republican or Democrat candidate since because I have no desire to vote for the lesser of two evils. I retired in 1976 as a senior executive of General Motors, with responsibility for more than 35,000 employees, and have been a member of the World Affairs Council, the Institute for the Americas at the University of California, the Advisory Board of the School of Education at the University of San Diego, a Rotary Club president, etc. I've traveled widely and lived in many states.
Any CEO of a corporation who screwed up as many things as George W. Bush would have been fired by its board of directors. Here's a few of the ways:
Invasion of Iraq, which is the biggest strategic blunder and scandal in U.S. history. Saddam Hussein never initiated a belligerent act of aggression or terrorism against us. The buildup to that war was based on fabrications, deception and lies.
Death of 2,100 U.S. soldiers, wounding 15,000 more, and the death of 30,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children.
Immoral and unconstitutional trade policies that caused $2.824 trillion in trade deficits in just five years.
The worst fiscal performance in our history, piling up $2.472 trillion in added federal debt in five years en route to a major economic collapse.
Tax policies that are an insult to working people who make dividends possible but who are required to pay a higher marginal tax rate than those who collect dividends without working.
Foreign policies that have alienated most of the rest of the world.
A misguided attempt to turn future Social Security pensions over to Wall Street.
In typical arrogance, Bush said we must stay the course in the Iraq war, which means continuing his tragic record while killing and wounding more U.S. soldiers. That has no more credibility than to say a fox should be put in charge of maintaining order in a hen house after he has just created mayhem therein.
Earlier this year, Terri Schiavo lay in a permanent coma connected to a feeding tube. Her husband said she would have wanted that tube removed. But Republican members of Congress passed a resolution to maintain the tube, causing Bush to fly from his ranch in Texas to Washington to sign that legislation.
As his pen was poised to sign the document, Bush said, "If there is an error in this matter, it is best to err on the side of life."
Why didn't Bush make that same judgment in early 2003 when millions of Americans protested against a possible invasion of Iraq, as did many foreign leaders? Bush had no qualms about killing and wounding thousands of soldiers and innocent civilians.
In view of his miserable record, his arrogant lack of good judgment and his failure to understand the gravity of his record, President Bush (and Vice President Dick Cheney) should be shown the exit door with a proviso to never darken the Oval Office again.
That should be exit strategy No. 1!
I was a Republican, but never a knee-jerk Republican.
Gus R. Stelzer lives in Mill Creek.
WELL SAID!
THANKS FOR THAT POST!
I KNEW THERE ARE MORE REPUBLICANS WITH C-L-A-S-S AND BRAINS OUT THERE THAN ARE IMMEDIATELY EVIDENT FROM SPENDING TIME HERE AND IN THE RIGHT-WING-NUT BLOGOPOLIS....
KUDOS TO MR. GUS STELZER- HE CLEARLY POINTS OUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE WAR ROOM- CALLS THE PACHYDERM THE ASS THAT IT IS!
"G.DUB IS A SCRUB; CAN'T GET NO LUV FROM HONEST REPUBZ LIKE GUS (& US!)"
Way to go, Shady! Between, you, little Malcolm and myself if we can get a few dozen more liberals on this site things will really take off. Getting another liberal on board though will be hard.
Shady Douglass,
Sorry to see Jack Concannon, your former teammate, and the man you replaced as starting q.b., passed last week. A great q.b. at BC but fair to midland in a Bears uniform.
Residency is a condition of employment. A pension is not employment compensation. It is basically an annuity controlled by an entity outside city government. Our pension board, the state legislature, and probably the FEDS would have to support such a plan.
Before you suggest such nonsense please have some legal foundation to support your rumor.
Contractually the FOP would have to roll over and die, as would the Teamsters, as would IBEW, etc. etc.
If you have no respect for the FOP please remember the Teamsters and the trade unions. They still have a pretty loud voice.
Most of the soldiers, sailors, airman and marines who died and most of all service members are rural and/or poor.
Why do you think they join. A vast majority have little choice.
But that's right, I forgot the economy is burning up and we have no unemployment.
The stats are available. Please look them up.
"Anonymous said...
Residency is a condition of employment. A pension is not employment compensation. It is basically an annuity controlled by an entity outside city government. Our pension board, the state legislature, and probably the FEDS would have to support such a plan.
Before you suggest such nonsense please have some legal foundation to support your rumor."
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I would argue that the SATIRICAL post is a humorous reminder of the folly of many of the Frightened arguments in favor of the residency requirements.
Do you seriously suggest that satire must be based in legal foundation counselor?
The state has already exempted the city via a statute prohibiting making residency a mandatory subject of collective bargaining in municipalities over one million. Gee, who do you think that law was meant for. One city and we all know which one.
If the statute named the one city it would be unconstitutional on its face. Let's see, how hard would it be to get that law overturned based upon it was drafted with one city in mind.
We don't fight for it because of all the frightened soon to be retirees who say but what about MY house.
For all those who argue FOR RESIDENCY based upon the ol' if its good enough to work its good enough to live argument, then I say its also good enough to retire in. Let's all stay even into retirement.
All of a sudden those arguments are silent. Give me ONE legitimate reason for a residency requirement that does not hinder on fear and I will listen.
I don't buy emotional responses such as I knew we had one when I started, If I don't like it quit, if its good enough to work in its good enough to live in, Where would I find anything that's less expensive, etc. etc, my house value will plummet.
Those are old and are emotional and have no real foundation. The only way the property value will decrease is if everyone decides to sell at once. The city is a world class city. That won't happen according to the pro-residency people. Its a great place that people want to be.
I want choice. Will I leave? Not necessarily, but at the same time I don't want it taken forgranted that I will stay either.
Give me a legit argument. If you love the residency requirement so much and say its a good thing WHILE you are an active employee and own your home, Lets make a good thing last even when we retire...or is that too much to ask? If it is, you are a hypocrite!
If residency is good while an employee it makes sense while retired too. Spend your retirement dollars here in the big city. Don't flee. After all many of you are on here posting how we are all punks for wanting a choice. Well put your money where your mouth is. Residency in Retirement is where its at.
OR IS IT?
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HOWARD DEAN IS A DICKHEAD!
if you joined the military to fight for your country your a fool! You fight for pay and for the fun of it. God and Country ho ho enjoy the view enjoy the job....
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