Someone is Taking Time on This One
After all the video training, after all the speeches at roll calls, after the Department hammering it into everyone's head about getting from point A to point B safely, even in emergency situations, we still have one of these:
- Two Chicago police officers were hurt Saturday when their squad cars collided in Old Town. The collision happened Saturday morning on Chicago Avenue near Wells Street. The officers were responding to a call for assistance with their cruisers' lights and sirens on. Both were hospitalized in stable condition.
We understand it was a 10-1. Everyone wants to get to a 10-1 and make sure everyone goes home safe. But now we're two cars short at the 10-1 and god forbid you kill someone, or worse, get killed responding, because the Department won't back you a single iota if you are wrong.
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
37 Comments:
Amen, brother. Be safe out there.
You have to get there to help.
Were both units responding to that incident with the drunken Bear asshole John Gilmore at 7 W. Division St.
I just got back from furlo and saw a poster/notice on the bullentin board announcing a fund raiser for Rick DeFeliece at the FOP hall.
I thought Rick was retired to Missouri or Tennessee a couple of years ago, what happened?
Guy was a hell of a copper.
He got a judgement against him around 200 large, for nonsense.
Anyone from 023 care to chime in....
I met his kid..He works in 015..seems to be the Police...Good Genes
I usually agree with what you post SCC, but this was an ACCIDENT. Cop cars, ambulances and fire trucks have accidents every day. Your position that after all our training etc. it is shocking that this should happen is ridiculous. And since you probably don't know anything about these 2 officers, talking down to them like they're your children is not becoming of you or your site.
I don't think SCC was talking down to anybody, he was just speaking the truth about the way this Dept looks at coppers who have any type of crash.
Listen to this one....it seems that a couple of po's, just off probation were assigned to do the mail run in 24 on midnights. After doing it, they went to the WC, Capt Denk, and told him they didn't feel safe driving through the city to get to HQ during those hours. What does he do, tell them to get fvcked you're the police, yell at them for being cowards, no, none of the above, he reassigns it to a veteran officer. What tha Fvck! What a clown of a WC. I worked for him a few years ago, right when he got made, never hurt me but screwed with a lot of good coppers and still does from what I understand.
Howard Denk is a pushover, not an asshole.
there is a difference.
TO SCC
FROM ANONYMOUS
SUBJECT BEST/WORST BOSS THREAD
1) I think from what I have been reading it is time for the best/worst boos thread sounds to me like Queen Dean is leading the city for worst boss ever lets find out.
Opps BOSS sorry
I was taught this regarding taking an intersection years ago by my FTO, "You don't take an intersection, You earn it"
You're no help to the officer calling for assistance if you don't get there safe.
I usually come to a complete stop before entering an intersection and most times, some goof who has the green, flys through. Be safe out there.
Yeap, I brake at intersection when I have the red too, the lights and siren going full blast. I hope the POs are ok. Any idea of the Beat involved in the crash?
I learned long ago from my FTO (the Patrol Specialist) and taught as an FTO that when you get to an intersection with lights and sirens, turn yours off and listen for the other guy, the chances are good that he/she is there also.
Rick DeFelice was and still is a great copper. He retired approx. six years ago and lives in Missouri being the police. From what I understand he had a $250 thousand dollar judgement against him awarded by a jury. They're going after his assets and he is going to have to pay some shit head out of pocket from an incident over six years ago. The city washed their hands with the law suit. Not sure but I believe it's excessive force related. Maybe someone has better info. Buy a ticket to his benefit!
Your biggest risk of harm in responding to any emergency call is other coppers also responding. I always slow down at intersections whether I've got the green light or not because you never know who is blowing the red. But first I always look in my rearview mirror to be sure nobody is climbing up my ass. Then, of course, there is the asshole citizen who stops dead in his tracks right in front of you rather than pull to the side or just keep moving to let you pull around him. Nothing more dangerous than high speed on city streets. Be careful out there. . .
The bigest problem with 0's and 1A's is that if you turn your sirens on and leave them on per G.O. you CANNOT hear other approaching Emerg Vechic's!!!!!
The G.O. should reflect this issue.
fvcked you're the police, yell at them for being cowards, no, none of the above, he reassigns it to a veteran officer. What tha Fvck!
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What's their gene's like?
A piece of advice: When traveling in tandem with another police car going to a hot job use a different siren than the other car. Let him use the wail and you use the hi/lo, yelp, etc.
I have handled more than one squad car accident where Mickey The Mope said he only heard one siren and pulled away from the curb without looking.
Do they still teach that driving course that used to be by 025? If so, the recruits aren't paying attention. I was behind one the other day who busted through a major intersection going to a 10-1 without even slowing.
There is no force field around your car and you will be held accountable with the Traffic Safety committee if you pull a bone head move like that, that is when you get out of the hospital.
Howard Denk's brother Edward Denk has ruined the 011th dist tact/gang teams. He brings back do nothings..people off the desk..people out of the caps office..all people that have not made an arrests in 2 years. He has made the job unbearable. Get rid of him ASAP. He also bitches about not being promoted based on his minority status. THESE ARE OUR LEADERS.
Both Denks are shameless opportunists trying to front themselves off as Hispanics for that affirmative action bullshit.
...Howard Denk's brother Edward Denk has ruined the 011th dist tact/gang teams...
Kolman just brought him to 013.
Sorry Murph - we aren't lecturing anyone, but if you read the General Orders, the driver is completely responsible for the safe operation of their vehicle - especially when responding to emergency situations. It may have been what you or we would term an accident, but it isn't what the Department would define as an accident by any stretch of the imagination.
Just reporting the facts as we see them, and the fact is someone is going to get tagged with this one.
Ditto to post [7/23/2006 05:41:28 AM] I hope at least one of the officers who was in one of three vehicles (two squads and one van)that went through the intersection of Addison and Western with lights and siren reads this post. You where 4 deep in each of the squads and the second car was almost broadsided by a s/b vehicle, becasue, as the previous poster said, " some goof came flying (with the green) through the intersection along the right hand lane." The s/b vehicle was moving very fast as it went past the vehicle I was in. If it had collided with one of the squads, there with have been officers there with very serious injuries. PLEASE BE CAREFUL, SOMEONE CAME CLOSE TO A CAREER AFFECTING INCIDENT!
Ditto on da' DENKS!
For years they were ITALIANS, growing up.
Now, after watching the 'minority meritorious machine' promote strictly on basis of nationality, THEY become HISPANIC!
A real PIMP move if I have to say so myself.
Thanks for screwing those 'above' you that maintained their integrity, that you bumped for your own selfish gratification/promotion.
. . . assigned to do the mail run in 24 on midnights. After doing it, they went to the WC, Capt Denk, and told him they didn't feel safe driving through the city to get to HQ during those hours. . . .
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Get out of here.. You GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT???
Ya you got to be kidding ...NAME NAMES ...WHO ARE THE BROADS?????????
The driving instructors are still teaching the "peak performance driving" basics, just as the range is still teaching basic firearm skills.
But that being said, I can't tell you how often I see Officers some with under five years on, and some with more that twenty years on engaging in "horse-play" in the parking lot or locker room and pointing loaded weapons at each other while "M-f'ing" one another and laughing and joking.
You can alway's tell who the military vet's are, and which officers were civilians in their prior careers. Because the civilians are usually the hotdogs playing with their side-arms as described above.
The problem with the driving skills is they learn it once but then don't practice it or remain mindful of it while responding to calls.
They let their emotions take over and get "tunnel vision."
I was driving with a 2 year wonder once, and am not one to "backseat" drive. But on this occassion he was hauling ass down a fairly busy road at night to a hot call. We were approaching a busy intersection, our light was red, and I was thinking "Is he gonna slowdown or stop?"
I was like "Joe the light is red, watchout..slow down so I can see if you are clear on my side, you got cars coming on the right..dude look out!"
We blew right through it..probably about 50-60 mph. I was watching him, he never looked left or right, just straight ahead! (Tunnel vision)
Then he gets mad at me, and starts with the backpedaling and excuses. "what?..my light was green (denial)..so what? (acceptance)I looked anyway it was clear..(rationalization)I wasn't going that fast anyway..the other cars were stopping..blah,blah, blah.."
Finally he was like "okay..so I fucked up, sorry!"
The scariest part..I yelled "red light and brake" probably like 3 or 4 times and some other dialogue and was communicating with him the entire ride and he later said he never heard me or noticed the intersection at all he wasn't aware of his surroundings until we arived onsceen and got out of the vehicle.
Studies have been done that show wide differances in peoples level of awarness and the tunnel vision syndrome.
That is why wrecks will continue to happen!The only time that people are sent for remedial driving is when they have an accident or damage a city vehicle several times over a certain time period! (unless you're a boss, example: M.M.,who has wrecked more then one city vehicle.)They should be sending everyone at least yearly!
Race car driver Anthony Scotti wrote the book "Police driving techniques" in 1988, published by Prentice-Hall that goes into great detail about the subject!
Can someone tell me why certain p.o's think it's ok to flash their lights and tweak the sirens a few times just because they don't want to wait at a red light? When they are NOT on the way to a call? Or blow ever single stop sign? Once again when NOT on the way to a call. It's these idiots that make the rest of us look bad.
Another cop wannabee trolling? That's a civilian question! If you were the police you would realize there are many reasons an officer needs to get through an intersection without full lights/siren other than a 10-1. First, there are in progress calls that you need to get to without alerting shithead with too much siren. But maybe we should sit through every traffic light and line at a stop sign throughout a tour of duty and double our response time to calls citywide. Skipping some lights also allows you to cover more ground and therefore you have a greater police presence throughout your beat during a tour of duty. You pass by the same corner once a tour versus six times, which do you think acts as a better deterrent. Now go back to your frat and bitch about police using lights/siren to "get to their fuckin lunch,dude." There you are sure to find a sympathetic ear.
Being from 24, I know the first watch guys pretty well. The guys that just got off probation the past few months all seem to be turning into good police officers. I cant imagion any of them saying anything near that ! Bad information, or a mix up in the grape vine ! Besides, im not sure Denk ever sent a 10-4 unit on the mail run... Though I could be wrong.
I don't think I've EVER SEEN richardaustin151 at a 10-1, or an officer "requesting another car" call in my twelve years on the job.
I wonder why that is?........
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richardaustin151?.........
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Where are you supercop?
7/24/2006 01:56:38 AM, We only do that for emergency purposes or IP/Covert.
Yes everyone buy a ticket for Rick. Just remember it can happen to anyone of us. Be safe
speaking of units--who the hell keeps calling daddy up and crying about the unit and their partners its getting old...then again leave it to a female to ruin this job...
is she fom 153 and dines at arby's
hey..when you coppers become the working police...then you have room to talk...so dont make me call lt cindy(tru)
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