Armed Security Guards
From an anonymous cop (we've summarized a few of his ramblings to get to the highlights):
- I was discussing the "20 CR/12 TRR" rule that the department is thinking of instituting with a buddy of mine. The department has already been doing it's damnedest to make patrol an undesirable spot for working cops. Quotas, missions to solely generate BS arrest numbers, etc., is taking the actual policing out of police work
- What this city wants is armed security guards, and if they could disarm us, they'd do that too. Proactive police work is doomed in this city. The city wants to beat the aggressive work ethic out of the department.
- The road this department is traveling down due to political pressures is depressing. I used to think I'd do the job until they mandatoried me off. Now? I don't know if I'll stay past 25. The day of the 35 year lifer is dead and gone.
We've been reading the comments over the past few days with great interest. So has this guy and a number of others who have written to us lately. This attitude of the Department "dying" from within seems to be becoming more and more prevalent. We always heard the stories about the job becoming less "fun" with the passing of time, but nowadays it seems the fun is literally being sucked out of the job.
Can this tread be reversed? Can the Department be saved from itself? Should it be?
Can this tread be reversed? Can the Department be saved from itself? Should it be?
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
88 Comments:
Maybe off topic but it's armed security.
The city billed the Board of Education ($4000,000)
for uniformed school patrol officers assigned for 8 hrs a day, which covers 73 schools and 1 special school.
(2) Officer teams at designated High Schools.
District Sgt's. designated as Laisons to the Bureau of Safety and Security?
From Jan. 01 06 - to June 30 06
20 Guns recovered
5,508 Physical arrests in and around the schools
27,899 school absentee's slips
Grand total of officers
(207) operating 33 cars.
Now the way it's broken down it does not discuss off duty but did say Uniformed , off duty are not uniformed or at least they were not? It appears off duty is rolled in to the figure under uniformed.
http://www.marcrealty.com/
Click on Sept. and scroll down till you find it if interested.
Next thing you know they'll tell the detectives to stop beating confessions out of people. Unbelievable. Just because we paid out a million last week for someone who had a confession beat out of him and no punishment to the detectives who did it, now they're probably gonna say no more beating confessions out of people.
We have rocketed to this level since Daley took over. Needed Revenue and stats are all that's wanted. More so now then before.
Step 11, 30 years is gone, step 10, at 25 and a day makes it. I understand the hope of some and or the choice to go mandatory but at this rate it's harder to last. There's just too many pit falls and obstacles. The best you can do is to do simply try to do your job but it's become a slow nerve wracking grind and a difficult feat. Quota's alive and thriving in the open.
The thrill/joy and pride is being forced out and a lot feel that way. Maybe a change in leadership would alter it, since changing of the guard brings about change. I think we already know what the next Mayoral election has in store for us. With that sense for me, just doin my time. Does anyone else think maybe the city would prefer us to go at 20 with the 52.5% instead of seeing out 25 at 75%, sure feels that way.
At the rate the city is going they act as though Police presence is a luxury and not a necessity to the community at large.
I think armed guards is a fine idea.
Provided you do not include TRU/SOS.
They are the Navy SEALS of this department!
You know that stupid, vacuous look that you get from bleeding heart liberals, or unassuming suburbanites/tourists/victims when you try explaining the ways of the beast to them. And you think to yourself, how can someone be this fucking stupid and nieve, and still manage to survive in life. Well, we're getting alot more of "those looks" from the policy makers of the CPD. It is sad, very sad.
i've only been on six years and don't think i'll do more than twenty. nobody gives a fuck about me and nobody gives a fuck about you either.
i'm getting that engraved into my retirement plaque.
.....that is if i make it to retirement without catching 30 pending for some bullshit cr that some fuckhead whiteshirt puts on me!
I have only been out of the academy for a short time, but for a number of years before that i was a surburban copper, the reason i left the suburbs was so that could actually be the police. In the time since i hit the streets this attitude has become all to apparent. Moral has to be at an all time low, and from the little experiance i have thus far it is not hard to see why.
Every time a decision had to be made it seems that those who are in charge have their heads so far up their asses that a decent decision is impossible. The department needs a jumbo enima to say the least.
This job is no fun at all anymore. The bosses don't back you up at all. You bring in an armed robber offender and the captain says "why is your black vest over your sweater?" Instead of great pinch. I swear, i'm just doing the bare minimum to get by until i can find another job, where the employer actually appreciates the work you do.
Guys that work out there all day are complete idiots!!!
This job has become all about numbers. I think they forgot that we are supposed to be out there trying to weed out the bad citizens. They don't let us do that anymore. The people on the street have no respect for us and most have OPS on speed dial. There is no way you can be a proactive policeman anymore, just impossible. Unless you want to get yourself fired and/or sued. This department sucks so bad. The merit crap and ball less brass F'ing ruined one of the best jobs in the world. F them. The old timers gotta be screaming from their graves.
To: 12:53 Poster
To clear up any confusion over your post..I believe step 10 is 25 years as you stated. However, maxing out @ 75% is 29 and a day, NOT 25 and a day as you wrote!
Sorry to bring you the Bad news!
Sorry about that Board of Ed error, give me a break it was late.
Click on Sept. and scroll down till you find it if interested.
10/19/2006 12:25:30 AM
www.cps.k12.il.us/AboutCPS/Board/
FYI, you need 29 years on to collect a 75% pension. At 25 years
you reach the top pay level.
Now work 4 more years to reach 29 yrs. and you retire at 75%, with the best of your last 10 being
the top pay level.
"Give the people what they want." When crime especially violent crime escalates out of control because we are hamstrung by being reactive instead of proactive,the pendulum will again swing the other way. But when it does,(and it will.)We have to be SMART about how we deal with the criminals AND the public at large. CR numbers are unavoidable in police work. CR numbers obtained because of stupidity and/or ignorance are.
just do whatever the minimum is eat good retire when you can that is all
A fellow retired P/O called me the other day and told me he received a check from the City for the amount of $12.95 for being overcharged for health insurance. The case of overcharged health insurance since 2003 that the FOP handled is a disgrace. The amount overcharged claimed was approximately 20 million dollars by the FOP. The City says 15 million dollars. There are, lets say, 12,000 P/O's for the sake of argument. 12,000 into 20 million is a lot more than $12.95. You do the math. Where in God's name did all that money go??? There should be another investigation by Federal Prosecutor Fitzgerald added to all the corrupt city investigations that are ongoing. Someone please investigate this matter. We can't let Daley get away with this. As far as you young P/O's go, your primary attention should be focused on retirees benefits in future contract negotiations because your going to need it wen it comes your turn to retire.
It's about time someone put a foot in many of these officers asses. You are not above the law. You are held to a higher standard and should be accountable for your actions. Not every CR is nonsense. You think because you have a badge and gun you can violate peoples rights, I think NOT !! Good luck to you all....I'm retiring soon. hahahaha "evil laugh"
The department listed a 2007 10 hr day schedule on the automated directives right under the 2007 normal schedule. Are they bringing it back or is there a secret squirrel unit still working 10hr days and no one knows about it?
It's about time someone put a foot in many of these officers asses. You are not above the law. You are held to a higher standard and should be accountable for your actions. Not every CR is nonsense. You think because you have a badge and gun you can violate peoples rights, I think NOT !! Good luck to you all....I'm retiring soon. hahahaha "evil laugh"
Retiring from what? Being a meter maid? You are obviously not a cop. Pussy.
Anonymous said...
Next thing you know they'll tell the detectives to stop beating confessions out of people. Unbelievable. Just because we paid out a million last week for someone who had a confession beat out of him and no punishment to the detectives who did it, now they're probably gonna say no more beating confessions out of people.
10/19/2006 12:36:01 AM
If I ever make Detective (quit cheating, you fvckers!) I'll NEVER beat anyone. 1/2 way thru the "interview", I'll bring in a little boom box (do they still call it that?) and cue up some really sappy music. I've seen enough TV to know that is all you have to do and the perp will just break down and confess!
You are held to a higher standard and should be accountable for your actions.
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No, we are the ONLY ones held to ANY standards.
one tact LT said that all he wanted was bs arrests on the DOC. any arrests outside of the DOC means nothing-no matter what the arrest is for. so thats what our elite tact teams have been doing and will continue doing-arresting bust-outs for drinking and pissing. so if ur a criminal find out where the DOC is and commit your crimes outside of the DOC, you'll more than likely get away with it. also i'd like to know when 022 will make bt 2211 part of the DOC that way we'll see police cars over here other than when they're at lunch
Fox News just did a report re: the LAPD, and how gang members and others are using their system of filing complaints to get officers off of the streets (and in their system, complaints can also hamper an officer's chances for promotion). One woman in LA has filed more than 100 complaints against the LAPD, according to the report. How long before that strategy gets here?
The State Police tried, a few years ago, to fool the public by putting store dummies in their marked cars dressed in ISP uniforms. CPD has been doing it for many years, both by hiring and promoting all too many real dummies, and, in the name of ALL HALLOWED "DIVERSITY", hiring and promoting all too many persons who are either mentally,emotionally, or physically incapable of being the Real Police, or handling the difficult and multifaceted situations that the Real Police must handle many times daily. We have become a department of "Smurf Police". We are infested with maladjusted personalities, gang-bangers pretending to be cops, drug users pretending to be cops,
persons with confused sexual identities pretending to be cops,
lazy slugs pretending to be cops,
cowards pretending to be cops,
ignoramuses pretending to be cops,
thieves pretending to be cops, clout babies pretending to be cops, and an overabundance of just plain ASSHOLES pretending to be cops.
Too many from each of the above categories have been promoted up thru the ranks to the point where the CPD has become saturated with
the woefully inadequate. After 32 1/2 years I had enough of it & retired.
But I thank GOD for the hard working and honest Real Police that are still out there, "DOING THE RIGHT THING"!!! The "Thin Blue Line" is getting way thinner.
Sgt. Edward M. Kane #1111
A/5/HGS- RETIRED
To the guy who said he's looking for another job because his Capt. yelled at him about wearing the vest over his sweater:
Good luck to you. Let us all know how the new employer likes when you show up to work with your underwear on the outside of your suit pants.
Moron.
I just read the Slum-Times article regarding the patronage hacks who are raping the City with the help of Carothers, Burke, Reyes, and the other Aldercreatures.
All these A@@holes should be in prison.
I took a fall years ago..f'd-up my shoulder and neck for real(while chasing an offender). I was back in less than 3 months, surgery and all!
Some asswipe in the newspaper article takes an "alleged" fall while getting out of a vehicle and claims "numbness in my side" and gets a 6 month vacation, all the while doing all sorts of manual labor around the vacation home, with pay!
Then he acts insulted when the reporter asks him about it!
WE NEED TO VOTE OUT DALEY AND "THE MACHINE" ASSHOLES..COME ON OFFICERS!
WE MUST VOTE, EVEN IF IT'S FOR JESSE JR.
To the penis deficient poster at 10/19/2006 12:36:01 AM:
You are an asshole, or maybe you're Patty Hill! Anyway, you would be lucky to get off with a beating alone if I ever found you ya' little imp. Now go back to you CAPS office before I stop my foot and you piss in your pants you housecat.
IDIOT: (12:36.01) Just because the city forks over money to pay claims against the police doesn't mean the claims had any merit.
The Corporation Counsel's office is staffed basically with "politically connected" lawyers with little or no actual experience. So they tend to "make it go away" rather than try to actually do their job and fight the cases in court.
Your post sounds suspiciously like you are probably one of the slime ball lawyers who benefit from the Corp. Con. incompetence.
After the lawyers took their fees from the settlement the victims will receive $12.95.
The biggest crooks in the world after politicians are lawyers! That is why the plantiff's bar give more money to the Democratic Party than anyone else and that is why Democratic politicians refuse to reform the criminal justice system in either Illinois or Washington D.C.
twenty vacation days and 365 sick days from day one on the job, time acrued in lieu of money if that's your choice, have any of you ever had a real job before coming on this "job"? quit bitching, shut your fucking mouths, have some self pride and get to work. Otherwise there's a whole lot of construction work available to you. You all sound like a bunch of firemen.
Word of advice to the young coppers on the job: retire from this job when you still have your health and your sanity. Well, at least your health, sanity ain't that important.
To their fellow survivors of Hurricane Katrina who remained in the French Quarter, the attractive young blond couple appeared to be deeply in love.
Adriane "Addie" Hall and Zackery "Zack" Bowen shared a $750/mo. apt. across from Louis Armstrong Park.
Addie had a sure-fire method to ensure constant "armed security" coverage during the looting in Katrina's aftermath. A seemingly endless parade of NOPD squad cars cruised by her second floor balcony where she would gleefully flash her spectacular breasts. No bead-tossing required.
On Tuesday, the NOPD responded to a nearby upscale French Quarter hotel where Zack had taken a swan dive from the 7th floor. A lengthy suicide note was found in his pocket. It directed detectives to their Rampart St. apt. above the voodoo shop.
Inside, the NOPD found Cajun spices and finely chopped gumbo veggies next to the stove where Addie's badly charred head and extremities were found in pots on the stove and turkey trays in the oven. After strangulation and prior to cooking, Zack had dismembered his lover in the bathtub. Her remaining torso was stored in the refrigerator.
AIN'T LOVE GRAND!!!
BAM!!! - Chef Emeril Lagasse
I agree with the Mayor and for what his Police Chief's are doing. No more mean cops on the street to scare me. I do have OPS on speed dial and I will call. A gun and a badge does not make you Wyatt Earp.
We need more outstanding people like the Rev.Meeks to stick up for the citizens of Chicago. I do not know what TRR's are but will make sure I find out from OPS. 20 Crs will take care of those mean Tact guys out there.
Its not just the city, its everywhere. Would you walk in and tell a doctor, a bricklayer, or an accountant how to do their job? No, but for some reason everybody seems to know more about police work than officers because they watched Matlock or Magnum PI. Cincinatti started just doing what was required and crime skyrocketed. Believe or not, this city is on the verge of being out of control, and without us it would. The average person would S&^% if they knew all that goes on.
To 12:36 poster:
You don't know what you are talking about. The bad guy never said he had the confession beaten out of him. Also, do you know all the facts of the case? I bet you are one of those guys who is a house mouse and hasn't hit the streets in years.
Stop working for one day and send a message. Lets UNITE for a common cause. No movers, parkers, no arrests no nothing for one day I will guarantee the city will get the message.
Sounds like Chicago's turning its police force into England's.
We're doomed.
HaY 11:18:23,
At the Rate "THEY" are moving in to beat 2211, it soon will be a DOC for real.
Be carefull what you wish for. I is going to come true sooner than you think.
DUMP DALEY!!!
I worked for Mike McCotter in 012 when he was W/C on 1st watch. Now he was a BOSS. Always there when you needed him, backed the troops. Field Lt. Bill Derrig(ret), Sgt. Bob Stasch, Sgt. Duane Podborny, Sgt. Bill Dunn(all now lts. with Pod retired), retired Sgt. Richie Cervenka,Sgt. Brandon Carney. What a tight watch it was. I miss those days and will never see a crew like that again. That's when we WANTED to work. Now, fuck it. I always said I would stay til the end. It's 25 and out for me now.
TO 10/19/2006 11:18:23 AM
YOU'RE AN IDIOT
11:48 AM
Ed:
The "Smurf Police"--you've got me ROFLMAO. Both your cousin and I agree that (sadly) you're right on target.
As you so eloquently stated, my heart goes out to the REAL PO-leese out there who must suffer through all this bullshit.
Stay healthy!
P.S.: You still owe me a C-note for the time they stuck it up your ass on EXAMSCAM.
twenty vacation days and 365 sick days from day one on the job, time acrued in lieu of money if that's your choice, have any of you ever had a real job before coming on this "job"? quit bitching, shut your fucking mouths, have some self pride and get to work. Otherwise there's a whole lot of construction work available to you. You all sound like a bunch of firemen.
10/19/2006 12:46:24 PM
Above is what's affected the dept.
as well there's way to much of it in these times. Notice the foul language and insult about lack of pride. Then comes the infamous crybaby comment, followed by insults to Fireman as well. Perfect example of the type of individuals and boss's were subjected to daily while simply trying to do our job.
When someone leads off about how thankful we should all be about the benefits provided, which are actually used to lure new employees to this very day. You know it's a call-out just to start throwing insults and trash the officer's. Individuals like the above have low self esteem and use rage to mask their inferiority complex.
I won't bother to address whether or not their the police because it doesnt matter, although it might be the police hater with OPS on speed dial.
To Retired Sgt. Ed Kane: Hope you are enjoying retirement. I liked and respected you when I worked for you. You were one of the good guys. Everything you said in your thread was true. Please send it to Phil Cline.
To: 12:53 Poster
To clear up any confusion over your post..I believe step 10 is 25 years as you stated. However, maxing out @ 75% is 29 and a day, NOT 25 and a day as you wrote!
Sorry to bring you the Bad news!
10/19/2006 07:42:17 AM
We agree step 11 is gone? Since step 11 is gone and step 10 is 25, is that not now the final raise? I understand the 29 and a day. I'm missing the raise portion after 25. So it appears the final increase is at 25 but your still expected to hang till 29 an a day.
Can anyone clarify my confusion why one would need to work a full 4 extra years to max after the final raise appears to be at 25 step 10. Is there a void and you get another raise at 29 an a day but no step is involved. Does the 2.5 after 20 each yr. come into play in this equation? The compression format is perplexing, at least to me and I do think to other's as well.
Why did the city pay him a million dollars? Oh DNA evidence proved he couldn't have done the crime. He still confessed to the murder of his mother (he is mentally slow though). Anyone of you brave tough street working goof balls care to guess how much the city has paid for confessions that have been beaten out of people. Do any of you Einsteins really know why the credibility of this department is in the gutter. It's not because of OPS. It's not even because of the obviously dirty cops that have been caught (oh so easily, yet never by their supervisors).
It's all the people that have been put on death row for confessing to crimes they couldn't possibly have committed. It not's blue boys or tact guys getting these confessions. Oh no it the super duper detective division. The best in the nation. What a joke.
In the Sun Times today was an article showing a Commissioner with some balls. Fire COmmissioner Ray Oroszco is on record defending the driver of the car that struck and killed a women on South Chicago Ave. the other night. Commissioner Oroszco stood behind his guy in spite of the "COMMUNITY" (oh how I hate that bullshit term) claiming the driver was speeding and disregarded the safety of a pedestrian. That's a bunch of bull as we all know. The family is looking for a little cash from the City, that's all. Imagine what Phil would have done under similar circumstances. He would have gone to the women's church and gave praise along with the Reverend and his flock. He would address the congregation and promise the officer responsible for this horrible deed would be punished. He'd promise a training program to ensure the Police don't run over little old ladies ever again. That's whats wrong with this Department. Bosses who are capons who only worry about what Little Mayor Diddie Di Dee thinks. It still amazes me to this day that a boss like John Townsend had any thing to do with this little fool.
This job is not here in order to provide you with amusement and "fun". If you want fun go to Great America. That does not mean you can't enjoy your job, but that is up to the individual. If you want to come to work depressed and bitching about everything you can't control you will be a miserable prick. If you come to work, do the best you can, have a good attitude with you co-workers, collect a paycheck twice a month and know you are here to support your family and self you will miraculously discover that this is not a bad way to make a living. Believe it or not, if you hate this job so much it is probably because you have just given up on trying to do anything productive in your personal or professional life.
Been on this job for over 25 years and I still enjoy it—even if it does not provide me with a whole lot of “fun”. If you can’t tell the difference you life is going to be miserable as long as you wear that badge.
2:54, you put it exactly!! They worry about parkers and your dickie (w/ cargos? i forget) more than your "real" work... 8-years in, I cannot stand this department... Lets get rid of residency so I can atleast move out of this overpriced dump!
To 10/19/2006 06:59:18 PM:
Hey, thanks for your assesment of the job you fucking goof! Go back to St. Michaels House-you seem to be parroting the un-informed opinions of some fruit therapist you piss-pot. I can see right thru you Pollyanna. This job was fun and meaningful to society you candy-ass. Go sober up while the rest of us handle your fucking jobs just for fun. Boy, I'd like to kick your ass if I knew what foot post you were hiding out at.
i worked for sgt big sis,and he was old school and a real stand up guy who took care of his men,miss ya.man are you lucky you took retirement.
JOHN TOWNSEND!!!!! Yikes, Townsend NEVER worked a day on the street. A vindictive rat if there ever was one. Daley's umbrella holder his entire career. A two face arrogant pompous a-hole.
I'm no Cline lover but to compare the two is a joke. You (06-27) are the FIRST person I have ever heard say a good thing about that low life hack. You've just gota be from the 11th ward, that pest hole of hacks like you boy Townsend
06:00 Thank you people law Office for more of your never ending bullshit.
As a 20 year officer with the last few in the detective division I feel this department is doing all it can to make sure no one does anything. It is such a shame this department has become the way it is. When I first came on the job the old timers would say how much this job has changed and looking back now I know what they mean. I feel bad for the beat guts who get no credit for anything they do but get fucked with by the inspectors and any boss who forgets where he once came from. Remember a few things 1) go home everynight 2) watch out for each other we are the only ones who really care about the police 3) don't give them a reason to screw you over because it's not fun being suspended or sued.
..... in the name of ALL HALLOWED "DIVERSITY", hiring and promoting all too many persons who are either mentally,emotionally, or physically incapable of being the Real Police, or handling the difficult and multifaceted situations that the Real Police must handle many times daily. We have become a department of "Smurf Police". We are infested with maladjusted personalities, gang-bangers pretending to be cops, drug users pretending to be cops,
persons with confused sexual identities pretending to be cops...
AND THEY ALSO ALLOW YOU TO COME ON THIS JOB....what kind of a goof are you. The problem is you and other like you, for some reason you have annointed yourselves as being deserving, some sort of heroic or iconic mythical firgue. You got a lousy job and that is all...a JOB! A blue collar get up in the morning and go to work JOB. Stop making excuses for your inabilities, shortcomings and finger pointing, blaming those who don't look like you, walk like you, talk like you. "DIFFICULT AND MULTIFACETED SIUATIONS" having a hard time deciding between 711 coffee or starbucks? Remember there is nothing on this job that you can do, that somebody else hasn't already done.
To: 10/19/2006 06:00:23 PM
Are you upset because you can not pass the Detectives test?
it's disgusting in the 10 sector of 022. western ave now looks like cottage grove. these animals walk around greenwood and west beverly like they belong here. it would be nice if bt 2211 and 2212 become the DOC-then maybe 022 tact will be over here other than to visit bourbon street
The case of Zachary Bowen has nothing on the morbidly obese Nathaniel Bar-Jonah, the now incarcerated pedophile and serial killer of Great Falls, Montana.
Folks would come from far and wide to savor his delicious roasts, sausages, stews and chili.
It was only later that his dinner guests learned that the principal ingredient of Bar-Jonah's culinary delights was the flesh of murdered young boys.
I've been a detective for almost 9 years with 20 years on and you can work your ass off on investigations, get convictions and still dont' even get a verbal "nice job". I'm not even asking for the "meritorious" paper that they print up....it sucks.
I laugh 'cause actually not a lot has changed when I came on in the '80's. While working in the 11th dist (when it was fun and a lot of good people working togther on the watch) I remember bringing in a good felony pinch and brought the paper in for the watch cmdr to sign and he stared at me for a good 10 seconds and asked me what color of earrings were in my ears.
That CR plus number bullshit is harrasement. The FOP has got no balls to do anything. WTF? Has anyone in the FOP contacted anyone who got the 20 plus CR bullshit? Be honest. All the union dues you paid out is not helping one iota. A group of us are currently talking to a big time private out of state attorney to sue. and we mean sue for hundred of millions of dollars. Just to let some of you know that this situation is as bad or worse then discrimination done to women in the movie, "North Country". It might take a while, but justice is around the corner in form of a class action suit. Shame on the FOP for the cowardice it has shown so far. We spit on the very existance of this harrasement technique. We regret we had to take outside help coming from police families. Where is the FOP meeting on this situation? Shame on you FOP.
TO: 10:38:59 PM
Thank you for elevating me to the glorified status of heroic, iconic, or mythical figure. Sorry to disappoint you, however, but, in truth, I am not, and never was. I am, and always was, FOR REAL,like it or not. No big deal, just another cop who wanted to do the right thing, and did so when possible. You could possibly do so also, but from your obvious inferiority complex, I find it doubtfull at this time. Improve yourself!
AND FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!!!
John, as a former patron of "The Slammer", you know I always had deep pockets and short arms. But I promise to buy the next time I see you, which I look forward to, because you were always "The Real Police"! A claim often made on this blog by some who were not.
To Anon: No one EVER worked FOR me. WE WORKED TOGETHER! And it WAS a pleasure, I guarantee you! Thank you anyway & God bless you and ALL working P.O.'s! EK
Oh, by the way, 10:38:
Starbucks is howusay, gauche, mebbe? Too pretentious and way too expensive for this kid. 7-11 and
Dunkin'Donuts have much better coffee and a much better clientele. You sound like a Starbucks Yuppie to me. PHONEY BASTARD!
for those of you who missed it you can do 2 days at midway and 2 days at ohare in the same month, also work any day on your furlough. they changed the rules last month, good luck making any extra money if you dont have 15 or more years, thanks for the morale boost CPD.
There sure is alot of bitching going on, but not many solutions being presented.
Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.
We know FOP is not a solution (christ, they endorsed Blago knowing full well the feelings of the rank and file).
We have an election comming up. I plan on standing in the middle of a busy intersection, in a conservative suburb, in full uniform, next to a sign that reads "please vote, don't let my boss be yours".
Every ticket I write gets handed to the offender with the statement "courtesy of the mayor".
Every parker I hand to a person is only written because "the alderman called on your car, I had to write it".
I hate politics more then anything, but if I have to stoop to that level to save this job, I will.
20 cr's 12 trr's I still want to do my job. I respect guys like Eddie May who after all this time are still doing the right thing. Not these ass kissing fng's who do not know shit, do not want to know shit, and do nothing but kiss ass and write parkers. You guys need to realize we are out here for each other not some clout connected boss who will stick it to you the first chance they get.
I'm on the job and in law school. Someone needs to shut the fuck up about the detective division. They are my future (as a lawyer). The funny thing about it is there is nothing that can be done about it. There is nothing except video cameras everyfucking where that can stop it. Oh wait. They are putting videop cameras everywhere. Thanks ASSHOLES.
I worked for Mike McCotter in 012 when he was W/C on 1st watch. Now he was a BOSS. Always there when you needed him, backed the troops. Field Lt. Bill Derrig(ret), Sgt. Bob Stasch, Sgt. Duane Podborny, Sgt. Bill Dunn(all now lts. with Pod retired), retired Sgt. Richie Cervenka,Sgt. Brandon Carney. What a tight watch it was. I miss those days and will never see a crew like that again. That's when we WANTED to work. Now, fuck it. I always said I would stay til the end. It's 25 and out.
Don't forget no-bread Fred Ulleweit(ret), Tom karnick, now Capt, Eli Voulgaris(now Commander)Kevin Reppen, Lt. Jimmy Devereaux(ret)Gene Roy, (now Commander). An excellent crew of bosses, also great coppers, alot moved on, got promoted, too many to list, anyone else that was on that watch, feel free.... that was a hell of a breakfast club at Iras.........
I agree with Sgt. Kane. While I try to not be negative or wallow in self pity, one must admit that this job has changed for the worse and it's only going to get worse. Sgt. Kane was right about the type of people that are being hired. Look around buddy and tell me what you see. Midgets, people confused about what sex they are, black militants, white militants, suburbanites who have never been inside the City of Chicago except when they were partying on Rush St. or Lincoln Park, lazy do nothing dogs who only took this job because they couldn't find another one, mentally handicapped individuals, liberals, obese people, people that can't grasp the concept that this job is a calling, a way of life, a career not just a job, cowards who are afaid of people a little darker than themselves, academics who do not have an ounce of street smarts, the list goes on and on. Now not all of the people that have been hired lately fall into any of these catagories, I still see some outstanding new Officers, but it sure seems that many do.
"Can anyone clarify my confusion why one would need to work a full 4 extra years to max after the final raise appears to be at 25 step 10. Is there a void and you get another raise at 29 an a day but no step is involved. Does the 2.5 after 20 each yr. come into play in this equation? The compression format is perplexing, at least to me and I do think to other's as well.
10/19/2006 05:35:37 PM "
-O.K. Read slowly, and get your friends to help you with all the big words:
1) Your pension check is determined by taking the AVERAGE SALARY of your BEST FOUR YEARS out of your LAST TEN YEARS on the job. Anyway, that figure is multiplied by whatever PERCENTAGE you get (based on your TIME ON THE JOB). Why not use simply your LAST FOUR YEARS? Probably so bosses who are demoted, but have to work here anyway, can still pension out at there highest rank. Re-cap: BEST FOUR YEARS OF LAST TEN (TIMES) PERCENTAGE. With me so far?
2) In order for your BEST FOUR YEARS to be as high as possible, they have to be the four years AFTER you reach your highest pay rate. You reach your highest pay rate at 25 years. If you only work one month after you get the 25 year raise, then only one month of your best four years will be at the highest pay rate for calculating your pension. The rest will be at your lower, 20 year step. So, if you work at the highest pay rate for the four years following you getting your highest pay, you will have the highest possible salary number for the calculation. Unless of course you are the aforementioned boss who has been demoted, then you are probably just staying to reach a higher percentage because you reached boss way before you were old enough to retire or up the percentage by staying on until you reached 29 years.
3) You reach your highest percentage by staying until 29 and a day to retire. (You start out at 50% at 20 years, and add 2.5% for each year after that [just beginning that extra year gets you that extra 2.5%, so it would be hard to retire at exactly 50%, because you think you'd stay one extra day to get an extra 2.5% percent], which reaches the cap of 75% at 29 and a day.
4) 25 plus 4 years. 29 and a day. They meet up so that your highest base salary for pension calculation purposes arrives at the same time that you reach the maximum percentage pension that you collect. Therefore, to get your highest possible pension check, you stay until 29 and a day. (Unless of course you have the boss thing working, or you got hired before the age of 31, and you need to stick around for the health care coverage until you reach medicare age.)
Anyway, that's pretty much how it works. It would be easier with graphs, but this is really a text-only way of communicating.
I love it....the head lemming writes a blog and the rest of the lemmings go into a frenzy....hahaha (evil laugh again) !!
The Captain yelled at me, and I shit myself. "Grow some balls"
As for breakfast @IRA's, Now Sgt MN and Now Sgt MF put guns to my head and made me stop for breakfast. Playing Craps with Spike,Carolyn and BS RIP. JB, PW, SF, BM I miss those times, i miss those friends.Set em up Boyd. DS
10/19 11:39 PM
I am an innocent man. The "mystery meat" was venison. I am NOT a cannibal.
I have made repeated offers to Montana authorities to check my stool for human DNA. They have ignored me.
Drop me a line.
Bon Appetit!
Nathaniel Bar-Jonah #AO31569
Montana State Penitentiary
700 Conley Lake Rd.
Deer Lodge, MT 59722
When you have Bosses on this Job who have never had to do an honest days labor, police or otherwise, this is what you get. (Ringing Doorbells is not hard work.)
When you have bosses who grew up in the semi military influnce of Vietnam, (Numbers, Numbers, Numbers) this is what you get.
When you have Merit/Exempt rank promotions based on political cronies, sexual partners, sexual orientation,etc..,this is what you get.
Add to that the fact these people actually believe they deserve these promotions, and believe you exist to facilitate thier job, rather then they exist to help facilitate yours; this is what you get.
When you have a Union, sorry Fraternal Organization; that attempts to represent you, while working within the parameters of clout (Try playing the World Series of Poker with one-eyed jacks and Dueces Wild); this is what you get.
When you have a disiplenary process that is routinely bastardized for the scion of bosses. Examples to be offered if really needed; this is what you get.
To 2:26:08, I was running on no sleep when I posted. Shame on me for forgetting those other guys. You are on the money my brother. Great memories.
Lets get rid of residency so I can atleast move out of this overpriced dump!
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Amen, my oppressed brother!
True the fop endorsed blago without member support "Wonder who got a job with blago for family or friend?", After redaing the first post I will never put in to work "School Patrol" the new 4 hour a day O.T. plan drive to 010 in slight traffic drive home in rush hour deal with idiot moronic kids. Not worth it i want to be sure to keep my job and pension that the daley cabal are trying so hard to hurt any working copper at any time! I could care less if thses kids ever go to school it is my tax money that is being wasted to even attempt this. Why do we educate or try to educate the illegals who if we were in mexico we would be arrested and put in prison. But here no daley will not allow police to ask if they are here illegally no blago wants to even give them driver's licenses to go along with the free insurance for medical, free link card, free rent hey they cut our mediacl and raise our taxes but give it all away to people that do not want to work or want to but are illegal which puts a huge strain on the working folks. Sorry for the rant!
Way to go Ed Kane.
I interviewed a guy in 011 today, a beat guy. He did a search warrant that I was interested in and was writing another search warrant when I arrived. I have 33 yrs and was impressed with this guy, he's the "real deal" doing "police"work. A real organized, street smart pro. Glad to see that there are some still out there. I asked him how he found time to do search warrants assigned to a beat car and he said "great bosses!" So I guess all is not lost.
TO:
Sgt. Edward M. Kane #1111
A/5/HGS- RETIRED
10/19/2006 11:48:58 AM
AMEN, Brother! Well put. I've been preaching that same theory for some time now.
Again, for you 'working coppers' out there, keep your chin up [pride] and your head down [preservation] and remember that YOU have the honor and privilidge of 'working' [if applicable] with some the Finest in the Nation, right here on the CPD!
As stated by Sgt Kane earlier.....'Remember Our Thin Blue Line!'
anonymous said...
To the guy who said he's looking for another job because his Capt. yelled at him about wearing the vest over his sweater:
Good luck to you. Let us all know how the new employer likes when you show up to work with your underwear on the outside of your suit pants.
Moron.
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Get back to writing CRs you fuckstick sgt!!!!!
-O.K. Read slowly, and get your friends to help you with all the big words:
Got it but there were no big words within your text wise guy. Thank you anyway for taking the time to respond and lay it out though It was appreciated.
There is alot of anger and frustration out there I see it in the writing and on the faces of the officers in street. I am a sixteen year veteran who has never been promoted, and has seen some idiots get white shirts, because of the buddy system. We as officers need to be together on certin things,like the way these promotional tests are given, and how we are never given what are the right answers, or what are answers they are looking for on these tests.
Our order (union) has let us all down in some respects. I will not defend them either. We must make the changes ourselves, we must unite and rise to the challenges in front of us. Enough is enough, this city, this system, has done nothing more than trample our rights, and kill our morale.
All you people who say you will not vote for Daley, do you think Jesse Jr., "Shakedowns" baby, would be any better. "The devil that you know my friends."
Let's get the fat cats out of our representation, let's elect some people who know how to do business for all of us, not just for themselves.
More importantly we need to look out for one another starting right now. For the police.
Sign me up under looking out for police.
Sgt. Gogo in 012 is a stand up guy...doesn't care about much and backs up his people....nice to see from a new Sgt...at least he has some balls...can't really say anything bad about him he takes care of his people...
To 10/20/2006 02:26:08 AM
If you knew Bill Dunn Senior you would know where the son got his smarts from. The old man reverently referred to a "Patrol 990" was as stand up a boss as the CPD has ever produced.
Rest in Peace Bill there are those among us who will always have found memories of you.
A sergeant once yelled at me..I became enraged and yelled back..He shat himself! (or is it he shitted himself?)
Oh fuck..I dunno! Have to go take my meds now!!!!!!
As for breakfast @IRA's, Now Sgt MN and Now Sgt MF put guns to my head and made me stop for breakfast. Playing Craps with Spike,Carolyn and BS RIP. JB, PW, SF, BM I miss those times, i miss those friends.Set em up Boyd. DS
Nobody ever had to put a gun to your head to stop big daddy!
say what you want about eddie kulbida, but memorial day weekend...28 people off on saturday and 31 on sunday. Find a district that'll let that fly. runs his watch like a tact team. Plays favorites yeah, but loves workers
To the king of b.s. arrests - Sgt 1969. Numbers man. Could care less about quality. Has his guys do worthless piches just to make himself look good. Pathetic!
Total copmpany man. Thinks he should be merit because of his bulls**t degree form Lewis. If he's so smart (he's the only one who thinks so)why not do better on the test instead of lobbying with every boss he knows to get merit. Boo Hoo.
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