Review of Blue Light Cameras
Channel 2 News does a piece on the impact cameras may or may not be having on crime.
- As CBS 2's Rob Johnson reports, the unmistakable blue flashing light signals to those living or walking through a specific neighborhood that someone is watching. But three years after being introduced in Chicago, just how effective are they?
- Critics of these cameras contend that they are creating a big brother state, but authorities say there's no expectation of privacy on a public street corner.
Go read the whole thing. They interview a couple of "upstanding" citizens who don't like them and a couple of yuppies who do. Privacy issues are raised along with the fact that another $1 million is going to be spent on these things next year alone.
Pretty much your typical news fluff piece.
Pretty much your typical news fluff piece.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
59 Comments:
If we install all these camera's in high crime areas, won't we still need cops and beat cars responding to whatever occurs on camera?
So we will need more cops watching the cameras and more cops in high crime areas to respond, right?
Does anyone have any actual numbers regarding arrests and or clearups that these cameras facilitated?
THOSE CAMERAS ARE A WAST OF MONEY. "YEA, SQUAD CAN YOU ASSIGN A CAR TO HANDLE THAT DRINKER IN HIS VEHICLE, HES BEEN THERE 2 HOURS DRINKING FROM HIS 40oz." MEANWHILE JOE IS SELLING HIS SHIT A BLOCK AWAY, ON THE SPOT. THIS CAMERAS ARE ALMOST AS BAD AS CAR 3H. "SEND A CAR TO MADDISON AND HOMAN, 10 TO GO." THANKS FOR THE BULLSHIT ARREST. POLICE WORK AT IT'S FINEST. MEANWHILE AT THE DISTRICT THE "GOD SENT", TRU UNIT SGT. AND HIS TEAM ARE SITTING AROUND THE STATION KILLING TIME ON BULLSHIT.
new on the job, amost two years and simply love it. i get sad when its time for check off. i have a very fruitfull personal life, so im not one of the guys that this is all they have, this is what i want to do. this is what i crave. i work in a very busy district, i could care less about hte citizens there, but i do care about what happens on the public way. thats why i do what i do. i believe this job is a calling, and those who do it for the paycheck are the ones that are miserable....the wicked run when nobody is chasing them, and the righteous purse
Off topic but entertaining politics, a bit on Bryne and Daley early days. You will get a kick out of O.W. Wilson comment. Type in Jane Byrne remembered. I used yahoo search. the Author is Hanania an old City Reporter. There are two entries, the Introduction and then the Part 3 of 3. For those of you who are too young to recall or original out of towner's, the article demonstrates and tells the story of how the Chicago Machine game was and is played some things never change. Old timers will also get a kick unless your related, oops. You will laugh and awe, enjoy the 3 of 3 part.
Before I turn in there's a question regarding the article and the last paragraph which was the whole bland, empty story. Police? Which, who, what, dang, where? The unk Police referred too, more or less were quoted as saying. (They can't say where the additional camera's will be placed because it's a Homeland Security issue.) I thought the city said in the article the cameras are coming out of asset forfeiture funds.
So Here's the real question. What's this have to do with a Homeland Security secret? Do people buy this sh%t all of the time? May as well said, we don't want the dealer's and every other criminal insect getting a head up, before were able to do a little Shake Um an Wake Um, Winka, Wink. Homeland Security! who are they kidding! Current Journalism realm and their source's, Boooooo, tomato toss, SPLAT.........
no we wont, we can get the new robo cop thingamajig to respond.
but first we'll have to load it on a truck, find the guy to operate the remote, drive to the location, unload the gizmo, set up the with the remote control, turn it on, arm it with a weapon, send it off to the scene moving at less than -10 mph and hope it doesnt topple over as it climbs the stairs, and then be utterly amazed as the offender(s) mearly leap over it and escape, AND thats only if they havent already gone home and been asleep for hours by the time that thing arrives at the scene.
sheeeeeesh
All the cameras do is highlight so-called "high crime" areas. There go your property values and any sense of security you might have. You can't hardly see anything on the videos anyway and cops sitting around the station watching "video games" are not out on the street patrolling. Waste of time and money.
Any trurth to no more "C/I" warrants unlesss your C/I is registered? Also, all "John Doe" warrants will require John Doe to be interviewed by the W/C before going to the State/Judge?
new on the job, amost two years and simply love it. i get sad when its time for check off. i have a very fruitfull personal life, so im not one of the guys that this is all they have, this is what i want to do. this is what i crave. i work in a very busy district, i could care less about hte citizens there, but i do care about what happens on the public way. thats why i do what i do. i believe this job is a calling, and those who do it for the paycheck are the ones that are miserable....the wicked run when nobody is chasing them, and the righteous purse
Wait to you hit five years kid, you will say fuck it!!!
THOSE CAMERAS ARE A WAST OF MONEY. "YEA, SQUAD CAN YOU ASSIGN A CAR TO HANDLE THAT DRINKER IN HIS VEHICLE, HES BEEN THERE 2 HOURS DRINKING FROM HIS 40oz." MEANWHILE JOE IS SELLING HIS SHIT A BLOCK AWAY, ON THE SPOT. THIS CAMERAS ARE ALMOST AS BAD AS CAR 3H. "SEND A CAR TO MADDISON AND HOMAN, 10 TO GO." THANKS FOR THE BULLSHIT ARREST. POLICE WORK AT IT'S FINEST. MEANWHILE AT THE DISTRICT THE "GOD SENT", TRU UNIT SGT. AND HIS TEAM ARE SITTING AROUND THE STATION KILLING TIME ON BULLSHIT.
Those cameras are actually of excellent quality. When I was in 011 we would use them, one guy sit inside and watch a spot and call them in, when something happened, request it be saved and watch Joe squirm when presented with it at trial, a slam dunk; most guys don't have the patience to use them though, it's a shame too because most don't think they actually work and are dummy cameras, alot of times they look right into the camera and still deal.
As far as 3H, get over it, if she rolls by and wants someone locked up there is a reason, she's a good boss, she rides around with 1100, whos great, I don't hear you complain when he calls for a few to go.
Enough with TRU already, you must be jealous, obviously when they are in the station sitting around they are processing and waiting for lockup, get over it and worry about yourself,real filmore rangers don't worry about what others are doing.
Did anyone read Mary Mitchell's article from today yet? She makes me so sick, I don't even know why I read her crap. She's again talking about "the poor black youths who are wronged" she actually dared to write "HAD THESE YOUNG MEN BEEN SUBURBAN, WHITE, AND FIRST-TIME OFFENDERS, THEY WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN GIVEN A STATION ADJUSTMENT". This ignorant B*tch!!!! Yes, because the law allows us to process offenders based on race. She's talking about the 3 m/1's who attempted to rob a m/2 in hyde park. Also in the article is "THE ...POLICE DEPT. NEEDS TO BE MORE SENSITIVE, THAT'S WHY THE JAIL IS NOW FULL OF BLACK FOLKS.." Maybe because they commit crimes, hello!!!! Enough of my ranting, she just makes me so angry and constantly makes the police look like sh*t and I'm tired of it. If there was a racist white columist writing anything near what she writes, they would never be published, it's F%cking ridiculous.
I'm waiting for Gort our new robot to have a blog
i could care less about hte citizens there, but i do care about what happens on the public way.
11/21/2006 12:52:21 AM
This is what's so scary about this job, this person carries a gun. God help us.
new on the job, amost two years and simply love it. i get sad when its time for check off
I was the same way 10 years ago. I didnt like my days off. Now I cant stand to be at work because of the nonsense of this job. Answer your calls and go home. Laugh it off collect your check and enjoy your family.
How many calls of gunshots have these blinking xmas tree light cameras generated? NOne that I know of. Its all bullshit to get the olympics here.
What good are the things if you have to be within view of the camera? In my opinion it defeats the purpose. If joe sees you then business stops. No arrests, just calmness on that corner until your called away. I guess that's a plus in the city's eyes. Or they move it around the corner. I have made arrests with the assistance of the camera on some occassions. On top of that, you have to stick this huge antenna thing outside the window pointed towards the damn thing. Again it defeats the purpose.In my district four of the cameras are not working at this time. Maybe we could send in robocop.
At the corner of Ashland and Armitage, the reaction was also mixed.
"Hopefully it will make the crime rate drop and that should justify everything," said Jeff Coates.
"The neighborhood has changed a lot, but that's due to gentrification not because of the cameras," said Jerry Galan.
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Ashland & Armitage?? There is no gangbangin going on over there.
"I think the cameras are bogus," Jesse Scott said. "Because you know that makes it easy for people that aren't doing their job."
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Can someone translate?
"These aren't cameras that invade your privacy going through your front door, going through your front window, things like that," Trotter said.
Boy, is he well spoken! No wonder he get's 2 pensions ontop of his $160,000 salary......
Anonymous said...
new on the job, amost two years and simply love it.
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givee yourself another 3+....
Hey, wake up! The cameras have NOTHING to do with security, either
Homeland or otherwise. They are a money making contract to give out to politically connected friends of the Hall.
Anyone ever go into CLEARPATH and check the status of the cameras ? Over half of them do not work, and a work order number is attached to it. Smoke in the mirror, just like every thimg else the city does !
Dude that wrote the comments posted from 12:52 to 6:14,
Put the bottle down. Step away from the keyboard and get a life.
If I had that much time on my hands I'd lick my balls till my tongue bled.
There is a camera on every corner street light in 018. There not there to lower crime they are there to fuck the police. A call this week was dispatched by a dispatcher who was monitoring the cameras and observed a woman damaging a vehicle. It is not the blue flashing light cameras that I am referring to. It is the hundreds and hundreds of cameras that Homeland security and the CPD have that can and are accessed down at OEC. LET'S SEE FIRST GPS THE CAMERAS IN CARS THEN THE ABILTY TO WATCH AND REVIEW YOUR EVERY POLICE ACTION THAT SOUNDS LIKE CONTROL BARRIERS TO CONTROL OFFICERS. BOY LET'S TAKE THE GREY AREA OF POLICING AWAY FROM OFFICERS AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUCK SOME MORE COPPERS. I DECLARE A WORK SLOWDOWN. THE CITY JERKS US AROUND FOR A LITTLE OVERTIME BUT CAN DISH OUT HUGE MONEY FOR CAMERAS. WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO HIRE ANYMORE OFFICERS WE WILL JUST ADD CAMERAS. I CALL BULLSHIT!! WAY TO GO PHIL JUST MAKE SURE THE KID GET'S BARS AND SCREW EVERYONE ELSE.
12:52:21
You are a stroke
one word for 11/21/2006 12:52:21 AM--LOSER
they put one of these blue lights on a corner in hegewisch. it came strictly from CAPS meetings and the one guy who has a business on that corner was complaining about the teens hanging by his store. no one watches it. it is basically a big private security camera for this asshole's store. if he doesn't want rif-raf in his store, then he shouldn't be selling 25 cent chips and juices. now there are a lot of coppers who live in hegewisch with the stigma that they live in a ghetto. i guess we'll all have to go to mt. greenwood (grass is always greener on the other side).
Wait and see when the Fourth of July comes around and you're shooting off fireworks, automatic ANOV to your residence, parking violations, pissing in an alley, youre caught and gonna pay for it..the future and BIG BROTHER "RICHARD" are here to stay...hahaha (evil laugh). Soon to retire and move to the burbs. More grafitti on Archer Avenue, got to love it...I'm sure it will be cleaned up before the Olympics.
Where are the gunshot detection cameras? I have never been informed of a gun shot via the cameras. Has anyone else or is this just another BS ploy the city is using to explain the lack of PO's on the street. The more high tech we get the less coppers we need. That is CLINE's stance.
How about the Bullshit inflated arrest which are "said," made near a pod. Some Districts say they make over 100 arrest on pod missions for a month. (BULLSHIT) There's no fucking way. You have to have it on camera to count!
TO: 11/21/2006 09:56:45 AM
As a Youth Officer there is no way in hell I can Station adjust a robbery. It is just Mary pandering to the liberals. Don't let her get you down, she is what she is, a Racist. Keep reading her. You should always know what the enemy is thinking.
Why is the city donating Ambulances to Honduras via request Ald. Balcher? Are the Ambulances actually paid off?
Has anyone seen these cameras work yet, or even talked with any of the coppers that oversee them? Are these cameras under the control of Strategic Services unit? Maybe Try the Mobile Trailer at OEMC 2nd wtch only, 3 pm is too late you know where to find their number.
Those cameras haven't caught nothing but pigeon crap. You request the video and by the time it turns around, the crime already happen.
"There is a camera on every corner street light in 018." - 4:27:50 PM
Surely you jest. For openers, can you identify at least three locations in the ten sector (North Ave. to Fullerton) where there are covert cameras?
We will exclude all flashing blue light pods and the stop light cameras, none of which are in the ten sector.
Ummmm, you can view into windows. Should you? Absolutely not but what happens as you rotate the lens trying to catch on to a focus to blow up the street image, etc. it's a bit of a quirk and guess what? Training starts some where and inadvertent errors occur. Or is no one watching these cameras at a remote location at all and they just depend on rewind? Doubt there's many working the unit but lay odds. It's one sweet gig and someone is suppose to be watchin and zoomin. No rocket scientist needed for camera work, some of you probably saw the various camera image overlay at the news site. Each overlay including hidden over lays should have the ability to zoom by the remote operator and I mean ZOOM. Privacy concerns are to be considered legit, whether people realize it or not. Where will this stop is probably the future perception thoughts of some of those interviewed and not. Read the news Oak Lawn on red light cameras seems Oak Lawn is getting more as well. Also looks like some CFD trucks and Ambulances have cameras and recorders on their vehicles now.
Anonymous said...
Did anyone read Mary Mitchell's article from today yet? She makes me so sick, I don't even know why I read her crap. She's again talking about "the poor black youths who are wronged" she actually dared to write "HAD THESE YOUNG MEN BEEN SUBURBAN, WHITE, AND FIRST-TIME OFFENDERS, THEY WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN GIVEN A STATION ADJUSTMENT". This ignorant B*tch!!!! Yes, because the law allows us to process offenders based on race. She's talking about the 3 m/1's who attempted to rob a m/2 in hyde park. Also in the article is "THE ...POLICE DEPT. NEEDS TO BE MORE SENSITIVE, THAT'S WHY THE JAIL IS NOW FULL OF BLACK FOLKS.." Maybe because they commit crimes, hello!!!! Enough of my ranting, she just makes me so angry and constantly makes the police look like sh*t and I'm tired of it. If there was a racist white columist writing anything near what she writes, they would never be published, it's F%cking ridiculous.
11/21/2006 09:56:45 AM
Jerky ass JAG OFF the 3 people who did the crime, was charged/indicted....the victim could only recognize the offenders clothing and race at the time of the incident. So PO's acting on that information grab all of those KIDS who were in close proximity of the incident........I guess it piss you the fuck off that the ones that actually did the robbery excluded those who were release/drop charges because they didn't do anything.......maybe you would rather locked them up JUST because they were Black and in the immediate area..........real jerk
To all the assholes who talk shit to the new kid who has two years on the job, well I pity you and all of you better look for another job. I wish he/she never rides or even meet you people because its people like you who can corrupt this kids mind and turn him/her into something just like you. I have 20 years on the job been to 5 district,north, south, east, west and special units name it and I still love this job. Always looking forward to go to work, always having fun and excitement. All you people do is whine whine and whine, show some appreciation and teach him/her something good, he/she will be supporting your pension in the future. Dumbass!!!!
10:44:
Clearly you are not a regular reader of Mary. My point was not, about the wrong kids getting picked up initially. My point is that this ignorant bitch is constantly bashing the police anytime anything involves a black offender including ones who ARE GUILTY. It's always a race issue with her. As I quoted, she specifically said "if they were white, they prob. would have gotten a station adjustment" But hey, maybe you are a fan, if so, you shouldn't be the police you are cleary as ignorant as she is
The cameras are a godamn joke!!!
A murder happened in 022 last summer. POD camera caught the offenders fleeing the scene and getting into a car. The camera focused right on the front of the car as it was fleeing the scene towards the camera. Full view through the front windshield of the offenders car and the front license plate.
Unfortunately the quality sucked so bad that the video could not be enhanced any further to read the plate number on the car or get a clearer picture of the offenders faces.
I bet if they ran a red light on Halsted the red light traffic camera would would have snapped photos of the license plate and their faces. Clear and sharp enough for all to see.
See, just more smoke and mirrors for the public. The city won't put any money into any quality technology unless it can generate revenue. That's a fact!!!
It's just another gizmo showcased by the city with limited capability that will captivate and appease the masses.
Hey 11/21/06 10:44:55,
Why don't you learn how to talk before you start to berate someone else. You're probably another of those "Mary Bitchell" apologists who think that she is right about the alleged injustices suffered by todays black youth. If todays black youth weren't running around and stealing everything in sight, maybe people would feel differently about them. (Whites AND Blacks)
Two years on the job, I'm starting my twenty first year and still look forward to going to work evryday! This job is what you make of it, keep your head up and stay safe, have fun.
As I see it, cameras accomplish two main feats, both of which please the city...
1. Pushes dealers around the corner, or at least makes them a little less conspicuous to passers-by who don't know any better. Smoke and mirrors.
2. Causes the working copper to slow waaaay down. Seeing as how the cameras are usually at dope spots, not as many dop pinches are made, which in turn means that there are less reports generated, which in turn means that there are less statistics generated, which gives the overall false apperance that crime is down. Crime is NOT down, the police just are not proactive under cameras. As in any job in any field, would you want a supervisor TAPING you at work? Common conversation at work..."see that guy by the blinkey? I bet he's dirty! Cant go through him under that damn thing! Where's lunch?..."
the hell with those cams. you never get any info from dispatch regarding info seen by the camera's.
it's all a shmoooz. the bad guys bought it in the begining but now, they sling right under the cams with no fear.
hire more police. fuck the camera's. the camera's aren't used by the city to help da poleez but they sure will be used the first chance they get to fuck over a cop.
to the person who said you use the camera to get arrests. thats great, really. now if only they would allow the police in each district and unit to view each and every cam in place. go online. pull up each area, then pull up each particular district. what a dissapointment. you can ONLY view very few cams in each district.
Like i want to watch the auto pound. like i want to watch the park after hours or the cam that catches the sides of 3 brick walls.
yada yada yada. GO TRU
those overpriced blue cameras are great!!!!! crime is being taken care of in one southside district--POD missions. numerous hypes pissbums bustouts or whatever else u call em are being incarcerated for selling loose cigarettes. that area is so safe now thanks to the cameras and the elite tact officers that monitor those cameras for felonious cigarette seller, i just might move to that southside district.
Hey, anonymous (7:23PM), what are you talking about? To anyone who has never lived in Hegewisch, it sure LOOKS like a ghetto to me!
It's just one that happens to be more vanilla than chocolate.
From 10:44:
”Jerky ass JAG OFF the 3 people who did the crime, was charged/indicted....the victim could only recognize the offenders clothing and race at the time of the incident. So PO's acting on that information grab all of those KIDS who were in close proximity of the incident........I guess it piss you the fuck off that the ones that actually did the robbery excluded those who were release/drop charges because they didn't do anything.......maybe you would rather locked them up JUST because they were Black and in the immediate area..........real jerk”
Wow. Is there a button on your computer marked “Random Word Generator” because ME NOT UNDERSTANDING YOU WORDS WRITING. I did, however, enjoy your performance in the film “Quest for Fire.”
I called noted linguist Noam Chomsky and read him your posting. All I heard over the phone was a gunshot.
RE: Youth officer "station adjusting a robbery"
And you can't S/A an adult (he's 17).
You cant really blame Mary Mitchell for always harping on the black thing. She'd be unemployed if she wans't F-1. Her columns are written with a boring sameness; Bottomless stupidity about what she is writing about and above all trying to bring race into ever aspect life. She hates you if you are not black. Get use to it. Pity her.
To: 11/22/2006 07:49:22 AM
You made me spit up my beer laughing.
there is no comparison between hegewisch(hog wash) and Mount greenwood, other than white police officers live there. hog wash is a shit hole laoded with gang bangers and section 8, its a neighboorhood on the way out. Mount greenwood is the last far south side neighborhood thats liveable for whitey.
Well as far as the cameras are concerned - THEY DON'T WORK!.
Try to make out a face or a license plate from the images. Most are not manned. They rotate usually away from the action. Not worth the money.
Lets expand on the 11/21/2006 09:56:45 AM post
Perhaps Head Apologist - Racist - Head up Her Ass - Completely Ignorant to Reality - Sun Times Columist Mary Mitchell should take the time to digest the following:
Based on figures from the US Census Bureau African Americans comprise approximately 13% of the population. The last time the FBI had the stones to issue crime statistics based on race we found that blacks committed 51 % of all part I crime in the US (FBI Statistical Review July 1986). Since then, politically correct politicians refuse to allow statistics of this nature to be published. Approaching the issue from a common sense perspective we can assume this population percentage hasn't dropped. To the contrary, it is not a big leap to assume that more likely the raw numbers have raised proportionality with the population expansion in the black community. Let’s see if I have this right? A little less than 13% of the population is most likely responsible for over 1/2 of the crime in a society. According to Ms. Mitchell logic my bringing this forward qualifies me as racist. America wake up. Let the liberals assume the responsibility for a failed social experiment that allows members of the African American community to walk away from their responsibility based on the events of 200 years past. There is not one person in this country who has been "DIRECTLY" affected by slavery. BLACK AMERICA stop the bullshit and take that chip off your shoulder.
Here's a little tip and clue from OPS to you. . .
If you get any kind of CR# at or near a POD location, OPS is ordering up the POD tape for the hour before and after the alleged incident.
Just a little FYI for you all to keep in mind.
let me tell you this, you can put up a million cameras on the west side and it still isn't going to stop shit. the real money is in the red light cameras that jagoff daley put up to 'decrease accidents' but in reality are just there to generate revenue to put up more flower pots, speed humps, traffic circles, etc. as soon as the general public realizes that this mayor doesnt give a shit about the public but rather only cares about what buddies get a city contract, the better off this city will be. as far as the two year wonder: get a grip ass-wipe. this department wants you to bust your ass everyday but when push comes to shove will only stick it in your ass. get with the program moron. also, regarding the total retard unit AKA TRU: i've never seen a bigger bunch of hand job coppers in my life. three years on the job, mostly spent in softball districts, and walking around the west side like they know whats up. one bagger weed pinches and vehicle impounds. hey TRU: STICK IT!!
flashing cameras with plate scanning capabilities, GPS, and dashboard vid. It's all tools used to force a young dept not be like those who came before and gave CPD the respect it has. All this job wants is empty holsters and whats left of that old school tact man to leave.
I for one am not angry the cameras do not work properly. It was gettin to be a pain motioning to the girls on Armitage to, "Go around the corner". They're really not that bright and I hate charades. I for one will wipe the mud off my plate and pull right up the next time I want a date!Thanks for the heads up! (get it)Heads up.
Senior Casanova
i've never seen a bigger bunch of hand job coppers in my life. three years on the job, mostly spent in softball districts, and walking around the west side like they know whats up. one bagger weed pinches and vehicle impounds. hey TRU: STICK IT!!
I don't know who you are kidding, I was a Sgt. in 011 and saw plenty of the cool tac guys walk in with one rock or weed and an impound all the time, but from the way you sound, you must have brought in kilos all the time. It's funny, before TRU everybody talked the exact same shit about SOS......
get over it already,
Former (011)
Anonymous said...
there is no comparison between hegewisch(hog wash) and Mount greenwood, other than white police officers live there. hog wash is a shit hole laoded with gang bangers and section 8, its a neighboorhood on the way out. Mount greenwood is the last far south side neighborhood thats liveable for whitey.
11/23/2006 12:31:35 AM
Not so fast there...I agree that Hogwash is not exactly Orange County, but Mt. Greenwood is on the way out too...remember the racial beat down in beverly park a few months ago where two m1 teens put a m2 teen in the hospital because he is white? (that was their quote in the paper)
And there more than quite a few non residents milling about western, Kedzie, and 111th street. There were some passers by on the way home to Dolton last weekend that got out of their car and started fighting in the street at 97th and Pulaski before getting ran over by a car.... what the heck is going on down here?...If this keeps up, I'm out. I'll be renting up north.
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