Planting More Guns
That's the only explanation. The jury certainly ate it up (Channel 2 coverage):
- Now, almost four years later, Ware's mother and her attorneys have won a wrongful death judgment from a federal civil jury. The City of Chicago has agreed to pay $5.25 million in damages.
During the trial, before federal judge Joan Lefkow, attorneys for Ware's mother argued that the victim, who was shot six times from behind, was in fact, unarmed and that police placed the weapon in the car later.
"People from all walks of life spent a week of their time listening to the evidence and concluded that this gun was planted,” said Jon Loevy, the Ware family’s attorney.
In-fucking-credible. In this day and age, planting a gun at a crime scene. People still believe this shit. Not only believe it, but are prepared to award damages based on it.
We'd sure like to see which city, county and state politicians this lawyer makes contributions to. $5.25 million based on a justified shooting. Channel 7 also has coverage.
We'd sure like to see which city, county and state politicians this lawyer makes contributions to. $5.25 million based on a justified shooting. Channel 7 also has coverage.
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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Sounds like the same jury that acquitted Orenthal J. Simpson.
what I'm wondering: a) what kind of job did the lawyers for the city do putting on their case?; b) what rulings, if any, were issued by the judge that may have limited the city's efforts to introduce evidence favorable to their case?; c) why didn't the judge eventually overrule the jury (i.e., take the case away from them); I mean, where was "the evidence" that a weapon was "planted"? What planet are these people living on?.....
Look who the verdict came from, Joan Lefkow.
This is the same scumbag who was demanding that taxpayers pay for a state of the art security system for her house and 24/7 US Marshall protection.
How much money do you make Joan? I am willing to bet a lot more than us. No one is buying us anything or assigning us bodyguards!
Get over yourself, you are NOT on the US Supreme Court.
Way to not let in the crucial evidence that portrayed this shitbird as he truely was, a shitbird.
You disgust me.
Well my friend believe it.( Happens )if your not aware I feel for you, get a clue.
Will, the City even appeal?? Or just let it slide?
Plaintiff's lawyer
HEY SCC, NOT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT B U T:
REGARDING RULE 14 VIOLATIONS, HOW BOUT A LIST OF EXEMPT AND COMMANDING OFFICERS, BOSSES ETC... THAT HAVE A RULE 14 VIOLATION.
IF A P.O. CANNOT GET INTO A UNIT W/ A RULE 14 VIOLATION THEN HOW CAN A BOSS, EXEMPT RUN A DIST. OR UNIT WITH ONE ONE THEIR RECORD?
INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!!
Did anyone really expect anything less from the city of Shitcago. We will fight tooth and nail for a lousy contract and they hand millions to the families of criminals who get killed committing criminal acts. What a fucked up city. We are plagued with incompetent leadership.
The judge refused to let the city produce evidence that this piece of shit had been involvedd in a shooting incident THE DAY BEFORE!
I enjoy planting guns, that's how my summer is spent. When the weather gets nice, I spent hours carefully cultivating Guns in my garden and when they reach full maturity, I carefully harvest them. I then spend an afternoon in my basement canning them in Ball Jars to preserve them. I then distribute them to all my POLICE friends for future use as "DROP Guns" to plant on people.
You can tell which drop guns come from my garden by looking at the glass jars they are in. Mine all have lables that read, "Officers..In case of emergency, break glass and place in close proximity to the subject you wish to "put a case on"
The small print say's: "May not work 100% of the time nor in FEDERAL cases"
ALL my drop guns come with a Money-back guarentee!
Newsflash…
This just in. Newly enhanced video from the Zapruter film definitively shows that Chicago Police officers assassinated John F. Kennedy and John Burge framed/tortured Lee Harvey Oswald. To cover all of their tracks, the Department enlisted a mysterious man only known as Seiser disguised as Jack Ruby to murder Lee Harvey Oswald. That is possible, isn't it?
I hope everyone on that jury or one of their family members is a victim of a horrific, sadistic crime. Karma is a mo fo.
Not too long ago, I was involved in a law suit where the planitiff was represented by Loevy and Loevy. During the conferences and depositions, I asked the Corporation Counsel, (who's name I won't mention) why the City settles so many police related cases. The corporation counsel told me that in the 15years that the particular attorney had been working for the city, a trend had been noticed. I was told that juries were much more anti police and less sympathetic to us, and more sympathetic to those that were suing us than in years past. What a sad commentary on the way that things are now, and explains why the Corporation Counsels office does some of the things that they do.
Incredible! More money to the gang banging thugs! What bullshit! We have mara georges who is obviously dumb as a stone and her whole political crew who have no idea how to properly try a case! More pension money gone! Medical goes up because the alderthieves and crew give everything away! WHEN YOU VOTE THIS MONTH PLEASE VOTE OUT EVERY ALDERTHIEVE AND VOTE IN ANYONE ELSE, DID YOU SEE HOW FLOP DID NOT EVEN ENDORSE ALL THE COPPERS THAT ARE RUNNING FOR EXAMPLE CHUCK MADIA IN THE 23RD WARD! GUESS MAYBE HE COULD NOT PAY OFF DONOAHUE AND COMPANy!
Thats why we should ban guns. Arm our PO's with tazers! Disarm the many to save the few...
Officer Vasquez may you rest in peace. I have an idea. I say we start a fund at the CPFCU and put a bounty on the head of the shithead who did this. If every copper donated $1 or 2 dollars to the fund we could have $20,000, in addition to the $21,000 reward.
You must be a deskjockey if you don't believe this has happened in the past. P.S. to let you know a little secret (wink wink) it's still going on. Get some time on the job.
Joan Lefkow!!! didn't someone try to assinate her, but instead took out her family?
I mean, where was "the evidence" that a weapon was "planted"? What planet are these people living on?.....
Cause the people said so, mvthafvka!! We talkin bout $5,000,000!!!! They can do sum lyin!
Incredible! More money to the gang banging thugs! What bullshit! We have mara georges who is obviously dumb as a stone and her whole political crew who have no idea how to properly try a case! More pension money gone! Medical goes up because the alderthieves and crew give everything away! WHEN YOU VOTE THIS MONTH PLEASE VOTE OUT EVERY ALDERTHIEVE AND VOTE IN ANYONE ELSE, DID YOU SEE HOW FLOP DID NOT EVEN ENDORSE ALL THE COPPERS THAT ARE RUNNING FOR EXAMPLE CHUCK MADIA IN THE 23RD WARD! GUESS MAYBE HE COULD NOT PAY OFF DONOAHUE AND COMPANy!
2/13/2007 07:48:00 AM
That's the only explanation. The jury certainly ate it up (Channel 2 coverage):
Now, almost four years later, Ware's mother and her attorneys have won a wrongful death judgment from a federal civil jury. The City of Chicago has agreed to pay $5.25 million in damages.
During the trial, before federal judge Joan Lefkow, attorneys for Ware's mother argued that the victim, who was shot six times from behind, was in fact, unarmed and that police placed the weapon in the car later.
"People from all walks of life spent a week of their time listening to the evidence and concluded that this gun was planted,” said Jon Loevy, the Ware family’s attorney.In-fucking-credible. In this day and age, planting a gun at a crime scene. People still believe this shit. Not only believe it, but are prepared to award damages based on it.
We'd sure like to see which city, county and state politicians this lawyer makes contributions to. $5.25 million based on a justified shooting. Channel 7 also has coverage.
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM on Feb 13, 2007
Guys and girls it has nothing to do with how the case is put on, this case was presented fine, the judge ruled that the city couldn't introduce evidence that the pos was involved in a shooting and vehicle pursuit the day before or why he was even a paraplegic- a gang shooting! had the jury heard that evidence they may have come to a different decision, if they agreed to 5 mil there will be no appeal. Alot of these cases settle early on when it becomes appearent thst the cost associated, i.e depositions, hiring experts etc, is more than what they offer and usually payout, the juries do believe the city and police less and less, count on more than 90% of all these cases to settle. Sad but true.
Tip, I only plant BB guns. Just break off the orange tip and they look like the real thing, much cheaper also. Always keep 2 on hand in case more than 1 person in the vehicle.
Well the pizza boys are next in line. Hey DJ spin that wheel, they have nothing to lose. That shooting was justified also so I guess they will be paying out on that one. And I can see the response from the city now during the contract negotiations, we can't give you a raise we had to pay out millions because you shoot people.
In your rush to impugn the integrity of Judge Lefkow, whose husband and mother were murdered by an unhappy litigant, the attorneys and the jury, you overlooked one very significant piece of evidence --- THERE WERE NO PRINTS ON THE GUN AND THE GUN APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN WIPED CLEAN!!!! Please tell me how you would have ruled in light of that evidence.
Please also tell me who had a greater motivation to lie or plant evidence at the time of the incident?
Also a settlement agreement waives any right to appeal. There will be no appeal of either the Judgment in the liability phase or the monetary settlement.
off topic..how many civil law suits has purple shades cost the city?
The city wanted to settle the Anthony Porter suit by giving him millions, but the private attorney ;who happen to be black, said hell no we can beat this and he did. Anthony Porter got what he deserved, ZERO. Judge Lefkow is a moron. You have to take some responsibility for your own safety. Like security doors, alarms,motion sensor lights etc. etc. Librals are sheep happily going to the slaughter house, unfortunately they like to take us with them. They freely give the keys to the fox so as not to offend.
WE ARE IN A WORLD OF SHIT!
Anonymous said...
Look who the verdict came from, Joan Lefkow.
This is the same scumbag who was demanding that taxpayers pay for a state of the art security system for her house and 24/7 US Marshall protection.
How much money do you make Joan? I am willing to bet a lot more than us. No one is buying us anything or assigning us bodyguards!
Get over yourself, you are NOT on the US Supreme Court.
Way to not let in the crucial evidence that portrayed this shitbird as he truely was, a shitbird.
You disgust me.
2/13/2007 12:13:00 AM
You sir, are an idiot. Dirtbag broke into her home and murdered her....oh never mind. You're an idiot. You wouldn't understand.
They will soon be living in palos hills, Escalade in the drive way, no less than 30 friends over at all times, blasting 50 cent, and shooting hoops while getting drunk on O.E. and Hennesey. Anybody wanna come over for a barbecue. We is just like you now. Soon the nicley manecured landscape, will be a mud puddle, and nickle bags of weed will become avaliable.
To the person who keeps posting in the previse threads that you can not have a gun with you when drinking please reread your orders. No place does it state that you can not have a gune when drinking, it only SUGGEST that you do not have it
The bitch mother said, "i'm glad my son got justice." Justice? Your glad you got 5 million dollars. I love it. How many parkers have to be written to cover this one.
Maybe the FOP should start hiring high priced defense attorney's(the ones who win at all cost's) to represent us, after all they did take our twenty million in interest from us when we were in contract negotiations.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN SPENDING YOUR CAREER IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT HAPPENS WITH GUNS & DRUGS ?
they'll come out and tell you that its cheaper for the city just to settle out, than to pay for attorneys and fight the case through a long and drawn out trial and "maybe" win the case.
what a fucking crock of shit. what msg are you sending out. file a bs lawsuit and you're gaurenteed moola. no matter if your case is all made up, you win!!!
how about fighting each and every case. it wont take long for it to turn around the other way. before you know, liars will know that cant just file a bs suit and think they'll win.
Just as an example, the affidavit prior to a cr investigation is proof on the wall. make these fucking liars that are getting a cr # on officers just as a revenge tactic be held liable if it is found that they are full of shit and alot of the bs cr's stop. It's cut the amount of cr's obtained by I'll bet 50%..
I have to go, it's snowing outside and I want to make sure my stock pile of drop guns are well oiled so they won't rust :-)
I'm going to try to plant a drop gun garden this spring like post = 2/13/2007 07:20:00 AM.
Hey SCC,
Your website is not banned from Department computers anymore.
This city makes me sick! How about throwing a million into the reward for Officer Jose Vasquez who was murdered yesterday? Or, how about helping out BRYAN VANDER MEY who was used as a scape goat and has lost his home trying to pay and defend himself against the savages.
I know it's going to be hard to treat this question as not coming from some agenda, but why would it be hard to plant a gun at a crime scene? I simply don't understand what you're getting at. It seems as though it would be not so different from any other crime. With all the resources that go into investigating bank robberies, you'd think people would choose an easier path, but there's been a rash of those recently reported. What's different about planting evidence?
Gee, when you call the police, just say they got guns and man, those fool cops come running.
I suppose that the next time I catch a guy for PSMV his lawyer will use the "DROP CAR" defence.We all know the coppers cary drop cars in their back pockets for just such an occasion.
This Judge would not allow testimony that a gun was recovered at the scene. Not on his person but outside the auto. This info came from Corp. Counsel that handled the case.
OK- the poor mother on TV last night just got 2 thirds of 5+ million dollars.
Now what? Snicker snicker snicker. how long till its gone? Let me see about 3.8 million settlement to the mama.
Now the family come outta the woodwork all with thier hands out. I forsee shopping trips to da mall, a bunch of new cars, Dinner for family and friends at Red Lobster. Not to mention an open ended account at Harolds #28.
Ive witnessed it. Albeit on a smaller scale.
Doesnt it still have to go thru the appeal process, and be approved by the City counil/aldercreatures?
NEWS FLASH THIS JUST, THE JIMMIE HOFFA CASE HAS BEEN SOLVED. NEW JERSEY MOB BOSS (TONY -THE PRO-PROVANZONO ) ALONG WITH THE MYSTERY P.O (AKA SEISER) CURBED HOFFA 'S LIMO , PLANTED A GUN ON HIM AND THEN LIT HIM UP. AND WHERE IS HOFFA'S BODY NOW? A YOU SAY STONE PARK,ILL.
I do not want to come off as a racist...but, other than an athlete or entertainer, how many gang members, which the young lad was, are worth even a million dollars??
I know Tank Johnson, GD, millionaire, and Snoop Dogg, Crip/Blood whatever, but really, 5 million?
Before you jump all over me, answer this question. What if he was white, and maybe an Ambrose or 36-er....would he still get 5 million.
Momma does not care - she just hit paydirt.
Down here at 35th Street we finally got some good news" Cline is retiring as of May 1st. Then comes June 1st which is the day Starks is going to leave. This will be a heated time since Georgis the prodigy is picked to take the top spot and HiraM WILL BE No#2. Wod down here is Huberman is going to run for Alderman next election and had ideas of running for Mayor but Daley's huys persuaded him to hold off and told him Alderman 1st then worry about the top spot.
You know what's interesting about Lefkow? When she travels, the POLICE have to meet her car, the POLICE have to escort her to her gate, and the POLICE have to make sure no one bothers her...the POLICE guarded her house, the POLICE escorted her children...the POLICE get kicked in the ass.
I LOVED the comment on the gun garden!!!!
The judge may appear to be master and commander on her chamber, and she really almost is, but she must craft her decision within the existing federal statutes and the law of evidence. The law of evidence, as given life within the Federal Rules of Evidence, is extremely complex. The issue here would be evidence of prior bad acts covered under F.R.E. 404(b). As much as you would like to enter evidence of prior bad acts to show propensity-that they did it before and they must have done it in this case-it simply is not legal. You can get the very same evidence in for the limited purpose of showing motive, plan, lack of mistake or to ipmeach the credibility of the witness. In this case the would be witness is dead so no impeachment. You just can't bring in evidence because it might helpt the police
Kudos to the unidentified off-duty Ogden (UT) PD officer who shot and killed Solejman TALOVIC, age 18, after the Bosnian refugee went berserk, murdering five citizens at the Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake City. Ogden is about 40 miles north of SLC.
A great argument for retiree concealed carry (H.R. 218).
What was the reason that Chuck wasn't endorsed? He is a good guy with sound ideas abut his ward.
Any speculation on a possible motive for the mass murders in Salt Lake City?
This is so sad--as usual, the city caves. Glad I'm outta there.
We salute the heroism of off-duty Ogden, Utah police officer Ken Hammond.
I Hear due to the recent snow the Mayor signed a contract for 10 sno mobiles to be used across town. New computers and cameras are to be installed.
not a bosses kid said...
2/13/2007 07:20:00 AM
BEST POST EVER! ...cultivating guns, lmao!
Just curious. What will happen to the officers in this case?
Actually, what has happened to them? Have they lost their jobs? I hope not.
to: 2/13/2007 12:33:00 PM
It is actually much harder than you might think. Just for a moment imagine that you tried to do that right after a Shooting. As soon as the shot are fired half of the neighborhood is outside wondering what happened. A lot of them actually walk out with cameras and video recorders. Now with camera phones you have no idea who is watching you. I have been on the Police Dept for almost 20 yrs and I can honestly say that myself and those who I have worked with would not put our careers, house and freedom on line by planting evidence not to mention my family. In the case listed I was actually on the scene after the fact and The gun was there. The Offender was known to carry a gun, was involved in a shooting the day before and there were 911 calls that he was driving around with a gun and had fled in his car an hour before the shooting. Also he was a known gang banger and was paralyzed by another gang during a drive-by. I hope this helps. One thing I have learned over the years court has nothing to do with right or wrong, It is the better attorney. And it is much easier to be a defense attorney. We and the ASAs have to tell the truth. they do not, they just have to try and get their client off.
society gets the police department it deserves
Anybody have a spare .32 H&R topbreak,im out.
Motive for mass murder? What?! Okay, how about the guy was a self absorbed asshole probably with mental problems. What is there to understand? The guy got what he deserved, when he deserved it. No, he actually deserved it immediately after he let go of the first shot. Dummy, there are some things that you don't have to understand. You just have to know that they are. You probably wanted the guy wounded and taken into custody so we could see what made him tick. Assholes like you make me sick. I bet you grew up in the suburbs. Motive for mass murder? LOL you really got me shaking my head. How can some people be so naive?
Cline will still be here at least until the end of the year. Put that in the bank.
Judge Lefkow had a tragedy befall her family and who did she turn to? The CPD.
Then in lawyerly style she stabs the coppers in the back. What did anyone expect? Afer all, she's a lawyer.
Now she and all the other political hack federal judges demand that the taxpayers pay for expensive alarm systems in their homes because they feel threatened..Guess what judge, you asked for your position and got it through you political clout..being threatened goes with the job.///
I wonder how these pampered hack federal judges would feel about paying for alarm systems in homes of every cop who gets threatened?
Mind You they were offered an insulting sum 25g, when they countered with an offer of 1mil the City said see you in court, instead of cutting their losses.
Now it's a 5mil payday.
You Urban Warriors need to keep in mind, a private law firm was hired by the City(most likely an Outfit connected firm)to handle the case. It's just billable hours with the obligatory kickback to the Powers that Be. The taxpayers including US get stuck with the bill.
"THAT'S THE CHICAGO WAY!"
Slightly off topic.
Who is the judge at the Daley Cemnter civil courts who berates officers trying to sue the city over injuries and the like.
He is supposed to have said, "Oh just another police officer trying to sute the city, well this case is going nowhere."
Judges & lawyers are the scum of the earth-especially Loevy lawyers!
Sounds like you had a very bad day, 10:07 PM--such an acrimonious and judgmental response to the 5:03 PM ("72 virgins") poster.
Solejman Talovic, the 18-year old shooter has been described as a Bosnian refugee.
Since Bosnia is predominately Muslim, it begs the question whether this wacko may have been a Muhjadeen martyr wannabe motivated by a personal jihad against "the Great Satan".
If so, this could offer a plausible explanation for such a seemingly inexplicable random massacre of innocents.
THERE WERE NO PRINTS ON THE GUN AND THE GUN APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN WIPED CLEAN!!!!
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12 years as a VC/HGS Det. Well over a hundred guns submitted for laser or latent. One hit for a palm print. Thank God it from a police shooting. You've obviously been watching C.S.I. I bet I couldn't find 5 good prints from you inside your home.
To the posters that stated they were the real police and that we plant guns like it is a habit, you definately are not the police, just haters. Any police worth a damn knows what the real story is, and lies told by civillians shouldn't be tolerated, just gives more fodder to anyone reading this site looking for a story.
im sure that utah cop is glad he doesnt work for cpd. off duty, kills an armed gunman who killed 5 people. if he was cpd cr# , lawsuit, suspension , TRR, behavior intervention- just in case IAD discovered a 'pattern' ,or personal concerns . what if the armed gunman was black then thered be protest and u know how the city mayor and pd bows down to protests and black reverends
how do u know the gun was wiped clean????????
this attorney is extremely harmful to the police. have been deposed by his firm and it was not a pleasant experience. give him a jury in cook county and even a shooting that would easily make it htrough a roundtable might look questionable in court. with less than 10 yrs on this job i'm rapidly coming to the conclursion that defending a citizenry that would happily screw a p.o. in court just isn't worth it. go to your assignments , complete your reports; all the other stuff (surveillance, search warrants, vehicle pursuits, flying to hot jobs) just isn't worth it in a city that routinely screws those willing to sacrifice themselves for it.
THAT IS THE CLIMATE LETS ALL KEEP GIVING THE SHIT HEADS WHAT THEY WANT. I CANT TELL YOU HOW SICK THIS MAKES FEEL. THE POLICE SHOULD ALL SIT BACK AND LET CRIME TAKE ITS TOLL.
Northside,
While I agree with the possibility of an Islamic factor in the SLC massacre, odds are that the PC media won't even go there.
Time will tell.
Same story with the senseless murders of (white) Officers Cook and Wood in all-black suburban neighborhoods.
Finally gotcha, Northside!
Try "MUJAHIDEEN" next time.
sup. cline said the piece of shit's gun was used in a HOMICIDE and that jury should have heard ALL EVIDENCE!
as far as his bitch mother she got that money which is her "justice"
UNBELIEVABLE FUCH THEM
Anonymous said...
THERE WERE NO PRINTS ON THE GUN AND THE GUN APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN WIPED CLEAN!!!!
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12 years as a VC/HGS Det. Well over a hundred guns submitted for laser or latent. One hit for a palm print. Thank God it from a police shooting. You've obviously been watching C.S.I. I bet I couldn't find 5 good prints from you inside your home.
2/14/2007 01:14:00 AM
BRAVO. YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. THAT A BOY! TELL IT LIKE IT "REALLY" IS. I CANT COUNT THE AMOUNT OF TIMES WHETHER A BURGLARY, SHOOTER, CAR JACKING. WE CAUGHT THE OFFENDER RED HANDED AND PRINTED THE CAR, PROCEEDS, GUN OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE TO MAKE A BETTER CASE AND GIVE THE DEFENSE ONE LESS ATTEMPTED OUT BUT WE GOT NO GOOD PRINTS. EVEN THOUGH WE SAW HIM DRIVING THE CAR, RUNNING WITH THE TV OR HOLDING THE GUN. THATS THE TRUTH!!!!!
SO WHAT IF THEY GOT NO PRINTS FROM THE GUN. ITS A NORM YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
"To the posters that stated they were the real police and that we plant guns like it is a habit, you definately are not the police, just haters. Any police worth a damn knows what the real story is, and
lies told by civillians shouldn't be tolerated, just gives more fodder to anyone reading this site looking for a story."
Got Some demons that need exercising, wrought w/ guilt for bagg'em up, so you can be a Dope Court tuffguy only to watch 90% of your cases go NPC. YOU'RE A BARGAIN FOR THE CITY, KEEP YOUR BENEFIT TIX WHEN YOU'RE 30 PENDING
I lost a UUW trial about 5 years ago. I had witnesses and had recovered 3 guns from the gangbanger. Anonymous phone call led me to him (on a public street) and his hidden guns under a hood of a broken down car. Eyewitnesses who saw him put the guns there came forward and gave statements to the ASA and testified in court. Jury found him not guilty and we were able to speak to the jury after the verdict. A nice little old lady told me that it was impossible for the shithead to have put the guns there because there were no prints on the gun. I explained that it is extremely difficult to get prints from a gun and she replied that she did not believe me because "They always recover prints on CSI". No bullshit, this happened. Then the judge informed the jury of his lenghty rap sheet for weapons violations and armed robberies and the juries mouths dropped. Oh yeah, they had already found him not guilty! Gotta love those bleeding heart liberals who watch too much tv.
I work the traffic car , in my west side district. I handle mostly traffic accident, dui, and when there is squad car chase, the aggravated fleeing eluding. I always caring in the trunk of my squad car a whole duffle bag full of guns. You never know when a drunk driver may become, violent and I may have shoot him, right in the middle of a busy intersection with hundreds of motorists with camera cell phones.
The problem is the "CSI effect". People watch these shows thinking that prints, DNA and other evidence can easily be collected and matched from a crime.
"Wiped clean"? This is just closing argument hyperbole to describe that a sucessful print could not be collected.
Be smart, use your own police skills, ask questions and don't accept what you read and hear when you know better.
Here's a CPD CSI lesson for all you coppers that are unaware of our forensic capacity. I hate hearing coppers that sound like the mopes and housewives sitting at home watching too much TV.
The recovery of "figerprints" is not an automatic just because you say so. Believe me when I tell you, they are:
1. Not that easy to find.
2. Not always clear enough/readable (smeared/smudged).
3. Not always recoverable (pourous/textured surfaces)
If you see dude inside the "steal," but catch him after he fled from the car, ***You MUST identify him as thee dude that was inside the steal*** There can be NO doubt in your voice! If you expect "fingerprints" to be found for you to "make the case" because you are NOT SURE, then you have already lost the case.
In UUW cases: The best areas on a gun to find "fingerprints" are the areas that are not handled as much (the slide & frame). Dude usually holds a handgun around the hand grips. All kinds of oils and sweat there but hand grips are usually textured, so prints cannot be recovered. ***Dude was stopped with gun on his person OR Gun was tossed, immediately recovered, and dude apprehended without losing sight of him***
Bonus points for voluntary admissions.
Point of lesson: You should NOT request forensic processing, "just because," especially if your paper and testimony is solid. "Fingerprints" won't always be there because you know dude was there.
Robberies, Agg batteries, CSA's, and Homicides are more serious crimes, so obviously, they get more attention. More on those later.
Stay safe y'all.
This a*shole loevy lawyer was on the news saying the Police planted the gun! Yet there is no charges against the POs, by the city, state or FEDS.
Why cant the POs sue him,them with the help of the FOP?
QUIT LAUGHING!!!!!!!!
()% of the cases are NO pc because they do not want to burden the courts or go to trial. Just because a judge says no PC does not mean its a bad case u dumb M*&^$%#@!^&*.
Got Some demons that need exercising, wrought w/ guilt for bagg'em up, so you can be a Dope Court tuffguy only to watch 90% of your cases go NPC. YOU'RE A BARGAIN FOR THE CITY, KEEP YOUR BENEFIT TIX WHEN YOU'RE 30 PENDING
2/14/2007 01:04:00 PM
Hey small cock, just stay behind your desk and quake the next time someone comes in to ask for a traffic accident report. Then when you are done with that tell some more stories on how it used to be, not that you would know, but you know, you hear stories from those "outside coppers" and you like them, so when you get a civillian or PPO in earshot you like to tell them, but when you tell them you are the copper who did it. Sad thing is you stretch the truth even more because you don't know what else to do because anyone who will listen to you doesn't buy it from you anyway so you feel the need to lie some more. Every working cop knows the kinda cop I'm refering to. You the one who wears all those store bought ribbons on your chest.
By the way half way to retirement myself, never suspended, never sued, I work Tact, and am currently working in Area 4, and my Dope pinches? My probable cause approval ain't too bad either, don't win em all but who does. Now that I am done you can go back to your tacos, try not to drip anything on that traffic accident report.
Oh yeah one more thing, the girl who asked you for the report, doesn't want to sleep with you, she realizes you have a small peepee just like everyone else
Let me tell you the real story of that day. I was one of the officers involved in the very beginning of what became Wares last day. Our team had received info that a named homicide offender was in a white car in an alley. As we went over there one tac car hit the alley and shortly after the car chase started. I was a passenger in a tac car that eventually became the lead chase car. This guy used a CANE to press the gas and brake peddles and drove the hell out of that car. Not to mention all the cars he hit during the chase. The chase was called off and then we heard the shots fired call a few minuts later. Dude drove right to his house and stopped in front. However, before he stopped he led a gang car on a short chase and threw a semi-auto pistol out of the car. That was the one Cline was talking about. Did I mention the car was stolen too? Also, the paramedics found a sack of rock in his pants after they pulled him out of his car. And yes there was a revolver in the car. Not outside. We were the third car on scene and he was slumped accross the front seat and the revolver was on the passenger floor. When the officer recovered the weapon he had to reach into the car from the rear passenger window to unlock the front door and open it. I was in court for two days last week and have been livid since I read what the scumbag lawyers said. Not to mention John Gormans eagerness to get evidence from scumbag Loevy to go after all the officers involved. The only justice from this whole thing was that piece of shit getting his before he was able to hurt the officers. The gun that he threw out, the car chase, the stolen car, and the crack could not be mentioned during testimony in the civil trial because Lefkow barred it. It was in the tank from the beginning. Not that I agree with it, but by settling, the City actually saved the officer who shot from having to pay punitive damages.
The judge may appear to be master and commander on her chamber, and she really almost is, but she must craft her decision within the existing federal statutes and the law of evidence. The law of evidence, as given life within the Federal Rules of Evidence, is extremely complex. The issue here would be evidence of prior bad acts covered under F.R.E. 404(b). As much as you would like to enter evidence of prior bad acts to show propensity-that they did it before and they must have done it in this case-it simply is not legal. You can get the very same evidence in for the limited purpose of showing motive, plan, lack of mistake or to ipmeach the credibility of the witness. In this case the would be witness is dead so no impeachment. You just can't bring in evidence because it might helpt the police
2/13/2007 04:42:00 PM
Hey pretend lawyer, here's some info...
In a civil trial, character evidence is almost always inadmissible under Fed Rule 404. The evidence that the now dead thug had a gun in his possession is not character evidence. It is evidence of sh**head's motive, which is almost always admissible. The fact that the thug was wanted in a homicide is not character evidence, it is evidence of the "reasonablness" of the officer's response.
Why are corp counsel bad lawyers? City clout. Can't be fired for incompetence. Which is what is wrong with every single city dept. including the police.
woo whoo! I just check my drop gun garden and it just sprouted 3 more .380's with the serial # removed too. I have to go and pick 3 innocent fine upstanding students and futer doctors/lawyers to plant them on.
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