Another Reason to Fight Residency
We signed on to this job knowing that we would be required to live within the bounds of the city. We knew the schools sucked and we might end up working side jobs to pay for private education. We knew there were all sorts of hidden fees and such (stickers, permits for improving our property, etc). Obscene taxes on all sorts of things that we could buy for cheaper elsewhere. We grew up with it.
That didn't make it the right rule, but the benefits outweighed the downsides at that point in time and we hired on.
Now, if you want to live in a semi-desirable neighborhood, you're looking at insane amounts of money just to get a shoddily built condo. Truly nice neighborhood homes are almost completely out of the range of all but the most affluent. And it's about to get worse:
That didn't make it the right rule, but the benefits outweighed the downsides at that point in time and we hired on.
Now, if you want to live in a semi-desirable neighborhood, you're looking at insane amounts of money just to get a shoddily built condo. Truly nice neighborhood homes are almost completely out of the range of all but the most affluent. And it's about to get worse:
- On the heels of last year's reassessment, property tax bills in the City of Chicago are set to soar by an average 44%. CBS 2 Political Editor Mike Flannery reports, community groups and others are hoping the General Assembly will intervene.
- the General Assembly's been deadlocked since last year on the issue. As a result, the previous 7% cap on assessment increases has expired.
- A new study finds that if legislators now do nothing, Chicago homeowners would see tax bills go up 44% on average.
44%? On average? And people wonder that Cook County lost some 88,000 residents in the past 6 years, many from Chicago itself? And with Blago looking to raise taxes on business (which will just pass the increases on to consumers) we are looking at a disaster of major proportions in the making over the next decade or so.
As long as you get to work on time, who cares where you live?
As long as you get to work on time, who cares where you live?
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
79 Comments:
I figure a 44% increase in my taxes means an additional 1200 a year. Geez another 100 a month.
What other taxes do we pay? knowingly and unknowingly to the city?
How long before we our water bill, city stickers become payroll deductions?
I understood the residency thing when I took this job. But what additional services will I recieve for that 1200? NONE.
OK Im done bitching
Looks like this city's gonna turn back around to the way it used to be a little quicker than we thought.
All those shitheads must be looking forward to moving back home from the burbs.
How long are we gonna take it?? This should of been done away with a long time ago..
It comes down to the fact that somebody has to be that person (or people) to file a lawsuit claiming a violation of civil rights to be forced to live in Chicago. America is suppose to be the land of the free, Free to live wherever!! I'll tell you, the west end of 008 is going to s#@%, and I have no idea where I will move too when it completely goes. So many other cities across the country and state (Rockford) have lifted residency as a result of lawsuits and good union representation. We all need to come together people and fight this residency requirment forced onto us by the communist, dictatorship of Chicago!!
This is why Daley and Blago are so anti-firearm;they are worried about the tax-paying citizens getting pissed about the outrageous taxes and revolting..
OFF TOPIC:
In today's Trib. in the editorial section, there is a good article written by Jonathan M. Schachter asking why the city doesn't install EVP (Emergency Vehicle Pre-emption Technology), check it out. I couldn't find the link. This technology turns the traffic lights green for approaching intersections and has been available for 40 years.
"Apparently, Chicago, a city that holds endless news conferences touting flashy public safety technology, is not so committed. According to the most recent U.S. Department of Transportation statistics, none of the city's nearly 2,800 intersections is equipped with EVP. It is hard to believe that cost is the limiting factor in a city that invests millions in questionably effective surveillance cameras and a kitschy neon light-laden 911 center".
How about a $100 a year tax per gun? Every gun you own would cost $100 per year. After all you really only need "one" gun for work or protection.
I WORK IN 010 WE HAVE A NEW STATION I AM JUST GOING TO MOVE INTO THE QUIET ROOM I WILL HAVE EVERYTHING I NEED SHOWERS,WORKOUTROOM AND KITCHEN AND THER IS ALWAYS PARKING
Should we start a petition? Somebody give me some direction on even where to start researching this...how to fight residency, and I will start it.
I have had the opportunity to travel to other states and the general rule of thumb with taxes is 2% to 2.5% of the purchase price of your home. Do the math. Also, to license a car can be costly. I am in no way defending the tax increase, I'm just staying...
"but the benefits outweighed the downsides at that point in time and we hired on."
This one sentence says it all SCC. AT THAT POINT IN TIME. Now, we need side jobs to pay bills and another side job to pay for private schools. We do not make enough to live here. Why do suburban departments make so much more? Why are they handed overtime on a silver platter a few times a week instead of just having thier schedule adjusted at random?Something is wrong. We are being abused now.
OFF TOPIC(but applies to not living in this dump)
Saw on the news this morning that South Africa has developed an anti-rape device; something a woman can wear that prevents penetration.Since the "regime" change overthere, rape is suppose to be the worst in the world.
So that"cromangon" guy on the other post that called Chicago the "rape capitol" owes the mayor and its citizens a sincere apology.
US Supreme Court Decision on Residency
http://tinyurl.com/2sqp4f
Go to Court all you want but it has already been decided. Until the City decides to change it, we stay. You are free to move out of the city--no civil rights violation--also have the freedom to change jobs. Look at the property taxes in the burbs--it isn't cheap there either, probably a LOT more with LESS city services.
If the Chicago Teachers Union beats residency, which they are well on their way to, and the FOP cannot, time to vote in new leadership.
They recently failed downstate to get residency as a contract issue, let alone get the law changed, like the Teachers Union is doing.
Again, if the Teachers get it and we don't, time for a no-confidence vote!
It comes down to the fact that somebody has to be that person (or people) to file a lawsuit claiming a violation of civil rights to be forced to live in Chicago.
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To the shark with a heart, there aren't any legal recources, i.e. suing the city, due to the law downstate saying we have to live in the city, correct? Until we get the law changed, we are fucked?
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Make it a law for all municipal employees who live (own) in the municipality that they are employed by to have lowered property taxes and that it is capped till the day you are fired, retired or quit. This helps in many ways: you attract a larger pool of canidates to hire from because they can get a decent condo/home in the burbs. It protects us that already own in the city. Still may make it attractive to buy here. If the city will continue to fuck us on benefits then we may as well get a little quid pro quo, rather then 2% COL increases. Plus if you wanted to sell before you retired, you could rent in the burbs when you did sell and possibly buy your acre in LV. Just a thought. Stay safe.
flop won't even entertain it as they are in bed with daley! the daley crew have left the city go to the shitter, keep it up giving illegals free shit,link,free health care etc! this city is a cesspool of corruption, with stroger giving it all away, hiiden bills from county hospital hiring all his moronic family! lets get rid of residency so we can raise our families in a better environment! the teachers got it and they are draining the city of much more money that cpd ever will! WHY NOT US???? COMMON DONAHUE DO SOMETHING IT IS ABOUT TIME!
If you want to see Chicago's future just look east...toward Detroit. Our city fathers are chasing out the middle class and decent small businesses. Every raise we get is minimized by increases in the tax and fee base. We get 14% over 4 years and our real salary increase, after taxes, health-care, license fees, etc is only 8% real growth. What a way to run a city. Chicago - Detroit...Detroit may be looking better.
Based on the 7% cap everyone in Chicago will experience a double in property taxes in 10 years and six months. The cap is a false solution. Based on the 3 year cap of 21% total that accrues based on taxes paid each year not the starting point it is very much of the same. Example : I pay 3650 per year add 7% the first year = 3905 than 7% the next =4178, then 7% the following =4470. You see the more you pay per year the more the 7% rate increases the overall tax paid. I called the cook county assessor's office and spoke to an actual assessor. He stated the county intends to get to the market value in assessments for all properties in the very near future. Meaning, if you bought for 180K 10 years ago and the next door neighbor bought for 450K now the average sale price and square footage will determine the actualized value and assessment amount. Taxes can not be avoided or reduced expect to have them double in ten years and make preparations now by either increasing escrow or refinancing at a lower rate.
If we loose the residency rule and move out in mass, then we loose the vote.
If we loose the residency rule, the city will have to do that for the Fire Fighters, Sanitation, C.T.A. and everyone else. They will all loose the right to vote in city elections.
If we loose the vote, then Daley can really treat us like shit. Not that he already does, probably realizes that he couldn't get elected Dog Catcher if it were just up to the city employees.
Besides that, I hate long commutes.
I would like to move to a nice suburban home, but Im afraid I wont get anything for my home when they lift the residency. There will be a mass exit with a million houses on the market.
Weren't taxes the main issue when we succeeded from England? Improper taxation without proper representation? Time for a tea party.
How much of this increase is going to be used to pay for the the Olympics?
your last line says it all - as long as you get to work on time - who cares where you live. Lift the residency and let me live in Wisconsin !
Illinois House 992 regarding the FOP being allowed to arbitrate residency failed last week in the House Labor Committee. The teacher's union bill sailed out of the House 105-4 the week before to lift residency. The teacher's union evidently has more clout. Mark talk to your friends Rod and Mike. Get this bill moving.
We have to re-group every district/unit has to have a rep and get a petition rolling. This is absurd. Our union has to do something.
It could be worse. At least you don't live in Michigan.
Have you guys seen what is going on in the Mt.Greenwood Area? Rich assholes buying houses and ripping them down to build these massive suburban mansions!! makes me sick to my stomach. They don't even fit the neighborhood. What happened to the Middle Class??
If you didn't have to live in the city, which suburb would PO's choose?
sorry of topic, just drove by pulaski/elston, and there is a 17 dist. car with a destroyed front end, is the copper ok
I understood the residency thing when I took this job. But what additional services will I recieve for that 1200? NONE.
You are going to get the 2016 Summer Olympics for all that extra money, my friend.
Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy knowing the Aldercreatures have sooo much more of our money at their disposal? Money to waste as they please.
Thank GOD I only have 5 years left and I'm moving to a red (read: Republican) state that doesn't tax my pension. I will no longer be a peasant in the kingdom of King Richard II.... WOO HOO!!!!
The whole six county Chicagoland Area is going to s@#t. Taxes, taxes, more taxes, and for what? New expensive condos, homes in gated communities pushing the elements out into traditional neighborhoods and suburbs which were quiet and had low crime rates. Now the spot where you thought was a good place to raise your family are being shattered with the same assholes you are forced to deal with on the job. And the suburbs are no better, thanks to the government "f@#k it up" program which relocates the element to the burbs and countryside. Don't misunderstand it, they can have thier fair share of it too.
The city gets much more tax revenue for all these converted factories than they ever did when they were functioning businesses. So now with many more residents comes the need for improved infrastructure. And where is all that money, the dollars that don't line the machine's pockets, go? To give the newest schools and parks to the people who pay the least if anything at all in taxes. The next time the element tells you that his taxes pay your salery, remind him that sales tax on cheetos doesn't count.
But I would like to see the residency lifted. I'll buy a hybred vehicle and move out of state...Wisconsin is only an hour away and Indiana is much closer.
Everyone bitches and cries but than what do we do about it(me included). The FOP goes on there merry way and nothing changes. When I think abut it we really are tunas. We air our dirty laundry on a public web site for all to see and end up back stabbing and name calling. The public, human nature being what it is , is going to take their perception of Police from what they read here and see on TV. We should take our frustrations to the FOP meetings. We should air our differences there. Demand better representation. We should find out the elected government officials E Mail and drown them in letters. let's NOT WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE. if YOU HAVE AN IDEA PUT IT OUT THERE. maybe OTHERS COULD ADD TO IT AND BUILD ON IT AND WE COULD GAIN SOME KIND OF INFLUENCE AND CONTROL.
Christ almighty, my parents are on a fixed income! Fuck this.
To the anonymous poster with the "inside info" regarding some future hiring, was that for publication or not? Just wondering.
Move your family out now and you will be ready for the great divide!
BREAKING NEWS!!!
This just in. . .
Several news trucks covering the Abbate hearing in branch 50 were parked illegaly in the handicapped spots located in the front lot of 025. An 025th District car appropriately wrote them each a parking ticket. The news media in-turn called the Superintendent's Office and complained. Shortly thereafter, the Area 5 Deputy Chief, 025th District Commander, and 025th District 2nd Watch Commander were called down in person to Cline's office for a meeting. They were all given a severe ass chewin' by Cline, and the Captain, who is a great boss, was immediately dumped to an unknown district as punishment for his officer's actions.
I can't believe Cline would take the media's side in this matter when they are so clearly wrong!
To 3/27/2007 09:42:00A.M.
Have you ever been to Detroit? I have, and there is no comparison. Chicago, whether you like Daley or not is 1,000 times better than Detroit.
The Kool Aid has been dumped in the water supply and made its way to the East Coast......
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Police brass get street duty in Philly Tue Mar 27, 10:40 AM ET
PHILADELPHIA - Police brass are going back on patrol to help increase police presence in high crime neighborhoods as the city's homicide rate climbs.
Every officer from captain on up will work four hours, one night a week, in a high-crime area, Police Commissioner Sylvester Johnson said Monday.
That includes Johnson himself and about 150 captains, inspectors, chief inspectors and deputy commissioners, he said.
"If a captain complains about four hours, they shouldn't be a captain," he said.
The program begins next Monday and will continue indefinitely.
There was a squad car at Elston and Pulaski, with some pretty severe front end damage. It looked like Major Accidents was one the scene. Just wondered if the copper was ok.
What is this FOP thing that everyone keeps talking about? Who are they and what do they do?
They need to lift the residency so you can get the hell out of here, if you so choose. Apparently, if you're CPD, you need to live on 500+ acres of farmland in IND/WI, so nobody will bother you. But then you'll need to frisk the scraecrow to make sure no cameras are around, too...
Anonymous said...
I WORK IN 010 WE HAVE A NEW STATION I AM JUST GOING TO MOVE INTO THE QUIET ROOM I WILL HAVE EVERYTHING I NEED SHOWERS,WORKOUTROOM AND KITCHEN AND THER IS ALWAYS PARKING
3/27/2007 08:16:00 AM
You say this jokingly, but ask anyone who was working in 006 after they opened their new station. There was a P.O. who was going through a divorce, and was living in the quiet room! He would leave every morning before the DC came in. But he got caught when the DC came in the middle of the night. Thats why all the quiet rooms are now locked!! Like I said, ask anyone who was working in 006 after it opened.
You are going to get the 2016 Summer Olympics for all that extra money, my friend.
What was I thinking your right. Wonder if I will get a complimentary beret that says Chicago 2016, if Im still around. Nine more years gives me 25 years.
as far as residency I could transfer to a Souff-side district move to indiana and be closer to work.
To 10:06 poster:
I hate to give you the bad news..but CTA employees don't have to live in the City. (Unless they recently changed it, but grandfathered in the old timers.) I knew 1 bus driver that lived in Bolingbrook and a CTA supervisor in Calumet Park.
To the 2:25 pm poster: I envy you. I too plan on moving to a RED State when I retire. However, there have been rumors that the City and State governments are examining the possibility of taxing the pensions of city and State employees who retire out of state. Their logic is that "hey you earned that money here, so you are going to pay us a tax (penalty) for leaving the state."
It has been rumored for a while now. I mean how else is ROD Blagojag-off going to pay for all of his socialist programs that he is championing at the moment!
The ISP has a residenct rule too. You need to live in Ilinois! But they also must reside in their district / unit of assignment. Other than they guys that work the Chicago x-ways, you can live in any one of three, four, or five counties.
It must be a Chicago thing because a Sheriff's PO said they are getting their cars taken away. So if they live outside the county (which they are) they have to drive on their own time. But, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LIVE OUTSIDE COOK COUNTY
Teachers, RTA/CTA/Pace, County, State, and thousdands of local dept's coppers don't have to live in the city they work, why should the members of CPD?
Allow a 20 mile rule. That would help.
To: 7:19 AM
"why the city doesn't install EVP (Emergency Vehicle Pre-emption Technology),"
Because the right bribes has not been paid to the politicians. Unlike those which haul concrete and put in flower pots, speed bumps, traffic donuts and iron fences. Make this city safer and put in computer controls for traffic lights. Not unless it puts money into alderman's and the mayor's pocket. Excuse me, campaigh coffers.
I hope they don't change the residency requirement. We suburbanites do not want to live with the animals in the CPD. Stay in your ghettos and leave us alone.
Ford Heights and Harvey have plenty of Empty Lots for sale Cheap? You can even get Government Money for fixing up a slum area, same thing happened in 012 since the 70's. Madison street slumlords going condo. Where's Donald Trump? How about an all copper condo?
i moved here from another state 2 1/2 yrs ago. knowing that chicago had corruption which i thought was like every other major city but how wrong I was. It sadens me to because I like the people I work with and I think the majority of the people on this job are good and decent people and fun to be around. How ever I can't afford to really purchase a house or if it's affordable it's in some shit hole nieghbor hood. Fuck that. I'm lucky because I don't have time invested on the job it's easier for me to leave and go somewhere, where i'll will be apreciated. It sucks for everyone who is forced to stay and I wish yo all good luck but I have had enough. Good Luck and stay safe I'm outta here!!!
"who cares where you live?" "THEY" care, "they" care very much...you are a captive, and you will do the bidding of whatever the current corrupt administration in power tells you to do. Just like we have all been doing...
I believe the residency was established by Daley's oldman when everyone was leaving the city so he could save the tax base. Since this situation no longer applies it is time to lift the residency. But the kicker is what you are willing to give up for it. This issue is not important to me but I can understand those coppers with 3 kids that need better public schools. I think residency in all collar counties would be fair and if your willing to commute then so be it. It's impossible to get everyone on the same page with certain issues but this one would work if 75% of us would demand it to the FOP.
Check out the news now. headline story that 6 coppers stripped. Everyone needs to stop venting and talking crazy shit on this website now. Dont you people understand that you are all fucking yourselfs. The media reads this stuff ten times a day. Stop. Take all your anger to another Venue. Dont you realize how good we got it. We are only fucking ourselves. Cops once again fuck themselves. Stop now!
About the squad car at Pulaski/Elston, the copper went to the hospital,but is going to be alright
Police brass get street duty in Philly Tue Mar 27, 10:40 AM ET
PHILADELPHIA - Police brass are going back on patrol to help increase police presence in high crime neighborhoods as the city's homicide rate climbs.
Every officer from captain on up will work four hours, one night a week, in a high-crime area, Police Commissioner Sylvester Johnson said Monday.
That includes Johnson himself and about 150 captains, inspectors, chief inspectors and deputy commissioners, he said.
The program begins next Monday and will continue indefinitely.
PLEASE don't let them try this here in Chicago, there are enough political patsies flaoting around in the way
The Fort Dearborn Massacre; The Chicago Fire; The Iriquois Theater Fire; The Eastland Disaster; The St. Valentines Day Massacre; The
Policies of Daley, the Strogers, & Pukeovich; The excessive taxation that mutates by quantum leaps.
Maybe only Al Quaida can hurt us worse than these. But I doubt it.
How about an all copper condo?
3/27/2007 08:21:00 PM
That already exists,
it's called Catherine Courts BOOYAH!!
How about a $100 a year tax per gun? Every gun you own would cost $100 per year. After all you really only need "one" gun for work or protection.
YEAH and the rest of my guns to help your heart bleed you pussy liberal!
After the 025 incident today you can forget ever having residency on the table, and for that matter any raise what a total screw up thanks guys for protecting a POS like abbate the sissy boy! Why did his wife leave him? did he beat her and his mommy also the big fat slob!
I am not sure when it ended, but in the 1800s and into the early 1900s, Chicago Police stations had dormitories. Officers were required to sleep I think one out of three nights at their station.
A hold over from that can be found in the NYPD and in the LAPD. There are dormitories at their stations because cops can live outside those cities. They can crash there, (child of the 60's term), if they work nights and have to go to court.
Maybe just get a Winnabago and park it in the station lot. Drive it to the real home on your days off. Why not as long as it has a Chicago Vehicle Sticker.
there are plenty of people that want to live in the city. there are many more with much more money that us that choose to live here because thier oulook is not like ours. they come from allover the midwest and the us afterall we are the second larges metro area in the country. I think the city will be fine without cops living in it and will not become detroit
also in refrence to the above coment. there are about 9000 officers. At least three thousand?are married to each other. that makes 6000 of that many young guys rent or live at home etc. that brings us to about 4000. half will choose not to sell or move because they like thier homes, have kids in school and friends in the area etc. that makes 2000. between the north and south side that makes about 1000 homes each that will go up for sale in a year or two of lifting residency. the city will survive i'm sure. your value will take a small hit but you could potentially get so much more. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN THOUGH>
Reality check: IF (and, yes, that's a big if!) residency is EVER lifted, you will NOT be able to live out of state. Stop kidding yourselves.
Lift residency - the Southside would be Detroit.
yes SCC you can print that INSIDE INFO. Residency is gonna FALL.
That already exists,
it's called Catherine Courts BOOYAH!!
3/27/2007 10:03:00 PM
Isn't that the 016th dist. D.O.C
If the Chicago Teachers Union beats residency, which they are well on their way to, and the FOP cannot, time to vote in new leadership.
They recently failed downstate to get residency as a contract issue, let alone get the law changed, like the Teachers Union is doing.
Again, if the Teachers get it and we don't, time for a no-confidence vote!
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The teacher's will not get residency lifted. My husband made a few calls and was pretty much told that it was a complete fluke that the proposal got as far as it did....that it wasn't going any further.
Hey! If your NW side ranch is now worth $500,000 like you want it to be, then you will be taxed at $500,000. Got what you deserved!
What do you get for that 44% increase? Flat NOTHING.
Anonymous said...
It comes down to the fact that somebody has to be that person (or people) to file a lawsuit claiming a violation of civil rights to be forced to live in Chicago. America is suppose to be the land of the free, Free to live wherever!!
U aint in "America" anymore! U in Chicago!!! Your rigths are the following:
-you have the right to pay up
-you have the right to get fucked
-you have the right to watch other that do nothing get everything
enjoy
the city doesn't install EVP (Emergency Vehicle Pre-emption Technology), check it out. I couldn't find the link. This technology turns the traffic lights green for approaching intersections and has been available for 40 years.
Dude, Chicago doesn't even have TURN ARROWS on many major intersections!
Anonymous said...
If the Chicago Teachers Union beats residency, which they are well on their way to, and the FOP cannot, time to vote in new leadership.
They recently failed downstate to get residency as a contract issue, let alone get the law changed, like the Teachers Union is doing.
Again, if the Teachers get it and we don't, time for a no-confidence vote!
3/27/2007 09:15:00 AM
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all the dinosaurs in the FOP already have houses, thank you very much!
they are not going to actively support a measure to possibly hurt themselves.
Great gag: Go up to the nearest white haired copper in roll call and start talking about pushing for lifting the res rule. Watch how mad he gets. Becareful: his wheel gun may not be rusted shut like you think!
He stated the county intends to get to the market value in assessments for all properties in the very near future. Meaning, if you bought for 180K 10 years ago and the next door neighbor bought for 450K
The problem here is that house ISN'T REALLY WORTH $450K!!!!!!
If I manage to sell a pound of dog poop to a half-retard for $20.00, does that mean dog poop is now worth $20? No, it just means I swindled a half-retard!
He stated the county intends to get to the market value in assessments for all properties in the very near future. Meaning, if you bought for 180K 10 years ago and the next door neighbor bought for 450K now the average sale price and square footage will determine the actualized value and assessment amount. Taxes can not be avoided or reduced expect to have them double in ten years and make preparations now by either increasing escrow or refinancing at a lower rate.
3/27/2007 09:50:00 AM
Will the County guarantee the house will resell for $450K+ since they are setting the assesment?
Here you go boys, watchin horror.
Bill Status of HB0992 95th General Assembly
As you can see, it failed to get the support in the Labor Commitee. And has since been punted back to the Rules Committee.
I like every one else would love to live out of the city.We have to face it.IT wont change.for some reasone it does and there is no residency requirements we will have to move into a trailer park because or homes/property wont be worth much
it will never change! they will tax us out of our homes look at what they are doing to the seniors really sticking it to them! who do this assclown elected asshiles think will pay for their bullshit free heathcare-schools-link-housing-illegal aliens etc!! US!
Lift residency - the Southside would be Detroit
news flash! it already is!!!
Residency will never go away. I don't think there is ONE white shirt that does not have a house already. In fact I know some youngens that are set to be Sgts very soon jump out and buy one with their big pay raises.
Since this Dept is all about them, they will never fail. Tough bananas to all you Blues!!!
hahahahaha
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