Friday, August 24, 2007

7,253? Can Someone Verify?

From the Comments Section:
  • SCC, Here are the numbers, 7253, Thats right that is the number of P.O's in Districts 001 thru 025. This number dosen't include TRU, S.O.S., Narcotics, G/I, Vice, or people at headquaters. This number is the amount of people in the Patroll Division who could possibly be given 911 calls. Now subtract the number of people in each district that are in the front office, c.a.p.s. office, tact teams, and detailed out personel, ect. that do not answer radio calls. Subtract the number of people on medical, furlo, or I.O.D. Now divide this by three watches and seven day off groups. What do you get? A frighteninly low number of P.O.'s who go out there and do a thankless job and get burned everytime something goes wrong. You ask again and again what is wrong with this job. Here it is! Its on the computer for all to see. WE DO NOT HAVE 13,500 P.O.'S ( meaning blue shirts)IN THIS CITY!! Forget the phrase "support personel" how about you take a shift, take a period do some time out on the streets and see how things are now out there if you haven't been on the beat in a while. Im not talking about riding in a car but to go out and DO the job, get dirty make arrests remember why you became the police, LONG LIVE THE HUNT!! I've had it with this rant. Add this to above post or let it stand on its own but these are the numbers and the numbers DO NOT LIE (unlike our department). Hows that for accountability
Evidently, someone took the time and not so little effort to run a query on each district, one by one, and that's the number they came up with.

A few questions for the readers:
  • Is this ONLY Title Code 9161 - Patrol Officers? Because if it is, it certainly explains why we see entire districts running for days at a time with zero Rapid response cars on days and afternoons while downing two or three midnight beat cars.
  • The reader brings up a fair point - when you take out "Detailed Out" personnel (where we work, it's about 80, 60, 70 and 60), you're talking well over 1,000 people missing from that 7,253 base number.
  • Then front office people, watch personnel, desk, lockup, warrant officer, review, etc etc, that's another 20-30 per District - that's another 500 or so from the base number of 7,253.
  • Now let's cover schools, furlough, RDO, Medical/IOD, Tact/Gang Teams.
Is anyone actually out there driving the Beat Cars?

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83 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over 700 coppers on the medical. There lies the problem.

8/24/2007 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, there are coppers manning beat cars. Alone, regardless of shift. And not really working, because two sectors full of 99 cars with no rapids is NOT an atmosphere conducive to SAFE police work.

And 700 coppers on the medical (non iod) is an utter disgrace. There are legitimate guys who get sick or injured off duty, but 700? Is that number verified? There is no reason that a guy who busts his ass for years without taking medical who off duty falls off his ladder and breaks a leg should have to be lumped in with a dog who takes fri sat and sun because she has cramps. Or am I the sucker? They should really change the medical to have short term and long term status. Use that as leverage to lift residency. You have a disease or broken bone, no sweat. provide a dr. note and you are good to go. But you should get x amount of short term medical days.... someone who has the flu or cramps repeatedly over three day weekends that just happen to link up with mon tues rdo should be raked over the coals.

8/24/2007 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i heard a rumor that they want to institute a 2 tier pay package once the number of active P.O.'s is low enough.
new P.O.'s hired after a certain date get a 401k instead of a pension, less generous medical and so forth.

8/24/2007 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at the 1st watch weekend (Fri & Sat)in every district, 2 to 3 beat cars down or in order to cover this they would forcibly separate partners and ride on 99. Most of the people took time or nobos is there anyway.

8/24/2007 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe IAD should release that report they did about two years ago, regarding who the medical abusers are

8/24/2007 01:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, I sent you the post and those are the numbers for 9161. Only patroll officers. Thanks for giving the post the attention it deserves, maybe others such as visiting media types can make some formal or informal inquiries.

8/24/2007 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No wonder we're in a BACKLOG every day!!!!! And the dispatchers have NO ONE to give the jobs to.

8/24/2007 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are 10155 9161's including those in the academy. I don't have the breakdown of admin, tactical, etc. I've never heard anyone say we have 13500 patrolmen, I've heard plenty of times that we have 13500 police officers which in fact is a true statement, the term police officers includes exempts, captains, lts, sgts, det's, all other specialty categories and us the 9161's. Before you start arguing numbers argue terminology first, then we can go from there.

8/24/2007 01:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually there are very few "COPPERS" on the medical. Way most are parasites, known to all who know and detest thenm them for the low lifes that they are.

8/24/2007 03:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the thin blue line
Heaven help us
Thanks to all of you protecting and serving this retiree
Please stay safe and get your pensions

8/24/2007 05:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over 700 coppers on the medical. There lies the problem.

8/24/2007 12:20:00 AM

I agree. I also think there are additional problems that add to the manpower shortage. Still, city hall,as we all know, reacts to public outcry or at least to some degree. It won't be until the public,who pay their taxes and pay to have that manpower to patrol their neighborhoods,demand they get the officers back in patrol, will anything happen or change. How often has this issue been discussed on this blog,secondcity sarge,and the two dispatching blogs? It's no secret where the problem(s)are or what the problem is. The problems have been listed and discussed time and time again. Still, nothing is done. The media doesn't report it. The scholarship people still stay in their cushy spots,the medical abuse still continues,and nothing is done.

Someone said in a previous post that you have to have clout to get a light duty assignment. When will the department see that all these healthy officers could be replaced with people on light duty?
Walk the halls of headquarters and units/districts and see healthy officers who are not specially trained, doing menial tasks.

8/24/2007 05:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some on this department have been inside for so long, they think all this bitching about manpower shortages by the street officers is just more whining. The inside people have no idea what we are up against on the street. I've seen to many officers and supervisors return to a district assignment and look like lost puppies. Up to this point they didn't have a clue regarding the tasks we are now saddled with, the shortage of cars, the back logs etc. And just think, the public schools will be back in session soon.

Plain and simple,if anyone is listening downtown, put officers back in patrol to answer calls and patrol our streets.

8/24/2007 05:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC arent you out there working a beat car ??

8/24/2007 07:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Extremely LOW numbers! Minus the detailed units....even worse!! We have less than 1/2 of the 13,500 P.O.'s in beat cars than needed...sucks and sucks bad.

The department heads have themselves to blame. With the rise in credentials to get into this job and the scrutiny that comes with it, this job isn't as desirable as it once was. Hell...if you can get or almost get a 4 year degree by your 21st b-day, why be a cop when their is someone, somewhere who will pay more without all the media frenzy and other B.S. that comes with it?

I'm sure someone said it before me, but a person has to want this job in some way, shape or form.

8/24/2007 07:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every time I saw Phil talk about the 13,500 PO's we had on the street I wanted to puke.

I wouldn't be a boss in this dept if you offered it to me, fucking politicians and Daley yes men.

8/24/2007 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 700 on the medical and other abusers have assured we lose the medical in our next contract.

In case most haven't noticed, and judging bay the lack of talk about it, most haven't, the majority of PD's have gone the route of giving PO's a set number of sick days a year.

Anything over that, you better have compt time saved!

8/24/2007 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Maybe IAD should release that report they did about two years ago, regarding who the medical abusers are

8/24/2007 01:20:00 AM

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Is that the report that was kept so confidential, cause it basically breaks down by gender and race who abuses the medical? Kinda like "PROFILING"? Let me see as I remember- F/1, F/4, M/1, F/1 were the most likely to go on the medical. It was a report that if it had gotten out would have been called racist! How can fact be racist?

8/24/2007 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Add these numbers up with their location. 001 318, 002, 286, 003 328, 004 305, 005 271, 006 280, 007 382, 008 325, 009 364, 010 307, 011 329, 012 300, 013 215 (fewest partroll officers), 014 277, 015 258, 016 249, 017 254, 018 414 ( most patroll officers), 019 242, 020 211, 021 273, 022 237, 023 228, 024 263, 025 337. The first number is the district followed by the number of police officers who have the pay code 9161 and are assigned to that distrcit. This as I stated when I wrote the rant that I only took into account officers who are in the Patroll Division and may be required due to their postion in the dept.( assigned to a district) have to ride a beat car in the course of their daily duties. This again does not include units where officers who are pay code 9161 are used such as Vice, Narcotics, Gang Intel., S.O.S., T.R.U., peolple assigned to headquarters (to find that honest number whould be shocking)ect. Now take out all the inside spots (review, caps office, front office, desk spots, and lockup)and tac teams. Now three watches, seven day off goups, medical time, furlo. ARE YOU STARTING TO GET THE PICTURE. I did not magically create these numbers. They are listed. I wanted answers to what I was looking for and NO I do not like what I found but have suspected all along. WE ARE UNDERMANNED. We are doing more with less, how about paying us for our extra efforts. This should be examined if a P/O gets hurt, seriously injuried of killed while in the preformance of their duties. Now you know the numbers...how a bout an actual copy of the city budget. I as a tax payer and meember of the department DEMAND an accounting of the departments money. I ahve heard that in planning the budget each officer is assumed to be making to scale ($85,000 approx) I know that I am not earning top scale, so the question is "where does the diffence in what I earn and what is budgeted for me go? I will be looking into this question. Hopefully God willing I can uncover an answer just as easiely. 1 0f 7,253

8/24/2007 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The department heads have themselves to blame. With the rise in credentials to get into this job and the scrutiny that comes with it, this job isn't as desirable as it once was. Hell...if you can get or almost get a 4 year degree by your 21st b-day, why be a cop when their is someone, somewhere who will pay more without all the media frenzy and other B.S. that comes with it?

I'm sure someone said it before me, but a person has to want this job in some way, shape or form.

8/24/2007 07:22:00 AM

True! with college many are going elsewhere to better run agencies that actually have real leaders! Here we have ged running this dept! we have a dumb as a box a rocks acting supt who cannot even get security clearance! WTF! If you went to school use your education wisely and leave for a better dept! this dept is running downhill quickly thanks to asshole daley and all his merit bullshit!

8/24/2007 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just because they wear a uniform don't make them the police!!!subtract the cowards,dogs,alternitive life stylers,etc. and you are lucky to have 2000 real coppers.twelve percent of the real coppers make 97percent of the arrest's.numbers don't lie.if the west side goes up,the number of deserters will be triple that of new orleans.

8/24/2007 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So they say ther's about 13,500 people employed with the dept. Yeah right! Subtract the number of bosses (at least 1,500), number of sergeants (at least 1,200) and detectives (at least 1,000). Even if there's say 12,000 people that only leaves about 8,300 patorlmen. But I'm sure even 12,000 is an overestimate. Pretty scary. Protect each other and go home!

8/24/2007 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, they give the females 6 months paid leave for having babies. Why? The public sector doesn't give you paid leave.

8/24/2007 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fop let's stop the medical abuse
give everyone a bank of365 medical days after that it's a dowop
this would definetely solve the medical abuse

8/24/2007 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

demand special employment in districts no car should be 1 man on the 1st and 3rd watches

8/24/2007 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are all kinds of medical abusers on this job, but women by far, abuse the shit out of the system. It's a fact that no boss will address.

8/24/2007 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

In 025 they're driving them, but without PDTs and, sometimes, one radio per car.

Why can't Starks do something constructive, take the toothpick out of his mouth and get us some working PDTs.

8/24/2007 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of us on IOD's are legit. I lost the use of my fucking hand. I'm no fucking dog ass. I'd rather be working because I'm losing major$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from my side jobs for tuition.

8/24/2007 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone said in a previous post that you have to have clout to get a light duty assignment. When will the department see that all these healthy officers could be replaced with people on light duty?
Walk the halls of headquarters and units/districts and see healthy officers who are not specially trained, doing menial tasks.

8/24/2007 05:25:00 AM

Look at training division. How many healthy officers working inside, non-teaching positions? How many officers working in civilian positions? Two healthy officers working in a copy room? Perfect civilian jobs or for light duty officers. How many 35th street wonders hiding in training division? Embarassing situation.

8/24/2007 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Feelgood said...

SCC, I posted this once before and dont have the numbers in front of me. If you go to the finance salary page you will see that besides 9161, there are about 20 other designations for blue shirts. run a seniority check on all those numbers and the count is closer to 13000. And you have to count the sgts in the 001 to 025 also since they have to handle calls as well.

8/24/2007 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im sorry scc only the patrol division makes arrests, gets dirty, and remembers why they became the police right! First of all Oemc needs to send B.S. Paper jobs to the telephone reporting unit. P.O. are constantly being sent to jobs that should be handled over the phone. Then dog a$$e$ hold down B.S jobs forever. Sargents should be monitoring that. Shortages in patrol don't help things but taking the risk of sounding like a company man (believe me im not) sending extra officers SOS/TRU/SATURATION to the areas with the most problems is working. The department needs to continue hiring more and more P.O's They should start accepting laterals and sending them to the academy for no more than 4 weeks to learn the city stuff. Also sending gang and tact teams out of their district is B.S. Should only happen for police shootings,riots,or a buy back on rdo. Also they should cut back the number of P.O. for CTA special and offer the same program for patrol like they did for tara, but it should be a set number of officers per watch per district and any extras should be sent to CTA.

8/24/2007 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont forget the detective units with its merits units, Financial Crimes, Cold Case Squad, Fugitive apprehension unit etc.Non biddable who you know spots with take home cars for the suck holes....

What a friggin joke... No auto theft unit, yet we lose the most cars and heavy duty construction equipment in the midwest, the most cartage theft in the country because of the trains and trucking companies and no one cares about buglaries and fence operations. I get seven handouts a day with burglaries, robberies, financial crimes, identity theft and autos. i submit fingerprints to the lab, there results become available four years later when the statute off limitation is up in 3.

I am embarassed representing the CPD with these insurance companies because we have no time to follow up on any investigations...When I am really behind my sergeant says just suspend everything no phone call or letter, get rid of the jobs.... Instead of SOS or TRU give us some bodies to help us follow up on these crimes, unless its not a news worthy event nothing gets handled, at least give us the help to provide some minute police follow up. O sorry I am dreaming this company only cares about murders and weapon turn ins..

8/24/2007 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

There are 10155 9161's including those in the academy. I don't have the breakdown of admin, tactical, etc. I've never heard anyone say we have 13500 patrolmen, I've heard plenty of times that we have 13500 police officers which in fact is a true statement, the term police officers includes exempts, captains, lts, sgts, det's, all other specialty categories and us the 9161's. Before you start arguing numbers argue terminology first, then we can go from there.

8/24/2007 01:58:00 AM

Well then, to clear any confusion, we should have our own study....the 25 fop dist reps should attend roll call, or simply copy the sheets for a week or two and tally em up. Oh wait, our union reps are all out golfing....

8/24/2007 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

City will put red-light camera proof on Web
BIDDING | 39 crossings to have instant-viewing capability this year

August 24, 2007
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter fspielman@suntimes.com
Chicago motorists caught on camera running red lights will soon be able to view the cold, hard video evidence against them instantly -- with the click of a mouse. Chicago's red-light cameras generated 304,011 tickets in 2006, pumping $17.9 million into the city's coffers. Since November 2003, the city's take has been $35.1 million.

Ok, shhhh...this is what I heard..
the cameras are planning a revolt! Yep, their beef is here they are bringing in 35 mil a year and no benefits and they have to work 24/7!!
Apparently many of them are breaking down for little or no reasons such as their lense is dirty or a wire is frayed. You see they observed real life,"sworn to uphold" officers putting themselves down on silly medical issues such as headache 30 days off;Flu 60 days off;hand hurts 30 days off and since it's been working for humans, why not robots?

I hear they're starting a blog,
"Secondcity Camera"

Really!! This is what I heard.

8/24/2007 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7 years ago I had surgery to repair a herniated disc. I was off work for 5 months. When I went in for what was to be my final post-op checkup, the doctor asked if I wanted a few more weeks off. I told him no. I was dying of boredom (there's only so much shopping, video watching, hanging out you can do).

I went back to work full duty (or so I thought).

A few years later, I happened to see some paperwork (I forgot what it was) that listed the status of everyone in the unit. To my surprise, I was listed as light duty. I called personnel and the medical section numerous times to get this problem straightened out.


Only after I raised holy hell, faxed and re-faxed my doctor's medical release and called the union alerting them of the problem did they finally put me back full duty.

And it only took 4 years! Idiots!

8/24/2007 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should really change the medical to have short term and long term status. Use that as leverage to lift residency.
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Any of you brainiacs think that the residency rule is keeping people from the job, thus causing your drive in the ghetto with nobody next to you??

8/24/2007 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There has NEVER been 13,500 police officer/9161's on this job. The number is supposed to reflect SWORN members, which includes everyone with a badge, everyone who has that S at the end of the list on the roster.
The number of 9161's is usually between 7 and 9 thousand.. so, although we are short, and the manpower is probably mismanaged at that, it isn't the situation that it looks like when people use that 13,500 number. I would say we are about 1,000 true members short, which extrapolates out to about 40 per district (20 on third watch, 15 on mids and 5 on days short)

8/24/2007 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

700 on medical usually includes IOD, all medical is lumped together. Don't forget 5-700 on light duty/conv. duty also.
How many are abusers? Probably about 100 are real abusers, playing the system for all its worth.
The number of people on the medical stays about the same, but the names do change. The system doesn't lend itself to finding and rooting out the abusers, there are too many layers of problems and too many places where the ball can (and many times is) dropped. Add to the -no one wants to beef on anyone else - issue and it gets harder, although I think in this area, cooperation might actually happen if the department decided to take action... doubt if they will though.

8/24/2007 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

quit crying about the medical- we already lost it in this upcoming contract.12 sick days per year,1 per month,accumulate only 60days,if you dont use them you lose them.city already spent $300,000 to pay medical consultant on medical roll abuse reforms in the chicago police department.same consutant that drafted reforms in 7 other major police departments including nypd.

8/24/2007 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

new P.O.'s hired after a certain date get a 401k instead of a pension, less generous medical and so forth.

8/24/2007 12:45:00 AM
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A 401k will never match our pension. enjoy it while it lasts...

Here is some math for you to chew on:

If I bail the ealiest I can with 25 yrs on at 50 yrs old I'll get ~65% of my salary. As of right now, that comes out to ~$48,000.

Talk to any fin'al planner and he will tell you that you need a yearly 4% withdraw from your 401k to pay for modest living expenses. To get the same return out of a 401k to match the above pension you will need $1.2 Million in your 401k!

I'll be real nice and say the City will match 1/2 of the 401k ($600,000). Not very likely, but hey, let's play along. For a new guy to accrue the $600,000 in the min 20 years of service on his own he will have to contribute $2,500 a month! That is many of your mortgage notes!

As you can see, paying for your own retirement, (and having a house at current prices and having a family) is not possible.

If the City kills the pension for new hires, be prepared to have NO 10-4 cars ANYWHERE.

8/24/2007 02:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The magic number of 13500 comes from all ranks added up. (P.O.'s, Sgt., Capt., Lt., Dic's, Units, E.T.'s, etc.)
The number of officers has to be increased (which the city will never do) by about 4000 additional P.O.'s to cover the problems for the districts and keep the unit sections growing for todays dept.
Our magic number of P.O.'s has never increased from the late 60's.
Sometime ago, I found a list which showed, around the early 70's had 800 more officer's in the total figure than we have today.

8/24/2007 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8/24/2007 12:45:00 AM

I also heard that rumor. That we will be asked to sign off on it. Leaving P.O.'s hired after the cut off with the short end.

8/24/2007 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's bad out there! Computers in the cars suck. And most of the time we only have two sgts working at any given time, more than often only one.

Be safe out there Ladies and Gents.

Bottom Line? WE HAVE TO MANY FUCKING BOSSES ON THE THIS JOB. Other departments laugh at us. We have so many worthless exempt members in so many worthless "Make believe units" just for the sake of giving a friend a good spot. If that's not enough, all they havve to do is stay three years in that position, and their pension is locked in at the highest amount of the three years worked. What a Joke. But hey, Good to be King huh?

8/24/2007 05:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so fed up with this city. It's disgusting, literally. Who cares what everyone else does? Protect you and yours. No one else gives a shit about you. So stop caring about everything else. Keep your head down, do what you have to do to get to where you want to be and retire to where you want to go. You can only get slapped in the face so many times before you stop wanting to get slapped. I used to care, probably a little too much. Now, I've just had enough.

8/24/2007 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over 700 coppers on the medical. There lies the problem.


Thats only 10% on any given day, a large metro city like Chicago or any other large city high crime area, will have an average of 13% of its work force on the medical. Keep in mind we are not talking officer worker. these numbers are for Police Officers doing dangerous work.

8/24/2007 08:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But on the plus side, traffic crashes involving department vehicles are at lowest level in years

8/24/2007 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Easy guys! don't be a company man. the average CPD officer takes 3 days a year off the average officer worker takes 12 days, and the average days off on medical for police throughout the country is 11 days. look it up. We got bigger issues.

8/24/2007 08:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe IAD should release that report they did about two years ago, regarding who the medical abusers are

Another way to divide you. Daley is good.

8/24/2007 08:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It's bad out there! Computers in the cars suck. And most of the time we only have two sgts working at any given time, more than often only one.

Be safe out there Ladies and Gents.

Bottom Line? WE HAVE TO MANY FUCKING BOSSES ON THE THIS JOB. Other departments laugh at us. We have so many worthless exempt members in so many worthless "Make believe units" just for the sake of giving a friend a good spot. If that's not enough, all they havve to do is stay three years in that position, and their pension is locked in at the highest amount of the three years worked. What a Joke. But hey, Good to be King huh?

8/24/2007 05:09:00 PM

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THE SERGEANT IS THE FRONT LINE SUPERVISOR AND THAT THERE ARE NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH SERGEANTS. THEY TALK ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND FORCE SERGEANTS TO HANDLE TWO AND AT TIMES THREE SECTORS. WHEN THERE ARE NO SUPERVISORS THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE STREET.
INSTEAD OF PAYING MOUTH SERVICE TO THE MEDIA HOW ABOUT HIRING MORE OFFICERS AND MAKING MORE SUPERVISORS?

8/25/2007 02:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC,

Great article/entry...but 14 responses as of today??

Goes to show...the majority of these coppers ONLY bitch, spread rumors and hide behind their mouses/key boards.

A great article like this where they ask for THEIR opinion and there's only 14 repsonses. This is a factual/educated entry where data/intelligence is gathered and hard numbers are explored and (again) 14 entries??

SCC, you do a great job, you're extremely bright and talented. However, after reading these copper's responses for about a year. It appears a lot of these individuals are not street coppers, but merely computer geeks/cowards who hind behind their computers and talk nonsense (that's being polite).

Many of these coppers who complain are lucky they have the police department. They would never make it in the real world.

The police department is an easy job. Running the CPD blog for instance, appears to be a back-breaker (you're working day and night). But again, MOST of the coppers on this blog are unqualified for this job. I see a lot of responses where these coppers criticize you/SCC.

Years ago no one talked about what a great coppper they were, or how tough they were. Everyone knew who the great coppers were and (pretty much) everyone was accepted. The cowards were quiet and it was alright. Today, a lot of those same cowards do the most talking. It's a phenomonal concept!!

Great job, good luck and keep up the great work, SCC!!!

8/25/2007 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

new P.O.'s hired after a certain date get a 401k instead of a pension, less generous medical and so forth.

8/24/2007 12:45:00 AM

Not to mention not funding the pension of those who are retired, this is a BAD idea all around..

8/25/2007 10:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the City kills the pension for new hires, be prepared to have NO 10-4 cars ANYWHERE

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Why take this job with no pension? With the media. Getting shot at in highest level in years. The candidates pool will go eleswhere, corruption will rise, this city will have the worst force in nation in 20 years.

I will not sign, agree to a sign off or if the city tries to take the pension away. Don't sell out the future. But knowing cops on this dept, they will.

8/25/2007 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"quit crying about the medical- we already lost it in this upcoming contract.12 sick days per year,1 per month,accumulate only 60days,if you dont use them you lose them.city already spent $300,000 to pay medical consultant on medical roll abuse reforms in the chicago police department.same consutant that drafted reforms in 7 other major police departments including nypd.

8/24/2007 01:53:00 PM"

This is a bunch of Bullshit scare tactic nonsense. So that means all IOD who use up their medical time will go into a no pay status? If that is the case we will then be eligible for workers compnesation.You think 218 million shortfall is alot. This city will be bankrupted in 60days after workman comp takes effect.
More lies from some mouthy Whiteshirt Punk, go back underneath the desk Gump!!

8/25/2007 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 700 on the medical and other abusers have assured we lose the medical in our next contract.

In case most haven't noticed, and judging bay the lack of talk about it, most haven't, the majority of PD's have gone the route of giving PO's a set number of sick days a year.

Anything over that, you better have compt time saved!



NO way The city would have to cover police for workmen's comp thats not happening.$$$$$$$$$$

8/25/2007 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of you asshats complain about guys on the job who are legitimately college educated, but then also complain about the bosses in charge now who are not or hold a degree with Calumet College or Lewis Univ. ( a total joke). You can't have it both ways. Since the college requirement took effect only about roughly 10 or so years ago, it takes time to move thru the ranks of CPD to the Exempt positions. Its only a matter of time before all your upper echelon bosses will have a legit college degree. Its been the City's plan all along, you watch. Then let the complaining from all the ged or HS grads really kick in, if there will be any left still on the job. Pretty soon all coppers will be college educated, close to 40- 50% are already with the number growing rapidly as the veterans retire. At this time we will then be a true Fraternal order of Police because we all went to college and could change the name of FOP to some Greek fraternity name i.e. Alpha Delta Gamma Omega. Always have fun and be safe out there.

8/25/2007 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, they give the females 6 months paid leave for having babies. Why? The public sector doesn't give you paid leave.

Don't start that sexist shit,This is not true. Well little man maybe you should have the babies for the Family. I bet if women had a choice the men would be the ones to get pregnant. Always crying about women, Oh unless its your, Wife, Daughter, Sister,Etc on the job.

8/25/2007 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're confusing IOD and Medical.

Two completely different pay status's

8/25/2007 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe IAD should release that report they did about two years ago, regarding who the medical abusers are


Better yet Daley can release the report from Bose, Allen that states, the only real work done was by the blue shirts . Daley shit canned that report, as it wasn't what he wanted to hear.

8/25/2007 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am all for getting rid of the medical. Get these mutts off it so they can man cars.

12 sick days a year? I may use 1/6 of that. Fuck the dogasses that sit home and watch Maury while getting paid and laugh at us.

The private sector has nothing like the medical.

Perhaps we won't be in backlogs 24/7 when it happens.

8/25/2007 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are all kinds of medical abusers on this job, but women by far, abuse the shit out of the system. It's a fact that no boss will address.


And all the dope dealing along with thefts,and off duty beefs are Male officers. and your point is.

8/25/2007 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago in 016 we had 400+ to patrol the streets. We now have 245. Retirement is looking so GOOD!
We, as well as all the rest of the districts will NEVER see more officers to cover our districts. It's disgusting! MAYBE, yeah right, the media would expose this crap soon! BUT I won't hold my breath!
STAY SAFE!

8/25/2007 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are 10155 9161's including those in the academy. I don't have the breakdown of admin, tactical, etc. I've never heard anyone say we have 13500 patrolmen, I've heard plenty of times that we have 13500 police officers which in fact is a true statement, the term police officers includes exempts, captains, lts, sgts, det's, all other specialty categories and us the 9161's. Before you start arguing numbers argue terminology first, then we can go from there.

u forgot fto's

8/25/2007 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never abused the medical and was on it very few times. When your eye gets blood red with pink eye and you cannot see....yes you need to see a doctor and go one the medical. When you cannot hear in one of your ears---you need to see a specialist which I did and then my ear drum had to be pierced to get to the infection. Nasty time on the medical...but I will NEVER FORGET THE J.O. SERGEANT THAT SAID I WAS A MEDICAL ABUSER...I SINCERELY HOPE THAT THE GOOD LORD PAYS THAT SON OF A BITCH BACK WITH COMPOUND INTEREST WHEN ITS HIS TURN WITH A BONAFIDE MEDICAL CONDITION!!!

8/25/2007 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please, Help me understand this as I am new to your country and I want to be a police. To be the real Police in Chicago I must attend a University School and study police and law related courses taught by an actual tenured professor. All courses must relate to the actual business of police.

8/25/2007 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

However they play with numbers we still are short in every district and unit! And that is another reason to not risk anything do your watch and go home, only do the minimum!

8/25/2007 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the most important part of 008 the west end will get some officers! COME ON COMMANDER RIC FLAIR SHOW SOME MUCLE LIKE THE FAKE ONES YOU HAD AT YOUR SHITTY GYM YOU CLOSED ON 111TH STREET!

8/25/2007 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

700 on medical usually includes IOD, all medical is lumped together. Don't forget 5-700 on light duty/conv. duty also.
How many are abusers? Probably about 100 are real abusers, playing the system for all its worth.
The number of people on the medical stays about the same, but the names do change. The system



This Officer is right, I worked in the medical section a few years back, and yes indeed only 50 to 100 at any given time that are real abusers. no big deal the city wants you to believe their is more as that way they divide you. I'm a RETIRED CIVILIAN. Don't believe the BS from this department. stay safe

8/25/2007 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Yes, they give the females 6 months paid leave for having babies. Why? The public sector doesn't give you paid leave.

8/24/2007 09:40:00

I think this is a legit medical problem. Unlike some that fake injuries or have hangovers so go on medical for three days or other b.s. inujuries. You are telling me women shouldnt get any paid while having a baby even if its for 2 months? Well you shouldnt get paid for the useless work you do.

8/25/2007 09:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get your heads out of your asses.. The pension is covered by state law.

It has nothing to do with the contract.

8/25/2007 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, they give the females 6 months paid leave for having babies. Why? The public sector doesn't give you paid leave.

Bulls*&t you get 6 weeks, the same you get anywhere.

8/25/2007 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crying about working one-man cars? Go work in some other police department where your help is thirty minutes away. At least in Chicago when you get on the radio and call for help there are coppers there in minutes. Quite your complaining and do your job.

8/25/2007 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we're totally undermanned. we're short at least 3,000 police plus more I'm sure. the 7th district is 3 square miles but they get more officers assigned there when the 4th district is 4 times the size?? what the fuck.

in addition. their were 45 calls for service backlogged in the 4th district the other night. 45 fucking calls. thats insane! they were dispatching disturbances and assaults in progress 2hours plus after the call was taken. tv & news needs to do a story on this bullshit.

8/26/2007 03:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"only 50 to 100 at any given time that are real abusers. no big
deal"

8/25/2007 09:29:00 PM

Gee, ONLY, 50 or 100? I feel much better now. Are these the same officers or do they take turns? Apathetic policies and/or persons who feel this way are what's ruining this benefit.

8/26/2007 05:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just cause they show up as 9161 in the district doesn't mean they are there... 18-25% of all districts are detailed out anyways CODE-51.

8/26/2007 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, ONLY, 50 or 100? I feel much better now. Are these the same officers or do they take turns? Apathetic policies and/or persons who feel this way are what's ruining this benefit.


You don't get it, that retiree was trying to tell you, this department has bigger issues and how they use this to try and divide us, and yes you fell right into the trap. 50 to 100 who use over 15 days a year is no big deal when you have 12 thousand officers. And yes the medical section uses anything over 15 days as abuse. Give this issue a rest. WE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS AND THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. Again Daley is good you sir fell into the trap to divide.

8/26/2007 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

again the run and gun guys calling other coppers dogs. I call it common sense. The city wont give you a raise, makes u live in overpriced housing market, and fucks working coppers every chance they get. I have 3 lawsuits and decided IM DONE! Its guys like u that shit, bleed and eat police nonsense that are the reason we dont get shit from the city. You are probably working 3 sidejobs or going to court every day just to pay bills and tuition but you are too damn dumb to see that you are getting fucked. REAL GOOD jobs dont require you to have 2 sidejobs to survive.

8/26/2007 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, they give the females 6 months paid leave for having babies. Why? The public sector doesn't give you paid leave.


NO they do not!!!! The women get six weeks just like they do in the private sector. Oh, wait, I didn't get that in the private sector, I had to take unpaid time once my 12 days a year ran out. So stop bitching and get your facts straight before you spount off.

8/26/2007 07:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I am all for getting rid of the medical. Get these mutts off it so they can man cars.

12 sick days a year? I may use 1/6 of that. Fuck the dogasses that sit home and watch Maury while getting paid and laugh at us.

The private sector has nothing like the medical.

Perhaps we won't be in backlogs 24/7 when it happens.



I agree totally with you!!! Once again the police have ruined it for themselves. That is usually the case. And the ones bitching about it are the very ones that are abusing the medical and are worried about how they are going to get their time off if they only get 12 days a years like everyone else in this country!

8/26/2007 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, they give the females 6 months paid leave for having babies. Why? The public sector doesn't give you paid leave.

8/24/2007 09:40:00 AM

In 008, we got a copper who took a whole year off for taking too many vitamins!

8/26/2007 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don't get it, that retiree was trying to tell you, this department has bigger issues and how they use this to try and divide us, and yes you fell right into the trap. 50 to 100 who use over 15 days a year is no big deal when you have 12 thousand officers. And yes the medical section uses anything over 15 days as abuse. Give this issue a rest. WE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS AND THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. Again Daley is good you sir fell into the trap to divide.

8/26/2007 11:19:00 AM

"This is not one of them"

Says who,a retiree? lol,yeah, how many times does he have to call for back up and it's not there or how many times does an officer need time off, but because two or three of his comrades remain on the medical,he or she can't get off. Oh and I'm sure Daley is on this blog setting "traps" for us all, lol. I'm not talking about someone who uses 15days a year sir, I'm talking about people that are on the medical for years. I agreed with other posters, if you're legit, you earned this right, but having a sore arm,hand,flu,headache is no reason to be off months,and trust me,they are on the medical for sillier reasons than this. Even if it doesn't affect the department, as you say,as a taxpayer also, this is a wrong.

8/26/2007 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 008, we got a copper who took a whole year off for taking too many vitamins!


Well moron Go take a pill.

8/26/2007 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it strange that the person who came up with this number continually misspells patrol as "patroll" You would think a sworn officer would know how to spell patrol. And, by the way, it's the Bureau of Patrol (not patroll division), now.

8/27/2007 03:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
In 008, we got a copper who took a whole year off for taking too many vitamins!

True story should be in paper! How many other jobs can u take a whole year off for taking to many vitamins?

8/27/2007 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I find it strange that the person who came up with this number continually misspells patrol as "patroll" You would think a sworn officer would know how to spell patrol. And, by the way, it's the Bureau of Patrol (not patroll division), now.

8/27/2007 03:37:00 AM

You sound like a boss. knit pickn the spelling on a blogger that spilled the truth. who gives a flyn fuck if he or she mispelled a word or two. I'm glad a blog has been done on the manpower issue. It should be posted time and time again and the mayor's office and fop's office should be bombarded with complaints until something is done. So to the boss that made the comment about spelling "PAYROLL". wahhh wahhh I spelled payrol wrong too.

8/28/2007 12:04:00 PM  

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