PPO Power Test
From the comments:
- PPO's from 08-01 going for their refresher when they hit their one year mark. They must take a power test as part of their refresher.
is this true? if so the union should get involved. They are still PPO's I know but after a year of service PPO's get all the benefits of a PO and are protected by contract. This is probably a contract violation. If the city did this before their year is up then no problem. But not after a year.
Appendix P of the Contract is the relevant portion (page 126). Certain Rights and Protections take effect at the one-year mark of employment. Does anyone even know if the affected PPO's hit a year yet?
It wouldn't surprise us in the least if J-Fed was pushing to abrogate portions of the Contract and void certain protections. He's done it numerous times already. We've already deleted at least two comments that say, "screw the PPO's if they can't pass a POWER test within a year of graduating." All well and good, but if they were hired under certain rules and are protected under the Contract, then any surrendering of those protections affects each and every one of us in the future.
Again, surrender nothing to the City or the Department. Weakening the Contract by even minuscule amounts will bite everyone in the end.
It wouldn't surprise us in the least if J-Fed was pushing to abrogate portions of the Contract and void certain protections. He's done it numerous times already. We've already deleted at least two comments that say, "screw the PPO's if they can't pass a POWER test within a year of graduating." All well and good, but if they were hired under certain rules and are protected under the Contract, then any surrendering of those protections affects each and every one of us in the future.
Again, surrender nothing to the City or the Department. Weakening the Contract by even minuscule amounts will bite everyone in the end.
Labels: contract stuff, from the comments
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
45 Comments:
I agree don't give ANY of our rights away. I personally think everyone should be able to pass the power test but that is my own opinion. For those that say "screw the PPO's". How soon we forget that we ALL had a first day, month, year...
we need MORE coppers not LESS. Leave the fvcking PPO's alone! Jesus!
What idiot would take this job now a days anyway????
It's the sad fact that many who've benefited from the work of a bargaining unit fail to appreciate what they wouldn't be getting without that bargaining unit.
Many take for granted what those in the past have fought hard to get, and never think what they have now can be gone in a heartbeat.
It's a case of what some have never had to fight for, they fail to value.
In a sense, it's a good thing that things are going so badly, just as a lesson for those unappreciative youngsters who think that everything they have, they've got coming to them.
You have to fight for everything, even the things that you've already got.
That's what a true sense of union/unity is all about.
I love all the ppl that say too bad on this, so what about that. There are RULES for a reason, there is a CONTRACT for a reason. Ignore parts of it, and you lose!!!!
They are past the year. They get off probation on monday I think.....
I hurt my back in the academy and have yet to miss a day of work because of it. I'm not a PPO but if they asked me to pass a power test I'm not sure I would. But does that make me any less of a cop, even though I go out there and bust my ass, and if shit hit the fan, fuck my back, its time to throw down. I have prior military experience and am sure I could pass whatever shooting qualifications on the M4 the department has, but can't carry one because of a stupid power test. Last time I checked when I was in the sandbox, running a mile and a half and being able to bench press my weight have nothing in common with how effectively I can throw rounds down range. Or for that matter how much I can be considered the "real police".
The refresher course takes place right before the 1 1/2 year mark. This would definately be a contract violation. Union needs to fight this.
Think of all of the exempts you personally know. How many of them could pass this test? It should be a requirement for promotion, or at least, a requirement for exempt promotion. After all, shouldn't they be leading the way and setting the example. Do as I say, not as I do.
Do you actually think the Union will step up to help? PPO's have no rights, but yet they have to pay the dues and receive no representation for their money.
This "refresher" is being given by the new regime at the academy. This class will complete their first 12 months, the end of May. The refresher is a waste of everybody's time, it was designed to keep the PPO's from getting into too much trouble on their last couple of days of probation. This is the same class that told the media that they were "sent home" on their first day of the academy, (which never happened, they never started, they were delayed by personnel). If this Power test is administered past their twelve months, there can be no reprecussions to the officers if they do not pass, This would be similar to taking the Power Test for $$$$, and not passing. Sorry for the long post, stay safe.
And for all you tools bitching about contract rights...where is our contract? No one seems to give a flying shit about us or a silly, useless contract.
Grow up, man up and get to work!
Sorry they do not get full union coverage utill they hit the 1.5 year mark.
J-Pud and ALL of his exempts should led by example and take the power test or do what they needed to get out of the Academy when they came on.
P.S. PPO J-Pud should be taking the power test too. He is not off probation either.
there is obesity in the upper ranks give them an annual fitness test and if they fail bump'm down into the districts across town from where they reside! as to ppo' s some of them think they can put on the weight right after they get out of the academy! well they got something coming after their annual furlough and its not refresher training! its a power test audio and video recording!
The FOP needs to start filling lawsuits against the city for every little BS violation. It is a joke how we are treated. The FOP needs to come out to the districts and start filling suits about work conditions. Some of these buildings are health hazards
Shortshanks can pass the power test why can't yuse?
cookoos
Here's a thought for the power test: When it becomes mandatory to pass a power test to be promoted and maintain your rank as an exempt member of the CPD, then I'll start taking it too. What I don't lke, and I think no one should accept, is the arbitrary way this test is administered. Also, why the POWER test. It's bullshit. How about the "policy group" develop a test that applies to police work. For instance:
- sprint 100 yards in a specified time (foot chase)
- use a 12 lb sledgehammer against a solid object for 1 minute (breaching)
- lift a 150 lb dummy into the back of a wagon (arrest)
- drag a 175 lb dummy 75 ft (simulates removing an injured person from a threat environment)
- negotiate 8 flights of stairs in a specified time (climbing stairs)
In 31 years of poice work I've never had to:
- do a push up
- do a sit up
- jog 1.5 miles
- bend over and touch my toes before arresting someone.
But I've come to work everyday, done my job to the best of my ability, locked up some real bad guys, answered my calls, been injured, cried at a numerous cop's funerals, testified in court, and did more "real" police work last week than J-Fed did since he disgraced our uniform by putting it on his clouted body.
Before you guys make another comment about how important the POWER test is, look at your bosses. The ones with the gold stars. Have they taken the POWER test and passed? Obviously, we've learned that the J-Fed imposed administration does not lead by example.
Just like the city worked out a 10 year contract,with other unions and now wants to layoff 1,800 + 25 furlough (no pay days) and a 5% pay cut! Like during the last fop meeting the city does not honor contracts! Another reason to do nothing more than absolutely needed!
Giving this up would open the door for the "old timers" to be subject to the power test. We know those guys would have a hard time getting into shape for a power test with 25 yrs on. Next you'll need to pass the P.O.W.E.R test to retire. HA!
You used to have to go back to the Academy for a 1 day refresher AFTER your FULL probation was up after 18 months (for those of us who had to do 18 months)Now they are telling them to come back after a year (6 months on the streets), AND take a POWER test. This is Brand new, the classes that got out in 07 and before did not have to do this. People told me after a year I was covered under contract, and people told me not until after the 18 months....One thing I know for certain is that I was considered at AT WILL employee until after the 18 months. I doubt they will can anyone for failing, it would be a real kick in the ass, I'm sure more then a few of those recruits let themselves go, but it doesn't make them bad Cops. But I will agree that since they have only been out 6 months from the academy, the POWER test shouldn't present too much of a challenge.
This is being done at the request of Da Mayor himself, oh and by the way he asked that it be held the 2days before they hit the 1 year mark. Is this a coincidence, I think not, his holiness and his cronies (masters,hamilton) have something evil planned.
The "feared " power test is a joke. 13 minutes to run a mile and a half? 25 push ups?
If you can't pass the feared power test you cannot protect your partner on the street. Case closed.
When I was in the academy an instructor asked me if I was going to do police work, or just get on the radio and give the "play by play". Think about it
This is 100% True!!!!!!!!! They will be taking the power test!!!!! Be prepared IT's True, True, True, True, True, True, Where's the union again???????
No matter what your opinion is on if the PPO taking a power test should be able to pass or not, it's still a CONTRACT VIOLATION. We have a contract for a reason and it's for our protection. To just give up these rights is putting us in a downward funnel. The city, once it has a concession from a union, will not give that item back come contract time.
Daley wants the unions (not including CPD, CFD) to give up a ton in order to avoid layoffs. The Mayor wants from the unions:
1)two unpaid furlough days a month for the next 9 months
2)the remaining six paid city holidays to be forfeited
3)any overtime work will not be for pay. All overtime will be for comp-time only
4)give up the raise that automatically kicks in in june
Daley has no ethics at all. If you work for one of these unions, do you give in to these demands so you keep your job, or do you fight it and go unemployed? What happens if the worker has a family at home? Job or risk losing it? The unions know if they give in to ANY of these demands that they will be gone forever. We, as CPD, have to stick up for these unions in that if Daley is willing to do this to them, and with the disdain he has for the CPD, we certainly will be looking at some drastic change in our contract if this is allowed to go through.
With contract talks, the CPD members have to avoid looking for the now and start thinking about the future. Don't give up any pension benefits for the short term good. Just because the world has become a "give me mine now" instant gratification world, remember that our pension is a marathon, not a sprint. Give in now and 20 years down the road when retirement is near, the pension will not be there. We must fight for not only our retirement, but for the retirement of those who have not yet been hired. Our pension is the most important item that we have and we must not give it up. God willing we will all retire one day. When this day comes I want to sit back in some bar outside of Illinois, have a few cold ones, and know that I did my job honorably. I want to be able to know that I actually helped someone who deserved it. The media and Daley cannot take this piece of mind away from me. I just want to do it without having to go to work to supplement my pension which has been depleted by short-sightedness. Stay safe and go home to your family.
I fail to see any violation here until they try to discipline or fire someone who fails. Have they said anything about doing either? The can have PPO's clean up after the circus if they want as long as it's done by senority and they pay them
How about a union rep or two to monitor the power test?
That's just cruel. Don't fuck with the PPO's. We were there, once.
Rumor has it K9 handlers are now required to do some physical testing for their annual K9 certification. Again, according to rumor.....they were never told of this new requirement. K9 handlers were required to pass a physical when they applied for K9, but not annually. Being part of the MSF unit, K9 will be going to 10 hour days & supposedly handlers will be expected to work out during their shift. What happens to their dogs when they workout? If the A/C goes out on the car while they're working out.....the city may end up with a few dead dogs. Any truth to this rumor? If true, wouldn't this violate the contract?
I say screw the morons that say screw the PPOs. Whenever you "allow" the contract to be violated, you leave the door open for more violations, and you allow it to become a precedent. I have made this point before on here and alot of morons don't get it. There are to many that won't file a grievance because they believe that they will get picked on in other ways, which then is also a grievance.
On one hand if you can't pass a power test a year after the academy you need to be fired.
on the other hand we need more officers.
on the 3rd hand most of the officers coming out of the academy don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. so it's not like having them on the streets makes a difference. i'm just speaking from what i've seen in my district.
Ve vill not tolerate gurlie-men.....or gurlie-women for that matter.
The FOP could care less about the PPOs. All they do is take their money. They won't back them for shit. I suggest that the PPOs stay in shape. A year and a half probation, how about doing something to shorten that period?
Does the contract state that the ppo is on probation for 1 year or 18 months from his date of appointment? If its 18 months they got nothing to hang their hat on. The city can fire them if they don't pass the test and there ain't a fucking thing the "union" can do. Read our contract.
New Refresher Class (Meaning that it is changed from what they did in the past) is taking place right before they hit the one year mark.
It is a two day class that is filled with classes to refresh the PPO on what to do with POD info, Citation Reader, Car Camera, FCR, and of course the P.O.W.E.R. Test.
The only concer seems to be with the P.O.W.E.R. Test. Yes, they will be taking the P.O.W.E.R. Test.
This is all being done before the one year mark (after complettion of 12 months contractual coverage begins)
As usual, nobody reads anything. Class 08-01 is not off 1 yr probation until April 29....their refresher is April 27 and 28...NO CONTRACT VIOLATION!!!!!
08-1 makes their year on 28 April. The refresher is 27 and 28 April. The POWER test does not violate the contract but it does seem shitty to spring it on them last minute. Good luck to all of you and hopefully no one will fail.
Was at the range (Harvey) shooting the rifles today. I could use more practice. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are on probation for 18 months now.
"Last time I checked when I was in the sandbox, running a mile and a half and being able to bench press my weight have nothing in common with how effectively I can throw rounds down range."
Last time I checked Military personnel in all Branches are required to pass a yearly PFT Test?
What was your excuse then?
Oh you were in charge of the Post Office deep inside the Green Zone so you were exempt from PT? Got it.
Jesus Christ J-Fed; Get off your high horse already. Your brain storm ideas and police values are insane. You have no clue do you? God please get rid of our Mayor quickly and the same goes for this idiot named Jody.
O.T. DID ANYONE ELSE HEAR IN ROLLCALL ABOUT THE NEW RATING PROCEDURE THATS GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE SOON !!!! CAPTS WENT TO MEETING ON WEDNESDAY !!! NOT TO BE USED AS PUNISHMENT BUT AS POSSIBLE HELP TO BE MERIT SELECTION ! OR GO TO SPECIALIZED UNITS ! I SMELL BULLSHIT !!!
"Last time I checked Military personnel in all Branches are required to pass a yearly PFT Test?
What was your excuse then?
Oh you were in charge of the Post Office deep inside the Green Zone so you were exempt from PT? Got it.
4/24/2009 12:03:00 AM"
When was the last time you checked?
25 push ups and 13min to run. What test did you take dumb ass.
Also everyone says screw the PPO's Then they say we need body's on the streets. Get your shit together. A POWER TEST doesn't mean anything. We all started out new remember. All we do is complain and make it worse.
I think you guys are missing the point. Its not about a contract or whether some of you need to eat a few less donuts.
Its about Weis deciding how he wants things run.
****on the 3rd hand most of the officers coming out of the academy don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. so it's not like having them on the streets makes a difference. i'm just speaking from what i've seen in my district.*****
i worked with a few ppo's and i would rather work with them, then some of the officers who have been on 10years and still have no clue what they're doing. good luck to all the ppo's on monday!
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