Small World
Flyers denouncing Joseph Frugoli were plastered in CTA 'L' cars Tuesday night, accusing the Chicago police detective being "piss drunk" when he crashed into a car stopped on the Dan Ryan, killing two men.
The rage that prompted the flyer may have begun a year and a half ago, when two acquaintances of the victims of Friday's crash were killed -- also by an allegedly drunk off-duty Chicago cop.
That's a hell of a coincidence, isn't it?
And what's with all this graffiti popping up all over the south side and up and down the Dan Ryan the past few nights? With pitchforks alongside?
While tagging isn't deserving of a death sentence, there are enough questions being raised that an investigation into how much these victims may have contributed to their own demise shouldn't be out of bounds.
And what's with all this graffiti popping up all over the south side and up and down the Dan Ryan the past few nights? With pitchforks alongside?
While tagging isn't deserving of a death sentence, there are enough questions being raised that an investigation into how much these victims may have contributed to their own demise shouldn't be out of bounds.
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posted by SCC at 9:02 AM
156 Comments:
Two taggers caught in 008 last night. Said they were doing a tribute to the deceased.
Use this unfortunate incident to ask your non-police drinking buddies "Don't tell people at the bar I'm a cop." We've all walked into a room or bar room and a drunk friend yells "Uh'oh, the police are here! or "Here comes the cops!" They don't mean harm and are proud of what you do, but with all that's happened, when y'all are drinking, it's better off for you they keep the fact you're a cop to themselves.
I was driving past the "make shift" memorial set up for the 2 kids on the dan Ryan and found it to be a bit strange that there were beer Cans and bottles there.
Guess that explains why the car toasted so bad.
All the cans of automotive paint with the bulk sprayer set-up in the back seat.
My garage door sleeps well tonight.
What's up SCC.
There's lots of tagging lately; the whole L bridge over Wells street and the river was tagged (both sides). Everywhere there's graffiti and tagging.
Did shortshanks' program to deal with it die off?
Stopped in a lane of traffic?? Anyone knows if you get a flat tire you should proceed to the shoulder, if no shoulder exists drive on the flat tire until come upon a certain area where you can pull over. The two people who were killed went clubbing that night, this doesn’t give them a reason to die but I would assume they were also drunk (After 3AM).
Neither party used common sense that night.
While tagging isn't deserving of a death sentence, there are enough questions being raised that an investigation into how much these victims may have contributed to their own demise shouldn't be out of bounds.Too bad that ain't gonna happen! The bus has already left the station and Frugoli is already under it!
Whatever the events, they are negated by the fact that they were crushed and burned alive. I couldn't imagine a worse way to go!
Anyone hear the idiot on Zone 6 last night? Awesome MSF copper, screaming like he was getting killed because someone was reversing down Peoria. MSF is no different than the TRU tards. "OH MY GOD SQUAD
HE'S REVERSING DOWN PEORIA!!! HE'S GOING IN REVERSE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BLOCK!!!!!" Morons everyone of you asshats.
SCC, here's the forum on the site "Chicago Graffiti".
The post is "RIP AFROE 42 & EVOL"
Thread is this: http://www.chicagograffiti.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4044&whichpage=2
So that confirms they were taggers. Despite that they didn't deserve their fate. Even if they were "getting up". They were kids and it doesn't lessen Frugoli's actions one bit.
It seems J-Fed has put his foot in his mouth once again.A couple days ago while reviewing the nominations for merit Sgt a resume came across from a former SOS member. Jody said and I quote, "Isn't that why I'm hear, because of SOS" and laughed. Everyone else put their heads down and gave a charity laugh.
8 more years.. Thats all I care about! Then I can hopefully leave this scum of a city and department!
Keep doing stupid shit. We never stick together! I get sick everyday at roll call. 8 more years!! TIC TOC
THIS WORKING NO CLOUT P.O. FROM EDISON PARK SAYS: RUMORS HAVE THAT THE DRIVER AND PASSENGER WERE OVER THE LEGAL LIMIT. VEHICLE STOPPED IN TRAFFIC LANE AND NO LIGHTS ON. ALSO PAINT SPRAY BOTTLES IN THE SAID VEHICLE. LISTEN UP THIS GOING TO GET VERY INTERESTING.
Right after Cyrus was killed in "The Warriors" I went out and did a nice fill in out by the Red Line that said "RIP Cyrus".
Can you dig it?!!!!
Working in the public sector in a highly scrutinized position such as that of a police officer is absolutely no different than being a politician voted into holding public office. You are demanded to work and live to a higher standard. If you cannot accomplish this standard and sometimes even if you do you may get bad press, treatment, etc. You have only one good name and there are people out there going to great lengths to give you a bad one any chance they can. Know this. Embrace it. Be smart. Act accordingly. These incidents make everyone else on the job's life more difficult. Don't waste time speculating about the ones that got lost in the numbers and slipped through the cracks. Will this matter as it relates to your job 5 years from now. Quickly put the spotlight on something that restores public confidence and in turn restores the confidence the good people of the team left to carry the burden have for each other. That is going to get you respect you want and deserve which will matter 5 years from now and for the rest of your career and life.
Ok people,
we don't know the details of either incident; however, degrading the victim is not going to help the situation. What if it had been your child or the squad car that was allegedly hit had ended in fatalities?
In the tagging world, each asshole wants to top the other's location with their tag. So spots that are very dangerous get higher cred than a blank underpass that no one would see.
I'm not sure if anyone saw it, but a couple of weeks before this happened, the sign to enter 290 from the ryan was spray painted with a huge tag. Many people didn't see it because IDOT quickly cleaned it. The location of where these two were parked was just a little south of that sign so I believe they were trying to top that by stopping in a lane of traffic to spray the concrete divider.
All for tagger street cred. Dumbasses.
OUR GUY WAS AN ASS BOTTOM LINE IS U DONT DRIVE DRUNK PERIOD STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING-IT WAS WRONG WHAT HE DID
SCC,
They might have been idiots or even doing something illegal. But the SOLE reason they are dead is because one of our own, wasted drunk, plowed into the car causing their death. Attitudes about drinking and driving on this job are going to change, and we will probably not like the medicine that will be forced upon us. Why don't you start a thread about what steps we need to take to initiate the necessary change? Look for something in the new contract regarding drug/alcohol testing for all shootings or may even all off duty incidents. The people who are complaining the loudest are the functional alcoholics.
were they stopping on the x-way to tag a sign or something????
Michael savage tells it like it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swjH4gdPoWg&feature=player_embedded
Anyone think it a tad odd, or even completely inappropriate, that someone thought it okay to place two full beer bottles at the site of the make shift memorial presumably in the victims' honor?
These two dead gangbangers/taggers were as much to blame if not more than the detective. BTW, What was their BAC???
BOTH OF THE VICTIMS WERE PINCHED MULTIPLE TIMES FOR TAGGING. THEY WERE MOST LIKELY PART OF A CREW, MAYBE THAT EXPLAINS THE TAGS.
ot: what happened to the links?
off topic here. heard on zone 11 that someone in 20 district, the strangest place in the United States outside of Berkeley CA, called a 10-1 lastnight that was coded out about ten minutes later. How do you code a 10-1 without an arrest? If the situation is physical enough to be a 10-1 why is no one under arrest? Area 3 is so weird.
Heard from cop onscene that the two guys had open alcohol in their car too. Doesn't make det. right, but family shouldn't throw stones at the cop when these two were drinking too. Just sayin.
Yes the rumor mill is churning, it is believed that the guys killed in the car crash were stopped because they were placing graffiti on the bridge and walls along the highway. there is evidence to support this, along with statements from the victims friends that knew they were going out to tag.
more info should be hitting the times soon.
I know this is a tragedy but it has been taken to a different level by the victim's family and friends. Now everything must come out. Tagging is a dangerous thing, I have handled several cases where "taggers" have been injured or killed. I also know, that most "taggers" do not like the police because they think they are "artist" or they are in fact gang bangers. Weather anyone likes it or not there is more to this story and it should be brought out.
If everyone wants to lay their cards on the table, police clout, Bridgport,etc. tagging, demostrating in front of private residence then lets do it.
8th district, 1st watch, locked up 2 taggers memorializing the two dead kids last night. One was charged with a misd. the other with a felony due to previous convictions. Good job tom and sonja, keep up the good work.
School Busing at Mt. Greenwood Elementary…
The MTG School operates at 100% capacity with students exclusively from Mt. Greenwood. With one minor exception… there are 10-15 kids bussed in for the Moderate Cognitive delay program-Oh, there from the Roseland and Gresham neighborhoods. These 10-15 kids take up two classrooms. Here’s the deal – the school is so packed CPS wants to get rid of the pre-school & Kindergarten program for the local kids instead of making the bussed kids go to the school closest to their home (which also offers the same program).
Tonight at 1800 hrs at the Mt. Greenwood park field house (3800 W. 111th St.) there will be a meeting between parents, CPS administrators, and Ald. Rugui regarding options as the overcrowding. Here’s a heads-up… The principal has openly told the parents to stop beefing the Mayor wants the kids bussed in.
all else put aside, the car that broke down was in the right lane of an almost blind curve (especialy sense the vehicle was a small car)- IDOT had been called to the breakdown B4 the accident. now, all that taken into concideration, that MVA could have happened to anyone, i just think in this case it was a drunk cop.
Im not saying its right, wrong or indifferent, but these are facts and just because they want to hang this guy because he was DUI and because he was a cop- that does not meen he shouldn't be able to bring these facts up in his defence.
Really? They were hit form behind and killed. He was 3x the legal limit - so what would anything else matter at this point? And pitchforks? What does that have anything to do with this?
The deceased were part of a tagging crew from Summit. That crew has been tagging all over the 008th district recently with 2 pals of the deceased caught tagging a mural on an apartment building at 58/Harlem last night. A family member of one of the offenders (a latin king) came in to the station and asked the officers to "have a heart" since they were honoring their friend who were killed by "CPD." She was most upset about the fact that they were going to miss their boys' funeral today since they were in 008 lockup. I wouldn't doubt in the least if the two who were killed were tagging on the Ryan before the incident. The detective was dead ass wrong and will get locked up. What these shithead taggers wouldn't understand is that they also broke the law, were getting locked up, and would get out on a lot less that 50K. Just like they did after getting arrested for multiple felonies in the past.
contributed to their own demise? that is completely besdies the point if it wasnt them and soemone else got killed why dig into their history? they were sitting in their car they had made a phone call to ttheir mother and a friend about their tire being flat. why would they get out to tag in such a busy part of the expressway. this is getting completely off topic now. it Was a DRUNK off duty COP.someone who should KNOW and ABIDE the laws they enforce who got in a car knowingly taking that risk and killed them. So dont satrt with the oh well they were taggers who cares. I know plenty of taggers who have cops as dads and if it was one of their kids who got killed theyd do anything in their POWER to make sure the person who killed the whether by gun or with a car in a drunken stupor to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law so dont pull up this bs.
I posted my 29+ years of experience on this post the same day what SCC is mentioning now. Not to hard to figure out they were tagging the walls in the downtown area. My money says if a burned spray can was found in the charred vehicle, they stopped to tag the wall from the car.
Elementary my dear Watson...
If SCC, the department and everyone else is going to dig up and publicize the past of Fragoli then lets look into the history of two clowns that decided to park their car at 0330 hrs. on the Ryan in a 55 MPH lane (which the Ill. State Police never enforce). Let's not turn into a Sun Times or Tribune which couldn't tell the truth for the last 2 years. Fagoli is screwed for being alegedly being drunk but if the "young Artist" were at fault like they were that is the truth. If a supposed sober driver had rear ended the artist then where does the fault begin?
Pitchfork? I didn't know they were into farming of hay.....
I saw some of the RIP graf today for the two guys, complete with the crown.
I'm not on some goofy gang team but I do know the crown in this sense doesn't signify anything to do with the Latin Kings or similar ilk though emphasizes their skills graffiti artists.
HEARD FROM A GOOD SOURCE 35TH AND MICHIGAN THAT APPARENTLY THE TWO VICTIMS WERE OUT TAGGING PRIOR TO THE ACCIDENT.
"They all knew each other?" -- SCC
Looks that way. It's astonishing how many "underprivileged" people have unlimited free time to drive around in automobiles (!), smearing things on other people's property -- then photographing the results, getting together at parties, putting up web sites.
Lots of fun to be "poor and oppressed" these days, huh? Whole social scene rivaling Aspen or the Hampdens.
To start with, I don't use the word "tagger." It's "vandal" and, generally, "trespasser." Since these people shoplift vast quantities of paint -- enough to put them into felony territory -- it's also "thief."
They take on the offended tone that "ours is a community (one of the most overused words in the lexicon today) of artists" - but, now, as you say, what angle is this "pitchfork" shit coming from? Huh?
I think that moves the whole thing over into "gangbanger."
People today will get high, then throw rocks at a four-hundred-pound tiger until the poor thing lashes out and kills them -- then the relatives go crying that "Going to the zoo shouldn't bring a death sentence."
God damn. All this whining, sniffling, mewling. "Not s'posta happen! Not s'posta get hu-u-u-rt! Not s'posta!"
Actions have consequences. Running around on the expressway can very easily get you killed by the next thing that comes around the bend at 60 per -- be it a huge semi or a Buick full of nuns.
"...there are enough questions being raised that an investigation into how much these victims may have contributed to their own demise shouldn't be out of bounds..."-- SCC
Absolutely. As I said in another post, "Getting killed while doing something stupid doesn't cancel out the fact that you were doing something stupid" -- and it certainly should not preclude an investigation.
I want to know whether or not there were a lot of spray paint cans in that car -- and did any cameras pick them up painting other areas along the Ryan before the accident?
There were reports that the two dead had been drinking before the accident as well -- what was their BAC? How impaired was THEIR judgment?
Same as with the CPS honor students who drowned while stealing boats at midnight in another state during their big outing. What were the blood alcohol and tox screen results? We're waiting...
The yellow ribbons and jars with flowers and burning candles and graduation pictures come out in half a minute -- is there a place that delivers? -- along with the revs with the bullhorns and the guys in hoodies throwing up RIPs all over town.
Not so fast there. Before we telegraph the Vatican to recommend sainthood, we'd like to know what happened.
While tagging isn't deserving of a death sentence,
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Says you! I, however, am not so sure.
So can someone confirm that they were stopped there to spray paint? If they were, they really are to blame for their own deaths. I am not forgiving the drunk, but that is so dangerous and so "f-everybody" that I can't spare an ounce of pity for them. That could have been a family that hit them or a truck and they could have killed more than one innocent person.
All to damage some property and get thier name on some City property. The narcisism in this generation is just astounding.
"An investigation into how much these victims may have contributed to their own demise shouldn't be out of bounds."
Are you fucking shitting me? I agree with most of what SCC has to say, but this time you need to do yourself a favor and STFU. When a drunken cop hits and kills 2 people, saying something stupid like this is a BAD MOVE. It doesn't matter if there's any truth to it, SAYING IT IS STUPID.
We're hearing the deceased were MAJOR taggers. Stopped in a traffic lane, not on an emergency easement. At three a.m?
A shame the inferno probably erased any evidence they had stopped to TAG.
Not excusing the DUI, but who the hell stops their car in a working lane of a four lane interstate?
When I was a kid, Cops were treated with respect. That's all out the door now. I was in the Home Depot lot today (off duty) and saw a woman getting assaulted by a...uh...parking lot begger type. I walked up to her and mentioned that I was a cop and that if she wanted, I would stay with her until he went away and she seemed appreciative. I wonder if people realize that they are easy prey for the right person. Its very sad how we are viewed by the general public now.
I saw some of the RIP graf today for the two guys, complete with the crown.
I'm not on some goofy gang team but I do know the crown in this sense doesn't signify anything to do with the Latin Kings or similar ilk though emphasizes their skills graffiti artists.
4/15/2009 04:23:00 PM
Yeah, you are right. Graffiti artist using the crown has absolutely nothing to do with the Kings.
Was at Bourbon the other night (Drinking diet 7-Up) and there was a stroke wearing the typical hard-on "Homicide" shirt. You can always tell the 2 year wonders.
OT.
Zell on Tribune deal: 'I made a mistake'
April 15, 2009 11:37 AM | 13 Comments |
Tribune Co. Chairman and Chief Executive Sam Zell told Bloomberg Television today that his heavily leveraged 2007 acquisition of the Chicago Tribune parent was "a mistake" in that he did not anticipate the steep decline in the newspaper business.
"By definition, if you bought something and it's now worth a great deal less, you made a mistake and I'm more than willing to say I made a mistake," Zell said. "I was too optimistic in terms of the newspaper's ability to preserve its position."
The Fibune is crumbling. The Scum-Times is hitting the shit can. True karma would be if the Fibune and the Scum-Times both took the final dive on the same day! I can hope!
"And pitchforks? What does that have anything to do with this?"
Dear civilian suburbanite-say off the blog!
Another Interesting Fact:
The Officer and at least one of the victims were graduates of De LaSalle institute, the same school where SHORTSHANKS graduated from. Right across the street from the new headquarters.
Sad Shit.
This graffiti-militant shit goes so far that if you knuckle under to them, they'll pressure a town into putting one of them on the public payroll as an "art teacher" to encourage other cockroaches to smear. I think Berwyn caved in not too long ago. It's shameful.
NO. No hay derecho.
That is that.
Just to clear up any confusion about the incident:
They may have been taggers but that night, that vehicle WAS disabled. Phone calls were placed and they were waiting to be picked up by one of the girlfriends and to arrange for a private tow. They were picked up by God instead.
God knows I hate taggers and wish to lockem all up so they stop destroying the city and other people's property, but no one should pay with their life just for being one.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/1528412,daley-automated-garbage-trucks-041509.article
Don't fuck with garbage. Daley isn't that dumb evidently.
Anyone hear the idiot on Zone 6 last night? Awesome MSF copper, screaming like he was getting killed because someone was reversing down Peoria. MSF is no different than the TRU tards. "OH MY GOD SQUAD
HE'S REVERSING DOWN PEORIA!!! HE'S GOING IN REVERSE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BLOCK!!!!!" Morons everyone of you asshats.
Maybe it was the ex-Orland Park guy...he has seen it all except for a car going in reverse all the way down a street. God save us.
Heard from cop onscene that the two guys had open alcohol in their car too. Doesn't make det. right, but family shouldn't throw stones at the cop when these two were drinking too. Just sayin.
4/15/2009 02:00:00 PM
Yeah, like there was open alcohol left in that car after the inferno was put out...
off topic here. heard on zone 11 that someone in 20 district, the strangest place in the United States outside of Berkeley CA, called a 10-1 lastnight that was coded out about ten minutes later. How do you code a 10-1 without an arrest? If the situation is physical enough to be a 10-1 why is no one under arrest? Area 3 is so weird.
Hehe, wrong. Te strangest place in the United States outside Berkeley is Evanston.
"An investigation into how much these victims may have contributed to their own demise shouldn't be out of bounds."
Are you fucking shitting me? I agree with most of what SCC has to say, but this time you need to do yourself a favor and STFU. When a drunken cop hits and kills 2 people, saying something stupid like this is a BAD MOVE. It doesn't matter if there's any truth to it, SAYING IT IS STUPID.
4/15/2009 05:31:00 PM
Two drunk adult tagger vandals get rear ended by another drunk in a lane of traffic while out on a spree. Sorry, no sympathy there, not one bit.
Anonymous said...
Really? They were hit form behind and killed. He was 3x the legal limit - so what would anything else matter at this point? And pitchforks? What does that have anything to do with this?
4/15/2009 03:15:00 PM
If you have to ask, you're not the police. Stay off the fuckin blog.
There was actually a quote in the media by a family member of one of the deceased, who by the way came across as extremely gracious under the circumstances, saying it was a tragedy for all families involved, including the detective's. He also said he did not "approve" of his cousin's tagger lifestyle, but he was essentially a good kid, or something to that affect.
Was at Bourbon the other night (Drinking diet 7-Up) and there was a stroke wearing the typical hard-on "Homicide" shirt. You can always tell the 2 year wonders.
4/15/2009 06:39:00 PM
right....because I have NEVER seen a "no-hair police" walking around their favorite watering hole wearing a KMA hat with a checkerboard brim... "no-hair police" are the BIGGEST drunken morons on this department!
What is with all these assholes with 15-20+ years on that cannot control their drinking??? This isnt 1970 any more, gramps! Stop getting fucked up and driving around! Say what you want about "hair gel" but the fact is most drunks on this job are old timers! Walk into Dugans, Tommys, TRs etc etc and you will see wall to wall old timers drinking thier sorrows away! Maybe, JUST MAYBE if a certain demographic on this job could control their drinking, we wouldnt come off looking like a bunch of drunken slobs! And maybe, JUST MAYBE if said demographic would stop putting alcohol on top of their priority list we wouldnt have to continuously hear the sob stories about the "bitch ex-wife" getting half your pensions! PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE, STOP SHOWING UP TO WORK HUNG OVER, AND GET A FUCKING GRIP OLD TIMERS!!!
this all could have been avoided! if the driver of the vehicle had just a flat tire, and he was so close to the off ramp that he could have drove off. but why did he and his friend just stay in his vehicle. and why did the vehicle go up in flames the way it did. when it is your time to go, it is your time. it could have been another driver (sober) who could have hit them. but i believe alochol played a part in everyone involved. they were coming from a club 3-4am. the det was drunk (over the limit). dont drink and drive.
"I couldn't imagine a worse way to go!
4/15/2009 10:11:00 AM"
You've got a pretty limited imagination, then.
"Anyone think it a tad odd, or even completely inappropriate, that someone thought it okay to place two full beer bottles at the site of the make shift memorial presumably in the victims' honor?
4/15/2009 12:35:00 PM"
Appropriate and odd are subjective perspectives, dependent upon one's definition of 'normal'.
"How do you code a 10-1 without an arrest? If the situation is physical enough to be a 10-1 why is no one under arrest? Area 3 is so weird.
4/15/2009 01:49:00 PM"
It's simple:
'Never mind'.
Rule 19 from the City Personal Rules Book:
Section 15:
Engaging in any act or conduct Prohibited by the Municipal Code of the City, Illinois Compiled Statutes, etc....
In other words: Drunk Driving.
Fire the Cop.....and any others that Drive OUIL/DUI.
And I don't lament the demise of taggers....but they didn't deserve to burn to death.
Is being born deserving of a death sentence?
To the asshat that said police, like politicians are held to a higher standard.
You, my fine hairbrained friend should know, POLITICANS HAVE NO STANDARDS.
SCC, could you post this as a topic for a while?
TUESDAY, APRIL 14, 2009
TIME IS RUNNING OUT! 03/14/09
Bill Cozzi is scheduled for sentencing on April 30, 2009. Here is your chance to show your support for Bill. Please take the time to write a character letter on Bill's behalf.
While there is not any right or wrong way to write a letter your letter should comment on the positive aspects of Bill's character as a person. You should include your identity, how you know Bill, and how long you have known him. If you know of acts of Bill helping others or providing extraordinary service to the community please include them in your letter. You should also consider including how this case has affected Bill's life.
This letter should not include your opinion of Bill's innocence or how unfairly you believe he was treated by the Department of government.
Your letter should be addressed to:
Honorable Blanche Manning
United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois
219 S. Dearborn
Chicago, IL 60604
*** Do Not mail your letter directly to Judge Manning ***
Send your letter to the FOP Unit 541 via Department mail or mail to the FOP at 1412 W. Washington Blvd., Chicago, IL. 60607.
All letters will be forwarded to Bill's attorney who will present them to Judge Manning.
Anonymous said...
8 more years.. Thats all I care about! Then I can hopefully leave this scum of a city and department!
Keep doing stupid shit. We never stick together! I get sick everyday at roll call. 8 more years!! TIC TOC
4/15/2009 10:56:00 AM
Hah! 4 more years for me! Then adios mother fucker.
SCC,
They might have been idiots or even doing something illegal. But the SOLE reason they are dead is because one of our own . . .
4/15/2009 12:17:00 PM
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Wrong!
There are more than one factors why they are dead.
Their stopping on the Dan Ryan in a lane of traffic attempting to do something illegal is a contributing factor to their death.
Shortshanks graduated from St.Ignatias after he got his ass beat at a fight at DeLaSalle and dad rescued him....he will always be a fucking coward...like the rest of his crew he awards millions of taxpayer money to.....
OT:
County Commissioner William Beavers (D-Chicago), a key Stroger ally, said the tax increase had been necessary.
“People are screaming, but they don’t realize that the money went to the county hospitals,” Beavers said. “People on the North Side think it’s all poor black people going to those hospitals. There are more white people that use those hospitals. They don’t seem to understand and that’s why they don’t want to pay.”
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This man has got to be the dumbest motherfucker on the face of the planet.
Keep piling up resons for lifting the residency rule. The king is out for himself don't give shit about u. Someone that goes there need to start filing lawsuits... squeeky wheel get the oil!!!!
Anonymous said...
Right after Cyrus was killed in "The Warriors" I went out and did a nice fill in out by the Red Line that said "RIP Cyrus".
Can you dig it?!!!!
4/15/2009 11:15:00 AM
I went with Ajax looking for some strange wool.
"There are 10-15 kids bussed in for the Moderate Cognitive Delay program. Oh, they're from the Roseland and Gresham neighborhoods. These 10-15 kids take up two classrooms."
--4/15/2009 02:59:00 PM
MODERATE COGNITIVE DELAY?So that's what they're calling it these days.
I'm gonna fall off my chair.
I'd better not say any more.
contributed to their own demise? that is completely besdies the point if it wasnt them and soemone else got killed why dig into their history?
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Because, asshat, you look at BOTH sides of the story. Yes, that cop was wrong, drinking and driving, and will pay for it for the rest of his life. But if it is true that the two "honor students" had been drinking and had open alcohol in the car when they stopped, isn't THAT against the law? If they had been drinking, would it not be too much of a stretch to link their actions (stopping in a lane of traffic) to the consumption of alcohol? If they were indeed out there to tag, would that not also be a contributing factor? All facts should be looked into. And if it's discovered that these two had indeed been consuming alcohol while driving and had been out tagging then its just too damn bad. The cop involved will take responsibility for his actions, so should these two idiots.
Really? They were hit form behind and killed. He was 3x the legal limit - so what would anything else matter at this point? And pitchforks? What does that have anything to do with this?
4/15/2009 03:15:00 PM
Anyone could have creamed these people, what does 3x or half asleep what's the difference? Driving tired is worse than drunk.
The bottom line is that if these dead victims were in the wrong by stopping their car on the expressway if it was not an emergency, the sentence on that drunk cop should be cut from 10 years to 1 yr if he's even convicted. Convicted already by the media. Guilty of driving drunk for now.
This man has got to be the dumbest motherfucker on the face of the planet.
4/15/2009 08:57:00 PM
You are right but he is the hog with the big nuts. Just axe him.
Anyone hear the idiot on Zone 6 last night? Awesome MSF copper, screaming like he was getting killed because someone was reversing down Peoria. MSF is no different than the TRU tards. "OH MY GOD SQUAD
HE'S REVERSING DOWN PEORIA!!! HE'S GOING IN REVERSE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BLOCK!!!!!" Morons everyone of you asshats.
GET A LIFE
the taggers friend was flashing gang signs in the color photos in the Scumtimes, and they didn't even notice it. Great reporting.
"I was driving past the makeshift memorial set up for the 2 kids on the Dan Ryan and found it to be a bit strange that there were beer cans and bottles there."
--4/15/2009 09:29:00 AM
A. "Kids?"
"Andrew Cazares, 23, and Fausto Manzera, 21...Fausto Manzera was a senior at DePaul University" according to Channel 7 news here.
Isn't this a little old to be smearing on walls? I think I was taught not to do that in third grade.
B. Lot of people stopping at that same dangerous spot, aren't they? Someone else is going to get killed there passing a joint, aren't they?
Then we'll have to listen to "No one should get the death sentence for setting up teddy bears..."
NOT ON THE EXPRESSWAY, STUPID!
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Anonymous said...
OT:
County Commissioner William Beavers (D-Chicago), a key Stroger ally, said the tax increase had been necessary. . . . .
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This man has got to be the dumbest motherfucker on the face of the planet.
4/15/2009 08:57:00 PM
He used to be one of us and I find him pretty f---ing entertaining (even if he is full of shit).
Was at Bourbon the other night (Drinking diet 7-Up) and there was a stroke wearing the typical hard-on "Homicide" shirt. You can always tell the 2 year wonders.
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That was prolly the Orland Park guy. Guessing he had his hair-gel civilian friends around him while he told his latest war story about how he nailed a car with two parking tickets. Actually, most of these fucks in those "Homicide", "Bomb Squad", etc. t-shirts are attention craving non-police meat heads. UFC rules dude!!!!!!!
On a more somber note and I certainly mean no disrespect by bringing this up in a different thread, but, what has happened to the animal that killed our Brother, Nate Taylor? SSC, I know were on a different topic, my apologies.
PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE, STOP SHOWING UP TO WORK HUNG OVER, AND GET A FUCKING GRIP OLD TIMERS!!!
4/15/2009 08:00:00 PM
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MSF is no different than the TRU
I'm sorry you werent picked for the unit. Better luck next time. No hard feelings? Oh I see you already have them.
OUR GUY WAS AN ASS BOTTOM LINE IS U DONT DRIVE DRUNK PERIOD STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING-IT WAS WRONG WHAT HE DID
Hey asshole, we dont call each other our "guy", mr. citizen.
Enforce the immigration laws.
The ignorant family members believe the det. should not get bail. In other words, their ignorance and lack of intelligence believe police should be treated worse than a gangbanger(family members).
So can someone confirm that they were stopped there to spray paint? If they were, they really are to blame for their own deaths.
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what do we do-ask them? I am all for Joe to get his day in court, and any mitigating circumstances will be heard there, or they should be. But as to them being to blame for their own deaths? Was Joe's car the only other one on the Ryan? Or were the non intoxicated other hundreds of cars able to see their car and drive around it. They may have been stopped for something illegal, but I don't think that we can say that they are to blame for their own deaths. Let's see what happens in court.
Anonymous said...
8th district, 1st watch, locked up 2 taggers memorializing the two dead kids last night. One was charged with a misd. the other with a felony due to previous convictions. Good job tom and sonja, keep up the good work.
4/15/2009 02:24:00 PM
where were they found tagging at?
God bless the CPD and their families.
#1 - the victims were not "kids," but rather grown men.
#2 - below are some of the comments posted on a memorial blog for one of the victims. Not only is it possible/likely that these men were also drunk (coming home from a bar at 3:30am), but perhaps high as well...
"Me and you painting side by side, young boys...telling our parents we only tag on permission walls. Hahah."
"I hope you're smokin that Heaven kush up top."
" I will always remember the times we chilled, smokin by the lake..."
"i can remember the old days... skatin around wentworth park running from the cops"
"And I was just with you last night at the club partying having a good time you had a big ol' smile on your face saying your living like a boss lol."
"god knows you were in that car rappin along to some song chillin' gonna go home and smoke a b."
One of the two had a flask on him.
"When a drunken cop hits and kills 2 people, saying something stupid like this is a BAD MOVE. It doesn't matter if there's any truth to it, SAYING IT IS STUPID."
4/15/2009 05:31:00 PM
Absolutely. Why let facts inconvenience a good cop bashing tale, thank you Suntimes/Tribune. A cop was drunk, and was wrong, but why let any mitigating factors ruin a good chance to make all cops out to be assholes
Everyone needs to STFU for a moment.
NO ONE, repeating for the learning impaired, NO ONE has said drunk PO was in any way shape or form right.
Get over that. He was WRONG.
Everyone got that? Good. I think we all agree.
Now, there seems to be some evidence that the two victims were engaged in illegal activity, or may have been impaired. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THAT A DRUNK PO MADE THEIR ACTIONS FATAL INSTEAD OF JUST STUPID.
But it is fact, and its sickening to hear the press present them for sainthood, to vilify the police. And, its OK to be pissed at the BS press. And the tearful relatives saying what model human beings they were. don't make me gag.
It hurts when a couple of POS like this die, it was wrong, and one of ours is at fault.
You want to vilify all drinking cops? Thats uncalled for. Most of them drink responsibly. You want to confine your drinking to your basement? You are free to, its the ultimate safe drinking establishment.
Think you might have a problem? get help.
You want to rant about demon rum? then don't drink. We can respect that. Feeling holier than thou about your lack of drinking? GFY. If you can't stand to see others drink, maybe you could go out Wheaton and see if the Baptist College is hiring.
You want to canonize the little darlings who were killed, or want CPD to shoulder some sort of collective guilt? Go see if the Slum Times or one of the reverends are hiring
But the bitching back and forth: We are squabbling like kids. Stop it. We all agree on the basic facts.
Learn and apply what this tough lesson is teaching. Save your fighting for the savages in the hood.
Oh, Crap!
Let's just fire everyone!
Fire the Mayor, the Alderpersons, everyone at S & S, the Water Dept, Forestery, J-Fraud,
Fire Commish, Luberman, Everyone that works for the county.
Fire everyone that works at the Board of Trade, Bank of America, everyone that works in every office building downtown, all of the media.
Fire everyone that has a drink anywhere in this state!
FIRE THEM ALL BECAUSE THEY DRINK!
the two gusy in the car werent pillars of society And they were likely up to no good when the accident happened.
Assuming that it happened like the papers said it happened...
It still was a rear ender with a driver who was allegedly three times the legal limit, who took an oath which allowed him to be held to a higher standard in his professional and private life
Lets call a spade a spade
Taggers get Tagged....News at 11!
Is being born deserving of a death sentence?
4/15/2009 08:23:00 PM
That is a very philosophical question. The very fact that one is born, and lives means that one must some day die. I shall ponder that over another drink, it will be easier to accept my own mortality that way.
What is with all these assholes with 15-20+ years on that cannot control their drinking??? This isnt 1970 any more, gramps! Stop getting fucked up and driving around! Say what you want about "hair gel" but the fact is most drunks on this job are old timers! Walk into Dugans, Tommys, TRs etc etc and you will see wall to wall old timers drinking thier sorrows away! Maybe, JUST MAYBE if a certain demographic on this job could control their drinking, we wouldnt come off looking like a bunch of drunken slobs! And maybe, JUST MAYBE if said demographic would stop putting alcohol on top of their priority list we wouldnt have to continuously hear the sob stories about the "bitch ex-wife" getting half your pensions! PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE, STOP SHOWING UP TO WORK HUNG OVER, AND GET A FUCKING GRIP OLD TIMERS!!!
4/15/2009 08:00:00 PM
Looks like someone let JR at the computer again! Maybe if a certain demographic could pull their heads out of their ass, they would see that their age group on the job drinks and drives too! Always showin’ off, seeing how tough they really are… You are 100% right, I’ve never sat next to some punk in their 20’s hung-over at roll-call. Some punk in their 20’s NEVER just got off probation, got fucked up on New Years Eve, plowed into a viaduct and paralyzed one of their own class members! Got fucked up, tried to run from the suburban police, then hit a car load of teens, killing them. Look up some history, kiddy.
Do yourself a favor kid, THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! And remember what daddy told you “Little children should be seen, not heard”. By the time you realize that you are a snot-nosed little punk bitch, it will be too late!
Was at Bourbon the other night (Drinking diet 7-Up) and there was a stroke wearing the typical hard-on "Homicide" shirt. You can always tell the 2 year wonders.
4/15/2009 06:39:00 PM
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Anybody can buy those. I've seen some hillbilly fuck tourists wearing those, brand new. Got our CPD logo all over it though.
Ummm, could we please have professional courtesy as taggers not to lock us up. We have a funeral to go to!
Was at Bourbon the other night (Drinking diet 7-Up) and there was a stroke wearing the typical hard-on "Homicide" shirt. You can always tell the 2 year wonders.
4/15/2009 06:39:00 PM
right....because I have NEVER seen a "no-hair police" walking around their favorite watering hole wearing a KMA hat with a checkerboard brim... "no-hair police" are the BIGGEST drunken morons on this department!
4/15/2009 07:55:00 PM
Ha, Ha, Ha... sweet shirt dude!
was driving past the "make shift" memorial set up for the 2 kids on the dan Ryan and found it to be a bit strange that there were beer Cans and bottles there.
4/15/2009 09:29:00 AM
It wasnt strange it was remains from Frugolis truck that the DOT didnt clean up yet.
Anyone hear the idiot on Zone 6 last night? Awesome MSF copper, screaming like he was getting killed because someone was reversing down Peoria. MSF is no different than the TRU tards. "OH MY GOD SQUAD
HE'S REVERSING DOWN PEORIA!!! HE'S GOING IN REVERSE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BLOCK!!!!!" Morons everyone of you asshats.
TRU....yeah there's a joke. Over fed over ribboned loud mouth know it all suckholes.But one of them is about to get rammed good and hard without the grease,kiss or reacharound.
Does it matter who the victims were? This guy killed two PEOPLE because he was driving drunk!!!!
right....because I have NEVER seen a "no-hair police" walking around their favorite watering hole wearing a KMA hat with a checkerboard brim... "no-hair police" are the BIGGEST drunken morons on this department!
4/15/2009 07:55:00 PM
Shaddddddup ya pussy go back to suckin the Sgt's teat.
This man has got to be the dumbest motherfucker on the face of the planet.
4/15/2009 08:57:00 PM
Right after Wuss I mean Weis and the Lil Fat greasy bastard(Daley)
"What is with all these assholes with 15-20+ years on that cannot control their drinking??? This isnt 1970 any more, gramps!"
You are the dumbest mother fucker to ever make a comment on this blog. Probably.
Many of the fine men and women who came on this job many years ago, did so for the same reasons that people still do today. They had a calling, they wanted to do a job that mattered, they wanted to support their families, or follow in the footsteps of their dad or uncle. They may have served in the military and in Vietnam.
They had to put up with the same bullshit clout babies, work before there was a union, and adapted to historic changes on this job of ours.
You know how corrosive police work can be to the soul. It changes everybody that comes on the job. It takes a great deal of effort to stay sane and normal after a busy weekend. You go home with the radio still talking in your ear. Years and years of this madness, of exposure to extreme conditions, of having to harden yourself to the inhumanity and tragedy you experience...let's see how you hold up after 20 years. That is, if you are a real working copper and not the "inside special unit bitch" that you sound like.
It's well known that the police suffer higher rates of alcoholism, depression, divorce, and suicide than the general population. Many of us die soon after we retire and never live to collect much of a pension. Many of us end up with heart disease.
I'm not defending this detective. He is responsible for his actions. Too bad he didn't get the rehab he needed long before.
But before you shoot your ignorant mouth off anymore, just remember these words of wisdom, "There but for the grace of God go I."
Officer, I wish you a long and happy life. By the way, I have 21 years on the job and I don't drink.
"no-hair police" are the BIGGEST drunken morons on this department
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Listen junior. The bald fattie boozers aren't the ones getting caught driving drunk and starting fights in bars.
This chain of events were apparently started by the taggers, it is too bad their dead but stupid things happed to stupid people.
I understand the outrage when lives are senselessly lost due to a drunk driver. But I have a question for all of the Chicago Graffiti Forum @
http://www.chicagograffiti.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=19
They have provided a link to Second City Cop on their web site spewing their HATE toward police officers.
Where is your OUTRAGE and HATE regarding the gang violence that has taken the lives of six pages worth of R.I.P. posts on your forum? What are all of YOU doing to stop the gang warfare? The very things that you are blaming the Chicago Police Dept. for (cover up, looking the other way), is a way of life in your communities when one of your brother's lives is taken by gang violence.
I'm not at all defending the officer in this incident, but I really do see something wrong when this incident can evoke so much emotion and yet when so many lives are taken by gang violence, YOU ACCEPT IT AND CONDONE IT AND DO NOTHING TO CHANGE IT.
Does it matter who the victims were? This guy killed two PEOPLE because he was driving drunk!!!!
4/16/2009 01:46:00 AM
So it doesn't matter that these "victims" may have been gang bangers and or taggers who contributed to their own deaths by stopping in a lane of traffic on a major expressway, in the dark, but it makes all the difference in the world that the drunk who hit them was employed by the CPD, right?
Bullshit. You can't have it both ways, even if the media allows for it.
Some snippets from Chicago Graffiti forum:
Disk RIP was involved in a car crash after drinking in memory of his best friend a day or two after Pen RIP was gunned down just off of Milwaukee and Diversey at the laundromat. MOM Thugz fo'life
R.I.P...
southside teen was found dead on train tracks he was apperently hit by a train. I heard all these people with different rumors of how he died. But for me, as soon as I heard it was on the tracks, I knew it had to be related to graff.
B4 THIS GRAFF CHIT...AND ALL THE WAY TO PRESENT...BOMBING WALSS,TRAINS,BUSES....POPPING PUNKS...SLUGS WIZZING BY...CHIT WE ARE BLOOD BROTHERS....TILL THE END...............WHAT BETTER RECOGNIZE....
Goof's tagged up and down 59th street, also the viaduct at 79th and Kedzie ...RIP AF24....2 morons locked up at 58th Harlem doing the same .....nice way to remember your upstanding friends... fuck up the neighborhood, these no-balls people are antisocial scum...
Listen junior. The bald fattie boozers aren't the ones getting caught driving drunk and starting fights in bars.
4/16/2009 06:03:00 AM
really? I could have SWORN frugoli had over 18 years on! And Abatte? Oh yeah, he looked like a hair gel! And Burge? Madjanowski? Jefferson park robbery crew? thats right... ALL A BUNCH OF NO HAIRS!!! (except abatte---white trash veteran mullet)
My money says if a burned spray can was found in the charred vehicle, they stopped to tag the wall from the car.
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They could have been returning from robbing a bank. It doesn't matter. They are dead because of a drunk driver, one who apparently has a long history of problems with alcohol. Sadly, it appears his friends and co-workers and employer who all knew of his issues, also failed him by not forcing him to deal with his problem.
You know how corrosive police work can be to the soul.
I was wondering how long into your ignorant rant it was going to take you to make an excuse for the drunken losers on this job! You sir, are whats known as an enabler! YOU are worse than the frugolis and every other piss drunk slob poor excuse of a cop! Talk about a dumb motherfucker! I particularly like this one...
It's well known that the police suffer higher rates of alcoholism, depression, divorce, and suicide than the general population. Many of us die soon after we retire and never live to collect much of a pension. Many of us end up with heart disease.
EX-SQUEEZE-ME??? Can you really be that ignorant? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS??? It is the type of people that once were attracted to this job, NOT THE JOB ITSELF!!! MANY MANY people have stressful jobs... we arent the only ones! But years of choking down beef sandwiches, smoking pall malls, and bellying up to the bar at the end of damn near every shift is WHAT CAUSES THIS!! FACT" Alcohol leads to depression FACT: Depression leads to increased risk of suicide FACT: Depression + alcohol leads to increase risk of domestic abuse and divorce FACT: Excessive amounts of alcohol are a main contributor to heart disease, cancer and a slew of other health related problems! FACT: THE NO HAIR LIFE STYLE IS WHAT LEADS TO THIS, NOT THE NATURE OF THE JOB!!! GET A GRIP, SOBER UP, AND PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE!!! Until we as a society realize we are playing right into the hand of our own demise, we will continue to die an early death! Saying "the job is stressful" is nothing but an excuse... Are you trying to tell me even on the BEST of days it is sooooo stressful that you need to belly up and drink to a stupor? That sir, is an addiction! No-hair likes to make excuses for the grossly unhealthy lifestyle... Well, the buck stops here... I am no longer buying... And THAT is the way of this department nowadays! Like it or leave it... but dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!!!
Anonymous said...
When I was a kid, Cops were treated with respect. That's all out the door now. I was in the Home Depot lot today (off duty) and saw a woman getting assaulted by a...uh...parking lot begger type. I walked up to her and mentioned that I was a cop and that if she wanted, I would stay with her until he went away and she seemed appreciative. I wonder if people realize that they are easy prey for the right person. Its very sad how we are viewed by the general public now.
4/15/2009 05:45:00 PM
in my opinion they were treated with respect however people are now opening their eyes and seeing how some of them truly are. im not saying all of them are bad but some of them in the force are corrupted and many know that. those are the ones making the whole force look bad and thats why we view them differently. but one question is in mind which is if its the publics fault for them being so corrupted or just plain human ignorance?
wow, some of the comments on here are just plain ignorant. you would think by now police would catch on to the difference of graffiti and gangs marking territory with symbols such as pitchforks. i would also assume that the police would have the common sense to see that they did participate in graffiti and may or may not have had supplies with them at the time the accident occured. that, under no circumstances, means they were in the act of writing graffiti. having a heart of a normal human being i also realize and wish other people would realize this was the loss of two lives. two young people will not see the rest of their lives and that CAN be blamed on someone who decided to get behind the wheel of a car drunk. to make all these idiotic comments just goes to show that there is little hope for humanity to civilized. this shouldn't be about cops vs graffiti. this should definitely be about a person making a mistake and having it cost two people their lives. the person making said mistake should consequently take their punishment. a punishment that shouldn't be swayed by anything other than the fact that he was drunk driving and killed two people in the act of it.
No one here is an angel. For the guy posting comments from websites about the victims. I bet, you were running wild in Mt. Greenwood or beverly. Probably dropping your copper daddy's name when stopped by CPD. So just shut your pipe hole. No one is right in this situation.
I for one am sick of the "two-year wonders" talking shit about the veterans on this blog!
These "entitled ones" think that can come on this job and "run the show"! Sorry junior, you don't know SHIT about this job, and you don't even know SHIT about life yet! You crawled out from behind mommies skirt, went to your frat party college for four years, and now think that makes you the POLICE? Whatta fuckin joke! It's you know-it-all college pukes that's the very problem with this job now! How many times did you get piss in your pants drunk stupid at your frat parties junior?
So before you go bashing the "no-hairs" on this job asshole, remember that it was the "no-hairs" that made this union and fought for the very benefits you spoiled brats are taking advantage of now.
You have no idea what sacrifices the veteran officers on this job made while you were still nursing on mommies tits. Like rotating watches, day-off groups changed as soon as your weekends came around, being detailed anywhere in the city at anytime, no uniform allowance, no duty availability, NO UNION, etc, etc, etc...
So "JUNIOR", before you run your mouth anymore, why don't you do what THOUSANDS of (NO-HAIR) officers have done for decades before you were ever thought of did. SHUT YOUR MOUTH, PAY YOUR DUES AND YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING! Instead of acting like the spoon-fed, entitled, know-it-all you come off as!
ps: And I'm 47 and have more hair than most of you twenty-somethings i see on this job! What? Smokin all that dope in college make your hair fall out?
Ok people,
we don't know the details of either incident; however, degrading the victim is not going to help the situation. What if it had been your child or the squad car that was allegedly hit had ended in fatalities?
I dont believe they are degrading the victims or trying to justify the officer's act. What they are saying is that the victim's may have contributed to their own fate. 1. Also, possibly drinking 2. Pulled over on the highway without any lights on 3. Possibly ready to tag. (Remember, if you have a flat and have know where to pull over, you dont stop in the middle of a highway).
Again, this doesn't change the fact that the Officer was wrong and condone his action.
OUR GUY WAS AN ASS BOTTOM LINE IS U DONT DRIVE DRUNK PERIOD STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING-IT WAS WRONG WHAT HE DID
People are not justifying his actions. What they are saying is that the victim's hold some accountability for their own demise. They were committing a petty crime and died doing something stupid because someone drank and drove.
"Lets call a spade a spade
4/15/2009 11:48:00 PM"
Only an utter moron would sit in a car parked smack dab in the middle of an active expressway lane at 3am.
Only an idiot wouldn't think that, seeing as there is no visible back up of vehicles behind him, as in, nothing between his vehicle's ass end and any approaching from the rear vehicle, and, knowing that the average vehicular speed on an expressway is 45 - 65 mph, it might be likely that one would not be safe continuing to remain seated in that parked vehicle.
As in, if one weren't completely clueless, one would get the fuck out of the area.
If the news report that the driver of the struck vehicle had the time to call someone on his cell phone, wouldn't that indicate he also had the time to exit his vehicle and move his ass to a less perilous location? If, indeed, his vehicle was truly disabled and if, indeed, that was why the vehicle was stopped dead smack dab in the middle of an active lane of the expressway?
When crossing the road, even the quickest rabbits get run over.
And these two twinkies were just sitting there.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
"(especially since the vehicle was a small car)"
It was a dodge intrepid THAT'S a small car? it's bigger than a crown vic...dumbass. Spray paint in the back you think that made the car explode into flames? It was hit from behind and has the same defect as the crown vics with the placement of the tank. That's why if your squad gets hit at that same speed the same thing will happen and your fuel tank will be compromised. Whats next they had a pack of lighters and the butane made the car go up in flames? do your research before making stupid ass comments.
Maybe the CPD should consider the "2nd Chance Rule" like the CFD has. If an officer gets caught drinking, they should be required to go for treatment PRIOR to being suspended/fired. The CPD would rather discipline than help. THE DEPARTMENT is just as accountable by not addressing the issues.
OUR GUY WAS AN ASS BOTTOM LINE IS U DONT DRIVE DRUNK PERIOD STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING-IT WAS WRONG WHAT HE DID
--You're such a martyr.
Really? They were hit form behind and killed. He was 3x the legal limit - so what would anything else matter at this point? And pitchforks? What does that have anything to do with this?
--They were stopped in a traffic lane, no lights on, in a blind curve area. There are circumstances dear. It's a tragic event all the way around.
Does it matter who the victims were? This guy killed two PEOPLE because he was driving drunk!!!!
--------------------------------- Good Mr. Citizen. Does it matter a PERSON rear ended the two? How does that fit into your position you fucking liberal hater.
FIRST OFF WEATHER THEY WERE TAGGERS OR NOT THEY WHERE PPL... AND FOR THE RECORD MINS B4 THEY WERE STRUCK BY A drunK OFF DUTY COP FAUSTO WHO WAS IN THE CAR MADE A PHONE CALL TO A FRIEND SAYN THEY HAD A FLAT AND THE TOW TRUCK WAS ON THEY WAY. SO NO MATTER WHAT U ALL WANNA DO OR SAY TO PROTECT THIS COP HE WAS WRONG FOR DRIVING DRUNK, AND THEN LEAVING THE SEEN.. AND FOR THE FACT THAT WHERE TAGGERS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS... ALSO FOR THE RECORD THEY WERE IN COLLEGE ONE DEPAUL AND THE OTHER MORAINE VALLEY BOTH GOING TO SCHOOL FOR ART AND MUSIC SO IF ANYTHING THEY WERE ARTIST NOT TAGGERS..
PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE, STOP SHOWING UP TO WORK HUNG OVER, AND GET A FUCKING GRIP OLD TIMERS!!!
AMEN BOTHER..tell it like it is. dont let the man get you down, oh and by the way.. STFU!!! you complete Moron..come see me in 011 I'll straighten your lil' beaver out.
"13 going on 20" and c-y! and all my time in 011 & no,not to dumb to leave, but too smart.look around the writing is on the wall.
LIFM
Anonymous said...
Does it matter who the victims were? This guy killed two PEOPLE because he was driving drunk!!!!
4/16/2009 01:46:00 AM
I drove by the site of the accident. There is a blind curve just before the site of the accident. Late at night, anyone would have hot that car. That was a accident waiting to happen. If they had a flat tire why not drive up to the ramp? That was a absolute horrible place to stop for a flat tire. Anyone with common sense would have driven further to a safe area. Unfortunately, the ODPO was DUI. Otherwise this was a nonincident.
The Officer and at least one of the victims were graduates of De LaSalle institute, the same school where SHORTSHANKS graduated from. Right across the street from the new headquarters.
Sad Shit.
Your useless point is what????? Just felt like typing something
SCC,
They might have been idiots or even doing something illegal. But the SOLE reason they are dead is because one of our own . . .
4/15/2009 12:17:00 PM
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Wrong!
There are more than one factors why they are dead.
Their stopping on the Dan Ryan in a lane of traffic attempting to do something illegal is a contributing factor to their death.
4/15/2009 08:37:00 PM
correct, my friend's dad years ago rear-ended a car that parked in a traffic lane on the dan ryan for no apparent reason. it was the other dude's fault. now frugoli is guilty of a dui and should be fired, but he is innocent of reckless homicide. if all it is true that they parked in the traffic lane?
"no-hair police" are the BIGGEST drunken morons on this department
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Listen junior. The bald fattie boozers aren't the ones getting caught driving drunk and starting fights in bars.
4/16/2009 06:03:00 AM
Easy there tough guy go get some metamucil and a chill pill. The boozers are the problem, wether they be bald, comb over, moussed, geled or faux hawked. You drink you get behind the wheel it's on you. There is no professional courtesey when you crash and kill someone.
Rule 19 from the City Personal Rules Book:
Section 15:
Engaging in any act or conduct Prohibited by the Municipal Code of the City, Illinois Compiled Statutes, etc....
In other words: Drunk Driving.
Fire the Cop.....and any others that Drive OUIL/DUI.
And I don't lament the demise of taggers....but they didn't deserve to burn to death.
4/15/2009 08:22:00 PM
Nice try you fucking Depaul activists. You make us other latinos look stupid when you talk in front of a news camera try not to sound too ghetto. I.E "you know this youn latino was trying to turn his life aroun( sound of lips smacking). By the way what the fuck is OUIL? I hope when you graduate you can get a job at McD's as a fry-o-lator operator.
To 4/15/2009 08:23:00 PM
Depends on the life
The bald fattie boozers aren't the ones ...starting fights in bars.
4/16/2009 06:03:00 AM
I think Officer A----- from bar on the Northwest side fits that description
Whoever the boss is in 009 that is letting people protest in front of his home is BALL-LESS!!!!
.but they didn't deserve to burn to death.
--A lot of things happen that people do not deserve, but shit happens. It's part of life and part of death.
The Officer and at least one of the victims were graduates of De LaSalle institute, the same school where SHORTSHANKS graduated from. Right across the street from the new headquarters.
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half the cops in 009 and otherwise graduated from de la salle...your point is?
WOW! I am really amazed at some of these comments. I am here scratching my head, would it really make a difference if it was at 3 pm vs. 3 am? Really come on?
Regardless of whether or not those kids were there to tag, bottom line is that COP has multiple slaps on the wrist for similar incidents and moving violations.
You cannot deny that, nor the fact that the city of chicago in general is still so corrupt and filled with money hungry lazy asses who do half assed jobs and collect huge paychecks provided to them curtesy of the citizens of the city.
I am talking cops, city workers you know the ones that are supposed to be fixing the sidewalks or pot holes on your street but instead sit in their blue trucks and have a snooze! DCFS workers that are to dumb to see a child in danger and do nothing to save a life.
Really bottom line is keep those kids vices, and bad habits out of the picture. It is very unfortunate that they were at the wrong place at the wrong time for what ever reason got them there.
That cop should have lost his job & license years ago!! Not a slap on the wrist, most certainly multiple slaps on the wrist.
When I was around 20 I was driving home from a show with my bf and we seen a friend of his pulled over on the shoulder on the 55 he was piss drunk but he at least realized it and pulled over.
My boyfriend knowing where he lives jumped in his car and drove him home, I followed him. When we left him we left him sleeping in his passenger seat, knocked on the door with no answer, so we took the keys out of the ignition and left them in his mailbox. We didn't know which unit was his or we whould have taken him up.
Would you believe he was arrested for DUI lost his license and was on probation for one year. Had to go to AA which in my eyes was good (going to AA). The arresting officer did not want to believe him when he said that a friend dropped him off and that he had not been driving not even after they called to verify.
Amazing isn't it, too bad this guy wasn't CPO he could have gotten a slap on the wrist! He of course thanks my now husband and me as saving his life because he realized that it could have ended badly.
Call me naive but given the track record the city of Chicago has, I am inclined to beleive that the guys did have a flat tire & anything else is a feable attempt by the city to cover it up or some how blame those 2 guys.
Crushed and burned is not a good way to go and if you think it is justice because they were "street artists" then how do you feel about phedofiles and murderers how should they be punished?
The PO's are there to uphold the law and be the #1 example of what every good citizen should do, that is what the citizens of Chicago pay him for!
I can also think of one decorated officer who lost his life while on duty, how? From a car crash and guess what he wasn't wearing a seatbelt,interesting?! Isn't that a law? Wearing a seatbelt? These are your servants citizens of Chicago with their double standards and invincibility to all laws.
Does it matter who the victims were? This guy killed two PEOPLE because he was driving drunk!!!!
4/16/2009 01:46:00 AM
How about two drunk and high vandals almost killed that drunk while coming home from a club and stopping off to tag in the middle of the night on the expressway? Nope, now no one really cares.
FIRST OFF WEATHER THEY WERE TAGGERS OR NOT THEY WHERE PPL... AND FOR THE RECORD MINS B4 THEY WERE STRUCK BY A drunK OFF DUTY COP FAUSTO WHO WAS IN THE CAR MADE A PHONE CALL TO A FRIEND SAYN THEY HAD A FLAT...
4/16/2009 01:11:00 PM
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Did any of you have taggers fuck up your property with their shit.
I did,and I think they deserve what they got, fuck them, their paint cans and their stupidity.
This is like the two "young innocent" boys who were killed last year near Damen and Belmont. The two boys pulled out in front of a bus and were hit by an off duty officer who never saw them. The innocent boys were wrong, yet the whore State's Attorney kept fucking with the officer until he got the charges he wanted. If the officer was DUI and the attorney's can prove it then do what you gotta do. If not stop fucking with him.
"EX-SQUEEZE-ME??? Can you really be that ignorant? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS??? It is the type of people that once were attracted to this job, NOT THE JOB ITSELF!!! MANY MANY people have stressful jobs..."
I stand by what I said. You are the dumbest motherfucker to post on this blog. And you obviously are some do-nothing inside clout baby bitch. No point in arguing with anyone who is as thick headed as you are. And what the fuck is with the expression, "ex-squeeze-me?" Grow up.
Can we make flyers denouncing taggers and gang bangers and hang them all over "our" taxpayers paid cta?
Anonymous said...
Did any of you have taggers fuck up your property with their shit.
I did,and I think they deserve what they got, fuck them, their paint cans and their stupidity.
This is like the two "young innocent" boys who were killed last year near Damen and Belmont. The two boys pulled out in front of a bus and were hit by an off duty officer who never saw them. The innocent boys were wrong, yet the whore State's Attorney kept fucking with the officer until he got the charges he wanted. If the officer was DUI and the attorney's can prove it then do what you gotta do. If not stop fucking with him.
4/17/2009 01:16:00 AM
The asa are not our friends! They are liberal part of the daley machine!
"Nothing good happens at 300am" Where have I heard that one?
I thought these two young guys were going to their advanced math class at the University of Chicago. No? they were what, out drinking and tagging? Oh say it ain't so.
The two guys killed in 019 on Thanksgiving 2007, they also were out seeking adult beverages and/or entertainment when they stopped breathing, also in the magic hours when no one up to any good is on the street.
Still, that detective should have been forced into alcohol treatment of some kind long before this. As it is, he will have a chance to attend AA meetings in prison.
"These are your servants citizens of Chicago with their double standards and invincibility to all laws.
4/16/2009 10:13:00 PM"
I take it SCC posted this sincere expression of an ignorant person's perspective as an example of just how fucking stupid some of our city's residents are.
So, to not allow this excellent example of ignorance to be wasted, I offer my analysis of the most ignorant parts of this long winded, empty headed diatribe:
1. "I am here scratching my head, would it really make a difference if it was at 3 pm vs. 3 am? Really come on?"
Uh, yes, yes it would.
Because, at 3pm, there would have been several key differences:
a) the sun would have been shining down onto that part of the world, illuminating every object upon which it's rays landed, thus providing those operating approaching vehicles far greater visibility.
b) the number of vehicles traveling southbound at the location where impact occurred would have been significantly greater, thus imposing, via the laws of physics, (ie., no two bodies can occupy the same space at the same time), a general and significant reduction in the rate of movement of all vehicular traffic in the area.
c) any vehicle passing the area where the vehicle was stopped would have seen the allegedly disabled vehicle, and either reduced their speed of travel as they passed said vehicle, or would have been forced to come to a complete stop, were they unfortunate enough to have been behind said allegedly disabled vehicle, or behind vehicles stopped behind the stopped vehicle, thus building a line of stopped vehicles directly behind said disabled vehicle.
d) the officer in question would not have been there.
e) the struck vehicle, controlled by an individual who lacked the sense to not stop in an active expressway lane of traffic, would have been blessed with the opportunity to not have to pay for his lack of sense, by being struck by a vehicle traveling at 50+ mph, since the abundance of vehicles backed up behind him would have become a buffer either preventing his vehicle from being struck at all or, at worst, causing a vehicle, or vehicles, behind him to be struck, with the domino effect substantially reducing the impact to his vehicle.
f) that is, if the struck vehicle would have been there at 3pm.
2. "Regardless of whether or not those kids were there to tag, bottom line is that COP has multiple slaps on the wrist for similar incidents and moving violations."
No, the bottom line is that, if the victims were 'there to tag', then they deliberately stopped their vehicle in an active lane on the expressway, and they are the primary cause of the resulting collision.
And if they were not 'there to tag', their stupidity in not continuing to drive on a flat tire, until they had moved their vehicle to a location not blocking an active lane of the expressway, also means they are the primary cause of the resulting collision.
3. "Really bottom line is keep those kids vices, and bad habits out of the picture. It is very unfortunate that they were at the wrong place at the wrong time for what ever reason got them there."
No, it's not merely 'unfortunate', it's significant.
And relevant to honestly determining cause and fault, ie., responsibility.
4. "Call me naive but given the track record the city of Chicago has, I am inclined to beleive that the guys did have a flat tire & anything else is a feable attempt by the city to cover it up or some how blame those 2 guys."
I wouldn't give you credit for being naive.
Ignorant, yes, naive, no.
5. "The PO's are there to uphold the law and be the #1 example of what every good citizen should do, that is what the citizens of Chicago pay him for!"
Since you are, obviously, not one of those citizens who actually earns the money, from which a large portion is subsequently taken in taxations, said taxes which then are used to pay the salaries/wages of those employed as Chicago
Police Officers, I suggest that you reassess your assumption that you are 'entitled' to define what cops are 'there for'.
I'll stop now, before I really feel the need to get piss drunk.
Oddly enough, I was near Sheffield and Webster today driving by, and IIRC, this is where one of those funerals were being held. You should have seen this Buick parked outside with 24" rims..real winners here!
WTF? said...
Anyone think it a tad odd, or even completely inappropriate, that someone thought it okay to place two full beer bottles at the site of the make shift memorial presumably in the victims' honor?
WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!! Does that lessen what the odpo did? I don't think so.
Reading all these posts one can identify those are from the "tagger" community.
Want to know how?
None of them know how to write, spell, or use proper grammer.
This is the future of our country!
We are in deep shit.
To the unpublished asshat:
Well, since we never publish anything that ends with, "We bet you won't post this," we guess you win the bet. Too bad no one was betting against you.
Tell us, do you play with yourself often?
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