35th Street Birdie
Here we go. Typical overreaction:
- *** THIS JUST IN FROM A 35TH STREET INSIDER...
J-Fed's "Think Tank" is drawing up plans as we speak to do premise checks in concert with the licensing unit at "liquor establishments known to be frequented by P.O.'s". Those patrons believed to be, or otherwise identified as ODPO's, will be asked to identify themselves. Interviews with the bartender/manager as to number of drinks consumed, time in establishment, etcetera will be conducted if they believe the ODPO is "impaired".
In addition, another "policy group" suggestion is to monitor the perimeters of such locations doing "vehicular grid searches" with the equivalent of a plate-reading vehicle that will "hit" when a vehicle in close proximity to the drinking establishment comes back registered to a P.O. (this should be nightmare-ish to those of us with cars registered to 35/Michigan who like their pops).
Now here comes the best part: when the details are all worked out in this latest knee-jerk-reaction, they'll be asking for volunteers to be detailed to this newly-created unit!! Preliminary numbers of 2 Sergeants and 12 P.O.'s. Officers with DUI experience/breath technician certification will be sought-out to step-up for the "cause".
A handful of gold stars and their confidantes were assembled last- minute Sunday night to develop this plan to try and minimize the fallout created by Saturday's tragedy; seems the midget on the 5th floor was absolutely livid about the "possible negative ramifications" over the bad publicity generated by this latest CPD fuck-up and the collateral damage once the IOC got wind of the event. The midget wants to make it internationally known that he won't tolerate first-responders who engage in behavior that would jeopardize the citizenry/taxpayers (which means dampen his Olympic quest).
I promise more on this subject once I can put my ear back on the wall. In the meantime, use your heads, brothers and sisters. It certainly looks like it's going to get a lot worse before the shit storm clears.
While we agree that something must be done regarding drinking and driving, this sounds suspiciously like "profiling" as it singles out a certain group of people based on the behaviors of a miniscule few. What happened to "Not on my Department"?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 7:55 AM
268 Comments:
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
This place is a fucking joke. Who is offering laterals?
they used to do the same thing in front of the mayors house, the trick of course is vigil vs. picketing. I won't put the exact details on here but just what I saw on the news didn't violate the statute, but I only saw a small portion of it..
Whatever? more mumbo jumbo from these gold star idiots.
SCC you need too put out the word asap about tea party tomorrow. Mancow is helping organize, he was there with us. Word is Acorn is sending street thugs to start trouble. Please put the word out.
If these "cop hunters" hit the old
Grand/Central or Major Hall, make sure they "hablan español"....
Simple.......never ever attend another unit or district Xmas party......that want a morale killer when then help them out
I have just under 3 years on this job. I did my training in 015, transferred to 011, and have recently made the move to MSF. You can tell I am no slouch. I put in my full tour, lock up the bad guys, do my job, and go home to my family at the end of the night. I have seen men, women, and children die lying in the streets. I Have seen an old man burn alive for being at the wrong place at the wrong time... I could go on and on but you get my point... In my time here (and before this at the Orland Park PD) I have pretty much seen and done it all!
You might as well signed your name sinced you blew your cover by mentioning you used to be in Orland Park PD, Im sure those guys in OPPD were celebrating after they got rid of your arrogant ass. And by the way, MSF is desperate that they'll even take the 14 yoa police impersonator. IDIOT. Working 8 - 10 hrs with you must be so fucking painful hearing your war stories bullshit.
Bring 'em on. the first round is on me.
I dont drink so I could care less!
I only have a few drinks while at home and thats a rare ocassion!
Every true American should be at tea party tomorrow talk is cheap this is a statment, remember the revolution started with action like this. If you can make and dont go shame on you. Noon at Daley center.
COPPERS BAR WOULD BECOME EXTINCT!
I KNOW AND EVEN BETTER WAY J-FED PROMTION PARTIES FOR LT'S AND COMMANDERS. HAVE IAD DO STAKE OUT AND VIDEO THE PARKING LOT. THEN HAVE 1 OF YOUR RAT SQUAD INSIDE COUNTING DRINKS OF EXEMPTS.
HOW ABOUT ALL THOSE EVENT FOR CANCER THIS AND HEART ATTACK THAT!
PEOPLE DRINK AT THOSE TOO.
OR HOW ABOUT AT DA MAYORS FUND RAISER I ALWAYS SEE EXEMPTS THESE IN THEIR 200 DOLLAR MENS WAREHOUSE SPECIAL SUITS.
HOW ABOUT A 2000$ STIPENED TO NOT DRINK AT ALL ENFORCE BY A SIGHNED CONTRACT.
IF A SGT WANTS TO KNOW WHO I AM OFF DUTY DO I START GETTING PAID OVERTIME WHEN HE ASK?
IF I IGNORE HIM THEN WHAT HE ARREST ME FOR SITTING IN A BAR DRINKING LEGALLY.
WHY NOT PUT GPS DEVICES IN ALL R ID'S SO J-FED CAN TRACK US TOO! ANY ONE DRIVING AROUND AFTER 12 AM WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY THE CPD SKY VEHICLE!
I KNOW I KNOW HOW ABOUT ANY TIME IM DRUNK I CALL 911 AND U SEND A GANG TEAM CAR TOO ME AND HAVE THEM DROP ME OFF AT HOME. THEY CAN FILL OUT A CONTACT CARD ON ME AT THE SAME TIME AND GET THEIR NUMBER UP.
let's face it, too many of us drink and drive. As does the rest of the population. But the penalties are much harsher for us but we still do it - we might lose our job. would have done it last night also but this whole thing got me thinking about a lot of things and I stayed home. Will it change my behavior a year from now? To be honest - not sure. But for the time being it will.
Joey always did fuck everything up for everybody. Now the same clout that protected his do nothing drunken ass is going to fuck over everybody else for what he did. Meritorious is a joke.
Did someone say PROFILING? Oh I can't wait. When the first copper(s) get caught up in this if this truely goes ahead, the lawsuits will be filed so fast it will make your head spin. Hey, maybe even a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against the city, Daley, Weis, and any other Einstein that signed off on this.
I wonder if they even consulted with their own law department? And what happens if this crack unit snares an exempt or son/daughter of one? Will they be given official department exempt "passes"?
Well boys and girls, this all sounds laughable but remember what happened with Aunt Bea. The condo was in her name, a person living there was caught with guns and drugs during the execution of a search warrent. So what happened to the lawful owner of the property? NOTHING! That got swept under the rug so frickin fast the dust has yet to settle.
Point here is this department has demonstrated that it will do what it wants to whom it wants. Unless we all band together (attend union meetings)and show a united front they will continue to walk all over us.
It's your choice.
How about reporting all of the take home city police cars issued out as clout favors or because the boss likes you which serves absolutely no police service but costs city tax payers millions of dollars a year. The cars where there is absolutely no chance you will called out for a police shooting or similar event but are still issued out only as a favor
Shit I understand this was a tragedy but when did the men and women of the CPD sign away their Constitutional Rights away. Are we second class citizens now? Are we to be harassed when off duty? Are the drinking establishments now targets also?
I understand drugs are illegal, but until drinking is a crime this city and department needs to stay out of our personal lives unless they plan to pay me around the clock. I don't expect to be treated above the law, but not below it either. Hello FOP and ACLU, we need to fight this!!!!!!
probably, not. What is his probable cause? Is he special? Will these 12 coppers be given special powers? will they hold me down to find my i.d. in my wallet? haha, stop being a scaredy cat scc!!! Profiling doesn't just apply to blacks and it doesn't matter how good their intentions are, i have the right to remain silent.
If you've done nothing other than you are in a tavern they haven't got shit on you. If you are enough of a regular, I'm sure the staff will lie for you and you know who is an outsider and needs to be watched. I aint blowing shit because I have done nothing that violates any law or Department Order. The FOP needs to step up for once. Thanks allot Fat Joe.
He was identified early on as a Dept. Member w/a serious drink problem. But due to his connects nothing was done until this tragedy occurred. As you aptly stated, the kneejerk reaction is classic. The non-connected officer gets fucked because of some goof w/juice. Nothing new here.
Yeah OK.
since we are all to be held to a higher standard and the super is going to attack the "cocktail circuit" can we also include the following-- 2 year wonders working the desk who have never made a felony pinch -- people promoted because their daddy was a boss or their neighbor is an alderman -- people who have never worked an 8 hour tour in their career -- all the medical roll abusers ===>----
Anybody see this yet??
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Controversial-Cop-Unit-Expanding.html
The best choice would have been for fellow officers to have dealt with these kind of problems before they became multiple felonies. Since that didn't happen, and there is a distinct pattern of it not happening over a long period of time, I guess I cannot blame the brass for coming up with something, even if it seems like overkill.
This kind of thing is an embarrassment not just to the city and the CPD, but to every officer who knew about this guy's troubles but chose to do nothing about it.
How are they going to know if I'm an off duty cop? Do they plan on walking up to every patron at these local drinking establishments and demand to see everybody's ID? If I don't carry my gun, badge or police ID aren't I free to walk away from these fools just like every other person? It's called civil rights, perhaps you've heard of them jody. While I don't condone the actions of det. frugoli or any other person that decides to get shitfaced then get behind the wheel, I do have the right to enjoy myself on my time off just like every other person in this cesspool of a city. Hey ald. beale, you want to take away my duty availability check? Well then ANYTHING I do off duty is my and only my business.
Sound to me it might be a violation of our constitutional rights--where's their p/c to run plates??? And then target those individuals? What if you're in Dugan's drinking diet coke? And they make you blow? I see a lawsuit, a BIG lawsuit.
He's got to be fuc**ng kidding!
Tread carefully J-Fed.
SCC,
Does CPD have a general order which requires you(the off duty PO) to identify yourself as a PO to an on duty officer or boss if they ask???
I know its usually professional courtesy to do so but I don't know of any state statute that requires it.
Signed
A suburban cop.
It sounds like the democratic way, "big daddy" watching. Soon J-fed will try and have breathaltsers installed in every police officers auto (whether they drink or not) just to make sure no cop drinks and drives. We pay you so we own you!!!!!!
I can't wait for this to happen!!!! I'm going to go enjoy myself at a nice cop bar drinking water and diet coke all night, wait for these so called automatic plate identifiers to pick up on my plate, I'm going to sway and stagger on my way to my vehicle, wait to get pulled over, refuse any and all SFST's, get to the station, tell IAD to go fuck off, get booked for DUI then demand to go to the hospital because I'm feeling lightheaded and dizzy from not eating for a while. While at the hospital I'm going to demand they draw blood, then sue the ever loving piss out of the suckhole cop who volunteered for this and the civil rights violating city for wrongful arrest. Take my LARGE check, resign and move south where they still respect and appreciate their police. Fuck this city, mayor, alderman, stuperintendant and all the loving garbage that this city caters to everyday. Enough of the police having NO rights on or off duty.
WE all know J-Pud is a liberal and this is the typical way to respond.Instead of being pro-active they are re-active. Lets wait until the shit hits the fan and then we'll do something about it. We won't think it through but as long as it's something we'll look good. The white candy ass liberal will be the death of this country.
Sounds like the typical unsubstantiated rumor that gets printed as fact on this blog. Please tell me that we're not all weak-minded enough to believe it.
Those patrons believed to be, or otherwise identified as ODPO's, will be asked to identify themselves.
Two words:
B-L-O-W M-E!
But it's ok when the midget's kid has a drunken brawl dope smoking party at the family get away in Michigan, then later sucks up an appointment to the United States Military Academy at West Point that some deserving young person would've loved to get, and then gets booted out!
plate-reading vehicle that will "hit" when a vehicle in close proximity to the drinking establishment comes back registered to a P.O. (this should be nightmare-ish to those of us with cars registered to 35/Michigan who like their pops).
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HAHAHAHAHAH
Ok, having worked the plate reader (ALPR) for a while, I know that they don't do that. Ok, maybe IN THEORY they can, but in reality NO WAY.
If you drive an ALPR past a wrought iron fence, it will register and scan a plate of "11111111"--NO JOKE. Also if you have a tow ball hook infront of the plate, that will block the scan.
Do not fear the ALPR.
newly-created unit!! Preliminary numbers of 2 Sergeants and 12 P.O.'s. Officers with DUI experience/breath technician certification will be sought-out to step-up for the "cause".
IF I have Clout (Bridgeport) do I still get out of sticky spots?? :) :) :)
Will they be looking for drunken firemen also? how about other city workers? What about the drunken aldermen? The drunk mayor? If you do to us be fair across the board! What is next? Check your shorts for skid marks? Plate readers used for this? big brother is here and watching? What about if they catch coppers cars outside gay bars? sports bars? bars where bets are made? strip club? What if they catch exempts would same questions be asked? What about think tank members?
OT: With the new MSF Unit of 50 PO's enforcing curfews -- Numbers were down but Weis said people are heeding the new law. JFed it is because NOBODY is writing curfews with this long form that we have now.
When mentioned that PO's are not happy about losing more PO's to the unit, Weis called staffing in the districts "more than adequate."
Are you fucking kidding me ?????
I happen to live in close proximity to a couple of taverns which could be considered "cop bars." And by close proximity, I mean these establishments are within 2 blocks at the furthest from my residence. So, if I am off-duty and out with the wife having a couple of cocktails, and i am walking, some big shooter from 35th street has the right to walk in and ask me what I do for a living? What if I tell them i work as an accountant? Is this a rule violation? And what happens if they ask the bartender and, since he/she knows me, he lies to the 35th street hack? Is he/she hindering an investigation? Can they be locked up?
What happened on the Dan Ryan was tragic. There is no denying that. And I understand the whole "intoxicated" off-duty rule. But, don't we have rights anymore? What is the probable cause? Bigwig says "I hear this could be a cop bar. Go ask everyone what they do for a living and make them prove it, and if they don't comply, lock them up." This is the city's probable cause to harrass anyone they feel fit because they "might" be an officer? This sounds like one giant civil rights suit coming up. Are city inspectors gonna start entering bars nailing anyone who is a city worker? This sounds more like Nazi Germany than anything with Daley and Jody playing the role of Hitler.
Daley is anti-liquor. Since he has been in power, city liquor licenses has plummeted. The ammount of taverns in the city has, i believe, been cut in half. Daley has also shown that he is anti-small business by taxing the living hell out of them. Could this be another way for Richie to eliminate taverns, which don't fit his "quality of life" criteria? Cops drink there, suddenly code violations fall out of thin air, owner can't pay, bar closes. Nothing would suprise me with the two arrogant idiots (daley/Jody) who run CPD.
Be safe out there. Ride out the the latest set back. Do your job and back each other up. Just be smart. The city is looking to make examples out of us and appear to be hell-bent on it. Give up the keys, cab it. Remember, we have no rights in Daley/Jody's Nazi Chicago.
I CALL BULLSHIT
Instead of shooting from the hip maybe the powers that be could try to find the cause of excessive drinking by some police officers and the cause of higher than average suicide rates among police. It would seem logical to me that such an effort would help target troubled police officers, get them help and prevent another tragedy.
big shock, maybe they should get some of our boozehound bosses and let them tell us how to eat, piss, shit, and sleep, oh wait they are trying to do that, but since they put out the ideas it doesn't apply to them.
Wouldn't a little personal responsibility be a novel idea?
While I agree 100% Coppers should not be driving drunk---How can there be a G.O. regarding police officers being drunk, off duty, but not driving? This violates our constitutional rights! Can any attorneys out there respond to this?
Hmmm, if the department plans to start "targeting" a particular group of people for a specific crime, sounds like "PROFILING" to me!
Sounds like a civil rights violation lawsuit! $$$$
OH MY FUCKING GOD! Is this man (Weis) a TOTAL jagoff!
Focus on crime you idiot!
---not a cop
I work in an area that jfuck frequents. i will be sure to make sure he and his wife are following laws as well. I dont have anything to lose so I dont care. Be careful botox boy, Im watching every move u make
This policy is a violation of civil rights. If someone approaches me at a bar asking for identification, I would tell him to go fuck himself. Ever heard of probable cause?
And just exactly how are they going to prove you won't leave the bar and get a ride, take a cab, or get on a bus? Are they really going to pay cops to stake out cops in bars for a DUI arrest?? What a waste!! Here's an idea, how about coming up with a proactive plan to assist cops in getting home safely?
Sorry, another rant from lil' george. I see that the powers-that-be, in an effort to cut down on CPS "student" deaths, have decided to pull another 50 people out of districts to form another MSF unit. Jody calls pulling these P.O's (that is the abbreviation for "police officer" in case Jody reads this) out of districts a "viable tradeoff". Weiss calls the staffing in districts "more than adequate." Jody, you sir are a "viable jag-off." These officers are to be deployed in areas where most of this violence takes place.
Is Jody's answer to every situation a re-deployment of blue shirts? Homicides are up, reform SOS (MSF) and deploy them to hot areas. Homicides are up, deploy the Area 5 gang team to Area 1, knoweledge of the area be damned. Crime is low in tax-paying beats? Deploy that beat car to a hot beat to handle calls. This guy has no clue. And speaking of answering calls, who is going to answer calls? In essence, P.O.'s are going to be taken out of busier districts (005, 007, 008, 010, 011, 015 etc.) and then re-deployed right back to these spots due to the fact that this is where most of the CPS students who are dying live. Except these cars won't be answering calls. It's pretty much robbing Peter to rob Paul.
Now to the "adequately staffed" districts. Jody, i would like you to personally knock on the door of the citizen, who due to an all- night backlog, has just waited for 8 hours for a car to come and take a report because these jobs are "low priority." You sir explain to them why they couldn't sleep all night because they were waiting for the police to provide a basic service. You explain to them why they have to go to work worn out because basic service was deemed not important enough for them in a timely fashion. You sir explain that OEMC can't/will not send a 99 unit to their house for a lot of jobs due to safety concerns. You tell them that their beat car has been downed for the night because there are not enough officers to fill it and that their neighborhood is not worthy of the police protection that they pay for. It's easy for you to not provide basic police service because you don't have to listen to the complaints and pissed off people. You just hide behind your desk and the media's magic # of 13,500 cops and bow to the mayor and reverands. You, sir, are out of touch with reality, and, by being so, are increasing the reality that I will be seriously hurt on this job. Hope you sleep well. The blood is on your hands.
OT- all 3 of the Tahoes that originally came to 007 are down due to the same problem. Some kind of transmission problem wher the back end is locking up. Just guessing the others will have the same fate. All have less than 3,000 miles. Anyone else having these issues?
The pension board held a workshop at 35 St. on the recently passed portability pension law today. This applies to around 1,500 PO's in our department. Can you post something about this?
Thank GOD!!! This hopefully will deter officers from drinking and driving....Let's face it...you will all bitch and moan but what if it was you??? I think you would deep down appreciate the fact if someone were to stop you before you lost your freedon,life,home,marrage etc....I do not endorse drinking/driving...never did ...never would...Think of all the $$ you could save and spend on your kids....not on your liver...We need to do something about this...and mabey this is the only answer...Nothing "cool" or being"one of the guys" to go out and get shitfaced and drive a 3-5000 pound deadly weapon....Get your heads out of your asses...DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE...Take a Friggin cab / bus/ limo/ call for a squad car etc....
I am now retired ( thank god! ).
Years ago, when a copper was a bad drunk, we used to be able to call a wagon and send him for detox, he was put on the medical, and assuming he went with the program, no harm, no foul.
Also, we had a place on Hubbard Street called the Friendship Club, where a guy could get help and support without all the city hall nonsense that goes on now.
Now everything is botched up with politically heavy clout babies trying to get a soft spot and nonsensical paperwork and bosses that just mess with the troops, diving them to drink and also suicide! This new crop of bosses are not doing anything to relieve the hige amount of stress the poor parolman has.
I can't wait to get in on the Civil Rights Class action lawsuit that is going to happen because of this!
They are acting like this is NAZI Germany and NOT the United States of America!
Everyone have "their papers in order"!
I am not a PO but I wish there was a way to get rid of J-Fed he is the such a joke.
Always reacting in some stupid way instead of running the department like a real police officer would.
does this mean we are on duty 24hours/365? what about cabs or designated drivers? typical knee-jerk reaction from the usual suspects. what about our civil rights? if we are held to the highest standards...we SHOULD BE PAID TO THAT STANDARD! i dont drink/medical condition...but i like to see live music at clubs. are they gonna ban me? are they gonna embarass me and make me blow into a machine? when the machine reads all 000 can i get a number on them?
He needs to crack the whip on CFD. Why is it that PO gets stripped possibly loses job but CFD gets a couple chances. They get DUI have to do classes and so on and they are ok as long as they don't get another in the same year. I know plenty of firemen with multiple DUI's. They piss hot and they get the same deal just not to get caught again that year. Where our me to clause?
I'd start at 5th floor hq... some of the decisions seem to come from a dunk tank, rather than a think tank... perhaps they have been tipping the sauce?
With enough luck and war stores, people in this unit might be able to score with a washed out, stuck in the 80's skank at Teasers and then finish up the night with a burrito from TBK for the way home.
Count me in. YEA!
another waste of taxpayers dollars, and police manpower. Why doesn't the Dept. establish a hotline for off duty officers to call for help, if they drink too much in public, and get a squad to go and take them home, with an officer to drive the off d. police officers vehicle home. CPD could even call the officer a cab, and it could be deducted from the OD cops pay, so the Taxpayers wouldn't get the bill. These million dollar ideas from the wiz-kids downtown are bloated, wasteful, and overblown. Has the Dept. EVER sent its officers to an in-service training session for educating them on proper handling alcohol related problems? What a bunch of Kool Aid drinkers we do have at H.Q. In a time that taxpayers are way overburdened and manpower is low, we get this as a bright idea. Doesn't our legal Department realize that snooping on officers like this is highly illegal, and the CPD will definately get sued, and it will cost the Taxpayers even more money in the long run. A simple cab ride or a bit of help would be much more cost effective. This sounds more like a revenge tactic from little Boy-Daley, for our picketing. Unbelievable. Sometimes I have a hard time believing that I still live in the United States.
I'm pretty sure that there has to be a reason to enter plates into the Automated License Plate Reader System (ALPR). If I find out my plate has been entered into the system for no reason other than employment, the ext lawsuit they will get to worry about will be the one filed by the ACLU on our behalf.
The problem is not drinking, it's drinking & DRIVING..if they show at a bar while I'm off duty, that's fine, they can have someone drive me home when I feel that I've had enough & and ready to leave...free ride home...
It's all politics. Every little thing that gets done in this dept. As blue shirts and those selfless white shirts we can't be divided. A house divided amongst itself can never stand. We will continue to prove this. Maybe we'll figure something out?
What a dumbass solution to this problem. What would happen to an ODPO who refused to identify themselves? Who's to say who is an ODPO or a civilian? What about the right to be left alone and not bothered while you're on your own time? There is absolutely no probable cause to even approach someone minding his own business drinking on his own time. Now if they get behind the wheel when they leave all shit faced then that is another story. This is not going to be an easy situation to fix, but something must be done. A simple solution would be to simply remind everyone that they can call any district for a ride home, no questions asked.
There is a simple answer for this. Go to bars in the suburbs. There are many decent bars in the suburbs where the drink prices are reasonable and you do not have to deal with the crap in the city. If you decide to go to a bar in the city,DO NOT IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS A POLICE OFFICER. Save all the war stories and please do not come after work in your work pants with a jersey. Also, when you go to a bar,do not have a million things in the window to identify yourself as the police. The point i am making is we do not have to worry about this knee jerk reaction if we use common sense and use our heads.
To: JFed
From: P/O
21APR09 1200hrs
FOP Union Meeting
R/O wishes to vote in advance "no confidence" for Jody P Weis as Superintendent of the Chicago Police Department. See you at the meeting. I hope you weren't lying when you said that if you were the reason for low morale you would quit.
Here's THE solution:
DO NOT patronize any place in the city while off-duty.
This includes BARS and RESTAURANTS!!
AND PLEASE; if you want to get fuc%ed up - Do it in your basement or garage at home!
(Just don't get so drunk that you'll turn into a liberal PUSSY and beat your wife up like
NEIL STEINBERG! [Sun-Times SCUM] )
How about a special number that you can call to ask for a ride home? I believe Jody said he would come and pick us up if you had to much to drink?
Ray Hamilton Thanks
sounds like bullshit. believe it when you see it.
Don't drink ( or spend any $) in Chicago. Go to the burns and avoid the taxes and the riff raff.
Cuckoo.
Wow! What the hell is happening? What the hell is happening back home? Since when is it illegal to drink at a bar? If I want to get drunk at a bar, it's my choice. Who the hell does this guy think he is? Oh and his policy group. Little missy who can be a drunk slob herself is trying to make this policy? I can understand that you shouldnt get drunk and drive but, good God, who the fuck do these people think they are? Typical Feb bullshit big brother bs. No offense, but if you're still working out there while this asshole is still in charge, then you're a fool. Good luck trying to impliment that policy.
Here's a idea, have ODPO's call the sation and have a car drive them home. We're all adults here and can be treated as such. There is NO WAY he can do this
hmmmm sound slike big brother.. does this mean we will be going into bars where doctors , lawyers, alderman ect drink. we seem to be the only group that is publisised when we do something like this. no it is not right what occured but he was like any other proffesion when he was off duty. Oh yea the police are never off duty.. Well then if the alderman get 6% for a part time job .... We the police should be due ____________ fill in the blank for a job that we are on 24/7/365. 6% isnt even a start. Stay safe brothers and sisters in blue.... we only have each other.
Grid searches with plate readers? It's against G.O. to park on the street within a block of somewhere that has a liquor license. Hahahahaha!!!! Oh please try to jam me up for that one!!!!
Haven't drank in bars in years. Avoids all kinds of problems.
Luckily I just drink in my basement while watching some awesome movies on my 46" TV!
Come on by! You don't have to deal with jerks nor tipping bitchy bartenders. Wipe your feet at the door!
Here's a way to defeat this shit... Take a cab!!!
I wonder which strokes are going to join this new unit
OK, maybe I'm missing something. Is it illegal to be buzzed in a bar? If so, then they should check the impairment of ALL patrons.
FOP should be consulting civil rights atty's ASAP. This smacks of Gestapo tactics.
Anybody who volunteers for something like that should be tarred, feathered and hung from a flagpole. But yet, I'll bet some mushes will go.
I don't condone drinking and driving. I've lost too many friends back in the seventies when the drinking age was nineteen.
In our society, alcohol is the most abused drug in the USA. Our department is a reflection of our society. The problem with drunk driving involves our society, not just our department.
Approximately 13,000 motorists are killed in this country by DUI related driving. The terrible truth of DUI fatalities is this: None of the drunk drivers involved had any intention to harm anyone when they started the car.
Our politicians pound their chests and proclaim tougher laws against drunk driving. That's a fine idea, but history proves DUI deaths won't be reduced by tougher laws. But the fatalities may be reduced by educating the consumer. There is a small graph available that shows your body weight and the number of alcoholic drinks consumed over a period of time. By using the graph, you can determine your blood alcohol content. It’s a small graph that can fit on the back of a beer can or bottle. When it comes to beer drinking, at least the consumer will have an idea of his blood alcohol content before getting behind the wheel of a car. If we can put directions on a bottle of aspirin for proper use, we can put directions on a can of beer.
I speak from experience. Years ago I stopped drinking and joined the police department. During DUI training, we were shown the DUI graph. After using this graph, I looked back at my life and realized every weekend in college during the seventies I drove my car, I was drunk. I didn’t intend to drive drunk; at the time I didn’t think I was drunk or “that drunk”. Back then, I visualized the word “drunk” as the staggering drunk character named “Otis” on the Andy Griffith show. I was very fortunate not to kill anyone back then.
As I said, I was fortunate not have killed anybody while driving intoxicated. But I knew guys who had. They were good guys. They were not big drinkers. One was involved in a fatal accident on his birthday; he passed out and collided head-on with another car, killing its occupant. His BAC was .13. This occurred two weeks before he was to start the academy after being hired by the Homewood Police Department. His life long dream of being a police officer was over.
Another driver was a guy I grew up with. He was driving while intoxicated and killed a guy while home on Christmas break from Indiana State University. He was nineteen years old at the time. This occurred in mid-seventies. He wasn’t physically injured in the traffic crash, but emotionally he was. He eventually drifted away from his friends and ran with a different crowd. We lost contact with him. Years later, I ran into him at my twenty-fifth high school anniversary. He just had a liver transplant and appeared to be on the road to recovery. Two years later I read his name in the obituaries. I found out he returned to drinking. It killed him.
Many attempts have been made to reduce DUI fatalities. None of them worked. If anybody else has an idea how to reduce them, post it.
By the way, shame on any supervisor that discourages DUI enforcement. In my career, I dealt with a number of you. I had contempt for you back then. After reading about Frugoli, I can only shake my head and wonder how the hell did any you get promoted to supervisor. Then I realized something; every supervisor I dealt with that discouraged DUI had one of two things in common: They had clout or they were alcoholics.
Bring it on, when I walk out that back door and pray that some one on duty denies me the professional courtesy after I identify myself as a P.O. It will make headlines. Enough is enough.
UNLESS DRINKING ALCOHOL SUDDENLY BECAME ILLEGAL, THE DEPT CAN STICK IT . PLEASE VIOLATE MY CIVIL RIGHTS I NEED THE MONEY MR MAYOR.
Guess you will have to change the name from J-Fed to "Big Brother" like in Geroge Orwell's book. He is watching you. Next they will be checking the neighbornood crime stopper cameras and focusing them on the front door of the taverns. Jody, you really need to hang it up, move on, ride off into the sunset, or whatever you want to call you resigning-you just don't fit in, can't you get that into that thick head of yours??????
NO REFORM=JFED HE GONE
Can you say... "HOUSE PARTY?"Sure, I knew ya could!
B.Y.O.S.B.
(Bring Your Own Sleeping Bag)
If a PO is off duty and having a drink, what law have they violated? How will a sergeant or oficer determine impariment? Will they use standard field sobriety tests, designed for drivers? What tests exist for a person who is standing or sitting on a bar stool? Will they use PBT's? Can they order a PO to drive to a station for a breath test? Administrative blow for walking? Where will they find two sergeants qualified to detect so called impairment? Can they order a PO to leave? Gosh, I hope FOP takes a stand. This idea opens PO's to horrible abuses of due process.
LYNARD SKYNARD SAYS " FOLEY SAID WE CANT DRINK IN THE BAR WHAT A SHAME,SO COME ON SWEET GIRL AND HAVE A DRINK OF CHAMPAGNE"
what about the gold stars drinking and driving drunk.. how about mealer drinking at the steakhouse on higgins and cumberland.. THEN GETTING INTO HIS DEPARTMENT VEHICLE AND DRIVING.. O THE RULES DONT APPLY TO THE GOLDSTARS.. KIND OF LIKE AUNT "B" WITH THE DRUG HOUSE, THAT WENT AWAY QUICKLY..
Let one of these fucking idiots try to stop me if I've had a few pops and don't get into my car. We'll see who has the last laugh. Is j-pud gonna make me blow if I'm not driving?I'm already conspiring with my attorney buddy as to how we can fuck this city with a lawsuit for drinking off-duty! This is gonna be great!
It will not be long until these cocksuckers are in our homes hidding in our closets. What about our 1st adem rights. FUCK YOU
Sounds like a good candidate for a lawsuit based on civil rights violation.
I think shortshank should resign his post due to the off duty detective action.
Anybody who joins this unit is a company chooch.
How many times has this dept been sued by its own members and the dept lost and lost big time. This is going to be a golden oppurtunity fuck fuck both the midget and j-pud!
new contract will require a hair sample from all o..'s once a year
that retired with HIBBITY JUBBITY JIBBITY JABBITY Supt Hillard!
Do your drinking at unlicensed social clubs on the west side. Trust me no one will bother you.
Has anyone contacted Steve Wilkos for support with the contract and the march?
you mean to tell me i can't go out and have a drink? i am over 21. wtf j fed. i hope to see you out sometime. bring your fucking plate reader with you. i hope you chase me. i will sue the fuck out of you, the mayor and every little piece of shit that has anything to do with this "cause". make me run from you and crash... PLease!!!
SCC,
Your bullshit sniffer must be broken. That entire post is one big scam.
Oh good this will give ignornamous useless evil stufshes something to do.
Do the liquor establishments have to generate a "Statistical Study Card" to make sure there is no "profiling" happening
Uh oh, look out Hinky Dinks! Haha, and TR's too!
I live 1/2 a block from one of these off-duty "drinking establishments". Wait until the department gets a number on me for parking in front of my house! cha-ching!
I think we can assume that they're looking at what NYPD and LAPD (consent decree version) are doing on this. Not to keep beating this drum but look at LAPD website and see how we are taking on the consent decree framework. The tipping point will be J-fed's leaving, or some put up job of a scandal that critics pronounce to be proof positive CPD has run amok. A great police department is almost on the rocks. A new "Risk Management" policy is a lawyer's answer...oh, i think I see the problem now!
First of all, I'm glad shortshanks is livid. If there is anything I can do to help him continue to remain in that state, let me know. I'm always willing to help out. Secondly, if I'm sitting in a bar and somebody comes up and ask's me to identify myself, it better be a good looking broad, otherwise they will simply get my best "fuck you". And lastly, a big FUCK YOU to Hizzoner, J-Fed, Sgt. Ray Hamilton, Karen Bartuch and any other lowlife scum sucking cowardly cocksucker that assists these assholes in ANY endeavor they attempt!
All of you boys can come over to my place. They will never find you there. I'll make you some of my famous white wine spritzers and then you can....
Kees me you fool!!!!
Those gurly men will be too afraid to check the joints I drink at.
Hey Beatrice, bring me another Blue Ribbon and a shot of Kessler. Set the place up.
As PO's, if we're off duty and have the misfortune of encountering this B.S. unit (if they actually go through with it) and we happen to be driving home from working late or making a run for the border for a midnight snack, totally sober and not otherwise engaging in any immoral/illegal/questionable/
suspicious behavior and they harrass/stop/detain/question us just because we are off duty CPD, without any real cause, can we file a civil rights violation lawsuit? Or are we not allowed to have our civil rights violated just like our peace cannot be breached? If we could file such a suit, I saw we do stone cold sober off duty wolf packs at 3 AM around Dugan's until everyone has had their turn getting harrassed.
I am going to put on some blue polyester pants, tac boots and a Cubs shirt....Then Im going to get hammered at a bar on halsted...When they ask me to ID, i will tell them to go tell Jody and the midget to fuck off !!! Dont worry, I will have a designated driver ! And a lawyer.....
If you become the victim of this witch hunt, don't forget to submit your overtime slip and check the CASH box.
If my off-duty activities are going to be impinged upon by my job, you'd better believe I'm going to be paid for it.
Or sue. THAT payday should be far more lucrative down the road.
Sort of feels like we work in Nazi Germany, doesn't it?
Sounds like a load of bullshit. I would think that what one does on their off-duty time is their personal business. If the city wants you to obey the on-duty rules while off duty, shouldn't they pay you like you were on duty 24/7/365? Where is the FOP on this? J-Fed should realize that this will only hurt morale more. This will not curve alcohol abuse by police officers but only contribute to it by giving them lower morale and more reasons to be angry at work.
God bless the CPD and nobody else.
"...the midget on the 5th floor was absolutely livid about...the collateral damage once the IOC got wind of the event."
Oh, that must have been a sight.
I knew there had to be an up side to all this.
I'm sure that putting radio collars on drinking coppers will impress the IOC more than antiterrorism training with M4s, new ambulances, a police radio system that works...but we don't have the money for that stuff anyway.
Christ. People are impressed by your quiet, well-mannered Rottweiler -- not by the great big heavy chain you put on it after it bites them. "See! This here's a Master lock. Master. That's the best. Seven pins in that cylinder and a case-hardened shackle! That sombitch'll never get out of that! Bad dog!"
The victim limps away bleeding and shaking his head...
MAYOR DALEY IS CLINICALLY INSANE
WTF This should really help morale. One fuking asshat is responsible for this but lets hurt the whole Dept. I dont drink but know that when were removing a dead body or dealing with a bad Domestic that involved kids, Some guys go out and have a couple drinks. So now your going to fuck working coppers who are out just having a few and make him blow or touch the tip of his nose with the tip of his finger? Hey J-Fed, Id love to touch the inside of your ass with the tip of my Boot...
This sounds like complete bullshit
And what happened to "Invasion of Privacy"? Good luck trying to enforce this bullshit through the court system. To initiate an investigation into the private activities of an employee without a documented complaint or lawful authority, and to conduct that investigation of an employee during that employee's non-employment hours and force that employee to cooperate in such an investigation is an invasion of that employee's privacy and a violation of that individuals rights as an employee. A similar situation exists when you are required to comply with a work related investigation such as a SPAR or CR# or PISS test, unless there is criminal activity alleged and the investigation has legal cause to proceed to determine if a law has been broken, the investigation must be conducted during your working hours and you cannot be forced to submit to involvement during non-working hours. In that situation, you may refuse to involve yourself until you are back on duty during your work hours to cooperate. Think they can make you take a piss test without probable cause or lawful complaint? Not on your life.
In short, there is no probable cause to investigate or detain or question you because your vehicle is parked near a liquor establishment nor is there probable cause to investigate your personal drinking habits with other patrons or tavern employees without LEGAL probable cause for the investigation. Continual employment investigations against employees are currently limited to random drug testing. This is only legally allowed because it is allegedly "random" and you were informed this was a condition of employement before accepting that employment. Taking direct enforcement action around liquor establishments in an effort to contrive a rule violation is a violation of your rights as an employee and can be actionable.
No one on this job that I know of has given their consent in writing to the department granting them the right to investigate you at any time they want to without a lawful complaint or probable cause. Nobody.
They tried the same bullshit with the bucal swab shit if you'll recall... they found out real fuckin' quick they couldn't force a god damn one of us to participate in it and thought we'd be stupid enough to sign away our rights.
Good luck fuckers... please pull it on me first!! I'd like to pay off my house & car and take a nice year long leave of absence to travel.
I go out I don't admit i'm a po anyways. Anyone that goes to that unit better watch their backs. Rat Fucks.
Morale really sucks. You know what cures it immediately? A retro check (one that the wife doesn't know about) and a raise.
It has been too long without a contract...and this city wants to host the 2016 Olympics and it can't get a simple police contract done....F'en amazing!
There's a streaming video on the last copper that got convicted of dui/reckless homicide. I think you should all view it. I don't remember what it is called, I'll have to check when I go to work tonight.
J-Fed will have no problem getting 12 p.o's and a sgt. for that detail. Too many coopers who write other coppers, firemen and city workers around. He'll have coppers and p.o.'s banging down the door to work on that detail.
Why don't they start at some of the "promotional parties" since they want to be such wise guys!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder how many clout heavy people attend those, while driving department vehicles and drink while they are at the event. I dont drink so I really don't care what they do, but if they do it do it FAIRLY and not just to the little guys. We can all name bosses who come to work boozed up.
thats why I sit in my basement and get piss drunk every night! My neighbors know better than to knock on my door after 8pm if they dont want to be on the opposite end of a drunken tirade!!! Go ahead, knock on my door IAD/1st deputy... Guess what... NOT GOING TO ANSWER THE DOOR!!! And I will be sitting within eye shot of your dumb asses as you knock away with negative results! Hell, I may even toast a shot to ya! But unless you have a search warrant... GET FUCKED!!!
Dugans on Halsted is now cursed forever. Glad I stopped that foolishness 20 years ago.
First off, if you have the misfortune or really can't control yourself enough to refrain from drinking and driving and you are involved in an incident. REFUSE TO BLOW!!! (1) Its all the evidence needed to convict you in a DUI and the administrative blow can be used criminally now!!! (2) Politely refuse the supervisory order and take your chances with discipline that is sure to follow.
I bet the first P.O. who does this and the department seeks to terminate will have excellent standing for a civil lawsuit against the city and a good chance of getting his job back. The time when we are treated like second class citizens with more restricted rights and freedoms when we are off-duty will someday end but it won't happen without a fight from the city.
By the way...the two mutts in the car were stopped spray painting graffiti along the viaducts on the interstate system when they were crunched.
Now drive along Halsted from Roosevelt to 22nd Street. The remaining members of their tagging crew hit several buildings "AFROE" we will miss you.
Pretty fucking sad when your the value of your life comes out of the end of a spray can and soon gets washed away by the graffiti blasters!
You'd have to be loaded to believe something like this is gonna happen. Why Mauer is probably rolling around in his grave. What? He's not dead yet? My bad.
Stop killing people with cars
Here is a noble idea... DONT DRINK AND DRIVE!!! If you cannot take the wake up call from the recent events, then you are a fucking moron who deserves to be snagged in this drag net! Ill say it again... DONT DRINK AND DRIVE!!! All the controversy aside, all the conspiracy theories aside, all the "profiling" aside, if you dont drink and drive YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!!! What the fuck... why is this so damn startling??? This isnt 1972! Those days are gone! You want to have a few drinks, fine... no one is saying you cannot have a beer or two... Control your drinking, stop acting like a bunch of teenagers at fucking prom, and stop creating this atmosphere! Remember... we did this to ourselves... The only way to revers this trend is to start acting like adults and stop acting like a bunch of drunk out of control morons! One more time for the no-hair police... DONT DRINK AND DRIVE!!!
He's got your back all right. I wouldn't trust Weiss behind me since he is already trying to fuck all of us.
I understand completely the Dept policy regarding intoxication on and off duty.
However, I believe that citizens do have constitutional rights and should I (if I were to say I was not a P.O) and I was approached by this team in a tavern and asked to i.d. myself for no other reason than to ascertain if I was a P.O., I would have to decline. Because, based on the fact that sitting in a tavern, consuming alcohol in the City of Shitcago is NOT a crime. It is nothing more than a dept. violation.
To interview a bartender as to the number of drinks that have been served to an individual, again, The liquor license of establishments does not require the barkeepers to track the number of drinks patrons have consumed.
I'd have to say that NO ONE in the licensed establishment is required to "give it up" so to speak.
Unless, the City of Shitcago outlaws liquor and the drinking of such, no one is required to identify themselves as ODPO's or to explain how many drinks that they may have consumed.
As to the monitoring of establishments: simple solution is to have someone else drive you or take a cab.
Something that the drinking po's should have been doing all along.
And the coup de grâce, would be to have anyone and I mean anyone, that is not the CPD, and is approached in an liquor establishment by this "team" of DUI experts and made to "id" themselves as to whether they are the police or not, SUE THE CITY.
SUE THE CITY BIG TIME.
This is a violation of civil rights. I hope this goes in the crapper so quick that J-Fraud and his "crack policy team" along with Queen Daley are sued and it costs the city millions.
Oh, this is priceless and will cost them. I am not saying that coppers should violate the G.O's but this is overboard.
The FOP should have a team of ODPO's follow every exempt to and from every benefit, promotion party, retirement party, after St. Jude's breakfast, Christmas party, check the know liquor establisments that they frequent, etc, etc, etc. Photo them driving. Photo them drinking. Turn about is fair play, right?
Ray Ray and Masters are two offenders as well as say, oh . . . go ahead name the exempts that you know and where they drink.
Game On.
Garfield Ridge birdie says a certain Alderman goes to Gerties every Friday and some Saturdays then drives home plastered.
Why don't all of you get together and start doing some little missions of your own? Go to the drinking establishments of the media and call them in to state police. Then if that does not work call MADD.
I am surprised that as resourceful as all of you are you have not done this.
People talk about it all of the time but I think the talk needs to stop. Just do it.
Don't let them make all of you out to be the rogue officers they think you are. Show the public what hypocrites the media really is.
Well, they should start at the bosses drinking establishments and especially their promotional parties!
If they need any undercover officers to drink for free at any local establishments to blend in and gain intel, Im there dudes!!
Hi people, Missy here again.
When I drink, it is at home with my 3 cats, and alone.
Since my lawyer husband left me, I have been drinking a little too much wine. Yes people, I stay at home and drink.
Stay safe,
Missy -001 district
(perking tocket GuRU)
Thank GOD!!! This hopefully will deter officers from drinking and driving....Let's face it...you will all bitch and moan but what if it was you??? I think you would deep down appreciate the fact if someone were to stop you before you lost your freedon,life,home,marrage etc....I do not endorse drinking/driving...never did ...never would...Think of all the $$ you could save and spend on your kids....not on your liver...We need to do something about this...and mabey this is the only answer...Nothing "cool" or being"one of the guys" to go out and get shitfaced and drive a 3-5000 pound deadly weapon....Get your heads out of your asses...DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE...Take a Friggin cab / bus/ limo/ call for a squad car etc....
4/14/2009 11:12:00 AM
____________________________
Maybe you aren't an adult, but I am. I know how much to have, I know how much I've had, I know how to plan ahead if I intend to have a reaaaaaallllly good time on occasion.
I don't need you, or anyone else, telling me how much THEY think is enough or too much. You aren't my mommy and Weis isn't, either. You aren't my closest friend and, frankly, you are some civilian, trying to sound like you just might be on the job.
Trust me; I would NOT be grateful for your interference in my life choices.
Do we still live in America, a free country, what is happening ? I will never go to a promotion party or fundraiser if this is the way they are going to treat us.
Was J-FED in a fender bender in 018 on sunday after his "i'm sure free brunch at the Four Seasons" on sunday. Any info?
SCC,
Does CPD have a general order which requires you(the off duty PO) to identify yourself as a PO to an on duty officer or boss if they ask???
I know its usually professional courtesy to do so but I don't know of any state statute that requires it.
Signed
A suburban cop.
4/14/2009 09:39:00 AM
What the rule says is that you must identify yourself to anyone who asks on or off duty, your name and star number.
If no one asks, you don't have a duty to identify. But this entire thread I find to be bullshit. It's bullshit that anyone would actually think such a thing would take place, and the replies are bullshit.
We're police, we enforce the laws and lead by example. When one of us pulls a shot like Frugoli did (even though he never meant it to happen, he did drive while drunk) we all suffer. And how do we react? We get indignant and whine.
How about this: Don't drive if you've been drinking. Don't drink so much you can't handle it. If you do, find a way home that doesn't require you to drive.
If you don't drive drunk, you can't get dui'd. Don't be stupid.
Off topic...radio announcer blasts caller regarding killing of four Oakland police officers....copy, paste and listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swjH4gdPoWg
All I know is that if any person Sgt. P.O., Lt., Capt or exempt member bothers me by demanding to know if I am a ODPO at the salad bar I'm gonna throw such a hissy fit... Here I am trying to belly up to an ice cold plate of amber wheat, barley, alfalfa sprouts or a nice red plate of beets I'm gonna FREAK OUT.... Do I have to show my I/D at a salad bar ?or what?
O/T Ohhhh yeah we did overhear what you said today about Det. LSC... at the meeting That was disgusting.
Hahahahaha
TFL...bud..
THE LITTLE DICK AND HIS MILLION DOLLAR BLOW JOB SHOULD'VE COME UP WITH THIS IDEA A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHILE ALDERMAN DOHERTY WAS IN HIS USUAL SHIT FACE MOOD AND ATTACKING CFD PARAMEDICS. MAYBE THE PLATE READER WOULD HAVE PREVENTED HIS AGGRAVATED BATTERY AGAINST A PROTECTED EMPLOYEE.
OH WAIT,,,TWO SETS OF RULES.
This city is run by Arch-Liberals.
They'll try to screw everyone of you guys in to the ground because one of you fucked up BIG time off duty. All to gain more power and control over you.
Yet, we don't see the same scrutiny by the Chicago political mofioso given to Pilots or Doctors or Bus drvers or Cabbies who have fucked up off the clock.
Daley wants all of you to put your pants on right leg first.
He's gonna outlaw cars next.
Had the drunk driver been an undocumented alien with prior DUI arrests, you would be hearing the sound of crickets where Daley's and the media's outrage was concerned.
Buck Naked
(not a cop)
But the penalties are much harsher for us but we still do it - we might lose our job.
And the penalty for the victims of drunk drinking are usually harsher than that-injuries, crippling or death. Grow up people!
Looney Rooney says:Just like the MSF clowns, they will attract the newbeees on the job who think that they have done the job..... Well listen hear... Don't drink to get wasted...Dont drink and drive....If you can't hanle more than one drink then dont have anymore that that.......
A sure as this episode had been a tremendous tragedy to so many people in so many families... learn from it.... The accident was cause to LEARN.....
Live equally (respect those around you.. including their safety)
Earn your maturity-know when to say when
Adice from people who tell you stop! should be heeded
Respect yourself and your decisions
Need to know that you matter to all of us!!!
The Department has you from the time you become the police. If you bothered to the read the Department's rules and regulations for other than promotional tests, you'd find a nifty rule that says that a Chicago Police officer will never be intoxicated.
Stop laughing - it's there.
You don't have to drink and drive car- you just have to be over the legal alcohol limit and they have your job.
Get a clue men and women in blue-the department sets it up like reckless driving- a catch all to grab you if you screw up or don't have enough clout.
Drink in Niles and other surrounding burbs. Make them work for it.
Not The Police said...
I am going to put on some blue polyester pants, tac boots and a Cubs shirt....Then Im going to get hammered at a bar on halsted...When they ask me to ID, i will tell them to go tell Jody and the midget to fuck off !!! Dont worry, I will have a designated driver ! And a lawyer.....
4/14/2009 04:02:00 PM
Great idea----I'm gonna go up to a bar on the northside and have some guy get in my pants and .....wait wait disregard
Drinking, Legal
All day in the bar, Legal.
Me telling you to FUCK OFF, Legal.
Question me, I'll get a cab home and call my lawyer! Fuck Jody, Fuck Daley AND FUCK YOU MSF FORMER ORLAND PARK PD!
The new unit will be special employment out of 35th st.
WHERE DO I SIGN UP FOR THIS UNIT.....
Where are the Insane Coho Fish when you need them?
wow, i hate to say this but there are a lot of douche bag comments on this thread. Read the rules and regs that you signed up for when taking this job. You can't be intoxicated on or off duty. PERIOD!!!! There is no lawyer that can beat that. Those rules and regs are written so vague that 99% of coppers, including all exempts and other white shirts, are in violation of 1 of those rules at least once a week if not more. Thats why they are written that way. If a higher up wants to fuck you, it really wouldn't be hard to. So stop bitchin. If you step on your dick and get caught, this administration will fuck you, end of story. I would love someone to show me one police officer that has yet to violate one of those rules and regs in his/her career...and that includes the recruits who just started in the academy. I'm sure they have even violated one or two already. This is all such nonsense. If the dept wants to get you, they can.
Believe it when I see it...other than that...B.S.!
You might as well signed your name sinced you blew your cover by mentioning you used to be in Orland Park PD, Im sure those guys in OPPD were celebrating after they got rid of your arrogant ass. And by the way, MSF is desperate that they'll even take the 14 yoa police impersonator. IDIOT. Working 8 - 10 hrs with you must be so fucking painful hearing your war stories bullshit.
Are you guys ever going to stop your cruel ignorant comments? Are you all so insecure that you need to pick on each other? Didnt mama give you enough love? thats why I rarely read this bs
Jody made a comment on CLTV re. we are treated different because we have the power of lethal force. Well I dont carry a gun when I get drunk so I should be treated like joe citizen. Off duty, Im no different.
The LEADS/SOS Systems can only be used for law enforcement purposes. This is an administrative use of the systems. It's probably contrary to state law.
We are one of the few professions that when you get a DUI you could lose your job. What Joe Public does not see is what we do and see on a daily basis. We live this job and bring it home. We see murder, rape, children being physically and sexually abused. Some of us drink to escape the reality of what happens that the suburbanite won't ever see or live through. We have a high rate of suicide. We have a high rate of divorce. We are on duty 24/7, and we are reminded of it every single day. Some of us do the best job we possibly can and stride to be the best. Yet we are paid less then many other city employees who don't have the responsibly or stress we have to live with. We are not respected by the public and we are seen as the enemy by many. Why do we do this?
We are our own worst enemies. No doubt!
3yrs on and worked in orland and you have seen it all? You are a fucking moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you have had a few too many and need a ride home call me any time @ 312 745-6100 0r 745-6158.
Sincerly,
Jody (prick) Weiss.
"I got your Back"
This year I am personally inviting jody and his fbi(never been the POLICE) buddies to my block party.
Any yes, my Lawyer will be sitting right next to me preparing the lawsuit.
Screw you shortshank and j-pud
I don't drink, so this won't affect me, but this is ridiculous. Crime is SKYROCKETING in Chicago and the biggest thing they're worried about are people in bars who happen to be police. Do they not realize that there are a shit ton of people driving drunk who AREN'T police???? Being a cop sucks these days. Especially when cops are targeted more than the crime itself in the city.
ANY ASSWIPE WHO DRIVES DRUNK DESERVES ANYTHING HE GETS.
Good, that disclaimer is out of the way. II seem if you talk sense about this some people stand up and say "typical cop he's covering for a killer." WRONG.
These alcohol involved event and posts are the same old crap every time, as follows:
Someone posts that we all drink too much. We shouldn't run our events with booze.
Someone had a merit bump says we are "held to a higher standard" which really means embarrass me and you will pay.
Someone who has finished his 12 steps or has found religion will condemn drink as a scourge.
Some civilian will post "You cops protect each other, you guys cover for drunken killers"
Someone will post back and tell the jerk to kiss off. The jerk will cry victim.
Some news guy will troll the board saying increasingly stupid things hoping someone will take the bait and post drunk and stupid.
Someone will. and you will see the stupid statement in print.
Someone going for a merit bump will condemn every event where there is alcohol, and suggest we all get "help".
Someone will tell him to get bent. That post will be held up as a prime example of "...the depth of the problem...".
Copwatch or some other 'concerned citizen' will hang out around bars, waiting to video someone actually having fun. If the footage is dull he may bait you, and then whore the video out to news shops.
A civilian or someone going for a merit bump will ask "how can you enforce laws when you drink yourself?"
No one will have the balls to say "very easily".
The phrase "sworn to uphold the law" will be used more than a hooker on saturday night.
Ratings time is coming up, at least one TV shop will do an expose. Much hand-wringing and about the nasty "cop culture" The term "above the law" will be used extensively.
Someone going for a merit bump will use the video footage in a training class. Much hand-wringing and self loathing about the nasty "cop culture". The term "above the law" will be used extensively.
And so on...until it dies out. The cycle will repeat later, when another tragedy happens.
We're human. We like to -- no, we are entitled to -- enjoy ourselves. Sometimes, being human, we are stupid. Stupidity is painful. The secret is not to be stupid, be smart.
Pulling PO's off the street to look for cop bars and troll is not smart. J-Fed's little speech about higher standards and giving up our rights is not smart. Getting behind the wheel plastered is not smart. Targeting coppers FOR POLITICAL REASONS is not smart.
So I guess WE have to be smart. The everyday blue shirt. Enjoy your comradeship and your pops, but be careful. Watch out for each other, and remember if you drive drunk, you could pay the price. Give up the keys, its not a disgrace or an assault on your manhood. its a good time ending well.
This is definitely getting ugly! Everybody is going to start to rat on each other and that will signal the end to the CPD as we all knew it! No free coffee, papers, no breaks to anyone on the street, just a bunch of mindless robots going about their business. No friends, just go home and sneak a beer hoping the neighbors don't see you! 1984, a little late but here it comes! Soma for everyone!
I have just under 3 years on this job. I did my training in 015, transferred to 011, and have recently made the move to MSF. You can tell I am no slouch. I put in my full tour, lock up the bad guys, do my job, and go home to my family at the end of the night. I have seen men, women, and children die lying in the streets. I Have seen an old man burn alive for being at the wrong place at the wrong time... I could go on and on but you get my point... In my time here (and before this at the Orland Park PD) I have pretty much seen and done it all!
With te addition of this little GEM, we should rename the (MSF) to "GEARS OF WAR" Go and get em tiger... YOU FUCKING BEAT OFF;)
When these gold star assholes hold their promotional parties trust me I'll be there videotaping shit faced bosses and other events which can embarass shortshanks. You wanna play "I spy"? We'll see who can do the best exposure. Especially in the press! Fight fire with fire!
Sound to me it might be a violation of our constitutional rights--where's their p/c to run plates??? And then target those individuals? What if you're in Dugan's drinking diet coke? And they make you blow? I see a lawsuit, a BIG lawsuit.
You do not need PC to run plates, bud.
Anonymous said...
I have just under 3 years on this job. I did my training in 015, transferred to 011, and have recently made the move to MSF. You can tell I am no slouch. I put in my full tour, lock up the bad guys, do my job, and go home to my family at the end of the night. I have seen men, women, and children die lying in the streets. I Have seen an old man burn alive for being at the wrong place at the wrong time... I could go on and on but you get my point... In my time here (and before this at the Orland Park PD) I have pretty much seen and done it all!
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This is a gag, right?
The mayor and every politician and everyone who lives in the neighborhood knows where to find a certain always drunk alderman in edison park every stinking day. He makes over 120 g's each year for a part time city job. Apparently he does not have to account for his work time, for his work productivity, for his extracurricular activity, nor for his reputation as a represented city official.
Weasel, if you want to waste more of our tax dollars on more officers following officers off duty, please do so. Just stand up and tell the citizens, the media and your weasal alderman buddy that is why police officers earn their incredibly low differential pay - because you and the news media both said it out loud - we are to be available and ready to report to work 24 hours per day.
TAX DAY TEA PARTY tomorrow 12:00-2:00 230 S Dearborn...Be There to express your displeasure.
4/14/2009 10:41:00 AM
Anonymous said...
I work in an area that jfuck frequents. i will be sure to make sure he and his wife are following laws as well. I dont have anything to lose so I dont care. Be careful botox boy, Im watching every move u make
4/14/2009 10:42:00 AM
Tell the rest of us and we will ALL watch mush muscles.
"By the way...the two mutts in the car were stopped spray painting graffiti along the viaducts on the interstate system when they were crunched.
"Now drive along Halsted from Roosevelt to 22nd Street. The remaining members of their tagging crew hit several buildings "AFROE" we will miss you.
"Pretty fucking sad when your the value of your life comes out of the end of a spray can and soon gets washed away by the graffiti blasters!"
--4/14/2009 06:04:00 PM
Getting killed while doing something stupid doesn't cancel out the fact that you were doing something stupid.
I'd still like to know if there were a lot of spray cans in that car.
Still waiting for the blood alcohol and tox screen on the CPS honor students who drowned stealing boats at midnight in another state, too...we did pay for their funerals, after all.
By the way, what's with the investigation into Assistant Superintendent Beatrice Cuello's condominium that was full of illegal firearms and bulk narcotics?
Hey, IOC -- are you impressed by the vast silence from City Hall when people ask questions like this?
Are you guys ever going to stop your cruel ignorant comments? Are you all so insecure that you need to pick on each other? Didnt mama give you enough love? thats why I rarely read this bs
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Apparently you did not read the original post. Oh and yes, what an idiot. Anonymous but tells everything about himself. Guess the arrogance overrode the degree. Typical Orland Park Copper
I like how Jody calls Cozzi's action an egregious violation of civil rights, right before he tramples all over ours. I have tried to hold out on hating this doof, but this is a new low. Jody, you have no right. I'm jumping on the bandwagon, NO CONFIDENCE!!!!!
Anonymous said...
How about reporting all of the take home city police cars issued out as clout favors or because the boss likes you which serves absolutely no police service but costs city tax payers millions of dollars a year. The cars where there is absolutely no chance you will called out for a police shooting or similar event but are still issued out only as a favor
4/14/2009 08:56:00 AM
This should be a thread SCC, put in where cars are and plate number,the clout babies would be taken by surprise war is on!
While they are at it,ban all the parties.Promotion,retirement,and Christmas.The clouted wont like dat.
Where are the Insane Coho Fish when you need them?
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WE(Insane Coho Fish) are a dying Breed. They don't make REAL POLICE like that anymore. That was when the JOB was fun. Instead J-FED made up his PET project MSF,who are nothing but 2 year wonders who will never be the REAL police. And you heard it here first, once J-FED is bounced out of here and we get a new boss MSF will be gone also. So you 2 year wonders better not get use to ur bullsh#t spot.
INSANE COHO FISH!
Are they gonna pull this stunt outside of Dugan's on Milwaukee in the 016th District?Thats where the Northside Exempts like to get drunk.They do their drinking on the 2nd floor...
MSF aka J-Feds pet unit will expand.
Cant wait to see the list of all the s@ck @sses on the transfer list.
Anonymous said...
Bring it on, when I walk out that back door and pray that some one on duty denies me the professional courtesy after I identify myself as a P.O. It will make headlines. Enough is enough.
4/14/2009 02:04:00 PM
Yea tough guy it will make headlines you without a job!
There is a simple answer for this. Go to bars in the suburbs.
yeah...because we all know the suburban coppers will cut us a break! Thats a lost job waiting to happen! Dumbest idea I have heard yet!
One more time for the no-hair police... DONT DRINK AND DRIVE!!!
4/14/2009 06:14:00 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA "no-hair police"... I LOVE IT!!! nice one! how about the "Depends police" or the "metamucil police" or the "medicare police" hahahaha
Anonymous said...
Garfield Ridge birdie says a certain Alderman goes to Gerties every Friday and some Saturdays then drives home plastered.
Why don't all of you get together and start doing some little missions of your own? Go to the drinking establishments of the media and call them in to state police. Then if that does not work call MADD.
I am surprised that as resourceful as all of you are you have not done this.
People talk about it all of the time but I think the talk needs to stop. Just do it.
Don't let them make all of you out to be the rogue officers they think you are. Show the public what hypocrites the media really is.
4/14/2009 06:43:00 PM
And he drinks for free!
"....I've pretty much seen and done it all...."
Not until you have seen and done me.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Glad to see that you are back with us, Missy.
Call me----it sounds like you are ready for a session.
Simple solution to their BS.
As soon as this Mobile DUI Strike Force is in place and roving around in their "WOLFPACKS", have other non members log CRs on each and every member every day that they are working. BS or not, the # will be taken and investigated. Soon, each member of the "WOLFPACK" will have so many #'s that will all be placed on special concern.
F*** them by playing by their rules!
While I agree 100% Coppers should not be driving drunk---How can there be a G.O. regarding police officers being drunk, off duty, but not driving? This violates our constitutional rights! Can any attorneys out there respond to this?
4/14/2009 10:37:00 AM
The RULE, (not G.O.) was enacted during prohibition, and has not been taken off the books since. Its stayed around like the RULE about bringing discredit to the Department. Another one of those things, when you fuck up, it will be jammed up your ass just that much further.
"He needs to crack the whip on CFD. Why is it that PO gets stripped possibly loses job but CFD gets a couple chances. They get DUI have to do classes and so on and they are ok as long as they don't get another in the same year. I know plenty of firemen with multiple DUI's. They piss hot and they get the same deal just not to get caught again that year. Where our me to clause?"
True.
But there is a big difference: CFD doesn't carry guns.
You do not need PC to run plates, bud.
Uh........yes you do.
Beware I saw people hanging outside of Bluelight! Right Next to the 019 district!
WE(Insane Coho Fish) are a dying Breed. They don't make REAL POLICE like that anymore. That was when the JOB was fun. Instead J-FED made up his PET project MSF,who are nothing but 2 year wonders who will never be the REAL police. And you heard it here first, once J-FED is bounced out of here and we get a new boss MSF will be gone also. So you 2 year wonders better not get use to ur bullsh#t spot.
INSANE COHO FISH!
4/14/2009 10:48:00 PM
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You sound like a goof- the original had no coho
Orland park police ? What a bunch of goodie two shoes...Oh please, Sarge, can i take a 10-7 ? (lunch).
This should be a thread SCC, put in where cars are and plate number,the clout babies would be taken by surprise war is on!
4/14/2009 10:45:00 PM
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Ah, yes. Divide and conquer. And you idiots are letting him win.
As an alternative, get your ass to the FOP meeting next week. You KNOW the media will be there, hoping for a turnout. Well, GIVE them one.
Time to show we're united. GO TO THAT MEETING AND TELL THE UNION WHAT YOU WANT AND HOW YOU WANT IT DONE.
has anyone realized just how dangerous J-Fed is? A man not from here, with unrealistic ideals, supportive to shorthshanks, behaviors contrary to the majority of the population, no municipal police experience....are we surprised?
Missy -001 district
(perking tocket GuRU)
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Excellent.
what does Lt. Richie Scotchbreath have to say about this? inquiring minds want to know! see you at TR's!
I dare anyone to go near Soldier Field before, during or after a Bears game. People are drunk at entry and fucked up afterwards. Half time? give me BREAK. Crack smoking, heroin shooting, sniffing, glue smoking weed, etc just outside the field takes place every game. P.O.'s are directed ignore those folks outside the stadium. Huge numbers of drunks leave that place without arrests or news reports. Many,many accidents after the games should be dui's but aren't. Why?
I think I missed something here... OPPD guy, approx 12 sentences about you and did I miss a point you were trying to make? Seriously, what exactly were you trying to say? I'm not bashing you just missing something. Oh and 3 yrs and I don't care what districts you've visited you ain't seen nothing yet...
SpankDaddy said...
Glad to see that you are back with us, Missy.
Call me----it sounds like you are ready for a session.
4/14/2009 11:10:00 PM
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Hi people, Missy here again. Mr. SpankDaddy, you are aware my lawyer husband Ira have split.
I lost a lot a weight and I am down to 155 lbs. Not bad being 5'-3", You can come over my house in Bucktown.
I like my wine and I hope my 3 cats do not offend you. I am an avid stamp collector, it would be nice if you have a hobby too.
Do you dance ? I like the twist !
If you love our mayor and willing to par-take in a ticket blitz, I will date you.
Missy-001 district
(parking ticket guru)
If this is true, then bring on the heat. Jody has to learn to pick his battles, and investigating ODPOs who are far from dirty is a big mistake.
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