No More Law?
And what's this we're reading about residential protests?
Nearly two dozen people held a silent protest Monday night outside the Bridgeport home of police detective ...
[....] Protesters said they plan to return to the Frugoli home.
We were unaware that the 009 District had unilaterally suspended the rule of law regarding protests at homes. Once again, as stated before, police officers are not above the law. But we aren't below the law either and the 009 District and 35th Street better step the fuck up before this Department is irretrievably lost.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 7:54 AM
66 Comments:
I NOTICE THE NICE TAHOE IN THE VIDEO! THE SGT SITTING NICELY WATCHING EVERY ONE.
I REMEMBER IN DAYS PAST THEY TRIED THAT AT DA MAYORS HOUSE AND A SMALL ARMY OF 9TH DIST BOYS IN BLUE
CAME DOWN HARD!
I WONDER WHAT THE ORDER WAS FROM J-FED BECAUSE THE COMMANDER SURE AS FUCK DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO DO.
WHO WAS THE WATCH COMMANDER?
Word is that the two victims were well known taggers. Evol and Afro. Keep an eye out for retaliation on your squads or district stations.
who cares where they protest? if it is peaceful and not disruptive, they can protest outside my house if they want.
If they were in front of my house I would turn on the sprinkler.
You can thank the media for showing his home on the air. Joe has trouble ahead but he should not have mob groups who already have displayed violence at 26th Street know where he and his child live, let alone allow the demonstartions to take place in front of his house.
It don't count, UNLESS it can be used against you!
We knew something was coming? Hope this all they do! The dead kid has lots of fellow gang members who are pos lets hope this is it!
Does this mean that there's a green light to picket outside of the mayor's and alderman's homes?
Frugoli lives there with his brother and his brothers kids---What havoc this detective has made for his family!!
If it is true that the 9th dist. allowed a protest at the officers' home, i would get a CR on the W/C that allowed it. I'm sure he was aware of it.
And i'm NOT condoning the actions of the copper, I'm just sick of this department trampling on our rights!
They have no problem cramming down our throats that we're NOT "above the law". Well guess what assholes' J-PUD and Shortshanks, we're NOT BELOW THEM EITHER!
they marched on divines house in 024 and initially the fighting 24th was manning up to put a stop to the march on dick divines house when the bosses grew vaginas and did nothing to stop the protest.
The protest was for the dui case from damen ave where the two innocents were killed when they hit the po's car.
dont count on any help from the cpd, the bosses, or the media when this much shit hits the fan.
head for the hill
and dont drink at all any more let alone drink and drive.
its not he 70's or the 80's or even the 90's. I partied my ass off in all those decades and got on the job after 2000. it the party shit is not out of your system dont take this job.
this ignoring of the accused police officers rights should immediately be looked at by the U.S. Department of Justice. If the worst scumbags in the City are arrested, everybody is concerned so much for the rights of the poor dope-selling, gang-banging hoodlums. If we went in front of their home, we'd certainly be arrested, or sparred. We Still have rights, just like the murdering thugs that are now ruining our City, along with the Cukoo Dem. Politicians, and some scamming reverends.
So we can protest in front of the mayors house? Where was our friend Ald.Balcer??? Isnt he a fan of the police?
Maybe the state laws are different but people did this in upstate New York. Most of the guys from AIG that did not return there windfall cash, people went to their homes to protest and hopefully shame them in front of their neighbors. I am not saying that it's right, but this is exactly what we should do in front of Daley's house. Imagine, 40-50 PO's a day in front of his home. How long would he feel the pressure from his neighbors? Just a thought.
Im sure if somebody ran some names they wouldve came up mith numerous wanted offenders for crim dam to prop with all the taggers there. Since thats all that the dead guys were good for.
I bet it would be enforced if pickets were outside J-Fed's or Da Mayor's residences protesting no police contract. It's called, having cotton balls-bad press to mess with the citizens, costs votes which in turn costs J-Fed his job.
This is truly unbelievable.
This guy fucked up, no doubt. But he was OFF-DUTY.
" GET OFF MY LAWN" CLINT EASTWOOD IN THE MOVIE "GRAN TORINO"
"...35th Street better step the fuck up before this Department is irretrievably lost."
Sorry SCC, but it's been lost for some time now. I think we're all just waiting for somebody to turn out the lights.
Da Mayo better watch out if the protest continues at a residence. There could be 4,000 at his residence protesting that he is impersonating a Mayo.
The law is the law for all involved.
The law is the law for all involved.
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i wish that was true. but look around, not just this incident...
This is absolutely ludicrous. Joseph made a bad mistake. What I have read and seen in the media the past few days is nothing short of a mob mentality. I wonder what the blood alcohol levels will be on the victims. I wonder if there will be an investigation to find out if the victims were doing, 2 well known taggers, who were parked in a moving lane with lights out on the vehicle at 4 am on one of the busiest highways in the state? He fucked up, yes, but how many of you have driven drunk and just haven't been caught? I'm shocked at the gangs and the victims relatives protesting outside a private home with no help from anyone. Will something be done only when violence does occur? Its waiting to happen. Ask yourselves if someone will be there to help you if you get in trouble. No one is proud about what happened. But to let a bunch of bangers with a lynch mob mentality come after him is wrong.
He's a good man. He would help anyone. AT THE VERY LEAST, pray for him.
There is an old parable about a man who said nothing when the Nazis came for his neighbors, because it had nothing to do with him. He said nothing when he realized all the men, then the women in his town were taken away. Then at last he wondered where was everyone to stick up for him when there was no one left.
Just wondering, how long before the silent protesters turn violent????
Fop get off your ass and earn your money you are a poor excuse for a union
Just to let everyone know, the gangbanging tagging buddies of the two that were "so called killed changing a tire" tagged businesses down Archer Ave. in Garfield Ridge. Real pretty pictures of RIP & pitch forks. Ya, they were innocent. WTF
Anonymous said.....
Im sure if somebody ran some names they wouldve came up mith numerous wanted offenders for crim dam to prop with all the taggers there. Since thats all that the dead guys were good for.
How dare you speak about the two kids who were killed the way you did. This tragedy has destroyed numerous innocent people's lives, including the odpo. Typical police officer though, or should I say typical 20-30 year old police officer (the whole generation) - you gotta blame someone, it can't be US!!!!! Bottom line is.....the odpo made a horrible decision that night and two sons, brothers, boyfriends, uncles, etc are dead because of THAT decision. While I don't agree with the protesting - leave the blame where the blame belongs with the odpo who made a very tragic decision that night.
I heard we will no longer where blue shirts. I found out from the uniform stores that a truck load of pink shirts are here. Those that have over 5 years on are grandfather claused and have the option of wearing blue or pink. Everyone else has to wear a pink shirt and carry a glock. You are not aloud to wear a tie with the pink shirt and the turtle neck has to have your star number stitched on it.
I think the 009th district has the hardest working officers on the job!!! they did the best they could with what they had!!1
"who cares where they protest? if it is peaceful and not disruptive, they can protest outside my house if they want.
4/14/2009 09:36:00 AM"
And your address is?
No, your real address.
If anyone protested in front of my house I would pay some not so nice westside citizens to react to them
I say we protest in front of alderman Beale's house.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said.....
Im sure if somebody ran some names they wouldve came up mith numerous wanted offenders for crim dam to prop with all the taggers there. Since thats all that the dead guys were good for.
How dare you speak about the two kids who were killed the way you did. This tragedy has destroyed numerous innocent people's lives, including the odpo. Typical police officer though, or should I say typical 20-30 year old police officer (the whole generation) - you gotta blame someone, it can't be US!!!!! Bottom line is.....the odpo made a horrible decision that night and two sons, brothers, boyfriends, uncles, etc are dead because of THAT decision. While I don't agree with the protesting - leave the blame where the blame belongs with the odpo who made a very tragic decision that night.
4/14/2009 07:20:00 PM
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Yeah, and keep in mind that two criminal taggers, oh my bad - "graphic artists" chose to stop their vehicle in a lane of traffic on an expressway so that they could tag the concrete barrier or the overhead signage.
Seems to me that a few weeks ago someone tagged the overhead signage overnight in the northbound lanes of the Dan Ryan right about 18th St!
The fact of the matter is that all parties involved in this cluster fuck were wrong!
You can thank the media for showing his home on the air. Joe has trouble ahead but he should not have mob groups who already have displayed violence at 26th Street know where he and his child live, let alone allow the demonstartions to take place in front of his house.
20 BUCKS to zabasearch and your name comes off. I paid and you get a e-mail when someone trys to run your name
My sympathy ended with the word "tagger". If they were tagging when they got hit, then they are more to blame than the drunk. That could have been a family. Stopping in traffic to tag? On the expressway? It's not art and taggers are criminals.
What difference does it make if they were "well known taggers" does that mean they deserved to die a fiery death because some idiot was too drunk to drive?????
Anonymous said...
So we can protest in front of the mayors house? Where was our friend Ald.Balcer??? Isnt he a fan of the police?
4/14/2009 12:43:00 PM
Give me a break the fake marine!
Now these punks are tagging all up and down Archer Ave, what did those people do to you or your friends? Maybe I'll go into Scummit and tip a few 40oz's on the street corners. EIther way they are both ignorant and not helpful in anyway.
Any Police official who refuses to enforce the "no protesting a residential home" is guilty of official misconduct and can be criminal and civilly liable to the drunken Irish Bridgeport foolguli.
Please read the statute below, and enforce it when necessary.
(720 ILCS 5/21.1‑2) (from Ch. 38, par. 21.1‑2)
Sec. 21.1‑2. It is unlawful to picket before or about the residence or dwelling of any person, except when the residence or dwelling is used as a place of business. However, this Article does not apply to a person peacefully picketing his own residence or dwelling and does not prohibit the peaceful picketing of the place of holding a meeting or assembly on premises commonly used to discuss subjects of general public interest.
(Source: P.A. 81‑1270.)
I wonder why the car blew up into a fiery blaze? Could there have been flamable products in the car or in the trunk, like spray paint?
I do not condone the odpo drinking and driving. He will get a stiff penalty. But if the victims were partly responsible for their fate, then that fact should also be made public.
So, if somebody draws on a wall, they deserve to die? Give me a break! If the tagger ( DePaul/DeLasalle student) was a Mt. Greenwood resident and the driver a Mexican, illegal or otherwise, imagine the bs comments. The dic was WRONG. The people in the stopped vehicle on or off the road were innocent victims. Who cares why they were there? They did not deserve to die. This was an all around tragedy from the innocent victims to the diu dic and his friends and family. All of you apologists should just stop. There is no defense for this; it didn't need to happen.
How dare you speak about the two kids who were killed the way you did. This tragedy has destroyed numerous innocent people's lives,
Yeah I have no sympathy for the two piece of shit taggers that were killed. Real productive members of society. 26 year old kids as you call them still fucking spray painting on walls. Fuck them
J-fed and mayor Daley are worse than Somali pirates the way they are hi-jacking our civil liberties.
Last time I checked a persons bond is set on two different criteria. #01 the charges and #02 ones criminal backgound. AM I MISSING SOMETHING. Fucking cry baby fucks. It's an auto accident with NO intent that unfortunately resulted in 2 people dieing. The officer had NO criminal background. $500,000 bond you're saying is too low. You're fucking NUTS... Sit in a court room on any given day and listen to what happens to true, real , career criminals cases and bonds.
Remember when Becker shot the homeless guy about 10-12 years ago?
The media put his home on the news too .... they even showed the actual numbers on his house ....
i hate ti point out the obvious, but boys and girls, we are now under a microscope and if u step out of line, spars for anything, a sgt at iad stated that this guy is no friend of the police and it was his goal to fire as many officers as possible.
"So, if somebody draws on a wall, they deserve to die? Give me a break! If the tagger ( DePaul/DeLasalle student) was a Mt. Greenwood resident and the driver a Mexican, illegal or otherwise, imagine the bs comments. The dic was WRONG. The people in the stopped vehicle on or off the road were innocent victims. Who cares why they were there? They did not deserve to die. This was an all around tragedy from the innocent victims to the diu dic and his friends and family. All of you apologists should just stop. There is no defense for this; it didn't need to happen.
4/15/2009 01:00:00 AM"
Let's break it down:
1. "So, if somebody draws on a wall, they deserve to die?"
If somebody stops their vehicle in an active lane of an expressway, said lane where that someone should reasonably expect that other vehicles, even at 3am in the morning, might very well be using, traveling at or above the posted speed limit, would you say that that someone has, by their act of stopping their vehicle in that active lane, created a hazard?
And, having effectively parked in an active lane of traffic, on an expressway where the posted speed limit is, at the least, 45 miles per hour, can that someone be considered to be acting reasonably in assuming that every subsequent vehicle traveling on that lane will, without fail, observe their parked vehicle and avoid striking same?
2. "The people in the stopped vehicle on or off the road were innocent victims. Who cares why they were there?"
Well, depending upon your chosen definition of innocent, before you can state, as fact, that 'The people in the stopped vehicle.....were innocent victims.', wouldn't you have to first determine '...why they were there'?
As in, why was their vehicle stopped in an active traffic lane, on an expressway where the expected speed of any following vehicles was at least 45 mph, and likely, for practical purposes, 55-65 mph?
And whether or not their vehicle was sufficiently visible to those vehicles using that active lane of traffic and, presumably, traveling at or above the speed limit?
3. "....it didn't need to happen.
4/15/2009 01:00:00 AM"
But was it an avoidable accident?
As in, even if the striking driver had not been legally drunk, would the accident still have been unavoidable, given the factual circumstances?
With the emphasis being on factual.
And not focusing solely on the legal presumption of fault that the BAC provides the legal system with just cause to prosecute and the public with the assumed moral cause to condemn.
"However, this Article does not apply to a person peacefully picketing his own residence or dwelling and does not prohibit the peaceful picketing of the place of holding a meeting or assembly on premises commonly used to discuss subjects of general public interest.
(Source: P.A. 81‑1270.)
4/14/2009 11:20:00 PM"
So, can we reasonably believe that those individuals holding public office do not '...discuss subjects of general public interest.' within their own residences?
Joseph made a bad mistake.
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Bull sh!t.
He committed multiple felonies. Way beyond a simple mistake.
First, I'm NOT condoning what the copper did. He fucked up driving in that condition and will have to pay for it. But I'm SICK AND TIRED of the media, this shit department and this moronic, liberal, thankless public we protect always bashing us for the very same shit that happens in society every day!
While a loss of life is (USUALLY) always tragic, If these "victims" were actually out drinking and tagging (like the evidence now seems to be leaning towards) they ARE NOT VICTIMS!
They're no different than the burglar that gets stuck and suffocates in a chimney, the home invader that gets blown away by the homeowner, the arsonist that fries in his own fire or even the junkie that dies shooting bad junk! One thing in common, THEY'RE ALL CRIMINALS THAT DIED DUE TO BAD DECISIONS THEY MADE!
Too bad the "victims" were burned beyond recognition because I'm sure the defense would love to get the B.A.C. on them too! Who knows, hopefully there was enough blood left for toxicology on them too.
Even if the copper didn't hit these idiots that were stopped in a lane of traffic, not a shoulder wide enough to safely pull over on, they most likely would have been plowed into by someone else. I don't give a fuck if I have to drive a MILE with a flat on that deathtrap Dan Ryan, I would to get to a safe area! How many times have we heard of Troopers around the country getting creamed? And that's with emergency equipment activated! Just imagine if it was some family traveling? The tables would be totally turned and these "victims" would be the OFFENDERS! But because a "COP" was involved, we're ALL going to pay for it due to the media!
So just remember my brothers, we're hated by most and have the most shit thankless job out there!
We have to constantly remember that from now on. Cameras are everywhere now! Don't think that after the hating public got wind of all this from them pukes in the media, they'll be shooting video of us every chance they get! Time to build that home bar I always wanted!
BE SAFE AND CYA!!!
the drunken Irish Bridgeport foolguli
He's Italain, not Irish, you idiot; hate to break your heart but the Irish aren't the only ones who drink......
Frugoli should file a huge lawsuit against the news station that aired his address and home for endangering the health and well being of himself and his family.
The Officer in question committed a criminal offense, DUI, and traffic violations. The victims were committing a criminal offense CDTP and traffic violations. Nobody deserved to die and the officer was drunk so he was "more wrong". But everyone was wrong. So if we are going to bring up the past let's do it with everyone involved. Let's get it all out in the open. I mean we are investigators ain't we. The thing everyone like to say these days. "it is what it is". Well is it?
This detective brought upon this on himself. Not only that, he was way out of line in doing so. So sorry, I don't feel any sympathy towards him. Not one bit. The real victims are those two young men who had their entire lives ahead of them. And then quickly a car crashed into them operated by a drunken driver. And those two young men died a horrific death; by being burned alive. Imagine if that was your son?
Does that mean whenever someone commits a crime we can protest in front of their house?
How dare you criticize the watch commander for this incident. He was just promoted out of the training academy. He is one of the 20 best and brightest that we have on this department. He knows what he is doing. The proof is shown by the superintendent promoting him. Him and the other 19 are smarter than all of the other lieutenants on the job. You should be thanking him for the wonderful job and his expert handling of it.
How dare you criticize the watch commander for this incident. He was just promoted out of the training academy. He is one of the 20 best and brightest that we have on this department. He knows what he is doing. The proof is shown by the superintendent promoting him. Him and the other 19 are smarter than all of the other lieutenants on the job. You should be thanking him for the wonderful job and his expert handling of it.
4/15/2009 05:34:00 PM
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Hey know-it-all: Protesters were out there at 9:00pm with the news crews. The new W/C you speak of is on the first watch, and wasn't even at work yet. Why don't you ask EG, who also lives in 11th Ward, why he let this go on?
This detective brought upon this on himself. Not only that, he was way out of line in doing so. So sorry, I don't feel any sympathy towards him. Not one bit. The real victims are those two young men who had their entire lives ahead of them. And then quickly a car crashed into them operated by a drunken driver. And those two young men died a horrific death; by being burned alive. Imagine if that was your son?
4/15/2009 04:43:00 PM
He is innocent until PROVEN GUILTY not the other way around. Tragic? YES! Protesting at someones house? WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
The real victims are those two young men who had their entire lives ahead of them.
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I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for gang banging taggers, but it does not change anything. A drunk driver killed them, and he will pay for that crime.
Anonymous said...
How dare you criticize the watch commander for this incident. He was just promoted out of the training academy. He is one of the 20 best and brightest that we have on this department. He knows what he is doing. The proof is shown by the superintendent promoting him. Him and the other 19 are smarter than all of the other lieutenants on the job. You should be thanking him for the wonderful job and his expert handling of it.
4/15/2009 05:34:00 PM
Your right HEY BOSS WE NEED ELLYN SCHMITZ BACK IN 009 PLEASE SHE KNOWS WHAT TO DO!!
While we have suffered yet another black eye at the hands of Frugoli and his disease,the man DOES have protections under the law until he is proven guilty.While he has been tried and convicted in the media already,if he were SMART he would ask for a trial well out of Cook County,hire a competent lawyer and defend his reckless actions. It seems we are all to quick to pass judgement on those that transgress us we as well need to bear in mind that while the two "victims" were criminals as well they remain 2 thing....Criminals and dead at the hands of a Drunk Off Duty Police Officer. I wont for a minute say stop drinking as we all know this job SUCKS and a "pop" sometimes makes the bullshit go away for a while. But as with everything,THERE COMES RESPONSIBILITY. Frugoli was irresponsible on SEVERAL occasions. Instead of cloaking this man with the "blanket of protection" from 'old school' we need as a collective,to address the disease that caused Frugoli to do this. He is a sick man,an alcoholic,and now an alleged murderer. Since we are all in the public eye more so now than ever it is imperative that we protect and seek help for those of us that suffer this disease. It will not be easy wresting the keys from a Drunk Sgt or PO but if you TRULY care about your fellow,YOU WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES. Remember that could have been ANY ONE of us in that crash. I would as Im sure most of you would, like to be free to enjoy the pension and retirement we earned OUTSIDE of a prison cell.
Food for thought
Stay safe.
If they were in front of my house I would turn on the sprinkler.
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I was thinking the same thing!
Why don't you ask EG, who also lives in 11th Ward, why he let this go on?
4/15/2009 10:57:00 PM
Do you really think EG was still there at 9PM? Come on
If those two taggers were killed by anyone else but a copper what would the media do?
If they were killed by an illegal immigrant what would they say? If they were killed ny a media min-cam truck what would they say?
Has any of them tried to get the Dan Ryan Traffic Cam of the actual accident and see what they were doing? Maybe do a 360 panarama and check out the tagging that they did in the area. It is only because it was a copper that this is a heater case.
If it was anyone else they would make it sound like a case of Swoop and Squat.
He's a useless POS.
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