It's Official - Arbitration
The City of Chicago has initiated arbitration proceedings with police officers over the stalled contract negotiations, according to the Fraternal Order of Police, the union representing the officers.
FOP president Mark Donahue said the union was notified late Wednesday afternoon. A spokeswoman for Mayor Daley did not immediately return phone calls.
The city's officers have been working two years without a contract. Wages are the chief divisive issue between the city and union, according to a statement posted on the union website.
Arbitrators are usually bound by precedent and comparable contracts. Precedent has dictated an average of 3.5% a year during the past two contracts. Precedent has also dictated retro is awarded. The last three or four contracts have always been of a four-year duration. We would urge the FOP to cite the NYPD contract as a comparable contract - 4% a year for 4 years and settled on time.
We're probably another 9 to 12 months from a contract, and if it's a four-year deal, it'll be three-years gone by the time it takes effect. Since the City fails over and over again to negotiate in good faith, maybe we can file for arbitration on Day One next time.
We're probably another 9 to 12 months from a contract, and if it's a four-year deal, it'll be three-years gone by the time it takes effect. Since the City fails over and over again to negotiate in good faith, maybe we can file for arbitration on Day One next time.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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get ready to get screwed.
Has any one else seen the Lieutenants and Sergeants Web Pages. They state that the retiring at 55 with health insurance is contingent on the entire contract being ratified, the FOP claims it stands alone, and the rest of the contract goed to arbitration. Can anyone explain the differnece? HAVE THE SUPERVISORS AGREED TO A ME TO CLAUSE WITH REGARDS TO ANY ARBITRATION AWARD CONCERNING RAISES?
Does this mean that we can file a suit to have the city show its books? I mean the real ones, not the ones cooked up to hide millions of dollars. I'm sure other unions would love to see them, too. And, with arbitration it doesn't look like that will get settled for at least another 8 months or more. So a 4 -year contract will be in print for the last year of the contract, or, just in time to start negotiating the next one. And, the majority of us still have the 6-day work week.....
After watching the Mayors song and dance over the last few months concerning union givebacks and forced furlo days I'm curious as to how this arbitration proceeding will eventually play out. If the arbitrator awards raises and retro then little Dick will blow a gasket, and that would be the icing on the cake.
The city will be forking over a raise with retro... It's not daley's money to say he's saving it for a rainy day.
FOP= Friends Of Politicians.
I certainly hope the appointed arbitrator takes into consideration negotiation talks were still scheduled when this letter was sent out
How would that demonstrate "a good faith effort" Or that each party had reached an impasse????
If one party cancels negotations that is not an impasse that is a FAILURE of cooperation!!!
Illinois State Police - 4% for 4 years = 16%
Retro is not up the Arbitrator it is in that last contract Page 155 of the FOP contract. Unless the City and FOP agree to it, we get no retro. I would agree to no retro if the city gave me a 50% discount on property tax, and no water bill for the time I am on the job.
As Watergate's Deep Throat said, "Follow the money."
We need to audit the city’s books, find out where all that TIF money is stashed. What happened to the Skyway sale money, the parking meter money and all the rest? Whey is the city with the highest taxes crying poor.
The money is there if it can be found. We need some whistle blowers, some people willing to testify in federal court. We need the I>R>S> to stick it up Daley's ass.
Find the money, and then lay it in front of the Arbitrator. It couldn't be ignored.
Stay Safe, if he or she hasn't been paid off, we might have a chance.
Arbiters are not bound by any previous decision. Arbiters merely use previous decisions as a guide to aid them in their current decision. It's nice you want to make people feel comfy with your statement, but ultimately, it's incorrect.
As far as NYPD or anyone else's contract decision, by all means keep hammering that point home that several municipalities have settled decent contracts with their employees even during this economy, which everyone pretty much agrees is well into recovery.
Start with this extremely professional looking webpage that says it all, well above what the city pays, and Daley even has billions stashed away that NYC doesn't!!
http://www.nypdrecruit.com/
p.s. The hidden stashes of money were exactly the same undoing of Daley's bullshit the last time we went to arbitration. Specifically outlined in the decision is all the money Daley tries to hide from public view so he can attempt to cause dissent between the public and the police. All I can say is this FLOP better ensure that all the hidden moneys are brought to the attention of the arbiter, any failing to indicate the millions of dollars on failed contracts, skyway deals, airport deals and TIFF funds will be a direct decision by the FLOP to fuck us all.
And if I recall correctly, the aribter wasn't picked BEFORE negotiations. So now, Daley can and likely WILL stall the election of the arbiter at least up until the Olympics are rightfully given to some other WORTHY city. Then he'll just offer the financial package awarded with the last arbiter. I predict the only sticking points after that will be his desire to up his clout baby "merit" picks beyond his alleged 20%, even tho we all know with deliberate scoring discrepancies and several others getting the answers to study with it's more like 40% already, and his standard attempts in every contract to up punishment money back to the city and the ability to fire us at the papal wave of king shithead himself.
And keep in mind, Daley does NOT have to abide by the aribter's decision. He can go before the City Council and force them to ignore the decision.
Don't keep thinking criminal shithead Daley is legally bound to follow an arbiter's decision because he's NOT.
Get a load of his one. The other day I parked my car at one of the pay box spaces. Put my credit card in and hit the "maximum time" button. I get charged $8.00, (another rant on its own). But now no receipt comes out of the machine. I call the number and tell the woman that I just paid my money and did not get a receipt to put in my window. She tells me that they have a no refund policy and then asked if there was another pay box in the area and try that one. I said you mean to tell me that I'm supposed to pay another $8 fucking dollars because your machines aren't operating properly? Se basically tells me yes and that I could dispute the charge with my credit card company. I asked her why my credit card company would credit my account because your machine didn't give me a receipt? She repeated that they have a no refund policy. Then she gave me a reference number use if I get a ticket. But then when she started to give me the number a bunch of static started to come over the phone. How convenient. I had to have her repeat the number three times. She wasn't getting off that easy. And the kicker is that there was a DOR van by the pay box when i first pulled up. And they wonder why their equipment is getting vandalized. Have at them, folks!
Arbitration is a win win for Daley. If the arbitrator rules for the city and awards police a minimum or no increase, Daley wins. If the arbitrator awards raises and retro, the City will cite this as a reason to increase taxes and will blame the greedy police in an ecomonic downturn, thus creating more citizen resentment for the police.
Mayor Mumbles new it was going to arbitration all along.
"Can anyone explain the differnece?"
Four different union negogiate four different contracts.
OT...schedule. some people are expressing that they do not want the 4 on 2 off schedule because they won't have a 3 day weekend. that is what time due is for not to mention you won't need it and you will actually get more weekends off! another states that he won't be able to figure out his days off because the rotation goes backwards....are you kidding me! It is the best schedule they are looking at people snap out of it!
It's a win-win for Dick. If he gets an arbitrator to award what he wants, win. If the arbitrator gives more, he just tells the public, it wasn't me...
Bring it on, be-yotch!
RESIDENCY!!!!!!RESIDENCY!!!!!!RESIDENCY!!!!!!RESIDENCY!!!!!!RESIDENCY!!!!!!
As of now the city only has money till 2013 for retiries ins. What happens to the 55 yr olds ins who retire in 2013?
Ironic to me that this is taking place. Organized labor is what help to start the Daley dynasty. The city that works.
Sad.
---not a cop
Monday my first partner I had on this job (who is his unit’s rep) and I had lunch with one of the Board members at Billy Goats on Ashland. I was able to verify a lot of information over lunch.
1. The first thing that happened when the contract expired was that the city and fop signed a letter of memorandum that the whole contract was to stay in full force and all agreements were to be retro active. There will be retro checks and the city has already held that money in reserve on paper at least in the budget (CFAR). Comprehensive Financial Annual Report.
2. The health care issue was agreed upon months ago in principle but it took the city months just to sign the agreement. Daley was responsible for the delay. Fop asked for this five years ago but it took the budget shortfall to give in on this. The city could have saved millions each of the last five years.
3. The city’s first financial offer will be the base line for the arbitrator not their second lower offer. Arbitrators call the city’s tactics regressive negotiation and will not look at the second offer. 30 other city unions got raises two years ago, look for that to be our baseline start. And the police have always historically been given raises slightly higher than the other trade unions.
4. At a unit rep meeting (two months ago)with the full board the union’s chief labor lawyer stated that even if the arbitrator believed that the city was broke, which he won’t (TIF. Skyway, Meters, Midway) he will still grant raises. The city can raise taxes and raise fees to support the raise the same way the cost of a house goes up when the trade unions get annual raises. His research found that in the last 400hundred arbitrations in which cities stated that they could not afford raises the city only prevailed twice. And those cities went into receivership.
5. That if the city asks for arbitration (as of Monday they had not) negotiations will continue and many issues will be agreed upon but money and several issues that the city wants to change in regards to disciplinary procedures will go arbitration. They believe that we will prevail in all of those issues with the exception of urine testing after accidents as is the norm on most other professions.
Hang in there and stay safe. Remember Shortshanks and J-Pud will shit on you (always remember Bill Cozzie) in a heartbeat. All of the issues going to arbitration other than money are how to get rid of you faster. Take for granted that from the time you leave your house till come home you are on camera and are being taped recorded. Don’t give this little prick the opportunity to screw you. They killed this profession in the last two years. They are responsible for the mass drive by shootings by emasculating the police.
After November 15th Daley can truly kiss my ass.
Why can't the FOP just agree to a 55 and 25 retirement deal with no strings attached? If you are 55 years old and have 25 years on the job you can retire with medical benefits! Why all the "fine print? Just another scam the FOP, the Pension board and Daley were discussing one night while they were all in bed together! The con game just never ends! Dineen, Nolan, Donahue, Daley! "I want to report a theft in progress!"
7/30, 12:19 am....looks like the age 55 thing for supervisors is contingent on their approval of the city's entire contract offer to their groups (which has yet to be formally released), while the age 55 for FOP is indeed a stand alone item (while the wage issue and retro goes to arbitration); whether there is a me too for supervisors depends on what's in the city's contract offer. Taking a wild guess, I'd say that the contract offer for supervisors has no retro, but forward raises, like the detention aides and dispatchers...I guess we'll see over the next few days
If we get no raise...the 55 and out only benefits the city. They make out on both ends. If we get a good raise, your health benefit is covered there, but you don't gain any ground. I'd prefer the raise and no 55 and out, seeing that universal health care is around the corner. At least the city wont make out like bandits.
If we get neither or just 55 and out, time to stop generating revenue. No movers, no parkers!
Let's be clear. The City demanded arbitration. The FOP sat on its hands, after running on a platform of going to arbitration fast and early, never again allowing the city to stall negotiations like it's done historically.
Just once, I'd like to see the FOP demand arbitration the day after the contract expires. Daley might go into coronary arrest right then and there.
401k pension for new hires
less than 10 years on be ready for big increase in pension contributions if you want a pension in 25 years
good luck no retro , increase in
health insurance , less holidays
As I have said time and time again. Lets get rid of FLOP and bring in the teamsters. Seriously, 2 years and we go to arbitration. Lets move on with this bullshit. Same story every contract. Time to give someone else a shot. We cant do worse!!
Everyone should stop the activity. No tickets and I mean nothing but answer your calls. Fuck this jagoff Daley. And by the way Im a supervisor!
daley ahs billions yes billions hidden in secret funds! skyway,the millions for midway down payment, the meters and how much more? he wants to dole it all out to him family and friends and fuck the tax payers and workers as always! Yet fitz leaves daley alone why? obama?
To: 12:19
The retiring at 55 with health insurance is not in the contract it is a memorandum agreement which means it is an agreement for FOP members.
This is a ploy by Daley. When the Arbitrator rules against the City, and he will, the Stuttering Prick will blame the Police and the Arbitrator for the cities "poor" financial situation. When all the other unions and the laid off city workers start screaming, he'll again blame the Police.
I wonder if he'll ever have to explain where all the money went that he "saved" by firing everyone?
Does this mean that we can file a suit to have the city show its books? I mean the real ones, not the ones cooked up to hide millions of dollars. I'm sure other unions would love to see them, too.
Hell if you get them send it over to us - we have been trying for years via FOIA and lawsuits and still can't get a real set of books.
Anyone who thinks gossip-monger Sneed is the same as one of the over-worked and underpaid (sound familiar?) beat reporters needs to get their head examined.....
-The Media
If there were no retro the city would never negotiate a contract. And now that its in an arbitrators hands Daily can put it on someone else when we get a decent contract. saying he did all he could do. We of course will be the assholes because everyone else took a hit.
The city budget is for 13,500 police officers. We are down to probably around 10,000. Where is that extra money?
any word on if the fop will grow some balls and sue over the residency restrictions?
Combined Counties Police Assoc. CCPA represents Wheeling PD. We just settled a 2yr contract with 4% per year, retro and minor jump in insurance ($10 bump each year, 90/10% split with a 20% max increase per year not to exceed 90/10). Two days later they settled same contract with our FD. CPD should settle for no less. Daley can cry poor all he wants, but his spending indicates otherwise. Make him open the books.
FOP - PBPA - And the Firefighters should all go into arb together - we are all linked together anyways - get us whatever raise we're gonna get so we can get on with life.
Gee still no contract at least 500 police officers short. At lease $22,000,000.00 saving for the year by the city. No one can say where the money went and now no raise for another year. And to top it off the city get to have at least another $22,000,000.00 in saving. WE are certainly not going to make up the shortage of officers by next year.
I would agree to no retro if they would lift the residency. I absolutely hate having to live in and give my money to this city. We're down to only about 3 neighborhoods that we can reasonablly afford to live in. It just sucks. I'm sorry for those of you have houses in those neighborhoods, but for the rest of us and for the generations to come, you know getting rid of residency would be the best thing. Put your selfishness aside.
shortshanks lets our contracts run out almost til the next one is set to start.
let's hope the arbitrator rules for the lost time we were without a contract and then extends the new agreed-upon contract 4 years from the date it is agreed upon.
shortshanks wants us always to be bent over on the barrel in front of him.
"the only problem with the police department is all the police officers. if we can't bleed them out with all sorts of restrictive policies and manpower shortages, we will force them into retirement."
--shortshanks
Come on D-3!!!
Hey batter, batter, Hey batter, batter....Sah-wing battah.
why didnt the fop do this arbitration a few years ago the city needs police this summer daley fucked the policeofficers and made them work the summer without the contract fuck fop
The FOP should have demanded arbitration when the economy was good (before Barack Hussein). Then, we could have gotten something. Now, we're out of luck.
This is not the first time the contract talks have dragged out this long. The contract that expired in 1999 was about this long when the lodge filed for arbitration. we got it settled and had retro checks in the late spring of 2002, three years after contract expiration.
Then, a year later, in 2003, that contract expired and we began all over again. that time the FOP did not wait as long since there were essentially no groundbreaking issues to be resolved and we were in arbitration within a year. That one was settled by Arbitrator Benn and we got just under 16% for 4 years plus retro,
This is about as long as the 1999-2003 contract went before going to arbitration so look for the lodge to pull the trigger sooner on arbitration next time. Several major issues to be included with this contract have already been worked out: the alternate work schedule and 55 and out.
Arbitration dates have been selected in October 2009 for the alternate work schedule only. That will be before Arbitrator Benn.
As contentious and lousy as this one feels, it is not that unusual. Under Daley that is. This is how he wants things done. Make no mistake, this is Richard M. Daley's way of dealing with the police contract. If we don't immediately accept what he throws down for us to swallow he will make us pay by waiting. You think Daley gives a shit if police are unhappy? He laughs at that, it doesn't matter to Daley.
So keep the faith and remember how this all went down come February 2011 when mumbles asks the voters to vote for him again. Do not forget and do not stay home come election day. That is our chance to tell the stuttering prick how we feel, at the ballot box.
Remember:
-regular promotional exams promised - all lies
-hiring and promotions by clout
-assignments by clout
-hiring scandals
-hired truck scandal
-scandal after scandal
-indictment after indictment
-parking meter fiasco
-skyway lease theft
-attempted Midway Airport lease
-pension fund crimes
-Vanecko and Davis
-lack of manpower
-lack of cars and equipment
-and on and on
February 2011, remember and vote accordingly and get all your friends and relatives to vote against the midget asshole
Anonymous said...
As Watergate's Deep Throat said, "Follow the money."
We need to audit the city’s books, find out where all that TIF money is stashed. What happened to the Skyway sale money, the parking meter money and all the rest? Whey is the city with the highest taxes crying poor.
The money is there if it can be found. We need some whistle blowers, some people willing to testify in federal court. We need the I>R>S> to stick it up Daley's ass.
Find the money, and then lay it in front of the Arbitrator. It couldn't be ignored.
Stay Safe, if he or she hasn't been paid off, we might have a chance.
7/30/2009 03:21:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I have been saying this for two years!
Check out this David Orr's website:
http://www.cookctyclerk.com/sub/TIF.asp
Go down the list on the right side to Chicago Summary.
It is 2007 - 2008 comparison but just look at all 7 pages.
The ENTIRE city is in a TIF!
Check out the South Loop, there is a 111 million dollar surplus!
Where is all the $$ that has been budgeted from just the past two years for officers not hired and for those that retired?
That money WAS budgeted, where is it?
This thieving prick Daley is squanding it somewhere.
Force the city to open its financial books. The $$ is being hidden somewhere.
Supervisors have me too. They will get a small raise then get what we get. Thanks to the FOP for leading the way again. Although supervisors will receive some enhansements that they rightfully deserve. Rank has its privleges. Study harder boys and girls
If you add everything up the City has made over 4 billion dollars and getting ready for the Olympics. What if we do not get the Olympics? They can not say we are short any more money. If they do that only means we never had enough for the Olympics to begin win. All that money can be used to improve public schools, roads, salting icy roads in the winter, hiring 1,900 more cops, reducing property taxes on depreciated homes, and maybe throw in another Walmart.
You know, the City will cry if we get a penny more and blame everything on the economy. They want a little fantasy land made of urban police soldiers with military/J.D. credentials. If this was even possible these soldiers would still be getting sued. What is the price for even risking your life once a year? The police do not put a price on it and neither does this City. The State Police get 16% we get 16% and that is all.
This is directly from the last contract, number three states the ability of the government to pay. Shortshanks is going to point to layoffs and furlough days. We're fucked.
Section 14(h) of the IPLRA lists the following factors for consideration in
interest arbitrations:
(h) Where there is no agreement between the parties, ... the arbitration
panel shall base its findings, opinions and order upon the following factors,
as applicable:
(1) The lawful authority of the employer.
(2) Stipulations of the parties.
(3) The interests and welfare of the public and the financial ability
of the unit of government to meet those costs.
(4) Comparison of the wages, hours and conditions of employment
of the employees involved in the arbitration proceeding with the
wages, hours and conditions of employment of other employees performing
similar services and with other employees generally:
(A) In public employment in comparable communities.
(B) In private employment in comparable communities.
(5) The average consumer prices for goods and services, commonly
known as the cost of living.
(6) The overall compensation presently received by the employees,
including direct wage compensation, vacations, holidays and other
excused time, insurance and pensions, medical and hospitalization
benefits, the continuity and stability of employment and all other
benefits received.
Daley budget chief: 2010 worse than this year
July 30, 2009 2:27 PM | 5 Comments
Even after the city exhausts a $320 million rainy day fund from leasing parking meters, it still must find $520 million in costs savings or new revenue to get through next year, officials said today.
Although new taxes are "a last resort, . . . nothing is ruled out at this point," Chief Financial Officer Gene Saffold said during a City Hall briefing this afternoon that Mayor Richard Daley did not attend.
"The mayor has instructed us not to look at property taxes as we move forward in 2010," Saffold added. "We're looking for innovative solutions which will help us address this issue."
Look out here boys and girls!!!
FOP = You, if you're a dues paying member. Go to a meeting. That's an order.
You must be aware that in subsequent years there needs to be so many people to sign up for the 55 and out, OR YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RETIRE AT 55. So this year the number is 160..no problem there..the next year the number is 140 officers need to sign up..if they all sign up this year..you might not get 140 to sign up..therefore you just got FUCKED!!!!!
Daley budget chief says 2010 looks worse than this year
Posted by Hal Dardick at 2:17 p.m.
Even after the city exhausts a $320 million rainy day fund created by leasing the city’s parking meters, it still must find $520 million in costs savings or new revenue to get through next year, officials said today.
Although new taxes are “a last resort, . . . nothing is ruled out at this point,” Chief Financial Officer Gene Saffold said during a City Hall briefing this afternoon that Mayor Richard Daley did not attend.
“The mayor has instructed us not to look at property taxes as we move forward in 2010,” Saffold added. “We’re looking for innovative solutions which will help us address this issue.”
The city plans to use $269 million of the rainy day fund to cover an anticipated 2009 budget deficit. The deficit already was reduced by $59 million, in part through layoffs, employee furloughs and union concessions that affect city services.
That would leave $51 million in the rainy day fund that will be used to reduce the anticipated 2010 shortfall, which is expected to be worse than the current year. As an example, Saffold said, labor costs are expected to increase $117 million.
He said the city was not overestimating the potential shortfall as it heads into arbitration with the police union. “These are real numbers—there are no ways around the challenges,” he said.
If the contract isn't settled by October no Olympics for Richie. Olympic bylaw states: "a host city may NOT have any open labor disputs at the time of selection". That makes it a wee bit interesting
Tax increases, spending cuts or layoffs possible to fill city's $520M budget gap
Budget issues ----------Rainy day fund dried up... Police & Fire have to be part of it...
Well then Mr Mayor start with the CPD/CFD top brass. Cut some spots. Those are clout spots, not necessities. Eliminate district manager clout spots as well. They're civilian doing a job that was always done by a PO. Find a light duty PO to handle that.
Then go to your alderman and cut some of them rather than give them another 6% pay increase.
& why didnt we go to the arbitrator 2 years ago. if 13,000 officers get on average 4000 dollars in retro over 2 years we are talking 52 million dollars that they are gaining interest on......WOW
It's about time
Years ago, the current Donahue regime was voted in by majority and their big PROMISE was NEVER to allow our contract negotiations to lapse beyond term, nor to EVER go into arbitration as our previous contract did. Had our current contract been ratified 26 months ago when the economy was still bullish, we ALL would have something big to show for it. Now, we will be guarenteed SHIT for a raise, retro, and benefits other than the small bone Daley has throne those approaching 55 yrs. Thank you FOP for your empty promise. YOU ARE A PACK OF LIARS AND SUCK THE BIG ONE. IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE IN FOP LEADERSHIP.
" that is what time due is for "
I've been on the job for 25 years and I love my three day weekends-on either the 6-2 or the ten hour schedule. Fuck you and taking time due you two year wonder. Time due is for emergencies that don't involve hair gel or rush street- it's for taking care of your family or going to school it's a much better use. Or even just building it up to help out when you retire.
Screw you asshole!
i think we get what state police got including retro,4% per year for 4 yrs?
As I have said time and time again. Lets get rid of FLOP and bring in the teamsters. Seriously, 2 years and we go to arbitration. Lets move on with this bullshit. Same story every contract. Time to give someone else a shot. We cant do worse!!
7/30/2009 09:44:00 AM
Are you serious? Really? The Teamsters? The same Joey Bagadonuts sell outs who gave into Daleys demands faster than a $10 crack whore? The same guys who are ONLY elected by their Union board? The same slimeball goons who'd steal your pension faster than Daley?
Yeah, we could do worse and it's called the Teamsters.
Get your head out of your ass.
If the city (You know who) is going to cry poor, how is it that it can afford the Olympics? The contract has to be settled by the Olympic deadline, right? So this makes sense. He wants the contract settled as soon as possible and is forcing arbitration. I bet this arbitrator is already hand picked and it won't go our way.
Anonymous said...
As of now the city only has money till 2013 for retiries ins. What happens to the 55 yr olds ins who retire in 2013?
7/30/2009 08:12:00 AM
And, what happens in 2013 to the retiree who leaves in 2010 at age 55?
"...Taking a wild guess, I'd say that the contract offer for supervisors has no retro, but forward raises, like the detention aides and dispatchers...I guess we'll see over the next few days"
7/30/2009 08:57:00 AM
Fu*k that! Get the money up front from this prick... "forward raises" can disappear before they show up.
Anonymous said...
"... Lets get rid of FLOP and bring in the teamsters..."
"...We cant do worse!!..."
7/30/2009 09:44:00 AM
Hey genius! Ask the truck drivers that Daley just fired how happy they are with their beloved Outfit/Daley connected Teamsters.
MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the city (You know who) is going to cry poor, how is it that it can afford the Olympics? The contract has to be settled by the Olympic deadline, right? So this makes sense. He wants the contract settled as soon as possible and is forcing arbitration. I bet this arbitrator is already hand picked and it won't go our way.
7/30/2009 10:02:00 PM
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Unless someone can prove this, please stop saying the contract must be settled by some invisible Olympic deadline.
Geez, you fuckers are even dumber than I am. Hand picked arbitrators? No retro? Less holidays? Teamsters? Free health care at 55 and it's a shitty deal that only benefits the City? Demand arbitration prior to even attempting to negotiate? The endless rant of no retiree healthcare in 2013?
Where do you guys come up with this shit?
Only two people commenting here took the initiative to do any research. Thank god there are at least two people here who are almost as smart as I am. Too bad you're not civilians. I'd make you part of my management team.
look at the personel reports we are under 11,000 officers more close to 10,500.if the city is budgeted for 13,500,then obviously we are 3,000 short.Say the average salary(and this is a low estimation) is 60,000.Multiply and you get 180 mil.More than enough to go around.Hopefully F.O.P tells the arb to take that in account
If the contract isn't settled by October no Olympics for Richie. Olympic bylaw states: "a host city may NOT have any open labor disputs at the time of selection". That makes it a wee bit interesting
7/30/2009 05:49:00 PM
IT WILL BE SETTLED OCTOBER 1ST. BANK ON IT. AS BILL THE SCHMOE NOLAN ONCE SAID, "ENJOY YOUR RETRO"
You think Daley gives a shit if police are unhappy? He laughs at that, it doesn't matter to Daley.
THE SAME GUY WHO CRIES CROCODILE TEARS @ POLICEMENS FUNERALS. REPREHENSIBLE IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT
Anonymous said...
This is directly from the last contract, number three states the ability of the government to pay. Shortshanks is going to point to layoffs and furlough days. We're fucked.
7/30/2009 04:11:00 PM
The fact that he laid off people means nothing... What is important is did he HAVE TO do it? I say no.
Is there ACTUALLY money available to pay these employees? I say yes.
Time will tell...
OT...schedule. some people are expressing that they do not want the 4 on 2 off schedule because they won't have a 3 day weekend. that is what time due is for not to mention you won't need it and you will actually get more weekends off! another states that he won't be able to figure out his days off because the rotation goes backwards....are you kidding me! It is the best schedule they are looking at people snap out of it!
7/30/2009 07:32:00 AM
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Okay, so you're on midnights. You're on the four and two schedule. Basically, you get 1 and 1/2 days off, because you're non-functional for half a day, trying to acclimate to 'normal' people's hours on your days off in order to have a semblance of a life.
You NEVER get three days off in a row, so just because you're off more frequently on sat/sun, does not mean you ever see a three day weekend. I couldn't care less about being off on saturdays and sundays (everything's too crowded, anyway), but I sure as hell care about getting three days in a row off without having to burn nine hours to get it.
Bring on the ten hour days, with three and sometimes four days off in a row. Once you drag your rear to work, who cares if you spend an extra hour there, if it buys you one extra day off each week?
The four and two brings more medical roll abuse than the ten hour day schedule. The city is going to ten hour days for everyone. January first is what I'm hearing.
Anonymous said...
why didnt the fop do this arbitration a few years ago the city needs police this summer daley fucked the policeofficers and made them work the summer without the contract fuck fop
7/30/2009 01:30:00 PM
This question keeps getting asked over and over again and answered.
The lodge did not declare an impasse because they needed to continue to negotiate issues that were negotiable. The two biggies were the alternate work schedule and 55 and out.
There has also been many other lesser points that have been agreed to. It did not make sense to pull the trigger on arbitration before.
We got 55 and out and we also have an alternative work schedule pilot program going. Wee also have arbitration dates and an arbitrator picked if the FOP and City cannot agree on how best to implement one or more of the alternate work schedules.
An arbitrator would/could not have given us either of these two major items. The lodge knew many months ago that wages would never be an agreed item but other things could be negotiated, and they were.
And there are some disciplinary issues to be put before an arbitrator.
So now is about the right time to go before an arbitrator. the City declared impasse first in a strategic move. Doesn't really matter. On we go.
who wants to bet if shortshanks gets re-elected he will move to privatize the police department. anyone notice all the private security around lately? he privatized the tollway, traffic control, . . . no telling what he will do.
VOTE HIM OUT
shortshanks can holler impasse all he wants. the clock is ticking and he's starting to sweat... fuck it, just ride it out until October... who says the union has to go along and declare impasse as well?
...not a f(l)op hack
...but not THAT not a f(l)op hack
XD
Bring on the ten hour days, with three and sometimes four days off in a row. Once you drag your rear to work, who cares if you spend an extra hour there, if it buys you one extra day off each week?
The four and two brings more medical roll abuse than the ten hour day schedule. The city is going to ten hour days for everyone. January first is what I'm hearing.
Here lies the problem! 10 hr days! Are you nuts! Its OK if you are in the office but out answering calls will make you insane! its worse than 6 and 2! I told you all a long time ago, 10 hour days basically eliminates a watch and increases everyone's work load! The city will need less police and your chances of getting hurt/injured increase 10 fold! We need more police so you can work 8 hr shifts five days a week! The city and FOP do not want that! That is why you see them creating these insane schedules! Do you really think these schedules were created to make life easier for you?
"He wants the contract settled as soon as possible and is forcing arbitration. I bet this arbitrator is already hand picked and it won't go our way."
Neither side 'hand picks' an arbitrator. They provide a list and each side takes turns and picks off the ones they don't want- the last arbitrator standing is the one that abitrates the contract.
Quit making up stuff!
the 4 2 is the best schedule hands down...think about it. most people in america have to work 5 days to get 2 off....we are working 4 to get 2 off.....if you really need a 3 day break throw a slip in or use a pday or bfday. its awesome....we work 6 days now to get 2 off for almost a month str8 before we get our 3 day weekends. its a no brainer......4 and 2 rules
Bring on the ten hour days, with three and sometimes four days off in a row. Once you drag your rear to work, who cares if you spend an extra hour there, if it buys you one extra day off each week?
Your beloved 10 hour day is going to kill this department(by design of Daley of course) it eliminates the midnight watch, 2 ten hour shifts overlapping, means more work done by less people, he is purposely trying to downsize the department and the 10 hours day is the way he is doing it! get your head out of your ass and look at the big picture, if this really benefitted us he would never give it to us! it benefits the city!
NYPD got a really good deal! We will get Fu*ked. They don't have to live in their city either. No one has balls to bring this residency issue out in the open.
I like my job (most of the time) I just hate living in this city. Too expensive, and the criminal gone wild here.
Arbitration is a win win for Daley. If the arbitrator rules for the city and awards police a minimum or no increase, Daley wins. If the arbitrator awards raises and retro, the City will cite this as a reason to increase taxes and will blame the greedy police in an ecomonic downturn, thus creating more citizen resentment for the police.
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Hey Sap,
In case you haven't stepped out of your squad car lately, the good shitbirds of Chicago loathe us... so f#$@*k your theory of "thus creating more resentment for the police"... I WANT COLD HARD RETRO CASH, and RAISE!!!
? how long will it take for an arbitrator to make a decision
Just a little reminder, Daley setled all the union contracts that mattered months ago before 2016 committee came to town: police and fire have no strike clause and therefore pose no threat to disruption of services which is why it doesn't matter if our contracts are delayed til hell freezes over, I could be wrong on this but perhaps someone could clarify if I am without clubbing me over the head. tks Old School
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