Another Reason for 4 - 2
People have been pointing out more than a few reasons the City is going with a "4 on-2 off" schedule. More checking the "time due" box, more burning of comp time, redeployment of one-seventh of the street force.
Here's why the last one matters most:
Here's why the last one matters most:
After hiring only 46 Chicago Police officers all year, Mayor Daley acknowledged Monday that the slowdown would continue in 2010, dramatically impacting the city's ability to fill 591 police vacancies.
"We will be filling them, but not at a faster rate," the mayor said after announcing unrelated budget moves.
Daley was noncommittal when asked whether Chicago could afford to hire any police officers -- beyond the 80 whose salaries will be paid by federal stimulus funds -- and still honor his promise to hold the line on all taxes, fines and fees.
And even those 80 officers aren't anywhere in sight. The grant stated they had to be hired after 01 July, and at that time, the class of 46 was already in training. The money has an expiration date, so it has to be spent soon or it goes back to Washington. We haven't even heard of a power test being offered.
The next step is shutting down a district or two to alleviate next year's shortages.
The next step is shutting down a district or two to alleviate next year's shortages.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 8:56 AM
137 Comments:
Hows that new outdoor rifle range working out...
LOL SHORT ONLY 591 OFFICERS! What a joke.I am guessing we are short around 4000 give or take a couple hundred
I hope all of us are still happy Daley got it stuck up his a-- by not getting the Olympics. Lay offs in the trades. Lay offs in the CTA. Anybody notice all the construction going in the loop? Wanna bet whats next. Not only no police hiring, wait till as someone else wrote several districts are closed in cost cutting measures. But thats okay, we made sure Daley didn't get his precious legacy. That rainy day fund will be used for back pay and a new contract!!
Detroit
Washington D.C.
Chicago's next.
Speaking of grant money, where is all the grant money the City has gotten over the last five years?
How was it spent? Is there a shell game going on?
Get rid of the district managers. That would save at least a million a year!
Speaking of Hubberman: first the OEMC scandal, then the CTA mismanagement. He was allowed to leap out of those spots just before the scandal hit the papers.
Now he has been moved to the Public School System and his first priority is to start slashing the funding for Special Needs? So from what I gather, we spend millions trying to keep the current felons from killing each other and to afford this we outsource Special Needs to save a few pennies.
Why is Hubberman still employed by the City?
whens the expiration date on the 50 that are to be hired with federal funds and the same for the 30 with cta funds Takes a month to gety them into academy after power tests are scheduled
I bet he can go past the first of the year Daley just received the money so there has to be a long exopiration date maybe 6 to 12 months
SCC,
Hate to say it but 4 x 2's will have the ability to put more officers on the street during peek hours, but will there be enough cars???
Who knows
save on 2 command staff shut down 12 and 23
6 less captains , 14 lieutents ,
25 sergeants and 30 house cats
hire retired police officers to work headquarters security for $20
an hour
just wait until the contract finally happens and a bunch of guys jump ship--- it takes a long time to hire and train someone to be able to sit in a patrol car and handle assignments--- you want to burn some time next year on a weekend in periods 6-9 you better put in the slips now--- 8 to go and it can't come soon enough, when it is my time to exit i will certainly miss the clowns but not the circus......
redeploy the tact and gang from areas of little activity to areas where they can be better used.
the king is looking pretty stressed out and tired.
More money stolen! What happened to the money the govt paid for security CPD by obamas home? daleys pockets as usual??
Bye Bye to the 13th & 21st Districts that will be merged/absorbed by adjoining districts.
This is all a ploy for no raise or Retro!
So i ask you this... How can they justify having all those bodies assigned to the academy when there's practically NOBODY IN THERE!
Can someone find out how many people are assigned to the academy vs how many recruits went through this year. I'll bet it's like 100 to 46. So each recruit essentially has two teachers to himself?
How about putting those officers back in the districts until more recruits come in. I mean, damn, we could really use the help out there.
I think 4&2suck cant wait until all u 5 year vets see that daley wins again.Two days off but wait i got court now down to 1 day off What do u mean I have a new starting time 6pm at night until 3am in the morning i work 3rd watch my starting time should be 3pm.We got nothing in writting just how hard and long it took your F.O.P. to make this deal have fun with ur 4 and 2 cant wait until the crying begins.
Don't know if they can close a district, but disband some units......All the saturation teams, MSF, TRU, etc.
Stupid question:
Maybe Northside knows . .
What kind of schedule was there before 1964?
Looks like the city's gonna make its employees take unpaid days off. This will probably include police and fire down the road. The unions won't fight it, because they'll get a special deal just for them.
The 3rd and 1st watches in 018 love it.
Weekend bond court at CCB has an average of 225 people between men and women. The county thinks they are saving money by having everything at one location.
How many can people can they expect at CCB for bond court,when the contract goes through? Good Luck with the fight for a better contract, Best of Luck!!!
You know damn well that Daley doesn't care that the money was supposed to go to NEW hires. Daley is countint the 46 in the academy and there is a class of 4 which brings the total to fifty NOT eighty. Done deal move on...
There's no "redeployment of one-seventh" of the coppers - they're day off! Under the current schedule 2/7 of the manpower is off every day. Under the 4 and 2 (and 6 and 3) schedule 2/6 of the people are off every day. Hence, less coppers working everyday! Brilliant move by the city.
What people need to start doing is not volunteer for all of the Special Employment for about 3 months straight!! (CTA, CHA, Safe City)..Close down special for a few months..let's say SUMMER 2010, and they will have to hire more officers. I would be willing to not do my days in June July and August...Hell just do it in June with the Taste and 3rd of July.
Fuck you Daley!!!!
I'd give a left Nut to sit for a Police Exam this year or next.
OT: whats the word on
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-traffic-dispute-trial-08-oct08,0,7958829.story
OT-Cal City FOP Lodge #1 is going to informationally picket the city hall meeting on 22-Oct. They are meeting at Memeorial Park located at 600 Wentworth, (corner of Wentworth and Memorial), at 6:00pm.
Anybody who can make it would be appreciated. All police, IMO, are being treated like shit. We are no exception.
the mayor said "we will be filling them (openings), but not at a faster rate"
huh?
I'll go to a 4-2 schedule. Off 4 days and maybe work 2 if I have any energy after listening to Daley's bullshit. We'd be better off if a chimpanzee were voted in as mayor and Sheep for the city council.
The question to ask is what is being done with the budgeted money for the vacant sworn positions?
The money is allocated every year for full staffing. Any spots that are vacant at the end of the fiscal year, the money goes back into the General Revenue Fund.
Hello, news media!!! Where is the money? If it ain't being used to hire and pay police officers, then where is it going and what is it being spent on?????
Took the power test today and heard that they may hire in November once shortshanks has money in hand. Apparently O'Bama has promised the money but has yet to deliver.
The fact that our Mayor is skimping on select safety concerns regarding police officers themselves and we the public, just shows you that we should be outraged and we all should unite on a selected date to show our feelings as one. People think the million man march was something, wait until they see the numbers at this march. Maybe then City Hall will feel our pain and give us more than a bandaid. I can't imagine what is more important than the life of someone no matter who you are. Shut down the entire city for all I care but give us the protection that WE DESERVE!!!!
Total speculation, but I'm guessing J-Fed announces the new district boundaries ( oh yes, they're coming ) leaves office and Juan Rivera is your new supe in order to "restore faith" in both the Department and the Public. It will be pointed out that Rivera is the only head of IAD to actually gain favor with with the boots on the streets, as well as the community.
Besides, it's time for a Hispanic again, right? Daley could finish the job though and make Aunt Bea...God help us all!
Like accomplice Juan LUNA before him, a jury has just sentenced James DEGORSKI to life in prison.
WTF!!! If they brought back the electric chair, gas chamber or hanging, kill the cold-blooded murderers of seven innocent people.
Since lethal injection is such a pussy form of execution, maybe life without the possibility of parole is best.
Rot 'til they carry you out in boxes, muthafuckers!
Fry 'em, gas 'em or hang 'em. The needle is an act of mercy for beloved pets dying in pain.
Short 591 officers? Interesting conversation I overheard recently...An E.T. had the task of going and picking up paychecks. While making conversation, the E.T. asked how many checks get cut each pay period for the police. The answer......9,800 total. That includes those on medical, disability, light-duty, etc. Short 4,000 is more of a better answer.
i see nothing wrong with disbanding, GEU, MSF, TRU, midnight tact teams, gun teams and SAT. that's basically 4 districts right there.
4 & 2!!
Am I missing something. Not that I am saying that it should not happen, but how will closing districts free up people, except for house cats and shit. There will still be the same number of calls, same number of idiot citizens, same number of streets. Does someone think that by closing, say 21, mean that the area covered by 21 will no longer be policed? Is it going to disappear or something? There will be less numbers of beats, but the remaining beats in the reconfigured districts will get bigger or something. I am confused. As usual.
4 on, 2 off? Good luck trying to get time due next summer, newbies. Might as well use it this Febuary, when it's 10 below zero outside, cause you aint gettin none after May 1 st. Dream about those 3 day weekends for about a decade...
TO: I am guessing we are short around 4000 give or take a couple hundred
You are truly dillusional
We as a department need to help Mayor Daley with his budget issues. Allow me to offer some suggestions. Money can be saved in several units. Let’s start with the DOC. Enough with those fucking “ZERO TOLERENCE” bulletins. Doe Commander (Should be Lieutenant) Caluris really think the officers that work in the effected districts don’t know about the gang issues in their districts. Give me a break Demote him already.
Next, Commander Ruth Wedster we as a department continue to create command spots for her (Academy, R&D) and for what reason. I’ll tell you; Clout!!
Can someone please tell me what the fuck is up with the Detective Division? How many people do we need in charge over there to suspend these fucking cases.
Can someone tell me what the difference is between C.A.P.S and Preventive Programs? That scan has been going on for much too long. Please sign me up for some of the bullshit. Either get rid of those command spots or get rid of Beth Ford and Phillip Hampton.
Mike Masters!! Need I say more.
It is definitely time to trim the fat in this department.
Stupid question:
Maybe Northside knows . .
What kind of schedule was there before 1964?
10/20/2009 12:21:00 PM
OPEN DRAWER POLICY
So at the expense of the City and to accommodate his honor, we pick a schedule the City wants? I don't mind the 4-2 schedule, but it sounds like were doing the City a favor here after all the crap they have done to us.
save on 2 command staff shut down 12 and 23
6 less captains , 14 lieutents ,
25 sergeants and 30 house cats
hire retired police officers to work headquarters security for $20
an hour.
You can not run a police force like a corporation. You do not fill positions at headquarters with civilians. This is exactly what the City wants. You don't close districts, you have the city man them.
To the young man who took the power test today--- some advice. Dont quit your job until you start the academy.....meaning take some sick days or use vacation time after the academy has started. Have heard too many instances where guys show up for academy and they get sent home. No job with city and you just lost the job you quit.....not a good situation.
46 NEW HIRES WILL COUNT TO THE MAGICAL 50 NUMBER AND THE OTHER 4 WILL COME WITH OFFICER WHO WERE WRONGFULLY TERMINATED AND A COURT ORDER STATES THEY WILL BE RE-HIRED.
THE CITY WILL KEEP THIS PACE OF NO HIRE B-CUZ OF US.
OFFICERS NOT GENERATING CASE REPORTS
DICK CLOSING MULTIPLE CASE ON SHAKY GROUND
WATCH COMMANDER DOCTORING UP THE ATTENDANCE SHEETS COMMITTING FRAUD.
RECLASSIFYING PART 1 CRIMES TO BULLSHIT CRIMES NOT TRACKED.
IT WILL HIT US IN THE ASS WHEN MORE OFFICERS ARE ATTACKED OFF DUTY IN THEIR ALLEYS....
STAY STRAPPED ALWAYS
Anonymous said...
I think 4&2suck cant wait until all u 5 year vets see that daley wins again.Two days off but wait i got court now down to 1 day off What do u mean I have a new starting time 6pm at night until 3am in the morning i work 3rd watch my starting time should be 3pm.We got nothing in writting just how hard and long it took your F.O.P. to make this deal have fun with ur 4 and 2 cant wait until the crying begins.
10/20/2009 12:00:00 PM
Hey Sherlock Holmes, if I'm not mistaken 6-2 with court on one RDO leaves one day off. With the three day weekends coming round every 6th week the gain is worth the pain.
Or, go get a job at 7-11, then no court, other then when you're needed to testify as a victim.
redeploy the tact and gang from areas of little activity to areas where they can be better used.
10/20/2009 11:01:00 AM
Give us your address, a-hole, we'll move the tact teams from there ASAP; I'd love to see YOUR garage get burglarized while YOUR tact team is sitting in some shithole, instead of working where YOU live. Just keep voting democratic and giving up what you are paying taxes for......Dumbass.
Am I missing something. Not that I am saying that it should not happen, but how will closing districts free up people, except for house cats and shit. There will still be the same number of calls, same number of idiot citizens, same number of streets. Does someone think that by closing, say 21, mean that the area covered by 21 will no longer be policed? Is it going to disappear or something? There will be less numbers of beats, but the remaining beats in the reconfigured districts will get bigger or something. I am confused. As usual.
10/20/2009 05:53:00 PM
excellent point, but the obvious answer is it's just another bullshit ploy to make it seem like a problem is being fixed. There's only one way to fix this issue, more boots on the ground. That's the ONLY solution.
This city has become a circus fun house with all the smoke and mirrors...
Short 591 officers? Interesting conversation I overheard recently...An E.T. had the task of going and picking up paychecks. While making conversation, the E.T. asked how many checks get cut each pay period for the police. The answer......9,800 total. That includes those on medical, disability, light-duty, etc. Short 4,000 is more of a better answer.
10/20/2009 05:47:00 PM
So you are telling me that the slugs assigned to the mail room, where checks are picked up, actually counted the number given?
Thanks for playing...
No doubt we are short, but the real reason is the drain on the District's started with TRU, then MSF and finally NAGIS. How many have been taken from the District's in the last 5 years? How many Dic's detailed out to "spots"? Combine that with the lack of new hires and the "do more with less" corporate mentality currently in place and we are screwed!
Don't know if they can close a district, but disband some units......All the saturation teams, MSF, TRU, etc.
10/20/2009 12:08:00 PM
I agree somewhat...They should disband the Sat teams and TRU. Both are useless. TRU was useless when SOS was around and still is to this day. You do need to have a city wide unit though, so keep MSF. Take the 100 most productive workers from MSF and TRU and combine them into one unit and get rid of the dog asses and send them back to the districts. That should free up a couple hundred.
how does the fucking fire department get to hire 300 this year???
You know what, everybody needs to take a chill pill. I've been the police for 27 years, and coppers were always cynical, skeptical, and pragmatic. Not necessarily bad attributes. But, we have now become like the rest of this whinning country. There are pros and cons to everything, such as the new schedule. For 27 years I have heard the exasperated cries to get rid of the 6 day work week. Now all the crying about the things wrong with it. My God, the whole worl operates on give and take. What the fuck do you want...4 dyas on, 3 days off, and a 6 hour day??!! The police used to be tough, worked shit hours, rotated every 4 weeks, and did probably the toughest job in society. Now there are a bunch of punks (most definitely amplified by the completely clueless and incompetent leaders in this department), bitching about an hour here or there, and losing three day weekends. WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! You get a break from the dregs of society every 4 days instead of every 6. That is a plus no matter how you cut it...boo hoo, you lose a day or two of furlo. Start being THE police again. The bad ass mother fuckers, who were tougher than any other segment of society, instead of a bunch of pussies.
And for the record. I am not referring to the legitimate gripe for a contract with fair raises. I am talking about crying about a new schedule that is obviously better for your long term mental health. Complain about the political bullshit - in assignments-, the pathectic bosses, the inadequate equipment, the shortage of manpower, and the complete asshole of a mayor, and a long list of real beefs.
But stop crying about something you've been asking to get for years, while the rest of the country is losing jobs, and losing their homes. You are going to get the deserved reputation as a bunch of spoiled brats.
Beef about justifiable things, NOT EVERYTHING, and toughen up a little, like the police were 20 years ago!!!
save on 2 command staff shut down 12 and 23
6 less captains , 14 lieutents ,
25 sergeants and 30 house cats
hire retired police officers to work headquarters security for $20an hour
How does this save? Those sworn members won't leave, they'll still be on the payroll. But to rehire reitred officers makes sense. They need the $$
Even though we are short, rest assured, there are plenty of officers willing to run around like chickens without their heads being proactive. Plus, they work in the busy district while districts like 016, 017, 019, 008, 020, etc... they get screwed.
Don't forget we have approximately 150 retirements in the next 6 months!!!!
Anonymous said...
the mayor said "we will be filling them (openings), but not at a faster rate"
huh?
10/20/2009 04:03:00 PM
He means hiring will not be at a faster rate than the current already slowed down rate. In plain English, hiring will slow down even more. He only hired 46 in 2009 so how much slower can it get?
It was brought up at the FOP meeting today that Daley increased the budget for his own office by 7%. No doubt that is for more bodyguards because there is less love for him than there was yesterday. Or more hatred, either way.
That's like Daley's recent tax "rebate" whereby he didn't raise taxes as much as some expected therefore "rebating" the amount not raised.
Also like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer because it feels so good when you stop.
In Daleyspeak the police department increased by hundreds because hundreds were expected to retire but didn't, hence an increase in daley's pea brain.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can someone find out how many people are assigned to the academy vs how many recruits went through this year. I'll bet it's like 100 to 46. So each recruit essentially has two teachers to himself?
How about putting those officers back in the districts until more recruits come in. I mean, damn, we could really use the help out there.
10/20/2009 12:00:00 PM
Let me explain to you what we do in the academy. We don't just sit around teaching new recruits. We also make lesson plans for the whole department. We write training manuals for the entire department. We do in service training for officers. We offer valuable classes for officers.
Many officers in this department thing we have it made working in the academy. If it were only that easy. Sure we have perks (Monday through Friday, weekends off, all major holidays off, etc...) but there are minuses too. Perhaps people like you should apply for a position in the academy? Then you will know that we don't just sit on our butts all day long doing nothing.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What people need to start doing is not volunteer for all of the Special Employment for about 3 months straight!! (CTA, CHA, Safe City)..Close down special for a few months..let's say SUMMER 2010, and they will have to hire more officers. I would be willing to not do my days in June July and August...Hell just do it in June with the Taste and 3rd of July.
Fuck you Daley!!!!
10/20/2009 02:39:00 PM
I agree with you 100% brother. But our weakness is that we all don't stick together. For the love of God, how awesome would be? How powerful would we all be if WE ALL STOOD TOGETHER.
OT ----Cook property taxes will be 4.2% higher next year.
WTF?!?!
They can't even realign the beats let alone close a district.
wanna save money, eliminate the 1st appearance at traffic court. all the attorneys do is put people in a line and see who wants to plead guilty. if the people want a trial let them come back and then you can have the officer present.
most officers hate going to traffic court anyway.
hope all of us are still happy Daley got it stuck up his a-- by not getting the Olympics. Lay offs in the trades. Lay offs in the CTA. Anybody notice all the construction going in the loop? Wanna bet whats next. Not only no police hiring, wait till as someone else wrote several districts are closed in cost cutting measures. But thats okay, we made sure Daley didn't get his precious legacy. That rainy day fund will be used for back pay and a new contract!!
Detroit
Washington D.C.
Chicago's next.
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You make it sound as though we're now getting our comeuppance for not being on board with the olympics. I don't see how a 2 week party which enriches a few at the cost of burdening future Chicagoans would help the police Dept. I guess your smart enough to see "The Big Picture" that has eluded the rest of us.
save on 2 command staff shut down 12 and 23
6 less captains , 14 lieutents ,
25 sergeants and 30 house cats
hire retired police officers to work headquarters security for $20
an hour
Closing districts doesn't mean people get demoted or fired goof.
redeploy the tact and gang from areas of little activity to areas where they can be better used
Another goof, already done.
close 2 districts means a merge in manpower...the beat cops stay the same because the beats still exist but 2 less commanders, 6 les captains, less lts, less sgts...fewer cops inside, tact/gang teams shrink too...
it adds up pretty quickly
Can't you see that with all these mobile districts (msf,tru,sat teams etc..) they think that there is no need to fully man the districts.
When a problem area erupts, they send in the mobile district and they do what they do.
The district guys job is to simply manage the backlog.
Heard a boss saying that he does not care about backlogs, just want numbers.
It all depends on your boss, and dc's only have a 5 year life anyway so just wait it out if its bad.
The brass puts the mobile units in an area,they get numbers,bosses job done.
Boys and girls I just want you to know that when you join these mobile districts that you are weakening the strength of this department. These units are what is keeping our numbers down. The main reason for the gang enforcement unit was to have a city wide tact team that is basically plain clothes tru and they didnt have enough volunteers to do it.
Anytime the city sees a way to hurt us they take it. The whole thing with not being tied down to the radio,no domestics,blah blah blah...that is how you learned to be the POLICE. Different situations,thinking on your feet,learning the gift of gab,gaining neighborhood contacts,knowing the nosy busybody who always has some good info and gaining a reputation that strengthens you and the department.
Do what makes you happy but also remember that you give up contractual rights when you go to these units, that is what is really hurting our numbers.
Why can't this asshole mayor tap into his reserves of the skyway money and the parking meter crap?
Stupid question:
Maybe Northside knows . .
What kind of schedule was there before 1964?
10/20/2009 12:21:00 PM
The 6 & 2 schedule, with 2-3day week-ends every 6 weeks. And you switched watches every period. And then they changed your day off group when your week-ends were coming up. And you got a 28 day furlo. No option to split. You got a scheduled baby furlo. But after all that, your comp time balance was zeroed out. No OT pay.
Wonder why they had to kick these guys off the job back then? Early retirement? Practically unheard of.
I think 4&2suck cant wait until all u 5 year vets see that daley wins again.Two days off but wait i got court now down to 1 day off What do u mean I have a new starting time 6pm at night until 3am in the morning i work 3rd watch my starting time should be 3pm.We got nothing in writting just how hard and long it took your F.O.P. to make this deal have fun with ur 4 and 2 cant wait until the crying begins.\
idiot you are already getting two off and if you work u already spend one day in court.and guess what most districts are already working a 6pm start time on weekdays as well as weekends
What people need to start doing is not volunteer for all of the Special Employment for about 3 months straight!! (CTA, CHA, Safe City)..Close down special for a few months..let's say SUMMER 2010, and they will have to hire more officers. I would be willing to not do my days in June July and August...Hell just do it in June with the Taste and 3rd of July.
Fuck you Daley!!!!
10/20/2009 02:39:00 PM
another f-cking genius is talking. youre probably single and still living at mamas so have no need for a second income. do me a favor, shut the hell up FRANCIS.
Funny SCC how the mayor cries poor over and over again. Two days ago while patrolling the lovely Westside my partner and I watched as about 10 or so guys working for a landscaping company planted trees around Polk and Sacramento just a half block or so from Manley H.S. Then today as I drove past the academy there were another 10 or so guys doing the landscaping of the academy. I understand the grass has to be cut but these guys were blowin and pickin up leaves, putting new mulch around the bases of the trees.... But were broke right Daley.....
FU!!
How bout telling the landscaping companies to take a hike and have a few of your illegal al... errr ummm undocumented citizens come do a little in return for their living in our sanctuary city.
There is a lot of stuff here our FOP could work with. They should be taking out ads in all the papers. Yes even the Reader. They should let the citizens of this city know just how understaffed their police dept. is.
They should be on talk radio. All the local stations. All the public hears about is our big salary and pensions.
Get rid of 40 aldercreatures and their slush/discretionary funds, hire 50% of the work force at OEMC (dispatchers) from retired coppers at a fraction of the salaries being wasted, get rid of all these bullshit study groups-wasted money, stop all funding to cease fire, caps, and any other bullshit, made up, not for profit--all for profit--ghetto game shows. And most importantly, stop stealing OUR money!
Anonymous said...
Am I missing something. Not that I am saying that it should not happen, but how will closing districts free up people, except for house cats and shit. There will still be the same number of calls, same number of idiot citizens, same number of streets. Does someone think that by closing, say 21, mean that the area covered by 21 will no longer be policed? Is it going to disappear or something? There will be less numbers of beats, but the remaining beats in the reconfigured districts will get bigger or something. I am confused. As usual.
10/20/2009 05:53:00 PM
Closing 021 will mean that the commander and his staff will be eliminated along with the physical building and costs associated with operating a 50 year old police station. The officers will become part of the 001st district and maybe part of the 002nd district. A 911 call from there will still bring a police car.
013 will likely be divided up between 014 and 012 and maybe part of 018.
Closing those two will save the costs of running two antique police buildings heat, electric, the commander and inside staff. The officers will still be on the payroll.
Would likely save $4 million, at least, a year.
Anonymous said...
Short 591 officers? Interesting conversation I overheard recently...An E.T. had the task of going and picking up paychecks. While making conversation, the E.T. asked how many checks get cut each pay period for the police. The answer......9,800 total. That includes those on medical, disability, light-duty, etc. Short 4,000 is more of a better answer.
10/20/2009 05:47:00 PM
At FOP meeting today the numbers of dues paying FOP members were announced, as they are each FOP meeting.
Active sworn below the rank of Sgt, around 11,500, Sgt's around 350, disabled, 250, retired around 5,400. These are rough but close by memory only.
Add around 1,100 Sgts and 300 Lt's and Captains and you have a total sworn strength of approximately 12,900 give or take. So, 600 or so short is likely accurate.
There are about 600-800 on various forms of light duty and 350 or so on medical on any given day. Around 1,100-1,250 physically unable to perform.
4,000 short is simply not a good number, it isn't that short. 600 would be about right.
05:50 is correct.
The real number they're down is about 700. That 9800 number you hear is POs. Doesn't count white shirts, dicks, etc....
All of the units you mentioned are where the bodies are. This was a simple trick that Cline learned from New York.
You redeploy police instead of redrawing district boundaries. Revruns were appeased and worker bees/taxpayers in decent areas didn't know they got spun.
The city lerned its lesson from the 1992 Booz Allen Hamilton Study when they floated the idea of closing 10-12 districts. The worker bees/taxpayers got really, really pissed.
Times have changed and SCC is correct, they will get away with closing 2 districts next year, 013 and 021 because of the shit economy and the fact that the taxpayers are tapped out.
63 or Bust!
....now my final crusade on this job can be working to obtain the:
"80% and all the blunt I can smoke" benefit.
Lobby your local pol, make the dream a reality!
think 4&2suck cant wait until all u 5 year vets see that daley wins again.Two days off but wait i got court now down to 1 day off What do u mean I have a new starting time 6pm at night until 3am in the morning i work 3rd watch my starting time should be 3pm.We got nothing in writting just how hard and long it took your F.O.P. to make this deal have fun with ur 4 and 2 cant wait until the crying begins.
10/20/2009 12:00:00 PM
old timers would cry if Jesus Christ himself came down adnd offered us a contract!!! You BITCH about 6 day work weeks, you BITCH about 4 day work weeks, you will BITCH unless Daley says "here is a paycheck, dont worry about coming to work" ... oh wait... THATS CALLED A PENSION AND YOU BITCH ABOUT THAT!!! Retire already!!! 4-2 is gonna happen... fuck you if you bitch about it!
Total speculation, but I'm guessing J-Fed announces the new district boundaries ( oh yes, they're coming ) leaves office and Juan Rivera is your new supe in order to "restore faith" in both the Department and the Public. It will be pointed out that Rivera is the only head of IAD to actually gain favor with with the boots on the streets, as well as the community.
Besides, it's time for a Hispanic again, right? Daley could finish the job though and make Aunt Bea...God help us all!
10/20/2009 05:36:00 PM
The Department can go in two very different directions when the current Superintendent goes. The Mayor can put another empty suit in and watch what's left of the Department implode. The Mayor may, on the other hand, realize the huge mistake he has made with Jody. He could put in a Police Officer that is well liked and well respected.
I am sure you will find detractors for both, but Tom Byrne or Juan Rivera would be a good choice Mr. Mayor. Good decent men, smart, hard working and well respected. Just what you need Mr. Mayor. Oh yeah, if you do the Lambert Tree guy, see the first choice. They ruined him with the rank and file with that gift.
To confused as usual. Closing the Districts reduces one Exempt, three Captains, a couple of Lts., AND all of the civilian positions, not to mention the inside sworn personnel. It also reduces facility maintenance. There is a huge cost savings in this, but it bears the cost of pissing off a lot of citizens. If you expand Beat sizes, then additional savings MIGHT be realized in reducing the # of Sgts and P.O.'s, though, as you pointed out, the areas would still have to be covered, and this might not "save" anything.
And BTW, there is no way the 21st closes until, just maybe, the 2nd District crime rates fall even further through the floor. This has been talked about for all of my years, but unless the U of C teleports to another location, it will remain this way. The U of C gets to consider the crime reported in the 21st District for its campus safety, and not that of the 2nd or 3rd Dists...it's not likely to ever happen.
OT: was at the star ceremony today.. RIP Officer Valedez. Thanks
4 & 2 was also agreed upon because it will cause you to burn up more of your earned Comp Time. Especially for those of you who like your 3 day weekends. When you're ready to retire, you'll have less time on the books.
Just an old Greham copper says: 12:21 PM the police schedule in 1964 was 7 on 1 off
Anonymous said...
Hows that new outdoor rifle range working out...
10/20/2009 09:08:00 AM
The Jodymeister also said a new police campus would be built that would include new ranges, a new academy and all sorts of neat state of the art police stuff. he said this because daley showed him a whiz bang architect's model of the proposed new facility.
Jody had no experience in being lied to by daley. He does now however. I wonder when exactly Jody realized he was in a great big pile of shit with masters and daley looking over his shoulder constantly. There had to be a huge Oh Shit! moment.
Anonymous said...
save on 2 command staff shut down 12 and 23
6 less captains , 14 lieutents ,
25 sergeants and 30 house cats
hire retired police officers to work headquarters security for $20
an hour
Closing districts doesn't mean people get demoted or fired goof.
10/20/2009 08:35:00 PM
They would save on two commanders, the commander's staff, CAPS office and some supervisors. Since the districts that absorbed them would be larger the PO's and Sgt's and some Lt's would still be needed. Someone has to drive the beat cars and supervise, you can't simply put extra beat cars out there without more supervisors.
Those two buildings are old and expensive to maintain and heat etc. And besides, Michael Marchese probably wants to buy them both for a buck each.
Short 591 officers? Interesting conversation I overheard recently...An E.T. had the task of going and picking up paychecks. While making conversation, the E.T. asked how many checks get cut each pay period for the police. The answer......9,800 total. That includes those on medical, disability, light-duty, etc. Short 4,000 is more of a better answer.
10/20/2009 05:47:00 PM
Then the E.T. told you the secret way Garth beamed Cassandra's demo tape to Mr. Big's limousine which resulted in her getting a recording contract and realizing that Wayne is the man for her and that she should dump Benjamin.
EXCELLENT!
Why is Hubberman still employed by the City?
Because he knows something about Daley, that non of us know
Let me explain to you what we do in the academy. We don't just sit around teaching new recruits. We also make lesson plans for the whole department. We write training manuals for the entire department. We do in service training for officers. We offer valuable classes for officers.
Many officers in this department thing we have it made working in the academy. If it were only that easy. Sure we have perks (Monday through Friday, weekends off, all major holidays off, etc...) but there are minuses too. Perhaps people like you should apply for a position in the academy? Then you will know that we don't just sit on our butts all day long doing nothing.
10/20/2009 07:52:00 PM
Do you get shot at? Do you fight in alleys? Do you work midnights and stay up to go to court in the morning and go back to work on 2 hours of sleep? Do you run the risk of being sued for doing anything proactive? Do you work in below zero weather? Do you have days off cancelled or your hours changed to work a detail? Are you pressured for arrests, movers, parkers, contact cards, impounds, event numbers? If you've done all of this and more with plenty of time on the job; congrats, you've earned your spot and survived the street. If not, shut your mouth and quit bitching about putting together FUCKING LESSON PLANS AND TRAINING MANUALS WITH EVERY GODDAMN WEEKEND OFF!!!!!!!!
021st District is a goner if they close districts. It will be divided up among three districts I've been told by a good source. 001st will get the northern end of 21, 009th will get the small western edge of 021 that's west of the Dan Ryan, and the 002nd will get the bulk of the old 021st District. This is a huge IF because closing districts causes citizens, aldermen, and universities( U of C) to howl.
Do you all really believe that the FOP and City Hall want us to have better working conditions? Their experts have crunched the numbers and they win! Quit thinking that anything they approve will be a cake walk! And quit with the "4-2 rocks" shit! Bunch of chumps is what you are! What they really want all of you to do is quit cashing your 6&4 BFDs PDs and use them! That is the only way you will get any weekends! Duhhhhhhh! There goes that fat check every year!
Why is Hubberman still employed by the City?
10/20/2009 09:53:00 AM
BECAUSE THE MAYOR SLEEPS WELL KNOWING RON'S IN CHARGE. THAT'S A DIRECT QUOTE. WHICH IN ITSELF SPEAKS VOLUMES...
"Closing 021 will mean that the commander and his staff...
Closing those two will save the costs of running two antique police buildings heat, electric, the commander and inside staff. The officers will still be on the payroll.
Would likely save $4 million, at least, a year.
10/20/2009 10:04:00 PM
AAAhhhaaa, aaahhhaaa, aaaahhhh. That was some funny, funny shit! Do you think, I mean really think the Dept is just going to go "Poof" to 2 commanders? Seriously? My money is that they get moved to some spot that gets created. "Commander of R&D" type shit.
"Two days off but wait i got court now down to 1 day off"
THEN DON'T LOCK PEOPLE UP OR WRITE TRAFFIC CITATIONS DICKHEAD!!
CAME ON IN 1989. THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CLOSING 13 & 21 SINCE THEN. ALSO REDRAWING THE DISTRICT & BEAT BOUNDARIES. TAKE A LOOK AT A CITYWIDE BEAT MAP FROM 1989, EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT IS IN 2009. IMAGINE THAT???
Just an old Greham copper says: 12:21 PM the police schedule in 1964 was 7 on 1 off
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If thats true, Thank THE lORD for the union, last two administrations excepted.
Many officers in this department thing we have it made working in the academy. If it were only that easy. Sure we have perks (Monday through Friday, weekends off, all major holidays off, etc...) but there are minuses too. Perhaps people like you should apply for a position in the academy? Then you will know that we don't just sit on our butts all day long doing nothing.
Listen if you didnt have it made there you wouldnt have used a phone call to get there. So save it. ANd yeah put in an app to get there. And if that doesnt work put your app to get into JTTF or fugitive task force. All phone call spots so get real.
Short 591 officers? Interesting conversation I overheard recently...An E.T. had the task of going and picking up paychecks. While making conversation, the E.T. asked how many checks get cut each pay period for the police. The answer......9,800 total. That includes those on medical, disability, light-duty, etc. Short 4,000 is more of a better answer.
10/20/2009 05:47:00 PM
Good lord! Gods knows we are short but that story has been around for more than 5 years...You want to know how many people are on the job? Ask FOP how many dues paying members below the rank of sergeant. The disability and retiree numbers are separated, There are 1200 plus sergeants, appx 225 lts and about 65 cpts.
The 9800 checks has been circulating for well over 5 years. And no I don't buy the department's bullshit that we are short only 591.
I agree somewhat...They should disband the Sat teams and TRU. Both are useless. TRU was useless when SOS was around and still is to this day. You do need to have a city wide unit though, so keep MSF. Take the 100 most productive workers from MSF and TRU and combine them into one unit and get rid of the dog asses and send them back to the districts. That should free up a couple hundred.
10/20/2009 07:37:00 PM
So how are things working out for you at MSF?
Anonymous said...
Let me explain to you what we do in the academy. We don't just sit around teaching new recruits. We also make lesson plans for the whole department. We write training manuals for the entire department. We do in service training for officers. We offer valuable classes for officers.
Many officers in this department thing we have it made working in the academy. If it were only that easy. Sure we have perks (Monday through Friday, weekends off, all major holidays off, etc...) but there are minuses too. Perhaps people like you should apply for a position in the academy? Then you will know that we don't just sit on our butts all day long doing nothing.
10/20/2009 07:52:00 PM
Do you get shot at? Do you fight in alleys? Do you work midnights and stay up to go to court in the morning and go back to work on 2 hours of sleep? Do you run the risk of being sued for doing anything proactive? Do you work in below zero weather? Do you have days off cancelled or your hours changed to work a detail? Are you pressured for arrests, movers, parkers, contact cards, impounds, event numbers? If you've done all of this and more with plenty of time on the job; congrats, you've earned your spot and survived the street. If not, shut your mouth and quit bitching about putting together FUCKING LESSON PLANS AND TRAINING MANUALS WITH EVERY GODDAMN WEEKEND OFF!!!!!!!!
10/20/2009 11:58:00 PM
Awesome f*cking reply! My thoughts exactly.
And to add this: I've been back to the academy one single time in the past 5 years for camara training and that's it. I'm a beat cop and would love to go for extra training or law refreshers, but guess what, i've got to man my beat. So who the hell are all these people in "the field" that you are doing all this work for? And what are you doing exactly b/c i can tell you nobody in my district on my watch is benefiting one single bit from all the work you're doing in your cozy little building.
And put in a resume to get to the academy? Are you f*cking kidding me? What are you smoking? That's a f*cking monster phone call to get in there. So do us all a favor and don't treat us like we're five. We know the game.
So you are telling me that the slugs assigned to the mail room, where checks are picked up, actually counted the number given?
Thanks for playing...
No doubt we are short, but the real reason is the drain on the District's started with TRU, then MSF and finally NAGIS. How many have been taken from the District's in the last 5 years? How many Dic's detailed out to "spots"? Combine that with the lack of new hires and the "do more with less" corporate mentality currently in place and we are screwed!
10/20/2009 07:29:00 PM
NAGIS?????? How many years u got on son? NAGIS has been around for more than five years dummy. Stop talking before you say something else stupod.
save on 2 command staff shut down 12 and 23
6 less captains , 14 lieutents ,
25 sergeants and 30 house cats
hire retired police officers to work headquarters security for $20
an hour
012 and 023 are not closing, period. 023 has broken ground on a new station already. 012 is waaaay too political, with Pilsen, UIC, Greektown and Taylor St. it isn't going anywhere. The odds on choices, should they choose to close districts would be 013 and 021. 013 could close tomorrow and be absorbed by 012 and 014 without batting an eye; the same for 021;001, 002 and 003 would absorb it no problem ,ithout any interference in service. Closing stations may save on maintenance on buildings but they aren't firing Commanders and Captainsthey will plug them in where needed, and obviously, the Lts and Sgts. will be moved to a neighboring district, thus ending the need to hire more for awhile.
The best idea would be to first end the sat, gun, psn, midnight gang teams, area mission teams, CAGE teams, and then look to NAGIS for the return of the gang guys, they never should have left in the first place; once done and people returned to districts, its time for dead wood in narcotics, there are plenty of people there that need to go. Last but not least, TRU and MSF, they should be down-sized and merged into one unit, they do the same thing, I don't care what they say... those moves alone would free up a good 500bodies easily for the Patrol Division.
Sorry for the rant...
Let me explain to you what we do in the academy blah,blah, blah...
10/20/2009 07:52:00 PM
We've all been to the academy and see what you ALL do there. Don't insult the working officers out there telling everyone how hard you work. Just consider yourself lucky and keep it at that.
Walmart could manage this deparatment better than the staff we have now.
Plus, they work in the busy district while districts like 016, 017, 019, 008, 020, etc... they get screwed
008 isn't busy??? You northsiders need to get a clue. 008 is one of the busiest districts in the city. There are no quiet districts on the southside. Even 022 is in the top eight for murders and shootings.. It's all you northside districts that are quiet.
Anonymous said...
What people need to start doing is not volunteer for all of the Special Employment for about 3 months straight!! (CTA, CHA, Safe City)..Close down special for a few months..let's say SUMMER 2010, and they will have to hire more officers. I would be willing to not do my days in June July and August...Hell just do it in June with the Taste and 3rd of July.
Fuck you Daley!!!!
10/20/2009 02:39:00 PM
You really do not understand. Two officers will never agree to anything. Officers fight for the right to work any and all over time. Nevr will happen. Wait until the contract is settled and there is no or a very small retro check. Watch the pressure on overtime.
Anonymous said...
Just an old Greham copper says: 12:21 PM the police schedule in 1964 was 7 on 1 off
10/20/2009 11:19:00 PM
And in 1964 no one wanted a day off! Life was very, very different back then. Who you kidding. The open drawer policy.
Many officers in this department thing we have it made working in the academy. If it were only that easy. Sure we have perks (Monday through Friday, weekends off, all major holidays off, etc...) but there are minuses too. Perhaps people like you should apply for a position in the academy? Then you will know that we don't just sit on our butts all day long doing nothing.
10/20/2009 07:52:00 PM
Please tell me where can I apply? Do I need a resume or qualifications? I have two years on, just off probation and need to find a spot. I heard from others that there are several officers with two years on working at the academy? Is that true? I am not a female but will answer phones, type and run errands. I am sure that only the most qualified are selected after a extensive and thorough screening process. Please officer, tell me what it takes to be a instructor? Or a full duty secretary? I have the right stuff!
Don't have to shut down districts SCC, just eat Daley's shit and accept no raise for the last 2 years and the next 3 on top of that.
Daley doesn't want to make it look like he's trying to fuck the police in front of the arbiter, so he refrains from mentioning our name directly as his thorn. So he dishes out little bullshit stories of we're so broke at the expense of the police and fire for the arbiter show.
This shit will all go away after the aribter rules. Unless of course he rules in our favor on raises, then the show will continue as Daley will refuse to honor the ruling.
You're getting sidetracked by the dog and pony show SCC, this is just the largest antipolice contract show he's ever put on, nothing more.
Stay focused on WHY these games are being played now because six months after the ruling you'll never hear about this shit again.
Don't know if they can close a district, but disband some units......All the saturation teams, MSF, TRU, etc.
10/20/2009 12:08:00 PM
I agree somewhat...They should disband the Sat teams and TRU. Both are useless. TRU was useless when SOS was around and still is to this day. You do need to have a city wide unit though, so keep MSF. Take the 100 most productive workers from MSF and TRU and combine them into one unit and get rid of the dog asses and send them back to the districts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Not sure about other areas, but the ones in our area are all over the place and do help out the districts a lot..more so than the district tact teams...
Anonymous said...
Let me explain to you what we do in the academy. We don't just sit around teaching new recruits. We also make lesson plans for the whole department. We write training manuals for the entire department. We do in service training for officers. We offer valuable classes for officers.
Many officers in this department thing we have it made working in the academy. If it were only that easy. Sure we have perks (Monday through Friday, weekends off, all major holidays off, etc...) but there are minuses too. Perhaps people like you should apply for a position in the academy? Then you will know that we don't just sit on our butts all day long doing nothing.
10/20/2009 07:52:00 PM
Do you get shot at? Do you fight in alleys? Do you work midnights and stay up to go to court in the morning and go back to work on 2 hours of sleep? Do you run the risk of being sued for doing anything proactive? Do you work in below zero weather? Do you have days off cancelled or your hours changed to work a detail? Are you pressured for arrests, movers, parkers, contact cards, impounds, event numbers? If you've done all of this and more with plenty of time on the job; congrats, you've earned your spot and survived the street. If not, shut your mouth and quit bitching about putting together FUCKING LESSON PLANS AND TRAINING MANUALS WITH EVERY GODDAMN WEEKEND OFF!!!!!!!!
10/20/2009 11:58:00 PM
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I read the first posters comment and there was no "bitching" just responding to a previous post. And yes most of them (Not all I'll admit) did all of what you describe above and some even more. Most of them will go back to doing all of what you described because most people do not retire out of the Academy. And yes you can get sued at the Academy over bad lesson plans and teaching. Yes hours can be changed to work a detail outside in zero degrees weather. Yes you have to show that you are working on a project or lesson plan when you are not teaching.
I just want the city to have a police test already so I can get name on the list. I sick of testing with all these suburban police departments were were they hire one or two officers every year.
So now that we have this 4-2 schedule coming up, I am finding myself thinking "man, I wish it was January cuz today would be my Friday." But, I still have 2 more to go....BRING ON THE CHANGE!!!!
Anonymous said...
Let me explain to you what we do in the academy. We don't just sit around teaching new recruits. We also make lesson plans for the whole department. We write training manuals for the entire department. We do in service training for officers. We offer valuable classes for officers.
Many officers in this department thing we have it made working in the academy. If it were only that easy. Sure we have perks (Monday through Friday, weekends off, all major holidays off, etc...) but there are minuses too. Perhaps people like you should apply for a position in the academy? Then you will know that we don't just sit on our butts all day long doing nothing.
You are also the same people responsible for giving us these scared shakey ppos that are afraid to put hands on people and be the police because you instill this fear of getting sued,fired and put in prison in them. teach them to be the police dammit!! I need a cop next to me not some liberal lawsuit terrified college goof second guessing MY probable cause, its sickening!!!!!
I read the first posters comment and there was no "bitching" just responding to a previous post. And yes most of them (Not all I'll admit) did all of what you describe above and some even more. Most of them will go back to doing all of what you described because most people do not retire out of the Academy. And yes you can get sued at the Academy over bad lesson plans and teaching. Yes hours can be changed to work a detail outside in zero degrees weather. Yes you have to show that you are working on a project or lesson plan when you are not teaching.
10/21/2009 07:28:00 AM
A lawsuit over a bad lesson plan?!!! Listen Poindexter, I would never bother with these kind of posts, but you are delusional. You get sent out in zero degree weather once in a blue moon? We live it every day. I am sure a lot of the staff there are good P.O.s, but you are not one of them.
Post this crap in front of real P.O.s will you? You are a secretary with a gun, and that is all you ever will be on this job. Now get back to your lesson plan, you don't want to screw up and end up in Federal Court.
What about OSHA? If P.O. gets off at 0300am and has court at 0900am, gets home by 0400am, immediately goes to sleep, he has to get us at 0730am to get ready and leave home by 0800am to be at court by 0900am. That's 3.5 hrs of sleep. This has to be some type of OSHA violation.
"Even though we are short, rest assured, there are plenty of officers willing to run around like chickens without their heads being proactive. Plus, they work in the busy district while districts like 016, 017, 019, 008, 020, etc... they get screwed."
How the hell did 008 get get put in with those dist? 008 is the busiest dist in the city. We get the most calls for service and are one of the leading dist for arrests....get a clue brother!
23 will never close. They are 1/2 done with building a new station you geniuses! Also, with Boystown, the lakefront rich with their bosts in the harbors and Wrigley Field do you really think that place will close? It's the 2nd busiest District in Area 3 (I know, heroes, that doesn't say much to you).
Closing stations doesn't help. If you look at only crime reduction the biggest problem we have is that we don't enough Districts. No District should be large than 5 sq miles at the most. What we do have is a top-heavy dept that needs to be pared down: 3 Dep Chiefs in the Det Div? Two Chiefs in Patrol not inlcuding Dugan's spot? Chiefs in Counter Terrorism, IAD, etc?
I agree with the guys who say pare down the specialized units: Sat, Gun, midnight tact, MSF, TRU - put those people back into the Districts and hold the Cmdrs responsible for getting the job done.
NYPD, LAPD, they've had the same problems as us and never closed a station. But they did reorganize and reduce their command staffs, shedding the dead wood.
Be safe all.
I'd give a left Nut to sit for a Police Exam this year or next.
the genius, go to theblueline.com and pick a municipality to test for. Go to the burbs..! you have to be nuts to take this fucking job in shitcago..! 2years left then out the door. This isnt your daddys CPD anymore, hasnt been in years.
Anonymous said...
Let me explain to you what we do in the academy blah,blah, blah...
10/20/2009 07:52:00 PM
We've all been to the academy and see what you ALL do there. Don't insult the working officers out there telling everyone how hard you work. Just consider yourself lucky and keep it at that.
Walmart could manage this deparatment better than the staff we have now.
10/21/2009 03:40:00 AM
Be a walmart/academy greeter!
First of all Jr......I came through the academy more than 16 years ago....you had REAL instructors then...not 5 year wonders teaching what they don't know...The kids today...and yes they are kids....have no practical street experience whatsoever....back when I came through...you had guys who went to war...fought for their lives literally...They could teach you something.....survival....Bob Kushner....Dennis Mertz....Talk about scenarios??!! Bruce Lipman....Gus Tero (God rest his soul) Danny Treveno.....and the officer who's name escapes me at the moment who taught case reporting in the basement....REALLY kenw his shit!!! You had gym instructors who were REAL gym instructors....they would teach you how to WIN and survive....remember welecome to the gym??? I puked twice!! How about the wall....do you kids still have to climb the wall?? Not that it was a big challenge but mabye in the toned down world of the academy.....one doesn't have to do that any more?? We didn't have full Redman suits to wear in gym.....like you guys wear....we were lucky to have headgear...and That's it!!! You would get your ass kicked...literally....I remember Bob Frost would always use me for an example no matter how much I tried to keep my head down....Gus would run you up and down the stairs till you puked ....literally!!! then to the basement for his famous pushups till your arms fell off!!! Jim Marsh would give a class with a stun gun on his stomach.....Out of his mind!! LOL....All in All....the academy is certainly NOT what it used to be....it much more warm and fuzzy these days....The kids teaching there have no real street experience with the exception of a few....very few....They certainly can't compare to the academy of old...."back sir"
But stop crying about something you've been asking to get for years, while the rest of the country is losing jobs, and losing their homes. You are going to get the deserved reputation as a bunch of spoiled brats.
Beef about justifiable things, NOT EVERYTHING, and toughen up a little, like the police were 20 years ago!!!
10/20/2009 07:40:00 PM
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I have to agree with much of what you wrote, but this job is nothing like it was 20 years ago, so asking PO's to go out and act like it was 20 years ago is ludicrous.
Much of the anger, resentment, and out-right distrust is grounded in fact. It's not whinning.
Never before on this job has the individual officer taken on as much personal risk as they do today. ANY OFFICER could be on the front page of the Scumtimes tommorrow. Any officer could lose personal money on any arrest they made today. Any officer could have their reputation tarnished and even be criminally charged simply because the TV news chose to broadcast one of their mistakes.
The fact that we have jobs and are being paid does not justify this fucked up state we find ourselves in. The call to keep cashing paychecks and simply eat the shit this city doles out is bad advice. The state we find ourselves in is wrong.
I took this job, I agreed to do this job, and I put my personal financial security into its pension. But, I didn't sign up for the nonsense where we are the criminals and the criminals have somehow become victims THAT I HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO. It is total bullshit. We are being treated unjustly and I will adjust my actions accordingly regardless if this city goes to shit as a result.
Call me a whiner, but when this city proposes any change to my job, I'm going to be suspicious. I have plenty of reasons to distrust my employer.
What happened to the PAX 501 which stated 200 hires and promotions to be made in 2009. Only half the promotions made and no detectives. How does the fire dept. continue to hire recruits several times a year?
When I came on, we changed every 28 days, lost all time on the books at the end of your furlough, were not payed for overtime and had a minimum retirement age of 58 years of age. No union, no grievance rights, only 6 months medical max. But, in retrospect, the department seemed like a more human and understanding place to work. I could be wrong, because time does dull the senses, but from what I read on this blog, no one seems to care about doing a good job anymore. Just a lot of whining. People do not stick together, just a lot of whining. If someone disagrees with you on this blog, you can expect to be cussed at and insulted. It is just not the right thing to do.
look at voting records/statistics for neighborhoods within any district, and you might get a clue of what district (s) could be closed. DO NOT expect to see 023rd closing anytime soon. DO you have any idea who lives there??? look at the real estate listings/prices.
you have very POWERFUL people living there too-PRITZKERS, HUBERMANS, TUNNEYS, EMMANUELS, CAREYS, HEFNERS, and the powerful business community. 023rd also has one of the largest concentrations of judges living within the city limits. if you guys think that distric (023) will be closing, just go take a look at the construction on addison(between the current district and wrigley field). by the way, the multi-level parking lot is due to be open in december.
Why not have every PO with under 5 yrs put back onto the streets ? If you can't bid to a particular watch, you work what you can bid for. Send all the detailed POs back to their unit of assignment.
How simple
We have 4 and 2's in Cicero, and we love it. The week goes by real fast. Now the geniuses in our town want to change it to 10 hour days. The problem is the 4 and 2 (8hr days) are in our contract. I would strongly recommend having your union fight for 4 and 2's. I remember 6 and 2's. I would not be able to handle that work week again.......Stay safe my brothers
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Just an old Greham copper says: 12:21 PM the police schedule in 1964 was 7 on 1 off
10/20/2009 11:19:00 PM
And in 1964 no one wanted a day off! Life was very, very different back then. Who you kidding. The open drawer policy.
10/21/2009 05:39:00 AM
Open drawer policy was in the station if you wanted something. On the street it was called profit sharing.
Anonymous said...
I read the first posters comment and there was no "bitching" just responding to a previous post. And yes most of them (Not all I'll admit) did all of what you describe above and some even more. Most of them will go back to doing all of what you described because most people do not retire out of the Academy. And yes you can get sued at the Academy over bad lesson plans and teaching. Yes hours can be changed to work a detail outside in zero degrees weather. Yes you have to show that you are working on a project or lesson plan when you are not teaching.
10/21/2009 07:28:00 AM
A lawsuit over a bad lesson plan?!!! Listen Poindexter, I would never bother with these kind of posts, but you are delusional. You get sent out in zero degree weather once in a blue moon? We live it every day. I am sure a lot of the staff there are good P.O.s, but you are not one of them.
Post this crap in front of real P.O.s will you? You are a secretary with a gun, and that is all you ever will be on this job. Now get back to your lesson plan, you don't want to screw up and end up in Federal Court.
10/21/2009 09:29:00 AM
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Just because you don't believe you cant get sued does not mean its true. The post never said that the Academy goes out every day. By the way where do you work where its zero everyday? And this crap was posted to real POs, I'm just sorry a bitter whiner like you had to respond.
Just an old Gresham Copper says: To 07:59:00. I am sorry if I offended you in any way by simply answering a query about what the DOG's were in 1964. If you read the question, it simply asked that, and I answered it, 7 On 1 Off, how was I trying to kid you?
Anonymous said...
First of all Jr......I came through the academy more than 16 years ago....you had REAL instructors then...not 5 year wonders teaching what they don't know...The kids today...and yes they are kids....have no practical street experience whatsoever....back when I came through...you had guys who went to war...fought for their lives literally...They could teach you something.....survival....Bob Kushner....Dennis Mertz....Talk about scenarios??!! Bruce Lipman....Gus Tero (God rest his soul) Danny Treveno.....and the officer who's name escapes me at the moment who taught case reporting in the basement....REALLY kenw his shit!!! You had gym instructors who were REAL gym instructors....they would teach you how to WIN and ....
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Now 16 years ago is "back in the day?"
I cam through that academy 25 years ago and we definitely had 5 year wonders giving us the benefit of their 4 years of street experience and one year in the training academy. We had some of the names you would mention. I also remember one Frank Bielfeldt who would tell certain 5 year wonders to shut the fuck up when appropriate, in class, to the silent applause of those of us who thought these 5 year wonders were full of shit.
The guy who taught case reporting when I was there was Willie Ware who claimed he could still "pee a steady stream in a swinging jug." Damn that 25 years went by quickly, just like they said it would. It is these last few years that are going by slowly.
Esposito was the case reporting instructor when I was there 16 years ago (think that is who are talking about)...Good guy, knew his shit...
"What was that officer, what was that, umm NO, not even close" still laugh when I think about his class, kept it fun but damn you learned
Just because you don't believe you cant get sued does not mean its true. The post never said that the Academy goes out every day. By the way where do you work where its zero everyday? And this crap was posted to real POs, I'm just sorry a bitter whiner like you had to respond.
10/21/2009 10:00:00 PM
Weather changes every day outisde. Inside the weather is the same and you never face danger. I would respect a veteran who had real street experience and then became a instructor.
Check out this article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ut_four_day_workweek
Mr. Superintendent , hire retired officers to work caps office , tact secretary , review office in the district stations for 4 hours a day 4 days a week
that's about all the work you get from inside officers
it would put over 200 police on the street
First of all Jr......I came through the academy more than 16 years ago....you had REAL instructors then...not 5 year wonders teaching what they don't know...
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I came through 16 years ago and the academy was a silly, stupid waste of time.
The only thing that's changed is the amount of ratting that recruits do to each other and their instructors. Other than that, I'll bet it's pretty much the same waste of time today as it was 16 years ago.
"CAME ON IN 1989. THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CLOSING 13 & 21 SINCE THEN. ALSO REDRAWING THE DISTRICT & BEAT BOUNDARIES. TAKE A LOOK AT A CITYWIDE BEAT MAP FROM 1989, EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT IS IN 2009. IMAGINE THAT???
10/21/2009 12:10:00 AM"
Wrong. The 001st District had their boundaries changed about 5 years ago to include the fabulous Harold Ickes Homes.
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